1 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Aftey. The problem 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to talk 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: about a variety of issues with one of our favorite guests, 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: doctor Karen Sigemund, But before we do, I'll give you 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of background to a very important panel 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: discussion we're going to be having later. 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: Than the day. 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: As we speak, we are at a moment in which 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: epic changes are taking place in the Middle East, some 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: of them catalyzed by enemies of our country, some of 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: them most recently catalyzed by President Donald J. Trump during 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: his recent visit to the region. We don't know exactly 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: which direction this always turmoiled region will take. Will it 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: be in the direction of freedom and respect for the 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: values we hold dear, or will it be in the 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: direction of greater threats than ever to this country and others, 19 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: notably Israel. We must get to the bottom of these 20 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: questions sooner rather than later, and take the steps that 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: are needed to protect our country in the event the 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: worst befalls us. We're going to talk with doctor Karen Sigemun, 23 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: among other things, about the work of her terrific organization, 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: the American Freedom Alliance, which is it happens, is doing 25 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: a program on this very issue of the Middle East 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: with yours truly and two people who really know what 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: they're talking about. That would be Daniel Greenfield, the new 28 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: CEO of a wonderful organization also out in Los Angeles, 29 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: the David Horowitz Freedom Center, and our friend and colleague 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: and frequent guest, doctor David Wormser of the Center for 31 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: Security Policy. We're going to talk with Karen about that 32 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: program and much much more, but before we do, let 33 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: me just give you a sense of the remarkable background 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: of this woman. I only recently learned that she is 35 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: a mensa. She is a member of that society that 36 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: our friend George Rasley is qualifying her to be one 37 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: of our duty geniuses. Alongside our friend George. She is 38 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: also a woman who distinguished herself at a very young 39 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: age as one of the country's foremost experts on anti 40 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: submarine warfare, of all things, presumably having something to do 41 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: with her extraordinary skill in mathematics and science. She has 42 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: gone on to a pH d in education and teaching 43 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: and now runs this terrific organization. I'm proud to be 44 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: on its board of advisors and also to have worked 45 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: with her on a number of programs, including a terrific 46 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: road show that we did together in the run up 47 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty four election. We'll talk much more 48 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: about that in a moment, but before we do, let 49 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: me properly welcome doctor Karen Sigemund and say thank you 50 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: for taking a full hour of your time to talk 51 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: with us about so many issues of importance to well 52 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: to us of course, but also I believe to our 53 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: audience as well well. 54 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Frank Is always it's terrific to 55 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: speak with you, and what a beautiful and comprehensive and 56 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: very flattering introduction, just starting at the back there. 57 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 4: The World War three World War G road. 58 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: Show that we took to Swing States last year informing 59 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: people about, as you mentioned, these threats was such a 60 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: remarkable experience, and I find myself sort of longing for 61 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: the work that we were doing. And it was exactly 62 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: a year ago that we started that endeavor, not knowing 63 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: how it was going to go, but it went very 64 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: very well, and it was a real. 65 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: Well, we'll hold the thought. Karen. 66 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I do want to come back to that, because I 67 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to communicate about both the experience 68 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: of the road show itself, but also the topics that 69 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: we were highlighting with of you two trying to inform 70 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: American voters in five key swing states about what was 71 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: on the line in the selection, not for the purposes 72 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: of telling them how to votelind you, but to inform 73 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: them so they could vote responsibly. But let's start though, 74 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: with the program at hand. 75 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: Karen. 76 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, As I say, we're pre recording this program, but 77 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: later in the day it airs, we will be having 78 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: a really important conversation in Los Angeles about the Middle East. 79 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: Give us your vision. 80 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: Of what that program is intended to address, and a 81 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: little bit more background on the participants, if you would. 82 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 3: Well, when we first started putting this together, the argument 83 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: at the time, so a few months ago, was we're 84 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: talking about the US involvement with Israel. We're helping Israel, 85 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: We're giving Israel money, weaponry, and so on. We recognized 86 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: the horrors of two years ago, coming up on two 87 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: years the assault on Israel, the utterly vile, anti humane, 88 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: anti human attacks that were launched against Israel, and in 89 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: the moment, we recognize we need Israel needed to do 90 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: something in retaliation, We needed to stand with them. But 91 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: then what we saw kind of shockingly was an incredible 92 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: surge of anti Semitism, anti Israeli sent anti Israel sentiment, 93 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: and it was like wildfire, if we can excuse the expression, 94 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: through our campuses, well fed through various agencies that have 95 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: been fomenting anti Semitism for decades, and it really came 96 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: to such a massive conflagration, and there started to be 97 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: pushed back against how obviously against our helping Israel, and 98 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: so we wanted to frame a conversation at that time 99 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: addressing why it is an America's national interest, national security 100 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: interest to support Israel, and you and I have spoken 101 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: on this at length. Then the pictures started shifting even 102 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: more with President Trump going to the Middle East, and 103 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: a lot of us have just started to feel this, 104 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: while yes it's in our national interest, that whole arena 105 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: is much more tangled and complicated, and there's a lot 106 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: of diplomatic activity going on at the same time as 107 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: more violent activity. It's getting kinetic. There's deals being made 108 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: just there's this whole, big constellation of things going on 109 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: that we felt this was singularly timely to do this 110 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: event because people are. 111 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: Very very confused. 112 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: Some are feeling that, oh Trump, president Trump is going, 113 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: so we have nothing to worry about. Some are feeling 114 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: President Trump is going and so we have everything to 115 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: worry about. Some are still saying we need to completely 116 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: disconnect from Israel. So there's just thousands of threads that 117 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: need to be pulled in order to make. 118 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: Some sense of it. 119 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: And so I'm very glad we put together to this 120 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: panel all those months ago because it's increasingly not less 121 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: important than it even was at the time. 122 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: And two of the most extraordinary, thoughtful, deeply knowledgeable people 123 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: about national security were at large. I think it's fair 124 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: to say, but specifically about this region of the Middle 125 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: East and especially the connection to it that we have 126 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: as a nation. As I said, Daniel Greenfield of the 127 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: David Horwitz Freedom Center and David Wormser of the Center 128 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: for Security Policy, could you talk a little bit about 129 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: the program and what you envision the three. 130 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: Of us are going to be talking about. 131 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Daniel Greenfield has long been just an exceptional 132 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: voice for pretty much everything's I've seen him talk countless times, 133 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: we hosted him a number of times, and he truly 134 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 3: is an expert on the region and as you note, 135 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 3: on our policy and personnel related to how we address 136 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 3: this national security issue for US. He is now, as 137 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: you said, the new CEO of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, 138 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: and I'm so excited to see what comes out of 139 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: the center now long just a great resource here in 140 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: Los Angeles and for the country, really the whole Freedom Center, 141 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: and Daniel. 142 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: Will be a true characterizing it as is true of 143 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: your organization as well, that you're operating. 144 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: Behind enemy lines. 145 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he talk a little bit more about that, as 146 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: well as David Warmsaw's role in this. On the other 147 00:09:40,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: side of the very short break, stay tuned. Karen Sigamann 148 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: is in the house. Praise the Lord. We are visiting 149 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: with her for this full hour. I think it will 150 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: prove to be a very informative conversation. I always learn 151 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: something when we speak and look forward to doing so, 152 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: probably in more than one area. We're speaking initially about 153 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: the Middle East, what's happening there at the moment, and 154 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: a very important, I think conversation that Karen is hosting 155 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles on the evening of May twenty seventh, tonight, 156 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: as this program airs, as well as through the miracle videotapes, 157 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: what she will do to inform a lot more people 158 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: than we'll be able to join us for the program. 159 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm a participant, but we were talking about the two mainstays. 160 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: Daniel Greenfield, you introduced Karen and I frankly, he is 161 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: a polymath. I never ceased to be amazed at the 162 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: depth of his understanding of multiple subjects and his ability 163 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: to you spoke earlier about the threads coming together. He 164 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: pulls those dots together in a way that is unlike 165 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: anybody else, with the possible exception of doctor David Warmsur. 166 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: And I want you to know that this audience, of course, 167 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: is familiar with David. We talk with him basically every week. 168 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: He is a profoundly impressive fellow with extensive understanding of it, 169 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: not least from his own time in government service. What 170 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: do you hope to draw out from Dr Worms in 171 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: the course of. 172 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: This program his experience, it seems what I've been gathering 173 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 3: through your webinars, through your interviews with him, and through 174 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: our experience with him, also he participated in at least 175 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 3: one of our World War three road show events. Is 176 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 3: just it's a profound knowledge of what's actually happening on 177 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: the ground in Israel and a deep core knowledge of 178 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: all the players and activity and consequences of action that 179 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 3: goes on in the Middle East. So it's again we're 180 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: trying we're addressing the issues of the Middle East, absolutely, 181 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: but also we're really trying to bring it back to 182 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: the role that America plays, can play, should play, has played, 183 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: tease this entire thing out and examine how really the 184 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: paradigm of the entire Middle East situation is right now 185 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 3: under a massive transition. 186 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 4: And part of. 187 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: Why we do this, obviously is to inform our audience 188 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: and as you say, through the miracle of video, broader 189 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: than our live studio audience that we wind up having 190 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: in our videos get tremendous views. We need also to 191 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: bring the knowledge that you all have and I to 192 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: a certain extent, but this panel of experts bring that 193 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 3: knowledge into the White House because there's a lot of consultation, 194 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: there's a lot of education, a lot of information that 195 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: has to come from the outside to the inside, and 196 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: in large part, I think this conversation can be useful 197 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: not only to those of us outside, but to those 198 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 3: decision makers on this crucial existential topic. 199 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Karen, we both spoke about a transition. 200 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: There's no question that things are in ferment. Yes, I'm 201 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: interested in your thoughts about whether or not some of 202 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: the fundamentals are actually being altered or not. I mean, 203 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: for example, we're told that this guy, Mohammad al Sharah, 204 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: also known as Mohammad al Jolaniger from the time he 205 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: was an Al Qaeda and isis commander. He's now the 206 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: president of Syria. He's now been recognized by, among others, 207 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: President Trump. Sanctions have now been lifted on his government 208 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: and country. 209 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: And I must say I have real. 210 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: Misgivings about the idea that this guy has changed his spots, 211 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with somebody who has transitioned, if you will, 212 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: to something very different from what he has been, as 213 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: opposed to simply a practitioner of as our friend John 214 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: Guandola has talked about on this program recently, deception, which 215 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: is part and parcel of, you know, the Sharia technique for. 216 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: Achieving dominance of everybody else. 217 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that point and throwing Cutter 218 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: perhaps as another example of are we seeing some real 219 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: changes or superficial ones? 220 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: Well, exactly right, and that at the top of my 221 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: list of things to be concerned about right now are 222 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: those two Syria with an al Qaeda leader as their 223 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: president recognized by our president. 224 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: And then we'll talk about Cotter. 225 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: Also, it's I happen to believe spots are not in 226 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: fact changed, that the names changed, that they they're masters 227 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: at shape shifting, at recrafting a narrative, at creating different 228 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: organizations that actually wind up doing exactly the same original 229 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: mission Takia. The very idea of takia in Islam is 230 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: to deceive in order to achieve your final goal. And 231 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: what is the final goal global Islam? So to me, 232 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 3: and maybe I ought not say this, but the mission 233 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: among Islamists or or Islam itself is not too dissimilar 234 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: from global communists or the left generally, which is, will 235 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: do whatever it takes in order to win. And the 236 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: goal is to win. It is to be global. It 237 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: is to leave no room for anybody else in anything, and. 238 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: We will deceive. 239 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: Why do whatever possible in order to attain that, never leave, 240 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: Always keep your eye on the prize on the goal and. 241 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: By any means necessary. 242 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: We've seen it in the left, and I think we 243 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: see the same thing from Muslim run governments that is 244 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:52,359 Speaker 3: the goal. 245 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Well, and organizations too like the organization as you know, Karen, 246 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 1: we've long talked about that similarity, difference in outcomes that 247 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: they pursue, to be sure, but the similar character I 248 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: call it. 249 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: It is just totalitarianism. 250 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: Yes, different stripes, and I would throw in the globalist 251 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: as well, by the way, we'll come back to that 252 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: as you are a member of the Solvy Coalition worrying 253 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: about that particular crowd. But that red green axis is, 254 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: as you say, prepared to make common cause despite their differences, 255 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: not the least are the atheistic character of the communists 256 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: and the Sharia adherent character of the Islamists. Nonetheless, are 257 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: coming together for what reason to dispatch us. 258 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say, right we are the enemy. 259 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 4: Freedom is the enemy. Independent thought is the enemy. 260 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 3: Judeo Christian values and tenets and all that's built on 261 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 3: it are the enemy. Western civilization is the enemy. The 262 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: family as constructed here in the West is the enemy. 263 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: Free thought, innovation, it's all the enemy, and it almost 264 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: be brought down, and we see all the myriad ways 265 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: in which they are doing so and the red green axis. 266 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: They are completely aligned. 267 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: In the methods, if not in the eventual outcome. But 268 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: we are beset by this war from all sides, in 269 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 3: the globalists as you say as well, and of course 270 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: they're all completely tangled up with the World Health Organization 271 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: being driven by a Chinese Communist party selected leader, the 272 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 3: connection between the between China and the Vatican, now that 273 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: we're exploring, it's all again a big tangle with as 274 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: their purpose taking us down, and which means that we 275 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 3: need to fight at every single turn, every time we 276 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: bump up against one of these efforts on their part 277 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: to take us down, be it the family or Judeo 278 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 3: Christian values, or freedom or speech, we have to fight 279 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 3: them whatever it's, whatever direction it comes from. 280 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: And you're not by any means suggesting that's always kinetic. 281 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: There may be times when it has to be. 282 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: But to prevent it from. 283 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: Political warfare dimension to this that is arrayed against us 284 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: and must be fought back in kind, correct, Karen, We 285 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: have to take another break. We'll be right back with 286 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: much more with doctor Karen Sigamun of the American Freedom Alliance. 287 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: You can find it at American Freedom Alliance dot org, 288 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: and I urge you to do so consistently of your effects. 289 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back, and once again welcome to Karen Sigmund. She 290 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: is with us for this full hour. I'm very pleased 291 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: to say, addressing a variety of topics we've been discussing 292 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: the Middle East and before we transition to China, which 293 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: I also want to cover with you, Karen, I thought 294 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: it might be worth just a look ahead, perhaps at 295 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: some of the things that might be coming out of 296 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: the President's trip to the Middle East. One thing, of course, 297 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: is we just did touch on the recognition of Syria 298 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: and the lifting of sanctions. There questions abound about what 299 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: is the likely upshot of the negotiations with Iran and 300 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: whether we might actually see the Israelis believe that we're 301 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: out of time and they mean to act militarily despite 302 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: those negotiations. Similarly, Gaza, what is likely to come out 303 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: of all of that. I'm interested in your thoughts that 304 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: there's a rumor as we speak that the Trump administration 305 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: might actually have some pronouncement on the so called two 306 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: state solution as well creating some kind of Palestinian entity 307 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: less time I checked Donald Trump head in mind, there 308 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: being a US entity in Gaza, which would be a 309 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: considerable improvement I think what's been there. But again, just 310 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: again give us some overall perspective from your point of 311 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: view in the run up to this event as to 312 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: how these various things are shaking out. 313 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 3: There's so much at play, and like we had mentioned, 314 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: there's Syria, there's Cutter with the various deals being made. 315 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: I don't know what to make of the plane or. 316 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 3: Not, but I do know that the deal with Boeing, 317 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: how do you say that that's a bad thing? 318 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 4: Although making, I don't know. 319 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 3: It's all much trickier than I would have thought deal making. 320 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: I revert back to the Cold War, and this is 321 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 4: an entirely novel way of approaching the enemy. 322 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 3: Reagan met with Gorbachev, but there was never any of 323 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 3: anything like this. Is commerce the way to keep things 324 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 3: from going kinetic. It seems to me in a sense 325 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: that to Donald Trump, a businessman, a master businessman from 326 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 3: New York City, that commerce that financed that economic deal 327 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 3: making may well be the tool that he sees is 328 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: the most useful in terms of keeping actual war, fighting 329 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 3: hot war, kinetic war at bay. 330 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: I don't know. 331 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: I don't know that it's necessarily been done in quite 332 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 3: this way. It's not a new idea. People have said 333 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: nations that do commerce with one another tend to not 334 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 3: fight each other, but that's been proven to not be true. 335 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of nostrums about this. I had 336 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: an interesting conversation with our friend Rod Martin, the chairman 337 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: of our Institute for the American Futures, you know, Karen, 338 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: in which he was propounding this as kind of a 339 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: Trump doctrine. Yeah, I felt constrained to point out to 340 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: him that, well, this is kind of the theory that 341 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: we were operating under with respect to the Chinese Communist Party. Yes, 342 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, if we just did enough business with them, 343 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: if we entangled them enough in our financial and commercial affairs, 344 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: that not only would there be a war, but they 345 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: would become more like us. And as we will talk 346 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: about more when we come to China here in a moment, 347 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: ain't necessarily so. And I'm concerned that if you don't 348 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: actually have changes on the ground in terms of not 349 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: just physical changes, I'm talking about you know, the the 350 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: metaphysical or the ideological changes at least, that you may 351 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: well simply be making an enemy more powerful and more dangerous, 352 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: as we've seen with. 353 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 3: Chum Well exactly, and and as as we were saying before, 354 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 3: also with regard to Syria, and with regard to dealing 355 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 3: with Muslim Islamist nations, generally, they they keep the end 356 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: goal the same and will shape shift order in order 357 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: to accomplish it, this kind of commerce, economic warfare, without 358 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: recognizing the very real existential fact that to them, they're 359 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 3: just they're they're benefiting while they're they're waiting us out, 360 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: or bleeding us dry, or benefiting. 361 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: From us, all kinds of. 362 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: Right that don't benefit us, and that make our enemy stronger. 363 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 4: And that's a real concern. 364 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: And and I'm not entirely sure that the realities of 365 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: all of this are really taken on board by the 366 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 3: people who need to have it taken on board. The 367 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: friendship with Cotter, the friendship with Syria, an Iran deal, now, 368 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: it all it has me all very very anxious because 369 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 3: they they are all of a piece, they are all 370 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 3: part of the same enemy anti West entity, and we're 371 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 3: playing appeasement games with them in a in a way 372 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: that that doesn't that doesn't usually bode well. On the 373 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: other hand, if President President Trump has made all kinds 374 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: of miracles occur through his machinations as long as he's 375 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: we've always said he plays seventeen dimensional chess or whatever. 376 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: If that is in fact the case, and if he 377 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 3: has in the back of his mind a goal that 378 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: he is aiming for, recognizing that they continue to have 379 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: us as the enemy, I'd be more comfortable. 380 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 4: He needs to be very. 381 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: Excellent question, and we will be, I'm sure, exploring that 382 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: in detail. And people who are not going to be 383 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: able to with us be with us on the twenty 384 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: seventh in Los Angeles will be able to see the 385 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: video shortly thereafter. And where will they find that current? 386 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely on our rumble channel American Freedom Alliances Rumble channel 387 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: YouTube channel we're on x increasingly now, and of course 388 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: our website Americanfreedom Alliance dot org. 389 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: Okay, we look forward to putting this together and rolling 390 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: it out and sharing it as widely as we can. 391 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: Let me pivot to another We touched on it a 392 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: moment ago China. I'm mindful that as an educator, you 393 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: have I think a very important insight into the techniques 394 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: that have been used well, frankly now increasingly on our 395 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: kids through things like TikTok for both the red purposes, China's, 396 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: especially in the Greens, the Islamists, the various stripes to 397 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: shape their attitudes towards some of the challenges that you've 398 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: just laid out, Attitudes towards Israel very markedly, but also 399 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: perhaps towards Taiwan, towards the whole idea that we may 400 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: well find ourselves having to engage militarily to defend things 401 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: of vital interest to us in one part of the 402 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: world or another. Could you just explore with us what 403 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: you're seeing in terms of young people, many of whom 404 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: are very profoundly influenced by, among others, Tucker Carlson in 405 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: their thinking about the world we're in and the kinds 406 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: of challenges that we're facing. 407 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. 408 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 3: Well, totalitarians have always known that the way to affect 409 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 3: and take down a nation is through its children. Lenin 410 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: knew it, Hitler knew it, Stalin knew it. Every dictator 411 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: has always known it. And what we're seeing now is 412 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: the consequences of a very concerted effort to impact our 413 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 3: children so let's put Tucker aside just for a second 414 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 3: and TikTok, but. 415 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 4: Just for a second. 416 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: Schools are not teaching children the realities of the world 417 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: in which they live. That means they're not teaching about 418 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: Israel and its birth and why and who they are. 419 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: They're not teaching about China and the unbelievably the human 420 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: rights violations at every turn that they perpetrate, not to 421 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: mention how their anti environment. If you're going to go 422 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: all environmentalists, you cannot leave out China. China is painted 423 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 3: as this magnificent, wholesome, delightful country that had some trouble 424 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: a few decades ago, but that now is just good 425 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: and maybe different, but still very good. So you've got 426 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 3: these influences. You've got the billions of dollars put in 427 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: by Cotter perpetuating these lies. You've got the billions of 428 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: dollars put in by China, the Chinese Communist Party, perpetuating 429 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: these lies. So kids are raised and educated with these 430 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: notions that are completely contrary to reality. At the same 431 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: time as they are told that the one great scourge 432 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 3: of the planet is the one that they live in 433 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: the United States of America. So you're teaching that what's 434 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: bad is good, what's good is bad. All this money 435 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 3: is poured into it. You're not allowing them to think, 436 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: which is where TikTok comes in. The quick, the indoctrination, 437 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: the propagandizing, the unbelievably short attention span that is involved. 438 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 3: Our kids' brains are being completely Everything that goes in 439 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 3: is completely inverse of what it needs to be in 440 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: order for us to be a safe nation with a 441 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: national security posture that is grounded in reality, and the 442 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 3: psychic damage that it does to our kids is horrific. 443 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: So if you teach kids what's bad is good, what's 444 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 3: good is bad, they are much more vulnerable to the 445 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 3: likes of anybody, including Tucker Carls and anybody including TikTok. 446 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: But if schools, which were supposed to teach kids to think, 447 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: to know the truth, to know the canon, to know 448 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: the shoulders of the the with the greats on whose 449 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 3: shoulders we stand on what they had thought and taught, 450 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 3: if they are made aware of what all they are given, 451 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: they will be inoculated against all this nonsense wherever it 452 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: comes from. 453 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 4: Instead, they are. 454 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: Unbelievably and criminally vulnerable to what they're being told. 455 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: Karen, this is such an important point, we have to 456 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: take another break. When we come back. I want to 457 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: explore this idea that well, it'll all be okay if 458 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: Americans own TikTok, but possibly it still has the same 459 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: algorithm and the same ultimate Chinese masters. 460 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: I don't think this is going to work out. 461 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 5: Stay tune, we'll talk with Cat sigem at all straight out. 462 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to this hour long conversation with doctor Karen Sigimann, 463 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: a world class educator, a woman who has her PhD 464 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: in the subject and has been practicing it at elementary 465 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: school levels and in the course of her various degrees 466 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: at other levels as well, and has some profound insights 467 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: into what it is we are indoctrinating our children to believe, 468 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: or if not we, our enemies are certainly doing. Going 469 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: back to the midiest just for a second, Karen, we 470 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: were talking about Cutter. Turns out the Kataris are pouring 471 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: a fortune into influence operations on college campuses, and that 472 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: has translated into radical anti Semitic, in some cases violent 473 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: demonstrations against Israel and for that matter, American policy and 474 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: the TikTok feed day in and day out is subversive 475 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: in the extreme is a theory that has been sort 476 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: of in flux. I guess it's fair to say. In 477 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 1: official Washington, the Congress, on a bipartisan overwhelming bi cameral 478 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: basis said this platform must be eliminated from the Chinese 479 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: sort of puppeteers who have been running it to such 480 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: a toxic effect here in favor of an American company 481 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: owning it. There's talk about an immense amount of money 482 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: being amassed to purchase it, a little bit less clarity 483 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: about who might actually be providing kind of the back 484 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: end of it. From what you know and what you've seen, 485 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: how important is it that this really be deprogrammed from 486 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: anything having to do with the Chinese Communist Party? 487 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: Well, we need to completely decouple from the Chinese Communist 488 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: Party in every way. And why do we know this 489 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: Because they've declared war on us. They've declared unrestricted warfare 490 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 3: on us. Ergo, whenever they're connected with is going to 491 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 3: be a part of that. I don't see how there's 492 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 3: any way around it. They declared war, they take action 493 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 3: against us, how are any of those actions going to 494 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 3: be to our benefit? And of course, as we see 495 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 3: in every single arena they're not and again going after 496 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 3: the children and children's minds. 497 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 4: It's such an obviously effective tactic. How do we know 498 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 4: this too? 499 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 3: Because their TikTok in China is different from our TikTok here, 500 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 3: and our TikTok here our children here not entirely due 501 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: to TikTok, but in part our students are kids. When 502 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: asked what their number one aspiration to be is, they 503 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 3: want to be an influencer. 504 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 4: And I mean, I didn't this isn't. 505 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 3: My research a celebrity and an influ and in China 506 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 3: it's to be an astronaut, which that used to be 507 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 3: the case here. So we're killing actual aspirational thought in 508 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 3: our children while filling them with such empty vapidity. I 509 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: know it's redundant, but it's criminal what we are doing 510 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 3: to our children. We are removing the notion of challenge 511 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 3: from them in innovation aspiration, and we're giving them instead 512 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 3: the most absurd, narcissistic ways of thinking about the world 513 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: and themselves, to such an extent that they are committing 514 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 3: suicide at rates that are nothing short of tragic. And 515 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 3: you bring in fentanyl, another Chinese import, if it comes 516 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 3: from China. We need to be extremely wary and cut 517 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 3: it off. 518 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 2: Karen. 519 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: One of the other things that you have done with 520 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: great effect at the American Freedom Alliance, and you've sort 521 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: of touched on aspects of it here, is assessing the 522 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: impact of the so called culture wars on men, on 523 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: women and children's I believe could you just give us 524 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: a short introduction to the kind of work that the 525 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: American Freedom Alliance has been doing, and again, they can 526 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: find out much more about it American Freedom Alliance DOG. 527 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: But how does the culture and. 528 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: What's happening to it bear on these national security considerations 529 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: among other things. 530 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 3: Well, there is an adage that says politics is downstream 531 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 3: from culture, and I've long believed that the culture, being 532 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 3: what it is, is what creates politics, the particular flavor 533 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 3: of politics at the time. But I think what the 534 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 3: left has done so brilliantly with its long march, our 535 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 3: current Democrat institutions and tactics have really muddied those waters 536 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 3: to such a degree that I don't know that you 537 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 3: can particularly separate them. It's it's not a it looks 538 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: like a cultural thing to have men in women's bathrooms, 539 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 3: but the fact of the matter is it's a political 540 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 3: move to say that men can become women, women can 541 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 3: become men. Is a political move to have men and 542 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: women's sports. The war on women, which I contend is feminism. 543 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 3: Feminism has been a leftist Marxist tactic war on women 544 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 3: and incidentally on men too. Feminism is absolutely oh and 545 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 3: it's all about undermining the family. The war on men, 546 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 3: the war on fathers, on warriors, on boys, being told 547 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 3: that their their inherent maleness, their masculinity, is a toxic 548 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 3: trait women, the war on women, war on children, that 549 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 3: that somehow there's a possibility of worn in the wrong body, 550 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 3: and of teachers being the arbiters of who decides whether 551 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 3: a child is a boy or a girl and whether 552 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 3: or not it's worth concealing from the parents. So that 553 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 3: the interference by the state, by the nation, by the government, 554 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 3: the interference of the government in the family structure, taking 555 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 3: the position in loco parentis and keeping parents out. That 556 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 3: is a massive war again on Western civilization, on Judeo 557 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: Christian values. And as you note, on the family and 558 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 3: the family is the number one element that helps support 559 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 3: everything that we believe in. 560 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 4: And how do you take it down? You go after 561 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 4: the family. 562 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 2: You do. 563 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: Indeed, in loco parentis, of course, is of fancy Latin 564 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: phrase for. 565 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 2: In places effect in place of. 566 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 4: Parents of the parent. 567 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: And we've done that so much in our government schools, 568 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: notably with you've been a teacher, you know firsthand the 569 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: influence they can have. And you've seen now increasingly these 570 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: stories about really radical leftist teachers in government schools, public 571 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: schools who are radicalizing these kids, encouraging them to have 572 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: confusion about their genders, and so much else, and and 573 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: and if your purpose is to take down the country, 574 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: I think this is the connective tissue. All of these 575 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: things very much have that in mind, as good cultural 576 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: Marxists understand all too well. Karen, our final break, we're 577 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: going to come right back and we're going to talk about, 578 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: among other things, the war on religion as well with 579 00:39:40,239 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: Karen sigmon Right after this, we're back for this final 580 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: installment of our hour long conversation with Karen Sigamund. And 581 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: it always flies by when you are having fun, and 582 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: we always do have fun with Karen, so good to 583 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: have her with us. Thank you again for giving us 584 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: generously of your time. Karen, I did want to turn 585 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: to one other focus of the cultural Marxist onslaught. Going 586 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: back to Marx himself, religion was something that had to 587 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: be crushed by, you know, the proletariat or its leaders. 588 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: And what we've seen, I think there's no getting around it. 589 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: Of late, especially is a spiritual warfare that is being 590 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: waged relentlessly against yes, families, and against men and women 591 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: and children and all that, but against God not least. 592 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: Is your take on all of that, if you want. 593 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 3: It's absolutely it's absolutely true. And again every dictator knows, 594 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 3: every totalitarian knows, every tyrant knows. You have to remove 595 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 3: God from people's worlds, their lives, their worldview. People cannot 596 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 3: think of anything bigger than themselves. That's not the state. 597 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 3: They can't have any solace anywhere, that's not the state. 598 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 3: They can't seek support from anywhere, that's not the state. 599 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 3: Even recognizing that humans have a desperate need for all 600 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 3: those things. They have a need for solace, They have 601 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 3: a need to be part of something bigger. They have 602 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 3: a need to sense that they're part of something bigger 603 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 3: than the mundane, than the world around them. We have 604 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 3: this need, we need to know purpose, We need to 605 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 3: have a feeling that this it doesn't end when we die, 606 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 3: that there's something bigger, grander, that we're part of, a 607 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 3: bigger hole. And dictators, tyrants all know that the only 608 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 3: way to win is to be that thing that provides 609 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 3: the answer to all of those things. But if you 610 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 3: give people a church or a synagogue or some vehicle 611 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 3: for a belief system that's other than the state, they're 612 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 3: not going to come to the state. So tyrants the 613 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 3: world over have always eliminated God, the church, spirituality generally, 614 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 3: and if you the opiate of the masses, so it's maligned. 615 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 3: And if you recall Obama, President Obama's video about Julia, 616 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,240 Speaker 3: who was born, lived her life, died not with family, 617 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 3: not with not with not with God, not with any 618 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 3: of our classic institutions. But the only support she had, 619 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 3: this Julia lady, through this lonely life, the only way 620 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 3: she ever got anywhere was through the aid of the state. 621 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 3: That is their vision, and they can only do it 622 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 3: when you eliminate God. We've seen God taken from schools, 623 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 3: We're seeing God taken from churches. It is a stunning 624 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 3: development for churches to not be allowed to have actual 625 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 3: Catholic Christian Protestant dogma as their guiding light. You can't 626 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 3: have statuary that might have fed. 627 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: So we've seen this especially you touched on it earlier 628 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: in communist China with the acquiescence of the Roman Catholic Church. 629 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: And one of the things that you've been very helpful 630 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: on is an effort we've been making to repeal the 631 00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 1: secret deal between the Vatican and the Chinese Communist Party. 632 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: And it couldn't be more important now for all the 633 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: reasons that you've just mentioned. It is a war not 634 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: just on Catholics or even Christians or people of faith 635 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: for that matter, in China. 636 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 2: It is what these. 637 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: Well anti christ figures, and I mean that literally in 638 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: the person of Hu Jingping have in mind for all 639 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: of us, I believe, Karen, I did want to close 640 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: with one particular salute to you. In the course of 641 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: our five state road show, you came up with a 642 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: wonderful metaphor for people to think about the kind of 643 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: environment we've just been talking about in the course of 644 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: the past hour, the challenges that are out there, and 645 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: the fact that most of us are unaware that they loom, 646 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: let alone, that they are as well portentous as they 647 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: are give us that analogy, if you would and explain. 648 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 649 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 3: So, as we did the road show, and as we 650 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 3: did World War three, World War GI, the parallels between 651 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 3: that and the Cold War that I'd come up in 652 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 3: as had you. One of the parallels was that during 653 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 3: that Cold War, everyone was aware of it. But what 654 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 3: struck me I did come up with the metaphor we 655 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 3: all know the adage, if a tree falls in the 656 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 3: woods and there's nobody there to hear it, does it 657 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 3: still make a sound? The one that crossed my mind was, 658 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 3: if you're in a war but nobody will acknowledge it, 659 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 3: can you still lose? And it just it resonates so 660 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 3: deeply with me, even when I say it, and I've 661 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 3: heard myself say it a number of times, shocking. It's 662 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 3: shocking how people are so completely unaware even as we 663 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 3: have been losing this war fought on every front, the 664 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 3: Left's long march through the institutions. Here, we've got China, 665 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 3: we've got Caughder, we've got men becoming women, all of 666 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 3: all of these attacks and people being unaware what happened 667 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 3: November fifth. Thank god we did get President Trump in 668 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 3: the White House, which means that now we have as 669 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 3: president someone who recognizes the war and who's fighting it 670 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 3: on our side. But that does not at all mean 671 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 3: that the war is over or has been one. It's 672 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 3: our job to ensure that people are aware that we're 673 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 3: in a war, as we did on the road show, 674 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 3: and to show which side is the side of good, 675 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 3: which side is the side of America, a freedom of 676 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 3: Western civilization, and which is the side that wants to 677 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,959 Speaker 3: conquer us and enslave. 678 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: Us, and as well along the road to accomplishing that. 679 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: And I don't mean this is a criticism of President Trump. 680 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,919 Speaker 1: I think you're right. He does, in a very visceral way, 681 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: understand a lot of what we've just been discussing. I 682 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: would urge him, though, to be were forthright and talking 683 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 1: about these problems. And he does in certain respects, to 684 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: be sure, But particularly the job that I think is 685 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: of paramount importance. We try to do it in our 686 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 1: small way, connecting the dots between these various challenges, global challenges, 687 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: the totalitarians, the culture wars, the war on religion, and 688 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: so on, to help bring a certain coherence to it 689 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 1: all so that our audience and the American people more 690 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: generally can understand what we're up against and what must 691 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: be done about it. You do a fabulous job of 692 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: that at the American Freedom Alliance. 693 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 2: Keep it up. 694 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: I know you will come back with us very soon anytime. 695 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: Check it out at Americanfreedom Alliance dot org. Folks, come 696 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: back to us next time. Until then, go forth and multiply.