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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another edition of Packers Unscripted

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Speaker 1: from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is

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Speaker 1: my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're still coming to you

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Speaker 1: from disparate locations at lambeau Field. Hopefully sooner than later

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Speaker 1: we will get back to normal with the setup in

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Speaker 1: the studio and all that. But that's a discussion for

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Speaker 1: another day because Wes. Today is the day before the

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Speaker 1: first practice of Packers Training Camp. So my first question

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Speaker 1: to you is are you ready for this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Michael, Because the fun thing about this, because

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Speaker 2: I've had so many people, actually was walking out of

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Speaker 2: the building with one of our it gurus, Tony Smith

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Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, and you know, he asked

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Speaker 2: me about like everyone asks, like, hey, what do you

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Speaker 2: think of the team? You know, what do you think

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Speaker 2: about training camp coming up? And the answer I've been

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Speaker 2: giving anybody, whether it's you and I discussing it or

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Speaker 2: whether it's inbox, is I'm just excited for the unknown.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, there's a lot of trials and tribulation that

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Speaker 2: are gonna come with that. There's gonna be ups and

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Speaker 2: downs that'll come with that. But at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day. I've never covered a situation like this before,

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Speaker 2: and I thought it was very apropos that Matt Lafleur

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Speaker 2: and his pre training camp presser kind of one of

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Speaker 2: his last comments was, yeah, in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is my first year again, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's the same offense. They're not reinventing the wheel now

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Speaker 2: at Jordan Love under center, but you are preparing a

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Speaker 2: new quarterback for your scheme and to actually implement it

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Speaker 2: on a down out play, play by play basis. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's very exciting. So yes, am I ready?

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Speaker 2: I'd better be ready because it's right here in front

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Speaker 2: of us now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is. The first practice of training camp is

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Speaker 1: slated for Wednesday morning at Rainychki Field. It's gonna be hot,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be muggy. There's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 1: fans around.

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Speaker 2: Uh, well, you wear your tank top for this one,

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Speaker 2: your packers tank top?

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Speaker 1: At my tank top? No, I might. I might stick

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Speaker 1: with a uh, stick with with a T shirt and

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Speaker 1: then another one to change into after I sweat through

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Speaker 1: the first one. Yeah, but we'll uh, we shall see

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Speaker 1: lots of stuff to h to pay attention here as

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Speaker 1: training camp gets going, with the caveat that there is

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Speaker 1: a ramp up period. The pads are not going to

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Speaker 1: go on for a few days. Things the first few

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Speaker 1: days still going to feel a little bit like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, glorified. OTA's just a bigger crowd and and

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Speaker 1: whatnot in attendance. But but the first couple of things

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Speaker 1: that come to mind for me, aside from the quarterback

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love and and and Matt Lafleur did mention also

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Speaker 1: earlier on Tuesday, about the unknown with with regard to

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Speaker 1: just where things are going to go with this this

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Speaker 1: quarterback transition. There is a lot of unknown that everybody

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Speaker 1: has to work through, players, coaches. But the Packers are

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Speaker 1: heading into this training camp with what appear, at least

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Speaker 1: in my eyes to be too open starting positions. And

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about one on the defensive side of the

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Speaker 1: side at right tackle. Based on what we saw during

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Speaker 1: OTA's and mini camp in the spring, those are two

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Speaker 2: Can I kind of tap into your memory bank a

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Speaker 2: little bit, because you obviously have had a couple of

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Speaker 2: and I want to think, I want to ask you

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Speaker 2: if you think this is a if this is a

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Speaker 2: ripe comparison as far as safety is concerned. In some

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Speaker 2: ways now, I was more of the fan, the youngster

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Speaker 2: But this kind of reminds me of that transition that

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Speaker 2: the Packers sort of underwent when Mike McCarthy sort of

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Speaker 2: That's what this feels like right now with Green Bay

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Speaker 2: because while Darnell Savage is the returner, he's the guy

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Speaker 2: that's the former first round pick, the fifth year veteran,

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Speaker 2: the one that I would expect to be in that

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Speaker 2: as I've said before, with the position of safety itself

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Speaker 2: going to be the best compliment to Darnell Savage, whoever's

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Speaker 2: to see emerge in that spot because I think when

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Speaker 2: that list just keeps going on going, right. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Levitt has been one of the probably the most veteran

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Speaker 2: who's going to be the one that gets that spot?

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like safety is one of those positions

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Speaker 2: you don't want to see a platoon. You want to

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Speaker 2: see them build a one two combination of battery, if

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Speaker 2: you will. The pitcher and catcher of those two guys

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Speaker 2: working back there and I think when you look at

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Speaker 2: invested a lot into four years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this, I think, you know, six is

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Speaker 1: kind of wide open. I think the biggest difference there,

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Speaker 1: spring Rudy Ford, Jonathan Owens, Tarvarius Moore put him in

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Speaker 1: whatever order you want to right now. But those three

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Speaker 1: guys have a lot more NFL experience than the guys

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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of who's who's going to jump

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Speaker 1: for the San Francisco forty nine Ers a pretty darn

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Speaker 1: they're going to have to decide, you know, what is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd be remiss, you know. Also to mention

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Speaker 2: part of this because it is about who's going to start.

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Speaker 2: But one of the other reasons the Packers have all

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Speaker 2: When you mentioned Tarvarius More, yeah, he had a couple

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that Rudy came to

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Speaker 2: I know I'm an exceptional flyer. I know I'm an

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to prove that I can be a starter

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You'd have to probably search pretty long

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Speaker 2: these websites to find someone that has traveled such a

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Speaker 2: long road to become a one year every game starter,

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Speaker 2: playing almost a thousand snaps and then this offseason trying

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Speaker 2: to find another opportunity for himself that that chip on

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Speaker 1: Spot on the offensive side of the ball that appears

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Speaker 1: wide open as training campigins for the Packers is right tackle,

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Speaker 1: shaping up to be based on what we saw in

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Speaker 1: yosh Neimen and the second year pro Zach Tom a

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Speaker 1: fill in at various spots, including left tackle for David

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Speaker 1: Bakhtiari in a pinch. This will be interesting, West because

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Speaker 1: you're talking about two very different body types. But also

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Speaker 1: yosh Naimen has a heck of a lot of experience,

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Speaker 1: one of those things that could take multiple preseason games

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Speaker 1: to decide, Oh, who's going to be lining up there

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Speaker 1: in Week one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly the Packers want to have us starting five

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Speaker 2: there was still one game where Brian Blogo wasn't able

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Speaker 2: injuries that create domino effects. That's what's kind of funny

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Speaker 2: to me about this competition right now, because we're whether

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Speaker 2: or not Zach Tom prevails or Yashneiman prevails. Packers are

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Speaker 2: going to need both of these guys this year. Whoever

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Speaker 2: domino effect on the rest of the offensive line regardless.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, the most exciting part of it

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Speaker 2: is you have a guy in Zach Tom that I

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Speaker 2: think everybody agrees probably the better prospect in terms of

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Speaker 2: the intangibles, right three year starter in college, fourth round pick.

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Speaker 2: I love everything I saw from him and how he

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Speaker 2: was able to hit the ground running. In a lesser

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Speaker 2: terms of their roster, probably would have started more. It

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, one of the questions that Matt Lafleur answered,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to get that work against other teams,

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Speaker 1: But where you have the opportunity to protect your players

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Speaker 1: and particularly the quarterbacks, and that's where there is a

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Speaker 1: lot of value, certainly for young quarterbacks particular and young

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Speaker 1: receivers and others on offense as well, that the packers

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Speaker 1: are going to try to take advantage of every opportunity

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Speaker 1: they have. There last thing I'll throw at you here, Wes,

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Speaker 1: before we go and get ready for Wednesday mornings opening practice.

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Speaker 1: Anything else that you that is on your radar that

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Speaker 1: you're going to be keeping an eye on in these

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Speaker 1: first couple of days of practice before we come back

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Speaker 1: for another show.

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Speaker 2: I always look at the special teams. I always look

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Speaker 2: at the coverage units. I mean, there's not a whole

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Speaker 2: lot to be drawn about that in the first week

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Speaker 2: or so, but as you go through it, that's where

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Speaker 2: you start to get some of those questions answered about

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Speaker 2: who could potentially be those those secondary guys, those those

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Speaker 2: guys that could end up making this roster as specialists.

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Speaker 2: When you see them start working on the first team units,

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Speaker 2: when you start seeing them build that familiarity, that actually

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Speaker 2: is sort of an glimpse into what the you know,

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Speaker 2: Rich Basaci and his coaches are thinking. But also I

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Speaker 2: think this is very important is seeing how the defense

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Speaker 2: comes together throughout this training camp. Beause last year, the

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Speaker 2: whole idea and the mantra of everybody was that this

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Speaker 2: is going to be a top five group. They're going

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Speaker 2: to be dominant. Look at how much success they're having

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Speaker 2: against Aaron Rodgers in this offense, and ultimately they got

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Speaker 2: off to a kind of a slow start. There are

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Speaker 2: going to be so many The defense is interesting right

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Speaker 2: because there are so many positions where everything's solidified. If

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Speaker 2: Devandre Campbell and Kwai Waraka are healthy, those are your

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Speaker 2: inside linebackers. They could play together for a thousand snaps

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Speaker 2: this season. You know, JayR Alexander, Rusoul Douglas and probably

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Speaker 2: Keishaw Nixon are going to be out there all the time.

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Speaker 2: We know what the rotation looks like at outside linebacker,

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Speaker 2: especially once Rashaun Gary's back. But defensive line, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of question marks. You have Kenny Clark, who has

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Speaker 2: been a two time Pro Bowl player, and then you

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Speaker 2: have the rest of the room that has combined for

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Speaker 2: two NFL starts. Right now, you look at the questions

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Speaker 2: at safety right now, those are two big questions that

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Speaker 2: Green Bay needs to answer with their position groups during

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Speaker 2: this training camp and into the preseason. And I am

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Speaker 2: very interested to figure out what that is going to

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Speaker 2: be because the defense does have I expectations and regardless

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Speaker 2: of how they look in these training camp practices, it

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Speaker 2: is going to be about making sure when you step

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Speaker 2: on the field at Ford Field, excuse me, Soldier Field

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Speaker 2: in week one, this can be a group that can

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Speaker 2: be counted on and relied on here to help the

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Speaker 2: Packers set the tone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think the other piece to

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Speaker 1: that too is that the Packers may you know, every

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Speaker 1: year we talk about the second year jump, but you know,

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Speaker 1: players going from their rookie season to their second year.

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Speaker 1: This year, in particular, I think the Packers are counting

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Speaker 1: on that second year jump to play a major part

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Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. When you look at Watson, Dobbs,

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Speaker 1: and Toure at wide receiver. We talked about Zach tom

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Speaker 1: possibly winning a spot on the offensive line or being

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Speaker 1: the next man up, being the sixth man, Kway Walker,

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Speaker 1: Devonte Wyatt. On defense, those guys going into their second seasons,

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Speaker 1: you know, Matt Lafleur talked about those guys not playing

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Speaker 1: with any hesitation anymore. They should know the playbook. They

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's all out every snap. There isn't

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Speaker 1: there isn't as much thinking going on Brian Gudakunz mentioned

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Speaker 1: it's about it's about consistency. Yeah, anybody, a rookie anywhere,

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Speaker 1: anybody from a rookie to a fifth year guy can

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Speaker 1: flash in training camp and make a play here and there.

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Speaker 1: But these guys who are graduating from being rookies into

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Speaker 1: second year players, can they establish consistency? Can they do

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Speaker 1: it day in and day out. It's not just you know,

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Speaker 1: they make the headlines one day and then nobody's talking

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Speaker 1: about them again for another week. So those are the

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Speaker 1: things to watch for because this second year, that this

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Speaker 1: draft class from twenty twenty two, that is that's moving

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Speaker 1: into their their second season there, the Packers are going

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Speaker 1: to be counting on a lot of those guys to

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Speaker 1: make a big time impact in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other reason to focus on a too mike.

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Speaker 2: If the Packers didn't feel like DeVante White couldn't handle it,

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Speaker 2: if they felt like TJ. Slaton could have handled it,

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Speaker 2: they were not so far up against the salary cap

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Speaker 2: that they couldn't have brought in veteran help. They did this,

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Speaker 2: and they went the direction they went because they felt

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Speaker 2: like these are the guys we drafted We knew the

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Speaker 2: situation with Dean Lowery and jer and read in a

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Speaker 2: lot of these veterans, and we were confident in moving

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Speaker 2: forward with them now as the face of that defensive line.

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Speaker 2: It's a gamble, it's a risk always, but certainly the

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Speaker 2: Packers want to give these guys that opportunity. Same thing

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Speaker 2: at tight ends, same thing at receiver. You have young

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Speaker 2: guys that you've invested in. Now you want to see

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Speaker 2: those investments start to pay dividends. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they've got they've got to play. They've got they've

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Speaker 1: got to prove it. They have to play and prove

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Speaker 1: that they belong and the Packers are going to be

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Speaker 1: relying on some big time production out of young players

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Speaker 1: to make this twenty twenty three season of success. So

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Speaker 1: with that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Packers Unscript. It'd be sure to follow all of

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Speaker 1: our coverage of the team, everything going on with training

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Speaker 1: camp at twenty twenty three. We will have it for

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Speaker 1: you on Packers dot com and Wes and I will

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Speaker 1: be back again in a couple of days. So for Wes,

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Speaker 1: I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody, and

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Speaker 1: we will see you next time,