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Speaker 1: To Teas and a Pod, which Teddy Mellencamp and Camridge Idge. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Two Teas and a Pod

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Speaker 1: and a c I am here with Cynthia Bailey.

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Speaker 2: My voice is back. I'm very happy to be able

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Speaker 2: to speak a little louder on everything we have to

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Speaker 2: talk about today because.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot any updates with you, Cynthia before

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Speaker 1: we get started.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. My voice is back, like I said,

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Speaker 2: feeling better still at Lake. Bailey headed to New York

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Speaker 2: today actually after the podcast, and life is good. I

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Speaker 2: went on a date this weekend and that was fun.

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Speaker 2: I got an award this weekend, like Fashion Icon Awards.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, well, I mean, you know, I've been over

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Speaker 2: here for a minute, you know, since I was eighteen,

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Speaker 2: since I started my modeling career. So that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It's always good. So it's cool to be recognized.

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Speaker 1: Yes it is.

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Speaker 2: And you deserve artwork, so it's good. It's been a

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Speaker 2: good week.

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Speaker 1: After watching this episode of Real Housewives of Orange County,

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Speaker 1: there may be some additional people that need pastor bail.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean you need to leave these hands on

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Speaker 2: some of those ladies.

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Speaker 1: For sure, we need to go full blown. I mean it,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting really excited for the finale. When they're all

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Speaker 1: dressed in these over the top costumes fighting the world,

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, I couldn't even focus on what they were saying

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Speaker 2: It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: So is Tamra a joker? What is she like? I

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Speaker 1: couldn't really tell. She's maybe a joker. I think Jen's

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Speaker 1: like a lion. We'll get We'll be able to see

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Speaker 1: it more next year. I was like trying to decipher

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Speaker 1: all the costumes. Taylor feels like she had maybe a

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Speaker 1: Craigs moment that times five. I didn't even know what

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Speaker 1: she's talking about. And while So it's so crazy because consecutively,

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Speaker 1: while I'm watching Taylor on Orange County, I'm also doing

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Speaker 1: podcast prep for the Me and Taromas flashback episode of

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season one. So it's like

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Speaker 1: the original tailor and I'm just like, it's my mind

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Speaker 1: can't take it. But any who, any who, any who?

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Speaker 1: The best moments from this episode. It starts off where

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Speaker 1: the women tell Tamar to go apologize to Jin for

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Speaker 1: bringing up other women. Tamra says, I never sugarcoat anything.

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Speaker 1: If you can't handle the truth, you can't be my friend. This,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like this is at a lunch

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Speaker 1: this moment, that Jen and Tamar have an official sit down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: without everybody else, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, I feel like, no, well, no, they didn't know

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Speaker 1: So and do we think that we're back to square

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Speaker 2: I don't think. I mean, I think Vicky definitely added

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Speaker 2: think Tamra's done here. I think she is still throwing

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Speaker 2: guys on the last episode, I am done with Jen

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Speaker 2: and Ryan's relationship. If those people are happy, those grown

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Speaker 2: people are happy, I'm completely fine with it. I personally

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Speaker 2: tell me once. But here's the thing, don't tell me

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Speaker 2: as my friend. I heard you, and I'm still going

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree on that. However, I feel like

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Speaker 1: they're talking about somebody else at this point because Jen's

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Jen is pleading with Ryan on that

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Speaker 1: We have to keep that. Yeah, No, if there's additional

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Speaker 2: Got we're back open from anywhere. We're gonna unpack this.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get to the bottom of it for once

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Speaker 2: and for all.

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Speaker 1: I do also love the Tamra is wearing her Vena hat,

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Speaker 1: but she forgot to pack her happy Place gummies for

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Speaker 1: this trip, because so far this trip is anything but happy.

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Speaker 2: I feel like jin who I don't know, but I

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Speaker 2: But there just has to be I'm just craving and

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Speaker 2: dying for jin to just snatch everybody together and just

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Speaker 2: I don't know some.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whether it's everybody shut the fuck up about my relationship,

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Speaker 1: I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out on my own.

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Speaker 1: But I think what everybody's missing in the group and

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Speaker 2: Somebody has to Yeah, Like, I think we can explain

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like unfulfilled I'm now in a situation where we

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Speaker 1: Do I get it? Do I need you to be

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Speaker 1: the I mean, let's also be clear. I guarantee that

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Speaker 1: some kind of investigating on her own. And that's kind

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Speaker 2: Well, we will see, we will see how this thing

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Speaker 2: I'm a lover of love. You know, they seem to

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna let it go. I just don't.

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Speaker 1: My one hot tip for you, Jen, because I know

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Speaker 1: if you want people to stop talking about your relationship,

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Speaker 1: give us something else. Yep, that's true. Give us something

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Speaker 1: about your life, let us in, let us know who

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Speaker 1: you being mother Teresa at home. Yes, no one is

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Speaker 1: and I've done it as well, that life is perfection,

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Speaker 1: people are going to poke holes in it. Absolutely, And

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Speaker 2: All they have right now. It's like a dog on

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Speaker 2: Yep, this phone has no more flavor left, but we

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Speaker 2: are still chewing on it. It's like, oh, like you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like by the end of this reunion, I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah we're talking, okay, Yeah, Like, come on.

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Speaker 1: Girl, and just you know what, fight with anyone, call

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Speaker 1: like anyone. Yes, yes, you can get mad at Gina

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Speaker 1: again because Gina was the one that originally brought it up.

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Speaker 1: Do whatever you gotta do. I'll tell Tamor to mind

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Speaker 1: your own fucking business like it tells, tell Vicky, I

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Speaker 1: Then Emily says that it's messed up that Heather called

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that her mom puts her down a lot,

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Speaker 2: I feel like Vicky was completely one thousand percent out

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00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: of blind to come at that lady like that, who

433
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: she is still getting to know? I believe, like I

434
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: don't even think she really knows her that well. I

435
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: don't think. But even if she did, like I could know,

436
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: I could know you for one hundred years. You don't

437
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: get to tell me how to live my life and

438
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: what I should do and when what I shouldn't do,

439
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: because everyone at that table has been in relationships that

440
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: have had issues, and they have stayed for as long

441
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: as they wanted to stay, and left when they felt

442
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: like leaving, period point blank. You know what I'm saying.

443
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: So but I do love that.

444
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: You know what I do love is when a woman

445
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: tries to, you know, to say, hey, you know what

446
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: I feel you I've been in that space before. You know,

447
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for you, guys. I'm praying for you guys.

448
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: And that's it. You give love. You don't come and

449
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: say you just should have done and you should have

450
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: did that and what is wrong with you?

451
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: No?

452
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, not completely.

453
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean even I was offended for Ryan when Vicky

454
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: was comparing him to Brooks, because you know, Brooks is

455
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: the guy that pretended to have cancer on the show.

456
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: Like Brooks is the worst of the worst. Yeah, And

457
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: that's like you can't even compare the two.

458
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 2: No, that's not the same.

459
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: It's just not the same. Somebody, you know, potentially being

460
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: a womanizer and somebody that pretends that they have.

461
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: A Yeah my mom is a breast cancer survivor.

462
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like it's just so sick on so many levels

463
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: that like you really can't compare. But also this is

464
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: just another moment where, like Jen watching back, you have

465
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: to figure out where you're going to step in. And

466
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: maybe she's not because she's just actually worried about a relationship, yeah.

467
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: Or I just don't think she's a confrontational person. I

468
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: just don't think she's comfortable like confronting people or being confronted.

469
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: Like she just looks like she just kind of shuts

470
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: down when people come at her, and it's like I

471
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: can feel her will's turning. But she just does not

472
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: seem like she's a confrontational person. But what I did

473
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: think was funny was the fact that Vicky did come

474
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: at her. And then there's a scene later on what

475
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: Vicky's like. I don't like what when when women argue?

476
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: I want to be like positive. But whatever she was saying,

477
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: remember she got a pot.

478
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't you worry? Well ended that because I

479
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of thought.

480
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll say that, but I'm just gonna leave it

481
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: with you know, I just think Jen is not a

482
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: confrontational person.

483
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I think she's a people pleaser, which.

484
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: You might be, and I and I relate to that

485
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 2: because I used to Yeah, I was like the biggest

486
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: people pleaser ever those days that ship has sailed.

487
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: That I used to be. Now, yeah, so you you

488
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: could see people now.

489
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: Take your kindness for weakness and all of those things,

490
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: and unfortunately, on the platform like this, you actually just

491
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: look weak if you won't defend yourself or defend your man,

492
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: or you know, just step up in a way just

493
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: for your own and integrity, you know, what I'm And

494
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: I think that's from her just to like say, hey,

495
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: because we at this point, we're good. I'm good with

496
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: Ran just I just need you to get everybody together

497
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: that keeps coming.

498
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: For you and Ryan. But I think also when I

499
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: think there's something about being on a show like this

500
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: where you feel afraid to admit weakness or fear or

501
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: sadness or any or vulnerability, where I think if she

502
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: would have had that same conversation that she had with

503
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Ryan with the women, if she would have let herself

504
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: break down for a second and say, of course I'm

505
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: afraid of all of these things absolutely, oh my god,

506
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: then they would have had to stop.

507
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: Coming, absolutely, because then they would have just looked like

508
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: a bunch of assholes at that point. Yeah, And I

509
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: think that's what we're missing as well. It's not even

510
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: she didn't even have to confront them at this point,

511
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: just give us that moment, like you said, where she

512
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: could just say, you know what, ladies, I just want

513
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: you to know that I really appreciate you guys, really

514
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: care about that you care about me.

515
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: And I know this is hard.

516
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: I hear all of you, and I receive everything, but

517
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: I am completely in love with this man, and I

518
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: just wish you guys could just give me a little

519
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: grace and just let me follow my heart and let

520
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: me see how this works out for me. But I

521
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: hear you, guys, and I love you guys for being concerned.

522
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we're gonna do with that.

523
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: Like, there's nothing to do with that after except be

524
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: left the hell alone.

525
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Yep. Then then we get on like the bus or

526
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: wherever the hell are going now. Emily says that Heather

527
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: finally followed her back on Instagram. Heather says that she

528
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: unfollowed everyone when she left the front because she had FOMO.

529
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: Emily tells Heather that when you say you don't fit in,

530
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: this is maybe the reason why. Heather says she has

531
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: become the punching bag this trip and she can't do

532
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: anything right and Heather just wants to go home. Would

533
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: you be offended if someone from your cast unfollowed you

534
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: after leaving the show? But hold on. So the part

535
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: that didn't fully add up to me was she said

536
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: she unfollowed everyone when she left the friend group. So

537
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: that makes sense if you're going to say you're unfollowing

538
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: Vicky and Tamra and Shannon and all of the cast

539
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: that was currently on the show. However, Heather left season

540
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: eleven and Emily and Gina came season thirteen. You would

541
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: think once Heather came back on the show, she would

542
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: follow her current cast, right, but she did not. So

543
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: now she's letting them in bit by bit, and I

544
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: I can see where that pisses them off.

545
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: Heather's following me, damn it, I'm not.

546
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure Heather's not following me, but I'll check just

547
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: for oh.

548
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: My goodness, Heather, you better be following me, because I

549
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: think I follow her after I started doing the podcast,

550
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: But after I started doing the podcast with you, I

551
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: started following these ladies because now I'm all up in

552
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: their business and I feel like they're my friends.

553
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: Following her the follows me. She's not following you.

554
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: I think so she is not following me that you,

555
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: oh my god, you can at least follow me. I'm

556
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: going to be the bigger person and continue to follow Heather.

557
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: But why don't I do kind of the way that

558
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: you're not following me, Heather, because I ride for you.

559
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: Can you send her a DM right now and say

560
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: why don't you follow me?

561
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: She will see this podcast. Okay, and she would know

562
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: damn well that she needs to be following me.

563
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: So I am my friend.

564
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: I've never met her, but she knows that we would

565
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: get along if we ever met.

566
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

567
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: But but anyway, So what was the question?

568
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: So should would you be would you be offended if

569
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: someone from your cast unfollowed you or never followed you?

570
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I at this point I would appreciate or

571
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: follow from anyone, whether I work with you or not,

572
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: because I'm trying to stay Okay, don't following me if

573
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: you follow me, that's number one. No, Like, seriously, cast,

574
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: if it's a cast member that I just do not

575
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: get along with, this person can't stand me, I can't

576
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: stand them. I'm completely fine with them not to follow me.

577
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: But if I feel like we're in a good place, respectfully,

578
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: anyone anytime, you know, after being on the show for

579
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: eleven years, you know, people came and went on the show,

580
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: and if you were on the show, I just followed

581
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: you because you were like word of the group. Now

582
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And this is like a courtesy,

583
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: Like I didn't really overthink It's like, oh, what's your Instagram?

584
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Like I followed just anyone, Like if anyone from the

585
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: current cast not follow you.

586
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: No, probably I haven't checked. I think most of them

587
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: follow me still. But here's the thing, this is what

588
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: I say. I'm a big fan of muting you. Okay,

589
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: going back to the whole uh, if you're missing out

590
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: thing or just not wanting like, that's not everyone that

591
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: I've worked with on the show who I just want

592
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: to see on my timeline.

593
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: But I don't want to go so far as to.

594
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: Block them because I don't want to be like, oh,

595
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: Cynthia Bailey, but I don't.

596
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Even want them to know now.

597
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: But I don't even them that much. I don't exactly exactly,

598
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: but I there's so many people mute it that I

599
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: just s don't want to see their lives, and I

600
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: completely encourage them to mute me as well. If they

601
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: don't want to see mine, just keep following me, girl,

602
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: it's not that serious. Just mute me and then I'm gone.

603
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: Well, you we do know that they're definitely digging in

604
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: the bottom of the cereal box looking for a prize.

605
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: When you start a fight about Instagram and then Gina

606
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: telling us what Instagram is, Instagram's actually where you follow

607
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: people you like and like things and then call on

608
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: the post. And but I do have to say it's

609
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: a sad state of affairs that even Sutton and Garcel

610
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: follow me. Still the Heather's not following her current cat.

611
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: They're supposed to be her friends.

612
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just tracked.

613
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: But Denise, I'm blocked from Denise. I can't see her.

614
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: It's as if she doesn't exist on Instagram. I'm pretty

615
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: sure since she's an only fan, she's probably got Instagram.

616
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, I for me, it's I don't take my

617
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: social media that seriously, obviously, but I do try to

618
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: protect my energy.

619
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't take my social media seriously,

620
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: not obviously. Every week on the pod, hey guys, just

621
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I can get to.

622
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: Please please follow me Cynthia Valley with a little blue

623
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: check mark, all right, and once you follow me, do

624
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: not unfollow me. Okay, your ass all time to follow me.

625
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: Do not be trying to jump ship late. Okay. No,

626
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: but I don't take my Instagram at seriously, No, seriously, Okay,

627
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: I take that part seriously. I enjoyed people actually wanting

628
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: to see what I have going on. Okay, but in

629
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: terms of like, now, if you hate me, don't follow me. Okay, yeah, no,

630
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: I don't need that. I don't need you to come exactly,

631
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: only like the people that like me to follow me. Okay,

632
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: let me be very clear about that, all right. So

633
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: but yeah, well it's it's crazy. I feel like Heather.

634
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like, just okay, this is

635
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: a bullet that Heather could have dodged by just following

636
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: everyone in the group follow ask about everything else. So

637
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: she's just giving them ammunition at this point.

638
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: I am sure shaman's are wonderful, lovely, eye opening, but

639
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: they're not made for housewives. That seem like a bunch

640
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: of beasts, bs like I can't even imagine, Like what no, no, no,

641
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: Tamra and Jen, both of them, they didn't even know

642
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: what to say. They're like, I want peace. I want

643
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: to like have no hate in my heart, no shit,

644
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: So do I join the club? Dreamon?

645
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: I love Shaman personally and we we I feel like

646
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: every franchise has that trip that they mostly when they

647
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: go see a shawman. It just is part of the

648
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: fabric of this Like I.

649
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Feel like it's the same shaman. It's like that therapist

650
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: that's out in Atlanta. It's like they just made the rounds.

651
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Do I feel

652
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: like in the whatever time they smit with the shaman

653
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: that jin and camera oh got to magically got to

654
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: this better place of peace and love and clarity.

655
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: Probably not.

656
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: I feel like the shaman would have had to dig

657
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: a little deeper, maybe do a personal session with the

658
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: two of them, you know what I'm saying. I pulled

659
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: them to the side, let the other ladies leave. It

660
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: just felt like, you're like, yay, okay, we're here with

661
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: the shaman and now we love each other again.

662
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that was a little rough. Then they get

663
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: to the restaurant where they have to they think they

664
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: have to cross the net to go sit with everybody else.

665
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: And I have a feeling if somebody was holding an

666
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: orange at the end of that net, Vicky could have

667
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: run her ass across real quick.

668
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Matter of fact, even if there wasn't

669
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: an like how far is the jumpet?

670
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: Give me a pair of wings and I'll flop my

671
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: ass over there.

672
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: Fine, love, VICKI, Oh my god, that's hilarious. But now

673
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: Shannon is literally me like she is afraid to do everything,

674
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: like when she's on the.

675
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: Boat, like getting ready to go with the turno, bruised

676
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: up from my flat to side, the slip and slide,

677
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: like her trying to like go across the net like

678
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 3: I thought I was a pussy.

679
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: Shannon is my girl, Like I am so much braver

680
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: than she is across the board when it comes to

681
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: be an adventuress with things, because she they show flash backs,

682
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: they show flashbacks of her. I think they were doing

683
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: some other like maybe zip line into something. When I

684
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: tell you, this woman and action adventure should never be

685
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: in the same, Like that's just not her thing.

686
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: I think. Also, she tends to be a little light

687
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: on her feet when it comes to stumbling falling, Like

688
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: if there's a chair tipping over, it's gonna be Shannon.

689
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: Like if you just watch any history of anything, she's falling.

690
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: So I guess I can get that. But the thing

691
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: that I didn't get was like this is a bridge.

692
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: This isn't like you could fall through it. It's not

693
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: you weren't it wasn't a tight rope. You weren't having

694
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: to like balance, like you're at the freaking circus.

695
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: To walk across and in all seriousness, it's a beautiful restaurant.

696
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: Obviously it would be. These people are not trying to

697
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: get soon, so they're not gonna can cock some way

698
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: for you to get to the table that you could

699
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: actually get hurt.

700
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: This is where things get askew. Heather says tear was

701
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: the one talking badly about Emily. Tamra says she was

702
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: repeating what Heather said. I'm with a bunch of fucking losers.

703
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Tamra says Heather was the one calling them losers blah

704
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: blah blah. So I know all the backstory here. This

705
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: isn't anything Tamer told me. I lived it, breathed it,

706
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: all of it. So back when Tamar was not hired

707
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: on Orange County yet she was solely doing to teas

708
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: in a pod with me, Heather de Bro went on

709
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: her own podcast and said Tamra should never come back

710
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: to the show because she is a blogger. Now there

711
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: is no room for her now. Tamra sends Heather a

712
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: text message and says, why would you say that the

713
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: ratings are down? Like why would you not want me

714
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: to come back on and and help you know, like

715
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: we're like all of this, and Heather responded, Uh, the

716
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: ratings are low because I'm with a bunch of fucking losers.

717
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: So and you know this, This was the response Like

718
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: this was.

719
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: They had full conversations about it. There was multiple back

720
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: and forth, like cut to Tarma gets back on the show.

721
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: We go to Bravocon together. We walk up to the

722
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: table where Heather and Gina and Emily. I feel like

723
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: Shannon may have been there too, but I'm not sure.

724
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: And Tarma jokingly looks at Heather only and goes, oh,

725
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: you're at the table with a bunch of fucking losers.

726
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: Heather's eyes like go like this because she knows exactly

727
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: what she's talking about. But this is a Bravocon. This

728
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: is not going to come. None of the other women

729
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: hear it. But at the table, Heather never denies it,

730
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: just like kind of like makes the face. The next day,

731
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: I do a podcast at Bravo Con with Tamra and

732
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: Shannon Okay, and we're like, oh, hell tam Tama bringing

733
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: up drama last night saying the fucking losers, and Tarma's

734
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: laughing and she's like it's an inside joke. Blah blah blah.

735
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: That's all the backstory, okay of what's happening here. But

736
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: now what we're seeing is Heather is all of a

737
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: sudden kind of trying to flip the script, saying Tamra

738
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: said that about everybody at Bravo Con. But then she

739
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: switches her tune and says, oh, no, you know Gina

740
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: and Emily, I wasn't saying that about you. I was

741
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: saying that about Noela and doctor Jin. Which also I'm like,

742
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: why did doctor Jin and Noela have to get brought

743
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: into this? They're not even on the freaking show anymore.

744
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: But that's who she's saying she was originally talking about.

745
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: But the point is anyone that says that, shit, it's

746
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: not great. No, it's not great. But as all this

747
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: is going down, you know to kind of my favorite

748
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: part of this is Vicky starts to cry, saying she

749
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: hates the drama, as if she didn't bring up Jin's

750
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: relationship and what Taman told her twice this trip. Also, Vicky,

751
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: I know you want your Orange back, that ain't the

752
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: way to do it, right at the end, No, uh

753
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: uh uh huh. Yes, if you want have Heather's back,

754
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: go against Taram or do whatever you need to.

755
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: Do go for it.

756
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: But whatever you do, don't say I need to leave

757
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: because I don't like the drama. Surefire away to not

758
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: get a job back.

759
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: I know, I was very confused by Vickie this episode

760
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: because I felt like, you know, she came in so

761
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: hot on the trip, you know what I'm saying, and

762
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: she had a lot to say, and she was you know,

763
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: she came in gin and which I thought was completely Uh,

764
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: the way she came in her was inappropriate for sure.

765
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: Her intentions I think were maybe in a good place,

766
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: but it just didn't land right. And then for her

767
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: to at the end of this, after basically telling us

768
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: what she should have left her husband and pretty much

769
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: he's a damn fool at this point, okay, to literally go,

770
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 2: you know, walk her hand and see how she doesn't

771
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: like to argue with women, and you know, all this drama.

772
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, this isn't me. And then all

773
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: the flashbacks of her also not only just past flashbacks,

774
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: what is Vicky currently doing with me? Oh, she came

775
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: about me first. I never came for Vicky. Vicky came

776
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: for me, that's right, I clapped back. And now she

777
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: has consistently come for me every chance she can get

778
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: in a public forum like the drama also me. But yeah,

779
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: so then, my love.

780
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: You can always thank the editors for the numerous flashbacks

781
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: of Vicky going in on people in a very dramatic wam.

782
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: It adds, so you know you got it. It's like

783
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: you say it, and then those receipts come from editors.

784
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 2: It's like, WHOA, I don't know if you should say

785
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: this thing's clear. I got that light.

786
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: You may as well just said, you know what, keep

787
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: paying me episode by episode as a friend of I'll

788
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: come in when I want to come in.

789
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Listen, I pop in and out too. I get it.

790
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: I get it, like yeah, but you know, well we

791
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: have to we run out of time. The episode ends

792
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: with four hours later the Trace Amiga's Got drinking and dancing.

793
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: Shannon's grateful. Do you wish that you could have been

794
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: part of that Trace Amiga's dancing party.

795
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely love tequila and I love to dance.

796
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: We need to have our own Trace amigas Tat party soon.

797
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: But Cynthia, love you as always, and uh I will

798
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: talk to you next week.

799
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: All right, Love you to day, Get luck with your

800
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: surgery for you.

801
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: Thank you nighte