WEBVTT - Psychic Network (5/3/2017)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Solid verbal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be happy for dake Ado State? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that woo woom? And Dan and Tye welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Solid Verble boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildenbrandt.

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<v Speaker 1>I am joined as always by my good friend. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a colleague, he's a co host for many years. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is Dan Rubinstein. Over there in New York City, Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you? Ty?

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<v Speaker 3>I am excited. I am ready to go. I could

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<v Speaker 3>not be looking forward to this show more. We've got

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<v Speaker 3>a longtime friend coming. We have baseless, baseless predictions, and

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<v Speaker 3>we get to talk about intellectual things with college football,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's something for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not prepared for this intellectual portion.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan, We never are, Ty, That's what makes us so charming.

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<v Speaker 1>It is May. It is the college football off season.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks ago, we put out our How

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<v Speaker 1>Coaches Get Made show, which people seem to enjoy. People

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<v Speaker 1>seem to enjoy that. We had a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 1>with the show we did last week as well, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know we're doing our best here to make the

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<v Speaker 1>time pass in the doldrums that are the college football

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<v Speaker 1>off season. Now, we've been doing this for a number

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<v Speaker 1>of years now, and one of the shows that I

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<v Speaker 1>know you mentioned to me earlier in the week that

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<v Speaker 1>we need to plan out that we need to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure happens this history of the soliverbal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the Ultimate Naval Gaze.

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<v Speaker 1>So I believe that's going to happen tentatively at some

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<v Speaker 1>point in July. We've had a couple people ask us

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<v Speaker 1>when might that show be in the build up to

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<v Speaker 1>what will be our tenth college football regular season, which

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<v Speaker 1>is crazy. We will be doing a history of style

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<v Speaker 1>show at some point later this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>You will not be revealing the secret day job.

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<v Speaker 1>I will not be revealing this secret day job, but

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<v Speaker 1>we will be giving you a unique behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>look at how the sausage gets made here, how it's

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<v Speaker 1>gotten made over the years. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So this will be our tenth season like football season together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's sort of a preamble to that. If you

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<v Speaker 3>haven't and even if you don't listen to the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>as you should, that's insane. Listen to the Starters formerly

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<v Speaker 3>known as the Basketball Jones. They did it, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say last year or the year before h and

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<v Speaker 3>it's an incredible listen just like how far those guys

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<v Speaker 3>have come there now on NBA TV. So really proud

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<v Speaker 3>of them and hopefully you guys will enjoy it, because

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<v Speaker 3>every once in a while we have people say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know know how you guys sort of started

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<v Speaker 3>this up and met, and then we'll be able to

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<v Speaker 3>send them an hour and a half link here you go. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>everything you could possibly want to know about us and

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on in our lives is everything was

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<v Speaker 3>transpiring with the show, and we were growing and how

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<v Speaker 3>we did things and how we think we did things.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're going to do that over the summer. At

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<v Speaker 3>some point. We've got another show planned with our friend

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<v Speaker 3>Bill Barnwell, Yes, a look back at a new topic

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<v Speaker 3>before it was EMO. We're going to wax nostalgic about

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<v Speaker 3>something else that we have planned.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so excited about this show, Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've got some plans And because the feedback on

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<v Speaker 3>the How College Football Worked episode with the coaching hires

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<v Speaker 3>seem to be exceedingly positive, which we're never quite used to.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a plan. I think to do a couple

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<v Speaker 3>more of those. Hopefully we can get it all done

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<v Speaker 3>in the spring. But time getting married in three and

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<v Speaker 3>a half weeks. Yes, I got some plans. You got

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<v Speaker 3>some plans. No, But we have time, so I think

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<v Speaker 3>we can knock out a couple more of those during

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<v Speaker 3>the off season.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the plan. We thank you for listening. Don't forget.

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<v Speaker 1>You can subscribe at iTunes, dot com, slash, Soliverbal, or

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<v Speaker 1>Look us up. We're the Sliverbal. We're also on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>the works. Okay, so Dan, Yeah, what are we doing today? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Ty?

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<v Speaker 3>I love that that song behind you. Today, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>look into some crystal balls. We're gonna look into the future.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking at the horizon. We're gonna look into the

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<v Speaker 3>layers of this universe college football in which we live.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to try to just find truth, Ty. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to look at the spring and we're going to say,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a thing that exists. What does it mean

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<v Speaker 3>for the future?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it? That song just sort of comes at

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<v Speaker 1>you in waves, doesn't it right?

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<v Speaker 3>It starts up, it comes down.

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<v Speaker 1>I laughed, I make some emotion angry. Yeah, really the

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<v Speaker 1>full damdle tie.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, So we're gonna bring on our friend Bill Connolly

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<v Speaker 3>of Vespianation Podcasting played nobody and of course his new

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<v Speaker 3>book about the fifty best and most interesting and greatest

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<v Speaker 3>teams of all time and talk about that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So again, packed full of emotions. Ty, we're gonna look

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<v Speaker 3>into the future, We're going to look into the past.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to stay in the present. The show is

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<v Speaker 3>literally just it's a thrown together good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Without further ado. Let's welcome in our friend Bill Connelly. Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you? I'm good?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>You're already previewing teams? You've been previewing teams for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple months now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm almost done with the mid majors as a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, finished finished AAC, got the AAC Power

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<v Speaker 2>Rankings coming up, got inb's on deck, and then it's

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<v Speaker 2>onto the Big twelve, which is a power conference and

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<v Speaker 2>is still better than the AAC.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you how do you do that? Like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is your process for acquiring that information so far in advance?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean the biggest thing. I mean a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it is obviously pulling off of last year's stats,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'll set that up in January kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a template for each one, and then as I get

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<v Speaker 2>close to each preview, then you know, I'll have everything

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<v Speaker 2>set up for in this template, and then I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>go in and add guys or you know, subtract the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who left. It is kind of tricky early on

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<v Speaker 2>because it takes him till probably the end of February, aka,

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<v Speaker 2>after I'm done with the sun Belt for teams to

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<v Speaker 2>really start updating those twenty seventeen rosters. So AL do

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<v Speaker 2>my best, but there's no way to avoid kind of

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<v Speaker 2>getting some roster bits wrong here and there for the

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<v Speaker 2>early team. And occasionally, if I actually get my act

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<v Speaker 2>together and I worked ahead a couple of days, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>end up with something like the NIU preview where it

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<v Speaker 2>was like late March and their quarterback from last year

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm blanking on his name Maddie or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like he was going to get a sixth year.

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<v Speaker 2>He was listed on the roster, they had started spring practice.

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<v Speaker 2>I took that to mean that he had gotten his

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<v Speaker 2>sixth year as planned and then like two days before

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<v Speaker 2>I actually wrote the preview, it came out that he

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<v Speaker 2>had been denied. So occasionally you'll get that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>get most of it, right, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Ty, you know what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that Bill

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<v Speaker 3>uses current information to try and look into the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh That's what I'm hearing, Tie, All right, Dan, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>do tell what is the name of this game? Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a great question. We are going to call it

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<v Speaker 3>the solid verbal Cloudy Glimpse into the Nether Fall, the

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<v Speaker 3>psychic network, the solid verbal psychic Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I like that as well. I like nether Fall, though,

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<v Speaker 1>how does this work? What is the nether Fall? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a number of items, and we are using

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<v Speaker 3>spring storylines, which a lot of people think don't mean

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<v Speaker 3>anything because spring games are generally not that competitive, and

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have teams playing as one. We have teams

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<v Speaker 3>that are split up, and we have scoring that's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit wonky, and we have injuries and walk On's

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<v Speaker 3>playing a significant role and it's really not representative of

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<v Speaker 3>what we're going to see in the fall. But there

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<v Speaker 3>are always nuggets, Tie, There are always nuggets. So many

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<v Speaker 3>nuts that they might turn into a full rotisserie chicken. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So we are going to try and look at some nuggets,

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<v Speaker 3>either from spring games or storylines or just situations around

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<v Speaker 3>the world of college football and glimpse into that cloudy

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<v Speaker 3>crystal ball to see if we can get any clarity

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<v Speaker 3>to see what might, in fact, IIE be Big. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I understand it's a bit of a mixed metaphor because

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<v Speaker 3>the movie Big involves changing your your current status.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't heard from Bill at a while. You're still

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<v Speaker 1>over there, right, we haven't bored you to death.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to figure out if you guys have

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<v Speaker 2>a copyright for that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, well, it's who's to say Bill, who is to

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<v Speaker 3>say please?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't? Please?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't turn us in? So, yeah, we are going to

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<v Speaker 3>we have a number of situations. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 3>through some preseason, post spring top twenty fives, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>just going to figure out by looking into our mythical

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<v Speaker 3>nether fall ball, what actually may or may not matter time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still trying to figure out how chicken nuggets are

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<v Speaker 1>backwards compatible with the rotisserie chicken. But that, oh you'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>that can be a podcast for deeper into the offseason, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we present our first topic? Can you look? I

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<v Speaker 1>think wessed a ball? What is it that we are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to trying to foresee?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so, as we know, as Bill and you and

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<v Speaker 3>the college football universe at large, nos, Ohio State is

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<v Speaker 3>a new offensive coordinator and Kevin Wilson, and based on

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<v Speaker 3>his time at both in Bloomington and for Oklahoma where

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<v Speaker 3>he really opened things up and a historic offense with

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<v Speaker 3>Sam Bradford and the Sooners, people are expecting Ohio State

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<v Speaker 3>to be a much more open offense, to spread it

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<v Speaker 3>out a little bit more, to throw downfield a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more. And that's what happened this fall. Excuse me,

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<v Speaker 3>this spring, Joe Burrow, Dwayne Haskins, and of course the

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<v Speaker 3>starter j T. Barrett all through the ball downfield a

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<v Speaker 3>ton more with the two backups as sort of more

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<v Speaker 3>successful in a spring game that didn't mean all that much.

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<v Speaker 3>We know Ohio State and Urban Meyer have a hiss

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<v Speaker 3>of perhaps starting the wrong quarterback recently. So what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 3>will Ohio State be a squad that really opens things

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<v Speaker 3>up on offense? What do we see and will it be?

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<v Speaker 2>J T?

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<v Speaker 3>Barrett is the trigger man.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, mister Connolly, let's throw it over to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard the setup? What see you? Whyse suthes Sayer

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<v Speaker 1>in your crystal ball?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I always land with the incumbent, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we always fall in love with the other options. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the end, I mean, the guy who's been around

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<v Speaker 2>for a few years and has won a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>games tends to win that job. And so without knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the ins and outs of Joe Burrow's strengths and weaknesses,

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<v Speaker 2>or Dwayne Hoskins or whoever, I will assume that Barrow

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<v Speaker 2>keeps his job. Barrow Barrett, excuse me, keeps his job.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know with you know what I always liked

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<v Speaker 2>about Kevin Wilson offenses is they're just, for lack of

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<v Speaker 2>a better term, they're logical. They basically, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>set this up. That means we have to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>And once this is set up and defenses will do this,

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<v Speaker 2>then we can do this. And part of that is

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<v Speaker 2>going deep. If you want to be able to run

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<v Speaker 2>the ball, well, you got to be able to stretch

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<v Speaker 2>the field a little bit. And you know, the lack

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<v Speaker 2>of a go to receiver could be an issue. We

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<v Speaker 2>all I mean, Noah Brown is great at that one game,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Lord knows they have got like thirteen other

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<v Speaker 2>four star kids who could come up big. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>assuming they've got decent options for stretching the field, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>do it, because that's just what you do in a

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<v Speaker 2>logical offense, I guess. And if they can, then I

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<v Speaker 2>mean everything else works.

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<v Speaker 1>J T.

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<v Speaker 2>Barrett doesn't throw a terrible deep ball. Obviously he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the best arm in the world. But the whole

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<v Speaker 2>point is a lot of times those balls are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be really open and you just have to take them.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they do that, then the run game should

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<v Speaker 2>be killer.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the question that I have about their new

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<v Speaker 1>offense under Kevin Wilson. And I said this to you

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, Dan, the Kevin Wilson offense that we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>in the past at Indiana, certainly at Oklahoma when he

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<v Speaker 1>is still working down there, it does not seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be necessarily compatible with the skill set of J. T. Barrett,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I've questioned, how is that all gonna go? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Your counterpoint was, well, you know, they ran a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit and they were a little bit different stylistically at Indiana,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's true, but I'm just kind of curious to

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<v Speaker 1>see how he melds in his previous system with now

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<v Speaker 1>the personnel grouping at Ohio State. If you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the schedule, they actually do play Oklahoma fairly early on

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<v Speaker 1>in the year. That's not going to be an easy game.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they've got a little bit more runway where they

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<v Speaker 1>can can work things out before they get to Penn State,

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<v Speaker 1>before they get to Michigan State, and obviously close out

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<v Speaker 1>the year at Michigan. So I think all will be

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<v Speaker 1>fine for Ohio State. I've kind of seen cloudy things

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<v Speaker 1>when I look into my crystal ball about how that

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<v Speaker 1>offense starts its season.

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<v Speaker 3>Ty play the sound again for me plays oh It's lovely,

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<v Speaker 3>very mysterious, but kind of sooner serious. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>what I do. I look into this ball tie and

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<v Speaker 3>I see clarity. For the first six or seven weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>not a lot of big defenses on Ohio State schedule,

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<v Speaker 3>but then Halloween music very appropriate. I see a lion tie.

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<v Speaker 3>I see energy, I see vibrations. I see a nitney lion.

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<v Speaker 3>I see trouble for Ohio State on offense in that

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<v Speaker 3>game against a team Penn State that returns a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of defensive players, not the defensive vents, but defensive players nonetheless.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think by that by Iowa State Michigan State

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<v Speaker 3>in there sometime before the Michigan game. I see rotating quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 3>I see a quarterback controversy, and I see Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps even supplanting JT. Barrett.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that? Would you say he's digging in at quarterback?

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<v Speaker 3>I would not.

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<v Speaker 1>I would never.

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<v Speaker 3>I would That is not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Just checking, just checking? Fair enough? Where are we going

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<v Speaker 1>nowt ok all? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Next, ty, do we have and on the subject of

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback battles, do we have a quarterback battle in Tuscaloosa

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<v Speaker 3>following Tua? And I'm going to get this right. Tongue

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<v Speaker 3>of Valoa, tag of a looa tongue of the true

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<v Speaker 3>freshman from Hawaii coming in and completely shredding the defense

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<v Speaker 3>that he saw. In Alabama's spring game, both he and

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen Hurts had very good games. With the new offensive

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<v Speaker 3>coordinator throwing the ball down field. We know Alabama now

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<v Speaker 3>unafraid to play it and start a true freshman at quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it possible that Tua Tongua Valoga to Tua let's

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<v Speaker 3>just go with Tua has a higher ceiling as a

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<v Speaker 3>thrower than Jalen Hurts, who struggled in the back end

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<v Speaker 3>the back three four games of Alabama's season.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to use the sounding because I love the sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it all right? I am selling this one. My

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<v Speaker 1>crystal ball nearly broke and I saw this question on

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<v Speaker 1>your list. Why are you asking this? How could you

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<v Speaker 1>possibly ask this given what Jalen Hurts did last year?

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<v Speaker 3>Ty as the sheriff's thing in college football?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this what I feel? This is like a Oiji

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<v Speaker 1>board scenario where you kind of involuntarily want to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that Jalen Hurts my might be supplanted by someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore your involuntary muscles pushed you towards Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Alabama fans have been very much pushing for that too,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's out there. It's out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, So you're not wrong to say that Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>Hurts struggled against some of the better defenses. He played

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<v Speaker 1>certainly down the stretch, but he still was a true freshman.

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<v Speaker 1>He still had a ton of talent around him. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in his first year. Give him a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of slack, even though he's at Alabama. I think there

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<v Speaker 1>is plenty of reason to be excited about your quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>depth at Alabama. But he got you to the National

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<v Speaker 1>Championship game, and he looked a hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>better throwing the football down the field. That seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the focus of their spring football game, to try

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<v Speaker 1>and get a little bit more of a deep threat

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<v Speaker 1>established offensively. Look at those numbers you mentioned, well, how Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to hear you say that name again to

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<v Speaker 1>what was it, Tagavaloa, Tagavloa, thank tounguea Valoa.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe Tungueavaloa.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, seventeen of twenty nine for three thirteen passing day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not bad. Jalen Hurts, by the way, sixteen to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five for three oh one, so not that big

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<v Speaker 1>a disparity. I think he is the guy. It's good

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<v Speaker 1>to know that if and when he goes pro, or

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<v Speaker 1>if and when he should go down with injury, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got another fallback option. But no, I don't see that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see him being supplanted anytime soon. Bill. Look

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<v Speaker 1>into the orb.

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen, you know, huddle film of Taga Blowa.

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<v Speaker 2>So I consider myself an expert on all of his

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<v Speaker 2>strengths and weaknesses he's got. I mean, he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>nice arm obviously, but and you know, it's easy to

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<v Speaker 2>put it's easy to piece this logic together because he

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<v Speaker 2>has a nice arm. He can throw a deep and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no question I Meanson Clemson won the national title

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<v Speaker 2>game by daring Jalen Hurts to connect deep. He did

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<v Speaker 2>it once on that wheel route to Howard. He missed

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<v Speaker 2>like two or three others that if he connects it,

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<v Speaker 2>they won the national title and he just missed them,

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<v Speaker 2>just overthrew them. And so you pieced that together. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got kind of a custom made quarterback battle here. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just I'm just allergic to quarterback controversies. I hate

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<v Speaker 2>them so much, so many of them start like this

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<v Speaker 2>that I immediately start pushing back and just say stop,

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<v Speaker 2>just start Hurts, You're fine, and and let's stop right now.

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<v Speaker 3>To be clear, I don't I don't want this, you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I just see things.

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<v Speaker 3>I just look forward into the space time time space,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm seeing I'm seeing an issue here. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think coupled with the fact that tag of a tongue

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<v Speaker 3>of Alahutua has looked very good early. Is the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that there's a new offensive coordinator, so it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen Hurts is the guy of the complete offensive coaching staff.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe Tua fits. What the it's Brian something comes in

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<v Speaker 3>from the Patriots. Maybe he fits. Maybe he makes the throws. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 3>just maybe, Ty, this is what the doctor ordered. The

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<v Speaker 3>good doctor wanted some Hawaiian.

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaiian refreshments, Hawaiian punch. Yeah. Look here, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You could start an old boot at quarterback for Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd still find a way to win ten games.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a team that's loaded to the gills, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can make a real strong case. Bill could probably

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<v Speaker 1>find a statistical case for it doesn't matter who plays

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback as long as he doesn't shoot himself in the foot.

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<v Speaker 1>To simply have two quarterbacks that are mobile, agile, hostile

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<v Speaker 1>the way these guys are, that is a luxury that

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<v Speaker 1>exists at Alabama and maybe only a small handful of

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<v Speaker 1>schools elsewhere around the country.

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<v Speaker 2>I could be meet and point out that your point

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<v Speaker 2>is made. I think they won a national title with

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<v Speaker 2>Greg McElroy, but I'm not gonna say that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to be mean, Nope, absolutely not. That's

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<v Speaker 3>looking into the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of who plays quarterback, Alabama will be just fine,

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<v Speaker 1>even though again a ton of talent goes to the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think it's hurts. I think your crystal

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<v Speaker 1>balls little bit off, Dan got to reconfigure that thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Easy to say in May, easy to say in May.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Next item, This one's interesting to me. So the Pac

0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.000
<v Speaker 3>twelve South is yet to win the conference as a whole.

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<v Speaker 3>Sam Darnold has rightfully received a ton of attention as

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<v Speaker 3>a Heisman candidate, perhaps the number one overall draft pick

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<v Speaker 3>next spring. USC has a bit of a tricky schedule

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<v Speaker 3>to start out the season, a number of offensive line,

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<v Speaker 3>wide receiver secondary losses. You know that the ship isn't

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<v Speaker 3>fully running smoothly yet. With Clay Helton only entering his

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<v Speaker 3>second year with the Trojans, USC as what appears to

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<v Speaker 3>be the overwhelming favorite, with still Washington right there, USC

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<v Speaker 3>coming off a Rose Bowl win, will not win the

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<v Speaker 3>Pac twelve. Us C is going to trip up a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit, Bill. Look into that crystal ball. Is their

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<v Speaker 3>cloudiness surrounding USC's fall.

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<v Speaker 2>I think really the answer to that comes partially with

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<v Speaker 2>what you think about Stanford, because Stanford, I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>get Stanford in Week two, and these issues. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in theory, these issues get kind of worked out as

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<v Speaker 2>we go along. I mean, goodness, those have got talent

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<v Speaker 2>on the line and in the receiving core and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of breaking in new pieces. So in theory,

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<v Speaker 2>they finished the year good team. But I mean if

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<v Speaker 2>they trip up early, that could hurt their national title caliber,

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<v Speaker 2>their their their qualifications, and you know, maybe, man, I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna be awesome. I'm trying here, but they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really good. And the fact is Sam Darnold's

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<v Speaker 2>able too. He's got really nice es capability. That helps

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<v Speaker 2>when you've got a nifty line and an if you're

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<v Speaker 2>receiving core for that matter, because you can kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wait for guys to to come open on not and

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<v Speaker 2>create on the on the run. So I really I'm

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<v Speaker 2>struggling here. I think they're going to be just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan, you have the most pessimistic crystal ball I think

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<v Speaker 1>that exists in the college football.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got I've got guys jumping up and executing. I've got,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a wide open, improved pac twelve. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>great things around the country time, I'm seeing it in

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<v Speaker 3>my ORB.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, we're talking about the PAC twelve as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>And I should point out you see this too in

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.320
<v Speaker 3>your orb of knowledge. Yes, uh, USC MISSUS Washington on

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<v Speaker 3>their schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about the PAC twelve as a whole

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<v Speaker 1>and not just the PAC twelve South.

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a distinct possibility that USC won't win

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<v Speaker 1>the PAC twelve. I don't necessarily think it's because their

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line or their defensive backfield stalls out. It could

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<v Speaker 1>just be because the PAC twelve's really good this year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it just comes out of it to the

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<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve title game. I mean that's you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>get Colorado on the road. Colorado will take a step backwards.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much of one, but they will.

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona State might not be ready yet on the road

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<v Speaker 2>at cal I. Really, they get U telling UCLA at home.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard for me to make the case for anybody

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<v Speaker 2>else to win the South, but I mean, you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to play a really good team on a

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<v Speaker 2>neutral field in the PAC twelve title game, and therefore

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<v Speaker 2>they need to obviously lose that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm seeing a lightning storm, and I'm seeing on the

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<v Speaker 3>outside offensively for USC and defensively we talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>defensive backfield. You Sam being too negative. I see a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of positivity here because when you look at their schedule,

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<v Speaker 3>how many good proven quarterbacks do you see?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see. If you want to count Josh Rosen,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think is reasonable, tie, he might be the

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<v Speaker 3>only one. And that's not until November eighteenth. You want

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<v Speaker 3>to say, Shane Buchelle, I can't fully agree. And beyond

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.640
<v Speaker 3>that tie good proven quarterbacks are I'm not seeing them

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<v Speaker 3>in my cloudy orb.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm seeing positivity. I'm seeing electricity. I'm feeling good vibrations.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, you know, the only reason you put this in

0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 1>as crystal ball was because he wants a Oregon to

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<v Speaker 1>win the Pac twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you know I don't. That is not in my orb.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, keep shaking that thing. Where are we going next?

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<v Speaker 3>Next Bill, We'll start with you once again. Penn states

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<v Speaker 3>in year two of the Joe Moore head era, we'll

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<v Speaker 3>have the clear best and deepest skill group in the

0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Big ten even without I believe Chris Godwin has departed

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:03.040
<v Speaker 3>to the NF But Saquon Barkley, They've got young receivers

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.960
<v Speaker 3>coming on strong. They've got experience on the offensive line,

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 3>if not a couple of holes to fill, but trace

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.440
<v Speaker 3>McSorley in the effort go deep offense, Penn State will

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<v Speaker 3>have the clear most dangerous and electric offense all season

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 3>long in the Big Ten.

0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.919
<v Speaker 2>With Ohio State's potential with Mike Webber, with Brown, with

0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.120
<v Speaker 2>baw et cetera. I can't say for sure that that's

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<v Speaker 2>the case because the Ohio State exists. But if Juwan

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Johnson turns out to be as good as everybody from

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Penn State says he is, and he had a great

0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 2>spring and all that that, if he's there, you know, say,

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 2>black Nole's still there. Mike Ziki might be the best

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 2>tight end in the country. Sae Kwon Barkley rush for

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.959
<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred yards without an offensive line, which is really

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 2>tricky and hard to do. I've heard Miles Sanders as

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:53.640
<v Speaker 2>soon as he learns to not drop the ball, he's

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.920
<v Speaker 2>going to be amazing. So yeah, I'd say the potential

0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 2>is there, but Ohio State's still going to have a

0:23:59.040 --> 0:23:59.919
<v Speaker 2>little something to say.

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.439
<v Speaker 1>About when you look at Penn State schedule again in

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.920
<v Speaker 1>your crystal ball bill, where do you feel the biggest

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>land mines are, Because if I step through it here,

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Akron Pitt, Georgia State, at Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan's going

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 1>to be tough, but they lose a ton on defense.

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.400
<v Speaker 1>They're kind of starting over in some respects on offense.

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State obviously the most name brand variety of landman,

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.560
<v Speaker 1>but Michigan State still trying to find their way after

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 1>last year. Rutgers Nebraska entirely new defense, and at Maryland

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>who maybe could be sneaky, but it just perhaps it's rhetorical.

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 1>It just doesn't look to me like there is so

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<v Speaker 1>much AMMO in that schedule that they are in any

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>real danger of falling below you know, ten nine wins

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 1>at the absolute minimum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about them as a

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.120
<v Speaker 2>national title contender, then they can't drop any of those

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 2>games because of Ohio State probably, but and you could

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 2>really make a case that, Okay, so maybe Iowa Northwestern

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and Michigan State or well, and I mean Maryland too,

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 2>that they all won't really seriously challenge and stay, but

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 2>one of them it could most likely trip them up.

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.160
<v Speaker 2>And so that's kind of the lots of land mines

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 2>there on the road, even if we don't count of

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 2>High State, which is not a which is a little

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 2>too big to call a landmine, I would say. But

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 2>if we're talking about if we're sitting in the bar

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<v Speaker 2>nine or ten wins, yeah, I'd say they've got a

0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 2>very very good chance to do that. Their defense is fine,

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:27.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not necessarily good enough to stop an

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>elite level offense. There areked a lot of elite offenses

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>on that schedule, especially with pitt rebuilding, so they're probably

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna they're looking at worth probably ten wins, I think,

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 2>unless mcsorty gets hurt, and then who knows after that?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, so here's where I'm going to go ahead

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>and renew my pessimistic Trace mcswirly card Dan please tie.

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I was not sold on Trace for a good chunk

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>of last season, and then the Minnesota game happened. They

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 1>seem to use him a little differently. He obviously caught fire,

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>was throwing the ball downfield like a like a mad banshee,

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.439
<v Speaker 1>and Iowa game was great. Yeah, I mean he he

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>was great. He was objectively great second half of last season.

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>For some reason, I still remain unconvinced of his skill set.

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I know the kid's a winner, I know he got

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>it done last year. I'm curious to see what he

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:26.360
<v Speaker 1>does without Chris Godwin. Perhaps that's just me being artificially pessimistic,

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>but for some odd reason, I just I have a

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>hard time trusting that he's got staying power to be

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>that good all the time.

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Well anytime? Are you know we're relying on on a

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>collection of four or five six games to completely I mean,

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 2>you think about what everybody was saying about Penn State

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 2>at the end of September, and now they're not. They're

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 2>this supposedly known quantity, absolute surefire Big ten national title contender,

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:53.120
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. When you know, a month in to last year,

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.880
<v Speaker 2>people thought James Becker was gonna get fired. So when

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the perceptions changed that quickly, yeah, it's it's sometimes worth

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 2>it to kind of tap the brakes little and really

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of reassess. But yeah, the last half of last

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:04.919
<v Speaker 2>year they were amazing.

0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:09.439
<v Speaker 1>On offense, absolutely, so I guess with that in mind, Dan, yes,

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>perhaps to Bill's point of needing a little bit more

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 1>data to feel truly comfortable. I will stop short of

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>saying that Penn State has the clear the best or

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 1>the deepest skill group in the Big Ten, but they're

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>certainly in the equation. If McSorley keeps doing what he

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>did at the second half of last season, then then

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>they're definitely in a very strong position to take the cake.

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Now, Tye, as I look into the horizon, can I

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 3>hear my music?

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Please? Tach?

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Can I hear my music? As I look into the horizon?

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.639
<v Speaker 3>I see calm waters for Penn State for the first

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 3>five or six weeks, tie. But then as I look

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 3>into my orb, I see them nowhere near central Pennsylvania.

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 3>And that is because three of four games on the

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 3>road northwestern Ohio State and Michigan State, all the way

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 3>from Central PA, all away from the Is there a valley,

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:02.160
<v Speaker 3>ty Yeah, they're located.

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yea.

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Is it a happy valley?

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>It's very happy.

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Normally I see unhappiness away from the valley, not in

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>the form of Ohio State, not in the form of

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Michigan within the valley, but two weeks of body blows

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 3>before traveling to East Lansing. I see a trip up

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 3>spot there, I see a d I see an iss,

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 3>I see a ree, and I see a spect with

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Michigan State. To answer the question, though, Penn State will, indeed,

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 3>because of Saquon Barkley and the attention he'll receive upfront,

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 3>have the clear best deepest skill group in the Big

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Ten and they win the conference once again.

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>How about that? Wow? Okay, all right, we got another

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>one on here, go ahead, we do. Yeah.

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Clemson Tigers. Clemson with their quarterback struggles this spring being

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 3>an eye to the fall where they don't have obviously

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 3>an incumbent with the Shawn Watson off to the NFL.

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 3>The Houston Texans Kelly Bryant, I believe one gentleman's name

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 3>is Israel. That's all I really. There's a freshman that

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 3>is promising, but all of them sort of struggled in

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 3>the spring, both on the field and with injury to

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 3>really make a mark. Clemson has a very good defense,

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 3>but schedule's not great. They have Auburn early. They're on

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 3>the road at Louisville, They're on the road in Blacksburg,

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 3>They're at the Carrier Dome on a Friday night, I

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 3>already don't like it. I already don't like it. They

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 3>have Florida State at home, but I say Clemson will not.

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 3>This is what the ball is telling me. Okay, make

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 3>a New Year's six bowl game.

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.959
<v Speaker 1>This is such pessimistic balls, Dan, It's just tough, And yes,

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I am with you. I think that early season matchup

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>against Auburn will be a bit of a menace for them.

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>And not to say Auburn is going to be back

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to Cam Newton days, but I feel like they should

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>be good enough on defense to challenge Clemson, to keep

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 1>things a bit confusing for whoever ends up playing quarterback,

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and they've obviously got that Florida State game later in

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the year. Florida State should be really good this season.

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>You never know what happens when you go to Virginia Tech.

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:24.239
<v Speaker 1>You never know if there's another game lurking, you know.

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I think by the end of the year they'll be

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>fine at quarterback. I really do. Dabosweeney will find a

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>way to coach up that position group. But to start

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>out knowing that they've lost a lot from last season offensively,

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>it's going to take them a while to get things going.

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>So I think just in general offensive struggles. Offensive uncertainty

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 1>could mean them missing a New Year Six Bowl game,

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe not specifically that quarterback group.

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I think I agree because there are a lot of

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>good defenses on that schedule, and I mean they'll have

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the defense to kind of you know, it'll be a

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of gross games, maybe like Clemson last year was

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the Auburn's gonna have a good defense. Louisville could, Boston

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>College could, Virginia Tech will in c State might have

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 2>one of the best run defenses in the country this year,

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 2>and they play at Virginia Tech at NC State. It

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>does feel like there are a couple of losses in there,

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>and you know, obviously Florida State at South Carolina, there

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of opportunities there where there will be

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 2>a very very good team, but they'll finish ten and

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>two and then have to settle for a New Year's

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Bowl or something into that effecting instead of the New

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Year's six Bowl, which is just you know, a crushing

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>disappointment of a season.

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.239
<v Speaker 3>I realize, yeah, I'm seeing them missing that New Year

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Six Bowl tie. Yeah, in my visions, in my vibrations

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 3>and my energies in front of me I'm seeing some struggles,

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 3>and I think Bill hit it on the head. They

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 3>struggled with NC State with Deshaun Watson, with Mike Williams,

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 3>with Jordan Leggett, with Wayne Gollman, and I think, listen,

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 3>take it from take it from me, Take it from

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 3>a Notre Dame fan in you that even though you

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 3>get good quarterback play year in year out for what

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 3>seems like a long time, you get it until you

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 3>don't ty and it can disappear quickly. It's an elixir

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 3>that not every team, every program has And I think

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 3>you're right. By the end of the season, I think

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 3>they'll have something going. But early on I think that

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be a little bit rocky and that's

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 3>going to cost him a January one game.

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>All Right, There you have it. This has been an

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>eliminating look dan into the pessimistic and optimistic crystal balls

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>here in the Soliverbol while we've got Bill, Yes, we

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>do need to talk about something else. I mentioned it

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.479
<v Speaker 1>at the top and we introduced him. But he's got

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a book out. It's called the fifty Best College Football

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Teams of All Time. I read to you directly from

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the official description of the book that Bill Connolly dives

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>into history and evolution of the sport, telling its story

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>through fifty particularly interesting teams. Now this is across the

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>rich history of college football. It's not just fifty ten

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>teams over the last fifty years or anything like that.

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>As I'm sure you are aware, Bill, Like, the hardest

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>thing to do in sports is compare eras, and your

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>books entirely about comparing eras. How do you put one

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>hundred or one hundred plus years of college football on

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>an equal playing field? And to try to sess this

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>all out.

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, I start by not actually trying to determine the

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 2>best at all that was. That is a little misdirection

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>on the cover, as you see the little asterisks there,

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the little anti social asterisks that you know, probably shouldn't

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 2>have had, and it'd be a lot easier to explain.

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this is fifty easy, fifty interesting, influential, innovative

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>teams that allowed me to tell college football story. So

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I was able to kind of you know, I was

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>a setless nerd when I was going to concerts in college,

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>and this is a set list crafted to allow me

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>to do that. From some offensive innovators to some defensive innovators,

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>teams that just had crazy, wacky years, teams that were awesome,

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 2>teams that were almost awesome. And I was able to

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of piece it together there to where if you

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>read it straight through, it tells college football story. If

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 2>you skip around to just the teams you want, it's fine.

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 2>You know you'll get that team story too. But you

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 2>can kind of trace the evolution from nineteen oh six

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 2>Chicago to twenty thirteen Auburn pretty well.

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I think, well, football is unique in the way it's evolved,

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 1>both in the rules of the game and the styles

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 1>and schemes within the game. You see a year to year,

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 1>but I'd imagine if you look at it over one

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 1>hundred plus years, you're really going to get a full

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>sense for how much the game has changed. Let's assume

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 1>football's around in fifty years. What does it look like.

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Where is it headed now in twenty seventeen relative to

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 1>where it was and where you think it's going to head?

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I think basically it's you know, the

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Spencer Hall's piece earlier in this earlier this week at

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.919
<v Speaker 2>sp Nation kind of covered the same thought. Pretty well.

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, it gets fafter and it gets more spread out,

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of the way things have gone. That's

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>probably the way they'll keep going to some degree, and

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 2>there are a million ways to do that, but that's

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of where it goes. And so you know

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.280
<v Speaker 2>when you compare, when you compare nineteen oh six Chicago

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>to twenty thirteen Auburn, you kind of you see that

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the way that motion, well, like nineteen seventeen Georgia Tech,

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 2>they use the jump shift. Basically a bunch of guys

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 2>would literally jump to kind of change the matchups, to

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 2>change the numbers. That was their version of Auburn running

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>motion on every single play to figure out where the

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 2>numbers advantages were for Tray Mason in twenty thirteen. And

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 2>there's just a lot of that you see, and I

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>mean it was still all. You know, college football is

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 2>so rich because it has been around so fricking long,

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and so there have been so many teams, so many

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 2>programs that have hundred plus year histories. That's not something

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>we can really say about many pro sports. I mean,

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 2>even baseball has been around forever, they haven't had one

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>hundred plus teams playing major division ball. And so there's

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>all this the quote unquote pomping circumstance that makes it

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>all college football, and the fact that you're always using

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 2>eighteen to twenty two year old male to play the

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>game kind of ensures that you have a certain similarities

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 2>from era to era. But no, the game is going

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>to get faster, it's going to get in theory a

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>little bit less violent, and I'm betting it will probably

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>still exist in fifty years.

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Harder or easier to build a truly dominant team in

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty.

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you had the advantage of you know,

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>minimal film and uh, you know, you had a lot

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 2>of advantages like that. But you also nobody was recruited

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 2>nationally except for maybe not to Dame at that point,

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 2>so you were kind of more a victim of the

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 2>talent at hand. And so I would say more difficult,

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 2>but also harder to tell if you're dominant, or if

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 2>you're dominant nationally at least, because yeah, you know, unless

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you're Notre Dame, you're only playing teams within your region

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 2>and then maybe a ball opponent at the end of

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 2>the year and bowl and teams really didn't take baths

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 2>all that seriously. Then, So I would say it was

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>probably less, it was either harder to build a dominant

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 2>team or know you had a dominant team.

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 1>Bill.

0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 3>If nothing else, the book seems to sort of be

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 3>a way for you, a vehicle for you to talk

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 3>about what you sort of love about the sports. And

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:08.840
<v Speaker 3>it looks to me and I insist that you correct

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 3>me if I'm wrong, especially with some of the modern

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 3>teams that you've chosen, but even throughout the history, So

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:15.919
<v Speaker 3>your first team and here is the nineteen oh six

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 3>University of Chicago team, and the final team on here

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 3>is your twenty thirteen or college Football's twenty thirteen Auburn Tigers.

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 3>But it seems that if there is a through point,

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 3>it's sort of the idea of coming out of nowhere,

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 3>like you have two thousand and seven with Chip Kelly

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 3>coming out of now or Boise State coming out of nowhere,

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 3>twenty thirteen Cosmels on coming as as a high school coach,

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 3>you know of Voomerkin from Arkansas. You have a Dartmouth

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 3>team in nineteen seventy, you have Michael Vick and Virginia

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Tech exploding onto the national stage without really a rich history,

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 3>a rich modern history before then. Is that something that

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 3>feels unique to college football because the feeding system almost

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 3>is so unknown to everybody outside of that one local

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 3>ecosystem for that team.

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was probably a good and there are a

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of examples, like you know, choosing four Texas instead

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 2>of five, ninety four Nebraska instead of ninety five. I

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>think at the bottom line is if I would have

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>actually written a book about the fifty absolute best teams,

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, forty five of them them would have finished undefeated,

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 2>and about half of them you would have basically been

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the same story to tell over and over again with

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.919
<v Speaker 2>different names. And so the interesting part to me is, yeah,

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's the parts you didn't expect or the things

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that happened right before the big run. Oh, four Texas

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 2>being the best example of that. That was the team

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>where you know, we were talking about Penn State and

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, the perceptions changed so quickly. Well,

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 2>halfway through two thousand and four, Vince Young was a disappointment.

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 2>He was getting benched because he you know, they got

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.439
<v Speaker 2>shut out against Oklahoma, he got benched against Missouri because

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 2>he was throwing terrible interceptions. He was not Vince Young

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 2>until late in that season. Uh, And that was that's

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.279
<v Speaker 2>a more interesting story. Ninety four Nebraska having to deal

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 2>with Tommy Frasier's injuries and deal with actual adversity instead

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>of the ninety five team, which just wrecked everybody. It

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 2>was a lot more interesting to tell those stories. So

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I do think I leaned into it, especially especially for

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the more recent teams, where I knew more about them

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 2>heading in, like some of the older teams. I mean,

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>like forty five Army was the best team of all time.

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>That one's pretty that was interesting to tell because of

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 2>all the transfers and all that, But it was still

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 2>just dominant game after Domina game. As I got to,

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, more recent times, I did seem to favor

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 2>the surprises or the out of nowhere things are just

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the the realized greatness part, instead of

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>just the full season of domination.

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 3>It's obviously going to be nearly impossible to pick one

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 3>or two or three. But college football, maybe more than

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 3>any other sport, is it seems like it's defined by

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 3>larger than life personalities of the coaches. Was there anybody

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 3>when researching this? I mean, you look through all that,

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 3>you know you have Steve Spurry, you have Don James,

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 3>you have Tom Devaney and you have just like there's

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.279
<v Speaker 3>a million different people, you have less miles on. Here

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 3>are there personalities going back in time that you were

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 3>not expecting to either like or be intrigued by as

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 3>much as you were.

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was really happy that I chose sixty five

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 2>UCLA for the book because Tommy prothrow was fascinating. I

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 2>wish he had never gone to the pros. I wish

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>he like he belonged with college football. You know, he

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 2>carried a briefcase around nobody ever knew what was in it.

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 2>He's done all these really super weird quirks and he

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 2>was a g I meant, I got a Heisman winner

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:31.320
<v Speaker 2>at Oregon State and then he goes and wins the

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Rose Bull his first year at UCLA. Like that was

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 2>he was a very very interesting character that maybe because

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>he left for the Pros when he did, he isn't

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 2>quite as as as regarded as well known as other coaches.

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.439
<v Speaker 2>He was awesome though, And plus that sixty five UCLA team,

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.759
<v Speaker 2>there was kind of a sense of discovery about some

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>of the older teams, just in that I made I

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:55.240
<v Speaker 2>made my you know, my quote unquote set list, and

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>before I kind of knew everything I maybe needed to

0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 2>know about some of these teams, and so it was

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>at dicovery process in the sixty five team ending with

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, a dramatic comeback went over USC and then

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 2>randomly I wanted Memphis to play Tennessee and getting screwed

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 2>on a couple of calls and Tennessee scoring the game

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 2>winning touchdown by like a millimeter and then knocking off

0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Michigan State at the last second to win the Rose Bowl.

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 2>That was one of the more Auburn twenty thirteen. Auburn

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 2>is kind of dramatic seasons that I was really happy that.

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 3>I chose of the of the coaches and programs that

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:31.240
<v Speaker 3>you profiled here there there's also a theme of adaptability.

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, this wrinkle happened to the team or to

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 3>the sports, the conference, whatever, and this is how this

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 3>team changed things up or responded or you know, reversed course.

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 3>Is there a specific coach that you feel or coach,

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 3>series of coaches whatever that you feel like has a

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 3>sort of timeless quality that could you know, if it's

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, Bobby Bouten nineteen eighty one, whoever it is,

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 3>that could have succeeded in nineteen thirty seven, just as

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.439
<v Speaker 3>well as they could have succeeded in two thousand and four.

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Is there a guy that that fits that well?

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean pot Rowe didn't have a specific formula

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:08.919
<v Speaker 2>to go by, so he was probably on the list,

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 2>But I mean Bear Bryant's another one where you know,

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.279
<v Speaker 2>the changes he made, you know, as his program began

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 2>to Stacknate and just created this decade of dominance in

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>the seventies, not just integrating his roster obviously, but also

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 2>catching on to the success of the Wishbone early kind

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.799
<v Speaker 2>of breaking it in or installing it in the Debt

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 2>of Night basically after Springball had ended so that he

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>could unleash Hell in nineteen seventy one. That was pretty fun.

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Thousand's another one I think that could have succeeded in

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.879
<v Speaker 2>a lot of ways. But yeah, there are some some

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 2>guys that are you know, that either made the book

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>or just were great in general because of the combination

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of style. Like Barry Switzer, you know, would he have

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 2>succeeded without the Wishbone. He kind of tried to succeed

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 2>without the Wishbone in the in the early eighties, and

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 2>it didn't work. He kind of had to go back

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>to his baby a little bit. But but yeah, there

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>are certain coaches who, like, you know, John Heisman. You know,

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously Stag is the ultimate example of the guy who

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, you're changing the road, all right, Well

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 2>that'll allow me to draw up these new plays and

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be to like this instead. I mean,

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>they were a dominant team before the forward pass, they

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>were dominant team for a while after the forward pass,

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 2>so that there are plenty of examples of guys like

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 2>that that were pretty fun tinkers. And you know, really,

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 2>since Stag has awards named after him, maybe we should

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:24.240
<v Speaker 2>start there.

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Bill, what you learned that you didn't know? Or if

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 1>there are too many things to answer that, what was

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 1>your favorite thing that you learned while doing this?

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I think I decided that the sport was really it

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>became itself in the mid nineteen twenties and early nineteen thirties,

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>because in that little period of time you had Notre

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Dame becoming Notre Dame and you know, getting getting the

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 2>people in charge of the university to allow them to

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>go to the Rose Bowl, and then winning the Rose Bowl,

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, and kind of becoming that national name. You

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.560
<v Speaker 2>had Alabama winning in the Rose Bowl for the entire

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>South the very next year, and the SOW at that point.

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Then the Southern schools that I actually really kind of

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed football getting together a few years later, creating the SEC,

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 2>and you know, et cetera. From there, I guess, But

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 2>then you know, nineteen thirty, but with the with the

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:15.879
<v Speaker 2>depression kind of thinking, and I wrote about nineteen thirty

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Utah a team that was amazing that had nobody to

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 2>play basically, but they were trying to set up benefit

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 2>games and after the season against USC or some team

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.439
<v Speaker 2>at Yankee Stadium just to kind of prove how good

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 2>they were. Number One, they had to give that up

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 2>because they had a basketball season to play, and all

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 2>those same guys were awesome at basketball and they went

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 2>like eighteen and three. But number two, that was the

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 2>idea of a depression era benefit game. Is why Army

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Night and Navy started playing every year. And so all

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>these things that happened in that little bitty period of time,

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 2>from Notre Dame to the creation of the SEC to

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Army Navy, all of that carried forward and kind of

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 2>defined the sports that was that. You know, if i'd

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 2>known how what some of the really good resources were

0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 2>that I was going to be able to pull from

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>newspapers died Calm among them. Really, I would have maybe

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.720
<v Speaker 2>chosen a people have a few more old teams, because

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you really see it like there's a load of teams

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies, eighties, nineties. I would have chosen more

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 2>from that era because it really was a nice learning process.

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Bill, Was there a specific year or time when you

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 3>can point to the fact that this, you know, it

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 3>starts out as this hyper hyper local sport, slowly expands

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.439
<v Speaker 3>to becoming regional, and then finally becomes a national sport.

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 3>I would assume relatively recently because of the advent of

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.719
<v Speaker 3>the ability to watch so many games on TV.

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Is could you see when you were researching when the

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 3>sort of switches got flipped from being sort of hyper

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 3>local maybe at the state level, maybe region level, maybe

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 3>half of the country level, and national level. Were there

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 3>specific tipping points or was it in fact sort of

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 3>super gradual?

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, the first one was noted in becoming a national brand,

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and then during the war, you know, being able to

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of keep some of its players with because of

0:45:57.680 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 2>a connection with Navy during the war that they were

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>able to dominate during that time. Having that national name helped.

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 2>But really, yeah, I mean it goes down to was

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 2>that the ncaa versus border regions of Oklahoma in the

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 2>in our mid eighties, there the Supreme Court case that

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 2>basically said that teams could align with each other and

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 2>create their own television deals. That plus the creation of

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>ESPN and the emergency of ESPN created what we know

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 2>of there. It wasn't two or three or four or

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>five games a week. It's every game is now televised,

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and that just that level of exposure changes everything. That's

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:33.279
<v Speaker 2>kind of when when it started going down the road

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 2>of becoming a true national sport. And that is you

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 2>know what the part of the rationale for writing this

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 2>book in general is because it is our history is

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 2>so regionalized in this sport, and in that you know,

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Alabama fans no Alabama's history, but not necessarily USC's and

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma's and Notre Dames. And we all have our own

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 2>history books, but we don't have just a ton of

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 2>books that really tie everybody's history together. And so that

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 2>was one of the goals of the book.

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Who is the most upset that a specific team was

0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 3>left stout which fan base and which team? Do you

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 3>acknowledge that, yes, you have a point. I couldn't make

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 3>it the best seven hundred and forty four teams of

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 3>all times? Where has the title wave of criticism? I

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:16.919
<v Speaker 3>assume good natured criticism come from well, well number one.

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Miami fans yelling that I didn't include two thousand and

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 2>one in Miami because no matter how many times I

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 2>explained that it wasn't just the best teams and there

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 2>was more. I had explained that a lot to Miami fans,

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Penn State fans had a legitimate gripe. There was really

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 2>there were two or three Penn State teams that were

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 2>on the initial Like when I created a list of

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 2>all the teams I wanted to cover, it was like

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and seven and there were like three of

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 2>them on there. But you know, for quote unquote set

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 2>list purposes, one of them didn't end up making their

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 2>the list. So that was an obvious if you're just

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 2>looking at the big name programs not having Penn State

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 2>on there. You know, obviously with some awkwardness now about

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 2>everything that we defined as the Joe paternal era, that

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't help, but that was I think something I couldn't

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>quite figure out. Arkansas was another one that didn't and

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>should but really fans of of Kansas State were just

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.879
<v Speaker 2>sad that like the ninety eight Kansas State team didn't

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 2>make it or something, and that made me said, all right, Bill.

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Final question, it's open ended. Why should people? Why should

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:14.839
<v Speaker 1>college football fans read this book?

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Because it tells the story of college football and it

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, we are fans of college football, we all

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.720
<v Speaker 2>have our team, but this is this tells the sports

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 2>story and tells it's pretty much guaranteed to tell you

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.759
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things you didn't know, and it really

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:32.799
<v Speaker 2>it just ties together. I said this on podcastsing played

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Nobody earlier today too. This is such a huge sport

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:38.840
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the number of people it takes to

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 2>put a team together and take it on the road

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:43.880
<v Speaker 2>to play another team. The number of people involved and

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 2>invested in this sport is just ridiculously big, and so

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 2>being able to tell not only fifty stories, but fifty

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>stories from like forty two different teams, every region, every era,

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I think really it was very exciting. It was it

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 2>was a long time. It took a few number of

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.080
<v Speaker 2>months to write this, but it was really worth it

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 2>because you could see the stories all kind of being

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 2>intertwined a little bit and a nice it's a nice

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 2>reminder that we're all in this together. I guess that's

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:12.840
<v Speaker 2>that's the handholdy way to say it.

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Very good. His name is Bill Connolly. Find his fine

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:19.320
<v Speaker 1>work at Espianation. Don't forget to buy his book again,

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the fifty Best College Football Teams of All Time and

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 1>lest we forget podcast Ain't played Nobody. Him and Stephen

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 1>godforre you do a wonderful college football podcast, which we

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:33.319
<v Speaker 1>would recommend to everyone that listens to the very bal Bill.

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Hope you're doing well. We will talk to you soon

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's a long off season, so keep doing what

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you do.

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Sounds good?

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:44.839
<v Speaker 1>All right, Dan again Bill Connolly, yep, Espianation podcast Ain't

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:47.399
<v Speaker 1>played Nobody, Don't forget to buy his book. We'll put

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the link in the description of this show, the fifty

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Best College Football Teams of All Time. And he sort

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:55.879
<v Speaker 1>of gave away the game a little bit, saying, well,

0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the title might not be perfectly representative of what this

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:03.240
<v Speaker 1>bo book entails, but I like what he did. Bill's

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.279
<v Speaker 1>a student of the game. Anyone who's ever read Bill

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 1>knows that he's a student of the game for nearly

0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>every aspect he can be. So I'm excited to dive

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and I haven't had a chance to read it yet.

0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited I have to and learned a little bit

0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 1>more about the fine work that he did. Also, I

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed this show. I really like the sound. I feel

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:26.600
<v Speaker 1>like I've got a new one that I can add

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 1>to the arsenal now as we go through the off season,

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and maybe can sub that one out for my hypothetical sound.

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:34.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to tell you something one hundred percent real

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 3>about Bill's book, The fifty Best Astress College Football Teams

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 3>of All Time. It's a hell of a pooper reed

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 3>tie really it is, because listen, it's broken up, it's

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.200
<v Speaker 3>fifty teams, it's a couple hundred pages, so they're almost

0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 3>just like Bill boils everything down into what you need

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 3>to know about each squad and each he provides a

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:55.919
<v Speaker 3>ton of good context. But there have been times where

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I've said to myself, you know what, I'm an exercise today,

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 3>or I am going to to eat a little extra

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.479
<v Speaker 3>fiber so I have some more reading time with Bill,

0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.879
<v Speaker 3>that's one hundred percent true that ginger Tea is very

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:11.360
<v Speaker 3>good for it. If you go with some stuff that

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.680
<v Speaker 3>really suits your factory, well you can get down with

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Bill in a very intimate way.

0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Now would be a good time to point out that

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 1>one of the off season shows that we will this

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 1>is your dream show. I don't believe we're going to

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 1>do the bathroom Medicut show.

0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 3>We're not going to do that.

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:30.200
<v Speaker 1>We shouldn't do that. Let me ask you this. People

0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:31.520
<v Speaker 1>would be repulsed if we did that.

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.320
<v Speaker 3>But I've got may I follow up with your statement?

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Please?

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.120
<v Speaker 3>I have not agree to if we do a Q

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:40.040
<v Speaker 3>and A say next week, as we've been doing early

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:43.320
<v Speaker 3>on in the off season months, and people happen to

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 3>write in with questions about bathroom Medicot and it's mixed

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:50.439
<v Speaker 3>into a general college football, non college football show, will

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 3>you reveal some of your secrets about the bathroom.

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm going to have to be extremely careful

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 1>about how I word some of their responses here. It

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be corporate bathroom etiquette. Okay, okay, right,

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:06.319
<v Speaker 1>so we're not specifying, right.

0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:09.400
<v Speaker 3>It could be home, it could be at the in laws,

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:11.560
<v Speaker 3>it could be you know, you're in the middle of

0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:13.840
<v Speaker 3>the street in Chicago and you need to is it

0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:16.959
<v Speaker 3>a Barnes and Noble situation? You know, maybe talk about

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:18.800
<v Speaker 3>what you do if you're on a college campus, and

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:20.240
<v Speaker 3>how to scope out the best bathroom.

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:22.879
<v Speaker 1>If people want to ask questions about it, I might

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:26.799
<v Speaker 1>have to go through and handpick the ones that I'm

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:29.200
<v Speaker 1>willing to answer. But you know this, no one else

0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 1>knows this. There isn't a week that goes by that

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't message you about a new bathroom etiquette observation.

0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 3>This is absolutely true. Yeah, So what I'm saying is

0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 3>you don't need to bring your own experiences to the table.

0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Tie. Yeah, we have listeners who work in offices of

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.400
<v Speaker 1>all kinds. We could broaden it to office etiquette. We

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:51.440
<v Speaker 1>got a great one about fingernail clipping at the office cubicle,

0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>which I can elaborate on based on a previous role. Yeah,

0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:58.520
<v Speaker 1>but yes we will.

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 3>We will take any question that people have and Ty

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:04.400
<v Speaker 3>will give you his expertise based on his own experience.

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that's fair to say.

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we can do that. Okay. I don't know

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 1>how he got on that tangent oh poop read right.

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:13.799
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, oh Bill, Yeah, read this book. I mean,

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.480
<v Speaker 3>read it anywhere. Read it while you're traveling, read it

0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 3>while you're on the beach, read it, you know, at

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.720
<v Speaker 3>night before you go to sleep. But I'm just telling

0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:26.759
<v Speaker 3>you this is almost scientifically created and curated for your

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:27.800
<v Speaker 3>thronell experience.

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Bill's gonna love He's gonna love that ringing endorsement from.

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 3>If there's another printing, I'd be happy to blurb it. Okay,

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:35.480
<v Speaker 3>I'd be happy to blow.

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, we see the Amazon review under an anonymous name,

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>will know who it is.

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's correct.

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Big thanks to Bill Connolly Again, don't forget to check

0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:47.840
<v Speaker 1>him out again. Espianation podcast ain't played nobody the fifty

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 1>best college football teams of all time. We will absolutely

0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 1>put that link in our podcast description. We're off until

0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.800
<v Speaker 1>next Wednesday. We'll be back talk some more college football

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:00.120
<v Speaker 1>with all y'all. Don't forget. You can email us at

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:03.000
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0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:08.520
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0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:10.880
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0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that guy over there in beautiful New York City, Dan Rubinstein.

0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:20.920
<v Speaker 1>For myself here in good old Eastern PA. My name

0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 1>is ty Hildebrandt. We will catch you all in a week.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, stay solid, hey,