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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for the final chapter and Or

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Speaker 2: season two episodes ten through twelve, so big spoilers be warned.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Mersey Night and welcome.

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Speaker 4: Back to x Ravision, the podcast where.

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Speaker 2: We dive the video favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture,

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Speaker 4: We'll bring you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: and Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Plus this episode. I can't believe it's already here. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel real. It is the final episodes of Andor,

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Speaker 1: and that means the final episodes full stop.

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Speaker 3: I kept watching the show and thinking, oh, we'll see

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Speaker 3: these characters. No wrong, this is the final episode of

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Speaker 3: a who knows, who knows?

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Speaker 4: Whether we.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I would. There's lots of people I

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Speaker 3: like to see it.

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Speaker 4: Claia, Claia.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that and more once we get into

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Speaker 3: our recap of the final three episodes of Andor.

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Speaker 2: Okay, episode two ten and Or season two. It is

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Speaker 2: one year before the Battle of Yavin. A message alert

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Speaker 2: flashes at Luthen's shop. Meanwhile, Lannie is heading into the

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Speaker 2: office while Luthen and Claire are also preparing for some

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Speaker 2: sort of operation. It's clear that a bunch of different

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Speaker 2: strands are converging. And remember this is now some time

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Speaker 2: after mon Mathma has been spirited off the planet. The

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Speaker 2: and everybody is on edge. Luthan and Clea are armed,

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Speaker 2: and Luthan all but says goodbye to her, like every

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Speaker 4: Because it's so tense right now. He goes to meet Lonnie.

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Speaker 2: Lonnie says Deirdre is about to launch a mission aimed

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Speaker 2: And worse, Lonnie says, I'm burned. It's only a matter

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Speaker 2: I need to get out of here. We need to

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Speaker 2: discuss my exit strategy, which you had promised me, and you.

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Speaker 4: Need we need to discress.

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Speaker 2: I got to get my family out and tells me right,

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Speaker 2: and he tells Luthen, here's here's what's going on. I've

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Speaker 2: across all of her messages, everything on her computer. I

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Speaker 2: the way, Lonnie, you probably should have told him, because

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Speaker 1: If you'd have given him a little bit more leeway,

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Speaker 2: So Lonnie found something huge, like physically huge and uh

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Speaker 2: And so Lonnie in a rush puts all the pieces together. Gorman,

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Speaker 2: And then Luthen tells Lannie, Okay, I'll get.

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Speaker 1: I think it's brutal, But I will say Luthen at

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Speaker 3: Ruthless and shows you just how committed.

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Speaker 2: I also think is we saw him begin to crack

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Speaker 3: Out, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Claia and Luthen discuss this, that they're pulling on these threads,

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Speaker 4: But then the doorbell rings and it's Deirdre. Oh this bitch, Oh,

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Speaker 2: And he puts on his mask, you know, that aristocratic

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Speaker 2: And dejs elated at this moment. She's been waiting for this,

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Speaker 1: She's got the man speaking of people who are cracking up.

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Speaker 1: Like the absolute just desperate obsession that Deirdre has is

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Speaker 3: And as we'll find out, that is not necessarily.

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Speaker 2: The mistake on her part, I think, and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: because the depiction of the Empire is a complete snake

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Speaker 2: She tells Luthen the shop surrounded, you're not getting out

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Speaker 4: You know, you got me. That's fine.

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Speaker 2: Rebellion is spread. It's everywhere now, it's everywhere around the galaxy.

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Speaker 2: Deirdre is desperate in her hope that he lives. And

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Speaker 1: Watching all of this, Yeah, because Dedra, like the thing

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Speaker 3: Shipped around. But Dedra has always known.

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Speaker 2: So Partigas complaints absolutely to Dedra, like, okay, this raid

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Speaker 2: And then he gets the news that Lannie is dead,

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Speaker 2: She thinks she's she's like riding a high, even though

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Speaker 2: We hear we hear Imperial radio chatter about like an

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Speaker 2: and he's making every excuse to not take part in this, like,

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Speaker 1: It would just be us saying Lotha was right, Like

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Speaker 4: Like? Who else knows knows about? What? What's the only

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Speaker 1: Well?

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00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: Am I connected to me?

436
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: And I'm like, come on, what?

437
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: And she's like oh, and he says, say say the

438
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: fucking words.

439
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like death Star and he's like, that's right. Oh,

440
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: who else knows about it? And he thinks she's a

441
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: rebel spy.

442
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: I just have to say I love this moment because

443
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: This is so presciently in conversation with the audience. From

444
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: the first time we met Dedro, we were all like,

445
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: why is she so obsessed with this? Like why is

446
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: she specifically connected to Axis? Like is she And there

447
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: was a lot of conversation, is she a rebel spy?

448
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: Is she like so deep undercover and she's forgotten it?

449
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: And I love that. Actually the answer is no, she

450
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: is a fascist, but she became so obsessed with the

451
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: rebellion that she was keeping things to herself.

452
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: As we find out.

453
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: She has been keeping secrets from the empire and even

454
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: the man that she would love to impress, Krenick think

455
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: she's a rebel spy because of her behavior. I mean,

456
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: that's such brilliant storytelling, because there's no you would never be.

457
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: Like, oh, he's so dumb, She's so loyal, why would

458
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: he think that. No, she's consistently been.

459
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: Going against the orders of the empire, not for a

460
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: good reason, and again.

461
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: She loves glory.

462
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: And again it's this great contrast between like, you know,

463
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: Luthen was similarly a secret didn't tell people about anything,

464
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: didn't tell Cassie, and then he went to visit Bit.

465
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: But that was by necessity in this very small, tight

466
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: knit group, whereas in the bureaucracy that Deirdre finds herself

467
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: and the fact that she knew all this stuff that

468
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: she wasn't passing on because she, I think naturally felt like, well,

469
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: if I tell, if I'd move this information on, it

470
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: will just get lost in the shuffle.

471
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 4: That's but that's not your job.

472
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: Credit, Yes, And I love the fact as well that

473
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 1: we learn here that Dedre is not the most like

474
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: loyal kind of servant that she would portray herself to

475
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: be because she accidentally, as we know from season one,

476
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: ended up with all this intel, which is how she

477
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: found access and how she became so obsessed with it.

478
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: But now we learn that that intel.

479
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: Was also talking about Galen Erso, also talking about the

480
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: death stuff, and she never told part of guys. And

481
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: now she's in trouble because they essentially see her almost

482
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: as a whistleblower. But she didn't blow the whistle, but

483
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: she has that exaction that's dangerous.

484
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 2: That's actually exactly right. Galen Arso has been disappeared off

485
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: the face of the galaxy. Nobody knows about him, and

486
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: that he's working. That's nickers I love it, but Dedra knows,

487
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: and because Lannie has had for a year access to

488
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: her computer, the rebellion probably knows now too, which she

489
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: is mind blown about this.

490
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: Yes, and they have his login to her, uh you know,

491
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: her info. They're like, he was there for three hours

492
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: And Kranick has like this fucking his finger on her

493
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: head and he's like, what do you think what do

494
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: you think that he was getting out of there? What

495
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: do you think Lannie was getting from there? And it's

496
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: so scary, like and Denise Gov's acting is so good

497
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: in this moment that I couldn't tell. I was like,

498
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: does Krenick use the force? Like it looks like he's

499
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: physically harming her, but I think it's just for not

500
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: for the first time, she is understanding like, oh, I

501
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: was meant to catch these people, but now I've given

502
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: them the information that they needed and I've failed to

503
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: a level that I could never have even imagined. She

504
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: is so scared in that moment, She is so horrified,

505
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: and she's so upset because she's not going to get

506
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: that glory she's been seeking this entire time.

507
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: So Krenick is like, why did you go to you know,

508
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: if you knew that it was this important. Why did

509
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: you confront Luthen alone? That was dumb And Deirdre's like, well,

510
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: we need to look for Claya the assistant and all this,

511
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: and she thinks I think at that point she still

512
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: thinks she's getting out of this cell, which she never will.

513
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's like, I know what's next, guys, I'm

514
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna go.

515
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: She's still thinks she's good.

516
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: She thinks she's still running this investigation, which here goes

517
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: to the hospital where he's now running point on the investigation,

518
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: and we see his methods. Now he's suspicious of everyone.

519
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: He's he's threatening everyone with the rest if they get

520
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: in the way. He's and he is just like a sledgehammer.

521
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: No subtlety at all to this guy. The idea Claire eventually.

522
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, but he is the only one

523
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: who understands and spots her out, like there's something to

524
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: his methods. He's the one who's like, there's not three people,

525
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: it's just her, Like we need to find this woman.

526
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's very interesting to see the difference between

527
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: him and Dedra because they have a similar obsession with

528
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: gaining traction in the empire.

529
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: But he is. Yeah, he's not keeping any secrets.

530
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: He's telling everyone like just do this, do that, and

531
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: this is the person we need to catch.

532
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: He he did tell Dedra earlier.

533
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: I believe last episode or maybe in the last chunk

534
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: of episodes, he said, did you ever consider the reason

535
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: that Park has made me in charge of this is

536
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: because I don't care about the glory? And I thought

537
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: that was a very interesting I think this is a

538
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: man driven by just hatred.

539
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: He just wants to kill Clay.

540
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: And he's no, I don't even think it's said. He's

541
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 4: just an attack dog. He is.

542
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: To put the thing about a dog is it's loyal

543
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: and you can kick it in it come right back, Dedra.

544
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: Don't want to be in charge of the dogs. You know,

545
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: she wanted to be the boss. She wanted to.

546
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: Move up the dog and that was ultimately her downfall.

547
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: Cleia digs some old coms gear like out of the

548
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: walls and takes a huge risk to send a message

549
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: of a like a distress message to the rebellion. We

550
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: go to Yavin, where you know the rebellion is gathering strength.

551
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: People are arriving all the time. Will Uh comes home

552
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: to Drina telling him, Hey, what's this box in your bed.

553
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: That's like beeping? And Will's like, oh, ship, that's the

554
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: distress message.

555
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: Specifically or from the network on Corousont, but likely Yeah.

556
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: So Cassian is in his tent.

557
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: He's playing cards with Melchie and K two and they're

558
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: having a great time and they're teaching, you know, K

559
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: two is learning about humans. It's a wonderful Then Will

560
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: comes in and basically says, hey, we got to we

561
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: got to stress signal from the network on Courson isb

562
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: armed with Claya's ID, put her face all over the

563
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: galactic news everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, Critics like I want her found,

564
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: Search every farmhouse, hand house, out house, and doghouse until

565
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: you find her or else.

566
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: And he looks here and he's like, it's your fucking ass.

567
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna be it'd sell next look fucking DEDERM.

568
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: I am not.

569
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: In any way like this is what you get for

570
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: being a fascist, But this episode I was like, man,

571
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: you guys are fucked, Like this is the this is

572
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: how it is. You're never gonna rise up the ranks,

573
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: You're never gonna get credit for anything you do. You're

574
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: gonna commit horrific acts and have to live with them

575
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: and then probably get either killed or put in a

576
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: fucking prison cell by the very people you are trying

577
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: to impress.

578
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a lesson here, guys.

579
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Maybe obviously nothing reliable to this in real life, but

580
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: and maybe there's a lesson about this.

581
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: Critic is very, very disappointed with ISB, which is dans

582
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: now for part Now, party Gas is feeling heat and

583
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: he comes up with a story about how they can

584
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: put Claya's face out there. He's like, she's got some

585
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: crazy disease and anybody who comes into contact her with

586
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: her will get it and die.

587
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 4: Perfect go with that.

588
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, pot of Gas, you are spin master General.

589
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: That was incredible too, because uh, he can't just.

590
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: Didn't know what to do.

591
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: And in that moment, Krenik's looking for an answer and

592
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: pas like, I'm an old hand. She's got an infetious

593
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: disease and she's gonna kill anyone.

594
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: Everyone will be calling in like get away from me.

595
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: She's sick. She's sick, and Cretic's like, yeah, this is

596
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: my guy, my white guy, this is the guy.

597
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: Kreanig then leans on party Gas and it's basically like

598
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: you better fucking find her. Okay, listen, here's how the

599
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: hierarchy works. Okay, the Emperor electrocutes Darth Vader, Darth Vader

600
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: strangles me. I shit on, you go fucking find her.

601
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

602
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: On Yavin, their discuss seeing the message, which they can't read.

603
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: They don't know what it is, but they know where

604
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: it's from.

605
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Also, I just have to say, like this sequence with

606
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: KS two O and Melchie and and Or, and you

607
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: just see them kind of hanging out, and you see

608
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: this friendship that they've managed to create in Yavin while

609
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: they've been hiding.

610
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: From It was an important scene.

611
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: I love it so much.

612
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: I love the Melchie stuff, I love getting a little

613
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: bit more insight into who he is before Oguan, and

614
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I just think like Kwo s is already one of

615
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: my favorite droids, but the level of personality and time

616
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: we get to spend with him here is so fantastic.

617
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: And the absolute horror of what a K two so

618
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: so droid can do that we see here in a

619
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: way that was not portrayed in and Or as obviously horrific,

620
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: and we get to cheer him on. I just I

621
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: truly thought that was like one of the most important

622
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: and best scenes, because again it's about how it's kind

623
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: of like the whole of Avatar The Last Airbender. The

624
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: question is how do you find happiness in a world

625
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: where war has to and everything a paw, And in

626
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: that moment we get to see them experiencing that happiness,

627
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: ripping joking like it's it. I thought it was very moving.

628
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: So the message comes through again while they're arguing, and

629
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: Cassiine immediately understands what it is. So he's like, I

630
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: need a ship, we need an off the bookship, and

631
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: we need to leave and we can't tell anybody. And

632
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: of course Cassine is already on thin ice with Draven

633
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: and with the rebel leadership about taking ships and leaving

634
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: and not telling any where he's going. But he's done

635
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: it again and they're fucking pissed again. Heret goes to

636
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 2: visit Dedra in her little cell and he says, Luthen

637
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: is dead, Clay is on the run.

638
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 4: And this is a.

639
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: Very interesting scene because Parrot, again incompetent, not as smart

640
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: as Dedra, doesn't know what he's doing, but he's much

641
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: more ruthless.

642
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: He's the reason.

643
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: Basically, he's one of the reasons that she's in this cell,

644
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: and he starts out by bullying her, but then he's

645
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: basically comes out with.

646
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 4: But like like what do I do? Help me? How

647
00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 4: do I find?

648
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do? And he asks about

649
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: the Crenic project, like what is it that chief stole

650
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: because like they seem.

651
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: Really and why is it so important?

652
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: Dedah now paranoid is like is this a test that

653
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: I would that I would talk about it. I don't

654
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: know what's going like he doesn't understand what dangerous ground

655
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: he's treading on, and Dejah basically says, you know, look

656
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: for old discontinued radio frequencies. That's probably how they're communicating.

657
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: Will tells Draven on Yavin what's going on, like, we've

658
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 2: got this message and we need to get the and

659
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: it's maybe it's Luthen and we need to go back there.

660
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 4: Draven is fucking pissed.

661
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: He's like and I and I get it, because what

662
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: if the Empire figures out there on Yavin. They're not

663
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: ready for that kind of fight and that could be disastrous.

664
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, also as well, it's a very interesting situation because

665
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: the let's say, like the respectable side of the rebellion

666
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: is now running things, but you still have these leftovers

667
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: of these people who were raised under Luther, and Will,

668
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: who is mentored by Sore, who's clearly still addicted to

669
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: to ridiom, and and like, I think it's very interesting

670
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: to see the way already they're playing into the notion.

671
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: And then we saw this last episode with pretended chunk

672
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: of episodes when they.

673
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: Pretended gold Squadron that saved her not not I think it's.

674
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: Very interesting to be in a position where we're already

675
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: seeing the and they're not wrong. Like I get it, Momothma,

676
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: bail Or Ghana, like I understand what they're talking about,

677
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: and Yavin, but also like Will Cassie, and they have

678
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: lost everything, they have committed everything to this fight, and

679
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: they are already kind of being like sign out of

680
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: the story and sidelined, And I think that's really heartbreaking.

681
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think that there is To me, there's.

682
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the natural progression of the rebellion

683
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: as it becomes more of a legitimate fighting for us, right,

684
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: I think that this is some of this is natural.

685
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: I also think clearly from an organizational standpoint, why is

686
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: it's like the rebellion has a political leadership, and the

687
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: political leadership is is in charge of the military leadership,

688
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: which is the ships, the infantry, et cetera. But there

689
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: seems to be like no connection with the intelligence, like

690
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: there's no rebellion intelligence chief. It's still just these pockets.

691
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: And I think organizationally, this doesn't make like you guys

692
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: need to figure out like put Casting in charge of

693
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: the spies or something. Put Clayer or Vell or somebody

694
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: in charge of the spies, Like why are you doing

695
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: it like this?

696
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a very it's a it's a confusing question

697
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: because also, you know, I was thinking about a lot.

698
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever watched this show with

699
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: Kifa Sutherland Designated, where it's like about who would.

700
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: Everybody was in the one room and they all got.

701
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: Jason. Well please, there are so many planets. I get it,

702
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: but like, let's split them up a little bit because

703
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: one uh one little bee and I don't.

704
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: Disagree with you. Well, they don't know about that.

705
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: They don't know about the super weapon yet, so I

706
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: think it makes sense right now, but they don't know

707
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: about the super weapon yet. So unfortunately, the Empire fixed

708
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: picks up Clay's feed and they figure out where she is.

709
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: They get to fix on her location and they start

710
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: heading there at the same time that Cassian and Melchie

711
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: are also heading there. K two, who still has Imperial

712
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: radio frequencies like as part of his like operational abilities,

713
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: picks up on these communications. He knows the Empire is there, uh,

714
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: closing in on the safe house, so he swings into

715
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: action and starts, you know, taking out Imperial forces to

716
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: try and get in there. He's getting the drop on

717
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: Imperial as he's It's awesome.

718
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: So good. It basically is like a Star Wars horror movie.

719
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: I think it leans towards that, where it's almost this

720
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: slasher movie where you're just seeing kay my baby k

721
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: to so absolutely destroying everyone boom, throwing him into a wall, boom,

722
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: throwing him over a bridge, boom. And I love the

723
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: notion that he was essentially brainwashed and programmed by the

724
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: Empire and what the rebellion did. They didn't fill him

725
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: with some mysterious programming. They just took that away and

726
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: then treated him like some propaganda.

727
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: Did choose to believe in this case, I don't.

728
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Choose to bellion, so I choose to believe K to

729
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: is choosing to kill.

730
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: Cassie and gets into the safe house with Melchie and Clay.

731
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: And Clay are just like in a rush. It's like

732
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 2: telling him like all the information, like and heart.

733
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: She's had to kill She's had to kill Alida. And

734
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: then she shows up and essentially sounds like a racing

735
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: on the tick because she's just been going over in

736
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: her head this is the thing we need, this is

737
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: the thing we need. And I thought that was really

738
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: heartbreaking and also really realistic. I love the way they

739
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: dealt with like who would believe her and who would

740
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: go on a mission based on what she's saying.

741
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: And so they argue about this, and because Clay doesn't

742
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: think she's getting off the planet, She's like, you need

743
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: to leave now and bring this information to the Relion

744
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: and Cassian's like, no, you need to come with us. Meanwhile,

745
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: the Empire is closing in and they have no idea

746
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: that the Empire is closing in, And we go to

747
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: episode twelve. Yeah, episode twelve, Cassian continues to try and

748
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: convince Clay to come to Yavin. They need to tell

749
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: the rebel leadership about the death Star. They they don't

750
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: understand that the empires right outside the door, but the

751
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: is s B doesn't understand that K two is on

752
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: their ass and he's all in them. Like, Party Gas

753
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 2: is in the control room, like why am I? Why

754
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: can't I contact anybody? Like what's happening? K two gets

755
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: up there and with K two's help, Melchie and Cassian

756
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: take out the tag team like and it's it's it's

757
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: fucking nuts with K two like picking up like by

758
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: the nape of the neck and using him as like

759
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: a body shield.

760
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: It's nuts. Party Gas is freaking out.

761
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: He is like, you know that I I recently bought

762
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: a very fun bootle like shirt featuring one of the

763
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: Creature commandos with GI Robot and it says would you

764
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: like to kill Nazis with g I Robot? And now

765
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, we need a K two s No. One

766
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: because this motherfucker is absolutely destroying them. It's almost like

767
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: a monster movie. It's really because also they do this

768
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: great moment in the opening, which is so tells you

769
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: so much about the rebellion and the people who are

770
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: truly loyal to it, which is they just send Melchie

771
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: out to like stand in front of them and count

772
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: how many of them there are, and then he quickly

773
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: runs away, you know, but it's so dangerous and reckless,

774
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: but you can tell that it's also part of how

775
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: they do this and why they make it work. And

776
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: I think that the melchie K too, and and or

777
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: I never really saw this little trio coming, but now

778
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: it's very much. I would die for them energy, Like

779
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: they fucking smashed through this, like army of ISB agents

780
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: and stormtroopers, like it's crazy.

781
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: On Yeavin, the rebel leadership draven Man Bail Organa are

782
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: in communication with Saw, who is on Jedda and it's

783
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: been there for a little while, and they're trying to

784
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: tell him listen, the Empire is on your ass, like

785
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: be careful. They've got this destroyer parked over Jetta lay Low,

786
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: stop doing shit, be careful. But Saw is at this

787
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 2: point totally paranoid. His drug addiction is seems like it's

788
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: gone too far, and he sees enemies everywhere, and he

789
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: thinks maybe even the rebellion people are spying on him

790
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: and they're trying to set him up. So it's going nowhere, honestly.

791
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna say that he's wrong, like that

792
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: is I think even though, SOA is paranoid. You know,

793
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: we are saw ger eras are you guys know we're

794
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: sore apologists. But I will say in this moment, while

795
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: the intensity of his paranoia is very clear to see,

796
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: and it's definitely his addiction has made it that the

797
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: horrible things he's had to do.

798
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 5: Also, I get it because he is that old god

799
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 5: Luthen but more brutal side of the rebellion, who are

800
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 5: fucking like jump in like what he said to Will,

801
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 5: He's like, dive into the rebellion, baby, like we'll go

802
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 5: back to Lutheran.

803
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: Don't be a porn. So I think I understand his

804
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: feel but.

805
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 4: I understand his fear also.

806
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: But I also feel like, you know, everything, uh, everything

807
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: has its has its time, and I think his time

808
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: sadly has at this point it's past. Like he's not

809
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: he's not effective anymore. News of the U Wing hits

810
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: the rebel leadership, the stolen U Wing that is now

811
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: coming back from correusconting about to land carrying Claya and

812
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: Melchian Cassian. Bail is furious because what if again, what

813
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: if the Empire followed them here and then we're fucking

814
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: fucked in an unsupervised mission. We don't even know what

815
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: this is. We don't know who's on there. Do we

816
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: shoot it down?

817
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 4: What do we do?

818
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: Ratus goes to handle the air defenses, and it's very,

819
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: very tense. Draven receives the U wing when it lands,

820
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: and he's pissed and he brings Cassian to the leadership

821
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: and calls him to the carpet, and Cassian briefs them

822
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: on everything he's heard. You know, Jedda Gorman, Galen or

823
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: so Death Star, et cetera. Bail is being an absolute

824
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: fucking bitch about everything.

825
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: They all like that. They're so obsessed at this point

826
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: with the concept of like doing things properly, but it's like, babe,

827
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: you're not and listen to this man, Like listen.

828
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: Right after this, I went and watched Brogue one, and

829
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: it is notable to me that at every turn the

830
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: political leadership and I listened, they were important because the

831
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: legitimacy that they gave to the rebellion was extremely important.

832
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 2: At the same time, at the same time they were

833
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: they had to be dragged, kicking and screaming into every

834
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: like they didn't want to go to scare It was

835
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: because Ratus and fucking Gin and a bunch of other

836
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: yahoos were like, no, we have to go fight that.

837
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 2: That happened here, you're seeing it again. They're having they're

838
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: having to be dragged into this, and I get it

839
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: also because it's natural that they would be much more

840
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: conservative with Again, it's that conversation of like people with

841
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: something to lose, they had, this rebellion is just getting started,

842
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: and their fear is like, we can't lose it before

843
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: we even start. I get it, But they're also like not,

844
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: they're not respecting the expertise of people who have been

845
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: in the trenches from day one whatever. Bail, you know,

846
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: wonders if Cassian's judgment is flawed. There's this the whole conversation,

847
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: Cassian says, and it's clear they don't respect Luthen's contribution

848
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: at all. They're not really respecting or at least they're

849
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: not being there. They're acting like, who the fuck is Luthen?

850
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: What's this sounds like? Asian points out that like, I'm

851
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: being lectured right now by people who have given a

852
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: fraction of what Luthen has given to this rebellion. Bail

853
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: thinks that lu And stayed on course not too long,

854
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: which I understand because he doesn't understand the importance of

855
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: this information that Luthen had to stay there to get

856
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: what if he's been turned, which is again like, but

857
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: that's a good you know, I get.

858
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: It, I get it, I get it. But we have

859
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: the dramatic irony effected.

860
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 4: There's all these things they can find.

861
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: Cassi into quarters, but he requests, He's like, may I

862
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: have permission to go see Claia in the infirmary, and

863
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: mon immediately grants it before Draven or any of the

864
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: other or bail Yes or any of the other fucking

865
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: cowards has an opportunity to say no. Draven then tells

866
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: Cassian about saw and Jedda and the very troubling zoom

867
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: conversation that they had with him, and they tells him

868
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: about the Imperial destroyer above Jedda and it's urgent there.

869
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: Cassian apologizes to Clea for the fact that the rebel,

870
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: the rebel leadership has received them with like very cold shoulders,

871
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 2: and he promises, like, whatever happen, and it's like Luthen's

872
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: sacrifice will be worth it, even if it's just us.

873
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: Then understands that Mathma goes to see Vell cousin Bell

874
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: Luthen is dead, she tells her, and Cassian is grounded,

875
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: but she asks for Bell's advice, like what you know,

876
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: what do I do here? And they basically come to

877
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: the conclusion that they need to find out if this

878
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: information is correct either way, like we just need to

879
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: it whether it's bait or not, or reel or not.

880
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: We need to find out.

881
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: Cassian then tells Will that Luthan is dead. Well goes

882
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: to I have a hug. Bell goes to talk to

883
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: Cassian to kind of take his temperature, but also to

884
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: see what he has to say. They toast to the

885
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: dead Sinta, the gores Cassian's mom, you know Luthen et cetera.

886
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: Bell asks, you know, is the Luthen story real? He's

887
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: like yeah, and Cassian's like, and by the way, the

888
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: rebellion none of this, ye haven't and none of this

889
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: shit happens without him, and he lays out the story again.

890
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: Claya wakes up and as we as she's waking up,

891
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: there's this incredible transition where we hear Nemeck from season

892
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: one his incredible manifesto on freedom versus tyranny, and we

893
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: realize as the transition happens that on course on party

894
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: Gas is listening to this manifesto.

895
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: I love this moment because I think that nemeic we

896
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: are Nemic lovers here. I think the writing around Nemes

897
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: manifesto is so incredible and I love that we see

898
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: here and we kind of confirm that they released that shit,

899
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: like that shit is everywhere. That's Nemes mixtape is the

900
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: number one mixtape in the galaxy. Like if pot of

901
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: Gas can listen to it, so can everyone else. And

902
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing because I do think that Neme's

903
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: kind of freedom and tyranny talk, it is a it's

904
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: a battle cry, and it will inspec I have people

905
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: to remember that one little action is better than none,

906
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: you know. And I love that speech so much. And Potas,

907
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: Oh baby, he realizes.

908
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: He knows that he's in it now, he knows that

909
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: his ass is in the shopper.

910
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 4: It's all gone sideways.

911
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: They lost Luthen, The entire cell has managed to get

912
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: off of the planet. The ISB tag team that they

913
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: sent in has been taken out piece by piece, and

914
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: now they look like incompetence. Krenik is calling for him

915
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: and party, Gaz asks for a moment to collect his thoughts,

916
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: and everybody knows that he's going to kill himself. Like

917
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: everybody understands that he's taking the honorable way out, and

918
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: basically they're letting him because nobody wants to deal with that.

919
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the guy who called him is obviously he

920
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: knows what he means.

921
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what he's doing.

922
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: There's a great moment where he stands outside with the

923
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: stormtroopers and you hear the gun go off and the

924
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: stormtroopers are ready to go in, and he's like, it's

925
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: very it's okay, yes, it's we are getting there. It's

926
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: interesting to see who thinks that they are that important

927
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: because also, like part I Gas, he just doesn't want

928
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: to go to prison, and we treat it the way

929
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: that other people are treated. But he could have survived this,

930
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: but he's like, oh, oh, rebellions come in that I'm

931
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: going to be the first one up against the wall.

932
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Let me do this myself. Brutal moment, but very in

933
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: line with and Or and what the tone zone has

934
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: been putt in.

935
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: Well, then on Yavin tells Cassian, you know you should

936
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: reconnect with Bicks. Maybe that this is and he's like,

937
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: not yet, when this is all over, I'll do that. Well,

938
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 2: then find Claya wandering around in the rain and they commiserate.

939
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: Draven finally releases k Twu and Melschie and then comes

940
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 2: to see Cassian. He says, we've gotten a flash message

941
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: from Tivik aka the guy Cassian shoots and kills Spoiler

942
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 2: at the beginning of Rogue one after receiving intel about

943
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: Galen or So and other stuff, and he's got important information.

944
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: He'll only give it to Cassian. He's the only when

945
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: he trusts. He's on Caffriine for one day only.

946
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 4: You got to go.

947
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: Also, there's that Imperial destroyer of Jetta and saws there,

948
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of things are bubbling, and we've

949
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: got to be careful because it really feels like war

950
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: is imminent at this point. And they both wonder like

951
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 2: if this is a trap, and if it is a trap,

952
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: I think they both agree, well that it's so well

953
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: designed that they have to take the risk.

954
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 4: Man, And what can you do.

955
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: It's like it's made, it's made.

956
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: It's almost too good, yeah, man, and Draven Cassian then

957
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: has a dream of his life before all this and

958
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: we see in this moment, and super producer Joel pointed

959
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: it out. He's talking to his sister that we met

960
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: in when there were kids in season one, and it's

961
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: the same girl who sneaks into Luthan's ship to hide.

962
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: So shouts to Joel Claia.

963
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: Yep, Joelle and Justin, unbeknownst.

964
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: To each other, are brother and sister. I wonder if

965
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: Luthan knew.

966
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: That is we are making it a ninety nine percent.

967
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: We are sure about this, But I think this.

968
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: Is so I thinks. I think.

969
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: I think. I think he puts you and two together,

970
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: and he did, That's why he kept them apart.

971
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 2: Well, I think he put two and two together, which

972
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 2: is why he's working with both of them, but didn't

973
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: tell them because he knew it might yeah, fuck up.

974
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: And he loves to keep a secret. You know, he

975
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: loves to keep a secret. Also, you know there is

976
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: also a chance that Claia knows because Lutheran loved to

977
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: tell one person a secret and make them keep it

978
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: from everyone else. But I don't think so. But you

979
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: know what, I will say, I love this. I also

980
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: think it adds a lot of weight to the moment.

981
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: Where Cassian is so desperate to bring Claire, even though

982
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: in the past he has left people behind, in that moment,

983
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: he will not leave her. There's something about how he

984
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: needs her to come with him, and not just to

985
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,959
Speaker 1: tell the story because he tells the story himself, because

986
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: she is so messed up. But I think like there

987
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: is a connection there that even if they don't know,

988
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: they know, you know. And I really love that. And

989
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: when Joel text did that to me, I was like,

990
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: that shit blew my mind because I was like, oh

991
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, they're on the same island, same girl,

992
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: but it's obviously a connection there.

993
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: K Two wakes casting up from his dream to tell

994
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: him that Bail Organa is here to see him, and

995
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: Bail basically says, hey, get back out there.

996
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 4: You're back in the game.

997
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 2: Draven has his orders, we have ours, and it's time

998
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 2: to start really fighting back. We see Melchie training the recruits.

999
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: We see we get these wonderful little kind of vignettes

1000
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: of the rebellion growing and getting stronger. We see on

1001
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: Coruscant that Paren has already moved on. Now he's in

1002
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: full with Manow.

1003
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 4: He's fully my god.

1004
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I said, actually because it's pathetic.

1005
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: What he's a good moment, He literally is just sitting drinking. Mom,

1006
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: She's no mom, are you mad? But and he's so depressed.

1007
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: You can see the kind of resignation of what his life,

1008
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: the emptiness of his life. His wife is just pure

1009
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: surface now, you know, just pure Like can you wanted

1010
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: to enjoy the good times while you can? Okay, empty drinking.

1011
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: Through empty luxury that you're living in. We see Claya recovering.

1012
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: We see Tetra in prison. Sorry, babe, she.

1013
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: Is in the exact same prison so as Angel. So

1014
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: you know she's getting getting spicy and she ain't never

1015
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: getting out. Watch good luck, babe, like and she just crying.

1016
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: Imagine if you didn't just love fascism, you could also

1017
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: you could have just been happy with Cyril. But now

1018
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: you in prison forever RPTU because you're gonna die in that,

1019
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: because you're an imperative.

1020
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 2: So Cassian heads out to his meeting with Tivik and

1021
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: we see him go past the Force Healer. They lock

1022
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: eyes and it's clear the Force Healer is again since

1023
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: the importance of this person in what's going to happen

1024
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: in the next few months.

1025
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 4: In this moment she's seeing the moment she saw on Jetta.

1026
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: We see Krenick overseeing the growing death star, and then.

1027
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 4: We look at and we go to Big Wheat for

1028
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 4: the finale. The final moments on.

1029
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: Big Wheat, b two has friends now, which is wonderful.

1030
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: B has like a robot little joy friend no crew,

1031
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: and Bix is with him, which is going to make

1032
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: him feel good. And Bix is holding her child with

1033
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: Cassian as she walks through Big Wheat.

1034
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: And Wow, what an episode. I love how somehow and

1035
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: kind of this is very reflected in Rogue one as well,

1036
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: but like, how do you make an ending that is

1037
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: hopeful out of such a bleak, heartbreaking show? But you

1038
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: get that moment with you know, you see Will and

1039
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: Drina eating like those even there, they get their quiet

1040
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: moments together. They find love, they find connection, and Bix

1041
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: looks healthy, safe and has a chubby little baby with her,

1042
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: So we know that the rebellion will continue, The rebellion

1043
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: will keep on. Something me and Joel are discussing too

1044
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: that I think is so interesting is who they leave

1045
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: us with, Because Joel made a great point where it's

1046
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: like it's Clayer, it's Bis, it's more Mothma. Like the

1047
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: future of the Rebellion and this franchise, if they decide

1048
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: to carry on from here, is in the hands of women.

1049
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: There are multiple different women that could lead whatever the

1050
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: next series is going to be, you know. And I

1051
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: feel so much for people who haven't seen Rogue One

1052
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: who watch this because the ending is so hopeful. You

1053
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: see and or fling off, You're like, yeah, I can't

1054
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: wait for this, and then you put on Rogue One,

1055
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: like me and Jason both immediately did one. I mean

1056
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: we were already Rogue One fans, but after this show,

1057
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: it is like.

1058
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 4: So much richer now.

1059
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: That opening of Cassie and killing that guy. I always

1060
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: loved it because I did feel like, yeah, there's got

1061
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: to be that in The Rebellion, but now like the

1062
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: weight of it and the reason he goes in so brutal,

1063
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: being that Luthan died for this and this is the

1064
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: chance they have oof Man, that opening just absolutely changes everything.

1065
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, and obviously I love to see more sore

1066
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: legendary cast I you know. Okay, So Jason, let me

1067
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: ask you a question. This is a fun question because

1068
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: the show is essentially like pretty much perfect. If there

1069
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: was one character from Rogue One that you would have

1070
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: loved to see in the finale make an appearance to it.

1071
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 4: It be gosh, that's good. Who didn't Yeah?

1072
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: Who we didn't get to see.

1073
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 3: You know.

1074
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: I I've always because he's so great in the comics,

1075
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: I've always thought, and but he's in it.

1076
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 4: Ratus is in both Rogue One.

1077
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: Admiral Rowy, Yeah, hero of the Battle of Scaif at

1078
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Speaker 2: least that designed the air attack and uh and the

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Speaker 2: crucial improvised move of using the Hammerhead corvette to take

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Speaker 2: out the destroyers that then opened up the gate Mahamahad Corbett.

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Speaker 3: And he's in.

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Speaker 4: I think he's in. He's in parts of you.

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Speaker 1: Like minutes a couple of minutes with him, but you

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Speaker 1: would like to.

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Speaker 2: But I always think that he's a real one, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's like, he's one of the real ones.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things.

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Speaker 1: He never questioned and l he didn't say, like this

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Speaker 1: plan sounds a fake. He was like, I'm right.

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Speaker 2: One of the things you notice that doesn't get remarked

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Speaker 2: upon that much is uh. You know, this is a

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Speaker 2: very human centric rebellion and obviously a human supremacist empire, right,

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Speaker 2: there are no there are no alien races in the Empire.

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Speaker 4: It's US humans.

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Speaker 2: And then you know the rebellion, You've got Ratus, You've

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Speaker 2: got a few others, but it is you know, primarily

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Speaker 2: the humans who are running things. And you contrast that

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Speaker 2: with Saw and the first band of outlaws who wanted

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Speaker 2: to be out there doing it, and it's the most

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Speaker 2: diverse group of creatures.

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Speaker 4: Like you've ever seen. And I think that because of that, I've.

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Speaker 2: Always liked learning more about about the non humans in

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Speaker 2: the rebellion.

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Speaker 4: Yea, what is that?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: What? What were there?

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Speaker 2: What were the things that they did that helped, you know,

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Speaker 2: move the rebellion towards victory written out of history, written

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Speaker 2: out of history, just as we're about to see all

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Speaker 2: of these, you know. I think that's one of the

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Speaker 2: lessons of Rogue one is like, it's going to be

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Speaker 2: like the here man Mathma deserved hero of the Rebellion,

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Speaker 2: but it's gonna be Bale Organa and Luca who shots

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Speaker 2: the bail Organo, who did harbor Lea. That was very important,

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Speaker 2: but in terms of like moving the pieces around, not

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Speaker 2: a big not a big guy Okay, sorry, Draven. He

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Speaker 2: was important a little bit kind of you know, kind

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Speaker 2: of you know, and then John de Donna, which I

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Speaker 2: still don't know what he did.

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Speaker 1: You so much Lucas, send an email, tell us.

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Speaker 2: Explain, explain somebody, somebody tell us what Didonna did, because

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Speaker 2: it didn't seem it seemed like he just came in.

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Speaker 2: And then by episode four is like leaning over the

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Speaker 2: you know, the displays and standing in front of the

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Speaker 2: screens and saying stuff that it's like, okay, but what

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Speaker 2: we just watched his I'm not sure what you guys

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Speaker 2: like he's writing like the missives, He's like John Dennna

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Speaker 2: was really powerful, like he was sill a great job.

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Speaker 1: Definitely let him look over No. I love that answer.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. The creature work has always been

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Speaker 1: such a key part of Star Wars, and it's very

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Speaker 1: interesting to see the kind of alien dynamics and the

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Speaker 1: thing is as well. I think it's fun to imagine

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Speaker 1: them and want to see more of them in a

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Speaker 1: space like this where Tony Gilroy is so thoughtful. It's

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Speaker 1: not that there's a lot of suspicious alien activity and

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Speaker 1: analogy in George Lucas's Star Wars. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: great answer for me, I'm not gonna surprise anyone here.

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Speaker 1: I would have you know what, I don't need them

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Speaker 1: to be in it, like fully in it, because I

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Speaker 1: think I unders like the story they have in roguee

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Speaker 1: is so amazing, But I would have liked to see

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Speaker 1: a little trut and bas just chillin on Jedi. You

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Speaker 1: know Donnie Yen in Star Wars as like a blind

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Speaker 1: Master who isn't a Force user but is connected to

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Speaker 1: the Force. Like that relationship between the two of them

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Speaker 1: was so powerful to me. I literally have like so

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Speaker 1: many Rogue one spinoff novels because they wrote a lot

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Speaker 1: about chur and Bays And yeah, I love the Jedda crew.

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Speaker 1: I love saw, I love a kind of ragtag found family,

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Speaker 1: So that definitely would have been my one like wish

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Speaker 1: fulfillment thing. But also I don't need to be fan

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Speaker 1: serviced because I'm being sad and this is fantastic TV.

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Speaker 2: The next few episodes of X Ray Vision. On Friday,

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Speaker 2: we're bringing back the Jedi Council for another roundtable, the

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Speaker 2: final three episodes of and Or season two, and then

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Speaker 2: on Monday, we're celebrating the fortieth anniversary of the Empire

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Speaker 2: Strikes Back and on Tuesday, we returned with the last

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Speaker 2: of US episode six plus stick Around and did the

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Speaker 2: weeks that follow as we prep for Mission Impossible, the

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Speaker 2: Final Reckoning.

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Speaker 4: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 4: X Ray.

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Speaker 2: Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie Night and

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Speaker 2: is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joe Alminique and Aaron Kleman.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Saul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Go and

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