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Speaker 1: He Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's Wednesday again, and that means that we're

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Speaker 2: recapping our old shows for you with all new commentary,

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Speaker 2: updates and insights.

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Speaker 1: So today's episode's a little different. We're recapping episode eighty two,

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Speaker 1: which is part one of our two part crossover series

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Speaker 1: with none other than Unqualified with Anna Faris. Because she's famous,

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Speaker 1: Anna Faris, she's hugely famous, and we got asked to

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Speaker 1: do this and we couldn't.

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Speaker 2: It was and her podcast was super popular. I don't

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Speaker 2: think she does it anymore, that's right, but yeah, she

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Speaker 2: was at top of her game and like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was such a cool ask and it was such

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Speaker 2: an exciting thing to be able to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we also got invited to her house

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Speaker 1: to do it, and the fucking hall Wood Hills yep,

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Speaker 1: so it was definitely like a famous person's mansion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she and Chris Pratt had just separated. It like just

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Speaker 1: came out in the news that they had separated.

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Speaker 3: So we were both a little nervous.

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Speaker 1: I think about, like, don't say anything about a husband

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Speaker 1: or anything.

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't want to mention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were kind of like something wrong. Why didn't

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Speaker 2: you cancel this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like, are you just going to podcast through it the

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Speaker 2: way we are? Okay, we're bonded, then yeah.

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Speaker 3: We'll do it.

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Speaker 2: That's what we do too, totally. So this episode came

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Speaker 2: out August fifteenth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to the intro of episode eighty two.

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Speaker 5: Are we doing this?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, sim you tell me what the fuck

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Speaker 3: we're doing.

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Speaker 6: I show up here exciting. We're doing a crossover Karen

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Speaker 6: and Georgia for.

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Speaker 5: My Murder in Your House right now.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much. This is like the most

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Speaker 3: efficient way to podcasts, isn't it. Everybody gets together in

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Speaker 3: one room and talk all at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I would like to describe the setting though we are.

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Speaker 7: Now we're in like the what we call the Mole

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Speaker 7: Room because there's this massive poster of this horrible movie

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Speaker 7: called The Mole People that's from like nineteen forty six

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Speaker 7: and uh and we so we call this room the

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Speaker 7: Mole Room. And now it's it's incredibly dark and lit

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Speaker 7: with candles, and we're going to.

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Speaker 3: Talk about our favorite murder.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, welcomed our lives bloody Mary.

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Speaker 3: Right, it does feel like that.

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Speaker 7: Have you guys always been attracted to like morbid things like.

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Speaker 3: Very attracted too? Yeah? I have yeah, sure, yeah in

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Speaker 3: a creepy way.

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Speaker 7: Challenge though, because you've I'll give you a tour later.

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Speaker 7: But I have like a lot of shit around. That's

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Speaker 7: a a few like skulls, like a lot of tax

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Speaker 7: a dermy. The goal with the house was like, how

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Speaker 7: can I make it look like the creepiest natural history

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Speaker 7: museum where my people that come over might feel like

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Speaker 7: me could get you know, murdered in dream hoouse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, this is haunted for sure. The MA room

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Speaker 1: is haunted.

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Speaker 3: It really is, isn't it. Absolutely? If any room's going

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Speaker 3: to be haunted or any house, it's this.

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Speaker 7: I always thought, like with the haunted thing, like we've

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Speaker 7: it would be some somebody believed that their apartment at

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Speaker 7: like the oak Woods, like b twenty one oh eight

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, that's not fucking but see that's.

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Speaker 7: What I'm saying, Like why do ghosts only like gravitate

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Speaker 3: We're talking about big.

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Speaker 2: Stars haunting the oak Wood like they're really the biggest.

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Speaker 2: It's like Betty Davis is in my half bath right now,

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Speaker 1: The crown molding and the But we were talking about that,

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Speaker 1: how much creepyer it is for a new build to

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Speaker 1: be haunted then an old house, because it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course this place is haunted. There's like people who

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Speaker 1: this is a fucking the demon.

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Speaker 3: That's a demon. Like Gary Sherman who died at age

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Speaker 7: He never got married though, Oh is that what it is? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: he was just he was just a little lonely died

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Speaker 3: You know his.

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Speaker 2: Messages get out there, Max and Mingle trying to find somebody.

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Speaker 3: Jim is like steps from your house crying, don't be

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Speaker 3: like me, don't feel like Gary and die alone.

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Speaker 2: So sad.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for being here. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: But you're pretending like it's your show.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's not my fucking show.

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Speaker 5: Well I'm going to do to tell the listeners what

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Speaker 5: we're doing first, so.

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Speaker 2: You know, because it kind of is her show, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it's you know, we're just at her place.

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Speaker 5: It's our show.

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Speaker 3: It's true. I get I get.

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Speaker 6: Riding a full on cross where you guys are getting

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Speaker 6: the full unqualified treatment, and we're gonna get the full

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Speaker 6: my favorite murder treatment.

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Speaker 3: A guest, I feel like a guest.

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Speaker 1: Maybe like you host this beginning part, then we'll host.

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Speaker 3: Might yes, I would love that. We move into the

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Speaker 3: room we want to be, which is full of dead my.

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Speaker 7: Appstairs, good bye.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I like that.

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Speaker 6: So Anna, you're going to host the first part next week,

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Speaker 6: we're going to release we're actually on the twenty second.

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Speaker 6: We're releasing this on the fifteenth, and we'll released Steve right,

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Speaker 6: it's we're releasing the twenty second to the second part

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Speaker 6: and then no listen.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do is it's very easy, this is important.

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Speaker 5: This is very important.

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Speaker 6: We're going to start with Karen, You're going to talk

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Speaker 6: about your favorite murder.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 6: Then we're going to go to unqualified deal Breakers. Then

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Speaker 6: we're going to take advice call. After that we'll end

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Speaker 6: the show and then we'll come back next week. Actually,

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Speaker 6: we'll wait five minutes and then we'll start again, and

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Speaker 6: this time you guys are hosting, and Georgia you're going

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Speaker 6: to start with your favorite murder and Anna will go

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Speaker 6: with hers, and then we'll do one more call and

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Speaker 6: we'll wrap it up.

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Speaker 3: I love it. It's amazing. Go over that again a

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Speaker 3: few more times.

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Speaker 1: This is the most what's the word like when things

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Speaker 3: Is it planned? Plant? It's called planned? Most planned.

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Speaker 5: We're trying, well, let's see where it goes.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure that we're going to go all the real

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Speaker 7: You guys are wittier than we are, and we have

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Speaker 7: to like plan shit out and.

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Speaker 2: And we're back. Do you remember how this, Like, did

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Speaker 2: Stephn just get this request in the Gmail?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think they just reached her. People just reached out

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't remember, but it was just

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Speaker 2: What I do remember is the hedge in front of

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Speaker 1: What I remember is us leaving. We went out front

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Speaker 1: rolls down to like beefy guys just go hey, where's Chris?

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Speaker 2: So the whole thing is weird, that's crazy, that's really weird.

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Speaker 3: It just was a weird day.

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Speaker 1: So they go, hey, where's Chris, Like we're supposed to

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Speaker 2: Insane? And I know that was the perfect answer. You

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Speaker 1: Very trustworthy of a like a famous people are very

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Speaker 3: So they should be right.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that we didn't go into like an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was scary.

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Speaker 2: And she was so cool, normal, real like basically like

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Speaker 2: It and so complimentary, like she made us feel comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were going to do it, but I ended

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Speaker 1: a thing the great perfect cross, like a literal perfect crossover.

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Speaker 2: is very cool. Also, she is tiny, tiny, tiny.

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Speaker 3: Petite, gorgeous. Yeah, couldn't be lovelier. Yeah, little lady.

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Speaker 2: People love to hear about stuff like that because It's

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Speaker 2: always like if they see a celebrity in real life,

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Speaker 2: It's like every celebrity is literally five foot two, every single.

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Speaker 3: One, male or female. Yeah, five foot two. Yep, big heads,

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Speaker 3: big heads. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If Anna wants to come back on our podcast, I

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Speaker 1: would love it. I sure she wants to come to

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Speaker 1: exactly right network, please whenever you want.

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Speaker 2: If an Affairs still listens to this podcast, which probably not,

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Speaker 2: I got it, but would be so cool to have

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Speaker 2: her back ten years later.

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Speaker 3: Basically absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And I love about this, and let's get into it,

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Speaker 1: is that you cover one of the most fucking crazy

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Speaker 1: ass stories of all time. I forgot that you covered

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Speaker 1: the BTK killer in this episode, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Wild and the way we did.

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Speaker 2: And also I didn't realize I was going to be

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Speaker 3: It was almost like here we go and like, okay,

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Speaker 3: go ahead. That was one of the biggest ones ever,

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Speaker 3: go right ahead.

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Speaker 2: And I have to do that in front of the

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Speaker 2: star of Just Friends, one of the greatest films of

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Speaker 1: A house Bunny Don't forget the House Funny, don't ever

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Speaker 1: story about a BTK killer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, should we jump right in?

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Speaker 5: Let's yeah, you want to do let's do your murder.

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Speaker 5: Go for it, all right, guys.

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Speaker 3: Well this is.

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Speaker 2: In when I got the email, the highly detailed email

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Speaker 2: So this is what we're doing, shorter versions than we

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Speaker 3: I was like, how do I make the lame joke?

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Speaker 3: This is so exciting? Mine's not shorter. You're shorter. It isn't,

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Speaker 2: So this all started in Wichita, Kansas in January fifteenth,

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Speaker 7: I hung up on the bound thing, like like are

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Speaker 1: When I'm like I see someone strange in my apartment

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Speaker 2: So so now a year later, there's two brothers the

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Speaker 3: Wait, it was him who called in to get them

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's sort of a weird version of fuck Mary

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Speaker 3: Do you think Burger king that's not funny, that's in

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Speaker 2: His name is BTK and he has threatened to strike again,

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Speaker 2: Rumor going around that this is targeting women with long hair.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh god, it's not cool.

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00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: That's not cool. I knew that I was living in

445
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 3: some kind of weird purgatory, but this is it. This

446
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 3: is all that happens is someone says your name, I

447
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 3: become a movie star and it was the best purgatory ever.

448
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 3: Love it.

449
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 2: Okay, So this woman Anna william this is this is

450
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 2: a crazy part of the story. She has square dancing

451
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: one night, and so she's supposed to normally from when

452
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: she goes home from work, she's home around seven, but

453
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: that night she was square dancing, so she doesn't get

454
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: home until after ten o'clock.

455
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 10: I'm sweaty and like full of joy. She's flirting with

456
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 10: cowboys dancing. Come on, there's not an more innocent hobby. Yeah,

457
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 10: you could have it's meat.

458
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

459
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: So she gets home and notices that her bedroom door

460
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: is open, and she knows for a fact that she

461
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: shuts it every morning when she leaves her house. She

462
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 2: picks up her phone to call the police, and the

463
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: phone line is cut, so she runs to her neighbor's house.

464
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 3: Yes, girl, and she they call the police.

465
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: The police go to her house and search her house,

466
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: and they find a wire fashioned into the shape of

467
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: a noose next to the bed. And in a previous communication,

468
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: BTK had promised that he was going to hang his

469
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: next next victim.

470
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: So Anna and Anna never went back to the house

471
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: and we'll be back it up keep Branna. Okay, what

472
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 3: a weird promise?

473
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like ice pinky Squearugh.

474
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: So she never goes back to the house, but her

475
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: daughter goes by.

476
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: To pick up the mail and they find a letter

477
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: addressed to Anna's deceased husband care of her, and it

478
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 2: looks very official, but when they open it, they find

479
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,239
Speaker 2: a pair of her pantyhose inside and a drawing of

480
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: what he had intended to do to her, with a

481
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: poem called oh Anna, why didn't you appear? So this

482
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,719
Speaker 2: sixty six year old woman who went square dancing instead

483
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: of home didn't.

484
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 3: Get killed by BTK because of that.

485
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: So seven years later, it's September sixteenth, nineteen eighty six,

486
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: and Vicky Weggerley, who's only twenty years old, is found

487
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: by her husband when he comes home from more strangled

488
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: and near death, so he calls the paramedics. They come,

489
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: they work on her, and they get her into the

490
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: ambulance and they get her to the hospital. The crime

491
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: scene is completely compromised because they're all walking all over it,

492
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: and she dies of her injuries. The police have no

493
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: leads and the case goes cold. So thirty years later,

494
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: on the thirtieth anniversary of the BTK killings, the Wichita

495
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: Eagle published as a recap.

496
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: Thirty years later and not and no new murders.

497
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: Right.

498
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 7: I was on the Wichita Police Force, and I tell

499
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 7: you what did.

500
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 3: It eat you up? Inside?

501
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: I wrote for the Wichita Egons. I was like, who wait,

502
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: how has the not been solved?

503
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: It goes forward in time and you have one gray

504
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: whisk repair like right on the side of your bottle,

505
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: real stylis.

506
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 3: That's how we know, the thirty years have passed for you.

507
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: That's it though, because I've had botox ever since.

508
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: Still, so they published a recap of what happened and

509
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: the effect that it had on the city, and a

510
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: couple days later, a letter arrives at the Witchtac Eagle

511
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: and it contains a photocopy of Vicky weger Lee's driver's

512
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: license and photos of her dead body posed. So it's

513
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: the BTK and he's letting the police know that he's

514
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: not gone anywhere and he's not a part of history.

515
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: And he begins to communicate with the police through statements

516
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: in the newspaper and personal ads and through letters, and

517
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: they the police basically convinced him to start sending them

518
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: packages because they know anything that they have from him

519
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: they can get. Now there's you know, so much more

520
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: forensic science that they can apply to all this because

521
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 2: about you know, of course, back in the seventies, all

522
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: they could do is collect stuff and put it in an.

523
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: Envelope lock that stamp, motherfucker right, so exactly right.

524
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: So they're trying to get him to do all that.

525
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: At one point, he's actually caught on surveillance video in

526
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: his Jack Black jeep Cherokee dropping off a package to

527
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: the police station. What because he's like, thinks he can

528
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: never get caught, so uh. At one point he asks

529
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: the police if they can trace him through floppy disc

530
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: and they the police say no, no, no.

531
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 3: But the police are lying.

532
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, big reveal, the police are lying to him.

533
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

534
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 8: Police are not allowed to lie by law. Well, well

535
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 8: it turns out in this case. Wait what yeah you can.

536
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 8: So they're BTK, don't worry about a thing, and go

537
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 8: ahead and send us that floppy disc. Because his thinking

538
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 8: was he's an idiot. He had so many maps he

539
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 8: wanted to show them.

540
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: And poems and things that he wanted to communicate to

541
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: them that he didn't want to have to send it

542
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: all individually. So he was like, I'm just gonna throw

543
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: it all into a floppy disc and send that over

544
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: to you, and he can have all my serial killer documents.

545
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: And they were like, sounds great, do it right away.

546
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: At English or some shit. I don't know what that

547
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: means because I was never an ap English, but I

548
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: bet advanced placement that you couldn't do that.

549
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: No, you can't know.

550
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 2: So so they of course traced him on that and

551
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: they find out that the person sending all of this

552
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: is a man named Dennis Raider. He's a husband and

553
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: a father of two. He's the city dog catcher. He's

554
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: a church elder, and he's a boy Scout leader. So

555
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: he was in the entire time hiding in plain sight

556
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: in Wichita.

557
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: Any one of those seems like a serial killer job,

558
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: but like all you know, like a dog catcher.

559
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, do you remember that hometown that we had.

560
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: We had somebody send us a letter and they were

561
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: from Wichita, and this story they told was they had

562
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: a dog that got out, and the dog catcher lived

563
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: in his neighborhood.

564
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: And the dog catcher took the dog.

565
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: And took him inside his house, and then he went

566
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: down to get the dog, and the dog catcher was like, no, no, no,

567
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: you have fines that you have to pay, and you

568
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: can't have this dog back, and I'm going to take

569
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: him into the pound tomorrow morning and all this stuff

570
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 2: the guy. And the guy basically charged his neighbor and

571
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: was like, I'll beat the shit out of you. Give

572
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: me my dog back. And he got his dog back

573
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: and went home. And then like a month later, it

574
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: was revealed that that guy was BTK, So he basically

575
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: almost got a fistfight with a serial killer.

576
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: He started some shit yeah, and he's like, give me

577
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: my fucking dog. That's amazing. Forgot about that.

578
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: So essentially Denis Raider confessed to all of the killings

579
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: and then he confessed to two cold cases that they

580
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: didn't know were connected to the BAKTK, which one was

581
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: a woman named Catherine Bright who was stabbed to death

582
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 2: in her home. She BTK was waiting inside her house

583
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: when she got home. He didn't know that she would

584
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: be with her brother, Kevin, who he then shot and

585
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: thought was dead, then went and attacked Catherine, and then

586
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: Kevin got up and tried to fight him again, and

587
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: then he strangled him and thought he was dead again,

588
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: and then he murdered Catherine and then turned around and

589
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: Kevin's body was gone.

590
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: Kevin hadn't had.

591
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Gotten up and fucking ran out of the house. Fuck yeah,

592
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: Kevin and called the police.

593
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: So he imagined how scary that was like, even for

594
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: a serial killer to turn around and the body's gone.

595
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: Oh dude, that's even for a serial killer.

596
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: The most for serial killer, even if you have no

597
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: feelings at all, you're like, ohh shit, so he in

598
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: that case, he or that crime. He didn't clean up anything,

599
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: he didn't do this his normal stuff that he would do.

600
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: He just like really quickly covered his tracks and ran out.

601
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: So he was positive he was going to get caught

602
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: on that murder and he wasn't. And then the other one, this, this,

603
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: this is bad. It was in nineteen eighty five he

604
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: broke into the home of Marine Hedge, who was one

605
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: of his neighbors, and after her male guests left for

606
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: the night, he snuck out of her closet, turned down

607
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: her bedroom light. She sat up, He pounced on her

608
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: and strangled her to death, and then he put her

609
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: body in the trunk of his car, oh no, sorry,

610
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: the trunk of her own car, and drove to the

611
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: Christ Lutheran church, where he eventually became a church elder,

612
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: and took pictures of her in various sexual bondage positions.

613
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: He had all of these pictures in his house, and

614
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: all of the pictures of all of his victims in

615
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: his house. When they arrested him, they found all these

616
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: files in his garage, and so basically he entered guilty

617
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: to all counts, all ten murders, and he was given

618
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: ten consecutive life sentences. And he said in an early

619
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: letter that he blamed his murders on what he called

620
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: factor X. He said he was a big serial killer

621
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: fiicionado himself, and he said that all serial killers had

622
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: the same factor X, from Jack the Rippers to the

623
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: Son of Sam. And he said that basically factor X

624
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: was a demon, and he described it as something that

625
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: controls his desire to kill. And he drew it in

626
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: varying ways, sometimes as a frog and sometimes as a

627
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: more traditional looking demon. And that's the basics for the

628
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: BTK killer. Everybody, Okay, can we.

629
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: Talk a little bit about the death penalty stuff? Why

630
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: do serial killers tend some of them get a pass?

631
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 7: Like you shoot somebody, let's say, once by accident during

632
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 7: the you know, when you're robbing a gas station. If

633
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 7: you live in Kansas, you're gonna get like the death penalty.

634
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: Why the fuck does he like get a pass? He's

635
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: serving flood guilty, all right?

636
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I have no idea. We're the last people

637
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: you should be. We have no idea. I could speculate.

638
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm the shit out of this, but it's all speculation,

639
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's because he made a deal that

640
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: if he pled guilty, he wouldn't get put to death,

641
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: right most likely, I don't know, because then you don't

642
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: have to put the families through the trial.

643
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: Well, also depends on the state by state. Some places

644
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: have the death penalty and some don't.

645
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: Amy you could probably weigh in here. I'm an actually

646
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: federal prosecutor, are I don't know.

647
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: I have like a podcast like my favorite narcotics distribution

648
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: that doesn't like really have have the same ring.

649
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 3: Now.

650
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: I don't actually do death penalty cases, luckily for me,

651
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: so this isn't really something I can weigh in on.

652
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: But certainly there's.

653
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: Lots of there's also reason why somebody might not get

654
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 4: the death penalty between like whatever the statute is to

655
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 4: a plea agreement like you said, or also there could

656
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: be you know, they might have a potent.

657
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: I mean, there's just a lot. There's a lot of

658
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: different reasons.

659
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Is it rare to get a death penalty case based

660
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: on all the things you can do to avoid it,

661
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: even to go to trial that way?

662
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 7: Yeah?

663
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 9: You know.

664
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Speaker 4: I mean again, I do federal criminal lossuit.

665
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Speaker 3: I don't speculate again a ton speculation.

666
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Speaker 4: I have worked on some death penalty matters. There were

667
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: habeas petitions at the Ninth Circuit and they were pretty horrible,

668
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: gruesome cases.

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Speaker 3: I did not enjoy it.

670
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Speaker 4: So I don't know, I don't know how you guys,

671
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: I just don't you know what I'm saying like this

672
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 4: every day.

673
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Speaker 7: I don't like, you know, we tend to be whatever. Okay,

674
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 7: I know, I don't mean to go off on my

675
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 7: weird tangent why.

676
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 11: That's what this podcast is, But I but truly like, why,

677
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 11: Like it seems like, all right, if we're going to

678
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 11: accept the death penalty, which I'm not a like favor

679
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 11: of just in general on an ethical basis, but if

680
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Speaker 11: you're gonna do if we're going to do it as

681
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 11: a nation, seems like the BDK guy, well you know

682
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 11: that seems like top.

683
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Speaker 3: Of the list. Yeah right right, yeah, yeah. Well a

684
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: lot of the for.

685
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: Me, a lot of the sentencing and and that sort

686
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: of thing doesn't really make a lot of sense. There's

687
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Speaker 1: not like a there's not a clear cut one where

688
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: it's like, well he did this, so this is going

689
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: to happen because historically this is how these people get charged.

690
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Speaker 7: I just like like the gruesomeness of fascination like is

691
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 7: adds this undercurrent of like do we weirdly clearly like

692
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Speaker 7: kind of appreciate the obsession and and the oddness of

693
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 7: mentality and value that in.

694
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Speaker 3: A way that or we can learn from it in

695
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: some way. I mean, I think it's interesting.

696
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Speaker 2: I definitely don't like value it or appreciate it like

697
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: it's I don't always sort of the fascination is a positive, No,

698
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 2: not at all, of course, not. Yeah, but but there

699
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: is something different about like this, like the fascination of

700
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Speaker 2: mind of somebody like this that you know, whereas somebody

701
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Speaker 2: else we're a little more dismissive of like yeah, yeah,

702
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: we'll inject you.

703
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: Well, I always think it's It was a really interesting

704
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: decision and maybe even we lost something in the fact

705
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: that Ted Bundy was put to death, because I feel

706
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: like there's so much we can let's the extreme of

707
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: being a sociopath and psychotic. We could have learned so

708
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: much about the human brain based on just interviews with

709
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy, not with people who could be tricked, you

710
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And like, so we put him

711
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: to death, and it's like, well, we kind of put

712
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: ourselves out of a learning experience in a way.

713
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Speaker 3: I mean, he was going to stay in prison for

714
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 3: the rest of his fucking life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, listen,

715
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Speaker 3: I agree with you. My uncle lived across the street

716
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: from him, by the way in Seattle. Yet no, that's

717
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: all I know, just that he lived.

718
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 7: My uncle lived right across the street where Ted Bundy

719
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 7: lived in He rented a room in an attic.

720
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Speaker 1: Is this the same uncle who made the guillotine that's

721
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: on your front porch?

722
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Speaker 5: Holy?

723
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Speaker 3: He sounds like a badass brother picker.

724
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 8: He is.

725
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: He's awesome. Uncle Roger Roger get on the podcast. So

726
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I did not mean to go on.

727
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, not at all, no, because I was

728
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: thinking about that, like it is the like Ted Bundy

729
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: was interviewed a bunch at the end of his life.

730
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: But I think people get.

731
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: So it's like you murder almost forty women, and after

732
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: a while people are just like get rid of him,

733
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: like we don't care what he has to say anymore.

734
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: It's not that idea of like him getting to have

735
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: which I'm I also don't even know how I feel

736
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: about the death penalty. I'm definitely not advocating for it,

737
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: but I do see the mentality of people just being like.

738
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Speaker 8: In this.

739
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: That's going to turn into like some kind of game

740
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: that all is playing with us.

741
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: We're like, oh, magical, she tried to kill us a

742
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: little different way.

743
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Speaker 5: My favorite.

744
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 3: Run.

745
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: But like Dennis, what I think is fascinat about Dennis Raiders.

746
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: He was like when he was the dogcatcher he was.

747
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: They called it like the city. I can't remember the

748
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: name of the term that was on the side of

749
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 2: the van of this really good made for TV movie

750
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: I watched. But he would do things like go around

751
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 2: and measure people's lawns, and if your lawn was too high,

752
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: he would like take a picture of it and like

753
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: give people a warning. And there was a story in

754
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: this movie, and I didn't have time to see if

755
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: it was real because I didn't know how to fact

756
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: check it, but but I think it probably they put

757
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: it in based on something he really did, which is

758
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: if somebody's dog got out, he would bring it to

759
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Speaker 2: the pound and then tell the person they had to

760
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: talk to him before the pound would release the dog

761
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: to the person. And then and so he would say

762
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: they have five days to contact him, and then he

763
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: wouldn't answer his phone and then the pound would kill

764
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Speaker 2: the animal.

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Speaker 3: He did that in this made for TV movie.

766
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 2: He did that to one woman, and I remember hearing

767
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: about other things like that. So it's like this person

768
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: who is taking these weird little like you know, those

769
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: people that love control and love power, even though it's

770
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: like the dog Catcher power.

771
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: So I could see that the way where Ted Bundy

772
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: would get off on being interviewed and it's like he's

773
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: not really being punished. She doesn't give a shit about

774
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: staying in personal rest of his life because all these

775
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: people want to know about him. So it's almost like,

776
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: kill that motherfucker.

777
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 7: It's a really fuck up way to approach fame, isn't it, Like.

778
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: Like anyone if you just want to be famous.

779
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to go through like two different avenues.

780
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 7: I just knew when I was eight that I just

781
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 7: really wanted to be famous, acting or killer or.

782
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Speaker 3: Wherever else it tack killing doesn't work, then you go

783
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Speaker 3: with that. I mean they're very similar whoew.

784
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 7: Podcast, very but but but truly the like the psychology,

785
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 7: I guess maybe this is what you're getting at, Karen,

786
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 7: is the idea of like like the idea that he

787
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 7: clearly wanted desperately to be known. Oh yeah, himself.

788
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: You know, he's the he's the reason he got caught

789
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: his already ego that fame.

790
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: Like even two people almost got put to put into

791
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: prison because of the you know who admitted to it,

792
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: like you should be like great, I got off of it.

793
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: He would have been. It would have been a lot. Yeah,

794
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: that would be the old double.

795
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: Departy thing we talked about, where if those people were

796
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: prosecuted for his crimes, then he would have he would

797
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: have been innocent, and he couldn't let that happen because

798
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: he wanted the credit.

799
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Speaker 1: My question is a fucking applied to engineer book at

800
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Speaker 1: the library?

801
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: You think people check that out enough.

802
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: That they're going to find out they're going to find

803
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: that letter the hero applied engineer.

804
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: No, no, I think he no. I think he put

805
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: it in just specifically for the cops. I don't think

806
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 2: he's stuck it there like forever. But okay, he went

807
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: put it in and then called and said it's in

808
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: this book because it was.

809
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: Eleven months and then it was just waiting for some

810
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: engineer student to go check this book out.

811
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: And like smart people will get this. No, no, no,

812
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: I think you just rolled on up to the library

813
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 3: and listen. Oh wait, I think totally right. I don't know. No,

814
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: I think he was like, this is an obscure one, but.

815
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: Maybe like someday, yeah, some lucky nerd, some love number.

816
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: This isn't a post secret book where they like hide

817
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: people hide their real secrets.

818
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: Listen. Uh, that was fucked up. I'm glad you did

819
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: that one.

820
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: I feel like we don't do like famous serial killers

821
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot, but there's still such interesting stories like Ted Bundy.

822
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: It's like we have a lot.

823
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 7: I grew up north of Seattle, and there's there's like, yeah,

824
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 7: you guys know you're not in Northwest.

825
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. It's something. Yeah, you guys got the rain.

826
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, loneliness, loneliness, depression, control, not enough people getting laid.

827
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 3: I don't know, so many layers of clothing all the time. Yes,

828
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: it's that wool that scratches on you until you kill.

829
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: So did you do you remember a lot of this

830
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: from when you York? He well, I remember we had

831
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: the Green River killer, right, Yeah? Yeah. Did you hear

832
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: a lot about it?

833
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 6: Oh?

834
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was like in the news all the time,

835
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 7: like another body found, another body found, another body found.

836
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 7: And then I heard a story that I don't know,

837
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 7: you guys might know more about this, but that apparently

838
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 7: his co workers at the gas or wherever the car

839
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 7: mechanic place that he worked at, would joke that they

840
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 7: would be they'd be like, dudes, the green ribor killer.

841
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: No, because he's so boring.

842
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 7: I think, if you know what, there's like the sense

843
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 7: there's the sense of creepiness that we're taught to ignore,

844
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 7: and especially as women. Yeah, and like because we want

845
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 7: to be polite, we want to be kind, but some

846
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 7: maybe somewhere in us.

847
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: There's that little tug of like.

848
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 7: Oh yeah that one, Yeah, surprise, I might be a

849
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 7: little creepy.

850
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: Maybe he should avoid that. The eyes are bad on

851
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: that one. That's what I always thinking, or bad eyes. Yeah,

852
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: well there.

853
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: And also it's that like overly nice creepy that you

854
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: can't really explain. It's the same thing of when like

855
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: when the guys who put girls who when a girl

856
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: puts you in the friend zone, they're like, you don't

857
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: want a nice guy, and it's like, no, we don't

858
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: want to creep Who's like, who's being nice to us?

859
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 8: Not?

860
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: I don't know where I'm going on no one who

861
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: has an agenda. Agenda that's so yeah, yeah.

862
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're back, Karen, update us please, there are

863
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: some updates.

864
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: Chris Pratt is a crazy.

865
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: Christian now, I mean sorry for the BTK case. In

866
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, police named Dennis Raiders a suspect in

867
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: the disappearance of Oklahoma teenager Cynthia don Kinney and the

868
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: murder of twenty two year old Shawna Beth Garber in Missouri.

869
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: No charges have been filed due to lack of strong evidence.

870
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: But what a horrible realization for the people working on

871
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: that case, for the family of those people, where it's

872
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 2: like they could have been the victim of one of

873
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: the worst serial killers we've ever seen.

874
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: Whenever these people get caught, it's always like this thing

875
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: of where did they travel to on for work or

876
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: on vacation.

877
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: We need to look into those places too.

878
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: It's those things are so chilling to me that it's

879
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: just like anywhere this monster virus of a person went,

880
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: he infected or possibly affected where.

881
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: He was and how he started. So it's that thing

882
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: of when they always say, like Hayden.

883
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 3: Start by killing an entire family.

884
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: And getting away with it, yes, totally like how did

885
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 2: this begin?

886
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: Totally?

887
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So we briefly speculated in this episode why Dennis

888
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: Raider didn't get the death penalty, and it's because Kansas

889
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: didn't have capital punishment at the time, but it was

890
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: reinstated in the mid nineties. So he's still serving ten

891
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: consecutive life sentences and his earliest possible release is in

892
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: twenty one eighty and considering the fact that right now

893
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: he's eighty years old, he'll die in prison. And one

894
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: of my favorite parts of the Netflix series mind Hunter,

895
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: which if you haven't watched it.

896
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: In a while, God, it's so good.

897
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: He is the ADT killer. He is that mysterious nice

898
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: plot that runs through and is so creepy and killing

899
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: so bad. Also, there's a documentary on Netflix called My Father,

900
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: the BTK Killer from October twenty twenty five, and it

901
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: centers on the experiences and memories of Dennis Raider's daughter, Carrie.

902
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: Rosson and so she it's based on her book, A

903
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: Serial Killer's Daughter, which I read, which is incredible. It's

904
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: such a creepy, fucking story and she's a great storyteller.

905
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: I highly recommend her book.

906
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: And also iHeart released a podcast in January twenty twenty

907
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: five called Monster BTK. So if you want the whole

908
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: story or you just want to go back and get

909
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: the details, you can listen to that.

910
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get back into the episode where

911
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: we play a game from on a show called Dating

912
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: deal Breakers.

913
00:44:51,680 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: I love it. This is fun. Okay, sim passed me

914
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: my note sheet. Here are we supposed to? Yeah?

915
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 5: This is my subtle like transition.

916
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: Used to be way better you did.

917
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 6: He'd a very strange show, by the way, it's a

918
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 6: very strange Stugwe how do we go from that murder

919
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 6: to relationship deal breakers?

920
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: I mean serial killer relationship deal breaker? Okay? Okay, so

921
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: imagine your single deal breakers? Righty uh? He calls spaghetti Paschetti. Nope,

922
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: goodbye bye. He gets his balls professionally waxed every month. No,

923
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: that's polite. Shave him waxing his fucking what's the word?

924
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: It's torture. Maybe he's he likes it though it's part

925
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: of it. Shave them, shave them. It seems like there

926
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: would be an awful lot of cuts. No, calm down, Okay, great,

927
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: he thinks oj was framed. Oh that's you're like asking

928
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: us to say yes to the question.

929
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: No, Karen, I mean I feel like these days, with

930
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: all these documentaries come out, it's hard to know you

931
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: have to really stay neutral on a lot of things

932
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: you love.

933
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: You can still go out with this fella. I mean,

934
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: it's fine.

935
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: If he's passionately yelling about it in my face constantly,

936
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: then no, then I say singular passion.

937
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: I love nothing more than to argue loudly at a

938
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: bar with people about something I don't even tell. I

939
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: was yelling at Vince We're talking about aliens at a bar,

940
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: and he was like, I really don't like doing this.

941
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I'm wait, are you

942
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: pro or calling aliens?

943
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

944
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on what what side I'm arguing. Oh,

945
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: I'm pro you're just doing whatever you're just arguing. Yeah,

946
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: I'm pro.

947
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 7: I like the idea that you know, we're not like

948
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 7: this singular, like the sort of abyss of loneliness, just

949
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 7: that there's other you're doing.

950
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: Okay, we're there, we're all together, we're all together.

951
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, there's other things out there. We gotta believe it.

952
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 5: Okay.

953
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 7: During sex, he puts his finger up your butt without asking.

954
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 5: Oh something, clarify, Yeah, without asking?

955
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, first time? Are we talking like seventh time? Let's

956
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: say it's fourth time I need to be asked. I

957
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 3: need to be asked.

958
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 5: It's a weird ass.

959
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 3: It's a weird ass.

960
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 7: Georgia, may I put my index finger up your anus.

961
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna go pass on that. Karen's being real

962
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: quiet on this one. I'm just thinking. I'm thinking of

963
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm just so fantasizing, you know, guys, it's all sensation.

964
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: I feel like our culture really makes us feel bad.

965
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: About so I am so with you on that. So

966
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: we know your answers too, proud yesses or whatever.

967
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 6: Not.

968
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 7: Okay, he eats placenta in his shape every morning he's

969
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 7: got a hook up.

970
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: You know laterly died or me not guy like lady

971
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: or animal.

972
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wolf placenta.

973
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 2: So then yes, because then it's I'm gonna go ahead

974
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: and say firm no on this.

975
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: There's take vitamins. I don't think that's the way you

976
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: have to do. So many vitamins out there.

977
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 7: Okay, guys, but you know there's immortality involved.

978
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 5: Oh there, But you can still.

979
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: Get hit by a car even if you eat placenta, yes, sir,

980
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: now right, no, no, what not? If you eat it every.

981
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Day, you jump right over that car, you become immune

982
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: to cars.

983
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 3: That's amazing. No, I want to eat placenta every day.

984
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 3: Keep I want more fun. That was fun. That was fun. Okay,

985
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: we're back. Pischetti still an ick. I think we call

986
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 3: it the ick now, Yes, that's right.

987
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: It's been commodified, it's been instagrammed. But yeah, that one

988
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: was We all felt very strongly about that one. It

989
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: was very That's how we knew for a fact that

990
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: we were all automatic friends.

991
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: Was oj framed Aliens bedroom habit?

992
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: So funny?

993
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was pretty pretty great. I could do

994
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: that all day long, deal breakers, like especially what was

995
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: almost ten years ago. So I had real strong opinions

996
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: because I was in my thirties and that's what you

997
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: fucking do.

998
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: And you didn't realize how you were being perceived at

999
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: all times, and people are going to tell you back

1000
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: on the internet.

1001
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: It wasn't a private conversation between me, you and Anna Faris. No.

1002
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: No, well, this conversation too, was really funny because it's

1003
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: like I remember very distinctly, I'd already made the mistake

1004
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: of having a situation like this where we like went

1005
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: all in on a podcast on someone who basically a

1006
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: woman was asking for advice and it involved another woman

1007
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: and we were just like, yeah, she's this and that,

1008
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: and then that woman wrote in and so I was like, oh,

1009
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: I made this terrible mistake and she was like I

1010
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: was a listener of yours and all that kind of

1011
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: stuff where we were like, I'm rid of mercy? Is

1012
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: a real what we just really opened on a person

1013
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: we don't know.

1014
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's what you do on these on podcast

1015
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's part of the fun, is I

1016
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: don't ever want to even that's not true exactly.

1017
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: We're just kind of saying what you think off the dome.

1018
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: And then someone's like, you're literally talking about me and

1019
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: I'm listening to talk about me, which is.

1020
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: Like, right, sorry, thank you.

1021
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: I have a deal breaker that I think has changed

1022
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: since when it was a big deal to me when

1023
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: I got actually yelled at by someone on the internet

1024
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: from it who later apologized.

1025
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: But it's a.

1026
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: Deal breaker would be if someone shared custody of a

1027
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: pet with their exhuh huh. And now that I have

1028
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: cookie and I'm and.

1029
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: You're getting a divorce. Please don't tell me this.

1030
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: No, but it's like I'm like, never walk away from Cookie. Right,

1031
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Wait a second, I would never walk away from Vince.

1032
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: First and foremost has given VINCEA and I are wonderful.

1033
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm saying this that we weren't. We're

1034
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: so good, but the given part is Vince. However, like, yeah, you, yes,

1035
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

1036
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: Just be like, bye, here's our dog.

1037
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: Right, So now I kind of get that I'm as

1038
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: an old as I get older.

1039
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's yes, perspective changing totally totally.

1040
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: You do you have one that you now are okay with?

1041
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: Are not okay with? Is there a new deal breaker

1042
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: in your life?

1043
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 3: I love Pascatti.

1044
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: Can you imagine I love when men men talk like children? No,

1045
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: I think it's the overall carefulness of talking on a

1046
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: podcast where you say all things are this way. I

1047
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: mean hearing my answers in this. I was just like,

1048
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: you have learned some hard lessons about your big opinions

1049
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: where just like, well, to be fair, and it's just

1050
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: like who the.

1051
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: Fuck is saying now that listens to podcasts to get

1052
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: both sides of the story, like you listen because you

1053
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: want that person's opinion on something.

1054
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: Yes, big and loud, and they're being real in themselves.

1055
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: But it's like, but then if a bunch of people

1056
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: are paying attention, they're like, well, here's my perfect end

1057
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: to say you're the worst person ever. And then we

1058
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: were in that place where we're just.

1059
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: Like are we the worst people ever? Like this is terrible?

1060
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: This is blah blah blah, and it's like, now with

1061
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: all this perspective, I'm just like, yeah, I think we

1062
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 2: went back to saying our opinion, being able to make jokes.

1063
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: And it's like the people that don't like us, the

1064
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: people that wouldn't like the Chris Proud is a crazy

1065
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: Christian comments like, well, I'm stating a fact.

1066
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: And I'm not podcasting for them.

1067
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: No, there's other podcasts for you, and they're crazy Christian

1068
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: podcasts and you can go fucking listen to them.

1069
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: And also, please remember the element of bots. Please remember

1070
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: the element of bots in all Internet interactions. No, no, no,

1071
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: the audience, so the listener, because I think people come

1072
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: to the Internet with a very sincere like I'm here

1073
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: saying my real opinion and that's what this person with

1074
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: no picture and a bunch of numbers in their name

1075
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: is also doing and it's like this has it's ruined

1076
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: our country the way people have paid attention and given

1077
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: credit to bots.

1078
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: Everyone's got an opinion in an asshole except for bots.

1079
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: They have neither, and you shouldn't listen to either of them.

1080
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: What wait?

1081
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: Okay, now we're gonna head back and take another advice

1082
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: call with Anna.

1083
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 6: So we're gonna actually move on to an advice call

1084
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 6: right now. We're gonna call Katie and she's in LA

1085
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 6: and she's twenty five.

1086
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Hello, Hey Katie, it's sim How are

1087
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 3: you Hi?

1088
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 12: I'm good, How are you?

1089
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 5: Here's Anna?

1090
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 9: Hi Katie, Hi, Anna.

1091
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 6: We have two really special guests here. We have Karen

1092
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 6: and Georgia from my favorite murder.

1093
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: Hi.

1094
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 7: Hi, Gods the fuck up?

1095
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 5: You shut up? Do you know who they are? So

1096
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 5: I take it you know who they are?

1097
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1098
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 12: No, I literally only listen to like three podcasts and

1099
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 12: one is Ana's and one of my favorite murders.

1100
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, definitely know who you guys are.

1101
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, who are we competing with? Yeah? Who's the third?

1102
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 2: Uh?

1103
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 9: Do you know my brother?

1104
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 5: My brother jobs is great?

1105
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 12: Yeah of course, yeah, that's my my third excellent.

1106
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 6: Well, Katie, tell us why your boyfriend's co worker is

1107
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 6: making you feel uncomfortable.

1108
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, so, just a little background.

1109
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 12: My boyfriend, uh and I've been dating for five and

1110
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 12: a half years. We've known each other since preschool. We're

1111
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 12: best friends, you know, the whole thing. I moved to

1112
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 12: LA in January.

1113
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: For a job.

1114
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 7: Uh.

1115
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 9: He moved after me. We moved in together.

1116
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 12: He got a job also, which I was really excited about.

1117
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 12: I was kind of nervous about him moving with me.

1118
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 12: I didn't want there to be any resentment if he

1119
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 12: like hated La or anything like that. So he eventually

1120
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 12: starts kind of you know, making friends at work and

1121
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 12: going out with coworkers.

1122
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 9: And things like that.

1123
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 12: And Uh, there's one guy that would just kind of

1124
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 12: make snide comments about like if my boyfriend and I

1125
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 12: already had plans, you know, to make dinner or something

1126
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 12: that night and he was out with them at a bar,

1127
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 12: he would say, you know, okay, guys, I gotta you know,

1128
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 12: head home, like Katie and I are having dinner together,

1129
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 12: And the guy would just kind of make these comments like, oh, yeah,

1130
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 12: I gotta get back and like make dinner for your

1131
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 12: girlfriend and blah blah blah, like or got it, you know.

1132
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 9: You're whipped or whatever, like she's like, I don't know,

1133
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 9: things like that.

1134
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 12: And he would make these comments in front of all

1135
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 12: of the guys that they hang out with, and then

1136
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 12: eventually he kind of started making them in front of me.

1137
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 9: To like to me directly.

1138
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 12: So like, for example, one night, we all went out

1139
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 12: to a bar for one of their birthdays and my

1140
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 12: boyfriend and I are going to leave and the guy

1141
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 12: comes up to me and you know, like hugs me goodbye,

1142
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 12: and he's like, you know, thank you so much for

1143
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 12: actually letting him come out with us tonight and.

1144
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 9: Stuff like that. It was like, what's the uf, dude?

1145
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 9: Like I mean, And it's kind of.

1146
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 12: One of those things where, like I in any other

1147
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 12: like friendship, if someone were you know, ragging on me

1148
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 12: like that, someone that I actually knew, I'd.

1149
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 9: Be like, okay, well, like fuck off whatever, I don't care.

1150
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 12: But like it's kind of a situation where I don't

1151
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 12: know this person and it's like a new coworker, and

1152
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 12: I don't want to like.

1153
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 9: Jeopardize his friendships.

1154
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 12: And things like that, and so I don't really know

1155
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 12: how to handle it.

1156
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 9: I guess is my question here.

1157
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 5: I know, let's just go down the line.

1158
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: You guys go first, well, what does what does your

1159
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 2: boyfriend say when.

1160
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 3: Did talk about it?

1161
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, so he's he's.

1162
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 12: Very non confrontational, Like I would definitely say that I

1163
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 12: am the person to be like fuck off. He's kind

1164
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 12: of the person to just ignore it and not pay

1165
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 12: attention to it, not really like give it life.

1166
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 9: I guess you could say. So he's kind of the

1167
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 9: one that's just like ohm haha, I hate.

1168
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 5: That so much. That makes me so angry.

1169
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, my husband's like that.

1170
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 9: So me too, because I've definitely confrontational. I'm like, yeah,

1171
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 9: say cometh the beast.

1172
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: About the fucker? That's my first thought. No, is he

1173
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 3: defending you at all?

1174
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 12: I mean I don't really know. I haven't been in

1175
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 12: front of that. Like, I mean, he didn't hear it

1176
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 12: whenever the guy said it to me personally.

1177
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 6: So I so he laughs it off because he because

1178
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 6: he's afraid, like oh, he's a professional connection and he'll

1179
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 6: laugh it off and he'll go back home. You'll just

1180
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 6: kind of take it. But inside it, I'm sure it

1181
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 6: really hurts him and it hurts you. It's completely disrespectful.

1182
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 12: I hate this guy, right, I guess to me, like

1183
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 12: because whenever we've kind of talked about in one on

1184
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 12: one here, he's just kind.

1185
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 9: Of like, well, if I don't feel like.

1186
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 12: You're controlling or that I'm with or we have something

1187
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 12: wrong in our relationships, then why does it matter what

1188
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 12: this random guy thinks?

1189
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 9: I guess, which I get.

1190
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 12: But at the same time, it's just kind of like

1191
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 12: I don't know what to fay to this dude, and

1192
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 12: I wish that I could have something to like give

1193
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 12: my boyfriend that's non confrontational, to like be like hey man,

1194
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 12: maybe like gently fuck off kind of thing.

1195
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1196
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 6: No, he has to say that he has I would

1197
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 6: tell him to completely fuck off, That's what I would say.

1198
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 6: But yeah, but I get it. He has a job

1199
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 6: and it's his coworker.

1200
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried cupping his face in your hands

1201
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: and saying who hurt you? And you could do something

1202
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: like that, because it really does sound like a person

1203
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: who is either jealous of you, like kind of into

1204
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: your boyfriend. There's a lot of possibilities going on, but

1205
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: the idea that you would be actively trying to pick

1206
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: on someone because they have a relationship is very it

1207
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: doesn't is not a good sign for you as a

1208
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: person if that's something you feel the need to do.

1209
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: And I feel like there's something to be revealed in

1210
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: that guy, and maybe your boyfriend gets the sense that

1211
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: he's like one of those agro dudes that he just

1212
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: doesn't want to like start anything with.

1213
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: I bet this guy the minute your boyfriend and I

1214
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: want to say it bothers me that he's being called

1215
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: a friend and your boyfriend doesn't want to fuck with

1216
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: the friend and you don't want to ruin his friendship.

1217
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 3: That guy's not a friend.

1218
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: And the minute I bet your boyfriend, who absolutely should

1219
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: say something to him, says something, this kit will fucking

1220
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: start crying.

1221
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: Like, I bet he's so fragile. I don't think. I

1222
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: don't think his feelings should be taken into consideration.

1223
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 7: Don't we think that like somebody's like, don't you think

1224
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 7: that he loves her or like lust after her?

1225
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: Like is either her or him? Yeah, there's something I

1226
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: think her there's jealousy. I think it's Katie.

1227
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 7: Like I think that the dude is like like lusting

1228
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 7: after Katie want lady.

1229
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,959
Speaker 5: No, I don't. I don't agree with any of you, guys,

1230
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 5: I really think that this guy.

1231
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 9: Is just any fun attractive.

1232
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: I totally feel that from you. I can hear.

1233
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: I feel like the minute though you put like this

1234
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: romantic spin on it, and oh he's listening, like then

1235
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: it's like he deserves some kind of kindness, which if

1236
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: he is in love with you and lusting after you,

1237
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: well that's his fucking problem and he's showing it the

1238
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: wrong way. And that's that's just this this whole thing.

1239
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: I feel like, there needs to be a way to

1240
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: explain to your boyfriend how much this effect and ye minute,

1241
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: he needs to know that you're the person he should

1242
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: be defending, not this fucking doucheback.

1243
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would.

1244
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 7: Bother me a lot.

1245
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: Also, that kind of that young dude thing of like,

1246
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: oh you're whipped or you go home and eat dinner together.

1247
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: Therefore that's a.

1248
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: Bad thing, right, It's indicative of a mindset that isn't

1249
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 2: healthy and isn't good like that. Those are those kinds

1250
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: of guys who are like women do this to men

1251
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: or whatever, and he's so comfortable saying it and quote

1252
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: unquote joking about it.

1253
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: That's that's another thing that.

1254
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: I don't know when I'm ending time, I'm around guys

1255
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: that are like that, where I just am like, I

1256
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: just want to get away from that person. Like maybe

1257
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: that's not to defend the boyfriend so much, but maybe

1258
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: he's just getting a sense of like, this isn't one

1259
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: of those guys you want to get on the bad

1260
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: side of, and so it's putting him in this weird position.

1261
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: I was with a guy a long time ago in

1262
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: my early twenties, and his best friend told him He's.

1263
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: Like, oh, you're so pussy whipped.

1264
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 7: And then the dude told me that that the best

1265
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 7: friend said that, and I had such complicated feelings because

1266
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 7: it was like, well, what are you trying to get

1267
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 7: out of me that you would tell me that?

1268
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 3: And also, what the fuck is this, dude?

1269
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 7: Maybe you'll I don't know, it's it's you're right, Karen,

1270
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 7: that it's that way of communicating that feels really youthful

1271
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 7: and also and manipulative and and weird and filled with envy.

1272
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, like envy and angry.

1273
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's also the thing of like, oh, I'm joking,

1274
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: I'm joking at like hiding behind a joke, but.

1275
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 3: You're checking it tightening out.

1276
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: Right but you're actually just sending a real message, which

1277
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: is let him do what he wants in fuck off, Katie.

1278
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but and I don't mean to, like,

1279
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to diminish your relationship at all, because

1280
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: maybe you're so crazy about your boyfriend that you want

1281
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: to marry him and be with him forever or whatever.

1282
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 7: But I do I think that the fact that there's

1283
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 7: a little bit of a bro before hoe culture happening here,

1284
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 7: can I say so that's not safe for you.

1285
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: Something I noticed too, like way in the beginning that

1286
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: I that might be connected is when you said that

1287
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: he moved here for you, and you want you to

1288
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: feel bad if he wasn't happy here, and so you

1289
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: don't want to get in the way. It's not your

1290
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: responsibility to make sure that a decision he made is

1291
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: Then you know it's not on you for him to

1292
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: be happy. So you being annoyed that this person he

1293
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: works with who's not even his friend, like gets upset

1294
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: with him, isn't your responsibility In the same way that

1295
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: him finding a life and being happy here after he

1296
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: made a decision to move here. It's not your responsibility either,

1297
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: which is a hard thing. To I can't deal with

1298
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: that at all, and learning it in therapy, but like

1299
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: it's just none of that is your responsibility. You have

1300
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: yourself to worry about.

1301
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we have to start.

1302
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very true.

1303
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 7: Thinking a little bit more individually, like like collectively as women.

1304
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 7: And I was going to say a little more like men,

1305
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 7: but that also feels I feel like we're handing over

1306
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,479
Speaker 7: power there. But I think in general, don't you guys

1307
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 7: think that, like we like it's important to impart on

1308
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 7: because for years I would think about just how my

1309
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 7: identity through men. Yeah, And and I think it's important

1310
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 7: to sort of explore the idea of like let's not

1311
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 7: let's not fucking do that anymore. Let's like, let's think

1312
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 7: about ourselves. Let's be selfish. You know, my mom always

1313
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 7: said selfish and love selfish. It's just like but selfish. Yeah, yeah,

1314
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 7: selfish is a good word for it.

1315
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 5: Well.

1316
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 7: But but because I think we have to redefine everything,

1317
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 7: like as a gender. Yeah, I also wonder if you've

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01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 7: discussed it in this way, if you had this group

1319
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 7: of girlfriends that you were going out with and there

1320
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 7: was one that was giving him shit about hanging around

1321
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 7: and like why don't you leave her alone? And how

1322
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 7: would he feel if it was going back the other

1323
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 7: way and not even not even like a demand of

1324
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 7: a to me right now, but think of what this

1325
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 7: would be like if this exact situation was flipped and

1326
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 7: it was happening to you.

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Speaker 3: Just put yourself in my shoes.

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01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 2: Because I also think there's that thing of you know,

1329
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: they say that like when there's a problem, guys freak

1330
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: out and they want to fix it. They don't, you know,

1331
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: they just it's like he doesn't know how to fix

1332
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: it and it's a work thing and it's like very problematic.

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01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: So his his solution is just don't let this be

1334
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: a problem to you.

1335
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 3: But really, I think what he needs to.

1336
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: Think about is is you like we're saying, and how

1337
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: it affects you? And how would it feel to him

1338
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: if there was somebody kind of letting him know that

1339
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't welcome and that he's a bummer.

1340
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: But you know that like your friends think he's a bummer.

1341
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 3: That's so shitty.

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01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like I I

1343
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 12: definitely know how that situation would go, because, like I said,

1344
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 12: I don't care about telling people to fuck off or whatever.

1345
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 9: But I haven't really presented the idea to him.

1346
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 12: Like that, like reverse like said to him specifically, you

1347
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 12: know if this for happening to you, I would have

1348
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 12: your back kind of thing. Yeah, So yeah, that might

1349
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 12: be an interesting It'll.

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 7: Be it'll be a revealing test, like with your boyfriend

1351
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 7: a little bit like how he sort of absorbs if

1352
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 7: you if you can be honest with him about all

1353
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 7: of this and and and really and like have a

1354
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 7: long conversation about it, it'll be a revealing test for

1355
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 7: how he respects you, and do you respect yourself and

1356
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 7: you respect the relationship?

1357
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's like the first thing I was thinking

1358
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: of is the fear that this guy is voicing something

1359
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: that your boyfriend might not be able to say and

1360
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: that I think might be where the pain is coming from.

1361
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 3: And so it'd be like if.

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: This guy stops talking, then that means that whole idea

1363
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: is gone. But really that fear is just like is

1364
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: this actually an issue?

1365
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 3: Here? Is this? You know? Do you need? Is it?

1366
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: Are you unable to talk about that? You want to

1367
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: spend less time together? So it's now we're introducing somebody

1368
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: that's introducing the ideas, so that he's not a part

1369
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: of it, and I obviously don't know you and don't

1370
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: know anything about it. But that's I always think about

1371
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: that when I in relationships focus on things that later

1372
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: on I realize I was just focusing on something else

1373
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: because I didn't want to like put my hands on

1374
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: what the real problem was.

1375
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, no, I mean I've never really considered that, but

1376
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 12: that would make a lot of sense. I also have

1377
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 12: like a lot of like I really try very hard

1378
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 12: not to be controlling in any way.

1379
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 9: Or anything like that. I mean, I don't feel like

1380
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 9: I really am.

1381
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 12: Anyway, but I do make it a point just because

1382
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 12: like his last girlfriend was kind of like just fucking

1383
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 12: nuts and would like like not even let him hang

1384
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 12: out with guys alone or anything like that, Like would

1385
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 12: have to just be present, like with him all the

1386
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 12: time if he was going to be doing anything social.

1387
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: Just remember that that's that's what he presented to you,

1388
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: Like if you talk to her and heard her side

1389
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: of the stride that and like you don't have to

1390
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: be the chill girl, like I feel like we all

1391
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: try so hard to be, Like I don't care, I'm

1392
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: so fucking chill, you know, And you're allowed to have

1393
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: your emotions, and one of those emotions sometimes is pissed.

1394
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 3: Watch a ton of porn.

1395
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 12: Yeah I love Oh no, I'm definitely crazy, Like I'm

1396
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 12: definitely a crazy girl when he knows that so long.

1397
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: But then sometimes it's also like, I think a good

1398
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: way to approach an issue that you have instead of,

1399
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, being pissed off, is to go, my feelings

1400
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: are really hurt by this thing, and here's why. And

1401
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,959
Speaker 1: someone can't get I feel like if you someone gets

1402
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: mad at you for saying I have really hurt feelings

1403
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: and this makes me really sad, and they get mad

1404
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: at you for it, that's not on you.

1405
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, and Katie, you know, yeah, don't don't be afraid

1406
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 7: of the future.

1407
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 3: You're young. Yeah, you're in LA.

1408
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 7: There's a lot of amazing people out there. Don't feel

1409
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 7: afraid to like, feel your independence. If not everything, if

1410
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 7: things are right, I made that mistake. I think a

1411
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 7: little bit like feeling like I'm checking my relationship off

1412
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 7: the list. And and if that would be the like

1413
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 7: the final advice that I could give you would be like, no,

1414
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 7: know your worth, know your independence, Know that you're young,

1415
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 7: and there's so many people out there there's so there's

1416
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 7: so much life experience.

1417
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: I hope you get to live.

1418
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 7: It all and uh and you know, and and experience

1419
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 7: a whole lot of people, and life is too short

1420
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,879
Speaker 7: for you to be in relationships where you're not feeling

1421
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 7: like this isn't fully this isn't fully right, or somebody

1422
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 7: doesn't have your back, or somebody doesn't value you in

1423
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 7: every way, because I view this as a bigger problem

1424
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 7: with you and your boyfriend than anything else, and so

1425
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 7: so please please take that and and hopefully I don't

1426
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 7: know that that's the Katie.

1427
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 5: Are you good with this advice?

1428
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1429
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: I guess, I mean, do you know what I'm saying? Though,

1430
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: like have have yeh conversation.

1431
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 12: I also just was curious, like, I don't know how

1432
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 12: to if he if this guy the coworker were to

1433
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 12: say something to me again in person. I guess I'm

1434
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 12: just confused about how.

1435
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 5: To what do you say to you in person?

1436
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 12: He was like, oh, thanks so much for letting like

1437
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 12: your boyfriend come out tonight.

1438
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 5: And your boyfriend didn't say anything to him.

1439
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 9: He didn't hear him. He literally said it, like in

1440
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 9: my ears, it.

1441
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 7: Sounds like he's hitting on you, but it also sounds

1442
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 7: like if your boyfriend doesn't understand, like like if you

1443
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 7: can't be honest with him and have a good because listen,

1444
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 7: like shit, tons of people are going to hit on you, Katie.

1445
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 3: We live in fucking la It's going to happen all

1446
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 3: the time.

1447
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 7: But the bigger, the bigger thing, in my opinion, is

1448
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 7: the relationship with your boyfriend. And if he isn't he

1449
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 7: if he isn't fully empathetic, then that's something that you

1450
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 7: that's on you. Then then you need to examine do

1451
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 7: I want to spend time? Do I want to invest

1452
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 7: time in this relationship?

1453
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: And I need of the nuts in the meantime is

1454
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: a great fucking way to shut someone up, you know

1455
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1456
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 7: But I hope that you know that, like like the

1457
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 7: coworker truly aside, Yeah, he's a creep and he wants

1458
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 7: to fuck you, and but there's gonna be a gazillion

1459
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 7: of those experiences that you'll have throughout the years here.

1460
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 7: So I just think that the bigger question is the

1461
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 7: relationship with your boyfriend. And that's my very strong opinion.

1462
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 7: I'm very unqualified to do any of this, say.

1463
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 5: Katie, thank you so much, for hanging out with us tonight.

1464
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, will you give me so much?

1465
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 9: Stay sexy, don't get murdered.

1466
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 12: And fuck you sim all right, thanks guy bye.

1467
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 5: All right, that's going to end part one.

1468
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 6: So next week we have part two where Anna will

1469
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 6: start off with your favorite Murder and then Georgia we

1470
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 6: have yours.

1471
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 5: We have one more call and then let's take a

1472
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 5: little break and we'll be right back or next week.

1473
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: All right, we're back. I think that was pretty advice

1474
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 3: me too, very balanced, very fair yep. Okay.

1475
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 2: So this episode was originally titled The MFM an Unqualified

1476
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: with on a Fairis Crossover Part one.

1477
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 3: So what we would call it today?

1478
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: I want to say, and I think this says a

1479
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: lot about where we were and where we thought we were.

1480
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: We would actually call it the My Favorite Murder and

1481
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: Unqualified with on a Fairis Crossover. But I think we

1482
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: might dumbed ourselves down a little and were.

1483
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 3: Like, oh, we're just we're MFM. Let's just go over here.

1484
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: Oh you would put every single word in the spaces

1485
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: and not.

1486
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, but give ourselves credit instead of

1487
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: just being like but whatever, okay, or if we.

1488
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: Were naming it today or the creepiest natural history museum,

1489
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 2: because basically that's what she said. She wanted her house

1490
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: to feel like.

1491
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: That's right or most efficient way to podcast, which is

1492
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: what we were doing.

1493
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, her joke or last people you should be asking,

1494
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: which was my joke about we're asking us questions about

1495
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 2: anything legal or judicial whatsoever.

1496
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 3: Please don't do that.

1497
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 2: And look, that was this week's rewind. We did it.

1498
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week for the thrilling conclusion of

1499
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: the my favorite murder. Yeah, there you go, slash on

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01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: a Faris is unqualified crossover.

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01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 3: Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you

1502
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 3: want a cookie