1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: From UFOs two ghosts and government cover ups. Histories were 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to now. Welcome back 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel, 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: and I am then most importantly you are you, or 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: at least we hope, and that makes this stuff they 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Gentlemen, today, we are looking 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: at something controversial, to say the least. Yes, this is 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: something uh that has vehement reactions on either side, and 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: what we're going to try and do is tell you 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: about it, explain the scythes and give you a little 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: historical background on maybe some maybe some context about why 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: people would believe something like this. And because so many 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: of our best suggestions come from our listeners, we went 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: to Twitter before recording this, just a little bit before 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: recording it, as we sometimes do, and asked, asked you 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: or you if you follow us on Twitter? What what 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: we should address? What? What are some points we should address? 19 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: And we've got a few nomad if you guys are 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: cool with I'll read a few of them, all right, So, uh, 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: Stewart Lucky asked us, uh, where in particular do people 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: supposedly recruit or hire crisis actors or is it just 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: done internally? And then let's see, uh, propaganda do ask 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: us how is it pretty much? I'm paraphrasing prop do. 25 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: But you say that a conspiracy powerful enough to stage 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: all these events and hid the truth can't afford new actors. Uh. 27 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Kolby says, what about the photoshop abilities to age young 28 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: of five people in image used in conjunction with crisis actors? 29 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: Are videos of dummies being staged a positioned at Sandy 30 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: Hook the Boston bombing video? Uh? And people want to 31 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: know about Tim Osmond, one distraught woman who shows up 32 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: in multiple cases. Uh. And then we also have uh, 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: let's see Kolby k has a bunch of these. Um 34 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: says that one woman died in two of them and 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: that the media used the same image slightly cropped and screwed. 36 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: People really want to hear about Sandy Hook and the 37 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: father and that, uh, the last one, it's not not 38 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: related and you'll enjoy this one is lethal feeders music 39 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: says no, but could you please have no old turn 40 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: up his microphone. He's on the quieter side sometimes and 41 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: hard to hear. Hashtag constructive. What I've never heard that 42 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: before in my life. People are always telling me to 43 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: pipe down. Yeah, okay, okay, I can do that. That's 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: on me. We'll pipe up. That's no, it's on me 45 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: production lines, because I mean, it's my job to fiddle 46 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the knobs. And obviously maybe I'm just you know, insecure 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: and I want to be quieter. But I'm gonna work 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: on that, guys. But Jeff such a great voice. Thank you. 49 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I look forward to hearing more of it. Yes, So 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: these are some of the questions that you've asked us. 51 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: We can't answer all of these, but we're gonna address 52 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: some of them. And one of the one of the 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: first places for us to start would be that, uh, 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: the times they are changing, and they appear to write 55 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: their disasters. It seems like you cannot turn on the 56 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: news without hearing about a mass shooting, a terrorist attack. 57 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: The other thing I'm sorry is going for a list. Well, 58 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, there are increasing environmental disasters that are occurring now. 59 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: So I mean just there are bad things on that 60 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: that TV or your Reddit feed perhaps, and the lovely 61 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: twenty four hour news cycle gives us these just like 62 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: loops of these things when they happen, and you know, 63 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: for example, the shooting at the Planned Parenthood the other 64 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: week or several weeks ago, I just felt like, as 65 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: the story was developing, you just turned on the TV 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: and it's just like this loop of like non information. 67 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: You know, they're just trying to fill time. So well, yeah, 68 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: there was the San Bernardino shooting recently, even after that, 69 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: and you know, did you guys see the whole thing 70 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: where news crews went into the apartment they went into 71 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: the part To my stomach, it was one of the 72 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: strangest things I've ever seen, and clearly the producer who 73 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: was present at the scene was uncomfortable with what the 74 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: journalist was attempting to do, which was divulging private information 75 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: based you know, people's license information and pictures of children 76 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: and such, and was ridiculed on the Daily Show for it. 77 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: Right now, it seems like that one could be an 78 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: episode into itself, because I've already been seeing things about 79 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: how you know, supposedly they had not cleared the scene, 80 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: and you know, some someone had to have given signed 81 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: off to allow those journalists to come in there. You know, 82 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: if it was still an active crime scene, there would 83 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: have been tape up, they would not have been able 84 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: to get in the way they had. So, you know, 85 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: the story CNN told I don't mean to go too 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: long on this, let me know if I am, But 87 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 1: the story CNN told was that the FBI had already 88 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: gone in and taken all the evidence out that they 89 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: needed that they thought was pertinent, and then control of 90 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the apartment was officially under the person who owned the 91 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: apartment complex. It seemed like it happened really really fast, 92 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: as all yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, it all just came 93 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: at you, and then you know, on the news, you 94 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: get analysis on essentially nothing. That's what I mean, That's 95 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: that's what I brought this whole thing up. It's just 96 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: they just it just ends up being these this minutia, 97 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: Like with the planned Parenthood shooting, where the guy was 98 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: still at large and there was really nothing to report. 99 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: They just kind of get like these random experts to 100 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: talk about the psychology of, you know, an active shooter situation, 101 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: which I suppose can be useful information, but it just 102 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, feels like they're just 103 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: filling out time and patting you know, their air time, 104 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: and it's just not particularly encouraging right, and how much 105 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: of it is in the in the wake of tragic event, 106 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: how much of that news is manufactured, you know, how 107 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: much of it is an echo chamber. When we talk 108 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: about manufacturing news, it gets one of the big things 109 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: that is tied up inherently in the crisis actor conspiracy theory, 110 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: which is a false flag attack. So if you listen 111 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: to this show or you watch our videos, you know 112 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: that we talk about false flags quite a lot. It's 113 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: a topic that comes up very heavily in our sphere here, 114 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: and uh, let's just go over it. A false flag 115 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: is essentially an attack that occurs when there's one group. 116 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: Let's say Group A is going to carry out an attack, 117 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: but they don't want anyone to know that they are 118 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: in fact Group A, so they either disguise themselves, dress 119 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: up in a way that Group B would dress up, 120 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: or fly the flag of Group B. H This was 121 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: an old tactic in naval warfare and it ben Yes, 122 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: the term comes from naval warfare, wherein one ship would 123 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: fly a false flag of flag that was not their own. So, 124 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: for the sake of argument, hypothetically, let's say that the 125 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: UK and Spain are both on the eastern coast of 126 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: what would later become the United States and a Spanish 127 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: Spanish ship. It decides that they are going to attack 128 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: a ship from UK. So what they do is instead 129 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: of sailing up to them, and keep in mind these 130 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: are sailing ships, you know, and they will see each 131 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: other coming, so right, So what they do instead is 132 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: they raise the British flag. When they raise that flag, 133 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: then the other ship, the ship they're attempting to uh 134 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: to to rob says oh, great, wonderful, jolly good, jolly good, Yeah, exactly, 135 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: jolly good to fellow British. Apologies to our UK. Listen, yeah, 136 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: we apologies, yeah, main mainly on my behalf. And then 137 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,679 Speaker 1: once within firing range or attack range, boom, British flag down, 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: Spanish flag up or uh. This could be a pirate 139 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: pirate practice, you know. This has also happened numerous times 140 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: in more modern ages, especially in the maritime field, but 141 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: not just in the water. Right. Oh, I was just 142 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: gonna stay too. That term false flag, it's funny to me. 143 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: It harkens back to a time where there were rules, 144 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: there were standards, you know, you had to you flew 145 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: your flag in the battlefield so that you knew who 146 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: your enemy was. And obviously warfare has let's say, devolved 147 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: into something much less sportsmanlike than that. Leave it there. Anyway, 148 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right and well about how warfare has changed 149 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: and adapted and evolved over the years. And there, Hey, 150 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: that's another podcast we can talk about how warfare has adapted, 151 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: for sure, if that's interesting in the future of it. 152 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: But Ben, under your point, yes, naval warfare isn't the 153 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: only place where false flags have occurred. There have. There 154 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: are numerous examples. One of them occurred when Japan wanted 155 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: to invade Manchuria. Oh yeah, n one, so to protect 156 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: their interest, Japan occupied UH Manchuria because of a bombing 157 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: and a railway. It's called the Mukden incident. However, here's 158 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: what happened though, Japan plant at the bomb what yeah, 159 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: and Japan blew up the UH the railway or tried to. 160 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't do the best job. But because 161 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: of that, in staid, oh, we have to protect the 162 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: South Manchuria Railway, which was Japanese don so boom, we 163 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: have to be there. So these are political maneuvers essentially, Yeah, yes, 164 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: spot on uh. And there's other stuff happens with German 165 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: forces invading Poland through a a series of false flags 166 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: known as Operation Himmler, and this comes. You can read 167 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: some more about this in a fantastic article by Skeptoid, 168 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: which I don't always agree with, but does it does 169 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: a good job. And it's just one of those things 170 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: that false flags seemed to be a way to get 171 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: around an official channel of getting something done right. It's 172 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: it's this weird, it's this weird way of I don't 173 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: understand it. It's like shooting your own foot almost a 174 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: lot of times so that you can get the doctor 175 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: that you really need to come in that didn't want 176 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: to come in or something. You know, that's a pretty 177 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: good example. I mean, it's weird. It's a strange, strange thing. Well, 178 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's an it's an active deceit or espionage 179 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: carried to an extreme and at times brutal degree. We 180 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: know that false flag attacks are real. We have a 181 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: bunch of possible or debatable false flag attacks. For instance, 182 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: the Gulf of Tonkin is often called one of those. 183 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: But the thing is that real, proven false flag attacks 184 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: are vastly outnumbered by alleged false flag attacks. Right and 185 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: we can see that there there's still a debate about that, 186 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: but they're also there's also this um disturbing habit where 187 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: people say, well, I don't believe the official story, therefore 188 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: this is a false flag attack. This is one of 189 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: the big pieces of the crisis actor theory, which brings 190 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: us to the question of the day, right, what is 191 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: a crisis actor. So, a crisis actor is basically a 192 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: person who is paid to role play or perform the 193 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: part of a victim or an antagonist or civilian or 194 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: any other bystander in war games or disaster drills. So 195 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: this I mean, specifically, I guess would refer to, you know, 196 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: a staged event that is understood to be staged. Is 197 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: that correct? Yeah, I'm just making sure I'm on the 198 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: right page here. Um, So, crisis actors are in fact real, 199 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a definite thing. In the you 200 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: know scenarios that we're describing here, you can find different 201 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: contractors and private companies not just in the States but 202 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: in other countries that use actors to make these disaster 203 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: drills in scenarios somehow more real. So, for example, like 204 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: an active shooter drill in an office building, you've got 205 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: companies that come in and train workers how to respond 206 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: to an active shooter scenario. This company might outsource these 207 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: crisis actors to come in either play the part of 208 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: the shooter, be a plant someone that works in the building, 209 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: to kind of change things up, go for the wrong exit, 210 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: give you examples to you know, uh, ignore like obstacles 211 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: almost to go through another way. Um, in order to 212 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: kind of like exercise what you've been taught. And it 213 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: doesn't necessary. I love to use example because it does 214 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: not necessarily need to be a military thing. It could 215 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: be a private industry. That's a really great point. I've 216 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: got a short story. Oh you have a short story? 217 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: Can I just give people a place that they can 218 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: go really fast? If you want to see a company 219 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: that does specialize in this, Yes, the UK one, Yeah, 220 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: I I This is one of the best examples that 221 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: I could find is called crisis cast dot com. It 222 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: says on the website, quote are specially trained professional role 223 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: play actors and internationally credited film crews bring realistic, informed 224 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: crisis management and disaster incidents to life. And then they 225 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: go on to talk about all the different things that 226 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: they can do with stunts, medical simulations, using film techniques 227 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: to bring the best of theater and film to our 228 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,239 Speaker 1: live immersive simulations. They also have a pretty interesting emphasis 229 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: on social media. They do damage control in that way, 230 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: which makes me think about is that like sock Puppets? 231 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: Is that what that is? I think it exactly verges 232 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: on that. It also verges on information or narrative management. 233 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: Probably when do you like, oh, Egypt is going up 234 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: in flames? When do you black out the Twitter? Or 235 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: even when like an unpopular person uh does like and 236 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: ask me anything on Reddit and you see like people 237 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: asking them really softball questions that have like newly created 238 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: accounts and stuff. Maybe something along those lines, if very well, 239 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: could be. We haven't taken the course. I wonder what 240 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: their prices are. Should we sign up for that? Yes, 241 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's going to be steep. It might get 242 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: a free trial. Maybe there's a yeah, maybe the first 243 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: ten minutes are free and then we just leave. Uh 244 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: So I have a yeah, ever story that kind of 245 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: ties into this because I first found out about crisis 246 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: actors actual crisis actors in a another life, and I'll 247 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: talk too much about my personal life on this show, 248 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start now. Other than to say that 249 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: I worked at a place that would handle various reports 250 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: of disasters from around the world, primarily in the Western Hemisphere, 251 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: and some of these calls would come from a place 252 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: called Fort Polk in Louisiana. And these people would call 253 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: because they were injured at work, and no often was 254 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: something minor, and they couldn't say too much about what 255 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: they were doing. It wasn't really the gist of our conversation. 256 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: But what I learned is that they were civilians who 257 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: are hired to role play in these things happening at 258 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: the UM, the Joint Readiness Operation or something like that 259 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: at Fort Polk. Wait, so were you not informed that 260 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: it was happening in advance, like you were just supposed 261 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: to take the call as you normally would. The phone 262 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: would ring and you would answer it and they would say, 263 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm calling from this whatever the contractor is, and 264 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: I got to report this injury, and then I'd say, oh, 265 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: all right, well let's go on. So the thing that 266 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: really started to shed some light in it was how 267 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: how did you injure yourself? And you could tell that 268 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: there was a certain language they had to use when 269 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: describing it. Right, there was already a talking point, but 270 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: they didn't involve a little things that made me, made 271 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: me stop or say. One person said, well, I was 272 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: leaving the village thinking weird you huh, And I thought, Wow, 273 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: Louisiana's on a whole another level. Man. They got villages, Yeah, 274 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: they got parishes. Why not have villages? You know? It 275 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: made you see? No, you get it. It made sense 276 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: at the time. Just to throw in one more example 277 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: here really fast. Uh, did you guys ever in your 278 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: high school do a thing called ghost out? Have you 279 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: ever heard of this term? No, but I'm intrigued. You 280 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: may have done. You may have experienced something similar, but 281 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: not ghost out like field day. It's kind of like 282 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: field Day, but it's the most macab version of it 283 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: that you can imagine. So, in an attempt to prevent 284 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: teenagers who are just getting their cars from drinking and 285 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: driving or driving recklessly. Uh, in Forsyth County where I 286 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: went to high school, they did this thing called ghost 287 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: out where they would bring a wrecked vehicle onto a 288 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: field and they would have the actors at the school 289 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: pretend that or sometimes they were actors. Sometimes they were 290 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: like really popular kids pretend like they had died or 291 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: gotten into this massive car accident. They'd get in the 292 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: car that's already crushed up a little bit and have 293 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: blood on them, and you know, some of them would 294 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: be dead, some of them would be barely alive. All 295 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: of the local police and first responders would show up 296 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: and basically use the jaws of life get the kids 297 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: out of the car. They would perform CPR on some 298 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: of them, on others, they would put a body bag, 299 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: put them into a body bag, and then there would 300 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: be a mock funeral and all this other stuff. I 301 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: just thought it was a really weird. It was my 302 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: first version of a crisis acting kind of thing, because 303 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: I was an actor back in those days, and it 304 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: took part in one of them. And it was very, 305 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: very strange to have a helicopter landing on your school, 306 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: something that you know, you don't see every day, and 307 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: it gives you that tension that something real is occurring. 308 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: I just want to know if you guys had ever 309 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: experienced anything like that. The closest thing that I have 310 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: experience of that was I remember when I was younger, 311 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: a lot of area churches would do these um tribulations 312 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: relations like like like church haunted houses, and they would 313 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: have things like wrecked cars outside with like ghostly teenagers 314 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: dead and you know, on drugs or whatever. And the 315 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: devil was a big part of it, and like he 316 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: would always you'd be these scenarios that were presented to 317 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: you and at the end, the devil would pop out, 318 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: and you know, it would be a whole thing. Um, 319 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: is that what you you're talking about? Ben? Yeah, I 320 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: just essentially the religious version of the haunted house exactly. Yeah, 321 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: but it was more of a sit down thing. Well, 322 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: now elementary schools are going through drills for active shooters. 323 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a a commonplace thing. My wife 324 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: was a school of psychologists before she quit to the 325 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: baby stuff, and they would every once in a while 326 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: they would have a drill where the police are there 327 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: and everybody's like huddled in a room and lockdown and everything. 328 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: It's an industry. I mean. Another show that I work 329 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: on that is Asn't Hasn't come out yet, a new thing. 330 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: We we speak to a couple of folks who are 331 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: former firefighters and police officers who now run a company 332 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: that trains office workers and how to react to active 333 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: shooters scenarios. And they were talking about how there was 334 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: one time years ago where they had heard about one 335 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: of these active shooter scenarios being done in a retirement 336 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: home without telling anybody that it was happening, and not 337 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: only did it result in a lot of traumatized elderly folks, um, 338 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: there were quite a few lawsuits that arose from it. 339 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: I can't imagine, So I would imagine that it would 340 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: be something you definitely have to prep elementary schools for. 341 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: In all these situations, save poor unfortunate residents of the 342 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: retirement community, there's one crucial important thing that you knew 343 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: they weren't really dead. Absolutely no, you knew it really 344 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: wasn't satan right, Yes, okay, But what if there was 345 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: another level to this? What if there's another level to 346 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: what we call, I hope you hear the finger quotes here, folks, 347 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: crisis acting. So what if there are actors where agents 348 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: hired not to enhance a training experience or what's what's 349 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: that phrase, a teaching moment, teachable moments, a teachable moment 350 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: of it, But what if instead they're hired to deceive 351 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: entire populations? That is that is the theory, the the 352 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: idea of when you hear people talk about crisis actors 353 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: on the internet, they're most likely not referring to this scenario. 354 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: Is we're just talking about that are proven to exist. Well, 355 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: and that is almost a hybrid of what we're describing 356 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: in terms of organizations hiring these actors to create these 357 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: teachable moments that you're talking about and those false flag attacks. 358 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: So it's almost like using actors to manipulate public opinion. 359 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: You're teaching well, well, I mean in theory you're teaching 360 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: the public way to feel if this is true, or 361 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: teaching the public a way to view a certain topic. 362 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: It certainly frames the discussion. Let's put it like right, yeah, 363 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: narrative management. Here's the gist, ladies and gentlemen, that certain forces, 364 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: typically thought to be government's, a coalition of governments, or 365 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: a cabal of New World Order types, pick pick your favorite, 366 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: are staging faked tragedies as a means of swaying the 367 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: population to support more extensive control over the po titty 368 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: and the common man or woman. So one of the 369 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: things that you may hear a lot, that the three 370 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: of us have heard a lot, is the idea that 371 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: mass shootings are some sort of staged eventment to justify 372 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: the abolishment of gun rights. Now I know, and that Matt, 373 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you putting that disclaimer there at the beginning. Here. 374 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: We know this is a controversial thing, and we know 375 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: that people have actually died those are irrefutable. However, to 376 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: say that we shouldn't, to say that we shouldn't look 377 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: at this concept or this idea defeats the purpose of 378 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: this show. Absolutely, So we're doing it. We're doing a 379 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: respectful way. We know that this can be a traumatic 380 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: topic for people, But this is the gist of the story. 381 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: You might hear other examples to promoting a culture of 382 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: fear that will make the population more amenable to to 383 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: widespread surveillance. Right. Absolutely, Most of these theories have several 384 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: layers of nuance depending on who's talking about them and 385 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: supporting them. You can hear different variations of these on 386 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: info Wars, and Professor James Tracy of Florida Pacific University 387 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: is one of the leading advocates of the concept. Yeah, 388 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: this guy crops up all over the place when you 389 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: look up crisis actors, the theories he was. I think 390 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: he was the first source that I found. I think 391 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: from two thousand thirteen, UM during the Sandy Hook shooting 392 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: where he was discussing these people are actors or not 393 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: discussing it. He was just he was saying alleging, yeah, 394 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: and alleging that the people are actors and these yeah, 395 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: and the proof here is where the debate hinges. Right, 396 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: So folks who believe in this crisis actor conspiracy idea 397 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: will show side by side photographic photographs. I said, photographic evidence. 398 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: But that's it's like a photograph, right, I'm just I'm 399 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: using too many works at this point. Is just pixels. Yeah, sure, 400 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: it's true. It's like the old Mitch Hedberg joke, like 401 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: every photo of you is a photo of you when 402 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: you were younger. Um. But the but the point being 403 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: that they show pictures of different tragedies and people from 404 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: different tragedies and say, ah, this is the same person. Yeah. 405 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: And a lot of times they'll try and do I guess, 406 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: amateur versions of looking at the nose and then drawing 407 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: shapes on the nose and then comparing it with the 408 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: other shapes. And I mean it's it's people in photoshop 409 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: that are attempting to see, in my opinion, a lot 410 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: of times what they want to see I see, no, 411 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: I got I've got a point for that one too. 412 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: But we'll go back to the Some of the other 413 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: proof or stuff offered as proof will be um errors 414 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: in early reporting or when the story changes. That happens 415 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: a lot, which because of this news cycle that I 416 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: was talking about, I mean it makes sense just like logistically, 417 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: people are trying to rush to be the first one 418 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: to report the facts of one of these crises because 419 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: people eat it up. It is super huge for ratings. 420 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean, people are glued to their TV steps when 421 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: these things happen, and so there is this like total 422 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: breakneck you know, race to be the first one to 423 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: report the story, and in that process things get lost 424 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: in the shuffle all the time. And it is also true, 425 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: to be absolutely fair, it is also true that news 426 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: stories can get can get suppressed. It's happened. You know. 427 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: It's like the old if you've heard of the Friday 428 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: night news dump, you know, or the Friday afternoon news dump. Yes, 429 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: so this is what okay. If ever, you have news 430 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: that you have to announce which don't want to get 431 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: a lot of attention on it and a lot of eyes, 432 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: what you do is you wait till Friday afternoon, when 433 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: no one gives a flying far fig nugan about what 434 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: you might be discussing. Sort of like that those handful 435 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: of months in the year when Hollywood studios released movies 436 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: that they know are going to be dogs, and they 437 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: don't screen them for critics, and they just kind of 438 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: want to just shove them out there and then basically 439 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: slew them un of the rug and pretend like they 440 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: never had What do they call those the dump months? 441 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: I want to uh So, that's that's another kind of 442 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: proof that's offered that the news might get something wrong, which, 443 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: as we see, is debatable absolutely. A third notion would 444 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: be that the people who see an interview, for instance, 445 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: are not themselves persuaded that the person is real. Implication 446 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: being that not only is this a crisis actor, but 447 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: it's also a bad actor. And based on this interview, 448 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: I the one bringing the truth and able to because 449 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: I have the one bringing the truth them in an 450 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: amazing judge of character. And I can tell you that's 451 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: not how people react, probably due to a personal experience 452 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: in my life. We're an anecdote with which I am familiar. 453 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: That's a fair way to say it. That is a 454 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: very fair way to say it. A lot of the 455 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: accusations that come through are of people who are being 456 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: interviewed after a tragedy. You're absolutely right, and then you'll 457 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: see blog posts this. You know, did you see the 458 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: reaction of this father of this slain child, or did 459 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: you see the reaction of this person who was supposed 460 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: to be examining these bodies and how callous they were 461 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: in their discussion and they were laughing. And that's where 462 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: a lot of it, Uh yeah, a lot of it, 463 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: at least that I've seen, comes from there. Now I've 464 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen simpets of that interview, so I'm 465 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: familiar the one you're referring to. So there are more. 466 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: There are multiples from different tragedies, Okay, multiples from different 467 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: tragedies wherein there's like a remember, let's say, of someone 468 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: who who died who just seems like maybe they're not 469 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: mourning as much as they should be, at least according 470 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: to the blogs that you'll read. Okay, oh yeah, because 471 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was them, I didn't know 472 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: if it was if the you was you, and specific 473 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: we're we're just talking about those general accusations. We're talking 474 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: about the general accusations well, and to me, it seems 475 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: like a lot of that can come from this rush 476 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: to get reporting done on these things, whether it's with 477 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: experts or whether it's with eyewitnesses. And kind of a 478 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: comical example of how easily this can happen is on 479 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: the HLN network there was a supposed expert, uh talking 480 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: about Edward Snowden getting a Twitter account, and the whole 481 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: time this this um anchor I suppose, is interviewing him, 482 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: He's describing Edward scissor hands and like he says, quote 483 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: casting amount is just completely wrong just because he was 484 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: created on top of a mount by Vincent Price. And 485 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: the expert said, that's what the expert said, and he says, um, 486 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: you know Edward snow And then he said, you know, 487 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: it was just it wasn't until he poked a hole 488 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: in the water bed with his scissor finger that people 489 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: started to turn on him. And he's saying all these 490 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: things and this uh, this anchor is just smiling and nodding, 491 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: and it just goes to show that, like I mean, 492 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: people are pretty easily duped, even like who are thought 493 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: to be professionals I can't imagine the person interviewing him 494 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: or her thinking that, oh maybe that's just tech, you know, 495 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: mumbo jumbo that I don't get. Yeah, poking hole in 496 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: the water bed with the ulciss. Maybe their thoughts were occupied. 497 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they were aware, but they couldn't they Yeah, 498 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, but you have to ask you if you 499 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: were the anchor. I think everybody listeners you'd probably agree. 500 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: If you were the anchor, wouldn't you feel like it's 501 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: a great opportunity to earn some credibility by stopping? You know? 502 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: One might think it depends in that situation, depends on 503 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: when you were born, because that there is a window, 504 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: a very small window, or that movie was highly important 505 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: and I am in that window. We know what you would. Okay, 506 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: So let's get into a couple of specific examples of 507 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: when crisis actors have been alleged to be at work. 508 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: The first one is during the Sandy Hook School shooting 509 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve December four, twelve, and the official 510 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: story is that Adam Lanza, acting alone, went in and 511 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: killed twenty six people, twenty of which were aged six 512 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: to seven, at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Now, 513 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: this is by all accounts a a tragedy, like a 514 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: horrible thing that occurred. There are a lot of people 515 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: who say that it didn't actually occur. Um and that's 516 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: where these theories start to come in. There are all 517 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: kinds of theories about what happened that day, no one died, 518 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: or that The theories rain from accusations that Adam Lanza 519 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: wasn't the actual shooter, that he was perhaps a scapegoat, 520 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: or that there were multiple other shooters that were the 521 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: ones truly doing the killing. Uh and it ranges all 522 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: the way to the military was somehow involved to uh 523 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: and and really there's there are so many If you 524 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: want to learn more about that stuff, we have a 525 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: video called Sandy Hook Questions, Claims and Questions. You can 526 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: check that out and learn more about the the overall 527 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: Sandy Hook conspiracy. But but to get into the crisis 528 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: actors version of this, one of the prominent things people 529 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: were saying is that the whole thing wasn't real. It 530 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: was all some kind of staged event where all the 531 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: teachers and the kids, the parents, even the medical examiner, 532 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: they're all actors and they're putting on a play and 533 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: essentially a drill that then got filmed by these TV 534 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: cameras and the TV crews and it got turned into 535 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: a real event. And a couple of these specific examples 536 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,239 Speaker 1: within this specific example are one of the fathers of 537 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: one of the children who died. His name is Robbie Parker, 538 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: and he gave a press a press conference, uh gosh, 539 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: I think it was on the of December of that year, 540 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: and people when he first walks out, he's kind of 541 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: laughing with people that he's talking to before he walks 542 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: up to the mic, and he's smiling, and at least 543 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: according to the blogs, he appears to get into character 544 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: almost if you're going to be in a performance, and 545 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: then talks about his child, his daughter that just died. 546 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: And on the surface of it, I have to say, personally, 547 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,239 Speaker 1: I was a bit I felt weird about watching. It 548 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: didn't feel right to me. But that does not mean 549 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: you mean he came off disingenuously. It's not that he 550 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: came off disingenuous. It was just it it didn't it's 551 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: something didn't feel right, didn't And and just because the 552 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: way this man is dealing with the trauma of losing 553 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: his daughter, uh is different from the way that I 554 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: would probably deal with It doesn't mean that this man 555 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: is an actor. Not only that, I mean, think about 556 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: what it would mean to not only go through that trauma, 557 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: but to have to go through it in the public 558 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: eye and be propped up for a press conference. I 559 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: mean that would require some amount of quote unquote getting 560 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: in character, you know. I mean, it's it's I can't 561 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: even imagine. I can't even imagine. Another person that came 562 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: under scrutiny while this was all going down, like I 563 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: mentioned before, is the medical examiner Mr. Wayne Carver. The 564 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: second he also gave an interview to a bunch of press, 565 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: and he was discussing what he found, uh, from from 566 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: when he went through the school, from when he was 567 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: doing autopsies on some of the victims. And the guy 568 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: just comes off as extremely callous. It seems like he 569 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: didn't just experience all of these horrifying things that he 570 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: just experienced. But perhaps, I mean, because of his role 571 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: of what he does every day, maybe it's maybe he 572 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: is a bit uh. I don't reguard it against the 573 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: emotions of these kind of situations. You have to be 574 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: It's like being a being a detective or being a policeman, 575 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: a first responder of any kind, you have to be 576 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: a little bit not callous, maybe a little bit clinical. 577 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: You have to kind of like just act and you 578 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,239 Speaker 1: can't necessarily let the emotions of the situation affect you. 579 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: Otherwise you might make a mistake, you might not know 580 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: do things correctly, you might not follow the correct procedure. 581 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: So you have to kind of look at it in 582 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: a very clinical, procedural way. But I just have to 583 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: say again personally, when I remember watching this and I 584 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: watched it again for this podcast, there is something off 585 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: and it feels just strange when you're watching these some 586 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: of these interviews. So then why couldn't they get better actors? 587 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, Ben, I'm just asking, like, if you know, 588 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: if it if it is a matter of salesmanship and deception, 589 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't they go for the cream of the crop, or 590 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: at least someone marginally convincing. If that is the case, 591 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: I would tend to agree then, But let's let's go 592 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: really quickly. At least let's have a thought experiment about 593 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: what it would take for you to do this. How 594 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: much money would you have to be offered to do 595 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: something like that? Go in and pretend on in front 596 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: of cameras that something awful happened, knowing that it wasn't true, 597 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: and knowing that you were going to convince the world 598 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: that it was. So it's interesting that you bring up 599 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: that point, Matt, because that's something that was alluding to 600 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: earlier when we talk about the proof as far as 601 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: multiple people showing up in the same in different the 602 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: same person showing up in multiple disasters, Because how reasonable 603 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: is it to say that there is some vast, overarching 604 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy involving hundreds in some cases, what thousands of people 605 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: who can all manage to keep a sea grit and 606 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: be able to brilliantly execute something like this despite rough 607 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: around the edges proof that people believe they have found, 608 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: and then yet still say we're going to use the 609 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: same people. It's just it's the the believability factor for that, 610 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: for that alone, is very low to me, just objectively, 611 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: and if someone can explain to me why there would 612 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: be such an elaborate, difficult to execute plan that relied 613 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: on using the same looking people over and over, you 614 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like spending seven billion dollars 615 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: on a submarine program getting in the water and saying, 616 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: do you guys think the screen door is going to 617 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: be a problem? You know, Uh, it just doesn't add 618 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: It's I think the screen doors find Ben. But but 619 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: you know, I think you do a really good job 620 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: explaining that Sandy Hook example. I mean, and the whole 621 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: time you were doing that, I just feel myself, you know, 622 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: getting just a little nauseated that that someone would think 623 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: that because I just doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up. 624 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: And it's such an intensely tragic thing to have happened, 625 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: especially you know, if you've got loved ones who are 626 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: kids or kids yourself. Just to think that someone really 627 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: truly believes that that was staged, I just I just 628 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: find it. It's sort of as a little bit baffling. Yeah. 629 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: Can you imagine being the like being the father that 630 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: you and I are? Sorry, Ben, you are well, no, 631 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: I guess when you're talking about feeling a little off 632 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: about the father's uh you know, press conference again, I 633 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: just can you imagine you'd be losing your mind, You 634 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't know how to act, you know, and then you're 635 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: basically thrust on this podium and told to emote for 636 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: the cameras and there's probably so many thoughts going on, 637 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: so many kind of cow or intuitive emotions. You're like, 638 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, on the one hand, you want to honor 639 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: your child, demand you want to act as a source 640 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: of information for people. So there are these like competing motivations, 641 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: and it would just you'd get caught up in this mailstrom. 642 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: And I can't imagine just having to like center yourself 643 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: and prepare to do that. I mean, I would be 644 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: acting real, real weird. What are the effects of shock. 645 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: I just want to make the point that this guy, 646 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: after going through all that, then imagine going home and 647 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: then on your Facebook or you know, you're getting emails 648 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: or getting calls like, hey, we know you're an actor, 649 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: we know what you're doing. Your daughter never died, like 650 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: that whole other level of going through that. I mean, 651 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: what you're describing, it's it's on par with Holocaust denial 652 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:49,439 Speaker 1: to me. WHOA. So the the other interesting thing here 653 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: as well is that, no, it's gonna sound like I'm 654 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: against what you guys are saying, but I want you 655 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: to explore that feeling right now, that feeling being profoundly offended, 656 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: and think about how that affects a decision, because there 657 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: is um there is a bizarre turn here, and we 658 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: saved it till the end of the episode. Uh, this 659 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: is just imagine the catchphrase if you wish, when people 660 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: are when people are acting under the reins of emotion. 661 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: Let's uh, there's this need to strike out against an injustice, right, 662 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: a need to make the world right again after it 663 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: was so profoundly skewed. And that's where we get to 664 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: something that is that I think is equally disturbing. So 665 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: we've got the crisis actors that are real, right that 666 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: we know about, the ones that are paid right to 667 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: say this is what you do if there's a sue 668 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: or in the office. We have the crisis actors that 669 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: are alleged people who travel around and some kind of 670 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: twisted carnival faking disasters. Right according to the people who 671 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: believe that, say, in the Middle there's something that I 672 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: think is just as disturbing and it's equally real. Something 673 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: like crisis actors do exist and they play a key 674 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: role in the murky world of propaganda. One of them 675 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: helped justify US invasion in the Middle East, and her 676 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: name when she was given her testimony was nurse Nariyah 677 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: to justify invasion in Iraq. This uh, this person was 678 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: talking about Iraqi atrocity, c atracitys on the behalf of 679 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: the Iraqi army. I'll read her quote here. I volunteered 680 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: at the allad in the hospital with twelve what other 681 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: women who wanted to help as well. I was the 682 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: youngest volunteer. The other women were from twenty to thirty 683 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: years old. While I was there, I saw the Iraqi 684 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: soldiers come into the hospital with guns. They took the 685 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: babies out of the incubators, took the incubators and left 686 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: the children to die on the cold floor. Here at 687 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: the last part, she's crying it was horrifying. So it 688 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: turns out that one she's not a nurse too, she's 689 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 1: the daughter of the Aquiti ambassador to the US, and 690 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: that the incubator stuff wasn't true. It also turns out 691 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: that she was probably working in concert with a pr 692 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: group called Hill and Knowlton. And although it's not clear 693 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: right now how much of her testimony is coached, there 694 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: were there's some pretty compelling reports that Hill and Knowlton 695 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: provided witnesses, wrote their testimony, and coached the heck out 696 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 1: of them and here's the other thing. It pretty much worked, 697 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: didn't it. Well, that's what history would say because at 698 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: the time, the emotional atmosphere based on this atrocity compelled 699 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: people to say, you know, it equated saying this story 700 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: doesn't add up to becoming a fan of pulling children 701 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: out of incubators and tossing them on the hospital floors. 702 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 1: How could you speak against this story when it was happening, 703 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: right because of this emotional equivalency. Now, I only say 704 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: that because it's interesting and with I'm going to go 705 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: out and say it, guys understanding where what um? I 706 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: understand the offensive nature of the the whole theories or 707 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: the approach people are taking with those theories, and no, 708 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm on board with you. I think that there is 709 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: a certain amount of offensiveness and just in the lack 710 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: of empathy or the lack of consideration when people have 711 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: actually died. These events that we're talking about are not 712 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: uh Fort Polk scenarios where someone stubs their thumb pretending 713 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: to be a villager. Right, These people, men, women, and 714 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: children died in many ways, were execute, were murdered, and 715 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: two and then and there's a very valid argument that 716 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,720 Speaker 1: to explore those kind of things, or to accuse people 717 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: who somehow survived the tragedy of being Charlatan's demeans not 718 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: only then but degrades the value of the life's laws. 719 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: I think a sort of a slightly less extreme example 720 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: that's happening right now can be found in some of 721 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: the things UM presidential candidate Donald Trump finds himself saying, 722 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, describing groups of of of Muslims having tailgate 723 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: parties watching the World Trade Center's collapse, completely unverifiable, no 724 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: one's found any footage of it, but he won't back 725 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: down from it. And it's just a way of dividing people, 726 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: and UM, it's something that people who share his perspective, 727 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: perhaps UM can latch onto and use it to fuel 728 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: their anger. And I think a lot of these alleged 729 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: um UH incidents of crisis actors could be intended to 730 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: do the same thing. And like what you're talking about 731 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: with h yeah, with nurse no Riyah, UM clearly an 732 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: attempt to shift public opinion, and that can be done 733 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: in small and large ways. And I think, you know, 734 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: Trump is a good example of a bit of a 735 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: propaganda machine, you know, I mean a lot of the 736 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: things he says can't be verified. We've heard some great 737 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: you not to get too political, but we have heard 738 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: some fantastic and fascinating conspiracy theories, specifically about Donald Trump 739 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: and specifically you know about well Bernie Sanders and Hillary 740 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: Clinton as well. And we have a pretty we have 741 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: a pretty compelling episode about the Federal Election Commission which 742 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: goes a long way and I personally believe that one, 743 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: which goes a long way towards explaining why, uh, it's 744 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: so difficult to rest control from the dichotomy of the 745 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: two party system. Yeah, third parties have no chance basically 746 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: when it comes to getting time on television with debates. Yeah, 747 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's stuff, but you can. You can 748 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: watch that video. The only drawback to that video, I 749 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: would say, is that Noll's not in it. Yeah, it's 750 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: just you and I. I'm okay with that. Oh yeah whatever. No, 751 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: we did a great job. Have you seen it? We 752 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: we both we take sides campaigning. No oh no, no, 753 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: I need to dig into the back catalog. It would 754 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: have been good because then we could have done a 755 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 1: real third party. It would have been really good. If 756 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: I had remembered a red tie because in the video 757 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: we were both wearing blue ties, and I feel like, oh, yeah, 758 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: that was a bad move, Matt. At the time, I 759 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: think I only owned one tie. No wait, that's not true. 760 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 1: I have two ties. One is black. That's the only 761 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: kind of have. I guess if we're just not really talking, 762 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, I didn't it was. I watched a 763 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: great episode of Futurama last night where it was about 764 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: a presidential election for president of the world, and all 765 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: three candidates were clones and they were wearing the same 766 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: exact outfit, had the an exact voice, and I'll have 767 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: the pretty much same exact opinions, only just ever so 768 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: slightly tweaked. And then the third party candidate was Robot 769 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: Richard Nixon with he had stolen Bender's body. Just just 770 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: one thing that reminds me absolutely of a great, a 771 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: great book which I recommend called the Illuminatous Trilogy. Have 772 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: you guys heard about this? Friend of mine? Just turn 773 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: me onto it, and um, I've been meaning to to 774 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: really dig into it. So it's it's pretty darn good. 775 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: Written by a guy named Robert she a guy named 776 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: Robert Anton Wilson, which a lot of you guys out 777 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: there listeners will already recognize that second name. But I 778 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: mentioned this because there's a part in that there's a 779 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: part in that book where they're describing leaders of the world, 780 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: and it doesn't happen consecutively. It will be one leader 781 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: who's like the president of the United States, one leader 782 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: as a president of somewhere else whatever. And what they 783 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 1: did that was so clever is they take the same 784 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: exact pograph and they change it so that you know 785 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,240 Speaker 1: it's about the one person, and then it just occurs 786 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: in the book. And I thought, I thought it was brilliant. Plus, 787 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's saves time on writing. But isn't that 788 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: the didn't that inspire the Illuminati the game? I I 789 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: feel like that's before Yeah, I can see them being 790 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: tied together. But no, no spoilers. For anyone who wants 791 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: to read it, do check it out. I know it 792 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,280 Speaker 1: looks like a hefty tone, but it's a pretty it's 793 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: a pretty fast read too. Well, if you guys don't 794 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: have anything else, I feel like we should maybe do 795 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: some listener mail. Yeah, so this one is from Melissa. Hi, guys, 796 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: I love the show, but lately you keep doing that 797 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: thing where you pose questions that you don't answer. On 798 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: the Ghost podcast, you all discuss whether Christians believe in 799 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: ghosts but didn't have any information on it. It drives 800 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,280 Speaker 1: me crazy, and you guys have been so good about 801 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: it so far. Maybe you could try to keep track 802 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: of when that happens and add an extra section at 803 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: the end after you've checked out. Um, that is all 804 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: on me. Uh Lately, I feel like I have just 805 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,479 Speaker 1: been willy nilly posing questions that just pop into my head, 806 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: and sometimes we do get away from the answers. I 807 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: do think though, that Matt had a good point about 808 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: whether Christians believe in ghosts or not, and simply because 809 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: of you know, the fact that they have the Holy 810 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: Ghost and the Holy Trinity and the idea of the afterlife, 811 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: it feels like they'd be more prone to believe in ghosts. 812 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,240 Speaker 1: And that's kind of where we left it, But probably 813 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: a little more research into that would be appropriate. Any 814 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,799 Speaker 1: question is any question worth asking is worth finding an 815 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: answer to. That's my response on it, and I'm i 816 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: am excited about the idea of setting up something a 817 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: segment wherein we could address things like that. Maybe beyond 818 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: listener mail. But the only way to know that is 819 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: for uh, is for listeners to respond like you just did, Melissa, 820 00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 1: and we appreciate it, and we certainly appreciate the time 821 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 1: listening to this show. No promises, of course, because this 822 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: show is a work in progress, but we're going to 823 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: keep an eye on that. And thank you again for writing. 824 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: Does somebody else have a listener mail really fast? I 825 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: want to jump in and say thanks to Edward for 826 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: sending sending over a killer track. It was awesome. He 827 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: was responding to you know about the Guidestones documentary that 828 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: you made, and he sent over a track called Encounter 829 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: at RUA nineteen. It was great. I loved it. Have 830 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: you not heard this? Ye have not heard this yet? 831 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: Oh man? All right, well can we play it on 832 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: the podcast. I don't know if there's any copyrighted stuff 833 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: in there. I think he made it, but he sampled 834 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: some flutes that I I don't know, So Edward, you'll 835 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: have to get back to us and then maybe we 836 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 1: can play it. Edward, I'm sorry I didn't hear that. 837 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: I will definitely go digging through the the old end 838 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: box and and uh, you know, listen, give that one 839 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: a listen. So thanks for listening and thanks for responding. 840 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad you like the guys tones doc. So if 841 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: you want to join in in this converse station and 842 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: all the conversations that we have here into the future, 843 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,240 Speaker 1: you can contact us. 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