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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Jason Chankits, an American politician and

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Speaker 1: Fox News contributor and the author of the new book

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Speaker 1: They're Coming for You, How deep state spies, NGOs and

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Speaker 1: woke corporations plan to push you out of the economy. Jason,

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Speaker 1: so nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That is a terrifying title. And why do you want

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Speaker 3: us not to sleep at night?

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Speaker 2: Who are they? And should people be concerned?

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Speaker 4: If you saw recently, you saw that Doge really uncovered

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Speaker 4: all the money, the waste, the fraud, the abuse, the

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Speaker 4: hundreds of billions of dollars a taxpayer money was going

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Speaker 4: out the door. But this book lays out there and

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Speaker 4: examines and reveals is how much data.

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Speaker 2: It's the data side of the equation.

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Speaker 4: Most people, I think, understand that they're going to trade

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Speaker 4: a little bit of their privacy of ways to increase

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Speaker 4: their convenience so they can find their local coffee shop easier,

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Speaker 4: that sort of thing. What they don't understand is how

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Speaker 4: pervasive it is in understanding everything about you. Facial recognition,

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Speaker 4: your hair color, your propensity, your sexual preferences. All of

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Speaker 4: these things are now being collected by the government, sold

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Speaker 4: by the government, and used by the government that they

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Speaker 4: would never be able to use otherwise. And that's what's scary,

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Speaker 4: and you have to be worried about it. And you

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Speaker 4: combine that with artificial intelligence and the deep fakes and

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Speaker 4: where we're going. It is a scary world. But there's

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Speaker 4: there are blueprints out there to see where this is going.

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Speaker 4: You think of China, I think of other places. A

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Speaker 4: lot of people they wanted to be debanked, they wanted

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Speaker 4: to be pushed out of the economy, and that's what's scary.

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Speaker 1: Does the average person understand what's coming or do you

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Speaker 1: think that it's still so far away from you know,

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Speaker 1: normal life that it's hard to convey to people that

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Speaker 1: they should be worried about this threat.

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Speaker 4: Well, what I worry about is that the data that's

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Speaker 4: not a genie that's easy to be put.

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Speaker 2: Back in the bottle.

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Speaker 4: And what I really worry about are these young kids

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Speaker 4: that are growing up. You know, I'm a little bit

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Speaker 4: older now, but they're growing up in an atmosphere where

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Speaker 4: everything is captured. But what really bothers me is how

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Speaker 4: Our government is dealing with this because, for instance, law

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Speaker 4: enforcement would have to have probable cause or articulable suspicion

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Speaker 4: or have to get a warrant in order to do

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Speaker 4: things in order to profile you and track you and

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Speaker 4: understand who you are and what you're doing. But in

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Speaker 4: order to get around that, they just sell data and

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Speaker 4: then they buy it from a data broker, and then

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Speaker 4: once they buy it from a data broker, they feel

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Speaker 4: like they don't need a warrant in order to track you.

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Speaker 4: And you think, well, wait, I haven't done anything wrong.

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Speaker 4: I lead a clean life, you know, but what's happening?

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Speaker 4: Even literally in the last forty eight hours, the Federal

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Speaker 4: Reserve has said that there they do bank exams and

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Speaker 4: they used to require banks to minimize reputational risk. And

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Speaker 4: what that meant in the Federal for banking is if

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Speaker 4: you do business with people who shop at Cabela's, who

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Speaker 4: buy maybe a Trump hat, maybe they went out and

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Speaker 4: they went to a rally, then you should be tracked

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Speaker 4: and you should not allow to be to have a

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Speaker 4: banking relationship, or you should pay right, or you should

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Speaker 4: if you went to Cabella's and bought a gun, that's

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Speaker 4: legally and lawfully allowed. You can only have a certain

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Speaker 4: percentage of those people in your banking PFOILO portfolio. So

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Speaker 4: like they didn't like meat and poultry, and so the

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Speaker 4: meat and poultry producers of this country, they were being debanked.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't use them banking system.

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Speaker 4: Malania and Baron Trump were pushed out of the banking system.

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Speaker 2: So it's pretty scary what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: You were in the US House Representatives for almost a decade.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything that Congress can do to stop this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, because first of all, the best disinfectant is

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Speaker 4: to expose it. And Donald Trump has done a masterful

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Speaker 4: job of starting to tear this down. I think there's

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Speaker 4: a reason why, literally the Federal Reserve just got rid

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Speaker 2: But we have to know about this.

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Speaker 4: For instance, in the state of Florida, when you're sixteen

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Speaker 4: year old, maybe you have a sixteen year old daughter

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Speaker 4: went and got a driver's license for the first time.

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Speaker 4: Did the people know that when she got that driver's license,

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Speaker 4: she put in her height, her weight, her hair color,

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Speaker 4: took a picture of her that the state of Florida

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Speaker 4: sold that information. They actually profited for You paid to

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Speaker 4: get the driver's license. Then they sold it. Well, it's

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Speaker 4: things like this get exposed. People say, wait, what who

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Speaker 4: did you sell it to? And did you know that

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Speaker 4: there's a company out there, for instance, called Clearview AI.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying they did anything illegal, but they have

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Speaker 4: billions of photos. So when you walk down the street,

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Speaker 4: on Instagram or Snapchat, or or maybe you just you know,

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Speaker 4: post a profile picture on Facebook, did you know that's

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Speaker 4: all being what they call scraped and built into a profile.

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Speaker 4: And then maybe when you get in your car and

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Speaker 4: you start driving, they're gonna they're going to gauge your speed,

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Speaker 4: how often you look into the rear view mirror, what speed?

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Speaker 4: These are rolling computers. These we detail how the car

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Speaker 4: companies they sell this information. You know, who wants to

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Speaker 4: buy insurance companies? Right, that's how they But you don't.

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Speaker 2: Give permission to do that, did you?

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Speaker 4: But once you know all this stuff, then you start

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Speaker 4: to open your eyes and say, wait a second, this

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Speaker 4: is not who we are. So I think Congress has

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Speaker 4: to understand it, and then they're going to have to

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Speaker 4: put some guardrails on.

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Speaker 1: Well as somebody who has a fifteen year old daughter

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Speaker 1: who did just get her learner's permit in the state

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Speaker 1: of Florida. It makes me feel kind of helpless that

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Speaker 1: this goes on and I can't do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything we can do on a state level?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to expose it.

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Speaker 4: And I think Florida ultimately or has done the right

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Speaker 4: the right thing. Most people don't understand that about half

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Speaker 2: They also trade all this information to the FBI.

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Speaker 4: So you're suddenly in a database and you just think,

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Speaker 4: well why, and then you think, well, wait, they haven't

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Speaker 4: been able to keep this data clean, right, Yeah, they

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Speaker 4: haven't been able to protect it. So the amount of

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Speaker 4: data that's out there is so massive and so big,

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Speaker 4: and there's really no way to pull it back. And

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Speaker 4: think of it this way, the government knows almost everything

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Speaker 4: about us, and we know very little about the government.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: That's so upside down. Right, we're supposed to be the

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Speaker 2: private citizens, they're supposed to be the public. But it's

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Speaker 2: the opposite, and that's what's wrong.

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Speaker 4: That's why I wrote the book They're Coming for You,

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Speaker 4: because they are going to use it to manipulate you.

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Speaker 4: And we talk about how they use it to manipulate elections,

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Speaker 4: voter turnout all of these things. Who gets benefits who doesn't?

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Speaker 4: Who gets to go banking, who doesn't, We get to

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Speaker 4: see what material who doesn't.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcoit Show. Were there any prizes

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Speaker 1: in writing they're coming for you?

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Speaker 3: Did you find anything you didn't expect to find?

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Speaker 4: Big the data brokerage business is and how pervasive and

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Speaker 4: incestuous it is with our federal government.

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Speaker 2: Days after Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: Took office, he signed this like five hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: contract with Clearview AI. Well, why why was that such

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Speaker 4: an importance of the White House to have this contract

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Speaker 4: to have all this facial recognition? Because they wanted to

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Speaker 4: get a picture of everybody that was going to a

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Speaker 4: Trump rally, everybody that showed up on you know, at

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Speaker 4: certain places, everybody unbelievable. And that's where it started, really

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Speaker 4: in the Obama administration where they operation choke Point, that's

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Speaker 4: what they called it. They thought they could choke off

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Speaker 4: have a banking relationship so that really shocked me.

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Speaker 2: That it's best I can tell.

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Speaker 4: It's about a three hundred and fifty billion dollar industry

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Speaker 4: on data brokerages, and that's that's growing exponentially.

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Speaker 3: Did you enjoy your time in the House?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 1: Your handle on Twitter X is Jason in the House.

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Speaker 1: I always still think of you as in the House.

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Speaker 4: But that's because nobody can pronounce chafits right. So you know,

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Speaker 4: I love I love policy. I love digging my fingernail

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Speaker 2: And I love that part of it.

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Speaker 1: Right, But maybe actually you're being even more effective on

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Speaker 1: the outside by writing books like this, because you know,

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Speaker 1: Congress is a little slow to action a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You know, you think, yeah.

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Speaker 3: They do, they don't really move that quickly. But you

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Speaker 3: know your.

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Speaker 1: Book, they're coming for you. There's really no way to

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Speaker 1: you read it. Do you feel like that's true?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, we have four hundred and fifty references. It

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Speaker 4: took me here and a half plus to put all

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And then the other thing is people with kids. If

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Speaker 4: manipulate your kids. How how in California in particular, they

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Speaker 4: hand out free computers. Oh look, how good we are.

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Speaker 4: We're so nice. We hand out all these computers. That's

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Speaker 4: how they can monitor you twenty four to seven. And

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Speaker 4: they are they're taking that data and then they're selling it.

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Speaker 4: That's what's crazy about it. They're monetizing it and selling it.

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Speaker 4: And it just makes me mad. And this is the

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Speaker 4: do something about that. I got to make sure my

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Speaker 3: So a question that I ask all of my guests

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Speaker 3: is what do you worry about?

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Speaker 2: Is it this? This? This? Really? Is I think this generation.

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Speaker 4: I have six grandkids at this point, my wife blessed, Yes,

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Speaker 2: We've got three kid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had six grade and I look at those

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Speaker 4: little kids and we're taking videos and pictures, and you know,

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Speaker 4: because the phone is so great.

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Speaker 2: I can always capture it. But they're going to grow

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Speaker 2: up in a world that's so weird, right.

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Speaker 4: Artificial intelligence, deep fake, And I just I worry about

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Speaker 4: how bizarre the world's going to get the next really

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Speaker 4: in the short while, next five to ten years, it's

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Speaker 4: really going to be a very different place, and not

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Speaker 4: when we're going to want to live in if we're

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Speaker 3: But I wonder if they're going to see it as weird.

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Speaker 1: My kids already, you know, just their technological use is

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Speaker 3: Will they see all of this is odd?

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Speaker 1: Or will they be able to spot, for example, deep

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Speaker 1: fakes very easily.

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Speaker 4: Well, if I was living right now, i'd say put

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Speaker 4: I wish I had done more surfing.

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Speaker 4: Like there's so many but the things that I did

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Speaker 4: would turn up the volume on that if you will

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Speaker 4: to do even more.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I really feel like people are living too much online

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Speaker 3: It's it's you know, this.

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Speaker 1: Is a show about largely about living better and improving

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Speaker 3: I think that's really a.

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Speaker 1: Good lesson for people. Well, I love this conversation. The

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Speaker 1: book is called They're Coming for you. You can buy

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Speaker 1: it anywhere books are sold. Jason end us here with

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Speaker 1: your best tip from my listeners on how they can

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Speaker 4: Love your neighbor, love yourself, and love your love your family.

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Speaker 4: It's okay to just pick up the phone or go

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Speaker 4: drop by and do the old fashioned thing and knock

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Speaker 4: And I just being sincere in your heart, I just

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Speaker 4: I think that's I saw a neighbor the other day and.

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Speaker 2: Seen it in a while and it was just great.

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Speaker 4: And it's because I stopped and paused. And I don't

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Speaker 4: regret those ten minutes at all. In fact, I cherished them.

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Speaker 4: And I think we need we as a community, as

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Speaker 2: Need to do more of that.

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Speaker 3: I love that he is.

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Speaker 1: Jason Schaefits by their coming for you everywhere books are sold.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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