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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'm that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for dake Ado State? Is

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Speaker 1: that woo woom? And Dan and Tye welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Solid Verble boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildenbrandt.

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Speaker 1: I am joined as always by my good friend. He's

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Speaker 1: a colleague, he's a co host for many years. His

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Rubinstein. Over there in New York City, Sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you? Ty?

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Speaker 3: I am excited. I am ready to go. I could

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Speaker 3: not be looking forward to this show more. We've got

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Speaker 3: a longtime friend coming. We have baseless, baseless predictions, and

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Speaker 3: we get to talk about intellectual things with college football,

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Speaker 3: so it's something for everybody.

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Speaker 1: I was not prepared for this intellectual portion.

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Speaker 3: Dan, We never are, Ty, That's what makes us so charming.

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Speaker 1: It is May. It is the college football off season.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, we put out our How

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Speaker 1: Coaches Get Made show, which people seem to enjoy. People

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Speaker 1: seem to enjoy that. We had a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: with the show we did last week as well, so

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Speaker 1: you know we're doing our best here to make the

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Speaker 1: time pass in the doldrums that are the college football

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Speaker 1: off season. Now, we've been doing this for a number

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Speaker 1: of years now, and one of the shows that I

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Speaker 1: know you mentioned to me earlier in the week that

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Speaker 1: we need to plan out that we need to make

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Speaker 1: sure happens this history of the soliverbal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Ultimate Naval Gaze.

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Speaker 1: So I believe that's going to happen tentatively at some

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Speaker 1: point in July. We've had a couple people ask us

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Speaker 1: when might that show be in the build up to

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Speaker 1: what will be our tenth college football regular season, which

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Speaker 1: is crazy. We will be doing a history of style

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Speaker 1: show at some point later this summer.

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Speaker 3: You will not be revealing the secret day job.

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Speaker 1: I will not be revealing this secret day job, but

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Speaker 1: we will be giving you a unique behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: look at how the sausage gets made here, how it's

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Speaker 1: gotten made over the years. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this will be our tenth season like football season together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Crazy.

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Speaker 3: So that's sort of a preamble to that. If you

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Speaker 3: haven't and even if you don't listen to the podcast

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Speaker 3: as you should, that's insane. Listen to the Starters formerly

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Speaker 3: known as the Basketball Jones. They did it, I want

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Speaker 3: it's an incredible listen just like how far those guys

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Speaker 3: of them and hopefully you guys will enjoy it, because

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Speaker 3: send them an hour and a half link here you go. Yes,

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Speaker 3: everything you could possibly want to know about us and

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Speaker 3: what was going on in our lives is everything was

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Speaker 3: transpiring with the show, and we were growing and how

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Speaker 3: we did things and how we think we did things.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to do that over the summer. At

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Speaker 3: some point. We've got another show planned with our friend

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Speaker 3: Bill Barnwell, Yes, a look back at a new topic

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Speaker 3: before it was EMO. We're going to wax nostalgic about

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Speaker 3: something else that we have planned.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited about this show, Dan.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know it.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: So we've got some plans And because the feedback on

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Speaker 3: the How College Football Worked episode with the coaching hires

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Speaker 3: seem to be exceedingly positive, which we're never quite used to.

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Speaker 3: We have a plan. I think to do a couple

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Speaker 1: That is the plan. We thank you for listening. Don't forget.

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Speaker 1: Look us up. We're the Sliverbal. We're also on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: the works. Okay, so Dan, Yeah, what are we doing today? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I love that that song behind you. Today, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: We're going to try to just find truth, Ty. We're

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Speaker 1: What is it? That song just sort of comes at

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Speaker 1: you in waves, doesn't it right?

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Speaker 3: It starts up, it comes down.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So we're gonna bring on our friend Bill Connolly

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Speaker 3: of Vespianation Podcasting played nobody and of course his new

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Speaker 3: book about the fifty best and most interesting and greatest

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Speaker 3: So again, packed full of emotions. Ty, we're gonna look

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Speaker 3: into the future, We're going to look into the past.

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Speaker 3: We're going to stay in the present. The show is

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Speaker 1: Without further ado. Let's welcome in our friend Bill Connelly. Sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 1: You're already previewing teams? You've been previewing teams for a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm almost done with the mid majors as a

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Speaker 2: matter of fact, finished finished AAC, got the AAC Power

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Speaker 1: How do you how do you do that? Like, what

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Speaker 1: is your process for acquiring that information so far in advance?

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Speaker 2: He was listed on the roster, they had started spring practice.

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Speaker 3: Ty, you know what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that Bill

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Speaker 3: uses current information to try and look into the future.

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Speaker 3: Oh That's what I'm hearing, Tie, All right, Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: do tell what is the name of this game? Oh,

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Speaker 3: that's a great question. We are going to call it

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Speaker 3: the solid verbal Cloudy Glimpse into the Nether Fall, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that as well. I like nether Fall, though,

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Speaker 1: how does this work? What is the nether Fall? Okay?

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Speaker 3: We have a number of items, and we are using

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Speaker 3: what we're going to see in the fall. But there

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Speaker 3: are always nuggets, Tie, There are always nuggets. So many

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Speaker 3: So we are going to try and look at some nuggets,

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Speaker 3: to see what might, in fact, IIE be Big. Now

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Speaker 3: I understand it's a bit of a mixed metaphor because

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Speaker 1: We haven't heard from Bill at a while. You're still

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Speaker 1: over there, right, we haven't bored you to death.

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Speaker 3: No, well, it's who's to say Bill, who is to

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Speaker 3: Don't turn us in? So, yeah, we are going to

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Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out how chicken nuggets are

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Speaker 3: Okay, so, as we know, as Bill and you and

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Speaker 3: the college football universe at large, nos, Ohio State is

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Speaker 3: this spring, Joe Burrow, Dwayne Haskins, and of course the

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Speaker 3: We know Ohio State and Urban Meyer have a hiss

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Speaker 3: of perhaps starting the wrong quarterback recently. So what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: Barrett is the trigger man.

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Speaker 1: All right, mister Connolly, let's throw it over to you.

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Speaker 1: You heard the setup? What see you? Whyse suthes Sayer

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Speaker 1: in your crystal ball?

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Speaker 2: You know, I always land with the incumbent, you know,

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Speaker 2: we always fall in love with the other options. But

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Speaker 2: in the end, I mean, the guy who's been around

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Speaker 3: Ty play the sound again for me plays oh It's lovely,

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Speaker 1: How about that? Would you say he's digging in at quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Just checking, just checking? Fair enough? Where are we going

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Speaker 3: following Tua? And I'm going to get this right. Tongue

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that Tua Tongua Valoga to Tua let's

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Speaker 1: I got to use the sounding because I love the sound.

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Speaker 1: your list. Why are you asking this? How could you

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Speaker 3: Ty as the sheriff's thing in college football?

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Speaker 1: Is this what I feel? This is like a Oiji

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Speaker 2: Alabama fans have been very much pushing for that too,

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Speaker 2: So it's out there. It's out there.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So you're not wrong to say that Jalen

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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear you say that name again to

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Speaker 1: what was it, Tagavaloa, Tagavloa, thank tounguea Valoa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, seventeen of twenty nine for three thirteen passing day.

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Speaker 1: I don't see him being supplanted anytime soon. Bill. Look

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Speaker 2: I have seen, you know, huddle film of Taga Blowa.

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Speaker 2: there's no question I Meanson Clemson won the national title

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Speaker 2: I just I'm just allergic to quarterback controversies. I hate

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Speaker 3: To be clear, I don't I don't want this, you guys.

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Speaker 1: I just see things.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts is the guy of the complete offensive coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Tua fits. What the it's Brian something comes in

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Speaker 3: just maybe, Ty, this is what the doctor ordered. The

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Speaker 3: good doctor wanted some Hawaiian.

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Speaker 1: Hawaiian refreshments, Hawaiian punch. Yeah. Look here, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You could start an old boot at quarterback for Alabama

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Speaker 1: This is a team that's loaded to the gills, and

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Speaker 1: you can make a real strong case. Bill could probably

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Speaker 1: To simply have two quarterbacks that are mobile, agile, hostile

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Speaker 2: I could be meet and point out that your point

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Speaker 2: Greg McElroy, but I'm not gonna say that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be mean, Nope, absolutely not. That's

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Speaker 3: looking into the past.

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Speaker 1: Regardless of who plays quarterback, Alabama will be just fine,

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's hurts. I think your crystal

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Speaker 3: Easy to say in May, easy to say in May.

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Speaker 3: Next item, This one's interesting to me. So the Pac

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Speaker 2: I think really the answer to that comes partially with

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Speaker 2: It's just kind of breaking in new pieces. So in theory,

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be awesome. I'm trying here, but they're going

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Speaker 1: Dan, you have the most pessimistic crystal ball I think

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Speaker 3: I've got I've got guys jumping up and executing. I've got,

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Speaker 1: So again, we're talking about the PAC twelve as a whole.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about the PAC twelve as a whole

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Speaker 1: I think it's a distinct possibility that USC won't win

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Speaker 1: It's really good.

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Speaker 2: I think it just comes out of it to the

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Speaker 2: PAC twelve title game. I mean that's you know, they

437
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Speaker 2: get Colorado on the road. Colorado will take a step backwards.

438
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much of one, but they will.

439
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Speaker 2: Arizona State might not be ready yet on the road

440
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: at cal I. Really, they get U telling UCLA at home.

441
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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to make the case for anybody

442
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Speaker 2: else to win the South, but I mean, you're right,

443
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 2: they're going to play a really good team on a

444
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: neutral field in the PAC twelve title game, and therefore

445
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Speaker 2: they need to obviously lose that.

446
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Speaker 3: I'm seeing a lightning storm, and I'm seeing on the

447
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Speaker 3: outside offensively for USC and defensively we talk about the

448
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: defensive backfield. You Sam being too negative. I see a

449
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Speaker 3: ton of positivity here because when you look at their schedule,

450
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Speaker 3: how many good proven quarterbacks do you see?

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

452
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Speaker 3: I don't see. If you want to count Josh Rosen,

453
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Speaker 3: which I think is reasonable, tie, he might be the

454
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Speaker 3: only one. And that's not until November eighteenth. You want

455
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Speaker 3: to say, Shane Buchelle, I can't fully agree. And beyond

456
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Speaker 3: that tie good proven quarterbacks are I'm not seeing them

457
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Speaker 3: in my cloudy orb.

458
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Speaker 1: You're not wrong.

459
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Speaker 3: So I'm seeing positivity. I'm seeing electricity. I'm feeling good vibrations.

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Speaker 1: Still, you know, the only reason you put this in

461
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Speaker 1: as crystal ball was because he wants a Oregon to

462
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Speaker 1: win the Pac twelve.

463
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Speaker 3: Right, you know I don't. That is not in my orb.

464
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Speaker 1: All right, keep shaking that thing. Where are we going next?

465
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Speaker 3: Next Bill, We'll start with you once again. Penn states

466
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 3: in year two of the Joe Moore head era, we'll

467
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Speaker 3: have the clear best and deepest skill group in the

468
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Speaker 3: Big ten even without I believe Chris Godwin has departed

469
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Speaker 3: to the NF But Saquon Barkley, They've got young receivers

470
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: coming on strong. They've got experience on the offensive line,

471
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Speaker 3: if not a couple of holes to fill, but trace

472
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Speaker 3: McSorley in the effort go deep offense, Penn State will

473
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Speaker 3: have the clear most dangerous and electric offense all season

474
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Speaker 3: long in the Big Ten.

475
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Speaker 2: With Ohio State's potential with Mike Webber, with Brown, with

476
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Speaker 2: baw et cetera. I can't say for sure that that's

477
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Speaker 2: the case because the Ohio State exists. But if Juwan

478
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Speaker 2: Johnson turns out to be as good as everybody from

479
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Speaker 2: Penn State says he is, and he had a great

480
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: spring and all that that, if he's there, you know, say,

481
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Speaker 2: black Nole's still there. Mike Ziki might be the best

482
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Speaker 2: tight end in the country. Sae Kwon Barkley rush for

483
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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred yards without an offensive line, which is really

484
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Speaker 2: tricky and hard to do. I've heard Miles Sanders as

485
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Speaker 2: soon as he learns to not drop the ball, he's

486
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Speaker 2: going to be amazing. So yeah, I'd say the potential

487
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Speaker 2: is there, but Ohio State's still going to have a

488
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Speaker 2: little something to say.

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Speaker 1: About when you look at Penn State schedule again in

490
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Speaker 1: your crystal ball bill, where do you feel the biggest

491
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Speaker 1: land mines are, Because if I step through it here,

492
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Speaker 1: Akron Pitt, Georgia State, at Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan's going

493
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Speaker 1: to be tough, but they lose a ton on defense.

494
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Speaker 1: They're kind of starting over in some respects on offense.

495
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Speaker 1: Ohio State obviously the most name brand variety of landman,

496
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Speaker 1: but Michigan State still trying to find their way after

497
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Speaker 1: last year. Rutgers Nebraska entirely new defense, and at Maryland

498
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: who maybe could be sneaky, but it just perhaps it's rhetorical.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't look to me like there is so

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Speaker 1: much AMMO in that schedule that they are in any

501
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Speaker 1: real danger of falling below you know, ten nine wins

502
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Speaker 1: at the absolute minimum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about them as a

504
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Speaker 2: national title contender, then they can't drop any of those

505
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Speaker 2: games because of Ohio State probably, but and you could

506
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Speaker 2: really make a case that, Okay, so maybe Iowa Northwestern

507
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 2: and Michigan State or well, and I mean Maryland too,

508
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: that they all won't really seriously challenge and stay, but

509
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: one of them it could most likely trip them up.

510
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of the lots of land mines

511
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: there on the road, even if we don't count of

512
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Speaker 2: High State, which is not a which is a little

513
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: too big to call a landmine, I would say. But

514
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Speaker 2: if we're talking about if we're sitting in the bar

515
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Speaker 2: nine or ten wins, yeah, I'd say they've got a

516
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Speaker 2: very very good chance to do that. Their defense is fine,

517
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not necessarily good enough to stop an

518
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: elite level offense. There areked a lot of elite offenses

519
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Speaker 2: on that schedule, especially with pitt rebuilding, so they're probably

520
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Speaker 2: gonna they're looking at worth probably ten wins, I think,

521
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Speaker 2: unless mcsorty gets hurt, and then who knows after that?

522
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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so here's where I'm going to go ahead

523
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: and renew my pessimistic Trace mcswirly card Dan please tie.

524
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Speaker 1: I was not sold on Trace for a good chunk

525
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: of last season, and then the Minnesota game happened. They

526
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Speaker 1: seem to use him a little differently. He obviously caught fire,

527
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: was throwing the ball downfield like a like a mad banshee,

528
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: and Iowa game was great. Yeah, I mean he he

529
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: was great. He was objectively great second half of last season.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, I still remain unconvinced of his skill set.

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Speaker 1: I know the kid's a winner, I know he got

532
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Speaker 1: it done last year. I'm curious to see what he

533
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Speaker 1: does without Chris Godwin. Perhaps that's just me being artificially pessimistic,

534
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: but for some odd reason, I just I have a

535
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Speaker 1: hard time trusting that he's got staying power to be

536
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: that good all the time.

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Speaker 2: Well anytime? Are you know we're relying on on a

538
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: collection of four or five six games to completely I mean,

539
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: you think about what everybody was saying about Penn State

540
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: at the end of September, and now they're not. They're

541
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Speaker 2: this supposedly known quantity, absolute surefire Big ten national title contender,

542
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: et cetera. When you know, a month in to last year,

543
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: people thought James Becker was gonna get fired. So when

544
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: the perceptions changed that quickly, yeah, it's it's sometimes worth

545
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: it to kind of tap the brakes little and really

546
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: kind of reassess. But yeah, the last half of last

547
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: year they were amazing.

548
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Speaker 1: On offense, absolutely, so I guess with that in mind, Dan, yes,

549
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: perhaps to Bill's point of needing a little bit more

550
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: data to feel truly comfortable. I will stop short of

551
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: saying that Penn State has the clear the best or

552
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: the deepest skill group in the Big Ten, but they're

553
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: certainly in the equation. If McSorley keeps doing what he

554
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: did at the second half of last season, then then

555
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: they're definitely in a very strong position to take the cake.

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Speaker 3: Now, Tye, as I look into the horizon, can I

557
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: hear my music?

558
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: Please? Tach?

559
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: Can I hear my music? As I look into the horizon?

560
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: Thank you?

561
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: I see calm waters for Penn State for the first

562
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: five or six weeks, tie. But then as I look

563
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: into my orb, I see them nowhere near central Pennsylvania.

564
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 3: And that is because three of four games on the

565
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 3: road northwestern Ohio State and Michigan State, all the way

566
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Speaker 3: from Central PA, all away from the Is there a valley,

567
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: ty Yeah, they're located.

568
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea.

569
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Speaker 3: Is it a happy valley?

570
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: It's very happy.

571
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Speaker 3: Normally I see unhappiness away from the valley, not in

572
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: the form of Ohio State, not in the form of

573
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Speaker 3: Michigan within the valley, but two weeks of body blows

574
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: before traveling to East Lansing. I see a trip up

575
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: spot there, I see a d I see an iss,

576
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 3: I see a ree, and I see a spect with

577
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Speaker 3: Michigan State. To answer the question, though, Penn State will, indeed,

578
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: because of Saquon Barkley and the attention he'll receive upfront,

579
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 3: have the clear best deepest skill group in the Big

580
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: Ten and they win the conference once again.

581
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Speaker 1: How about that? Wow? Okay, all right, we got another

582
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: one on here, go ahead, we do. Yeah.

583
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: Clemson Tigers. Clemson with their quarterback struggles this spring being

584
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Speaker 3: an eye to the fall where they don't have obviously

585
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: an incumbent with the Shawn Watson off to the NFL.

586
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: The Houston Texans Kelly Bryant, I believe one gentleman's name

587
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: is Israel. That's all I really. There's a freshman that

588
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: is promising, but all of them sort of struggled in

589
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: the spring, both on the field and with injury to

590
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: really make a mark. Clemson has a very good defense,

591
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: but schedule's not great. They have Auburn early. They're on

592
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: the road at Louisville, They're on the road in Blacksburg,

593
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Speaker 3: They're at the Carrier Dome on a Friday night, I

594
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: already don't like it. I already don't like it. They

595
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: have Florida State at home, but I say Clemson will not.

596
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: This is what the ball is telling me. Okay, make

597
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: a New Year's six bowl game.

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Speaker 1: This is such pessimistic balls, Dan, It's just tough, And yes,

599
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I am with you. I think that early season matchup

600
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Speaker 1: against Auburn will be a bit of a menace for them.

601
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: And not to say Auburn is going to be back

602
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: to Cam Newton days, but I feel like they should

603
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: be good enough on defense to challenge Clemson, to keep

604
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: things a bit confusing for whoever ends up playing quarterback,

605
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: and they've obviously got that Florida State game later in

606
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: the year. Florida State should be really good this season.

607
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: You never know what happens when you go to Virginia Tech.

608
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 1: You never know if there's another game lurking, you know.

609
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: I think by the end of the year they'll be

610
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: fine at quarterback. I really do. Dabosweeney will find a

611
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: way to coach up that position group. But to start

612
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: out knowing that they've lost a lot from last season offensively,

613
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Speaker 1: it's going to take them a while to get things going.

614
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: So I think just in general offensive struggles. Offensive uncertainty

615
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: could mean them missing a New Year Six Bowl game,

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Speaker 1: maybe not specifically that quarterback group.

617
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Speaker 2: I think I agree because there are a lot of

618
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Speaker 2: good defenses on that schedule, and I mean they'll have

619
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Speaker 2: the defense to kind of you know, it'll be a

620
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: lot of gross games, maybe like Clemson last year was

621
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: the Auburn's gonna have a good defense. Louisville could, Boston

622
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: College could, Virginia Tech will in c State might have

623
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: one of the best run defenses in the country this year,

624
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: and they play at Virginia Tech at NC State. It

625
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: does feel like there are a couple of losses in there,

626
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: and you know, obviously Florida State at South Carolina, there

627
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: are a lot of opportunities there where there will be

628
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: a very very good team, but they'll finish ten and

629
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Speaker 2: two and then have to settle for a New Year's

630
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: Bowl or something into that effecting instead of the New

631
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: Year's six Bowl, which is just you know, a crushing

632
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: disappointment of a season.

633
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 3: I realize, yeah, I'm seeing them missing that New Year

634
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: Six Bowl tie. Yeah, in my visions, in my vibrations

635
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: and my energies in front of me I'm seeing some struggles,

636
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: and I think Bill hit it on the head. They

637
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: struggled with NC State with Deshaun Watson, with Mike Williams,

638
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: with Jordan Leggett, with Wayne Gollman, and I think, listen,

639
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: take it from take it from me, Take it from

640
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: a Notre Dame fan in you that even though you

641
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: get good quarterback play year in year out for what

642
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: seems like a long time, you get it until you

643
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: don't ty and it can disappear quickly. It's an elixir

644
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: that not every team, every program has And I think

645
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: you're right. By the end of the season, I think

646
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: they'll have something going. But early on I think that

647
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: it's going to be a little bit rocky and that's

648
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: going to cost him a January one game.

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Speaker 1: All Right, There you have it. This has been an

650
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Speaker 1: eliminating look dan into the pessimistic and optimistic crystal balls

651
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Speaker 1: here in the Soliverbol while we've got Bill, Yes, we

652
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: do need to talk about something else. I mentioned it

653
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: at the top and we introduced him. But he's got

654
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: a book out. It's called the fifty Best College Football

655
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Teams of All Time. I read to you directly from

656
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: the official description of the book that Bill Connolly dives

657
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: into history and evolution of the sport, telling its story

658
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: through fifty particularly interesting teams. Now this is across the

659
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: rich history of college football. It's not just fifty ten

660
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: teams over the last fifty years or anything like that.

661
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: As I'm sure you are aware, Bill, Like, the hardest

662
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: thing to do in sports is compare eras, and your

663
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: books entirely about comparing eras. How do you put one

664
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: hundred or one hundred plus years of college football on

665
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: an equal playing field? And to try to sess this

666
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: all out.

667
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: Well, I start by not actually trying to determine the

668
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: best at all that was. That is a little misdirection

669
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: on the cover, as you see the little asterisks there,

670
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: the little anti social asterisks that you know, probably shouldn't

671
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: have had, and it'd be a lot easier to explain.

672
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is fifty easy, fifty interesting, influential, innovative

673
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: teams that allowed me to tell college football story. So

674
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: I was able to kind of you know, I was

675
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: a setless nerd when I was going to concerts in college,

676
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: and this is a set list crafted to allow me

677
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: to do that. From some offensive innovators to some defensive innovators,

678
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: teams that just had crazy, wacky years, teams that were awesome,

679
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: teams that were almost awesome. And I was able to

680
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: kind of piece it together there to where if you

681
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: read it straight through, it tells college football story. If

682
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: you skip around to just the teams you want, it's fine.

683
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: You know you'll get that team story too. But you

684
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: can kind of trace the evolution from nineteen oh six

685
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: Chicago to twenty thirteen Auburn pretty well.

686
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: I think, well, football is unique in the way it's evolved,

687
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: both in the rules of the game and the styles

688
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: and schemes within the game. You see a year to year,

689
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: but I'd imagine if you look at it over one

690
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: hundred plus years, you're really going to get a full

691
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: sense for how much the game has changed. Let's assume

692
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: football's around in fifty years. What does it look like.

693
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: Where is it headed now in twenty seventeen relative to

694
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: where it was and where you think it's going to head?

695
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think basically it's you know, the

696
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: Spencer Hall's piece earlier in this earlier this week at

697
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 2: sp Nation kind of covered the same thought. Pretty well.

698
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: You know, it gets fafter and it gets more spread out,

699
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: and that's kind of the way things have gone. That's

700
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: probably the way they'll keep going to some degree, and

701
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: there are a million ways to do that, but that's

702
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: that's kind of where it goes. And so you know

703
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: when you compare, when you compare nineteen oh six Chicago

704
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: to twenty thirteen Auburn, you kind of you see that

705
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: the way that motion, well, like nineteen seventeen Georgia Tech,

706
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: they use the jump shift. Basically a bunch of guys

707
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: would literally jump to kind of change the matchups, to

708
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: change the numbers. That was their version of Auburn running

709
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: motion on every single play to figure out where the

710
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: numbers advantages were for Tray Mason in twenty thirteen. And

711
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of that you see, and I

712
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: mean it was still all. You know, college football is

713
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: so rich because it has been around so fricking long,

714
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: and so there have been so many teams, so many

715
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: programs that have hundred plus year histories. That's not something

716
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: we can really say about many pro sports. I mean,

717
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: even baseball has been around forever, they haven't had one

718
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: hundred plus teams playing major division ball. And so there's

719
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: all this the quote unquote pomping circumstance that makes it

720
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: all college football, and the fact that you're always using

721
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty two year old male to play the

722
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: game kind of ensures that you have a certain similarities

723
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: from era to era. But no, the game is going

724
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: to get faster, it's going to get in theory a

725
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: little bit less violent, and I'm betting it will probably

726
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: still exist in fifty years.

727
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: Harder or easier to build a truly dominant team in

728
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty.

729
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you had the advantage of you know,

730
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: minimal film and uh, you know, you had a lot

731
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: of advantages like that. But you also nobody was recruited

732
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: nationally except for maybe not to Dame at that point,

733
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: so you were kind of more a victim of the

734
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: talent at hand. And so I would say more difficult,

735
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: but also harder to tell if you're dominant, or if

736
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: you're dominant nationally at least, because yeah, you know, unless

737
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: you're Notre Dame, you're only playing teams within your region

738
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: and then maybe a ball opponent at the end of

739
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: the year and bowl and teams really didn't take baths

740
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: all that seriously. Then, So I would say it was

741
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: probably less, it was either harder to build a dominant

742
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: team or know you had a dominant team.

743
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: Bill.

744
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: If nothing else, the book seems to sort of be

745
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: a way for you, a vehicle for you to talk

746
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: about what you sort of love about the sports. And

747
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: it looks to me and I insist that you correct

748
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, especially with some of the modern

749
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: teams that you've chosen, but even throughout the history, So

750
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 3: your first team and here is the nineteen oh six

751
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: University of Chicago team, and the final team on here

752
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: is your twenty thirteen or college Football's twenty thirteen Auburn Tigers.

753
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: But it seems that if there is a through point,

754
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: it's sort of the idea of coming out of nowhere,

755
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: like you have two thousand and seven with Chip Kelly

756
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: coming out of now or Boise State coming out of nowhere,

757
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen Cosmels on coming as as a high school coach,

758
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: you know of Voomerkin from Arkansas. You have a Dartmouth

759
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: team in nineteen seventy, you have Michael Vick and Virginia

760
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: Tech exploding onto the national stage without really a rich history,

761
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: a rich modern history before then. Is that something that

762
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: feels unique to college football because the feeding system almost

763
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: is so unknown to everybody outside of that one local

764
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: ecosystem for that team.

765
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was probably a good and there are a

766
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: lot of examples, like you know, choosing four Texas instead

767
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: of five, ninety four Nebraska instead of ninety five. I

768
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: think at the bottom line is if I would have

769
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: actually written a book about the fifty absolute best teams,

770
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: you know, forty five of them them would have finished undefeated,

771
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: and about half of them you would have basically been

772
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: the same story to tell over and over again with

773
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: different names. And so the interesting part to me is, yeah,

774
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: sometimes it's the parts you didn't expect or the things

775
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: that happened right before the big run. Oh, four Texas

776
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: being the best example of that. That was the team

777
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: where you know, we were talking about Penn State and

778
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: the fact that you know, the perceptions changed so quickly. Well,

779
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: halfway through two thousand and four, Vince Young was a disappointment.

780
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: He was getting benched because he you know, they got

781
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 2: shut out against Oklahoma, he got benched against Missouri because

782
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: he was throwing terrible interceptions. He was not Vince Young

783
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: until late in that season. Uh, And that was that's

784
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: a more interesting story. Ninety four Nebraska having to deal

785
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: with Tommy Frasier's injuries and deal with actual adversity instead

786
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: of the ninety five team, which just wrecked everybody. It

787
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: was a lot more interesting to tell those stories. So

788
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: I do think I leaned into it, especially especially for

789
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: the more recent teams, where I knew more about them

790
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: heading in, like some of the older teams. I mean,

791
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: like forty five Army was the best team of all time.

792
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: That one's pretty that was interesting to tell because of

793
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: all the transfers and all that, But it was still

794
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: just dominant game after Domina game. As I got to,

795
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 2: you know, more recent times, I did seem to favor

796
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: the surprises or the out of nowhere things are just

797
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: the you know, the the realized greatness part, instead of

798
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: just the full season of domination.

799
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: It's obviously going to be nearly impossible to pick one

800
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: or two or three. But college football, maybe more than

801
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: any other sport, is it seems like it's defined by

802
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: larger than life personalities of the coaches. Was there anybody

803
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: when researching this? I mean, you look through all that,

804
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: you know you have Steve Spurry, you have Don James,

805
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: you have Tom Devaney and you have just like there's

806
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: a million different people, you have less miles on. Here

807
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: are there personalities going back in time that you were

808
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: not expecting to either like or be intrigued by as

809
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: much as you were.

810
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really happy that I chose sixty five

811
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: UCLA for the book because Tommy prothrow was fascinating. I

812
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: wish he had never gone to the pros. I wish

813
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: he like he belonged with college football. You know, he

814
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: carried a briefcase around nobody ever knew what was in it.

815
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: He's done all these really super weird quirks and he

816
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: was a g I meant, I got a Heisman winner

817
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: at Oregon State and then he goes and wins the

818
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: Rose Bull his first year at UCLA. Like that was

819
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: he was a very very interesting character that maybe because

820
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: he left for the Pros when he did, he isn't

821
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: quite as as as regarded as well known as other coaches.

822
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 2: He was awesome though, And plus that sixty five UCLA team,

823
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: there was kind of a sense of discovery about some

824
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: of the older teams, just in that I made I

825
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: made my you know, my quote unquote set list, and

826
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: before I kind of knew everything I maybe needed to

827
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: know about some of these teams, and so it was

828
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: at dicovery process in the sixty five team ending with

829
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, a dramatic comeback went over USC and then

830
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: randomly I wanted Memphis to play Tennessee and getting screwed

831
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: on a couple of calls and Tennessee scoring the game

832
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: winning touchdown by like a millimeter and then knocking off

833
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: Michigan State at the last second to win the Rose Bowl.

834
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: That was one of the more Auburn twenty thirteen. Auburn

835
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: is kind of dramatic seasons that I was really happy that.

836
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: I chose of the of the coaches and programs that

837
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 3: you profiled here there there's also a theme of adaptability.

838
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: You know, this wrinkle happened to the team or to

839
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: the sports, the conference, whatever, and this is how this

840
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: team changed things up or responded or you know, reversed course.

841
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: Is there a specific coach that you feel or coach,

842
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: series of coaches whatever that you feel like has a

843
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: sort of timeless quality that could you know, if it's

844
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: you know, Bobby Bouten nineteen eighty one, whoever it is,

845
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: that could have succeeded in nineteen thirty seven, just as

846
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 3: well as they could have succeeded in two thousand and four.

847
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 3: Is there a guy that that fits that well?

848
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pot Rowe didn't have a specific formula

849
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 2: to go by, so he was probably on the list,

850
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: But I mean Bear Bryant's another one where you know,

851
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: the changes he made, you know, as his program began

852
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: to Stacknate and just created this decade of dominance in

853
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: the seventies, not just integrating his roster obviously, but also

854
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: catching on to the success of the Wishbone early kind

855
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: of breaking it in or installing it in the Debt

856
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: of Night basically after Springball had ended so that he

857
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: could unleash Hell in nineteen seventy one. That was pretty fun.

858
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: Thousand's another one I think that could have succeeded in

859
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. But yeah, there are some some

860
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: guys that are you know, that either made the book

861
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: or just were great in general because of the combination

862
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: of style. Like Barry Switzer, you know, would he have

863
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: succeeded without the Wishbone. He kind of tried to succeed

864
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: without the Wishbone in the in the early eighties, and

865
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: it didn't work. He kind of had to go back

866
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: to his baby a little bit. But but yeah, there

867
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: are certain coaches who, like, you know, John Heisman. You know,

868
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: obviously Stag is the ultimate example of the guy who

869
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: just like, oh, you're changing the road, all right, Well

870
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: that'll allow me to draw up these new plays and

871
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to be to like this instead. I mean,

872
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: they were a dominant team before the forward pass, they

873
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: were dominant team for a while after the forward pass,

874
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: so that there are plenty of examples of guys like

875
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: that that were pretty fun tinkers. And you know, really,

876
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: since Stag has awards named after him, maybe we should

877
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: start there.

878
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: Bill, what you learned that you didn't know? Or if

879
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: there are too many things to answer that, what was

880
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: your favorite thing that you learned while doing this?

881
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: I think I decided that the sport was really it

882
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: became itself in the mid nineteen twenties and early nineteen thirties,

883
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: because in that little period of time you had Notre

884
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: Dame becoming Notre Dame and you know, getting getting the

885
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: people in charge of the university to allow them to

886
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: go to the Rose Bowl, and then winning the Rose Bowl,

887
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: you know, and kind of becoming that national name. You

888
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: had Alabama winning in the Rose Bowl for the entire

889
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: South the very next year, and the SOW at that point.

890
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: Then the Southern schools that I actually really kind of

891
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: enjoyed football getting together a few years later, creating the SEC,

892
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: and you know, et cetera. From there, I guess, But

893
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: then you know, nineteen thirty, but with the with the

894
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: depression kind of thinking, and I wrote about nineteen thirty

895
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: Utah a team that was amazing that had nobody to

896
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: play basically, but they were trying to set up benefit

897
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: games and after the season against USC or some team

898
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 2: at Yankee Stadium just to kind of prove how good

899
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: they were. Number One, they had to give that up

900
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: because they had a basketball season to play, and all

901
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: those same guys were awesome at basketball and they went

902
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: like eighteen and three. But number two, that was the

903
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: idea of a depression era benefit game. Is why Army

904
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: Night and Navy started playing every year. And so all

905
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: these things that happened in that little bitty period of time,

906
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: from Notre Dame to the creation of the SEC to

907
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: Army Navy, all of that carried forward and kind of

908
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: defined the sports that was that. You know, if i'd

909
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: known how what some of the really good resources were

910
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: that I was going to be able to pull from

911
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: newspapers died Calm among them. Really, I would have maybe

912
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: chosen a people have a few more old teams, because

913
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: you really see it like there's a load of teams

914
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: in the seventies, eighties, nineties. I would have chosen more

915
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: from that era because it really was a nice learning process.

916
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 3: Bill, Was there a specific year or time when you

917
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: can point to the fact that this, you know, it

918
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: starts out as this hyper hyper local sport, slowly expands

919
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 3: to becoming regional, and then finally becomes a national sport.

920
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: I would assume relatively recently because of the advent of

921
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: the ability to watch so many games on TV.

922
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

923
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: Is could you see when you were researching when the

924
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: sort of switches got flipped from being sort of hyper

925
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: local maybe at the state level, maybe region level, maybe

926
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: half of the country level, and national level. Were there

927
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: specific tipping points or was it in fact sort of

928
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: super gradual?

929
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: Well, the first one was noted in becoming a national brand,

930
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: and then during the war, you know, being able to

931
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: kind of keep some of its players with because of

932
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: a connection with Navy during the war that they were

933
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: able to dominate during that time. Having that national name helped.

934
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: But really, yeah, I mean it goes down to was

935
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: that the ncaa versus border regions of Oklahoma in the

936
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: in our mid eighties, there the Supreme Court case that

937
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: basically said that teams could align with each other and

938
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: create their own television deals. That plus the creation of

939
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: ESPN and the emergency of ESPN created what we know

940
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: of there. It wasn't two or three or four or

941
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: five games a week. It's every game is now televised,

942
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: and that just that level of exposure changes everything. That's

943
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 2: kind of when when it started going down the road

944
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: of becoming a true national sport. And that is you

945
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: know what the part of the rationale for writing this

946
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: book in general is because it is our history is

947
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: so regionalized in this sport, and in that you know,

948
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: Alabama fans no Alabama's history, but not necessarily USC's and

949
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's and Notre Dames. And we all have our own

950
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: history books, but we don't have just a ton of

951
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: books that really tie everybody's history together. And so that

952
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: was one of the goals of the book.

953
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: Who is the most upset that a specific team was

954
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: left stout which fan base and which team? Do you

955
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: acknowledge that, yes, you have a point. I couldn't make

956
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: it the best seven hundred and forty four teams of

957
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: all times? Where has the title wave of criticism? I

958
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 3: assume good natured criticism come from well, well number one.

959
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: Miami fans yelling that I didn't include two thousand and

960
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: one in Miami because no matter how many times I

961
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: explained that it wasn't just the best teams and there

962
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: was more. I had explained that a lot to Miami fans,

963
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: Penn State fans had a legitimate gripe. There was really

964
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: there were two or three Penn State teams that were

965
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: on the initial Like when I created a list of

966
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: all the teams I wanted to cover, it was like

967
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and seven and there were like three of

968
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: them on there. But you know, for quote unquote set

969
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: list purposes, one of them didn't end up making their

970
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: the list. So that was an obvious if you're just

971
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: looking at the big name programs not having Penn State

972
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: on there. You know, obviously with some awkwardness now about

973
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: everything that we defined as the Joe paternal era, that

974
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: didn't help, but that was I think something I couldn't

975
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: quite figure out. Arkansas was another one that didn't and

976
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: should but really fans of of Kansas State were just

977
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: sad that like the ninety eight Kansas State team didn't

978
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: make it or something, and that made me said, all right, Bill.

979
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: Final question, it's open ended. Why should people? Why should

980
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: college football fans read this book?

981
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: Because it tells the story of college football and it

982
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: you know, we are fans of college football, we all

983
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 2: have our team, but this is this tells the sports

984
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: story and tells it's pretty much guaranteed to tell you

985
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: a lot of things you didn't know, and it really

986
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: it just ties together. I said this on podcastsing played

987
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: Nobody earlier today too. This is such a huge sport

988
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: in terms of the number of people it takes to

989
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: put a team together and take it on the road

990
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: to play another team. The number of people involved and

991
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: invested in this sport is just ridiculously big, and so

992
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: being able to tell not only fifty stories, but fifty

993
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: stories from like forty two different teams, every region, every era,

994
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: I think really it was very exciting. It was it

995
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: was a long time. It took a few number of

996
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: months to write this, but it was really worth it

997
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: because you could see the stories all kind of being

998
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: intertwined a little bit and a nice it's a nice

999
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: reminder that we're all in this together. I guess that's

1000
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: that's the handholdy way to say it.

1001
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: Very good. His name is Bill Connolly. Find his fine

1002
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: work at Espianation. Don't forget to buy his book again,

1003
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: the fifty Best College Football Teams of All Time and

1004
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: lest we forget podcast Ain't played Nobody. Him and Stephen

1005
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: godforre you do a wonderful college football podcast, which we

1006
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: would recommend to everyone that listens to the very bal Bill.

1007
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: Hope you're doing well. We will talk to you soon

1008
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: and it's a long off season, so keep doing what

1009
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: you do.

1010
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: Sounds good?

1011
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: All right, Dan again Bill Connolly, yep, Espianation podcast Ain't

1012
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: played Nobody, Don't forget to buy his book. We'll put

1013
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: the link in the description of this show, the fifty

1014
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: Best College Football Teams of All Time. And he sort

1015
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: of gave away the game a little bit, saying, well,

1016
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: the title might not be perfectly representative of what this

1017
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: bo book entails, but I like what he did. Bill's

1018
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: a student of the game. Anyone who's ever read Bill

1019
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: knows that he's a student of the game for nearly

1020
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: every aspect he can be. So I'm excited to dive

1021
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: and I haven't had a chance to read it yet.

1022
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm excited I have to and learned a little bit

1023
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: more about the fine work that he did. Also, I

1024
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: enjoyed this show. I really like the sound. I feel

1025
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: like I've got a new one that I can add

1026
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: to the arsenal now as we go through the off season,

1027
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: and maybe can sub that one out for my hypothetical sound.

1028
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you something one hundred percent real

1029
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: about Bill's book, The fifty Best Astress College Football Teams

1030
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: of All Time. It's a hell of a pooper reed

1031
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: tie really it is, because listen, it's broken up, it's

1032
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: fifty teams, it's a couple hundred pages, so they're almost

1033
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: just like Bill boils everything down into what you need

1034
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: to know about each squad and each he provides a

1035
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 3: ton of good context. But there have been times where

1036
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: I've said to myself, you know what, I'm an exercise today,

1037
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: or I am going to to eat a little extra

1038
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 3: fiber so I have some more reading time with Bill,

1039
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 3: that's one hundred percent true that ginger Tea is very

1040
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 3: good for it. If you go with some stuff that

1041
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: really suits your factory, well you can get down with

1042
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: Bill in a very intimate way.

1043
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: Now would be a good time to point out that

1044
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: one of the off season shows that we will this

1045
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: is your dream show. I don't believe we're going to

1046
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: do the bathroom Medicut show.

1047
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: We're not going to do that.

1048
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: We shouldn't do that. Let me ask you this. People

1049
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: would be repulsed if we did that.

1050
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 3: But I've got may I follow up with your statement?

1051
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: Please?

1052
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: I have not agree to if we do a Q

1053
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: and A say next week, as we've been doing early

1054
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 3: on in the off season months, and people happen to

1055
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: write in with questions about bathroom Medicot and it's mixed

1056
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 3: into a general college football, non college football show, will

1057
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: you reveal some of your secrets about the bathroom.

1058
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to have to be extremely careful

1059
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: about how I word some of their responses here. It

1060
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be corporate bathroom etiquette. Okay, okay, right,

1061
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: so we're not specifying, right.

1062
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: It could be home, it could be at the in laws,

1063
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: it could be you know, you're in the middle of

1064
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: the street in Chicago and you need to is it

1065
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 3: a Barnes and Noble situation? You know, maybe talk about

1066
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 3: what you do if you're on a college campus, and

1067
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: how to scope out the best bathroom.

1068
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: If people want to ask questions about it, I might

1069
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: have to go through and handpick the ones that I'm

1070
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: willing to answer. But you know this, no one else

1071
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: knows this. There isn't a week that goes by that

1072
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: I don't message you about a new bathroom etiquette observation.

1073
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: This is absolutely true. Yeah, So what I'm saying is

1074
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: you don't need to bring your own experiences to the table.

1075
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: Tie. Yeah, we have listeners who work in offices of

1076
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: all kinds. We could broaden it to office etiquette. We

1077
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: got a great one about fingernail clipping at the office cubicle,

1078
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: which I can elaborate on based on a previous role. Yeah,

1079
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: but yes we will.

1080
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: We will take any question that people have and Ty

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Speaker 3: will give you his expertise based on his own experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair to say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we can do that. Okay. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how he got on that tangent oh poop read right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, oh Bill, Yeah, read this book. I mean,

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Speaker 3: read it anywhere. Read it while you're traveling, read it

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Speaker 3: while you're on the beach, read it, you know, at

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Speaker 3: night before you go to sleep. But I'm just telling

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Speaker 3: you this is almost scientifically created and curated for your

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Speaker 3: thronell experience.

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Speaker 1: Bill's gonna love He's gonna love that ringing endorsement from.

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Speaker 3: If there's another printing, I'd be happy to blurb it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'd be happy to blow.

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Speaker 1: Well, we see the Amazon review under an anonymous name,

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Speaker 1: will know who it is.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Big thanks to Bill Connolly Again, don't forget to check

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Speaker 1: him out again. Espianation podcast ain't played nobody the fifty

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Speaker 1: best college football teams of all time. We will absolutely

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Speaker 1: put that link in our podcast description. We're off until

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday. We'll be back talk some more college football

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Speaker 1: with all y'all. Don't forget. You can email us at

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Speaker 1: saliverbo at gmail dot com, or find us on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: the meantime, tell your friends about the show, Subscribe at

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Speaker 1: iTunes dot com or wherever find podcasts are sold. For

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Speaker 1: that guy over there in beautiful New York City, Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: For myself here in good old Eastern PA. My name

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Speaker 1: is ty Hildebrandt. We will catch you all in a week.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, stay solid, hey,