1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 2: It's a special episode of the Almost Famous podcast. 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 3: Ashley and myself are back. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: From an amazing weekend in the mountains. We have so 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 2: many stories to talk about and break down about the wedding. 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Most of those are gonna occur in a podcast that 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: we're recording with two other people who were at this wedding, 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Tanya and Becca, and they have some great stories as well. 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: But Ashley and I have some personal things to figure out. 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to try to tell a little story here 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: and then we'll get into headlines today and as I said, 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: with deep dive into the wedding here in the next episode. 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: But there's two stories that kind of happen that don't 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: really give the details of the wedding. Leading up to 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: this wedding, I had told Ashley. Ashley, it gets really 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: cold at night in Colorado, like right now, it's down. 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's amazing how cold it gets. It's beautiful 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: during the day, free at night. We were in the mountains. 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,639 Speaker 2: We won't get the location until the next episode. Well, 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: I tell her this and then I don't know. Twenty 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: four hours later, I'm on a text stard with like 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: four girls. 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 4: No, we were already on the textrad though. 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: They're they're freaking out on me, like oh my gosh, 26 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: are we going to die? 27 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: And I'm like no. 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: And then I started feeling guilty, like I think I've 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: ruined Dean and Kiln's wedding and I've like given it 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: a bad name. But I was serious when I was like, 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: I love Ashley, and I love Ashley like a sister 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: to me, and I would not want a sibling of 33 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: mine to go to the mountains unprepared, and there were 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: people there unprepared. 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 4: You prepared me. I took two good coats and I 36 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: was not cold. I was never really. 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: Cold, but you would have been. 38 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: But you freaked me out thinking that there was like 39 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: going to be what one You know that I was 40 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 4: freaked out because like I wasn't going to be able 41 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: to talk to Dawson, which I was because we were 42 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 4: in a special little area with why. 43 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: But again I wasn't exactly wrong saying if you aren't 44 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: in the main cabin, their Wi Fi is limited. So 45 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna share this. So I'm on this thread, and 46 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I get like these girls worrying 47 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 2: how cold it is. They're freaking out, and I'm like, hey, 48 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: it is going to be cold. I'm glad you've all 49 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: asked prepare yourselves, but Jess, can I bring blankets? Then 50 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: at one point I think somebody asked me or I 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: just do it because I'm a jerk. They're like, what, 52 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: let's just say somebody asked, like, what kind. 53 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 4: Of see Yeah, because somebody is afraid of bears? Why 54 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 4: are we keeping them anonymous? 55 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: Because we're going to talk to him next episode? And 56 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: here's how the story goes down. They ask what kind 57 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: of animals we're going to see? I take a screenshot 58 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: of the place that we're staying, like warnings for what 59 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: animals will be around and after bears because there are 60 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: bears there. It says they love a good tasty treat. 61 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: The response that when I send this picture was this 62 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: person said, am I a good tasty treat? And I'm like, 63 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: you know what, at this point in my life, I 64 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: want to have a little fun with this. So I said, 65 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: you're only a tasty treat if you've had sweets or 66 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 2: a Snickers bar within the last five days, then bears 67 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: love you. 68 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 4: You were being particularly particular because he said, you said 69 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 4: a Snickers bar. So I was like, oh, maybe there's 70 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: something about the nuts and caramel. 71 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: Oh, it was panic on that text thread. Panic panic. 72 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: So that's one story we'll share more. The other side 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: is I didn't get to say goodbye to Ashley. We 74 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: won't talk about this next episode, and I don't know why, 75 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: because we came down for brunch the next morning and 76 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: I specifically asked, where's Ashley and Jared? 77 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: I really want to see them before I leave. 78 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: And we waited around, we had brunch, and then we 79 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: left because you weren't there. 80 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, because my flight was at nine. 81 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: That's what I was wondering. 82 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: Because then on the way home, Jessica goes, oh, Ashley 83 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: and Jared are already on a flight, and I said, 84 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: I didn't know their flight was so early. 85 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to leave at six thirty. 86 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: It was poor planning on our part. 87 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: Oh, so that's why you irish goodbye because you planned 88 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 4: on saying us the next day. And not that I 89 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: don't care, I was making but I was like making 90 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: fun of you because I was like, Ben got too drunk. 91 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: And he so I I had. I had two cocktails 92 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: on the wedding night. Oh wow, I did not have 93 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: to get put to bed like some No, I get 94 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: you know this about me. Yeah, I get really socially exhausted. 95 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: And at one point I was in a conversation with 96 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: well because I go, go, go, and then all of 97 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: a sudden, I was in a conversation with somebody that 98 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: I really like, and I realized that like I wasn't listening, 99 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: I wasn't engaged, I was tired, and so I just 100 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: told Jess, hey, you don't have to but like I know, 101 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: my best self is gone now, like it's not coming 102 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: back tonight and so nice. Instead of staying here and 103 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: like fighting this, I had such a blast that I 104 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 2: want to leave with a good memory of this wedding 105 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: and not the fact that like I stayed up way 106 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: later and I should have and I ended up being 107 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: a jerk to somebody. 108 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: Oh I really respect that, because I feel like a 109 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 4: lot of us get to that social exhaustion point, especially 110 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 4: one you know, like the wedding is over a six 111 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 4: hour but then you feel like it's rude to leave 112 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 4: when you feel socially spent. 113 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: I learned it from George Costanza. You leave on top 114 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: when you leave at the peak of a party. 115 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: My mom always says that. 116 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, because for me, I wasn't trying to disrespecting and Kaylin, 117 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to like we had given like it 118 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: was all weekend. It was one hundred percent of our weekend. Yeah, 119 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: you know, we're around each other. And I thought my 120 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: best self would be offered to them if like I 121 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 2: was still my best self. Now, that might be selfish 122 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: and you could probably argue to some selfishness and that. 123 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: But I went back and it was it was nine thirty, 124 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: like and the way you know we had Yeah, so 125 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: and I had a big night the night before. 126 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: Well, so I kind of switched I when we were 127 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 4: going to play games the night before on Friday night. Yeah, 128 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 4: Jared and I had already planned. We're like, oh, around nine, 129 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: we'll go to bed, but then like gay a game 130 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: started at nine, and I was like, oh, no, I'm 131 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 4: going to lose myself. So we're like, okay, find the 132 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 4: one game and then we gotta go up there because 133 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 4: if we don't go retreat from this, then we'll be 134 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: too spend for the next day. So we totally understand 135 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: the balance and what my It's interesting that you say 136 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 4: that you leave the party at peak, because my mom 137 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 4: always taught me you have to like design your party 138 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 4: to like you leave when you're having you want them 139 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: to leave when they're having fun. So like whether the 140 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: party like ends like an hour before, that's how That's 141 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: how I felt like we were with our wedding where 142 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 4: it was like I. 143 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: Had a blast, and I will leave. 144 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: I left the wedding and I woke up the next 145 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: day and I was like, that was one of the 146 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: most incredible. 147 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: Weddings I've ever been to. 148 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if I would have stayed another hour and 149 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: a half, I think I would have woken up the 150 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: next morning but like, I'm exhausted. That was a great wedding, 151 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: but I'm so tired. But I didn't feel that way. 152 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: Well, I love that social lesson that you just taught us. 153 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 2: All. Yeah, it's just something I found out about myself 154 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: that you know when it's time, and it was time 155 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: for me. 156 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: I gave it my all. 157 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: We walked into the cabin that night and I said, Jessica, 158 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 2: I gave it my all tonight. I had a blast, 159 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: but I gave my all and my all is now gone. 160 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 4: I have this Instagram reel that I'm going to post 161 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: of you. It's like my work husband when he goes 162 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: to wattings basically, and you'll see peek Ben Higgins and 163 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: you'll see how much he exerted. 164 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: I gave it a lot. 165 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: Actually, final question before we get in the headlines, speaking 166 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: of work spouses. I wondered this in a drive home. 167 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: I was talking to Jess about this. 168 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 3: You and I. 169 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny like at the wedding, I think 170 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: we both made the joke. We talk to each other 171 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: every week, multiple times. We see each other in person 172 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: very rarely. But if there's if there's five people in 173 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: my life that I know I think the most about 174 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: what's currently going on in their life, it's you. Like 175 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: you fall in that category because there's not a lot 176 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: that like slip through the cracks with us. We just 177 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: talk about stuff and we talk about it all the time. Yeah, 178 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: and so when you see me at a wedding, and 179 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: obviously we have a special relationship one that like I 180 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: could probably embarrass you, you could probably embarrass me, But 181 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: we're also very endearing towards each other. 182 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: Are you proud of me? 183 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: Yeah? Always? 184 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: Okay, good, I just want I'm proud of you. 185 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: I was proud of my Gosh, I'm always proud of you. 186 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: It would be embarrassing if you're like, yeah, but like 187 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: he's my codes but he kind of sucks and like just. 188 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: Obligated. 189 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 4: I'm always so in hout of you. 190 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: Okay, good, Well, it was a lot of fun. We 191 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: have a lot to talk about like that. I know 192 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: that feels like we just talked about a lot of 193 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: the wedding we did it, Like there's so much more 194 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: to break down and like amazing stories and memories and becon. 195 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: Tanya will be coming on this podcast, uh to record 196 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: a separate episode where we go to the details of 197 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: Dean and Kielan's wedding and. 198 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: We'll just tease it with this. 199 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: Uh. For me, it was one of the most special 200 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: weekends I've had in my memory, just with people I 201 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: love in one place together. 202 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I there's another wedding coming up that I 203 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 4: feel like a couple of the same people will be 204 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 4: real niged soon and it makes it made me feel 205 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: good because I was having such a good time there. 206 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, I hope that we can like 207 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: kind of have this round all over again in a 208 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 4: couple of weeks. 209 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we will, but just different, just different. 210 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll going to Deana Caaln's wedding again. We 211 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: got a very special episode for you. We are just 212 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: on the heels of it. I mean, we just got 213 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: home late last night from the wedding and so we 214 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: are tired, but we are fresh with our memories. We 215 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,239 Speaker 2: do some big headlines to break down. 216 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 4: Today's big, big, big big imagination. 217 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: Some follow ups from past headlines, and here's one of them. 218 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: Bachelor Nations Becca Koufrem gives birth to first baby with 219 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: Thomas Jacobs. 220 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: Yay, we don't. We haven't seen the kid yet, but 221 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 4: it happened, assuming it probably happened Secember twenty first and 222 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 4: twenty second. People were speculating because both of their instagrams 223 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: I got silent for two days and we haven't yees, 224 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: so we haven't seen the baby. But what they did 225 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: post was a cute picture of their front step. It 226 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: says there's a sign that says baby sleeping, Please don't 227 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: ruin this for us, and then there's another hanging that 228 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: that's what the Matt says, which I'm like, hold on, 229 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 4: I need to get one of those because there's so 230 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 4: many times like the FedEx guy Amazon ips like ring 231 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: the bell during the nap time and I'm just like, 232 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 4: don't ron this for me. And then there's another sign 233 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 4: that they had that goes baby sleeping. So then they 234 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 4: both posted that, and then Thomas wrote on into stories 235 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: soaking in all the love and snuggles for the time being, 236 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 4: but we have a new little pumpkin. Thankful, blessed and 237 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 4: beyond words, and like she she shared that as well. 238 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a I mean, there's gonna be so much 239 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: more we talk about when it comes to this new 240 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: life into the world. But I mean we both are 241 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: so pumped for them because you know, I know Beca 242 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: very well. I don't know Thomas as well, but like 243 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: I know Beca well enough to see her transition in 244 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: life and how happy she is and how confident she is, 245 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: and how just excited I am to now have this 246 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: new life in the world because of them. 247 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 4: Yeah. So, actually, at the time of this recording, right now, 248 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 4: at two pm Eastern time, they posted a picture and 249 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 4: revealed the name of their baby. It is Benson Lee 250 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 4: Jacob's kufriin oh Di do we know this? So they 251 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: were gonna do Jacob's Kufriin. I feel like I did 252 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: hear this, So they're putting her last name as like 253 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 4: the last last name Benson Lee. Jacob's Kufrein very cute 254 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 4: and he was born on September twenty first. It's gonna 255 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 4: be Benny for short. And ben Jsin is after the 256 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 4: town where Becca's dad was born and raised. That's so sweet. 257 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 4: And Lee is for Thomas's father who sacrifices so much 258 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: for this country and others. And obviously, she says, Jacobs 259 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 4: Kouferin is pretty self explainable, but we wanted both parts 260 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: of us to make this little one hole. 261 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: Can't wait till that kid gets called bean, like I do, 262 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: little Bean, a little bean well. 263 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 4: Being author really cute pictures of them. He was born 264 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: at seven forty five am on September twenty first, and 265 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 4: he was eight pounds twenty one inches. He's we could 266 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: barely see his face and the pictures it was so cute. 267 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 4: Another Bachelor in Paradise. 268 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: Baby, a lot of them. 269 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: You talk. 270 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: You talked about babies a lot this weekend, Like I 271 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: feel like like the resident Yeah, you're the resident parents 272 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: now of Bachelor Nation. 273 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: It's really weird the way that conversation divides. Now when 274 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 4: you have a group of millennials together that like the 275 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: parents are always like, so, what stage you were in? 276 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 4: And there are so many people Okay, so many. We 277 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 4: were one of three couples that all had children within 278 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 4: the same week of each other. Mm hmm is that great? 279 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 4: Everybody talks about babies, and I do like talking about 280 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 4: it with you guys, because I'd like to imagine you 281 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 4: as parents, and we do like to I guess, like 282 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: kind of prepare because I think we Jared and I 283 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 4: like realistically prepare people. Yeah, but like a scary way, 284 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: I hope. 285 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: No, like a real way, a way that I always 286 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: imagine parenting was gonna be. But like nobody's really willing 287 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: to tell you it unless they feel comfortable enough with 288 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: you and that they know you enough where you're not 289 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: going to like panic out or get angry at them 290 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: for being like, you know, no, it's great. Okay, weird 291 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: transition here. I guess I know where you're going with this. Yeah, 292 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: I don't even know how to transition, but I think parenting. Yeah, 293 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: Bachelor along Clayton Eckerd. Now, we we did highlight this 294 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: on the on The Rachel. 295 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 4: Actually, I don't think the Rachel episodes out yet because 296 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 4: we're saving that for Closer to Paradise, which is later 297 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 4: this week. But you guys will get Rachel's insight because 298 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 4: it was very much breaking news the day that we 299 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 4: were interviewing Rachel. 300 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: It was it was breaking news of me too, which. 301 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 4: Made it even more fun. So here's the sitch. Clayton 302 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 4: is in the midst of like a paternity debate, well 303 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: a lawsuit, and it was filed in August, and it 304 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 4: was filed by an expected mother who's actually expecting twins, 305 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: and she's demanding a paternity test from Clayton. She's supposedly 306 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: a thirty three year old podcast host from Scottsdale, Arizona, 307 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: and doesn't he live in Scottsdale She wishes, even though 308 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 4: she's a podcast so she wishes to remain anonymous. In 309 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: the lawsuit, she claims that they engage in sexual activity 310 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 4: on May twentieth in a one night stand. He talks 311 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 4: to her as if it was somebody not safe, not 312 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 4: a one night stand, but some of the he actually 313 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: very much does not like who he knows and does 314 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: not like, So she's dealing with these twins in February, 315 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 4: and he has seemingly been putting off the paternity test, 316 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 4: but now has agreed to it. So he posted on 317 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 4: his Instagram story on Thursday. 318 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: Let's pause here for a second, actually, because I think 319 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: when they listened to the episode with Rachel, it was 320 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: breaking news at the time. I was surprised, you were 321 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: surprised Rachel was reacting to it in the way that 322 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: you expect somebody as close to the situation as Rachel 323 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: to react like she's obviously wishing every party the best 324 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: case scenario here, whatever that means, and the truth to 325 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: come out like that the truth is told, and that 326 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: everybody's responsible for the truth that is highlighted in the shown. 327 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: You and I, I think our reaction that I thought 328 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: about a lot this week was this whole situation feels odd. 329 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: It's obviously shocking news or or news that we haven't 330 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: really ever. 331 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: Had to break before on the show. 332 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we said, Okay, if Clayton is standing firm 333 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: in the fact that these are not his kids, right 334 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: because she's pregnant twins, Yeah, then why wouldn't he get 335 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: the paternity test? That was our response to this was 336 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: nothing makes sense. On his side unless he gets a 337 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: paternity test. Now, yeah, that was before we knew that 338 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: he has now gotten a paternity test. So I just 339 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: want to make that clear that the timeline of this, 340 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: he's going to feel weird, Mark because at the time 341 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: we're like, he's still refusing or she's saying he's refusing 342 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: to get in, but now we're sharing no, he has 343 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: gotten one because he posted on social media. 344 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: And we're gonna still want to air the interview the 345 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: way it was conducted because it's just more interesting like 346 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 4: that to get the real raw reaction and into at 347 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 4: the time have this breaking news where he wasn't going 348 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 4: to get the petity test, so he got it on 349 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 4: or he posted that he got it on Thursday. He 350 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 4: had to pay seven hundred and twenty five dollars for it, 351 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: and no clude. 352 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: How much they cost it. 353 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I thought the initial interview, like the initial filing, 354 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: that she was going to pay for it. But then 355 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 4: maybe I'm totally wrong. He shared an email I believe 356 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: between her and him saying thanks for the call. My 357 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 4: confusion has been cleared up. I will take my portion 358 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 4: of the test on September twenty seventh, So maybe The 359 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 4: bottom line here is it's all cryptic, honestly, But by 360 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 4: the end of September, both sides because she has to obviously, 361 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: I guess Take one two will be the tests will 362 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 4: be taken, and then the first week of October the 363 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 4: results will come back. Yeah, and so yeah, that's what 364 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: we got. But do you guys, I think I need 365 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 4: to reread the quotes that he has been sending her. 366 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 4: And now, yes, there's screenshots between the two, and you 367 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 4: can fake screenshots very easily. But this is supposedly what 368 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 4: Clayton is saying to this pregnant woman. I don't believe 369 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 4: you for a second. I legitimately hate you right now. 370 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 4: You have lost your mind. And I hope you think 371 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 4: about how terrible this is that you would suggest me 372 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 4: to subject me to this. My person, this is my 373 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 4: personal hell. My personal hell would be having to be 374 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 4: part you being part of my life. 375 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: Now that's me. 376 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: The rest I hate you, that's mean too, But the 377 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: rest I can see where he'd be stressed out, like 378 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: if this is not true. Okay, so there's obviously two 379 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: scenarios here. Either he is the father or he's not 380 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: the father. If he is not the father, I can 381 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: see where he'd be like, you understand how terrible this 382 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: is for me, Like it's stressful. He's obviously very anxious 383 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: about it. He's saying some very mean things to her 384 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: in the midst of this. But we don't know enough 385 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 2: about the story to know if he's just literally like, 386 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: please stop like harassing. 387 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: Now. If he is the father, he is the father. 388 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: In this scenario, then he really needs to step up responsibility. 389 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 2: He needs to apologize for the things that he said. 390 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 4: We have more, we have another more here, yeah, that 391 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 4: she has posted on Reddit herself, and in the Reddit post, 392 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 4: she claims that he told her these children if they 393 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 4: are mine, if they are mine, I would like you 394 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: to get an abortion or I or if you decide 395 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 4: to have them, I will have no part of their lives. 396 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: Oh goodness, Now anybody could claim to be anyone on Reddit. 397 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, so if we don't know who 398 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 2: she is, if she's anonymous, based on this whole thing, 399 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: how do we know that was her saying this? 400 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: We don't, which is this is like total hearsay. 401 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm telling you right now, right this story only 402 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: becomes I think a story when we know the final 403 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 2: results because right now we don't know he's claiming one thing, 404 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: she's claiming another. It was all so weird until he 405 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: decided to get the paternity test. Now that that's happened, 406 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: I think we can actually like have a real journalistic 407 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: story with a start and a conclusion and truth added 408 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 2: into it, because right now it feels messy from both sides. 409 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: If he is saying these things like, shame on him. 410 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: If if that's the stuff he's doing now, if he 411 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 2: is the father needs to step up, and or he. 412 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 4: Doesn't want to. He said I don't want to and 413 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 4: oh supposedly and this is a very unverified quote. Yeah, 414 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 4: so yes, we are just gossiping at this point. 415 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 3: So when will we know the results? 416 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 4: We will know the results the first week of October, 417 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 4: or at least they'll be in by then. 418 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: I I uh, yeah, I mean, I just I think 419 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: this is a story that we need to to really 420 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: pause on until we know how this plays out, because 421 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: then I think it illuminates once we know the truth 422 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: both sides, and it really shows us, Okay, who has 423 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: who has walked through this thing with truth, and who 424 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: has walked through this thing just because they made a 425 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: really bad mistake, who's lying, who's not, Like, we just 426 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: don't know right now. All we know And I think 427 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: if we concluded this story is this is messy right 428 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: now and there's so much yet unknown. And I think Clayton, 429 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: by his social media posts by saying yeah, the truth 430 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 2: will set you free or something like that, I remember, 431 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: you know. 432 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: With these pictures. 433 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: I think he thought that everybody's gonna be like, oh, yeah, 434 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 2: he can't be the father because he's getting a paternity test. 435 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: I don't think it did what he thought it was 436 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: going to do. I think people are still waiting on 437 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: the results. 438 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 4: To play Maury Povich right now. Ben, what do you 439 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 4: think the praternity test is going to say? 440 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a good question. I have no idea. 441 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 2: I cannot answer it. 442 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: Answer for I can't. I can't Mary. 443 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: I I have a feeling he's a single dude. Like 444 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: my My thought would be it plays into the fact 445 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: that he is involved in this more than he thinks 446 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 2: he is. 447 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 4: Okay, so he's also claiming that he only had oral 448 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: sex with her. 449 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: That's not how you make kids. 450 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 4: Just to make kids, how you make kids. So if 451 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 4: I had to get if I had to bet my 452 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 4: morey call is that he's not the father, because why 453 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: would he even lie and say it was just oral? 454 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 4: Why would he even lie and say that. 455 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, because then it's like we. 456 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: Caught him in a total lie, Like now he has 457 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 4: the night totally not remembered correctly. 458 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: This is just this is one of the This will 459 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: go down as a top ten most confusing headline that 460 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: we've had to share in the last you know, seven 461 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: or eight years of the show, because there's just so 462 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: much left unknown and it can and like, either way, 463 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: it's gonna be bad, right, Like if he is the father, 464 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: he's not. 465 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: Looking better after this whole thing in any way. 466 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: See, I think if he's not, then I think it's like, hey, 467 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: who is this? 468 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 4: Like oh he's not the father, then it's just like 469 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 4: why would she do this? But no, but then like 470 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 4: she like spoke to a woman like this, But again, 471 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 4: screenshots also are so unreliable, like you can change anybody's 472 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: name in your phone and you can text yourself that. 473 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 2: There's just so much we don't know, but we will 474 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 2: have more will continue to follow this story. It's obviously 475 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: very popular on social media and a lot of people 476 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: are sending their their thoughts on it, and I think 477 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: that's that's what happens when you have a big story 478 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: and you've been a part of Bachelor Nation, another big 479 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: story in Bachelor Nation, one that doesn't feel like it's ending. 480 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: You know, Remember we talked. 481 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 2: About Kaitlyn and Jason, and it's like, hey, this is 482 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: ending in a in a split and it feels like, yeah, 483 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: I know at this point, maybe it's a less of 484 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: an endearing split as we first kind of covered because 485 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: Kaitlyn came out and said, hey, Jason's not supporting her 486 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: well in this time or something. But the Daniel maltby 487 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: Michael a split, it felt weird from the get cut, right, 488 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: because she didn't know it was going to be announced 489 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: and that she made that very clear. 490 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 4: Well, it was weird from the get because they didn't 491 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 4: announce it and they've been broken up for over three 492 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 4: months and just decided to kind of ignore all the inquiry. 493 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, ignore it, right, And so then he does come 494 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: out and he says it. She it's unexpected to her. 495 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: She uh then goes on her podcast and talks about 496 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: a very small it's a very small piece of the show. 497 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: I know there's some questions that kind of get led 498 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 2: into it. But here's the headline. Bachelor of Paradise is 499 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: daniel Malby claims Michael a broke up with her one 500 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: day after her egg retrieval. 501 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 4: There you go, so like that's the drama here, Well 502 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 4: it's also been. It's also come out this week, and 503 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 4: Danielle was the one who said it that like it 504 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 4: was just not a amicable real split or like it 505 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 4: wasn't on her, like she did not want to break up, 506 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 4: and that the breakup came as a huge surprise. So 507 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 4: she says on her podcast that they went to New 508 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 4: York for the egg retrieval. Everything was so easy. He 509 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 4: came with her, He even gave her the retrieval shot 510 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 4: before she went to sleep, and we were having so 511 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 4: much fun, she said, everything was so sweet. She woke 512 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 4: up from the procedure, everything went well, Michael was there 513 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 4: with a Macho latte for her, and then she felt 514 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 4: very very blindsided. Understandably so when they got back to Cleveland, 515 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 4: whether it was the next day or a couple days later, 516 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 4: and he broke up with her, so obviously the timing 517 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 4: was like very very bad. To give Michael understanding in 518 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 4: this situation, I'm assuming what happened was just the fact 519 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 4: of Danielle not getting pregnant at this point, but like 520 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 4: freezing eggs and just thinking about children with her at 521 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 4: some point probably freaked him out because he probably didn't 522 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: see that much of a future with her and just 523 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 4: said that that would be the time that he had 524 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 4: to break up with her, because he's probably leading her 525 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 4: on at that point. I don't know though, but like 526 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 4: everything's bad, Like it's such a it's such a bad look. 527 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you would hope your communication will be 528 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: very clear, especially when you're entering into these huge conversations 529 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: about family and next steps. 530 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 4: I'm not defending him, by the way. I'm just saying 531 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: that I'm seeing that was his thought process. 532 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's something that happened to him between 533 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: these two scenarios that made him. 534 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 4: Go, whoa that he had to do it so quickly 535 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 4: after I get not leading somebody on, but like, yeah, 536 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: come back from having basically surgery for your eggs for 537 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 4: your fertility future. 538 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: Wow. 539 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: Well, the the details are still so non disclosed. I 540 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: don't know if they ever will be. Daniel has said 541 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 2: that she's not going to disclose details anymore. Than she 542 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: has because there are a kid and there is a 543 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: kid involved. 544 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 3: But it's it's uh. 545 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: But my personal opinion is it's shocking that they split 546 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: in the way that they did because watching them on 547 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: Paradise and knowing their story and her move to Cleveland, 548 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: which is a big move, huge move, I just thought 549 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: they were doing really well. I expected this to be 550 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: one that makes it so it is a paradise couple 551 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: that you would have said, hey, would you put your 552 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: money behind them make and obvious said yeah, no question. 553 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: And then it doesn't, and it ends like this, and 554 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: then it feels it feels weird, and it feels very 555 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: uncharacteristic of what we know about the two of them, 556 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: right like we would have thought. I would have thought, 557 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: I guess that if they did break up, it would 558 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: be amicable. There would be some type of warning, some money, yeah, 559 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: just telling people so they stopped questioning it, and then 560 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: they would have both moved on peacefully and and you know, 561 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: wish each other the best. 562 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: It obviously ended poorly because there was. 563 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: No announcement, like I'm assuming you don't make an announcement 564 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: when you are very obsessed to well. 565 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 4: He also made the announcement on Jason's podcast, Like on 566 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 4: a whim. It wasn't planned, it wasn't talked too with her, 567 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 4: she said. He said, because he did a Q and A, Like, 568 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 4: you probably wouldn't have seen this because you had no 569 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 4: service this weekend. Not that you like her on Instagram 570 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 4: as much as I am, either, but he did a 571 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: Q and A about their breakup, which was like such 572 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 4: a bad look. Like Michael once, he like literally said, like, 573 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 4: here's a Q and A. 574 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: So what were the details that he talked about? 575 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 4: He said that he felt it was fine to like 576 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 4: just come out and say that they had broken up 577 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 4: because she had just deleted all the pictures of them 578 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 4: together from Instagram. Okay, and mind be like you know, 579 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: but like you'd still think that that was like something 580 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 4: that maybe you talked about and not just assumed and 581 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 4: like warned. 582 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 2: Unless they're not on speaking terms, yeah, I don't know, 583 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: tough Friday, unless you're on speaking terms, I don't know. 584 00:29:59,520 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: I think it. 585 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: It's just it's shockingly sad to me because I really 586 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: wanted them to to make it. I thought they both 587 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: made a very cute couple that understood each other. I 588 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: thought there was a lot of patients and understanding in 589 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: their relationship from what we saw on TV, and then 590 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: I was shocked at the way it ended. I guess 591 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: I just I don't know. It just feels messier than 592 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: I thought it would. 593 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 4: I wish I remember more things from his Q and A, 594 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 4: because I did watch the whole thing, even though I 595 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: thought it was a very bad decision for him to 596 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 4: do that. It was one of those car accidents you 597 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 4: couldn't help but look at. He also said responded to 598 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 4: somebody who said, like, you need therapy, and he was like, 599 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 4: I am in therapy, and like, ah bah, I. 600 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: Mean I yeah, there's so much here still that we 601 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: just don't know. And you know, I don't know me 602 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: either of them very well. I've talked to Michael more 603 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 2: than I've talked to Danielle, and I hope he is 604 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: getting surrounded by some good people right now, because you 605 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: don't want this to get uglier than it needs to. 606 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: And maybe it's all done now. Maybe they both said 607 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: their piece, it's public. 608 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 4: I feel like it's most here now. 609 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: Really. 610 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's the big headlines of the day. Those are 611 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: some big ones. There are some doozies. Again, we're going 612 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: to be breaking down Dean and Kaylan's wedding here and 613 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: it will be released very shortly with two of our 614 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 2: favorite people, Tanya and Becka, who are both at the 615 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: wedding as well. There'll be a separate episode where we 616 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: give all the dirty details of the weekend, all the 617 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: funny stories, all the things that we did, all the 618 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: esthetics that went into the weekend for Kaylin and Dean. 619 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: Kaylen planned a amazing wedding and we cannot wait to 620 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: talk to you about it. 621 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 3: But until that episode, I've been Ben. 622 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 4: Ashley talked to you soon, like really soon. Bye. 623 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 624 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.