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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for the final chapter and Or
Speaker 2: season two episodes ten through twelve, so big spoilers be warned.
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Speaker 1: Plus this episode. I can't believe it's already here. It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel real. It is the final episodes of Andor,
Speaker 1: and that means the final episodes full stop.
Speaker 3: I kept watching the show and thinking, oh, we'll see
Speaker 3: these characters. No wrong, this is the final episode of
Speaker 3: a who knows, who knows?
Speaker 4: Whether we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I would. There's lots of people I
Speaker 3: like to see it.
Speaker 4: Claia, Claia.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that and more once we get into
Speaker 3: our recap of the final three episodes of Andor.
Speaker 2: Okay, episode two ten and Or season two. It is
Speaker 2: one year before the Battle of Yavin. A message alert
Speaker 2: flashes at Luthen's shop. Meanwhile, Lannie is heading into the
Speaker 2: office while Luthen and Claire are also preparing for some
Speaker 2: sort of operation. It's clear that a bunch of different
Speaker 2: strands are converging. And remember this is now some time
Speaker 2: after mon Mathma has been spirited off the planet. The
Speaker 2: Empire is really cracking down now, particularly on Coruscant, the capitol,
Speaker 2: and everybody is on edge. Luthan and Clea are armed,
Speaker 2: and Luthan all but says goodbye to her, like every
Speaker 2: time they part. You get the feeling certainly that Luthan thinks,
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe I don't come back, maybe we don't
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 4: Because it's so tense right now. He goes to meet Lonnie.
Speaker 2: Lonnie says Deirdre is about to launch a mission aimed
Speaker 2: at finding spies, namely Luthan's network, who they're focused on.
Speaker 2: And worse, Lonnie says, I'm burned. It's only a matter
Speaker 2: of time before, like a matter of hours really before
Speaker 2: they before they know it's me, and I need to
Speaker 2: get out. I need to get out now, because we've
Speaker 2: got maybe I don't know, an hour to an hour
Speaker 2: and a half before they know it's me. And he's like,
Speaker 2: I need to get out of here. We need to
Speaker 2: discuss my exit strategy, which you had promised me, and you.
Speaker 4: Need we need to discress.
Speaker 2: I got to get my family out and tells me right,
Speaker 2: and he tells Luthen, here's here's what's going on. I've
Speaker 2: had Deirdre's computer codes for a year. I've been in
Speaker 2: across all of her messages, everything on her computer. I
Speaker 2: didn't tell you because I knew if I told you, you
Speaker 2: would have pushed me to use it sooner. Which, by
Speaker 2: the way, Lonnie, you probably should have told him, because
Speaker 2: maybe what happens now would not have happened any.
Speaker 1: If you'd have given him a little bit more leeway,
Speaker 1: like yea little bit more lead in a little bit
Speaker 1: more knowledge.
Speaker 2: So Lonnie found something huge, like physically huge and uh
Speaker 2: and in terms of galactic politics huge. Uh it is
Speaker 2: we were about to found out find out the shadow
Speaker 2: of the Death Star in information and intelligence.
Speaker 4: And he says.
Speaker 2: Basically because Luthan is like, well, how do you know
Speaker 2: that they're not on you right now? And he says,
Speaker 2: if they were on me right now, I'd be dead,
Speaker 2: I'd be gone. And so then Luthen pushes, what is
Speaker 2: this thing? What did you find? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And so Lonnie in a rush puts all the pieces together. Gorman,
Speaker 2: what did we need on Gorman, the calkite Jetta, the crystals,
Speaker 2: the kyber on Jetta, what did we need that for?
Speaker 2: Scaref is involved in this. Also, there's an imperial and
Speaker 2: scientist named Galen Er. So it all ties back to
Speaker 2: some massive weapons project, some huge super weapon that the
Speaker 2: Empire is making, and they needed all these ingredients from
Speaker 2: these different planets in different places to put this all together.
Speaker 2: And then Luthen tells Lannie, Okay, I'll get.
Speaker 4: You to Yavin.
Speaker 2: We'll get you out of here once I get what
Speaker 2: I need, he says, and then off camera he kills Lannie.
Speaker 4: He shoots him.
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, luthn Is has been ruthless.
Speaker 2: He killed Tay, He's done stuff. This is the first
Speaker 2: time where I'm like, wow, I don't know about this one, Luthan,
Speaker 2: I really don't. I really don't know about this one,
Speaker 2: because Lannie he is part of the Empire now every
Speaker 2: turn he has been there, and every turn. You know,
Speaker 2: it was him that put Luthan on the double agent
Speaker 2: in bail Organa's group that was gonna arrest man Mathma
Speaker 2: before she could make the speech right afterwards, and it
Speaker 2: was him feeding him information all the time about Gorman,
Speaker 2: letting him know something's going on Gorman. And now here
Speaker 2: he is giving you all the evidence you need to
Speaker 2: put together the Death Star project to understand that the
Speaker 2: Empire is working on this super weapon, and you kill him.
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty tough. I think it's pretty great.
Speaker 1: I think it's brutal, But I will say Luthen at
Speaker 1: this point has realized like, this is the thing, this
Speaker 1: is the thing I gotta make sure no one else
Speaker 1: finds out about. And they know that they have this
Speaker 1: torture instrument and the doctor who can torture info out
Speaker 1: of people. And I think this is a tying up,
Speaker 1: loose sentence, but it is incredibly.
Speaker 3: Ruthless and shows you just how committed.
Speaker 2: I also think is we saw him begin to crack
Speaker 2: up in the previous three episodes, the pressure getting to him,
Speaker 2: the way he's arguing with Claya, the way he's was
Speaker 2: saying to her, you know, I told you it was
Speaker 2: bad idea to put the bug in there. And the
Speaker 2: pressure is only ratcheted up now. And I think he's
Speaker 2: in such a fatalistic mood that he doesn't think any
Speaker 2: of them are getting.
Speaker 3: Out, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Claia and Luthen discuss this, that they're pulling on these threads,
Speaker 2: but they're not really sure where they go, and they
Speaker 2: separate and say, okay, we're gonna meet up later. Luthen
Speaker 2: goes back to the shop to destroy the communications equipment,
Speaker 2: pouring acid on it.
Speaker 4: But then the doorbell rings and it's Deirdre. Oh this bitch, Oh,
Speaker 4: this fucking bitch.
Speaker 2: And he puts on his mask, you know, that aristocratic
Speaker 2: art dealer mask, and he goes out and he's making
Speaker 2: chit chat. And then she takes out an Imperial StarPath unit,
Speaker 2: a navigator for hyperspace travel, which Luthan has been trafficking
Speaker 2: to the rebellion for some time, has been setting all,
Speaker 2: you know, like helping coordinate and manage the theft of
Speaker 2: imperial hardware to use for its use by the rebellion.
Speaker 2: And dejs elated at this moment. She's been waiting for this,
Speaker 2: she's been waiting to catch access. She never got to
Speaker 2: do it, and here she is now finally putting, putting
Speaker 2: it all together, and it's and you could see how
Speaker 2: thrilled she is.
Speaker 1: She's got the man speaking of people who are cracking up.
Speaker 1: Like the absolute just desperate obsession that Deirdre has is
Speaker 1: shining through in every moment here, like you know that
Speaker 1: this is not going to go well for you if
Speaker 1: you are smart. Yes, actually she is not smart, and
Speaker 1: Denise Goff brings her to life with such an unbelievable
Speaker 1: kind of watery eyed, like edgy desperation where you can tell,
Speaker 1: if you've watched the show, you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this feels like it's jumped, like quite exponentially from the
Speaker 1: last place we've seen Dedra that she would be able
Speaker 1: to now command this grade.
Speaker 3: And as we'll find out, that is not necessarily.
Speaker 2: The mistake on her part, I think, and we'll talk
Speaker 2: about it later, but yes, I'm glad you brought that up,
Speaker 2: because the depiction of the Empire is a complete snake
Speaker 2: pit where where that is run by ambition by two
Speaker 2: powerful forces. One the ambition of all of these players
Speaker 2: who are looking to move up the hierarchy to get
Speaker 2: closer to the emperor yep. And two that desire to
Speaker 2: please the emperor and not the target of his anger
Speaker 2: leads to this intense backstabbing type of environment that Deirdre
Speaker 2: does not truly realize that she is in it turns it.
Speaker 2: She tells Luthen the shop surrounded, you're not getting out
Speaker 2: of here, and that's it. And then Luthen takes a
Speaker 2: victory lap anyway, which I love for him, where he
Speaker 2: basically says, it's too late.
Speaker 4: You know, you got me. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Rebellion is spread. It's everywhere now, it's everywhere around the galaxy.
Speaker 2: They all see you, they know who you are. You
Speaker 2: you know, like you can't do anything about it. And
Speaker 2: Deirdre notices that the comms have been that they're smoking
Speaker 2: in the other room. She runs over there to go
Speaker 2: see what's happened, and when she turns back, Luthen is
Speaker 2: like cut his like a samurai has taken in that
Speaker 2: one of the ancient blades from his shop room and
Speaker 2: like cut open his belly.
Speaker 4: Menex rush him away.
Speaker 2: Deirdre is desperate in her hope that he lives. And
Speaker 2: in the crowd, Claya is.
Speaker 1: Watching all of this, Yeah, because Dedra, like the thing
Speaker 1: that's important to recognize here as well, is this is
Speaker 1: about access. It is about the imperial stuff that's being
Speaker 1: kind of, you know.
Speaker 3: Shipped around. But Dedra has always known.
Speaker 1: That it is likely a kind of rebel, kind of
Speaker 1: circuit that is the origins of the rebel and rebellion.
Speaker 3: And honestly, she's not wrong.
Speaker 1: And so she needs Lutheran alive because she wants him
Speaker 1: to tell her everything. She doesn't just want to catch
Speaker 1: the guy who's been selling Imperial you know, secrets.
Speaker 2: She wants she has exact evidence.
Speaker 4: Unless she brings him in, she has no trophy. And
Speaker 4: it's that pride that brings her down.
Speaker 2: So Partigas complaints absolutely to Dedra, like, okay, this raid
Speaker 2: went poorly.
Speaker 4: This guy is almost dead. Who told you to do
Speaker 4: this on your own authority?
Speaker 2: And then he gets the news that Lannie is dead,
Speaker 2: and you know, the ISB is like going through the shop.
Speaker 4: Dedri doesn't really realize that she's in trouble at this point.
Speaker 3: I think she's still one.
Speaker 2: She thinks she's she's like riding a high, even though
Speaker 2: she realizes this is like if he doesn't live, it's
Speaker 2: a it's a problem. Clay goes to the safe house,
Speaker 2: where she is utterly devastated, and now we get a flashback.
Speaker 2: We hear we hear Imperial radio chatter about like an
Speaker 2: ongoing massacre that the Empire is doing. You just hear
Speaker 2: them talking about wiping out pockets of resistance here and there,
Speaker 2: and it's luthen Is in some sort of command ship,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, at the comms and listening to all
Speaker 2: of this and clearly like shaken, And this is Clay's reminiscence.
Speaker 2: Luthen Is is clearly upset and tortured at the sounds
Speaker 2: of this massacre. He's a sergeant in the Imperial Army,
Speaker 2: and he's making every excuse to not take part in this, like,
Speaker 2: oh I came into. I came in to like change
Speaker 2: my shoes. Oh I had to I had to reboot
Speaker 2: the thing, you know, Like he's making all kinds of excuses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also like there's this moment where he's basically
Speaker 1: just like crying in the and he's like.
Speaker 3: Just make it stop, just make it stop.
Speaker 1: Like you can tell that he is struggling with his
Speaker 1: role in this space.
Speaker 2: So he finds in a very Aliens type moment, he
Speaker 2: finds Alien in a like event of his ship, a
Speaker 2: young girl who's hiding from this masker, and he keeps
Speaker 2: her safe back at the safe house. Present, Claya gets
Speaker 2: some gear that's hidden like in the safe house, and
Speaker 2: she heads out to go to the hospital to At
Speaker 2: the time, I was very hopeful that she's trying to
Speaker 2: rescue Luthan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she is had. I had a realization.
Speaker 1: Very early on, like as they were doing the flashbacks,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, she's going to save her
Speaker 1: Like sorry, get that.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, no, what would what
Speaker 3: would Luthan?
Speaker 4: What would Luthen do? What would her father? Yes?
Speaker 2: Exactly, So he is alive. Luthen is alive. He's clinging
Speaker 2: to life in the hospital. They're pouring the bacta into
Speaker 2: onto his abdomen and but sadly for Deeterer, he's he's
Speaker 2: unable to be interrogated at this time. They think maybe tomorrow,
Speaker 2: maybe in a couple of days. Claya fakes an injured arm.
Speaker 2: She gets in the hospital. She it's it's a uh.
Speaker 2: We get to see her in action, which is like wonderful.
Speaker 2: She's a excellent spy with incredible nerves. And Deirdre meanwhile,
Speaker 2: she reports the part of gas that he'll be ready
Speaker 2: for He'll be ready for interrogation tomorrow, Luthen will, but
Speaker 2: unfortunately she is being arrested by a party gas and
Speaker 2: here's where she messed up. You know, I think it's
Speaker 2: it's it's so interesting that like people have been lauding
Speaker 2: this character for like being a girl boss.
Speaker 4: And the thing.
Speaker 2: About the empire is don't outshine your boss. That's the
Speaker 2: that's the rule. And has told her this multiple times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like, keep me in the loop. Don't out shine
Speaker 2: because if you outshine your boss, now, your boss is
Speaker 2: gonna be gonna run, feel that you're a threat, and
Speaker 2: also be unable to protect you when you step out
Speaker 2: of line. And this is what she has done. This,
Speaker 2: this mission of hers, this rate of hers, has gone sideways,
Speaker 2: and someone is to blame. And it turns out that
Speaker 2: and rebellion spy has had access to her computer. There's
Speaker 2: all sorts of evidence that points at Dedra and it's bad.
Speaker 4: So she's arrested.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we get another flashback to Lutheren and Clay now
Speaker 2: on the run, living by their wits across the galaxy
Speaker 2: and Claia is a little older now they see imperials
Speaker 2: rounding up prisoners, partisans. It turns out like like you know,
Speaker 2: just rebels who went into the hills to take pot
Speaker 2: shots at the empire or whatever. And maybe they're truly
Speaker 2: that or maybe they're not. It doesn't matter. The empire
Speaker 2: just like guns them down. They're mostly kids, but the
Speaker 2: empire executes them. And Claia, against Luthan's admonitions, is like,
Speaker 2: I need to watch. She wants to watch him, kind
Speaker 2: of like in the way that when you lose the
Speaker 2: NBA Finals you want to watch the winning game. You
Speaker 2: got to get that anger in your heart, you know.
Speaker 2: And she catches up with Luthan and she's furious, of course,
Speaker 2: it's seeing kids her age gun down. And she says,
Speaker 2: when do we start fighting back? You you never want
Speaker 2: to fight back? When do we do it? And he says,
Speaker 2: I think the thing that is the core of his
Speaker 2: philosophy we fight to win. That means we lose and lose,
Speaker 2: and lose and lose until we're ready. And that is
Speaker 2: that is Luthen in a nutshell. We can't if we
Speaker 2: strike back now, they'll crush us and we can't win.
Speaker 2: We need to be careful and we need to be quiet,
Speaker 2: and we need to get strong, and that means we
Speaker 2: need to take this.
Speaker 1: We need to wait for the moment that's going to
Speaker 1: be worthwhile.
Speaker 2: Claia, it like, eventually gets into Luthen's room and she
Speaker 2: does this by you know, killing killing a bunch of stormtroopers,
Speaker 2: them slowing up some stuff, and she gives Lutha a
Speaker 2: tender kiss on the forehead and it's very emotional, and
Speaker 2: then she unhooks life saving equipment and she stands there
Speaker 2: for a moment to make sure that he's dead.
Speaker 4: And then he dies, and then she.
Speaker 3: Has a single tear rolling down her face.
Speaker 2: We get a flashback Luthen and Clia in nicer clothes.
Speaker 1: Now she's very amidala coated. At this point, it looks like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: They're on the way, young woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're on the way. The rebellion, for all we know,
Speaker 4: might just be them, you know.
Speaker 3: Like I think at this point it definitely could be.
Speaker 4: This is the nascent years.
Speaker 2: This is like them and maybe Saw, but like they're
Speaker 2: not communicating in any kind of way, and they're scouting
Speaker 2: Imperial troops that are guarding a bridge.
Speaker 4: She wants to strike.
Speaker 2: She wants to They've planted some explosives out there, and
Speaker 2: she wants to blow it up. Lutheren says, patience. They
Speaker 2: argue about it. She calls him a coward for not
Speaker 2: doing it. He knows that she's just angry and she
Speaker 2: just wants to strike out. He's trying to teach her
Speaker 2: about patients. He gives her the detonator, but she hesitates,
Speaker 2: and then he reaches for it and he takes as it.
Speaker 2: He presses it. The explosions happen on the bridge, and
Speaker 2: then he coaches her, don't look yet now, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: don't know how to do it before because she wanted
Speaker 2: to see them explode.
Speaker 1: I thought that was such a good, good moment. He's like,
Speaker 1: don't look because then they're fucking.
Speaker 4: No, they'll know then look now look after.
Speaker 1: It's exploded and everybody's screaming, and.
Speaker 4: And then he's like, okay, now it's the time to leave.
Speaker 4: They're in this.
Speaker 1: And he's also like he was like, you you made
Speaker 1: this choice. You wanted to strike so okay, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: You can't take it back now, like this is the war.
Speaker 2: And then we go back to the hospital. Cleya detonates
Speaker 2: some explosives that she planted in a locker is a distraction.
Speaker 4: She gets up. She shoots a couple of stormtroopers, which
Speaker 4: is great.
Speaker 2: Goes in unhooks Luthen's back to life saving equipment, kisses
Speaker 2: him on the forehead, make sure like she stands there
Speaker 2: for a minute to make sure that he's dead, and
Speaker 2: then she escapes and it's rip to absolutely one of
Speaker 2: the heroes of the Rebellion, secret.
Speaker 1: Hero, true secret here is the Rebellion.
Speaker 2: Also, like his name will never be said, he will
Speaker 2: never get a mess said.
Speaker 1: It would just be us saying Lotha was right, Like
Speaker 1: he was hard he was hard core, but he knew
Speaker 1: what you had had to be done. He understood that
Speaker 1: this was the information, This was the moment, Like can
Speaker 1: we stop this this weapon? You know? Also, can I
Speaker 1: just say, like I truly we we talked about Tony Gilroy,
Speaker 1: you know, as we call him the tone Zone.
Speaker 4: He never misses ever, never once.
Speaker 1: I want to know how he pitched this to Disney
Speaker 1: and was like, Hey, so we got three episodes left,
Speaker 1: we're leading into Rogue one and the first episode isn't
Speaker 1: going to have and or in it.
Speaker 3: How'd you feel about that? Like, it's an unbelievable kind.
Speaker 1: Of almost it's not a bottle episode because it is
Speaker 1: so directly connected to everything going on, but it really
Speaker 1: is about Claya in a way we haven't focused on
Speaker 1: her before, and it is about Luthen and it's about Deddra,
Speaker 1: And by the end of it, I was just so
Speaker 1: emotionally invested in Claia and in this character and in
Speaker 1: the complexity because we've never known Lutheran as like a
Speaker 1: loving person. In fact, Clayre constantly complains about working in
Speaker 1: the shop and her hatred for just like being there
Speaker 1: and the same people she sees every single day coming through,
Speaker 1: and I always thought that was kind of a reservation
Speaker 1: about what they were doing, but actually it's she was
Speaker 1: angry because she wants to be out.
Speaker 4: Killing people more active.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Lutheran obviously wouldn't let her because he loves
Speaker 1: her and because he's trained her ever since she was
Speaker 1: a child, so she's an incredibly useful asset.
Speaker 3: For him to have so close. And I just thought, like,
Speaker 3: what an unbelievable episode.
Speaker 1: When the credits rolled on her kind of crying, I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh man, this show has got the juice.
Speaker 3: Like it's never was questioned, but it's juicy as hell.
Speaker 3: It's juicy, it's saucy, it it's doing it.
Speaker 2: Episode eleven, moments after Clea's raid on the hospital. It's
Speaker 2: a fucking debacle over there. The suspect is dead, no witnesses.
Speaker 2: The raid was so effective that they think maybe three
Speaker 2: people did it.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I love it that, like we're guessing, we're thinking about
Speaker 1: three people by how it happened, and I'm being that
Speaker 1: just one bad ass guys that wasn't you want?
Speaker 3: Ready for her?
Speaker 2: And Officer Heart of the ISB wants to place this
Speaker 2: who's was working closely with Lonnie previously in the season,
Speaker 2: wants to place this entire thing at Deirdre's at Dedra's feet.
Speaker 2: And one thing that I love about this show and
Speaker 2: the storytelling you said it, Tonzo never misses, is this contrast,
Speaker 2: this duality between the way this nascent rebellion is is
Speaker 2: training and becoming better with each passing generation, and the
Speaker 2: way the Empire is becoming more incompetent with each passing generation.
Speaker 2: Because the rebellion needs good people, people who not just
Speaker 2: want to fight and have the will to fight, have
Speaker 2: that rebellious spirit, but eventually people who like understand what
Speaker 2: it takes, are patient enough or ruthless enough, who understand
Speaker 2: of when the moment is right to strike and there's
Speaker 2: this naturally almost like a sharpening of the blade process
Speaker 2: as people die, as Luthen dies, but the information he
Speaker 2: passed on to Cassian, to Clay, etc. Makes them better,
Speaker 2: makes them stronger, and makes them a better weapon for
Speaker 2: the rebellion.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, on the.
Speaker 2: Imperial side, because it's such a snake pit, you're watching
Speaker 2: and incompetent, like heret try to pin it all on Dedra. Now,
Speaker 2: to be fair, Deadra was politically inept.
Speaker 3: I don't know this was DEDs scheme.
Speaker 2: She's clear yet politically inept, but good at hunting, like
Speaker 2: good at yes, Like there's a world in which, right,
Speaker 2: there's a world in which you'd be like, well, Dead's
Speaker 2: good at this.
Speaker 4: Let's just take all the other stuff off her plate.
Speaker 1: And we get this good moment that come that's coming
Speaker 1: up soon where she kind of is like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a fucking scavenger bitch like I had to be because
Speaker 1: you motherfuckers will never give me anything because.
Speaker 2: Because of this this backstabbing. Everybody climb over each other,
Speaker 2: you know, put your boot on the other person's head
Speaker 2: as you climb up the ladder type of atmosphere. All
Speaker 2: that you're getting is the most ruthless and the most incompetent.
Speaker 2: They can't wait to kill somebody and move them out
Speaker 2: of the way so they can move up, and that's cure.
Speaker 2: And he very effectively places this the entire blame for
Speaker 2: everything on Dedra, who is in acceluating interrogation. Krenick enters
Speaker 2: herself and he just says, who else knows? She's like,
Speaker 2: what what are you talking about? And he's like, what
Speaker 2: what would I be talking about? Why would I be
Speaker 2: here saying cryptic shit?
Speaker 4: Like? Who else knows knows about? What? What's the only
Speaker 4: thing that I'm working on?
Speaker 5: Shit?
Speaker 1: She's like, do you mean Axis? And he's like, shut
Speaker 1: the fuck up, I'm shit. No, He's like, I am
Speaker 1: Ben Mendelssohn. Do you know how much they have to
Speaker 1: pay me to bring me into this show? Do you
Speaker 1: know how important.
Speaker 3: This must be?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Am I connected to me?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, come on, what?
Speaker 3: And she's like oh, and he says, say say the
Speaker 3: fucking words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like death Star and he's like, that's right. Oh,
Speaker 2: who else knows about it? And he thinks she's a
Speaker 2: rebel spy.
Speaker 1: I just have to say I love this moment because
Speaker 1: This is so presciently in conversation with the audience. From
Speaker 1: the first time we met Dedro, we were all like,
Speaker 1: why is she so obsessed with this? Like why is
Speaker 1: she specifically connected to Axis? Like is she And there
Speaker 1: was a lot of conversation, is she a rebel spy?
Speaker 1: Is she like so deep undercover and she's forgotten it?
Speaker 1: And I love that. Actually the answer is no, she
Speaker 1: is a fascist, but she became so obsessed with the
Speaker 1: rebellion that she was keeping things to herself.
Speaker 3: As we find out.
Speaker 1: She has been keeping secrets from the empire and even
Speaker 1: the man that she would love to impress, Krenick think
Speaker 1: she's a rebel spy because of her behavior. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's such brilliant storytelling, because there's no you would never be.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, he's so dumb, She's so loyal, why would
Speaker 3: he think that. No, she's consistently been.
Speaker 1: Going against the orders of the empire, not for a
Speaker 1: good reason, and again.
Speaker 3: She loves glory.
Speaker 2: And again it's this great contrast between like, you know,
Speaker 2: Luthen was similarly a secret didn't tell people about anything,
Speaker 2: didn't tell Cassie, and then he went to visit Bit.
Speaker 2: But that was by necessity in this very small, tight
Speaker 2: knit group, whereas in the bureaucracy that Deirdre finds herself
Speaker 2: and the fact that she knew all this stuff that
Speaker 2: she wasn't passing on because she, I think naturally felt like, well,
Speaker 2: if I tell, if I'd move this information on, it
Speaker 2: will just get lost in the shuffle.
Speaker 4: That's but that's not your job.
Speaker 1: Credit, Yes, And I love the fact as well that
Speaker 1: we learn here that Dedre is not the most like
Speaker 1: loyal kind of servant that she would portray herself to
Speaker 1: be because she accidentally, as we know from season one,
Speaker 1: ended up with all this intel, which is how she
Speaker 1: found access and how she became so obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: But now we learn that that intel.
Speaker 1: Was also talking about Galen Erso, also talking about the
Speaker 1: death stuff, and she never told part of guys. And
Speaker 1: now she's in trouble because they essentially see her almost
Speaker 1: as a whistleblower. But she didn't blow the whistle, but
Speaker 1: she has that exaction that's dangerous.
Speaker 2: That's actually exactly right. Galen Arso has been disappeared off
Speaker 2: the face of the galaxy. Nobody knows about him, and
Speaker 2: that he's working. That's nickers I love it, but Dedra knows,
Speaker 2: and because Lannie has had for a year access to
Speaker 2: her computer, the rebellion probably knows now too, which she
Speaker 2: is mind blown about this.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they have his login to her, uh you know,
Speaker 1: her info. They're like, he was there for three hours
Speaker 1: And Kranick has like this fucking his finger on her
Speaker 1: head and he's like, what do you think what do
Speaker 1: you think that he was getting out of there? What
Speaker 1: do you think Lannie was getting from there? And it's
Speaker 1: so scary, like and Denise Gov's acting is so good
Speaker 1: in this moment that I couldn't tell. I was like,
Speaker 1: does Krenick use the force? Like it looks like he's
Speaker 1: physically harming her, but I think it's just for not
Speaker 1: for the first time, she is understanding like, oh, I
Speaker 1: was meant to catch these people, but now I've given
Speaker 1: them the information that they needed and I've failed to
Speaker 1: a level that I could never have even imagined. She
Speaker 1: is so scared in that moment, She is so horrified,
Speaker 1: and she's so upset because she's not going to get
Speaker 1: that glory she's been seeking this entire time.
Speaker 2: So Krenick is like, why did you go to you know,
Speaker 2: if you knew that it was this important. Why did
Speaker 2: you confront Luthen alone? That was dumb And Deirdre's like, well,
Speaker 2: we need to look for Claya the assistant and all this,
Speaker 2: and she thinks I think at that point she still
Speaker 2: thinks she's getting out of this cell, which she never will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's like, I know what's next, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go.
Speaker 4: She's still thinks she's good.
Speaker 2: She thinks she's still running this investigation, which here goes
Speaker 2: to the hospital where he's now running point on the investigation,
Speaker 2: and we see his methods. Now he's suspicious of everyone.
Speaker 2: He's he's threatening everyone with the rest if they get
Speaker 2: in the way. He's and he is just like a sledgehammer.
Speaker 2: No subtlety at all to this guy. The idea Claire eventually.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, but he is the only one
Speaker 1: who understands and spots her out, like there's something to
Speaker 1: his methods. He's the one who's like, there's not three people,
Speaker 1: it's just her, Like we need to find this woman.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's very interesting to see the difference between
Speaker 1: him and Dedra because they have a similar obsession with
Speaker 1: gaining traction in the empire.
Speaker 3: But he is. Yeah, he's not keeping any secrets.
Speaker 1: He's telling everyone like just do this, do that, and
Speaker 1: this is the person we need to catch.
Speaker 3: He he did tell Dedra earlier.
Speaker 1: I believe last episode or maybe in the last chunk
Speaker 1: of episodes, he said, did you ever consider the reason
Speaker 1: that Park has made me in charge of this is
Speaker 1: because I don't care about the glory? And I thought
Speaker 1: that was a very interesting I think this is a
Speaker 1: man driven by just hatred.
Speaker 3: He just wants to kill Clay.
Speaker 4: And he's no, I don't even think it's said. He's
Speaker 4: just an attack dog. He is.
Speaker 2: To put the thing about a dog is it's loyal
Speaker 2: and you can kick it in it come right back, Dedra.
Speaker 2: Don't want to be in charge of the dogs. You know,
Speaker 2: she wanted to be the boss. She wanted to.
Speaker 4: Move up the dog and that was ultimately her downfall.
Speaker 2: Cleia digs some old coms gear like out of the
Speaker 2: walls and takes a huge risk to send a message
Speaker 2: of a like a distress message to the rebellion. We
Speaker 2: go to Yavin, where you know the rebellion is gathering strength.
Speaker 2: People are arriving all the time. Will Uh comes home
Speaker 2: to Drina telling him, Hey, what's this box in your bed.
Speaker 4: That's like beeping? And Will's like, oh, ship, that's the
Speaker 4: distress message.
Speaker 2: Specifically or from the network on Corousont, but likely Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Cassian is in his tent.
Speaker 2: He's playing cards with Melchie and K two and they're
Speaker 2: having a great time and they're teaching, you know, K
Speaker 2: two is learning about humans. It's a wonderful Then Will
Speaker 2: comes in and basically says, hey, we got to we
Speaker 2: got to stress signal from the network on Courson isb
Speaker 2: armed with Claya's ID, put her face all over the
Speaker 2: galactic news everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, Critics like I want her found,
Speaker 2: Search every farmhouse, hand house, out house, and doghouse until
Speaker 2: you find her or else.
Speaker 4: And he looks here and he's like, it's your fucking ass.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be it'd sell next look fucking DEDERM.
Speaker 3: I am not.
Speaker 1: In any way like this is what you get for
Speaker 1: being a fascist, But this episode I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you guys are fucked, Like this is the this is
Speaker 1: how it is. You're never gonna rise up the ranks,
Speaker 1: You're never gonna get credit for anything you do. You're
Speaker 1: gonna commit horrific acts and have to live with them
Speaker 1: and then probably get either killed or put in a
Speaker 1: fucking prison cell by the very people you are trying
Speaker 1: to impress.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a lesson here, guys.
Speaker 1: Maybe obviously nothing reliable to this in real life, but
Speaker 1: and maybe there's a lesson about this.
Speaker 2: Critic is very, very disappointed with ISB, which is dans
Speaker 2: now for part Now, party Gas is feeling heat and
Speaker 2: he comes up with a story about how they can
Speaker 2: put Claya's face out there. He's like, she's got some
Speaker 2: crazy disease and anybody who comes into contact her with
Speaker 2: her will get it and die.
Speaker 4: Perfect go with that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, pot of Gas, you are spin master General.
Speaker 1: That was incredible too, because uh, he can't just.
Speaker 3: Didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: And in that moment, Krenik's looking for an answer and
Speaker 1: pas like, I'm an old hand. She's got an infetious
Speaker 1: disease and she's gonna kill anyone.
Speaker 3: Everyone will be calling in like get away from me.
Speaker 3: She's sick. She's sick, and Cretic's like, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: my guy, my white guy, this is the guy.
Speaker 2: Kreanig then leans on party Gas and it's basically like
Speaker 2: you better fucking find her. Okay, listen, here's how the
Speaker 2: hierarchy works. Okay, the Emperor electrocutes Darth Vader, Darth Vader
Speaker 2: strangles me. I shit on, you go fucking find her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On Yavin, their discuss seeing the message, which they can't read.
Speaker 2: They don't know what it is, but they know where
Speaker 2: it's from.
Speaker 1: Also, I just have to say, like this sequence with
Speaker 1: KS two O and Melchie and and Or, and you
Speaker 1: just see them kind of hanging out, and you see
Speaker 1: this friendship that they've managed to create in Yavin while
Speaker 1: they've been hiding.
Speaker 4: From It was an important scene.
Speaker 3: I love it so much.
Speaker 1: I love the Melchie stuff, I love getting a little
Speaker 1: bit more insight into who he is before Oguan, and
Speaker 1: I just think like Kwo s is already one of
Speaker 1: my favorite droids, but the level of personality and time
Speaker 1: we get to spend with him here is so fantastic.
Speaker 1: And the absolute horror of what a K two so
Speaker 1: so droid can do that we see here in a
Speaker 1: way that was not portrayed in and Or as obviously horrific,
Speaker 1: and we get to cheer him on. I just I
Speaker 1: truly thought that was like one of the most important
Speaker 1: and best scenes, because again it's about how it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the whole of Avatar The Last Airbender. The
Speaker 1: question is how do you find happiness in a world
Speaker 1: where war has to and everything a paw, And in
Speaker 1: that moment we get to see them experiencing that happiness,
Speaker 1: ripping joking like it's it. I thought it was very moving.
Speaker 2: So the message comes through again while they're arguing, and
Speaker 2: Cassiine immediately understands what it is. So he's like, I
Speaker 2: need a ship, we need an off the bookship, and
Speaker 2: we need to leave and we can't tell anybody. And
Speaker 2: of course Cassine is already on thin ice with Draven
Speaker 2: and with the rebel leadership about taking ships and leaving
Speaker 2: and not telling any where he's going. But he's done
Speaker 2: it again and they're fucking pissed again. Heret goes to
Speaker 2: visit Dedra in her little cell and he says, Luthen
Speaker 2: is dead, Clay is on the run.
Speaker 4: And this is a.
Speaker 2: Very interesting scene because Parrot, again incompetent, not as smart
Speaker 2: as Dedra, doesn't know what he's doing, but he's much
Speaker 2: more ruthless.
Speaker 4: He's the reason.
Speaker 2: Basically, he's one of the reasons that she's in this cell,
Speaker 2: and he starts out by bullying her, but then he's
Speaker 2: basically comes out with.
Speaker 4: But like like what do I do? Help me? How
Speaker 4: do I find?
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do? And he asks about
Speaker 2: the Crenic project, like what is it that chief stole
Speaker 2: because like they seem.
Speaker 1: Really and why is it so important?
Speaker 2: Dedah now paranoid is like is this a test that
Speaker 2: I would that I would talk about it. I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going like he doesn't understand what dangerous ground
Speaker 2: he's treading on, and Dejah basically says, you know, look
Speaker 2: for old discontinued radio frequencies. That's probably how they're communicating.
Speaker 2: Will tells Draven on Yavin what's going on, like, we've
Speaker 2: got this message and we need to get the and
Speaker 2: it's maybe it's Luthen and we need to go back there.
Speaker 4: Draven is fucking pissed.
Speaker 2: He's like and I and I get it, because what
Speaker 2: if the Empire figures out there on Yavin. They're not
Speaker 2: ready for that kind of fight and that could be disastrous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, also as well, it's a very interesting situation because
Speaker 1: the let's say, like the respectable side of the rebellion
Speaker 1: is now running things, but you still have these leftovers
Speaker 1: of these people who were raised under Luther, and Will,
Speaker 1: who is mentored by Sore, who's clearly still addicted to
Speaker 1: to ridiom, and and like, I think it's very interesting
Speaker 1: to see the way already they're playing into the notion.
Speaker 1: And then we saw this last episode with pretended chunk
Speaker 1: of episodes when they.
Speaker 2: Pretended gold Squadron that saved her not not I think it's.
Speaker 1: Very interesting to be in a position where we're already
Speaker 1: seeing the and they're not wrong. Like I get it, Momothma,
Speaker 1: bail Or Ghana, like I understand what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: and Yavin, but also like Will Cassie, and they have
Speaker 1: lost everything, they have committed everything to this fight, and
Speaker 1: they are already kind of being like sign out of
Speaker 1: the story and sidelined, And I think that's really heartbreaking.
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think that there is To me, there's.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the natural progression of the rebellion
Speaker 2: as it becomes more of a legitimate fighting for us, right,
Speaker 2: I think that this is some of this is natural.
Speaker 2: I also think clearly from an organizational standpoint, why is
Speaker 2: it's like the rebellion has a political leadership, and the
Speaker 2: political leadership is is in charge of the military leadership,
Speaker 2: which is the ships, the infantry, et cetera. But there
Speaker 2: seems to be like no connection with the intelligence, like
Speaker 2: there's no rebellion intelligence chief. It's still just these pockets.
Speaker 2: And I think organizationally, this doesn't make like you guys
Speaker 2: need to figure out like put Casting in charge of
Speaker 2: the spies or something. Put Clayer or Vell or somebody
Speaker 2: in charge of the spies, Like why are you doing
Speaker 2: it like this?
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a very it's a it's a confusing question
Speaker 1: because also, you know, I was thinking about a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever watched this show with
Speaker 1: Kifa Sutherland Designated, where it's like about who would.
Speaker 2: Everybody was in the one room and they all got.
Speaker 1: Jason. Well please, there are so many planets. I get it,
Speaker 1: but like, let's split them up a little bit because
Speaker 1: one uh one little bee and I don't.
Speaker 4: Disagree with you. Well, they don't know about that.
Speaker 2: They don't know about the super weapon yet, so I
Speaker 2: think it makes sense right now, but they don't know
Speaker 2: about the super weapon yet. So unfortunately, the Empire fixed
Speaker 2: picks up Clay's feed and they figure out where she is.
Speaker 2: They get to fix on her location and they start
Speaker 2: heading there at the same time that Cassian and Melchie
Speaker 2: are also heading there. K two, who still has Imperial
Speaker 2: radio frequencies like as part of his like operational abilities,
Speaker 2: picks up on these communications. He knows the Empire is there, uh,
Speaker 2: closing in on the safe house, so he swings into
Speaker 2: action and starts, you know, taking out Imperial forces to
Speaker 2: try and get in there. He's getting the drop on
Speaker 2: Imperial as he's It's awesome.
Speaker 1: So good. It basically is like a Star Wars horror movie.
Speaker 1: I think it leans towards that, where it's almost this
Speaker 1: slasher movie where you're just seeing kay my baby k
Speaker 1: to so absolutely destroying everyone boom, throwing him into a wall, boom,
Speaker 1: throwing him over a bridge, boom. And I love the
Speaker 1: notion that he was essentially brainwashed and programmed by the
Speaker 1: Empire and what the rebellion did. They didn't fill him
Speaker 1: with some mysterious programming. They just took that away and
Speaker 1: then treated him like some propaganda.
Speaker 4: Did choose to believe in this case, I don't.
Speaker 1: Choose to bellion, so I choose to believe K to
Speaker 1: is choosing to kill.
Speaker 2: Cassie and gets into the safe house with Melchie and Clay.
Speaker 2: And Clay are just like in a rush. It's like
Speaker 2: telling him like all the information, like and heart.
Speaker 1: She's had to kill She's had to kill Alida. And
Speaker 1: then she shows up and essentially sounds like a racing
Speaker 1: on the tick because she's just been going over in
Speaker 1: her head this is the thing we need, this is
Speaker 1: the thing we need. And I thought that was really
Speaker 1: heartbreaking and also really realistic. I love the way they
Speaker 1: dealt with like who would believe her and who would
Speaker 1: go on a mission based on what she's saying.
Speaker 2: And so they argue about this, and because Clay doesn't
Speaker 2: think she's getting off the planet, She's like, you need
Speaker 2: to leave now and bring this information to the Relion
Speaker 2: and Cassian's like, no, you need to come with us. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the Empire is closing in and they have no idea
Speaker 2: that the Empire is closing in, And we go to
Speaker 2: episode twelve. Yeah, episode twelve, Cassian continues to try and
Speaker 2: convince Clay to come to Yavin. They need to tell
Speaker 2: the rebel leadership about the death Star. They they don't
Speaker 2: understand that the empires right outside the door, but the
Speaker 2: is s B doesn't understand that K two is on
Speaker 2: their ass and he's all in them. Like, Party Gas
Speaker 2: is in the control room, like why am I? Why
Speaker 2: can't I contact anybody? Like what's happening? K two gets
Speaker 2: up there and with K two's help, Melchie and Cassian
Speaker 2: take out the tag team like and it's it's it's
Speaker 2: fucking nuts with K two like picking up like by
Speaker 2: the nape of the neck and using him as like
Speaker 2: a body shield.
Speaker 4: It's nuts. Party Gas is freaking out.
Speaker 1: He is like, you know that I I recently bought
Speaker 1: a very fun bootle like shirt featuring one of the
Speaker 1: Creature commandos with GI Robot and it says would you
Speaker 1: like to kill Nazis with g I Robot? And now
Speaker 1: I'm like, we need a K two s No. One
Speaker 1: because this motherfucker is absolutely destroying them. It's almost like
Speaker 1: a monster movie. It's really because also they do this
Speaker 1: great moment in the opening, which is so tells you
Speaker 1: so much about the rebellion and the people who are
Speaker 1: truly loyal to it, which is they just send Melchie
Speaker 1: out to like stand in front of them and count
Speaker 1: how many of them there are, and then he quickly
Speaker 1: runs away, you know, but it's so dangerous and reckless,
Speaker 1: but you can tell that it's also part of how
Speaker 1: they do this and why they make it work. And
Speaker 1: I think that the melchie K too, and and or
Speaker 1: I never really saw this little trio coming, but now
Speaker 1: it's very much. I would die for them energy, Like
Speaker 1: they fucking smashed through this, like army of ISB agents
Speaker 1: and stormtroopers, like it's crazy.
Speaker 2: On Yeavin, the rebel leadership draven Man Bail Organa are
Speaker 2: in communication with Saw, who is on Jedda and it's
Speaker 2: been there for a little while, and they're trying to
Speaker 2: tell him listen, the Empire is on your ass, like
Speaker 2: be careful. They've got this destroyer parked over Jetta lay Low,
Speaker 2: stop doing shit, be careful. But Saw is at this
Speaker 2: point totally paranoid. His drug addiction is seems like it's
Speaker 2: gone too far, and he sees enemies everywhere, and he
Speaker 2: thinks maybe even the rebellion people are spying on him
Speaker 2: and they're trying to set him up. So it's going nowhere, honestly.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna say that he's wrong, like that
Speaker 1: is I think even though, SOA is paranoid. You know,
Speaker 1: we are saw ger eras are you guys know we're
Speaker 1: sore apologists. But I will say in this moment, while
Speaker 1: the intensity of his paranoia is very clear to see,
Speaker 1: and it's definitely his addiction has made it that the
Speaker 1: horrible things he's had to do.
Speaker 5: Also, I get it because he is that old god
Speaker 5: Luthen but more brutal side of the rebellion, who are
Speaker 5: fucking like jump in like what he said to Will,
Speaker 5: He's like, dive into the rebellion, baby, like we'll go
Speaker 5: back to Lutheran.
Speaker 1: Don't be a porn. So I think I understand his
Speaker 1: feel but.
Speaker 4: I understand his fear also.
Speaker 2: But I also feel like, you know, everything, uh, everything
Speaker 2: has its has its time, and I think his time
Speaker 2: sadly has at this point it's past. Like he's not
Speaker 2: he's not effective anymore. News of the U Wing hits
Speaker 2: the rebel leadership, the stolen U Wing that is now
Speaker 2: coming back from correusconting about to land carrying Claya and
Speaker 2: Melchian Cassian. Bail is furious because what if again, what
Speaker 2: if the Empire followed them here and then we're fucking
Speaker 2: fucked in an unsupervised mission. We don't even know what
Speaker 2: this is. We don't know who's on there. Do we
Speaker 2: shoot it down?
Speaker 4: What do we do?
Speaker 2: Ratus goes to handle the air defenses, and it's very,
Speaker 2: very tense. Draven receives the U wing when it lands,
Speaker 2: and he's pissed and he brings Cassian to the leadership
Speaker 2: and calls him to the carpet, and Cassian briefs them
Speaker 2: on everything he's heard. You know, Jedda Gorman, Galen or
Speaker 2: so Death Star, et cetera. Bail is being an absolute
Speaker 2: fucking bitch about everything.
Speaker 1: They all like that. They're so obsessed at this point
Speaker 1: with the concept of like doing things properly, but it's like, babe,
Speaker 1: you're not and listen to this man, Like listen.
Speaker 2: Right after this, I went and watched Brogue one, and
Speaker 2: it is notable to me that at every turn the
Speaker 2: political leadership and I listened, they were important because the
Speaker 2: legitimacy that they gave to the rebellion was extremely important.
Speaker 2: At the same time, at the same time they were
Speaker 2: they had to be dragged, kicking and screaming into every
Speaker 2: like they didn't want to go to scare It was
Speaker 2: because Ratus and fucking Gin and a bunch of other
Speaker 2: yahoos were like, no, we have to go fight that.
Speaker 2: That happened here, you're seeing it again. They're having they're
Speaker 2: having to be dragged into this, and I get it
Speaker 2: also because it's natural that they would be much more
Speaker 2: conservative with Again, it's that conversation of like people with
Speaker 2: something to lose, they had, this rebellion is just getting started,
Speaker 2: and their fear is like, we can't lose it before
Speaker 2: we even start. I get it, But they're also like not,
Speaker 2: they're not respecting the expertise of people who have been
Speaker 2: in the trenches from day one whatever. Bail, you know,
Speaker 2: wonders if Cassian's judgment is flawed. There's this the whole conversation,
Speaker 2: Cassian says, and it's clear they don't respect Luthen's contribution
Speaker 2: at all. They're not really respecting or at least they're
Speaker 2: not being there. They're acting like, who the fuck is Luthen?
Speaker 2: What's this sounds like? Asian points out that like, I'm
Speaker 2: being lectured right now by people who have given a
Speaker 2: fraction of what Luthen has given to this rebellion. Bail
Speaker 2: thinks that lu And stayed on course not too long,
Speaker 2: which I understand because he doesn't understand the importance of
Speaker 2: this information that Luthen had to stay there to get
Speaker 2: what if he's been turned, which is again like, but
Speaker 2: that's a good you know, I get.
Speaker 1: It, I get it, I get it. But we have
Speaker 1: the dramatic irony effected.
Speaker 4: There's all these things they can find.
Speaker 2: Cassi into quarters, but he requests, He's like, may I
Speaker 2: have permission to go see Claia in the infirmary, and
Speaker 2: mon immediately grants it before Draven or any of the
Speaker 2: other or bail Yes or any of the other fucking
Speaker 2: cowards has an opportunity to say no. Draven then tells
Speaker 2: Cassian about saw and Jedda and the very troubling zoom
Speaker 2: conversation that they had with him, and they tells him
Speaker 2: about the Imperial destroyer above Jedda and it's urgent there.
Speaker 2: Cassian apologizes to Clea for the fact that the rebel,
Speaker 2: the rebel leadership has received them with like very cold shoulders,
Speaker 2: and he promises, like, whatever happen, and it's like Luthen's
Speaker 2: sacrifice will be worth it, even if it's just us.
Speaker 2: Then understands that Mathma goes to see Vell cousin Bell
Speaker 2: Luthen is dead, she tells her, and Cassian is grounded,
Speaker 2: but she asks for Bell's advice, like what you know,
Speaker 2: what do I do here? And they basically come to
Speaker 2: the conclusion that they need to find out if this
Speaker 2: information is correct either way, like we just need to
Speaker 2: it whether it's bait or not, or reel or not.
Speaker 4: We need to find out.
Speaker 2: Cassian then tells Will that Luthan is dead. Well goes
Speaker 2: to I have a hug. Bell goes to talk to
Speaker 2: Cassian to kind of take his temperature, but also to
Speaker 2: see what he has to say. They toast to the
Speaker 2: dead Sinta, the gores Cassian's mom, you know Luthen et cetera.
Speaker 2: Bell asks, you know, is the Luthen story real? He's
Speaker 2: like yeah, and Cassian's like, and by the way, the
Speaker 2: rebellion none of this, ye haven't and none of this
Speaker 2: shit happens without him, and he lays out the story again.
Speaker 2: Claya wakes up and as we as she's waking up,
Speaker 2: there's this incredible transition where we hear Nemeck from season
Speaker 2: one his incredible manifesto on freedom versus tyranny, and we
Speaker 2: realize as the transition happens that on course on party
Speaker 2: Gas is listening to this manifesto.
Speaker 1: I love this moment because I think that nemeic we
Speaker 1: are Nemic lovers here. I think the writing around Nemes
Speaker 1: manifesto is so incredible and I love that we see
Speaker 1: here and we kind of confirm that they released that shit,
Speaker 1: like that shit is everywhere. That's Nemes mixtape is the
Speaker 1: number one mixtape in the galaxy. Like if pot of
Speaker 1: Gas can listen to it, so can everyone else. And
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing because I do think that Neme's
Speaker 1: kind of freedom and tyranny talk, it is a it's
Speaker 1: a battle cry, and it will inspec I have people
Speaker 1: to remember that one little action is better than none,
Speaker 1: you know. And I love that speech so much. And Potas,
Speaker 1: Oh baby, he realizes.
Speaker 2: He knows that he's in it now, he knows that
Speaker 2: his ass is in the shopper.
Speaker 4: It's all gone sideways.
Speaker 2: They lost Luthen, The entire cell has managed to get
Speaker 2: off of the planet. The ISB tag team that they
Speaker 2: sent in has been taken out piece by piece, and
Speaker 2: now they look like incompetence. Krenik is calling for him
Speaker 2: and party, Gaz asks for a moment to collect his thoughts,
Speaker 2: and everybody knows that he's going to kill himself. Like
Speaker 2: everybody understands that he's taking the honorable way out, and
Speaker 2: basically they're letting him because nobody wants to deal with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the guy who called him is obviously he
Speaker 1: knows what he means.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what he's doing.
Speaker 1: There's a great moment where he stands outside with the
Speaker 1: stormtroopers and you hear the gun go off and the
Speaker 1: stormtroopers are ready to go in, and he's like, it's
Speaker 1: very it's okay, yes, it's we are getting there. It's
Speaker 1: interesting to see who thinks that they are that important
Speaker 1: because also, like part I Gas, he just doesn't want
Speaker 1: to go to prison, and we treat it the way
Speaker 1: that other people are treated. But he could have survived this,
Speaker 1: but he's like, oh, oh, rebellions come in that I'm
Speaker 1: going to be the first one up against the wall.
Speaker 1: Let me do this myself. Brutal moment, but very in
Speaker 1: line with and Or and what the tone zone has
Speaker 1: been putt in.
Speaker 2: Well, then on Yavin tells Cassian, you know you should
Speaker 2: reconnect with Bicks. Maybe that this is and he's like,
Speaker 2: not yet, when this is all over, I'll do that. Well,
Speaker 2: then find Claya wandering around in the rain and they commiserate.
Speaker 2: Draven finally releases k Twu and Melschie and then comes
Speaker 2: to see Cassian. He says, we've gotten a flash message
Speaker 2: from Tivik aka the guy Cassian shoots and kills Spoiler
Speaker 2: at the beginning of Rogue one after receiving intel about
Speaker 2: Galen or So and other stuff, and he's got important information.
Speaker 2: He'll only give it to Cassian. He's the only when
Speaker 2: he trusts. He's on Caffriine for one day only.
Speaker 4: You got to go.
Speaker 2: Also, there's that Imperial destroyer of Jetta and saws there,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of things are bubbling, and we've
Speaker 2: got to be careful because it really feels like war
Speaker 2: is imminent at this point. And they both wonder like
Speaker 2: if this is a trap, and if it is a trap,
Speaker 2: I think they both agree, well that it's so well
Speaker 2: designed that they have to take the risk.
Speaker 4: Man, And what can you do.
Speaker 1: It's like it's made, it's made.
Speaker 2: It's almost too good, yeah, man, and Draven Cassian then
Speaker 2: has a dream of his life before all this and
Speaker 2: we see in this moment, and super producer Joel pointed
Speaker 2: it out. He's talking to his sister that we met
Speaker 2: in when there were kids in season one, and it's
Speaker 2: the same girl who sneaks into Luthan's ship to hide.
Speaker 2: So shouts to Joel Claia.
Speaker 1: Yep, Joelle and Justin, unbeknownst.
Speaker 2: To each other, are brother and sister. I wonder if
Speaker 2: Luthan knew.
Speaker 1: That is we are making it a ninety nine percent.
Speaker 1: We are sure about this, But I think this.
Speaker 4: Is so I thinks. I think.
Speaker 1: I think. I think he puts you and two together,
Speaker 1: and he did, That's why he kept them apart.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he put two and two together, which
Speaker 2: is why he's working with both of them, but didn't
Speaker 2: tell them because he knew it might yeah, fuck up.
Speaker 1: And he loves to keep a secret. You know, he
Speaker 1: loves to keep a secret. Also, you know there is
Speaker 1: also a chance that Claia knows because Lutheran loved to
Speaker 1: tell one person a secret and make them keep it
Speaker 1: from everyone else. But I don't think so. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I will say, I love this. I also
Speaker 1: think it adds a lot of weight to the moment.
Speaker 1: Where Cassian is so desperate to bring Claire, even though
Speaker 1: in the past he has left people behind, in that moment,
Speaker 1: he will not leave her. There's something about how he
Speaker 1: needs her to come with him, and not just to
Speaker 1: tell the story because he tells the story himself, because
Speaker 1: she is so messed up. But I think like there
Speaker 1: is a connection there that even if they don't know,
Speaker 1: they know, you know. And I really love that. And
Speaker 1: when Joel text did that to me, I was like,
Speaker 1: that shit blew my mind because I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, they're on the same island, same girl,
Speaker 1: but it's obviously a connection there.
Speaker 2: K Two wakes casting up from his dream to tell
Speaker 2: him that Bail Organa is here to see him, and
Speaker 2: Bail basically says, hey, get back out there.
Speaker 4: You're back in the game.
Speaker 2: Draven has his orders, we have ours, and it's time
Speaker 2: to start really fighting back. We see Melchie training the recruits.
Speaker 2: We see we get these wonderful little kind of vignettes
Speaker 2: of the rebellion growing and getting stronger. We see on
Speaker 2: Coruscant that Paren has already moved on. Now he's in
Speaker 2: full with Manow.
Speaker 4: He's fully my god.
Speaker 2: I mean, I said, actually because it's pathetic.
Speaker 1: What he's a good moment, He literally is just sitting drinking. Mom,
Speaker 1: She's no mom, are you mad? But and he's so depressed.
Speaker 1: You can see the kind of resignation of what his life,
Speaker 1: the emptiness of his life. His wife is just pure
Speaker 1: surface now, you know, just pure Like can you wanted
Speaker 1: to enjoy the good times while you can? Okay, empty drinking.
Speaker 2: Through empty luxury that you're living in. We see Claya recovering.
Speaker 2: We see Tetra in prison. Sorry, babe, she.
Speaker 1: Is in the exact same prison so as Angel. So
Speaker 1: you know she's getting getting spicy and she ain't never
Speaker 1: getting out. Watch good luck, babe, like and she just crying.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you didn't just love fascism, you could also
Speaker 1: you could have just been happy with Cyril. But now
Speaker 1: you in prison forever RPTU because you're gonna die in that,
Speaker 1: because you're an imperative.
Speaker 2: So Cassian heads out to his meeting with Tivik and
Speaker 2: we see him go past the Force Healer. They lock
Speaker 2: eyes and it's clear the Force Healer is again since
Speaker 2: the importance of this person in what's going to happen
Speaker 2: in the next few months.
Speaker 4: In this moment she's seeing the moment she saw on Jetta.
Speaker 2: We see Krenick overseeing the growing death star, and then.
Speaker 4: We look at and we go to Big Wheat for
Speaker 4: the finale. The final moments on.
Speaker 2: Big Wheat, b two has friends now, which is wonderful.
Speaker 2: B has like a robot little joy friend no crew,
Speaker 2: and Bix is with him, which is going to make
Speaker 2: him feel good. And Bix is holding her child with
Speaker 2: Cassian as she walks through Big Wheat.
Speaker 1: And Wow, what an episode. I love how somehow and
Speaker 1: kind of this is very reflected in Rogue one as well,
Speaker 1: but like, how do you make an ending that is
Speaker 1: hopeful out of such a bleak, heartbreaking show? But you
Speaker 1: get that moment with you know, you see Will and
Speaker 1: Drina eating like those even there, they get their quiet
Speaker 1: moments together. They find love, they find connection, and Bix
Speaker 1: looks healthy, safe and has a chubby little baby with her,
Speaker 1: So we know that the rebellion will continue, The rebellion
Speaker 1: will keep on. Something me and Joel are discussing too
Speaker 1: that I think is so interesting is who they leave
Speaker 1: us with, Because Joel made a great point where it's
Speaker 1: like it's Clayer, it's Bis, it's more Mothma. Like the
Speaker 1: future of the Rebellion and this franchise, if they decide
Speaker 1: to carry on from here, is in the hands of women.
Speaker 1: There are multiple different women that could lead whatever the
Speaker 1: next series is going to be, you know. And I
Speaker 1: feel so much for people who haven't seen Rogue One
Speaker 1: who watch this because the ending is so hopeful. You
Speaker 1: see and or fling off, You're like, yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: wait for this, and then you put on Rogue One,
Speaker 1: like me and Jason both immediately did one. I mean
Speaker 1: we were already Rogue One fans, but after this show,
Speaker 1: it is like.
Speaker 4: So much richer now.
Speaker 1: That opening of Cassie and killing that guy. I always
Speaker 1: loved it because I did feel like, yeah, there's got
Speaker 1: to be that in The Rebellion, but now like the
Speaker 1: weight of it and the reason he goes in so brutal,
Speaker 1: being that Luthan died for this and this is the
Speaker 1: chance they have oof Man, that opening just absolutely changes everything.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and obviously I love to see more sore
Speaker 1: legendary cast I you know. Okay, So Jason, let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. This is a fun question because
Speaker 1: the show is essentially like pretty much perfect. If there
Speaker 1: was one character from Rogue One that you would have
Speaker 1: loved to see in the finale make an appearance to it.
Speaker 4: It be gosh, that's good. Who didn't Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who we didn't get to see.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I I've always because he's so great in the comics,
Speaker 2: I've always thought, and but he's in it.
Speaker 4: Ratus is in both Rogue One.
Speaker 2: Admiral Rowy, Yeah, hero of the Battle of Scaif at
Speaker 2: least that designed the air attack and uh and the
Speaker 2: crucial improvised move of using the Hammerhead corvette to take
Speaker 2: out the destroyers that then opened up the gate Mahamahad Corbett.
Speaker 3: And he's in.
Speaker 4: I think he's in. He's in parts of you.
Speaker 1: Like minutes a couple of minutes with him, but you
Speaker 1: would like to.
Speaker 2: But I always think that he's a real one, you know,
Speaker 2: he's like, he's one of the real ones.
Speaker 4: And one of the things.
Speaker 1: He never questioned and l he didn't say, like this
Speaker 1: plan sounds a fake. He was like, I'm right.
Speaker 2: One of the things you notice that doesn't get remarked
Speaker 2: upon that much is uh. You know, this is a
Speaker 2: very human centric rebellion and obviously a human supremacist empire, right,
Speaker 2: there are no there are no alien races in the Empire.
Speaker 4: It's US humans.
Speaker 2: And then you know the rebellion, You've got Ratus, You've
Speaker 2: got a few others, but it is you know, primarily
Speaker 2: the humans who are running things. And you contrast that
Speaker 2: with Saw and the first band of outlaws who wanted
Speaker 2: to be out there doing it, and it's the most
Speaker 2: diverse group of creatures.
Speaker 4: Like you've ever seen. And I think that because of that, I've.
Speaker 2: Always liked learning more about about the non humans in
Speaker 2: the rebellion.
Speaker 4: Yea, what is that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: What? What were there?
Speaker 2: What were the things that they did that helped, you know,
Speaker 2: move the rebellion towards victory written out of history, written
Speaker 2: out of history, just as we're about to see all
Speaker 2: of these, you know. I think that's one of the
Speaker 2: lessons of Rogue one is like, it's going to be
Speaker 2: like the here man Mathma deserved hero of the Rebellion,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be Bale Organa and Luca who shots
Speaker 2: the bail Organo, who did harbor Lea. That was very important,
Speaker 2: but in terms of like moving the pieces around, not
Speaker 2: a big not a big guy Okay, sorry, Draven. He
Speaker 2: was important a little bit kind of you know, kind
Speaker 2: of you know, and then John de Donna, which I
Speaker 2: still don't know what he did.
Speaker 1: You so much Lucas, send an email, tell us.
Speaker 2: Explain, explain somebody, somebody tell us what Didonna did, because
Speaker 2: it didn't seem it seemed like he just came in.
Speaker 2: And then by episode four is like leaning over the
Speaker 2: you know, the displays and standing in front of the
Speaker 2: screens and saying stuff that it's like, okay, but what
Speaker 2: we just watched his I'm not sure what you guys
Speaker 2: like he's writing like the missives, He's like John Dennna
Speaker 2: was really powerful, like he was sill a great job.
Speaker 1: Definitely let him look over No. I love that answer.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. The creature work has always been
Speaker 1: such a key part of Star Wars, and it's very
Speaker 1: interesting to see the kind of alien dynamics and the
Speaker 1: thing is as well. I think it's fun to imagine
Speaker 1: them and want to see more of them in a
Speaker 1: space like this where Tony Gilroy is so thoughtful. It's
Speaker 1: not that there's a lot of suspicious alien activity and
Speaker 1: analogy in George Lucas's Star Wars. I think that's a
Speaker 1: great answer for me, I'm not gonna surprise anyone here.
Speaker 1: I would have you know what, I don't need them
Speaker 1: to be in it, like fully in it, because I
Speaker 1: think I unders like the story they have in roguee
Speaker 1: is so amazing, But I would have liked to see
Speaker 1: a little trut and bas just chillin on Jedi. You
Speaker 1: know Donnie Yen in Star Wars as like a blind
Speaker 1: Master who isn't a Force user but is connected to
Speaker 1: the Force. Like that relationship between the two of them
Speaker 1: was so powerful to me. I literally have like so
Speaker 1: many Rogue one spinoff novels because they wrote a lot
Speaker 1: about chur and Bays And yeah, I love the Jedda crew.
Speaker 1: I love saw, I love a kind of ragtag found family,
Speaker 1: So that definitely would have been my one like wish
Speaker 1: fulfillment thing. But also I don't need to be fan
Speaker 1: serviced because I'm being sad and this is fantastic TV.
Speaker 2: The next few episodes of X Ray Vision. On Friday,
Speaker 2: we're bringing back the Jedi Council for another roundtable, the
Speaker 2: final three episodes of and Or season two, and then
Speaker 2: on Monday, we're celebrating the fortieth anniversary of the Empire
Speaker 2: Strikes Back and on Tuesday, we returned with the last
Speaker 2: of US episode six plus stick Around and did the
Speaker 2: weeks that follow as we prep for Mission Impossible, the
Speaker 2: Final Reckoning.
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