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Speaker 1: R and B Money, Honey, than take Valoti. We are

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Speaker 1: the authorities on.

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Speaker 2: R and B.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank Valentine. This tell

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Speaker 3: them what it is is the R and B Money Podcast,

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Speaker 3: the authority.

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Speaker 4: Come on, say with your chest on all things R

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Speaker 4: and B.

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Speaker 3: But we got in here today. There are songs, and

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Speaker 3: then there are number one. There are hit songs, but

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Speaker 3: there's another level.

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Speaker 1: What then they're smash.

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Speaker 5: Song.

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Speaker 1: This is grenade, life changing, altering melody, lyric and composition.

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Speaker 1: I like that word that completely turns the world upside down.

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Speaker 2: Ricky Bobby said, if you're not first or last, and

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Speaker 2: my brother here, make sure.

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Speaker 3: That he's not last. My my mind fill it in

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Speaker 3: my books. So he is.

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Speaker 1: Led by the spirit of uh. Top of the chart.

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Speaker 3: And a man when sometimes you have to grow into

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Speaker 3: a space to where you you'll creep and and you'll

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Speaker 3: run and your pull and you'll grab at a space

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Speaker 3: at the height of whatever it is you are trying

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Speaker 3: to achieve. This man debuts at the mountain timee Uh.

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Speaker 1: How do like him?

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Speaker 5: I do, keeps doing it, keeps winning.

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Speaker 1: I want the formula and we don't get it. Get Wenna,

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Speaker 1: were still gonna stay on everybody. Oh, I'm feeling all

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Speaker 1: over the building. Man, listen, Man, listen.

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Speaker 4: Man, Man, Hey, that's an intro man god ship.

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Speaker 1: It rights itself. Man, Can I tell you maybe you

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Speaker 1: wrote it? It rights itself? Like yeah, like bro man,

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Speaker 1: this nigga bat record plant Man to start there. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm just the studio that everybody loved wanted to come

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Speaker 1: to l A and record that you wrote enough hits

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Speaker 1: to buy the building. But what I never even had

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Speaker 1: this go too. My name played on it, you know, Melaying,

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Speaker 1: I had that special order for you. Man, space, I

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Speaker 1: still take what val Why did we get to let's

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Speaker 1: get why did you do that? Why did you? Why

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Speaker 5: I you know, I bought it initially because something told

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Speaker 5: I feel that thing, something told me that one day

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be on a podcast, okay, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: get to talk about my life, and I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 5: about the things, amen that I've experienced, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: get to look at two brothers who I admire, who

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Speaker 5: I look up to. You know what I'm saying both

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Speaker 5: musically and executively, And I'm gonna say I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 5: the story of the record player.

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Speaker 1: That's why I bought it.

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Speaker 4: Was nothing for other than this moment, right you.

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Speaker 1: Man, Man, you are the man of valid All you

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Speaker 1: niggas get out of the game. And I'm sorry, it's

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Speaker 1: it's just incredible what you've done. Man.

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Speaker 3: And I think you know before we were roll and

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Speaker 3: I said, what you continue to do because that's the

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Speaker 3: hard to do. And you've just you've just figured it out.

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Speaker 3: And you know, songwriter, musician, singer, all of these things.

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Speaker 3: You get nothing but celebratory everything from us, Like we

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Speaker 3: understand what that is, right right on a whole nother level.

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Speaker 3: And I know people, I know some of our people

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Speaker 1: But it's not normal. Everybody don't make stadium music. No, No,

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Speaker 1: everybody don't make music that can be saying every night

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Speaker 1: people don't truly understand what that means. There's very few

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Speaker 1: that are just so unattainable. It's not promised that you've

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Speaker 1: You did. You know what I'm saying, And that's really

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Speaker 4: It means the world to me, man.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I think about the irony to what

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Speaker 5: A lot of times, these dreams and goals you have

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Speaker 5: And so when you when you show up to work hard,

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm gonna be, you know, on the NBA team.

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Speaker 5: And so you're then faced with a choice. Is it

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 5: Experiencing the Super Bowl twice and these number one records.

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Speaker 1: Get that in private. No, you're probably not. And that's

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Speaker 5: And it's like, man, I don't even really remember a

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Speaker 4: And I make people smile and enjoy themselves.

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Speaker 5: And then the result of that, you know, is these

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Speaker 3: That yeah, you said you want to be Michael Jackson, Man,

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Speaker 3: let's start, let's go back. Was there a curl at

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Speaker 1: We had a chip. But was it a Jerry rs.

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Speaker 4: There were several curls.

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Speaker 5: Oh, man, there were lots of curls, you guys, mess

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Speaker 5: duke all of them. See I'm of a certain age,

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Speaker 4: Can say, Duke, yeah, you know about the box just

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Speaker 5: It was crazy. Man. I have an older sister and

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Speaker 5: We had the different iterations of the jackets. To beat it, jackets,

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Speaker 5: you have to have it. Mom would sew them up,

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Speaker 5: made the gloves. Hold on, baby, your winestone fell off.

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Speaker 1: Baby.

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Speaker 4: We can't go out on state with your winestone on

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Speaker 1: Bait.

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Speaker 4: That's not a good look. It's not son. Sit down.

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Speaker 4: Let me put the rhyme stone back on.

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Speaker 5: Bring me that glue. Get the glue that's on the

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Speaker 4: Get the glue.

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Speaker 5: So it's the glue it's it's, it's it's I imagine

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Speaker 5: you know, it's similar to you know, kind of what

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Speaker 5: we have heard about the Jackson's. We werehearsed and we

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Speaker 1: Awards, singing gospel, y'all singing secular music. Though, we started

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Speaker 1: so I had to ask it's there. Yeah, it's on me. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Guys can see the backsline when you renew your worldly

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Speaker 4: This is the interpretation of it.

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Speaker 1: Level his levels of backsline, I know, you know all

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Speaker 1: of them, R and B money. My heathen friend said,

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Speaker 1: he know my heart. Well, we just called that being

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Speaker 1: my heart. Yeah, y'all called it back. He made me.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was the throwing at my side. He

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Speaker 3: Okay yo, yeah, yeah, off the heathen y'all killing, So

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and you know, it was the dream and

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Speaker 5: it's funny, man. My mom told me a story that

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Speaker 5: I forget. One of the shows that we had done.

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Speaker 1: And how old are you guys at the sign?

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Speaker 5: This is probably nine ten in eleven ish likely really young.

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Speaker 5: And she said, you know, I want my kids to

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Speaker 4: And so we stayed, you know, and I haven't forgiven

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Speaker 5: I haven't. I want her to.

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Speaker 4: I should say that, now, Mom, what could my life

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Mom?

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Speaker 1: Childhood is overrated? Is that what you want to say?

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Speaker 4: I mean, okay, yeah, there's all. We can get another

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Speaker 1: Give me a rcort now rich enough, you can have

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Speaker 5: I am grateful man to do like you said, what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good. He's good. That guys really could. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So it was like, you know, saying with my brother

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Speaker 4: We got to get backstage and meet somebody.

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Speaker 4: He was like, I'm gonna manage you guys. What's next.

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Speaker 5: At the time, my brother was going to go to

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Speaker 4: Whatever you hear you write over that, I'll come back.

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Speaker 5: I'll listen to it. We'll see if we got a song.

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Speaker 5: So that was my introduction into what I now know

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Speaker 4: Somebody throws you a beat, You write what you can

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Speaker 4: You know somebody likes it. So he leaves the room.

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Speaker 5: I write a whole song in thirty minutes, verse, chorus,

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Speaker 5: the whole deal. He comes back. He was all right, man,

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Speaker 5: And so I cut record that whole song. So that

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Speaker 5: for Steven Seagal's movie soundtracks. Okay, because who's not doing that,

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Speaker 1: And Sean was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, we

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Speaker 4: He's dim on, he's writing like, we got new energy, baby,

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Speaker 4: it feels good.

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Speaker 1: We got some stuff for you.

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Speaker 5: All right, keep him around.

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Speaker 4: I really like it.

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Speaker 5: I really like what you're doing. But then he was like,

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Speaker 5: Come on, you should be in La. Sean was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: How do we get you know, how we gonna get there?

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Speaker 4: So Steven Sagal is the guy that brought me.

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Speaker 1: Ain't no way, way a way was going to say,

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Speaker 1: No way. He I know it is about to be today.

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Speaker 5: So he kind of discovered us really and moved us

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Speaker 1: To write songs for him.

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Speaker 1: Steve cut out Steven with your movies, dog, I know

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Speaker 1: your karate real I know.

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Speaker 4: Say, be hating you hating yo, I don't know that,

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Speaker 4: I know karate man when I see it. Come on, man,

442
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 4: don't let the hype fool you.

443
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: Steve's a bad boy.

444
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 4: Don't get too close to the Germany Shepherd.

445
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 5: Come on, man, they'll get you.

446
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: They'll get you. All right, So how long are you

447
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: out here right with Stevens Man?

448
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: That particular, that particular legendary, beautiful, dream like run of

449
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 5: being taken care of by steven Sagall lasted six months.

450
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, Oh my life's about to hit you.

451
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeap, wait, way is over? No more checks? She was saying, ah, yeah,

452
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 4: you know, I'm doing some other things and you know,

453
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: it's been it's been great, guys. I appreciate everything.

454
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 5: Yes, And so I think at that point, you know,

455
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 5: is the first crossroads moment, and I would experience several

456
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 5: of those major life moments absolutely that said who do

457
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 5: you want to be? What do you really want out

458
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 5: of life? It's these big, you know, esoteric questions about

459
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 5: what do you really think is for you? Because at

460
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 5: the time, you know, the guys in the group were like, okay,

461
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 5: Stevens not taking care of us. No more, Let's go

462
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 5: back to Orlando, work our jobs that we have before,

463
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 5: save up, move out on our own. And I said, nigga,

464
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: we in La.

465
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: There's got to be a way for us to survive

466
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 4: out here. Man, I can't go back.

467
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm not.

468
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 5: This is where I've always wanted to be, man. And

469
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 5: we got kind of a layup, so we hear. So

470
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 5: it was that moment where one Sean moved back. I

471
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 5: convinced Kareem to stay.

472
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: And that was really a the beginning of me moving

473
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: into a space of action around belief.

474
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 5: H It's like, and it follows us in the studio,

475
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 5: It's like, no, but I believe that this is right,

476
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 5: So then we take action, you know, And and you know,

477
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 5: it's I try to tell my kids that, you know,

478
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 5: it's like you have that belief, and that belief prayerfully

479
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 5: confuel you to make a right decision even if it's hard.

480
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 5: But especially when it's hard is when you'll start to

481
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 5: see what you're made of and what you really want,

482
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: you know. And so I think at that moment, it

483
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 5: was like we moveing from Santa Monica to the valley.

484
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 5: We're gonna be in the valley.

485
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 4: Now we're gonna be in the valley where we can

486
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 4: you know, come on, we can afford it.

487
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm still in the valley, yeah, but a different parts.

488
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: It's you know that is. I'm sure you're in a

489
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: different part now, but a different part. I know it is.

490
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: But guys, it's the best probably of bud.

491
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: You know, it's dang. We can't just generalize it.

492
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: It might be it might might be in a heel,

493
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: that could be a view your loan pooloo. You know,

494
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: no community, the community for is different. No community. I

495
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: mean some of the community.

496
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 5: They can talk.

497
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: If I know your kids and they know my kids

498
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: and they come on yeah every other reason.

499
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 5: Uh so yeah, so we stay and you know, it

500
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 5: was in it was like, all right, I need to

501
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 5: be about the business of learning this business now there

502
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 5: is no safety net. So now I'm doing a telemarketing

503
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 5: job and I don't have a car, so I have

504
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 5: a bicycle.

505
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: Bike.

506
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: I kind of forgot we're telling this.

507
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 5: We did keep you in shape, and you know, you

508
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 5: you really understand and you really begin to get in touch.

509
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 5: And I'm sure y'all can relate to this with how

510
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 5: you know, with the level of which something means to

511
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 5: you by what you're willing to do for you know, relationship, career,

512
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 5: you know.

513
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: And and.

514
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 5: In the middle of summer, on that bicycle, it was

515
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 5: about an it was about an hour bike ride going

516
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 5: to that telemarketing job, sweating on the phones, coming back,

517
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Another hour more sweat, shower,

518
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: and then we had built a little studio in the apartment,

519
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: and then we'd just ride all night. Like I didn't

520
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 5: even think about the discomfort of the bike. You feel me,

521
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 5: It's like that wasn't even a thing. It was like, No,

522
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 5: it's how I got to get to work. When I

523
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 5: come back, it just is what it is because I'm

524
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 5: here for a purpose. I'm here for this mission. And

525
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 5: so Kareem and I are writing songs and and I remember, man,

526
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 5: I was like, man, I just got to get out

527
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 5: in the city. So I'm going around club, you know,

528
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 5: doing anything and everything I can to really get to

529
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: know La. And I remember walking into a publishing company

530
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 5: Leo Williams.

531
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: Man, well, we know low.

532
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: Mao, shout out Leo, man Yo, shout out. He was

533
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: about to give me my first opportunity.

534
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: Man.

535
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 4: I remember walking into his office and you know. I

536
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: didn't know nothing.

537
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 5: I'm just like, hey, man, you know Indiana, baby, you

538
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: know I want to I want to be a writer.

539
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 5: And he said, all right, I'll see you. I'll see you,

540
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 5: little nigga. Okay, here, see what you do with these?

541
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 5: And he handed me a CD. You remember y'all remember those?

542
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

543
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 5: You know you know I'm from the tape day right, yeah,

544
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 5: hey that I'm one hundred and fifty seven years old.

545
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: Boy, I'm looking the report.

546
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to the good skin.

547
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: Boy, I said, okay, cool, it had eight tracks on it.

548
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 5: I went back to the crib, wrote to all eight

549
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: tracks that night, went back to the office that next

550
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: day and said here.

551
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: And again.

552
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 5: I didn't have any comparison about what that was or

553
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: what that meant or what you know. It was just

554
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 5: this is what I feel like I need to be doing.

555
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 5: He said, you wrote to every one of those songs.

556
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, and here they are. And he was like, okay,

557
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 5: all right, yep, that you really want this? I was like, yeah, man,

558
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 5: I'm I'm putting everything on this. And so that kind

559
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 5: of began my relationship with my introduction into like the

560
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: professional business of music and starting to meet guys like

561
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 5: Leo and ultimately Aaron Bashuk, who was insistent at the

562
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 5: time that we met, you know, going to writers camps

563
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 5: and uh publishing mixers and you know, like really trying

564
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 5: to get a handle of you know, where do I

565
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 5: fit in here? Because at the same time, you know,

566
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 5: I really outside of writing, I moved out here to

567
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 5: be an artist, you know, to really you know, I

568
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 5: want to be tank.

569
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. The push ups I hadn't.

570
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 4: I couldn't commit, Man.

571
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: I didn't commit, But you committed to the song, right.

572
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: I did the song.

573
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: I just couldn't instant.

574
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: I started early, man, you did, I started early. Once

575
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: I started. You know, titties changed the game. I said,

576
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: titties changed the game. Changed the game changed the game.

577
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't just that should be a mixtape. It wasn't

578
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: just that's an album. Right, the guy with the titties

579
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: singing the song. You know what I'm saying.

580
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: You compile all of that, you know what, you know

581
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: what get out of there. So see, that's why I

582
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: got it.

583
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: I can't what I'm saying. That's when I with the

584
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: new young niggas, But they got the quotas. Okay, I

585
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: got one quarter z.

586
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 5: Uh, so you know what I mean. So it's like,

587
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 5: I wanted to be the artist. So I'm writing songs

588
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 5: for myself. I'm performing at at little spots around and

589
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 5: I call an old friend of mine who I kind

590
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 5: of grew up with, U, Larry Wade. You Larry's boss. Now,

591
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 5: back then, he was living in Indiana working corporate ouse.

592
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 5: When I was, I was making these rounds and everybody

593
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: was like, yo, man, you need a manager.

594
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 4: So I'm like, all right, I just happened to know

595
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: a really good one. I happened to know a good person.

596
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: Start there, Let's start there.

597
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 5: I happened to know somebody that I grew up with

598
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: that I could that I could trust. And I called

599
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 5: Larry up. I was like, Yo, I'm in l a man.

600
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: I'm making moves, baby, making moves. You're gonna want this client.

601
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: You don't know what that means yet, sir, you feel me.

602
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 5: It's like if you want to go to the job,

603
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: if you think you what I go to the job,

604
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 5: You're gonna want to take these goll.

605
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 4: So you know, So I called Larry and I'm like, Yo, Larry, Hey,

606
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: everybody saying I need a manager.

607
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: I thought of you.

608
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 4: He was like, what's a manager. I'm like, well, as

609
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 4: an artist, you have somebody that kind of.

610
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 5: Oversees your career. He was like, okay, cool, I bet

611
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: there's a book on that exactly what he said. I said,

612
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 5: I'm sure there is. He said, give me, sure there is.

613
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: He said, give me two months.

614
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: I'll call you.

615
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: Two months to the day. Larry calls. He said, I

616
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: got it. I figured it out.

617
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: I read the book.

618
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 5: I'm on my way straight up. I got it.

619
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: This is great, bro, this is great.

620
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: It's a wild story man. So he comes in his

621
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 4: Montero sport, Montero Sport.

622
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 5: So, now I got a road dog. Now I got

623
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 5: somebody in the trenches with me. Now I got somebody

624
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 5: that's moving out. Now someone's speaking for me. So when

625
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: I do my little shows and there's seven eight people,

626
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 5: we get seven eight numbers, seven eight emails. Everybody's feeling

627
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: out though you you you so that that that was

628
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 5: happening for months, and then one day I'm performing and

629
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: there's a dude, there's a brother in the back that

630
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 5: kind of looked important, who's like, looking like brother got

631
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 5: some money, and so he was back there and.

632
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 4: He was watching my show. He leaned over.

633
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: I heard this.

634
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 4: Lady leaned over to Larry and said, you know that

635
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 4: that nig of the star.

636
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 5: I like that kid.

637
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: He was like, look, I just got my artist signed and.

638
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 5: He wants female background singers, but I think he should

639
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: have a male background singer too. I don't know if

640
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 5: he's if your guys interested in anything like that, but

641
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: it could be an opportunity for him to be seen.

642
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 5: And you know, we got a label like it's legit.

643
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: This was Eli Davis. You know Eli Davis managers Anthony Hamilton.

644
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: So Anthony Hamilton was my first professional job, singing background

645
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: straight up on the Coming from Where I'm From album.

646
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

647
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 5: And here's what's crazy. It's crazy, is man, It's about

648
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 5: to be a four hour talking.

649
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: What you know?

650
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 5: Before I moved, I remember being in Orlando and watching

651
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 5: D'Angelo perform and Anthony was the background singer and it

652
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 5: was one of the most and I'm sure y'all know

653
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 5: this one of the most electrifying, inspiring, out of this

654
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 5: world shows I've ever seen DiAngelo. The energy of the

655
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 5: background singing, it was just like, Yo, what am I watching?

656
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 5: Peter Palatino on the like crazy talent on that stage.

657
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 5: So to then have an opportunity to perform now Anthony's

658
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 5: up front and I'm singing in the back.

659
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: Was wild And.

660
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 5: That was my kind of introduction into that side of

661
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: the game.

662
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: All right.

663
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: So now we're on tour and I got to see,

664
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 5: you know, firsthand, what it meant to be the front guy.

665
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 5: The responsibility, the commitment, the things that the front guy

666
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 5: can't do that the background singers can do, the time

667
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 5: that the background singers have that the person does not have.

668
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: And I started to evaluate this dream that I have

669
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: being the guy, thinking like, man.

670
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 5: That's a lot, Yeah, that's a lot yourself.

671
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: Straight up, most most are not honest with themselves no

672
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: matter what they can or can't sacrifice. Yes, right by

673
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: being in front, Yes, you know what I mean? Because

674
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: this is that it's a lot of time. It's very

675
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: time consuming. And then if you become big enough, now

676
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: you can't go places. Now you can't you know, just

677
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: be a regular person. And everybody the pivot, the pivot,

678
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: it turns into that to me where it's like, Okay,

679
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: this is because I don't want to do that and

680
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to do this every single day,

681
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: so maybe I could be adjacent right to it and

682
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: I can still feel it. I can you know what

683
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean? And I'm the king of the pivot. Absolutely

684
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: that nigga famous, right.

685
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 5: I just be there. I just I just be there,

686
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 5: absolute into the podcast and now oh he front and

687
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 5: center now and it was like, Jay, what do you think.

688
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: He's Yeah, but yeah, I get I get what you're saying. Man,

689
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: you that moment. I definitely had that moment. Yeah, definitely

690
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: had that moment.

691
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: I was on when I was singing with Genuine, and

692
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: I was primed to be a solo artist, but I

693
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: enjoyed that position so much. Yeah, he didn't want to quit,

694
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: want to quit. He's like, hell, you gotta be only

695
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: I said, I am mom man, I'm my own man

696
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: that sings backgrounds for Genuine.

697
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: It was like, no, you there, Like he was like,

698
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: trust me, bro, it's gonna be you one day and

699
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be crazy. I was like, I don't want

700
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: it to be. I just want to be with you, man,

701
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: don't put me in coach.

702
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: I come out sing my little leave background part and

703
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: go back and sing my backgrounds and hang out with him,

704
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: carried bags and buy silk shirts and oak Tree like

705
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 3: that was the life for me, you know what I'm saying,

706
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: And so like is your is you speaking of the pivot.

707
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: I didn't purposely pivot to just pivot to go be

708
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: a solo artist. I got kind of snatched in kind

709
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: of this is what you're gonna do it. If I

710
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: had it was an investment already. If I had chosen,

711
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 3: I was staying with genuine and live.

712
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: I'm going north. Wow, it's good.

713
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: It was good. I love that life straight up. Absolutely.

714
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: Genuine had to be everywhere early in the morning, early

715
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: and often good luck, young fella, let me know it

716
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: sound checked. Yep, it was a six pm good luck, Yes, sir,

717
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: he's been up since six am and then got to

718
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: come on stage and beat the guy.

719
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

720
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you're right in people don't understand that.

721
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 5: People don't really know that the sacrifices of the commitment

722
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 5: it takes, man, And you know, I not only saw

723
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 5: with Anthony, of course, but I saw with Bruno, you know,

724
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 5: and a lot of.

725
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: That at the end of that. Okay, you go from

726
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: Anthony and then.

727
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 4: So from Anthony.

728
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: While I was with Anthony, I really began to take

729
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 5: songwriting more seriously.

730
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: And so.

731
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 5: The pull of that started to become started to outweigh

732
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 5: the excitement of being on tour, the excitement of being

733
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 5: about you know, because that was his first album and

734
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 5: everybody was talking about him, and it was there was

735
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 5: a lot of glow around that, you know, and I

736
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 5: learned a lot from him as an artist, and like

737
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 5: how he performed and how he approached it and the

738
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 5: energy was you know, it was really a special moment

739
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 5: in music. I think that time, you know with uh

740
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 5: wuldn't call it necessarily nil soul, but that era music was,

741
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 5: you know, especially when we got to do Chappelle Show.

742
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 5: A Chappelle Show was on two years. Man, I got

743
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: to be on a Chappelle Show. We did a little

744
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 5: John episode.

745
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

746
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: It's way I had a sweater on college back and

747
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: watching that.

748
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 5: You know, I got all the I got all of

749
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 5: the you know, you know what, I shouldn't say that

750
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 5: I have DVDs whatever. Man, I still got DVDs because

751
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 5: something box that because sometime the Wi Fi be tripping and.

752
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: I still got the Blu Raider give Me Come moment

753
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: or whatever. Whatever.

754
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 5: Quality ain't changed. It has not quality still there. It's

755
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 5: like vinyl, except when you're watching the MAC. I'll be watching,

756
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 5: you know, I'll be watching exploitation movies too.

757
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: Man.

758
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got every black movie you got, whatever you name,

759
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 5: I got it at my house.

760
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 4: I really yeah, I'm with you.

761
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: Meant nothing but a job. Turkey, Me and Big Shot

762
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: A text had of security all he watches word blaxploitation

763
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: all day long, walking.

764
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 4: Best dialogue in history, best dialogue in cinema.

765
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: Comic book.

766
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: For the stop.

767
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: Have you placed anything yet?

768
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 4: Nothing? And here's what's interesting. And I learned the game

769
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 4: from this a part of the game.

770
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 5: I was working on Anthony's second album, and you know,

771
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of people were, and he's

772
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 5: the main writer, he writes most of his stuff.

773
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 4: But I had written the song with him that seemed

774
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 4: like it.

775
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 5: It was gonna make it, boy, And I was like, man,

776
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 5: this is it because the language and the word of placement.

777
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 5: Everybody's throwing this placement word around like what is that?

778
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 5: And then people say, hey, man, you might have.

779
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: A place.

780
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 5: That's man, I don't know if y'all knew this much.

781
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 5: That replacement now that school I'll get the coffee next week,

782
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 5: back to replacement after the placement.

783
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: And so and then when.

784
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 5: When when I discovered and I kind of learned a

785
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 5: little bit later he also was a songwriter and had

786
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 5: commitments on his own of course, and deals to VR.

787
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 5: He had his own situation, and I didn't understand that

788
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 5: part of the game at the time.

789
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean my song? But

790
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: everybody loves this song, everybody.

791
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 4: I've told the world. I've told everyone in Indiana for sure,

792
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 4: sure they know.

793
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: They expected replacement.

794
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: I called Jermaine Jackson. I said, Jermaine, you don't know,

795
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: you don't bro.

796
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Jermain was not in Indiana anymore, but he knew.

797
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 4: He saw that area. Codey said, A they found me.

798
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: I better pick up. I better pick up the placement.

799
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 5: Don't have it, the placement doesn't happen. But I understand

800
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 5: the game, and I understand what that means, and so

801
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 5: you know, there's no hard feelings at all.

802
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 4: But I realized, though, Okay, I need to be on

803
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 4: my own.

804
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 5: If I'm really going to give time to do this,

805
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 5: if I'm really going to commit to this, I need

806
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 5: to figure this out outside of the construct of someone

807
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 5: else's dream. And that was a hard time period because

808
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 5: I left no money saved.

809
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: We know you ain't got no money.

810
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: There's no money.

811
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: I knew that was about to have it because you've

812
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: been on the road and you've been buying shoes and

813
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: didn't hang it out.

814
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

815
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: True.

816
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 5: Religion was oh yeah, you was tweaking, was super tweaking

817
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 5: and on the road and you know, casinos happened.

818
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah because R and B be in the casino.

819
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 4: Oh man, m yeah, oh yeah, come on, Luxy.

820
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 1: The boat the boat in Uh, I think it's both.

821
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: It's both both. Wow. Yeah, R and B. Yeah, I

822
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: see that.

823
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 5: So no money you broke, so no money, you know,

824
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 5: nothing saved. So I'm moving around trying to figure it

825
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 5: out doing mixers. Meet Aaron bay Shuck the base Shock,

826
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 5: the bay Shuckster, uh, and he's like, man, you gotta vibe.

827
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: You know, I like what you're doing. Once you come

828
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 4: to my office and and let's talk.

829
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: Had the office back then? Were hearing somebody office. He's

830
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: the nigga. Now that nigga had an office back then, though,

831
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: what It's true?

832
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 5: And Aaron, I love you know, I love you dog.

833
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 5: We know we talk about this. He did not have it,

834
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 5: but Mike had an office.

835
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: Okay there off the office.

836
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 5: So we're in Mike's office and Aaron's like, yeah, come

837
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 5: to my office. You know what I'm saying, I have

838
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 5: a seat. That's that's that's that's that good letter. I

839
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: don't know if you have sat on one of those

840
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 5: young men. So I'm in there.

841
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: Wow, you know. And so Aaron uh gives me tracks

842
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 4: as well.

843
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 5: I write to the tracks, and he kind of tells

844
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 5: me which artists are looking you know, they're super hip

845
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 5: hip hop heavy back then, so they were looking for

846
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: trick Daddy, I think, replies.

847
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: All the APA everything coming through the APG system. Yeah. Yeah,

848
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: So I'm writing just for whatever.

849
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 5: I've never you know, not any tutelage around what I

850
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 5: should be writing, how I should be writing. So he

851
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 5: was like, all right, man, you've got great ideas, but

852
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 5: you're putting all your ideas in every song. He's that,

853
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 5: I need to show you how we write for radio.

854
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 5: So now I'm getting another piece of the game. He said,

855
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 5: You've got to find a way to write a hook.

856
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 6: He said, you know you're saying, uh, you know, just

857
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 6: beat it, just beat it, beat it, beat it just

858
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 6: be Yeah, people, beat it, beat it, beat it.

859
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: No, you ain't gonna forget what you're not going to be.

860
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: Not forget it.

861
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 4: Run that into the ground. Let everybody know that. That's

862
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 4: the point of that song.

863
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, and it was. I remember

864
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: going back and listening to my record. I was like, man,

865
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 5: I ain't got no hooks.

866
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: Over writing just verse. I gotta tell this story. I

867
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: gotta tell this story. Where'd you get to the break? Movies?

868
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: You get three many movies? You nothing, nothing when you

869
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: have part three? I not knowing, not knowing that the

870
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: nigga in the office is never getting not having just

871
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: ship Ah, where are you from? From Indiana? Back Indiana? Man?

872
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: But that's how Bobby Knight.

873
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is how it goes. That is how something

874
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: has to hook you.

875
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 4: Yes early, yes early.

876
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: And so.

877
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 5: I started to refine that, you know, maybe a year

878
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 5: or so of that process, and then I get my

879
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 5: first placement.

880
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, all right, okay, we on Fries.

881
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 4: Now it's important. You know what I'm saying. I called Jamaine.

882
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 4: He ain't answer.

883
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, you know, he don't know. Jermaine, need

884
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: to go ahead. I'm not a nigga, you know, Jamake

885
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah.

886
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 5: And so I get my first placement and it's on

887
00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 5: It's on an artist by the name Applies Glare.

888
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's song.

889
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 5: You know what I'm talking about?

890
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: I know I know what he is. I'm talking about

891
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: with that thing year right there? Y you know what

892
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean?

893
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: I feel Hey, what up for? You know what I'm

894
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 4: talking about?

895
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: And so.

896
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 5: Tank, this is this is the point in the show

897
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 5: where I share with you that you and I no

898
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 5: way have worked together.

899
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: No way, and we didn't know it. No, ain't no

900
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: way forgot it, ain't no way money I've been housing

901
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: it's you and passed me and fucking possible. That's the record.

902
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: I ain't no. We were trying to figure out.

903
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 3: No, y'all haven't been trying. We have all my mom

904
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: we have to day nigga trying to figure it out.

905
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 3: Shut the hell up, y'all.

906
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: Ain't no, no, no, no, and not you.

907
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: I've been I wanted to know who the nigga was

908
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: because exclusive because because here's here's the problem. I go

909
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: into the studio. Oh, this is amazing. Applies is like, man,

910
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: I need you on this. I need you on the record. Man,

911
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: you gotta get on this record. I said, man, I

912
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: got you. I've been doing Implies forever. His uh, his

913
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: brother and all him used to do clubs out in Tampa,

914
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: so I used to I used to be out there

915
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: singing and performing in their clubs before he was doing

916
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 3: any of this. He's like, man, telling me, I'm about

917
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: to go I got a record with Tea Pain. It's

918
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 3: about to go crazy. I was like that, said, bro,

919
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: you're my brother. I got you whatever you need. I

920
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: walk in the studio and they're like, this is the

921
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: recoplies want you on and they played it. I don't

922
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: quick thing in now, don't but the man ain't on.

923
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: Your Dad said, oh my god, this will ruin me.

924
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 3: I said, you got something else? You got anything else,

925
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: for the love of God, right, And they were like, no,

926
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: this is the one.

927
00:52:59,080 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: This is the one.

928
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: I said, Oh my God, said my grandmama gonna kill me.

929
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: I said, but I promised Plies I would rock, so

930
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm a rock listen. I put I put all my

931
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: religion aside, put it all, and I said, I'm gonna

932
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: sing this song for plies and I and I do

933
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: this for plies because that's my brother. And then the

934
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: song comes out and I don't hear me, but it

935
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: says featuring I said, this nigga, that man, yo, this

936
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 3: is Candy Lasna always gonna be.

937
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: It says featuring me. But it's a nothing nigga sing

938
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: and I said, that ain't me. So the whole time,

939
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm a little I'm upset about that because they have

940
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: messed it up. I said, those aren't my vocals. It's like,

941
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: it's not a sa no, those are the original vocals

942
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: from whoever the dude is.

943
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 3: So I'm upset. Whatever time goes on. I go to Miami,

944
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 3: Florida to host the club and they're like, you know,

945
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 3: do two three songs? Like cool, I'm doing my songs.

946
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 3: I do my songs.

947
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: I do my hit song. May I deserve you know

948
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm cooking. I think I do. Please

949
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: don't go on. The crowd is going crazy, right and

950
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: the DJ is like and it's like y'all making y'all

951
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: make some noise from Tank that's my boy right there,

952
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: and that nigga called out.

953
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: He said, but look at it. I can't let you

954
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: get away without doing this one right here. When he

955
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 3: first starts playing it and I'm like, but the crowd

956
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 3: is like, Yeah, that's the one I'm gonna do. Yeah,

957
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: let's go on this going. That song made it to

958
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 3: the set. Yep, Bro, I had no idea what the

959
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 3: song was doing in the streets. I had no it's

960
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: his biggest song in the barrier, no big vine. Well

961
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 3: what he dropping? I had lies featuring.

962
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: I had walked away from that moment from that song.

963
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: Is that you singing? That's that's my voice. It's him

964
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: this nigga, nigga, you have to be kidding me. And

965
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: we prayed we did this episode, so we prayed before

966
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: we did this episode. We prayed together.

967
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: Brother, we got to the rut you and the family,

968
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 4: and now you're gonna tell us that that's you on you.

969
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: Boy, That is the crazy thing I heard on this

970
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: podcast since I've been doing podcasts.

971
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 5: This is great because here's what's crazy. I knew that

972
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 5: you were going to be featured on the record. I'm like, oh, yeah,

973
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 5: I Tank man, I'm a huge step. The song comes

974
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 5: out and I said, no, I know text voice, but

975
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 5: I know mine even more.

976
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 4: That's my voice as on Tanks record.

977
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,479
Speaker 1: You have been haunting me for years, Bro.

978
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: I said, must have he must have just really sounded

979
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 4: like me, like he just wove his voice in there.

980
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: Was like, it's not thankful engineer mixed up the vocals.

981
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: Is that what happened? I get.

982
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 5: That's what I'm going like you, That's what I'm gonna

983
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 5: go with, Pete. That's why I would go with all

984
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 5: of the truth.

985
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: It's a big record for me. Thank you.

986
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 5: This is great.

987
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 4: It's some hood chick yo down south right now watching this.

988
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: That's yo.

989
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 5: She's like, wait, what's not the quarters hip, dude, nigga,

990
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 5: nothing quarters not the quarters hit?

991
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: Oh man? I had and that I could first place.

992
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: That was my absolute first whatever.

993
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: Yo.

994
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait.

995
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 5: I couldn't wait.

996
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not even gonna hold this. For

997
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: years I've been holding it.

998
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: I was like, man, one day it's gonna be this

999
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 4: thing called podcast.

1000
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 5: It's gonna it's gonna sweep, gonna see it coming. Y'all

1001
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 5: ain't even gonna know, and we're gonna we're gonna let

1002
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 5: the world. We're gonna give it to the world.

1003
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: You really messed this up with this one. Bro.

1004
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 5: No, I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not gonna hold

1005
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 5: you bro, this that is nigga. I forgot what I

1006
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 5: was No, Wow, that is incredible. We've been looking for you, man.

1007
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: We didn't know if we was gonna whoop you nigga.

1008
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: Not either, because that's the other part about it. It's like,

1009
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: I think we gotta put hands on the nigga. Actually,

1010
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: because I felt like it wasn't the nigga.

1011
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 5: They did it. I said, oh man, congratulations, you ain't

1012
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 5: gonna change these vocals.

1013
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: Now.

1014
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 4: I don't care what nobody say.

1015
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 5: You hear me. We have we haven't understanding.

1016
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: You have worked together. Yea. There, I'm part of the magic.

1017
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 4: Come on, baby, this is correct. Okay, So first place people,

1018
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 4: that's your first place.

1019
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 5: I too was surprised at how big he got, like

1020
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 5: Streets did it? Streets did it? Yeah, first placement me

1021
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: and Tank. So then I'm in the Atlantic system.

1022
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: And so.

1023
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 4: It was around that time that I get a phone

1024
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: call from my good friend Keith Harris. My god shout out,

1025
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 4: Keith Harris, one.

1026
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 5: Of the rates inside and out break human being, calls

1027
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 5: me up. I've been doing some sessions with him and

1028
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 5: he called me up. He was like, Yo, man, I

1029
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 5: got this kid who's crazy talented. He signed a universal,

1030
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 5: but I think they're gonna drop him because they don't

1031
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 5: really know what to do with him.

1032
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: Man.

1033
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 5: But he's dope, But I think he just needs somebody

1034
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 5: in the room to kind of help him get his

1035
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 5: ideas out.

1036
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 4: I thought of you. I was like, all right, man,

1037
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

1038
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 5: To the time. I'm living in West LA, the studios

1039
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 5: in North Hollywood. I had no car gang in La.

1040
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: No car. So you didn't get your car.

1041
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 4: So I didn't have a car. You you, you didn't

1042
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 4: get me a car.

1043
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 5: Thanks.

1044
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 4: Thanks, Maybe if you worked the record.

1045
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: You got me a car.

1046
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: It's sad feature in thank.

1047
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 5: You.

1048
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 7: See, it's the game up, man, The game's fucked up.

1049
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 7: The club money worked, all right, I gotta work that circuit.

1050
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 5: So I'm in La, you know, kind of after the

1051
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 5: Anthony Hamilton thing and working no car. I'm taking the

1052
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 5: bus everywhere, so I'm back to sort of like that

1053
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 5: bicycle thing, you know. And I look back on it

1054
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 5: in hindsight, man, it was like I was happy on

1055
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 5: the bus.

1056
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, consider none of that.

1057
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: You're just trying to get too it on you. However,

1058
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 3: you got to get mold of transportation. It's the power

1059
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: and I'll be honest, it's exciting. It's an adventure on

1060
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. It is an adventure.

1061
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 4: So I had no money. Keith was like, come to

1062
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 4: the studio. Uh, you got to beat this kid.

1063
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, man is he because everybody

1064
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 5: says somebody they got somebody down, the next one, the

1065
01:00:59,600 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 5: next one.

1066
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, man, you sure he's dope.

1067
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 4: He's really dope.

1068
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 5: And he was like, man, yeah, He's like, Look, whatever

1069
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 5: costs you to get here, I'll pay you back. I

1070
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 5: was like, okay, it's gonna be a five dollar bus pass,

1071
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna need that five. I mean, I'm gonna

1072
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 5: need that five. He said, okay, cool, I got you.

1073
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 5: So I bought a all day bus pass. Took me

1074
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 5: two and a half hours to get there because on

1075
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 5: the bus certain areas you gotta go downtown first, then

1076
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 5: get on the train, come out of the train, get

1077
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 5: on another bus, and then you got to go on

1078
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 5: another bus to get to the valley. So it's you

1079
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 5: got to you gotta really want to go where you're going.

1080
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: It's called flight straight out.

1081
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 5: This layover all that skateboards m but I get there,

1082
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 5: I show up, open the door and it's Bruno and

1083
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 5: I can safely say that's the best five dollars I've

1084
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 5: ever spent, you go, hymn final at least that at Lisa,

1085
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 5: A cool, clean five And it was there, and that

1086
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 5: was the beginning of, you know, this eighteen almost twenty

1087
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 5: year relationship, man of creating with what who I believe

1088
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 5: is one of the most gifted artists I've ever worked with,

1089
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 5: you know, just from the standpoint of talent, vision, execution,

1090
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 5: commitment to the craft, commitment to the song and.

1091
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: A fellow child star and a fellow child.

1092
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 4: Star come on, man, you know his parents said no, no, no,

1093
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 4: go here, I'm gonna do that.

1094
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: You know.

1095
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 5: And so that session was the first time that either

1096
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 5: of us had written, recorded, produced a song in one night,

1097
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 5: and so we were just like, oh snap, and there

1098
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 5: was like no weed, you know what I mean, There

1099
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 5: was no like ancillary distractions, just us in their vibe

1100
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 5: and laughing. And I'm watching him go from the piano

1101
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 5: to the bass and I'm like, yo, who is this

1102
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 5: kid bouncing around doing everything? And Keith, you know, he

1103
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 5: does the same thing, and I'm just like wow, and

1104
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 5: we wrote, you know, we wrote this song. It's funny

1105
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 5: that song actually get enough place in years later on

1106
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 5: two of the two of the Backstreet Boys, Nick Thing.

1107
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 5: It was on Nick and Knight the album Nick was it?

1108
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 5: Nick Carter and Jordan Knight?

1109
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: Jordan Knight?

1110
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 5: Yeah? So yeah, man, so that that kind of began

1111
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 5: this this journey of I met somebody that saw life

1112
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 5: and approach to music a similar way.

1113
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. And was he so? He?

1114
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 5: And he wasn't signed to Atlantic yet? No, no, no, no,

1115
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 5: this is like two thousand. I think this is so

1116
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 5: And we didn't get signed till twenty ten.

1117
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: So does the feature come before that? What's that?

1118
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 5: The uh, there's nothing on you?

1119
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1120
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 4: I think we got signed two thousand and nine, late

1121
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine.

1122
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: Those two come first before the deal got you got

1123
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: you remember that's when he used to be at the

1124
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: studio of the Stereotypes.

1125
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's right.

1126
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that was that time period where we were

1127
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 5: just bouncing around trying to figure it out, you know

1128
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 5: what I mean.

1129
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: And he had a car so that was great. Oh

1130
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: he had he actually had a car, a friend with

1131
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: a car. That was nice. Yeah, you don't pick me

1132
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: out up because some niggas gott to date that funny

1133
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: looking girl that got the car. Man, is that you

1134
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: know what it is? Jay? It wasn't me though, No, no,

1135
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: defin wasn't me. But I know those guys I'm seeing

1136
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: it get around. Oh no, she just dropped me off.

1137
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: Now you know that's your girlfriend. They laughing like this

1138
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: because they know exactly what I'm talking about.

1139
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 5: She just dropping me off? Is crazy?

1140
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: Why why? He said? That's so cruel.

1141
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 5: That's crue that it's cruel.

1142
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: We got to survive out here, Miamian is necessary. We

1143
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: didn't have only fans. We gotta move it around.

1144
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 5: You know that you money don't.

1145
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: Last forever that you money don't last. We got to

1146
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: move it around. You gotta move it around. Oh, she's

1147
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: just you should give Oh no, that's my cousin.

1148
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 4: Oh man.

1149
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 3: So now you're getting into a space where you're getting

1150
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 3: ready to get you're getting ready to get to eight record.

1151
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: You're getting ready to get too at least one. But

1152
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: he said they writing for what four years up until this? Yeah?

1153
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 5: Still, so we're still So it's like so we meet

1154
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 5: and then it was a great session. So like he

1155
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 5: would have a session he would call me up and say, man,

1156
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 5: I got a session with X Y and Z wants

1157
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 5: you to come through vice versa. So we just started

1158
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 5: working together. And initially, because he was so talented and

1159
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 5: so unique, it seemed to make sense at the time

1160
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 5: to just focus on him being an artist. Think we

1161
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 5: got to get you a deal. You know, let's like

1162
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 5: we can do this. Let's write a couple of records,

1163
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 5: and I think we'll be off to the races. So

1164
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 5: we write a couple of songs. I can honestly say

1165
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 5: they weren't that good at this point. Then we start

1166
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 5: going from label to label. I had met some people,

1167
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 5: you know, he had met some people. So we're going

1168
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 5: through these label meetings just like.

1169
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 4: Man, this is we about to do this?

1170
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: This is it? No, no, not good enough.

1171
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 4: I don't understand it.

1172
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what are you a group or not?

1173
01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 4: Who's the lead singer?

1174
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 5: All of these on Its unexpected, this unexpected, hurtful feedback

1175
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 5: that was just saying, damn are we are we drinking

1176
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 5: on on kool aid? Here are we kidding ourselves that

1177
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 5: this is something that's possible. So door slamming after doors

1178
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 5: slamming after door slamming, there came a time where it

1179
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, maybe we should try something else. And

1180
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 5: around that time, you know, and our manager at the

1181
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 5: time could had brought it to our attention. You know,

1182
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 5: Neo got signed through writing song t pain through writing songs.

1183
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 5: I don't know if the dream was out yet. I

1184
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 5: don't know if that had happened yet, but those two

1185
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 5: were the ones that were just like, oh man, you

1186
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 5: might be get a record deal through writing a hit

1187
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 5: record for somebody else.

1188
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 4: That was kind of a formula.

1189
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 5: So we begrudgingly put the artist thing on hold and said,

1190
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 5: all right, man, then let's focus on being writers. Let's

1191
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 5: see if we can be great writers and see what happens.

1192
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 5: So that's where that kind of schooling came from. At

1193
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 5: that time where we were bouncing from producer to producer,

1194
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,520
Speaker 5: working with all the Doctor Luke's, The Soul Shocking Carling's,

1195
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 5: we did the Underdogs. You know what I'm saying, had

1196
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 5: an uncomfortable moment one time with the underdogs. You know,

1197
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 5: when you don't you know, when you're trying to make

1198
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 5: it and you know you're around people that haven't made it,

1199
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 5: You're not always at your most comfortable, at least I wasn't.

1200
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 5: So we're at the Edmunds Building. I've never told this story,

1201
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 5: me and Bruto laughing about this story.

1202
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 4: It's a really short story. But I see Damon.

1203
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 5: You know, Harvey was somewhere else with Damon's walking by

1204
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 5: and he had a straight outfit on him.

1205
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,879
Speaker 4: It was almost like, I don't.

1206
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 5: Know, it was just a full thing.

1207
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1208
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 5: I think of what because I remember there was leather patches.

1209
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 5: I was like, everything custom tight. I was like, I

1210
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 5: ain't never seen nothing like that.

1211
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 1: What is that?

1212
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 5: So he's walking up and me and Bruto just standing

1213
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 5: there waiting to be called to go into a room,

1214
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 5: and he's walking by, and.

1215
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 4: I was like, man, just say something, this nag, just

1216
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 4: say something. This name, no nigga, don't say now you.

1217
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 5: Don't know, you know, but just say something.

1218
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, you're rocking that fit, homie ship

1219
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 4: and Brutal looked at me, like.

1220
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: Rocking that fit. I was like, I don't know, man.

1221
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 5: He was just like, I appreciate that.

1222
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate your little nigga that I don't use.

1223
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 5: You Quit looking at me.

1224
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: You'll never afford this. Look at you. Now, come on,

1225
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: I see this. You're not have that. I see that.

1226
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 4: I wrote them.

1227
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: Then damon, damon, I got the fit. I got the fit. Now,

1228
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: oh ship the leathers don't look good. I like it.

1229
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, that's so I take getting no

1230
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 1: records over there. We don't get no records.

1231
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 5: There's sending them out immediately, and so we bounce it

1232
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 5: around and kind of you know. I think another one

1233
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 5: of these sort of turning point moments was we were

1234
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 5: writing to these beats and the producers just say, you know,

1235
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 5: right to this beat, and we were hearing other things

1236
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 5: that I'm sure you can imagine because you play, I

1237
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 5: think the beat section should go here, I think the

1238
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 5: chorus should come back to and you know, the vast

1239
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 5: majority of the producers were like, no, Na, just right

1240
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 5: to that beat. That's the song, and you know, make

1241
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 5: that work. So we weren't getting any placements that way.

1242
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 5: So we kind of looked at each other and I

1243
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 5: was like, yo, I don't think this bouncing around from

1244
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:17,839
Speaker 5: producer producer is the way you pay. You play every instrument,

1245
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 5: you know, I do what I do. I think we

1246
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 5: could do this on our own. And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1247
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 5: I think yeah, I think you're right. He said, where

1248
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 5: are we going to do it? And I was like,

1249
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 5: I know, we don't have a studio, and I don't

1250
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 5: think the hundred dollars is gonna let us back in.

1251
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 5: You remember that, because I said, the whole fit thing,

1252
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 5: you should leave that alone.

1253
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: And so about two weeks about two weeks before.

1254
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 5: Then, I met this kid, Ari Levine Josh and I

1255
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 5: had heard some of his beats and his beats were crazy.

1256
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 5: Larry actually had found him for me, and I was

1257
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 5: writing some beat fast forward weeks later, I said, you

1258
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 5: know what, man, we do need to go on our own.

1259
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 5: And I met a kid that has a studio and

1260
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 5: he's a producer. It was Hollywood, yeah, right, like sunset,

1261
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 5: little brick buildings.

1262
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 4: That became our home base.

1263
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 5: And so I introduced Bruno to Ari and we meet

1264
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 5: Josh and the whole deal was if you let us

1265
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 5: write in here, we can write together, you know, like.

1266
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: We'll figure out.

1267
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 5: Let's just figure this out, because you know, we were like,

1268
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 5: we ain't got no money to pray for studio time.

1269
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 4: Can we figure something out? And they were like absolutely.

1270
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 5: That then became the Smeethingtons, and that was when we

1271
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 5: kind of formed our little three part voltron and figured

1272
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 5: it out, you know. And what we didn't know at

1273
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 5: the time was Ari was and still is an incredible engineer.

1274
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 5: So we were able to start super talented, and so

1275
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 5: we could move at a pace you know what I mean,

1276
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 5: Like we could get records out. Yeah, man, And that

1277
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 5: that that decision changed our lives, you know, saying that

1278
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 5: we believed again that whole belief thing, and then taken action. Man,

1279
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 5: I believe we can do it, and then going out

1280
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 5: and doing it even when it's scary, even when it's uncomfortable.

1281
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 4: Even when you don't know, right, you know. That's like,

1282
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 4: that's that's the thing. It's like.

1283
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 5: Most of the great things that we experience in life

1284
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 5: are things we didn't know could happen. We didn't anticipate it,

1285
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 5: you know, like the things that we sometimes our vision

1286
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 5: can be limited by what we think it's going to be.

1287
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 5: But if you just take action, it may take you

1288
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 5: somewhere you never thought you could go.

1289
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: So have you signed a publishing deal or anything by

1290
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: this time? So this is I think me.

1291
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 5: I think I had just signed That's right. I had

1292
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 5: just signed a deal with rock Nation, Okay, through Jay Brown.

1293
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: M hmm. Okay more Champagne. Absolutely, come on, baby, you

1294
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: gotta get it up for Jay. Jay was you know

1295
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 1: I've known Jay Brown before rock Nation. But go ahead,

1296
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: you can finish. Oh wow, No, no, no, you do

1297
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: your thing because you know I'm gonna do mine. Yo.

1298
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: Do we know the Valentine? Okay? All right, all right?

1299
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: Oh Jay Brown, come on, Jay Breezy. Yes, sir, So

1300
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: you signed a Rock Nation sign, you got your publishing deal.

1301
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: You write a rocket and then we write a rocket.

1302
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: Those are good times because now they got to readegotiate.

1303
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: They gotta talk about the money. It's just all kinds

1304
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: of things. That's it's a different conversation. Yeah, and the

1305
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: introduction of you is different.

1306
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 5: Oh you know this is who wrote Yeah, right, all

1307
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 5: the doors are opening, All the doors are opening. I

1308
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 5: remember when we Bruno went to New York right shortly

1309
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:22,560
Speaker 5: after that to sit with j Z M M the

1310
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 5: other j and we're in the office and we're in

1311
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 5: the waiting area and you know, as was customary at

1312
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 5: rock Nation. Yeah, I'm gonna say it, Jay, I'm gonna

1313
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 5: say it. They had us waiting m one hour, it

1314
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 5: comes two three us.

1315
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Jay.

1316
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Okay, wasn't that long. I'm exaggerating.

1317
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 5: So we've been walking around the city all day, we're

1318
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 5: sitting in the front.

1319
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 4: And now we're lounging on the furniture with our feet up.

1320
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1321
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 5: He finally walks up the stairs. I had not met

1322
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 5: jay Z yet and he comes in and he's like, hey, hey, y'all.

1323
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: Ain't at home.

1324
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 4: What you're doing with your feed up on the furniture? Sorry,

1325
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 4: mister s se, Sorry misterss sorry, so sorry, misters.

1326
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: We were waiting.

1327
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 5: We got comfortable, so so sorry. I that was That

1328
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 5: was when I met That was when I met Jay. Cool,

1329
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 5: cool as a cucumber man.

1330
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: Great.

1331
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 5: They're great people. Every time I met Jay, and you know,

1332
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 5: it was a few times because you know, in this business,

1333
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 5: you always think they really remember me, you really you

1334
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 5: really know who I am? Is you really?

1335
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: Every time?

1336
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 5: Beyonce too, it's always he't.

1337
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: Bil thanks, p Hi Pee, I know her.

1338
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, your text are coming up green with this's okay,

1339
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 4: it's okay.

1340
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1341
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was it, man, that was the beginning.

1342
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 5: And so shortly after that, in one week, rewrite billionaire

1343
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 5: and nothing on you.

1344
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: Sheh.

1345
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 5: Somehow and there were many weeks before then. Obviously we

1346
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 5: did not write records like that, but we really began to.

1347
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 4: Kind of like because billionaire and why would you do that?

1348
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: And it's literally being part of the launch of two

1349
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 1: major careers.

1350
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right.

1351
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are both new artists to the world at

1352
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: that time.

1353
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1354
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 3: Right, Well, just to smash it. If they're finding a

1355
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 3: sound or or or defining a thing. It's like, early on,

1356
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 3: you guys just fucked up the box.

1357
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 5: There was no box to put you in, right, and

1358
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 5: you know, and it's like thinking about your earlier statement

1359
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 5: about you know, some of these things that have happened,

1360
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 5: you know, the way that we wrote songs and still

1361
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:18,440
Speaker 5: write songs because we were never trying to be producers,

1362
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 5: so we never had the beat phase where we knew

1363
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 5: how to make beats. It was all analog. It was

1364
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 5: all organic because it was all band style, so it

1365
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 5: was like somebody's got to get on the drums to

1366
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 5: do the beat, somebody's got to play the guitar to

1367
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 5: get the melts, nobody's got to keep so there was

1368
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 5: just this.

1369
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 4: Much longer process.

1370
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 5: But you know, looking back on it now, it was

1371
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 5: trend setting because nobody else was doing that throwback shit,

1372
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 5: and we was on some throwbacks, which is kind of,

1373
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 5: you know, been the calling card, trying to just pay

1374
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 5: homage to these people that we've been looking up to

1375
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 5: our whole lives, you know, And.

1376
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: So in.

1377
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 5: Making music like that, unknowingly we were creating a sound,

1378
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 5: right and we didn't know.

1379
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 4: It was just like this is just how we know

1380
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 4: how to do it.

1381
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 5: So writing those records, it wasn't you know, like you

1382
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 5: could hear the hit factor, but it was also like we,

1383
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 5: y'all might need to reproduce these because the live sounds

1384
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 5: and I don't know people are gonna it was right

1385
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 5: at the kind of height of ed M. I think

1386
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 5: people don't want to hear instruments, you know. People don't

1387
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 5: want to hear live instruments, you know, is what we

1388
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 5: were being told. And you know, we were like, no, like.

1389
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 4: We're putting our chips in on this.

1390
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 5: This is what we believe.

1391
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 4: If this doesn't work, we'll hang it up.

1392
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: You can always go back to Disney.

1393
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 4: Straight up to this day, I'm sure absolutely I've actually

1394
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 4: been back.

1395
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: We should talk about that too. Oh shit, yeah, did

1396
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: you buy a car yet? This are you don't tell me.

1397
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: Don't tell me you're still on the bus at this point.

1398
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: Don't tell you were still bust the five dollar pass

1399
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: at this point. But I noticed the music public. I'll

1400
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: just figure you up. And it's the early Uber days.

1401
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: He was Uber, the early Uber day.

1402
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,560
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I did have a car when I

1403
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 4: signed with Rock Nation.

1404
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: We got a car.

1405
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 4: I got a car. Three series BMW come on, come on, solid,

1406
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 4: come on yeah, dependable, Yeah.

1407
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, good on gass.

1408
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 5: You say slight FLEXI there's no play for the big

1409
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 5: one to say slight flegs.

1410
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: Series good three series three series is really what's crazy?

1411
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: A flex? Right now? Now that's a whip three. M

1412
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: three is a whip three is a thing. It's a thing. Thing.

1413
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was it, man. I remember like, oh

1414
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 4: my god, because you know, no credit.

1415
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 5: Oh the credit is bad at that point, you know

1416
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Just like in La trying to figure

1417
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 5: it out.

1418
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 4: When you're trying to figure it out, you just you

1419
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,759
Speaker 4: see how Blair thing goes the credit. First thing goes credit.

1420
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 5: But no, what I wanted to say on a personal note,

1421
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 5: because I have a daughter that I had left, you know,

1422
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 5: chasing this dream that was in Orlando, young daughter. And

1423
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,560
Speaker 5: when I first had her, the first few years of

1424
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 5: her life, I was working in Disney World, and so

1425
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 5: I was paying child support via a regular check. When

1426
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 5: I left to go out on my own, that check

1427
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 5: it kept it kept piling up, kept piling up, and

1428
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 5: kept piling up rears.

1429
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: They call it her they call it her rears. It

1430
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: was in the court systems.

1431
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 5: Yes, I was in the system, okay. And you know

1432
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 5: so when you have arrears like that, you can't leave

1433
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 5: the country, take asport a whole deal. So that check

1434
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 5: I was able to because my daughter's you know, mother,

1435
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 5: amazing human being, you know, like always made sure we

1436
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 5: stayed in touch with one another, always told her great

1437
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 5: things about me. And your dad is out chasing his

1438
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 5: dream and he's he's you know, he's doing all this,

1439
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:25,560
Speaker 5: is doing all this for you.

1440
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.

1441
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 5: It was such a beautiful thing to be able to

1442
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 5: write her. And you got to think about this too,

1443
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 5: like from riding the bus writing her thirty thousand dollars

1444
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 5: check to clean that out right, Thank you, we're good

1445
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 5: now send you as I have.

1446
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 8: It, Yes, sir, I think things are checked, things are

1447
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 8: coming up, and and thank you for hold me dad, Yeah,

1448
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 8: you know, and.

1449
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 4: It's like, man, you don't really.

1450
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 5: Understand oftentimes what these pursuits mean to those around you

1451
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:26,560
Speaker 5: and the impact of love and family, you know.

1452
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: And so.

1453
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 5: You know, I have learned, and you know, she and

1454
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 5: I have, you know, a great relationship. She's a chip

1455
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 5: off the old block. She's performing, singing and dancing. She

1456
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 5: might ultimately go to Broadway and do her things. She's

1457
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 5: a bad girl. I'll see you raving.

1458
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 4: You a bad girl.

1459
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 5: And you know, we talk about that time period. You know,

1460
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 5: for many years, I had a lot of guilt around leaving.

1461
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: You know, and.

1462
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 5: She didn't, you know, she was like, no, I knew

1463
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 5: what you were doing. Mom told me you were doing

1464
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 5: this and doing that. But and you never missed anything.

1465
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 5: Like when I turned sweet sixteen. We had this big

1466
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 5: sweet sixteen. When I did that, you showed up. Yeah,

1467
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 5: I was like right, And so, you know, it's looking

1468
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 5: back on it now, you know, it's like, man, it's

1469
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 5: beautiful when you've.

1470
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 4: You know, because there's a lot of healing work around that.

1471
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 5: You know, Oftentimes, when someone says, hey, what would you

1472
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 5: what advice would you give a young creative coming up

1473
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 5: in the game, I would say, go to therapy, get

1474
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 5: to know yourself, get to understand who you are while

1475
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 5: you're chasing this dream. You know, it's like, chase this dream,

1476
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 5: but don't forget to bring yourself with you, you know

1477
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 5: what I mean. So it's beautiful, man, it's beautiful to

1478
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 5: kind of like on this side of life. And I

1479
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 5: know we haven't gotten to this part of the story,

1480
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 5: but on this side.

1481
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: Of life to.

1482
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 4: Reflect on on these decisions that I made throughout my

1483
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 4: life and to know.

1484
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 5: Where the healing is right, you know what I mean,

1485
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 5: and what what it all meant, what it was all for.

1486
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: You know, incredible. Now your journey is incredibly as he said,

1487
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the work for it, bro Like. And

1488
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: and seeing you tell the story now obviously because as

1489
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: we're all in it, we all hear about each other.

1490
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: We may not know each other, but it's like, oh,

1491
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: you know such and such did that, And you start

1492
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: hearing these certain names, and you start hearing these people

1493
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: that especially people that have done great work. You know

1494
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, what you guys have done great work,

1495
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: bro Like, flat out, not even about the numbers of it,

1496
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 1: the actual work. I'm one of those guys. That I

1497
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: could care for. A record gets two spins if they

1498
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: play it for me and I feel something, I'm like,

1499
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: oh he cold, Yeah, maybe the things just didn't line

1500
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: up are for her. It didn't up for her that

1501
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 1: way it should have on that record, But that record

1502
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: and how they wrote that song and whoever did that? Like, Bro,

1503
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: when I hear grenade, I guess grenade for you? Come

1504
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: on with Dog that's and and y'all write songs that

1505
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: it's like I could have wrote that, but you didn't.

1506
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: And that's a special place, you know what I mean

1507
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: where you hear certain records, especially as songwriters, and you notice,

1508
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: got to know you've had this feeling like I could

1509
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: have wrote that, right, Yeah, that's when you know it's like, Okay,

1510
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: it's universal. That's universal universe because everybody feels like whatever

1511
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 1: your whatever, those lyrics are, whatever that melody is, whatever

1512
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: they can't get out of their head, right, everybody has

1513
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: a connection to that. And you guys have continually made

1514
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: those type of records bron like it's it's it's insane.

1515
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: I think kids tell the story too.

1516
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1517
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 3: Kids, kids, they're the they're the final icing on the cake. Yeah,

1518
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 3: because we as adults like, Okay, you get us. It's cool.

1519
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We're a little bit more

1520
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 3: like tuned into what it's supposed to be with full

1521
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 3: sounds like what it's supposed to feel like.

1522
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: We have more references. Kids are just in. They don't

1523
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: care what the mix sounds like. None of that.

1524
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 5: No, the first few years of my daughter's life, Daddy

1525
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 5: put on Bruno Mars, the first few years of her life,

1526
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 5: my daughter, it starts with Bruno Mars, gotta have it wow,

1527
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 5: and Michael Jackson of course.

1528
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: But think of it, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1529
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: think of what I'm saying. When it comes to the kids. Yeah,

1530
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: you get you.

1531
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 4: You tap into a frequency that can can can take

1532
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 4: that over.

1533
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: That's true. I remember envy that I don't have a frequency. Yeah,

1534
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: and we'll be right, grown ass songs. Yeah, that's what

1535
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: they wanted you on you. That means this just made sense.

1536
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 5: Help me, man, Help me, man, there's time help me

1537
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 5: with Come on me now that we we squashed our

1538
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

1539
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's one under the bridge

1540
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 1: brother the keys now universal, man, I want to go

1541
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 1: to Brazil. Man, No, real ship.

1542
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 5: I know we you know, we're gonna get to it.

1543
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 5: But this most recent song, or one of the most

1544
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 5: recent songs I wrote, is co wrote apt you know

1545
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 5: the whole bro I remember I had just kind of

1546
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,799
Speaker 5: like a demo version of it, and my two youngest

1547
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 5: were in the car.

1548
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 4: Two years ago, so like just think nine and tennis.

1549
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 5: I played the song. I have never seen these kids

1550
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 5: act this way on a song that they've never heard before.

1551
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 5: They were frozen, they said, And I'm pretty sure my

1552
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 5: daughter went like this, Daddy, can you.

1553
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: Play that again?

1554
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 4: I said, baby, holdo, why do you do that?

1555
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1556
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it was She.

1557
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 5: Said I need it on my iPad right now. I

1558
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:34,640
Speaker 5: said hey, and my son was like yeah, can you

1559
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 5: play that again? And we played that little demo like

1560
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 5: ten times, and I told Bru, I was like, Yo,

1561
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 5: we might have something here, but it's that frequency.

1562
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 4: There is a frequency to that, you know.

1563
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: But y'all have good yeah, yeah, yeah, I have such

1564
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: good energy, you know what I mean. Like I've only

1565
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 1: met him in passing, Yeah, but obviously I know you.

1566
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: And then I'm at his brother, you Shan Stockman, and

1567
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, these dudes just have great energy. And

1568
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: that's why these songs feel and sound like this ain't

1569
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: no mad niggas, right.

1570
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 5: Yo, that's real though, that's real, Bron been a manta

1571
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 5: have been so disappointed.

1572
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: What I would have been so disappointed, Bro, I'd be like, no, way,

1573
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: ain't real.

1574
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 4: Name now grenade, not some bush.

1575
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 1: I was there, you know what I mean?

1576
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 5: I had like you know, most of the verses or whatnot, like,

1577
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 5: but nah, like I ain't even with that ship no

1578
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 5: more man cat no.

1579
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 4: Like that ain't even like who I am.

1580
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: He turned into like a mad o mari. I don't know.

1581
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's like you know what I'm saying, Like yeah,

1582
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 5: like you know, brun don't like to see that kind

1583
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 5: of stuff. But I'm like, all right, man, I'll show

1584
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 5: up whatever the check. But that ain't me, you know

1585
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Like, next question, you gotta say dad homies.

1586
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 1: You gotta say dad homies straight up.

1587
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 2: Yo.

1588
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: I appreciate now, Bro. It's and it's so cool especially

1589
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: with obviously all of us have children, right, so being

1590
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: able to because I didn't realize that until I have

1591
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: my kids. Like what you can and can't play? Right?

1592
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: But you can and can't play, Bro, like you just

1593
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: can't play everything for kids. It's just not in my house,

1594
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't. You know, you gotta get a little older,

1595
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's like that you

1596
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 1: start as a parent, you start feeling like, okay, what

1597
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: can I Okay? This is it's a certain type of energy.

1598
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 1: It's just like you said, it's a frequency, it's an energy,

1599
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: it's a tempo. It's certain things that kind of go

1600
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: into your kids playlists and the records you can play

1601
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 1: for the family, right. Yeah, And that's why y'all be

1602
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: in Brazil and places I've probably never heard of, doing

1603
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: shows and dancing and singing. Yeah, I can't even pronounce

1604
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: that well.

1605
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 5: And you know what's what's wild about that is, you know,

1606
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 5: and especially Bruno, you know, he's such a student of

1607
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 5: music and you know, of trying to be authentic with

1608
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 5: tapping into a feeling, you know, like most of these

1609
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 5: songs are finished on a feeling and paying attention to

1610
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 5: the guitar and making sure the guitar is perfect, paying

1611
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 5: attention to the bass, the sound of the bass, the drums,

1612
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 5: you know, all of these really high level you know,

1613
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 5: and working with talented guys like d Mile and phone

1614
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 5: and growing.

1615
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 4: Shout out to all the all the host who we've

1616
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 4: been doing records with forever.

1617
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 5: You know, that kind of level of professionalism, and like,

1618
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 5: you know, you wouldn't think that that's now going to

1619
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 5: translate to a kid's song, you know what I mean?

1620
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 5: It almost likes you would you would kind of think like,

1621
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 5: oh man, y'all are thinking about this too much, Like

1622
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 5: that's that's going to be over people's heads.

1623
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: But I think it's a combination of like paying.

1624
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 5: Attention to detail at every level, you know, at the

1625
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 5: instrument level, the mixing level, the vocals, the sound, the

1626
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 5: they're there. You know, when you do this a long time,

1627
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 5: there is a frequency that you're trying to tap into

1628
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 5: or at least allowed to come through you. You know

1629
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, like, let me just give space enough

1630
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 5: to say, Okay, what is what is this telling me?

1631
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 1: That? You know?

1632
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 4: Somehow at times kids hear it and they like you know,

1633
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 4: respond to those.

1634
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: How many hot one hundred number ones do you have? Brother?

1635
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 4: Wow? With this most recent one that just came out

1636
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,839
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, that made.

1637
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: Nine good Lord, so one mode you're gonna have both

1638
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: hands And I'm gonna have.

1639
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 5: Hoigh number you know what, both hands both all them?

1640
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: How many grammys?

1641
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 4: Eight?

1642
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 1: Nine number ones? I know, I know if you have

1643
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,799
Speaker 1: eight Grammys, I know the nominations are out of control.

1644
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's over twenty nominations. There were twelve

1645
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 5: nominations before we want one. It was a lot of

1646
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 5: heartbreak along the way. Yeah, you know, but now you

1647
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 5: got eight, Now we got eight, and now you know

1648
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 5: we got the Grammys coming up.

1649
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 9: What do you put all your Grammys? Because yeah, you know,

1650
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 9: that is at place. That is at place that people go.

1651
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 9: You know a lot of people know about I put

1652
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 9: him in there. This place is all beauty. No one

1653
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 9: has ever seen it. Monty is there? He exeast.

1654
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 5: No, No, you will never go.

1655
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Well, I'll be talking too much ship anyway. Everybody never

1656
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: give me a Grammy. They don't want to give me

1657
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: do godam grammy?

1658
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 4: Oh mind, I don't get it.

1659
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Man certificates.

1660
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 4: Tank was hardware, hardware, man rocks.

1661
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 1: I can't walking into the party other night with a Grammy.

1662
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: I said, what do you do? Tank?

1663
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 3: They just don't know what it is. LE don't even

1664
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 3: understand what this thing is in my head. I don't

1665
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 3: even I don't know why I brought this.

1666
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what.

1667
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on.

1668
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 1: That's wild.

1669
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 5: I remember I took a meeting with David Foster and

1670
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 5: he was using one as a paperweight. Wow, you know what, David,

1671
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 5: You've got to have reverence, buddy.

1672
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Okay, it was just over there, just hold down paper.

1673
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 5: His twentieth.

1674
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you have twenty paperweight, he gets there. I

1675
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 3: get itweight if you've done it? Oh man, man, what is.

1676
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 1: What is the fuel.

1677
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 2: Like?

1678
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 3: Because again, consistency is a challenge, you know what I mean,

1679
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 3: and the and the desire to to either stay on

1680
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 3: a level or to eclipse that level push past that

1681
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 3: like something has to get you there.

1682
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:47,719
Speaker 5: M hmmm.

1683
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Because this is you know, this is many many years

1684
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: in the making. It's easy to get those number ones

1685
01:36:55,479 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 1: and be like cool, right you guys haven't said it?

1686
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 4: Cool?

1687
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 6: You?

1688
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 1: What's going on? Who y'all mad at? Yeah?

1689
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, I am.

1690
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 5: I have the great fortune of being able to work

1691
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 5: with an artist that wants to be great at everything

1692
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 5: and wants to treat music with such care and reverence

1693
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:43,759
Speaker 5: and you know, specialness.

1694
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: That it.

1695
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 4: It creates this this world of that's not good enough.

1696
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1697
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 5: It creates this environment where, you know, when you I

1698
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 5: remember we had that one week where we had done

1699
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 5: nothing on You and Billionaire, something was different.

1700
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 4: We have written a lot of songs, but something was

1701
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 4: different about those songs. We felt something different. Playing nothing

1702
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 4: on you was like, oh my god, what what is that?

1703
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:27,879
Speaker 4: When we tapped into something that became the barometer.

1704
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to always feel like it's.

1705
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 4: Gotta feel like it's gotta feel you.

1706
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:35,560
Speaker 5: I don't know what that is. It's gotta feel like that.

1707
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 5: It's gotta hit me like that. It's gotta be special

1708
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 5: like that because there's a lot of good. It's a

1709
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 5: lot of good, but there's very few in that space

1710
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 5: where it's like, oh, whoa, whoa, wait wait a minute,

1711
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 5: when is that?

1712
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 1: You know?

1713
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 5: And I think that is fun and exciting to find that,

1714
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 5: to chisel away at that. You know, we talk about

1715
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 5: it all the time. It's just like, the best thing

1716
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 5: you can do is show up. That's that's the only

1717
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 5: prerequisite for creativity in our camp, showing up.

1718
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: Show up.

1719
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 5: As if we show up enough, and especially with these

1720
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 5: guys you know that are collecond to none.

1721
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 4: I'm talking about Brody. You're telling that man since he

1722
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 4: was fourteen.

1723
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: Been that cold R D. Mile James.

1724
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 4: You know, like there's a.

1725
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 5: A collective energy around that that has been excellent in

1726
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 5: many different spaces, you know, So you can yeah, yeah,

1727
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:52,560
Speaker 5: you can feel it, and then you can feel it

1728
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 5: when it's not there. So it's just like you know,

1729
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 5: I think twenty four care Magic, it took us a

1730
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 5: year and a something to write.

1731
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 1: Wow, really one song. And it's great for you to

1732
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: say that because I think it's turned into this thing,

1733
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 1: right because they'll go to the beginning of the interview

1734
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: and hear about you writing songs right in one night, Yeah,

1735
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 1: thirty eight songs. The one thing they don't realize is

1736
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:25,639
Speaker 1: that none of those thirty eight song one night songs are.

1737
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 4: These songs, and nobody heard those songs.

1738
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of this younger generation gets caught up

1739
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 1: into obviously, we talk about all the time this vibe.

1740
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm just vibing and I'm writing and I'm writing, but

1741
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: they're not really crafting. You're just getting out their thoughts,

1742
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 1: which is cool. Yeah, But when you start looking at

1743
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,480
Speaker 1: those charts and you see those records that are consistently

1744
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: at the top, and those writers that are consistently at

1745
01:40:54,560 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 1: the top. These people are craftsmen and crafts women, you

1746
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. These are not just somebody just

1747
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 1: getting a vibe off.

1748
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 5: Now.

1749
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 1: Might you might get that off once, maybe twice. Yeah,

1750
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: But to do what you guys have done, to do

1751
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:11,600
Speaker 1: the things that you've done and things you've been a

1752
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: part of, it takes a different type of mindset, and

1753
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: you've explained it perfectly, bro, And I really appreciate that.

1754
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to highlight you saying like this record took

1755
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: a year and a half, right, don't get confused, right,

1756
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: And it's funny because it's a fun record. And the

1757
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,600
Speaker 1: most people probably think, oh, y'all was just vibing and

1758
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: y'all came up with that, But no, y'all really went

1759
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: through that, I'm sure, and dissected that record absolutely, you know.

1760
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 5: And you know the other part of it too, it

1761
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,879
Speaker 5: maybe you can relate to this is you know, I've

1762
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 5: been fortunate enough to also perform the records, so it's

1763
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 5: like I've got the other side of it to now

1764
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 5: think about. So you know, I remember when we were

1765
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 5: doing Versata on the floor, that song existed with an

1766
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 5: entirely different verse for nine months, a verse we thought

1767
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 5: was killing it had some lines and we talked about

1768
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 5: these lines today, you know money. But you know, Bruno

1769
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 5: will go home and listen to it and try to

1770
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 5: perform it and feel it and say, okay, I got

1771
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 5: to get in front of thousands of people. Is this

1772
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 5: the truest truth of this song? And one day he

1773
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 5: came to the studio he was like, the verse ain't it?

1774
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: After nine months?

1775
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 5: After nine months, the.

1776
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 1: Verse ain't it?

1777
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 5: And and so like hearing him say that, we know

1778
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 5: how long he can take to write verse. So it's

1779
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 5: just like you sure, I think you know, I think

1780
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 5: it is it? Though you sure though it ain't because

1781
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 5: did you play how many times you played it? He's

1782
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 5: like to saying it, and so you're then starting from

1783
01:42:56,720 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 5: scratch it and really, you know, and you know a

1784
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 5: lot to his credit and to his genius, it's like, no, man,

1785
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 5: I can't imagine myself performing m hmm.

1786
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that.

1787
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 4: And so he was like, no, man, we're in this

1788
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 4: world and you know, we're kind of in this nineties world,

1789
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 4: and you know, uh, Sean wouldn't open up a song

1790
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 4: like that, and boyster man, you know what I'm saying,

1791
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 4: yan Ye wouldn't you know what I mean? Like you

1792
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 4: think about these things better.

1793
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: This is like the bar, Like you know, you guys

1794
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: are the bar.

1795
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 5: So played something completely different and let's take our time

1796
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 5: to girl yeah above Us song and it was just like, okay,

1797
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 5: it is better than okay, I'm glad.

1798
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 1: You Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you were in new edition?

1799
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 1: What ship? No for real?

1800
01:43:59,080 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1801
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 5: That is so now man, It's like, now I'm in

1802
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 5: this phase of life where, you know, on the on

1803
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 5: the journey of pursuing your dream and your craft, you

1804
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 5: don't know why you're doing it. What you're amassing. You're

1805
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:26,600
Speaker 5: amassing lessons, You're amassing secrets, tools, a real blueprint, you know,

1806
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 5: not to repeat the success that you've had, but to

1807
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 5: enlighten the next generation of what could possibly happen for you.

1808
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 5: And this is what happened for me at this point.

1809
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 5: And I think maybe if I had to do it

1810
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 5: over again, I would do X y Z. But you know,

1811
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 5: you make your own decision. So now it's like, man,

1812
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 5: I've got all this wealth of information. I want to

1813
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 5: share it. I want to get on a podcast and

1814
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 5: tell the stories because people and I heard y'all, you know,

1815
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 5: when y'all interviewed Vince Herbert, he was talking about that.

1816
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 5: It's like, man, people need to hear these stories. People

1817
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 5: need to hear that it is attainable. But also like

1818
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 5: how hard you have to work if you don't have

1819
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 5: a car. It's okay to take the bus, right if

1820
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 5: that gets you to or ride your bike or.

1821
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 3: Rent a car, you know what I'm saying, a Lincoln

1822
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 3: town car and when it's supposed to be back in

1823
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 3: the week, never turn it in.

1824
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 1: See there's many roads, yeah to prison. How many you

1825
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: can take so many times and end up in prison.

1826
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 1: But he tak no, kids, don't don't steal the rent

1827
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: a car, okay, just get a bike. Be simple man.

1828
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:51,599
Speaker 1: He was still dang, this is the thing. You're talented, man,

1829
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: This is come on, man, be talented man, because if not,

1830
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: you're going to jail. Brother. Shit, some people can respect

1831
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 1: what h'm saying. He's been a jail a couple of times.

1832
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: They don't know. Tank really, he really, he really liked that.

1833
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 1: It is not my fault. They all say that in

1834
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: the whole Tank.

1835
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, what you're doing over there

1836
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 4: my brother.

1837
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 5: You have.

1838
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: What has he done?

1839
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 3: Journeys to the Top of Mount Everest, song lyric and

1840
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 3: melody that is affected the world. When they say top line,

1841
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 3: that's what they're talking about.

1842
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: They're talking about top.

1843
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 5: But brother, we like to know.

1844
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 1: Some of the songs and some of the artists we've influenced.

1845
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: Your Mountain top journey. We call that your what we

1846
01:46:53,560 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 1: call it chief what we call it, we call it top. Yeah,

1847
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 1: your top fun waited yeah yeah, f.

1848
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 10: Commute saying than saying body this song, come on, take

1849
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 10: a step.

1850
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 1: We're going to bore you go. Were on the shoe.

1851
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 1: It was really yes, Rah, come on do it for

1852
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 1: the Lawrences clue f yeah, wow, come on come.

1853
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 4: Oh see, I know what I know what he's doing.

1854
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 4: I know what he's doing that intro you see, I.

1855
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 1: Know I know what he's doing.

1856
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 5: For the next tour that you didn't put him on.

1857
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,600
Speaker 5: He trying to be in that top That's what you

1858
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 5: see what I'm at.

1859
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: I know what that.

1860
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 3: Tour announcement went out, your name went on there something

1861
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 3: that that available? Philip still your top five R and

1862
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 3: B singers.

1863
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, Donnie Hathaway, you might.

1864
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,759
Speaker 1: As well, ye say Donny.

1865
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta throw Looth in there.

1866
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you?

1867
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 5: Why would you know?

1868
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: Why would you have you heard him single? It's a

1869
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 1: legit pick.

1870
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 5: It would be sacrilegious. Man if I did not add

1871
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 5: a breathing. I mean, she's she's a queen and queen.

1872
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 4: And if I did not have her next to.

1873
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:14,759
Speaker 5: Ude, I think I gotta do Whitney.

1874
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 4: Yes, I think I have to do that.

1875
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 5: We must as an R and B singer, I have

1876
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:23,640
Speaker 5: to do that. You feel me.

1877
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:28,680
Speaker 4: It's something I must do. What's left with the pinky.

1878
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 1: Though, that's going the other way. He was the other way.

1879
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 5: It's fine, it works both ways. I was gonna say plies,

1880
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 5: but no, he's.

1881
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 1: He's been. He got plenty of money, You got plenty

1882
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 1: of money.

1883
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 5: I misplies, man.

1884
01:49:52,160 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 4: I would have to say it might be a little controversial.

1885
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 4: Oldis ready No, otis ready.

1886
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 5: Controversial because I'm leaving off Michael and Stevie's hard about

1887
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 5: this is your list, it's my Listen, it's your list.

1888
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: And Michael Stevee, Michael Seeve you go ahead, go ahead,

1889
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 1: Michael Stevee, Otis Michael Stevee, Oldess, Michael Steve, Michael Okay

1890
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 1: it was Michael Steven. Okay, okay, your top five R

1891
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 1: and B songs, yep, yep, yep.

1892
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 4: And you got a lot of songs in your head.

1893
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 4: We know it out of you know it to write

1894
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 4: the way you write. You know a lot of songs,

1895
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 4: lots of them out of mosic.

1896
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 1: Mhm. But you only got five. You only got five,

1897
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 1: and you can't name you know what, if you want

1898
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 1: to name one of yours, you can, you can. Okay,

1899
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 1: you got nine.

1900
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do that. That's not the one, Ladies and

1901
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 5: on because y'all make R and B. I don't care

1902
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 5: what nobody says.

1903
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 1: Come on, man, put on it right sort said, yeah, yeah,

1904
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 1: they make that is a light skin. Come on, R

1905
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:17,840
Speaker 1: and B artist. Let's go. Let's go hair curling in

1906
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:21,760
Speaker 1: the mud, Let's go with before I let go?

1907
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, come on, the greatest picnic song of

1908
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 5: all time, all time. You can't have an essence fest

1909
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 5: without it.

1910
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:29,680
Speaker 4: Let's lead with that.

1911
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, Number two, Lady in My Life, Miguel Jackson craftsmanship

1912
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 5: that record.

1913
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 1: They didn't write that song in one night, No way,

1914
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 1: no way. You're you're playing through the track in one night. Now,

1915
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: None of none of it.

1916
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 5: I may have to stay with him, okay, because I

1917
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 5: at that at most you.

1918
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 4: Are from Indiana.

1919
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 1: Brother, Come on you you know what I mean? You

1920
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 1: just where you're from. I want to rock with you.

1921
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Come on, you got that tell I'm gonna tell you

1922
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 1: what Benjamin Wright would say. That's my ship.

1923
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see his.

1924
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, is that two? No, that's that's three. Three,

1925
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 1: that's three, that's three because two Mils, two Michaels.

1926
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, a song for you, Donny, Yes, timeless, timeless. What

1927
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:39,599
Speaker 5: I love most about Donnie Halfaway is that he never

1928
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 5: wanted to be a sink. He never saw himself as

1929
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 5: a saint. Imagine that voice never coming out. He only

1930
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 5: wanted to compose and write. And he had gone, I

1931
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 5: forget some label and he was doing the demos. I'm

1932
01:52:56,040 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 5: sure I noticed, and they were like, who is right?

1933
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 5: But I don't see myself as a singer. Donny Hathaway.

1934
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:10,680
Speaker 5: And the final.

1935
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 4: Song R and B time.

1936
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:20,799
Speaker 1: Long Live.

1937
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 5: Because it was just my imaginary.

1938
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:36,920
Speaker 1: Nice yeah music, Nix said, Greysound music. Greysound Music.

1939
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, your R and B volks Ron, We're gonna

1940
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 3: make your super R and B artists. We're gonna grab

1941
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 3: the characteristics from artists from the beginning of time to

1942
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 3: now to the future. Wherever you pick what vocal, you're

1943
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 3: gonna pick, performance style, styling, passion.

1944
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 1: Of the artists, and who's right? Who is here? We

1945
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 1: go one vocal to build your super r and b artists.

1946
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,920
Speaker 1: Who's it gonna be? Who's sanging them songs?

1947
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 5: Now I gotta pull it back. It's Michael all right,

1948
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 5: Damn you're saying it had when heard that last one?

1949
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 1: Need a minute? Hold up, wait you inhaled a wrong.

1950
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 1: Well never with that jo the performance style on stage.

1951
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 5: James brown Ship Yeah yeah, another king, yes, s sweat

1952
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 5: it all now.

1953
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 1: This bron of the artists, the drip, the drip. I

1954
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 1: gotta go Michael again.

1955
01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 5: You can't. Have you ever seen our Fitsgosta you don't miss,

1956
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 5: he don't miss, you know, miss and originality and gloves.

1957
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 5: Miss the stitching. You got like five or six staple piece.

1958
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 5: It was his commitment to the Nobody has that many staples.

1959
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 5: It's like socks, socks, gloves, penny loafers, that's real, you

1960
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:16,520
Speaker 5: know what I mean.

1961
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 1: It's like zipper jacket, jacket with a here you know

1962
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He got the letterman cracking from the

1963
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 1: d from the Thriller video and we ain't even get

1964
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 1: to the hair. Huh, affly, you ain't no baby here?

1965
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 5: What drop down girl? I ain't have no baby that

1966
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 5: right there? Yet he still has baby.

1967
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 1: You see that. He's a baby.

1968
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 11: Baby grown up man, he's gonna cry with I walked

1969
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 11: into deuced game and they said, it's your son. Yeah,

1970
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 11: that's my son, man, my little brother. What's good like

1971
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 11: crack baby? An Asian no raising, passion of the artist,

1972
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 11: the heart of the artists who means it the most.

1973
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 4: Beyonce yep.

1974
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that commitment that like none other, like none other,

1975
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 1: like like none other. That artist is incredible. Out your

1976
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 1: votron is crazy. I want to sign the artist. I

1977
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 1: want to sign the artist. Man, we got to find

1978
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna write for this. Yeah, who's gonna right? Going

1979
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 1: to write to tunes man totally? Phil and Bruno. Let's go.

1980
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:49,840
Speaker 4: I'mbout to say less imbut sayings somebody else?

1981
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: Right? Come on now, was taking your soul? Come on now,

1982
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: come put me in a coach. I got then, I

1983
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 1: fucking man, bro, I You've done it, bro. Yeah, congratulations,

1984
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:11,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, congratulations man, and you're going to continue to

1985
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 1: do it.

1986
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 5: Amen.

1987
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think that.

1988
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 3: Even for us, you know, as long as we've been

1989
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 3: doing it, you know, we never failed to acknowledge the

1990
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 3: things and the people who are just dope and impressive.

1991
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and raising the bar for us, you know what

1992
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean.

1993
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 3: Oh, we're watching and that is fuel to be able

1994
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 3: to say, yeah, I'm sitting right next to a guy

1995
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 3: with nine number ones hot one hundred number ones and

1996
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna have number ten. I need to study

1997
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,640
Speaker 3: and see what the hell is going on what he's

1998
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 3: doing picks like that's. Yeah, appreciative of you even pulling

1999
01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 3: up and sitting here in this chair. Yeah, thank you

2000
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 3: for giving us that, bro.

2001
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 1: But you didn't have to. You may pay me, but

2002
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean did we pay because because no, we didn't.

2003
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 1: Because you don't. You don't have to. Yeah now he

2004
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 1: did though, told that he had to straight up. Yeah, Okay,

2005
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 1: there's that. Yeah, why but oh that's my wife.

2006
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 4: Now that's a clarification.

2007
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 1: None of that's real ownership. I didn't know you got

2008
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 1: marriage yet. Hey, you belongs to someone, you belong exragulations, guys,

2009
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 1: thank you whole school you belongs, belongs spell A, You're

2010
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:43,440
Speaker 1: no in ello.

2011
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 3: St belongs to Wow. That ship we did that, ring

2012
01:58:55,240 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 3: through me all the way off. Don't let my wife

2013
01:58:58,520 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 3: say that.

2014
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:02,360
Speaker 1: But that's how that's how we got. That's how we

2015
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 1: gotta feel here, brother, right up. Thank you. You got

2016
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:06,120
Speaker 1: to go do it.

2017
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:10,600
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you because we needed to hear this.

2018
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 3: They need to hear this, and they needed to see

2019
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:19,520
Speaker 3: who it is they need to see. Thank you, bro, Sir.

2020
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:25,080
Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all. Anytime, pleasure. I'll be back anything, of course, anytime.

2021
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 3: We'll do a round table. Yes, talk hits, I mean

2022
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 3: adult chart.

2023
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:36,440
Speaker 1: It's not relative on the valley.

2024
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:44,320
Speaker 3: I'm moving tomorrow, ladies and gentle money mistake and this

2025
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:47,520
Speaker 3: is the R Y Money Podcast, the authority.

2026
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:51,520
Speaker 1: Come on, come all things R and B.

2027
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Pello, Wow love love, thanks wow, thank you.

2028
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:00,360
Speaker 1: Like what