WEBVTT - #715 Packers Unscripted: Ready to roll

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another edition of Packers Unscripted

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<v Speaker 1>from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is

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<v Speaker 1>my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're still coming to you

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<v Speaker 1>from disparate locations at lambeau Field. Hopefully sooner than later

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<v Speaker 1>we will get back to normal with the setup in

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<v Speaker 1>the studio and all that. But that's a discussion for

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<v Speaker 1>another day because Wes. Today is the day before the

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<v Speaker 1>first practice of Packers Training Camp. So my first question

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<v Speaker 1>to you is are you ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, Michael, Because the fun thing about this, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've had so many people, actually was walking out of

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<v Speaker 2>the building with one of our it gurus, Tony Smith

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days ago, and you know, he asked

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<v Speaker 2>me about like everyone asks, like, hey, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think of the team? You know, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>about training camp coming up? And the answer I've been

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<v Speaker 2>giving anybody, whether it's you and I discussing it or

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's inbox, is I'm just excited for the unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, there's a lot of trials and tribulation that

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna come with that. There's gonna be ups and

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<v Speaker 2>downs that'll come with that. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. I've never covered a situation like this before,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought it was very apropos that Matt Lafleur

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<v Speaker 2>and his pre training camp presser kind of one of

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<v Speaker 2>his last comments was, yeah, in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this is my first year again, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same offense. They're not reinventing the wheel now

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<v Speaker 2>at Jordan Love under center, but you are preparing a

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<v Speaker 2>new quarterback for your scheme and to actually implement it

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<v Speaker 2>on a down out play, play by play basis. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's very exciting. So yes, am I ready?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd better be ready because it's right here in front

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<v Speaker 2>of us now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is. The first practice of training camp is

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<v Speaker 1>slated for Wednesday morning at Rainychki Field. It's gonna be hot,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be muggy. There's gonna be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fans around.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, you wear your tank top for this one,

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<v Speaker 2>your packers tank top?

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<v Speaker 1>At my tank top? No, I might. I might stick

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<v Speaker 1>with a uh, stick with with a T shirt and

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<v Speaker 1>then another one to change into after I sweat through

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<v Speaker 1>the first one. Yeah, but we'll uh, we shall see

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<v Speaker 1>lots of stuff to h to pay attention here as

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<v Speaker 1>training camp gets going, with the caveat that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a ramp up period. The pads are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go on for a few days. Things the first few

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<v Speaker 1>days still going to feel a little bit like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, glorified. OTA's just a bigger crowd and and

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<v Speaker 1>whatnot in attendance. But but the first couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>that come to mind for me, aside from the quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love and and and Matt Lafleur did mention also

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<v Speaker 1>earlier on Tuesday, about the unknown with with regard to

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<v Speaker 1>just where things are going to go with this this

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback transition. There is a lot of unknown that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>has to work through, players, coaches. But the Packers are

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<v Speaker 1>heading into this training camp with what appear, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in my eyes to be too open starting positions. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about one on the defensive side of the

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<v Speaker 1>ball at safety and the other one on the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>side at right tackle. Based on what we saw during

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<v Speaker 1>OTA's and mini camp in the spring, those are two

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<v Speaker 1>positions that appear to be fairly open in terms of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how things are going to shake out with

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<v Speaker 1>the starting lineup come week one. And I think those

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<v Speaker 1>are two spots to definitely keep an eye on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I kind of tap into your memory bank a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, because you obviously have had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years on me in terms of covering this football team,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to think, I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>if you think this is a if this is a

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<v Speaker 2>ripe comparison as far as safety is concerned. In some

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<v Speaker 2>ways now, I was more of the fan, the youngster

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<v Speaker 2>back then as far as how I watched the football team.

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<v Speaker 2>But this kind of reminds me of that transition that

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers sort of underwent when Mike McCarthy sort of

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<v Speaker 2>started and the Packers were trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>their combination is going to be. Ultimately, Atari bigb ended

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<v Speaker 2>up being one of the answers there. And then obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you know Nick Collins grew into becoming a franchise safety.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, markwan Manuel was signed, the Packers had

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of different guys that they had competing for that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what this feels like right now with Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>because while Darnell Savage is the returner, he's the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that's the former first round pick, the fifth year veteran,

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<v Speaker 2>the one that I would expect to be in that

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<v Speaker 2>starting eleven come week one, the packers are really doing

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<v Speaker 2>a full assessment on that entire position and what it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be beyond twenty twenty three. And to me,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've said before, with the position of safety itself

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<v Speaker 2>in the current the present day, I look at whoever's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the best compliment to Darnell Savage, whoever's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the one that gets the most out

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<v Speaker 2>of him back there? Is the guy that I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see emerge in that spot because I think when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at Rudy Ford, when you look at Tarvarius More,

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<v Speaker 2>that list just keeps going on going, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you have John Owens is now in that competition. Dalan

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<v Speaker 2>Levitt has been one of the probably the most veteran

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<v Speaker 2>players on this roster, and then obviously in his gains,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a guy that's shown some promise. But

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to be the one that gets that spot?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like safety is one of those positions

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to see a platoon. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>see them build a one two combination of battery, if

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<v Speaker 2>you will. The pitcher and catcher of those two guys

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<v Speaker 2>working back there and I think when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>Savage's history, that's the thing that has worked the best

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<v Speaker 2>for him when you have that familiarity, when you know

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<v Speaker 2>what the assignments are, and ultimately being able to get

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<v Speaker 2>the most out of the guy that the Packers really

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<v Speaker 2>invested a lot into four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think this, I think, you know, six is

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat an apt comparison. I'd also maybe look in some

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<v Speaker 1>respects at twenty thirteen when the Packers knew they had

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan Burnett in one spot, but the other spot was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wide open. I think the biggest difference there,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe why it's a little bit more like six,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the guys that we've seen at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the competition, at least the ones that we saw

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<v Speaker 1>rotating in with Savage with the first defense during the

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<v Speaker 1>spring Rudy Ford, Jonathan Owens, Tarvarius Moore put him in

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<v Speaker 1>whatever order you want to right now. But those three

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<v Speaker 1>guys have a lot more NFL experience than the guys

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<v Speaker 1>had a decade ago when the Packers were in this

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<v Speaker 1>spot where they knew they had Morgan Burnett, but they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know who the other guy was going to be. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>then later on down the road, the first round draft

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<v Speaker 1>pick was spent on Haha Clinton Dix. But the competition

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<v Speaker 1>this time around seems to be with experienced players and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a matter of who's who's going to jump

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<v Speaker 1>up and take it and run. Rudy Ford has the

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<v Speaker 1>most experienced in the Packers system. Jonathan Owens was a

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<v Speaker 1>full time seventeen game starter a year ago for the

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<v Speaker 1>Houston Texans, and Tarvarius Moore was a half season starter

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<v Speaker 1>for the San Francisco forty nine Ers a pretty darn

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<v Speaker 1>good defense just a couple of years back, but then

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<v Speaker 1>had an injury that cost him his entire twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one season before he came back and resumed a prominent

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<v Speaker 1>special teams role for San Francisco last year. So none

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys are brand new to the NFL in

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<v Speaker 1>that respect, And even when you talk about dal Levitt,

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<v Speaker 1>Innis Gains, other guys we may see, you know, fight

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<v Speaker 1>for this spot as well, so experience experiences there and

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers, you know, new secondary coach passinging coordinator Greg Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Ryan Downard, along with Joe Berry, the defensive coordinator,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to have to decide, you know, what is

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<v Speaker 1>that best combination in the back end there as the

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<v Speaker 1>defense makes this transition from Adrian Amos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'd be remiss, you know. Also to mention

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Johnson, the Packers did use a draft pick on

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<v Speaker 2>that pack as well. He is going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>part of this because it is about who's going to start.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the other reasons the Packers have all

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<v Speaker 2>these prospects, have all these different various players is because

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<v Speaker 2>of what they potentially add to special teams as well.

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<v Speaker 2>When you mentioned Tarvarius More, yeah, he had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>cups of coffee with the defense there in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 2>but he largely, you know, hung on as long as

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<v Speaker 2>he did with the forty nine ers because of what

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<v Speaker 2>he did on special teams. You look at Rudy Ford.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things that Rudy came to

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay, the biggest chip on his shoulder was Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm an exceptional flyer. I know I'm an

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<v Speaker 2>exceptional coverage player on special teams. I've been looking for

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to prove that I can be a starter

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<v Speaker 2>in this league and stay a starter. And then Jonathan Owens,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You'd have to probably search pretty long

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, Football Database or NFL Reference and all

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<v Speaker 2>these websites to find someone that has traveled such a

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<v Speaker 2>long road to become a one year every game starter,

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<v Speaker 2>playing almost a thousand snaps and then this offseason trying

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<v Speaker 2>to find another opportunity for himself that that chip on

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<v Speaker 2>his shoulder remains very large. So when you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>all these position battles, there's probably other ones that are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be maybe more important or things that the

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<v Speaker 2>average fan are going to think about more. But in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the stakes, I don't know if there's anyone

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<v Speaker 2>that is the higher. The stakes are higher than what's

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<v Speaker 2>available for the Packers and these young safeties on this team,

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<v Speaker 2>and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Spot on the offensive side of the ball that appears

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<v Speaker 1>wide open as training campigins for the Packers is right tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>shaping up to be based on what we saw in

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<v Speaker 1>the spring again to be a competition between the incumbent

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<v Speaker 1>yosh Neimen and the second year pro Zach Tom a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth round draft pick out of Wake Forest last year

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<v Speaker 1>who proved as a rookie that he could jump in

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<v Speaker 1>fill in at various spots, including left tackle for David

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<v Speaker 1>Bakhtiari in a pinch. This will be interesting, West because

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about two very different body types. But also

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<v Speaker 1>yosh Naimen has a heck of a lot of experience,

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Tom not quite so much in that regard, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that could take multiple preseason games

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<v Speaker 1>to decide, Oh, who's going to be lining up there

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<v Speaker 1>in Week one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, certainly the Packers want to have us starting five

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<v Speaker 2>figured out, but you and I have covered enough football

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<v Speaker 2>to understand that even in the optimum situations like twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>there was still one game where Brian Blogo wasn't able

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<v Speaker 2>to play right, and a lot of times there are

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<v Speaker 2>injuries that create domino effects. That's what's kind of funny

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<v Speaker 2>to me about this competition right now, because we're whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not Zach Tom prevails or Yashneiman prevails. Packers are

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<v Speaker 2>going to need both of these guys this year. Whoever

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<v Speaker 2>isn't starting is probably the next man up with a

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<v Speaker 2>domino effect on the rest of the offensive line regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>But to your point, the most exciting part of it

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<v Speaker 2>is you have a guy in Zach Tom that I

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<v Speaker 2>think everybody agrees probably the better prospect in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the intangibles, right three year starter in college, fourth round pick.

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<v Speaker 2>I love everything I saw from him and how he

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<v Speaker 2>was able to hit the ground running. In a lesser

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<v Speaker 2>year where the Packers are more up against it in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of their roster, probably would have started more. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just an act circumstance of injuries and different things

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<v Speaker 2>that that sort of enabled him to move around as

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<v Speaker 2>much as he did. But in some years I could

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<v Speaker 2>see him being a guy that would plug in at

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<v Speaker 2>one spot and that's your starter. Then you got Yashneiman,

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<v Speaker 2>who's taken the long road to this spot. Six foot seven,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fourteen pounds. This is how you draw

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<v Speaker 2>these guys up. But it took time for him to

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<v Speaker 2>use that body type and showed that he could be

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<v Speaker 2>a game in and game out starter. It is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a very intriguing battle to watch, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the fun thing for the Green Bay Packers is

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good position to be in and regardless, you're

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<v Speaker 2>probably gonna need both of these guys to get through

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<v Speaker 2>a full season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no question about it. And several other storylines for

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<v Speaker 1>us to pay attention to, for all the fans to

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<v Speaker 1>watch here when training camp gets going. I do have

0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.320
<v Speaker 1>a story on the website, five storylines as a Packers

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<v Speaker 1>open training camp, but I'm gonna throw a few more

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<v Speaker 1>at you, Wes, and I'll let you talk about whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want to. There's a rookie kicker who's looking to

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<v Speaker 1>take over for the franchisees all time leading scorer. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be waiting to see when Rashaan Gary and or Eric

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<v Speaker 1>Stokes is able to come back. By all accounts, everything

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<v Speaker 1>with their rehab, different rehab processes, but things are going well.

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<v Speaker 1>No timeline promised in terms of when those guys might

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<v Speaker 1>come off the pup list physically unable to perform. And

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<v Speaker 1>then obviously, you know the getting up to speed, getting

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<v Speaker 1>on the same page, whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 1>all the young pass catchers with the new quarterback, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the second and your receivers, and Watson and Dobbs,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the rookie tight ends in Musgrave and Craft.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot going on here with this Packers team

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of the ball. And you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like, even though training camp is just getting started,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like that game in Week one is right

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<v Speaker 1>around the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>It does Mike. And the part that I find most

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<v Speaker 2>interesting is looking at those pass catchers, those skill position

0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.040
<v Speaker 2>players that you talked about, because kind of like the

0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.000
<v Speaker 2>tackle situation, there might be a starter, there might be

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<v Speaker 2>someone that plays more snaps, there might be more packages

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<v Speaker 2>built around specific guys. But one of the points I

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<v Speaker 2>laid out an insider inbox this past week was that

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<v Speaker 2>wide receivers three through five I think are all going

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<v Speaker 2>to have roles on this team. I think the tight

0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.400
<v Speaker 2>ends probably all the way one through four are going

0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.079
<v Speaker 2>to have specific packages and niches that they're going to fill.

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<v Speaker 2>And frankly, I think there's even opportunity for an RB

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<v Speaker 2>three in this offense. I think you go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the construct of how Matt Lafleur originally wanted to build

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. I think there's an opportunity there for a

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler good Sintat, Patrick Taylor, lou Nicchols, somebody else to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved there with Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon, and

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<v Speaker 2>that multiplicity of options I think is what makes this

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<v Speaker 2>offense the most dangerous. People will talk about, well, you know,

0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love and Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs, and certainly

0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.960
<v Speaker 2>that is going to be a foundational part of the

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<v Speaker 2>passing game. But it's about all these guys they've added

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<v Speaker 2>around them that I think is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>most intriguing to me. Tight end, though, as Matt Lafleur illustrated,

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<v Speaker 2>it is more than just catching the ball. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>than just running seams. It's more than just about being

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<v Speaker 2>and having the fastest ten yards split like Muskrave had

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<v Speaker 2>at the combine. It's also about running offense, it's about blocking,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about understanding all the different nuances that go into

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<v Speaker 2>that position that maybe necessarily aren't something that fantasy football

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<v Speaker 2>owners are thinking about. That's the part that the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>are going to have to master, especially if Marcedes Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't return.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and when, as you mentioned in talking about our

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<v Speaker 1>last topic about the Packers really needing everybody, I see

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<v Speaker 1>that very much much the same with with the tight

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<v Speaker 1>ends and the wide receivers, because even though you expect

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<v Speaker 1>because of where Luke Musgrave and Tucker Craft were drafted,

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<v Speaker 1>you expect them to be the future at tight end,

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<v Speaker 1>but Josiah Deguarre and Tyler Davis are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>needed in this group, particularly in the early part of

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<v Speaker 1>the season, as as those young guys get up to

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<v Speaker 1>speed and and and prove that they belong in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at wide receiver, there's a lot of promise

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<v Speaker 1>with Samari Toure coming back his second year, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>showed some showed some things in the spring. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Jaden Reid as a second round draft pick, everybody expects

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<v Speaker 1>him to eventually, you know, get to the same type

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<v Speaker 1>of level that Christian Watson and Romeo Romeo Dobbs are

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<v Speaker 1>at in this offense. But Samarrii Toure is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a spot. He's going to have a role and

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<v Speaker 1>and opportunity to, uh, you know, to make an impact

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<v Speaker 1>on this offense. And you know how it goes in

0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.320
<v Speaker 1>this league. If a guy who gets an opportunity seizes

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<v Speaker 1>it and starts to produce, it doesn't matter who's behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>The coaches are not just going to say, Okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>it's this guy's turn. Now. You know, you're ten catches

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<v Speaker 1>for one hundred and fifty yards in the first three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks of the season, We're just going to kick you

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<v Speaker 1>to the curb. It doesn't work like that. If you

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<v Speaker 1>if you sees an opportunity and you produce you can

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<v Speaker 1>start to establish yourself in this league. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>at both wide receiver and tight end the Packers have

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<v Speaker 1>young guys behind their younger guys. The opportunities are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be there and we'll just have to see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's where this gets fun too, right, Mike, because as

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<v Speaker 2>you were mentioning during our intro, well, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the ramp up period, which in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of ways looks like OTA's. Well, who wasn't here during

0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:43.040
<v Speaker 2>OTAs Jyr Alexander Russeul Douglas. When you talk about those

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<v Speaker 2>young receivers specifically, I think that's where the bar comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you get the litmus test for these young guys,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing how they stand up to that challenge. The fun

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<v Speaker 2>thing to me about this is if there wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>Romeo Dobs this year, if there wasn't a Christian Watson,

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<v Speaker 2>and shoot, if there wasn't a Samari too Rae. If

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<v Speaker 2>you flip the script and go back to last year

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<v Speaker 2>and there was no Jaden Reid, I think people would

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<v Speaker 2>have been talking a lot more about Dantavian Wicks than

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<v Speaker 2>they did, just because there's all these young guys that

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<v Speaker 2>these headlines are going to be drawn about. Certainly, you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the physique of Christian Watson and everything that

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<v Speaker 2>Dobbs did last offseason coming back, those are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be people that you naturally sort of gravitate towards. But

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Dantavian Wicks looked exceptional during the off season

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<v Speaker 2>program and I'm excited to see how he does now

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<v Speaker 2>as he gets ready into training camp. Seven former NFL

0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.680
<v Speaker 2>draft picks mike all taken within the last two years,

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<v Speaker 2>helped make up this receiving corps, and it goes beyond

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<v Speaker 2>that as well when you look at some of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that could be available for them. I mean, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>there's some undrafted dudes in this class that I thought

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<v Speaker 2>showed out a little bit during the off season program.

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<v Speaker 2>That is where it gets exciting for Green Bay and

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<v Speaker 2>also understanding that who is going to be the one

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<v Speaker 2>that helps and sort of develops that rapport with Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Love in these practices while going up against the jyr

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<v Speaker 2>Alexanders and Rasoul Douglases. I think even during the ramp

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<v Speaker 2>up period, even before the pads come on, that's where

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to start to learn a lot more about

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<v Speaker 2>these young guys seeing when they are going up against

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<v Speaker 2>that type of competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, well, I wanted to care a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, one of the questions that Matt Lafleur answered,

0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.760
<v Speaker 1>although he sort of didn't answer it either, understandably. So

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's wondering what is going to happen with regard to

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<v Speaker 1>the preseason playing time. How much is Jordan Love going

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<v Speaker 1>to play? How much are the starters going to play?

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many young guys and all that. Matt Lafuer said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a fluid situation. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the Packers are going to have a joint

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<v Speaker 1>practice with the Cincinnati Bengals when they're on the road

0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.840
<v Speaker 1>they're going to have a pair of joint practices with

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<v Speaker 1>the New England Patriots when New England comes to Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot could hinge on just how the

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<v Speaker 1>coaches feel about what the guys are, what the young

0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.320
<v Speaker 1>guys in particular are getting out of those practices, and

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<v Speaker 1>where they are, including quarterback Jordan Love. As far as

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<v Speaker 1>then deciding, okay, how much should they play in the

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<v Speaker 1>preseason game? How much risk do you want to take? There?

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<v Speaker 1>One thing I will say, and I said this from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning because people were asking, you know, way back

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<v Speaker 1>in February, how much is Jordan Love going to play

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<v Speaker 1>in the preseason if he takes over as a starting quarterback?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it mostly hinges on how much does Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Lafleur want to play the starting offensive line? Because no

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<v Speaker 1>offense to any of those other guys, but you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to put Jordan Love out there in a preseason

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<v Speaker 1>game behind the number two offensive line. He's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. So it's not just about how much

0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.760
<v Speaker 1>does Jordan Love need to play, but how much are

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive is the number one offensive line in front

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<v Speaker 1>of him going to play? All of that becomes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the puzzle fitting together. Just what is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen with the preseason playing time when we get

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<v Speaker 1>a couple weeks down the road here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially if the Cincinnati Bengals are lining up Trey Hendrickson,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a decision that green By Packers need to make

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<v Speaker 2>in that moment. The thing that's funny to me about

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<v Speaker 2>this process is that I think there was only one

0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.080
<v Speaker 2>year where this was actually a legitimate question. I think

0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.600
<v Speaker 2>it's become sort of a pop popular thing for me

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<v Speaker 2>to bring up. But twenty twenty one, excuse me, was

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<v Speaker 2>the one year where I thought this was actually a

0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.040
<v Speaker 2>real question in preseason because that year, regardless of what

0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:38.760
<v Speaker 2>they were going to do with Aaron Rodgers, I think

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<v Speaker 2>actually that offensive line did need to get some snaps

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<v Speaker 2>together in the preseason because you knew you weren't going

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<v Speaker 2>to get David Baktiari back and you had to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what the plan of action was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>at that position. So we saw the first team starters

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<v Speaker 2>actually be out there in those first two preseason games.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you said, it comes back to our Elton

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<v Speaker 2>Jenkins and David baktier are going to be out there

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<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati. Are they going to be out there against

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<v Speaker 2>New England. If they are, okay, let's see Jordan go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and maybe work a little bit. If they're not,

0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:11.080
<v Speaker 2>you are getting two practices against actual NFL competition guys

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that do not look the same as your defense, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a value in that. But their only

0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.280
<v Speaker 2>situation I think Green Bay needs to figure out is

0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.200
<v Speaker 2>when they travel to Cincinnati knowing whether or not Love

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<v Speaker 2>is going to play, because you only have one real

0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.680
<v Speaker 2>practice to figure that out. After that, maybe you can

0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.159
<v Speaker 2>start to us, you know, maybe make some judgments on

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:30.840
<v Speaker 2>whether or not you think he needs to work. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, the Packers, they schedule

0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.880
<v Speaker 2>these joint practices for a reason. They want to get

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<v Speaker 2>that work against other NFL competition, other NFL defensive coordinators.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure based on how they feel getting through

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Family Night probably will go a long way and determining

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<v Speaker 2>which course of action they take as they move into

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<v Speaker 2>the preseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you want to get that work against other teams,

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<v Speaker 1>But where you have the opportunity to protect your players

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and particularly the quarterbacks, and that's where there is a

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.240
<v Speaker 1>lot of value, certainly for young quarterbacks particular and young

0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.960
<v Speaker 1>receivers and others on offense as well, that the packers

0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.680
<v Speaker 1>are going to try to take advantage of every opportunity

0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.120
<v Speaker 1>they have. There last thing I'll throw at you here, Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>before we go and get ready for Wednesday mornings opening practice.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything else that you that is on your radar that

0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be keeping an eye on in these

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<v Speaker 1>first couple of days of practice before we come back

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<v Speaker 1>for another show.

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<v Speaker 2>I always look at the special teams. I always look

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<v Speaker 2>at the coverage units. I mean, there's not a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot to be drawn about that in the first week

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<v Speaker 2>or so, but as you go through it, that's where

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.280
<v Speaker 2>you start to get some of those questions answered about

0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.440
<v Speaker 2>who could potentially be those those secondary guys, those those

0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:44.000
<v Speaker 2>guys that could end up making this roster as specialists.

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<v Speaker 2>When you see them start working on the first team units,

0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.760
<v Speaker 2>when you start seeing them build that familiarity, that actually

0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.439
<v Speaker 2>is sort of an glimpse into what the you know,

0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Rich Basaci and his coaches are thinking. But also I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is very important is seeing how the defense

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.199
<v Speaker 2>comes together throughout this training camp. Beause last year, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole idea and the mantra of everybody was that this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a top five group. They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be dominant. Look at how much success they're having

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<v Speaker 2>against Aaron Rodgers in this offense, and ultimately they got

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<v Speaker 2>off to a kind of a slow start. There are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be so many The defense is interesting right

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.680
<v Speaker 2>because there are so many positions where everything's solidified. If

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Devandre Campbell and Kwai Waraka are healthy, those are your

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<v Speaker 2>inside linebackers. They could play together for a thousand snaps

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<v Speaker 2>this season. You know, JayR Alexander, Rusoul Douglas and probably

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Keishaw Nixon are going to be out there all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>We know what the rotation looks like at outside linebacker,

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.960
<v Speaker 2>especially once Rashaun Gary's back. But defensive line, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of question marks. You have Kenny Clark, who has

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<v Speaker 2>been a two time Pro Bowl player, and then you

0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.480
<v Speaker 2>have the rest of the room that has combined for

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<v Speaker 2>two NFL starts. Right now, you look at the questions

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.040
<v Speaker 2>at safety right now, those are two big questions that

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Green Bay needs to answer with their position groups during

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.479
<v Speaker 2>this training camp and into the preseason. And I am

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<v Speaker 2>very interested to figure out what that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be because the defense does have I expectations and regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of how they look in these training camp practices, it

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 2>is going to be about making sure when you step

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 2>on the field at Ford Field, excuse me, Soldier Field

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.719
<v Speaker 2>in week one, this can be a group that can

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 2>be counted on and relied on here to help the

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Packers set the tone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think I think the other piece to

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<v Speaker 1>that too is that the Packers may you know, every

0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.199
<v Speaker 1>year we talk about the second year jump, but you know,

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.640
<v Speaker 1>players going from their rookie season to their second year.

0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 1>This year, in particular, I think the Packers are counting

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<v Speaker 1>on that second year jump to play a major part

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:37.560
<v Speaker 1>on both sides of the ball. When you look at Watson, Dobbs,

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and Toure at wide receiver. We talked about Zach tom

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<v Speaker 1>possibly winning a spot on the offensive line or being

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the next man up, being the sixth man, Kway Walker,

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Devonte Wyatt. On defense, those guys going into their second seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Matt Lafleur talked about those guys not playing

0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:59.680
<v Speaker 1>with any hesitation anymore. They should know the playbook. They

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's all out every snap. There isn't

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't as much thinking going on Brian Gudakunz mentioned

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.679
<v Speaker 1>it's about it's about consistency. Yeah, anybody, a rookie anywhere,

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>anybody from a rookie to a fifth year guy can

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.440
<v Speaker 1>flash in training camp and make a play here and there.

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.160
<v Speaker 1>But these guys who are graduating from being rookies into

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 1>second year players, can they establish consistency? Can they do

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>it day in and day out. It's not just you know,

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.400
<v Speaker 1>they make the headlines one day and then nobody's talking

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.879
<v Speaker 1>about them again for another week. So those are the

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:33.239
<v Speaker 1>things to watch for because this second year, that this

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 1>draft class from twenty twenty two, that is that's moving

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.159
<v Speaker 1>into their their second season there, the Packers are going

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>to be counting on a lot of those guys to

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<v Speaker 1>make a big time impact in twenty twenty three.

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the other reason to focus on a too mike.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Packers didn't feel like DeVante White couldn't handle it,

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 2>if they felt like TJ. Slaton could have handled it,

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 2>they were not so far up against the salary cap

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 2>that they couldn't have brought in veteran help. They did this,

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and they went the direction they went because they felt

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.399
<v Speaker 2>like these are the guys we drafted We knew the

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>situation with Dean Lowery and jer and read in a

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of these veterans, and we were confident in moving

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 2>forward with them now as the face of that defensive line.

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>It's a gamble, it's a risk always, but certainly the

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Packers want to give these guys that opportunity. Same thing

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:17.360
<v Speaker 2>at tight ends, same thing at receiver. You have young

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.640
<v Speaker 2>guys that you've invested in. Now you want to see

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>those investments start to pay dividends. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, they've got they've got to play. They've got they've

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:26.640
<v Speaker 1>got to prove it. They have to play and prove

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:29.399
<v Speaker 1>that they belong and the Packers are going to be

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>relying on some big time production out of young players

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>to make this twenty twenty three season of success. So

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<v Speaker 1>with that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition

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<v Speaker 1>of Packers Unscript. It'd be sure to follow all of

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>our coverage of the team, everything going on with training

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 1>camp at twenty twenty three. We will have it for

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<v Speaker 1>you on Packers dot com and Wes and I will

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<v Speaker 1>be back again in a couple of days. So for Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will see you next time,