1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: So Michael Verie Show is on the air. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 3: The question is what is the future of democratic leadership? 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 3: Who is going to be effective? But we have dynamic, 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: young new leaders some of it. Chris Murphy is a 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: top leader, and Cory Booker is a dynamic leader. Brian 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: Chatz is a dynamic leader. I mean Elizabeth Warren, someone 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: who's ideology I appreciate. 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 4: Now. 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 5: We said we are anchoring ourselves in the moral traditions. 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 5: We came out here over ten hours ago, Hakima and 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 5: I said, this is a bigger moment than politics. This 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 5: is a moral moment in America. And we were gonna 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 5: sit here for a long time. I didn't know we'd 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 5: be sitting for ten hours. But it's ten hours and 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 5: we're still going, and we got some great people here. 17 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 6: This is who I grew up believing with my brothers. 18 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 6: This is our family's story. My apology is an apology 19 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 6: for not having been more sensitive about tribal citizenship and 20 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 6: tribal sovereignty. I really want to underline the point of 21 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 6: tribes and only tribes determine tribal citizenship. It is an 22 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 6: issue of tribal. 23 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 7: So off I got, and. 24 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: This shutdown hurt. 25 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 8: It did, But unfortunately, I don't think there is a 26 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 8: way to save this country, to save our democracy, without 27 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 8: there being some difficult, hard moments belonging. 28 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 7: The way I got the eye time. 29 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 9: Loots News is reporting that forty percent of women want 30 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 9: to relocate and move out of the United States. 31 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: The number six oh five roman. 32 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 10: Number of Americans say they want to leave the country permanently. 33 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 10: This is according to a new Gallup poll. Twenty percent 34 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 10: of people say they want to live somewhere else. That's 35 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 10: one in five, and the shift is mainly driven by 36 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 10: young women ages fifteen to forty four. Forty percent of 37 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 10: them say that they want to go. 38 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: Good go. 39 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 9: You're crazy, You're nuts. You're the people laying out in 40 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 9: the street. Please do leave. We don't like you. You 41 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 9: don't like you, You hate yourself, You crazy witch. 42 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: This is six h two or moan. 43 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 9: There's a subset of liberal women that Rush used to 44 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 9: call feminazis giving Rush the credit he deserves, which is 45 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 9: the reason we are here, his inspiration, the reason we 46 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 9: have an am talked out, the reason we get to 47 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 9: gather me and you here every day like this is 48 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 9: because Rush blazed the trail. It is easy to forget 49 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 9: that not only did he give us the tools to 50 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 9: think about things differently, the tools that we use today 51 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 9: that we take for granted, we have those tools, and 52 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 9: that understands. He gave us the language. We didn't have 53 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 9: language for a supposed feminist who is angry and bitter 54 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 9: and vicious. He gave us that language. And once you've 55 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 9: got that term, that's your currency. You just dropped that 56 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 9: whenever you need it. It's shorthand you can make an 57 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 9: argument so much faster. 58 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: You can simply. 59 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 9: Label somebody a feminazi, and that in and of itself 60 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 9: is powerful, that's all rush. I hate using TikTok videos 61 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 9: because then you have to read people's names and it's like, 62 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 9: you know, hung Low forty four, and it's always stupid 63 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 9: and it's not serious, not that we're so serious, but anyway, 64 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 9: just know that when I read out the name of 65 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 9: somebody's account on TikTok that I'm cringing when I do it. 66 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: Please please feel for me in that way. I'm cringing when. 67 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 9: I do it because well, yeah, for the obvious reason, 68 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 9: so a character by the name of But one thing 69 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 9: we do do is that we give credit for content 70 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 9: you're not required to. 71 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: A lot of people steal. 72 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 9: A lot of people do the Carlos Mencia thing and 73 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 9: steal other people's work. They do it every day. There 74 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 9: are famous people who do it. I don't get into 75 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 9: the beefs with people. I'm not mentioning who they are. 76 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 9: You'd probably figure it out. But people do that, and 77 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 9: those people who do that are not talented. They rip 78 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 9: off artists. One of the things that we have tried 79 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 9: to do very very well. It's why Rush made the 80 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 9: point that he didn't listen to other shows for this 81 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 9: very reasons he want to rip them off, is that 82 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 9: we give credit. 83 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: Wordse to so muie suave for you. 84 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 9: On TikTok has a video for the most feminist woman 85 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 9: in the world. 86 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: She believes in equality unless you bring up the military draft. 87 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: Accountability is her kryptonite. Therapist call her a walking gold mine. 88 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: She thinks sleeping with dozens of men empowers her, and 89 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 4: even the men she sleeps with agree. She shouts her 90 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 4: abortions and let's just say she shouts a lot. She's 91 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: a happiness coach, even though she's miserable. She was taught 92 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: there's over seventy genders in college, and it costs tens 93 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 4: of thousands of dollars to learn. She self diagnoses and 94 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 4: likes telling everyone about it. She hates when men objectify 95 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: women's bodies, but for four ninety nine a month, you 96 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: can objectify hers. She calls herself a boss ass bitch. 97 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 4: Others just call her a bossy bitch. She has a 98 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: lot of cats, but not nearly as many as she 99 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 4: will have. She has a dad, but she doesn't really 100 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: talk to him. He doesn't think we live in World 101 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 4: War II Germany. No, she thinks we live in an 102 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: even worse time and place. She nags to go on 103 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: podcasts to debate, ensues them when she loses her only 104 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: fans is worth less than a McDonald's breakfast. She likes 105 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: black men until they display misogyny. Then she calls the cops, 106 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: who are all bastards. By the way, she is the 107 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: most feminist woman in the world. 108 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 11: People need to make informed decisions, and you're giving them 109 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 11: the into. 110 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 6: Michael Berry says, you're a public Paul Revere had a 111 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 6: ring in the warning. 112 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 12: Hey waited till he finished high school. 113 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: You too. 114 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 9: By way of giving credit, God to Gunther Eagleman on Twitter, 115 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 9: which they now call x It'll always be Twitter to me. 116 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: I think. 117 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 9: Posted a video about it. How the liberal woman is 118 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 9: a fascinating creature. I don't know if this is Gunther's. 119 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: Video or not. I mred asked him. 120 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 9: I meant to ask him, and I did not get 121 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 9: a chance to do that, So I'm assuming it's Gunthers. 122 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 9: If it's not, I'll come back. 123 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: If someone goes to the trouble of making really good 124 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: content that is so good that we're going to rip 125 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: somebody else's content and play it for you, I consider 126 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: it amplifying, not ripping. As long as you give credit 127 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: to someone, you're actually expanding the audience for them. But 128 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: it's really really good. So for now, let's say it's 129 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: gun Through Eagleman, and imagine if you didn't have these 130 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: women in our country. These are the women who are 131 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: threatening to leave Ah. 132 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 12: Yes, the liberal woman a truly fascinating creature of the 133 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 12: modern world. She is instantly recognizable by her brightly dyed hair, 134 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 12: her oversized glasses, and the ever present tote bag overflowing 135 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 12: with homemade protest signs. Her natural habitat spans a wide 136 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 12: range grocery store parking lots, trendy coffee shops, city council 137 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 12: meetings she wasn't invited to, and, of course, the sacred 138 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 12: ground of online comment sections. Despite her unpredictable behavior, her 139 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 12: routine is surprisingly consistent. Her migration route often leads her 140 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 12: to a local coffee shop, where she orders a complicated 141 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 12: beverage that no barista on earth can make correctly. This failure, 142 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 12: of course, fuels her purpose for the day. She works 143 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 12: in many environments, but rarely for long. Offices, classrooms, nonprofits 144 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 12: all become temporary ecosystems she must eventually flee due to 145 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 12: what she calls toxic energy. Most scientists agree that toxic 146 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 12: energy tends to appear whenever she is asked to follow 147 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 12: rules or work with others. Her protests require no specific cause, 148 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 12: only volume, dramatic gestures, and the unwavering belief that she 149 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 12: alone sees the truth. Yet, despite her chaos, the liberal 150 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 12: woman remains a marvel of modern nature. Driven by a 151 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 12: sustained by outrage, and fully prepared to be offended at 152 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 12: a moment's notice, She continues her journey day after day 153 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 12: in her endless quest to correct a world that rarely 154 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 12: asked for her guidance. 155 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: I'd say that's pretty darn good. 156 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 9: I wish you could see the video because she's exactly 157 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 9: what you would imagine a fat white girl wearing Chuck 158 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 9: Taylor high tops, pacey white legs, some sort of a jean. 159 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: Uh uh, what do you call Saint Tramont. They're named 160 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: for what do you call the the pants that are 161 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: cut off at the knees that women wear like a 162 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: Florida thing. 163 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 9: Uh starts with a P. Anyway, she's like wearing those 164 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 9: that are black. They're like black jeans at knee length, 165 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 9: and then then a shirt with all sorts of you know, 166 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 9: f youer and then buttons and then a jacket on 167 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 9: that and it's all designs and it's just just fat. 168 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 9: There's so much fat on there. What capri capri pedal pushers. 169 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. And what are we doing? Oh yeah, no, 170 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: we're not starting the show. We're well into the you know, 171 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: we're live. Yeah, thank you. 172 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 9: So she's got this big fat pumpkin up there on top, 173 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 9: bones and noses and a hair five different ugly colors. 174 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 9: You know, I almost get the impression with these women 175 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 9: that they are they know they're ugly, so they embrace 176 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 9: it as if they choose to be ugly because she 177 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 9: can clean up and dress up and she's never going 178 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 9: to be cute. 179 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: But this way, it's. 180 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 9: Like, yeah, I'm ugly, That's what I want to be. 181 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 9: I'm not sure I'm buying that. Not sure I'm buying it. 182 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 9: Pivot new topic. Florida Governor Ron De Santis has been 183 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 9: the best governor in the country for several years now. 184 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 9: I know he doesn't get his due, and I know 185 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 9: some of you don't agree with that. He made the 186 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 9: mistake of running against Donald Trump. I don't know Ron 187 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 9: de Santis. I had my own criticisms of Ron de 188 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 9: Santis as a candidate, but I think he's a very 189 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 9: good governor. He's the best governor in the country. 190 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: I believe that. And I believe that he believed that. 191 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 9: Trump wasn't going to be able to run, or wasn't 192 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 9: going to run, and I believe that he saw his opportunity. 193 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: And what he believed was if. 194 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 9: He didn't run, then a nicky Haley who was going 195 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 9: to run would end up as president and he could 196 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,599 Speaker 9: have beaten her. 197 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: When he got in the race. 198 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 9: Now it was him versus Trump, and Trump plays for keeps. 199 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: Trump you if you go, you want to know. 200 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 9: It's why Alabama fans loved Nick Saban so much because 201 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 9: Nick you knew. 202 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: Nick Saban didn't stay. 203 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 9: Up the night before like Urban Meyer at a club 204 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 9: with some woman he's having an affair with. He wasn't 205 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 9: like Petrino or Lane Kiffen when he was younger. He 206 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 9: wasn't out partying all week. You knew he was focused 207 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 9: and he had his boys focused. You know that when 208 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 9: Donald Trump is running or doing anything, he's doing it 209 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 9: to win. And so Dessanta's got caught by the buzzsaw 210 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 9: of Donald Trump. But he deserves to be regarded as 211 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 9: a great governor and he is. He's the governor I 212 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 9: wish we had in Texas instead of just do nothing. 213 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: Greg Abbott. Anyway, he was talking. 214 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 9: About immigration DeSantis and he said, not all immigration is good, 215 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 9: not just illegally aggreation is bad. Some legal immigration is bad. 216 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 9: These are the truths we have to start talking about. 217 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: You have some strain on the right. 218 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 13: This is under no you know, illegal illegal immigration is bad, 219 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 13: Legal immigration, no matter what is good. And wait a minute, now, 220 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 13: I'm not saying any of it's that. 221 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: It's all bad or what? 222 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 13: But is bringing ten million people from like Somalia and 223 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 13: dumping them into Georgia. 224 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: Is that good because it's legal. 225 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 13: I think you have to think critically about what are 226 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 13: we doing with an immigration policy and is it benefiting 227 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 13: the American people? Is it helping to promote a strong 228 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 13: American culture. We should never bring people into this country 229 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 13: who hate America. 230 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: And when I. 231 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 13: And I want when I look at like Vindami's dad 232 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 13: and listening to the stuff he's saying about America being 233 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 13: the I'm like, why would we have wanted somebody like 234 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 13: that to come? 235 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: I mean, especially if you think America is so bad? 236 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: So we have to be smart. 237 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 13: It's lazy thinking to say anything that's legal must necessarily 238 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 13: be good. Some of these companies gain these systems bringing cheaply, 239 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 13: so there's a whole host of things. But don't do 240 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 13: what Europe did. Europe did a mass migration that was legal, 241 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 13: that was intentional, and it's proven to be disastrous. 242 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:29,479 Speaker 2: Christopher Hitchins angered the American right with his very aggressive atheism. 243 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: Christopher Hitchins was a British style liberal, but when he 244 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: went back to the neighborhood of his youth and he 245 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: saw that it had become Pakistan instead of England. He 246 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: sounded the alarm thirty years ago for what we're seeing today, 247 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: and nobody would listen to Michael Show. 248 00:16:51,920 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 14: He's the big honor to be living in the United States. 249 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: It's kind of tortured lyrics. 250 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 9: You're not gonna win any awards for songwriting, especially since 251 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 9: I like the the stuff of the Texas Red Dirt scene, 252 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 9: which is really pure, beautiful poetry. But there's something grand 253 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 9: about the opening of that song, and in the way 254 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 9: it just starts, it's like something that Delphonics would have done. 255 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 9: It's Hamilton Joe Franken Reynolds, but but it has kind 256 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 9: of a Delphonics bigness to it, you know what I mean. 257 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: I always thought that was such a grand opening for 258 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: for a song of the era, and obviously so did 259 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: uh Tarantino because he used it in Jackie Brown. 260 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 9: Great use of music. Of course, he doesn't need my 261 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 9: compliments on night Can You give Us? 262 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: Don't Pull Your Love Again? Just just opening. Now that 263 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: people are really focused on how awesome it is, I 264 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: don't believe you. 265 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 5: Hear that. 266 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: You hear that piano rip down there? It's beautiful. 267 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 9: I love the thought because we play more music than 268 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 9: most folks, and when we started, we got a lot 269 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 9: of criticism for it, but now people understand that's part. 270 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: Of part of our show. 271 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 9: It's it's it's it's it's integral to our show. I 272 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 9: forgot what I was going to say, completely, forgot what 273 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 9: I was going to say. I was I was reading 274 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 9: something as I was talking. 275 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: Bad idea. Uh oh, I noticed on saying. 276 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 9: So I love the thought that we air on more 277 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 9: ams than FM's. 278 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: That's the rush limbo effect. 279 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 9: The AM stations ended up being very valuable again because 280 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 9: of the talk media phenomenon, and music doesn't sound as 281 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 9: good on AM radio as it does on FM because 282 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 9: it's not as crisp and clear talk is fine. Doesn't 283 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 9: make a whole lot of difference, and AM usually has 284 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 9: a broader reach than FM, which has a tighter, crisper sound, 285 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 9: but AM tends to spread further. It's the nature of 286 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 9: the broadcast in the old fifty thousand signals especially. But 287 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 9: I love the idea that we're putting music, if not 288 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 9: entire songs, we're putting music in your ear on the 289 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 9: AM dial. And that's a connection to your grandparents because 290 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 9: that's what your grandparents listened to before there were FM stations. 291 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: Your grandparents were listening to music on the AM dial. 292 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 9: In fact, some of them probably heard that song for 293 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 9: the first time on AM. Ron DeSantis has also been 294 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 9: leading the way against the evil that is property taxes. 295 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 13: Check their citizens to hire taxes such as hire property 296 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 13: taxes to pay for these spending habits. 297 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: And you know, these. 298 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 13: Property taxes, it's like you buy a home, you buy land. 299 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 13: You know, maybe you buy the home outright, but maybe 300 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 13: you pay off a mortgage over thirty years and then okay, 301 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 13: you've paid off the mortgage, you bought the land. You've 302 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 13: been taxed many times. It's like, is it your property 303 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 13: or not? Just for being on your property, you got 304 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 13: to write a check to the government every year. So 305 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 13: you're basically paying rent to the government to live on 306 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 13: your own property. And our homestead exemption and is not 307 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 13: strong enough to help these folks because the property gets 308 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 13: assessed so high. 309 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. 310 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 13: If you buy a home for three hundred thousand dollars 311 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 13: and you know there's certain tax, well then what ten 312 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 13: years later they say it's worth seven hundred thousand and 313 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 13: so and they say you know, there's homestead stuff that 314 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 13: helps protect you to a certain extent, but you're paying 315 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 13: more and a lot of people can't afford that. 316 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: So I think that that's a big issue, and I know. 317 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 13: We're going to be really looking at ways to bring 318 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 13: people relief from that, because I think it's been really 319 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 13: something that's pinching a lot of homeowners, particularly seniors on 320 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 13: fixed income. But the reality is is people have seen 321 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 13: and this is not the state. 322 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: We don't control this. 323 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 13: You know, we've not allowed any of that stuff to happen. 324 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 13: We've been cutting taxes, but people have seen their property 325 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 13: tax property tax liability go up over these last years 326 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 13: because the property is being assessed higher and higher. And 327 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 13: the reality is is you don't really know how much 328 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 13: your home is worth until someone offers you money and 329 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 13: is willing to pull the trigger on a sale. 330 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: That's how it works. 331 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 13: You can say it's worth this much, but if no 332 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 13: one's willing to come and offer you that much, then 333 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 13: why should you pay taxes on that amount? And so 334 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 13: there's a lot of things that need to be done 335 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 13: with that. 336 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 2: I agree. Here is the problem with that argument. 337 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 9: I believe the property taxes are an awful tax, because 338 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 9: property taxes mean that you never actually own your home. 339 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 9: If you buy a pair of jeans, you own that 340 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 9: par of jens. But if you buy a pair of 341 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 9: jeans and you have to pay a dollar every month 342 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 9: for two or three to get to keep that pair 343 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 9: of jeens, you don't own the pair of jings. 344 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: You're just renting it. When you dig deep into the technical. 345 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 9: Relationship you have with that para gene or your property, 346 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 9: you don't actually own it. You have to keep paying 347 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 9: the government for the privilege of using it, which means 348 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 9: the government owns it. They own everything, They own everything, 349 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 9: and you must pay them for the privilege of using it. 350 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 9: Make no mistake. You can pay off the bank, the 351 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 9: bank no longer has a claim against you, but you 352 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 9: must pay the government even if you live up in 353 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 9: the woods and don't do it anything. 354 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: Don't do anything, don't use anything. 355 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 9: So that tax is a terrible tax because you are 356 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 9: punished because your property is increasing in value. So people 357 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 9: will say, well, yeah, but that's good. See your property 358 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 9: is increasing in value. The value of your home does 359 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 9: not do you any good. The value on paper of 360 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 9: your home and that value increasing is a no use 361 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 9: to you until the moment you sell the home. If 362 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 9: you're going to live in a home for forty years, 363 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 9: you'd rather that home be worth tenenty ten million because 364 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 9: you're going to pay taxes on that amount. That's a valuation. 365 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 9: That's where ad valorum per the value comes from. So 366 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 9: the fact that you're that the appraisal district says, oh, 367 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 9: your home is worth more than it was last year. 368 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 9: Not to me, it's the same home. But we'd like 369 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 9: to text you more on it. But here's the better question. 370 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 9: I hear Desantas say this. We've got Texas politicians saying 371 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 9: this right now, we need to end that debt burd 372 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 9: property tax. Okay, great, let's end the property tax. But 373 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 9: that's the primary means of funding the Texas government. What 374 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 9: are you going to replace it with? See, we don't 375 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 9: ever talk about cutting spending because everybody loves the idea 376 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 9: of not paying taxes. 377 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: Gonna borrow more money. How are you gonna pay the 378 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: bills for all the things you're spending money on? Because 379 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: none of them are cutting spending, none of them, none of. 380 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 9: Them because they can't politically, they don't want to fade 381 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 9: the heat. There's no real constituency for cutting wasteful spending. 382 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 9: There's a constituency for talking about it, and there's a 383 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 9: massive constituency. 384 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 2: This is like running for student body president in third grade. 385 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: I'll get everybody ice cream Friday. 386 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 9: Okay, we're in all right, So we're gonna do away 387 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 9: with property taxes. We're not gonna build roads, We're not 388 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 9: gonna what about all the massive programs. 389 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 2: Who's gonna pay for those? There has to. 390 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 9: Be a parallel cut in order to cut the revenues. 391 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 9: It's a ledger. It's pretty simple. Are people stupid that 392 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 9: they don't demand this? 393 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, cut the ball with the doctor might go to 394 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: Betty's show. 395 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 15: See the curtains in Anno and Loo in the evening 396 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 15: on the bridd and a little line to shine into 397 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 15: the way. 398 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 9: If the flu has made its way through your family 399 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 9: or your workplace, if you have a kid in school, 400 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 9: you've been hearing a lot about the flu. 401 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 8: You know. 402 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: Listeners used to tell me. 403 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 9: That elementary schools are little germ incubators, and it's kind 404 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 9: of one of those things that's in one ear and 405 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 9: out the other. You don't process, it doesn't mean anything. 406 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 9: Then you send your kid to elementary school and you 407 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 9: realize you kids coming home sick constantly because there's always 408 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 9: some little rat ass kid with the with the cold 409 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 9: or the flu. And uh, we had a wonderful school nurse. 410 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 9: My wife and her were good friends, and my kids 411 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 9: loved her. She's real, real pretty, and so my kids 412 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 9: would feign illness so they'd go to the school nurse 413 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 9: and they wouldn't admit it, but they liked to go 414 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 9: to this woman that looked like Idriamginie. What's her name, Barbara, 415 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 9: Barbara Eaton? Yeah, so, and who could blame them. She's 416 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 9: a beautiful woman, and she was a she was a 417 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 9: PhD in physics, and then she'd gone to nursing school. 418 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 9: And she's about six feet to she like a model, 419 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 9: about six feet tall, and I don't like tall women, 420 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 9: but she was striking, and she wore heels and my 421 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 9: blonde hair, blue eyed, great bone structure, I mean everything 422 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 9: that the that, the the the catwalk people are looking 423 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 9: for she had and just as sweet as she could be. 424 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: And so she would have to. 425 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 9: Send an email to us every time there was an 426 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 9: outbreak of what they called pendiculosis. So I would get 427 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 9: these emails of pendiculosis while I was at work and firstus, 428 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 9: there's been an outbreak of pendiculosis. You need to have 429 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 9: your children checked. And I thought, well, my wife would 430 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 9: handle that, not no I need to worry about. But 431 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 9: then I got to thinking that sounds like leprosy or 432 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 9: some have I sent my kid to this school to 433 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 9: get smallpox? What what? What kid did they let in 434 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 9: that isn't vaccinated? Because I still believed in vaccines. I 435 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 9: never believed in the flu vaccine, but I still believe 436 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 9: in most of the You know how we eradicated smallpox. 437 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: And I said, what in the hell? 438 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 9: Oh, pendiculosis is lice. But I guess we didn't want 439 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 9: to send lice in an email. So there was an 440 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 9: outbreak of pendiculosis. Well, I don't really think that's that 441 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 9: big a deal, to be honest with you, so I 442 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 9: didn't stress it too much. But in any case, it 443 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 9: is flu season. And there's an interesting, interesting bit of 444 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 9: information I want you to hear before you take a 445 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 9: flu shot. RFK Junior once told Patrick Ben David that 446 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 9: the flu shot makes it four times more likely that 447 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 9: you will contract an infection a non flu infection. 448 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: And here's why. 449 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 11: In a million years I would not take a flu shot, 450 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 11: and I'll tell you because this is what Cochrane and BMJFM. 451 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 11: People who take the flu shot are protected against the 452 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 11: AD strain of flu. Their four point four times more 453 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 11: likely to get a non flu infection. And you might 454 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 11: find and a lot of people do that. They get 455 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 11: the flute shot and then they get sick. They're usually 456 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 11: not getting the flu, they're getting something that is indistinguishable 457 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 11: from the flu because the flu shot gives you something 458 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 11: called pathnogenic priming. It injures your immune system so that 459 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 11: you're more likely to get a non flu viral upper 460 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 11: respiratory infection. In fact, the Pentagon published a story and 461 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 11: you can decide it's a wolf of your LF in 462 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 11: January of this year, in which they said the flu 463 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 11: shot not only primes you for flu, and it primes 464 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 11: you for coronavirus if you get They gave flu, they 465 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 11: hit a placebo group and they had a vaccine group 466 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 11: because they wanted it for many a military readiness to 467 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 11: see if the flu shot was prophylactic against coronavirus. What 468 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 11: they found is actually the people who got the flu 469 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 11: shot were thirty six percent more likely to get coronavirus. 470 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 11: And that's not that's not a loan study. We found 471 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 11: six other major studies that say that the same thing. 472 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: If you get the flu. 473 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 11: Shot, you're more likely to get coronavirus. 474 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: You hear that. 475 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 9: You have to question everything, You have to question everything, 476 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 9: you cannot trust. Sadly, you remember the piece our friend 477 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 9: Cheryl Atkinson ran on the flu shot when she was 478 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 9: with CBS News back in six She said their research 479 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 9: showed that the flu shot caused more deaths than it prevented, 480 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 9: caused more deaths than it prevented. 481 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 16: The CDC is taking a closer look at how best 482 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 16: to protect seniors from the flu. The agency is holding 483 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 16: a symposium about that and other issues this week. It 484 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 16: all follows a series of studies that question the effectiveness 485 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 16: of flu shots given to older people. Here's Cheryl Atkinson 486 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 16: with our report. 487 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: Millions of seniors swear by their annual flu shots. After all, 488 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: ninety percent of people killed by the flu are sixty 489 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: five or older. But CBS News has learned that behind 490 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: the scenes, public health officials have come to a new 491 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: and disturbing conclusion. Mass vaccinations of the elderly haven't done 492 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: the job. Doctor Walter Ornstein was among the first to 493 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: notice the problem when he headed up the Centers for 494 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: Disease Control's National Immunization Program. He says it's now become 495 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: a consensus among public health experts. 496 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 17: What is absolutely clear is that there is still a 497 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 17: substantial burden of deaths and hospitalizations out there that has 498 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 17: not been prevented through the present strategy. 499 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: Here's what scientists have found. Over twenty years. The percentage 500 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: of seniors getting flu shots increased sharply, from fifteen percent 501 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: to sixty five percent. It stands to reason that flu 502 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: deaths among the elderly should have taken a dramatic dip, 503 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: making an x craft like this. Instead, flu deaths among 504 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: the elderly continue to climb. It was hard to believe 505 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: so are Searchers of the National Institutes of Health set 506 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: out to do a study adjusting for all kinds of 507 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: factors that could be masking the true benefits of the shots. 508 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: But no matter how they crunched the numbers, they got 509 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: the same disappointing result. Flu shots have not reduced deaths 510 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: among the elderly. It's not what health officials hope to find. 511 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: NIH wouldn't let us interview the study's lead author. So 512 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: we went to Boston and found the only co author 513 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: not employed by NIH, doctor Tom Reikert. 514 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 11: We realized that we had incendiary materials. 515 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Reichert says they thought their study would prove vaccinations 516 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: have helped. 517 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: We were trying to do something mainstream. 518 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 11: That's for sure. 519 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: We surprised, astonished. 520 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: Did you check the data a couple of times to 521 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: make sure? 522 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 8: Well? 523 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 16: Even more than that, we've looked at other countries now 524 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 16: and the same is true. 525 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: That study soon to be published finds the same poor 526 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: results in Australia, France, Canada and the UK, and other 527 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: new research stokes the idea that decades of promoting flu 528 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: shots and seniors and the billions spent haven't had the 529 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: desired result. The current head of National Imanizations confirmed CDC 530 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: is now looking at new strategies, but stop short of 531 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: calling the present policy a failure. There's an active dialogue 532 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: into how we can do better to prevent influenza and 533 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: its complications in the elderly. So what's an older person 534 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: to do? The CDC says they should still get their 535 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: flu shots, that it could make flu less severe or 536 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: prevent other problems, not reflected in the total numbers, but 537 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: watch for CDC to likely shift in the near future 538 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: more toward protecting the elderly in a roundabout way by 539 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: vaccinating more children and others around them who could give 540 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: them the flue. Sheryl eck has in CBS News Washington, 541 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: You've got to them