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Speaker 2: She said?
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Speaker 4: today's episode of Reality with the King, I am joined
Speaker 4: by Real Housewives a New Jersey star Margaret Joseph. Come
Speaker 4: on through on today's episode. We talk about it all
Speaker 4: this upcoming season of the Real house watch of New Jersey,
Speaker 4: how she and Teresa got into it on stage about me, Yes,
Speaker 4: yours truly, Carlos and what that was about.
Speaker 3: We also talk about Melissa.
Speaker 4: Gorga, what has been said about Melissa joining the show,
Speaker 4: and Margaret's thoughts on that. This was a fun, insightful
Speaker 4: conversation and I cannot wait for y'all to listen to it.
Speaker 4: Without further ado, here's my conversation with Margaret josephs. Margaret, So,
Speaker 4: as you know, I am a former producer of the
Speaker 4: Real Housewives of New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Which means I kind of know the DNA of the show.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, And I feel said we didn't get to
Speaker 1: work together because you were on the show before I
Speaker 1: got to make my debut.
Speaker 4: Oh baby, And let's just get into your debut. You
Speaker 4: and your pigtails made a mark.
Speaker 2: Yes, I came in twirling with those pigtails.
Speaker 3: Oh baby, and I was here for it.
Speaker 4: Also, one thing about this podcast is I like to
Speaker 4: have a deeper conversation before we get to the meet
Speaker 4: and the spaghetti of thing. So talk to me about
Speaker 4: how does a Margaret Josephs get cast to be a
Speaker 4: housewife of New Jersey.
Speaker 1: It's very funny, Carlos. I, first of all, that wasn't
Speaker 1: my goal. I wasn't trying to get on the show
Speaker 1: season six, when the Twins were on. Lucilla had come
Speaker 1: to me. The casting director was in New Jersey. They
Speaker 1: reached out through friends, and I said, oh, it's like
Speaker 1: a hoax. I'll like, you know, I'll take the taping
Speaker 1: in season six because the truth is Joe and I
Speaker 1: were doing our own show. We were we were already
Speaker 1: locked and loaded to do Pigtails and power tools. That
Speaker 1: that's absolutely a fact that we were signed with another
Speaker 1: production company but I said, oh my god, you know
Speaker 1: they're in town.
Speaker 2: I'll just do it.
Speaker 1: While Lucilla called up and said, you know, the network
Speaker 1: wants you, we want you to do it. They tried
Speaker 1: to get me out of my other contract with another
Speaker 1: production company, and the other production company would't let me out.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, you know me, cocky marge,
Speaker 1: Oh I'm getting my own show. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do it, and passed on it and that was it.
Speaker 1: Never never thought about it again. To flash forward two seasons,
Speaker 1: like you know, Teresa had went away. They put the
Speaker 1: show on pause for a year. Two years later, season
Speaker 1: eight comes around. I moved six weeks, I moved into
Speaker 1: this house. My bank account gets frozen. I have a lawsuit. Craziness.
Speaker 1: They come back through like a friend, not Siggy by
Speaker 1: the way, you know, but a mutual friend of Siggi's,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, they're casting again. They want to
Speaker 1: know if you'll do it now. I look at Joe.
Speaker 1: I was like, we've all this stuff going on, the
Speaker 1: business could use a boost. Let's see if we should
Speaker 1: do it. They talk to me, they do a zoom
Speaker 1: like we're doing now literally, you know, like a little
Speaker 1: FaceTime whatever it was. They're like, oh my god, we
Speaker 1: still love you. The producers come over. Within two weeks
Speaker 1: I was the new housewife. It wasn't like a whole
Speaker 1: jumping through hoops kind of thing.
Speaker 3: No, that's fast. So let me explain to my listeners.
Speaker 4: When you are cast to be a housewife, you have
Speaker 4: to go through what I like to call a boot camp.
Speaker 3: Honey.
Speaker 4: You have to like do all of these scenes to
Speaker 4: make sure the chemistry is right. I have never met
Speaker 4: a housewife that I worked with where they got it
Speaker 4: that fast. So Margaret, it goes to show you that
Speaker 4: you are that girl.
Speaker 1: Yes, it just you know what, timing was right. I
Speaker 1: think they were starting to film. I think other housewives
Speaker 1: probably had fallen by the wayside and they had seen
Speaker 1: me and they wanted me in season six. So I
Speaker 1: think they were like, this is this is the perfect timing,
Speaker 1: and everything just worked out right. You know, they'd come
Speaker 1: to your house, they do the walkthrough. I literally moved
Speaker 1: into this old house like six weeks before then, and
Speaker 1: people bitch about.
Speaker 2: Now it's not perfect. You should have seen it.
Speaker 4: Then.
Speaker 2: We were ripping out wallpaper.
Speaker 1: It was a mess, but it just it just timing
Speaker 1: was everything, and it was just the right time.
Speaker 3: Were you a fan of this Shelby before you joined?
Speaker 1: Truthfully, I only watched season one and two, a little
Speaker 1: bit of three, and then I took a pause and
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it. Joe and I were big New
Speaker 1: York fans and we were watching New York, so of
Speaker 1: course I knew of it one, two, and three, watched it,
Speaker 1: then didn't watch watched New York, and then then I
Speaker 1: obviously became a fan after I got back on it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was scripted.
Speaker 1: I really thought I was scripted until I got on
Speaker 1: the show and I was like, holy crap, this is
Speaker 1: not scripted.
Speaker 2: Everyone's really crazy.
Speaker 4: Well, look, it's flattering to know that the two seasons
Speaker 4: you watched I produced the first two seasons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my opinion. Still it's iconic. And when you.
Speaker 4: Watched the show in all honesty, the first three seasons
Speaker 4: and keep it real, Margaret, Were you a fan of
Speaker 4: Teresa the first two seasons?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 1: Of course I was a fan of the first two
Speaker 1: seasons of Teresa when I watched it, because she was
Speaker 1: on the show, and she was of course, how could
Speaker 1: you have not been a fan of Teresa the first
Speaker 1: two seasons. I love the manzos well, I love the
Speaker 1: whole show the first two seasons. The funny thing is,
Speaker 1: of course I was like, I was like, who's this
Speaker 1: Danielle person?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: You know, I was like freaked out. And then I
Speaker 1: came back on my show with Danielle. But I didn't
Speaker 1: feel nervous about it because when I went on my
Speaker 1: season with her season eight, I fell in love with Danielle.
Speaker 1: We actually became very good friends.
Speaker 4: And that's why it was so sad to see the
Speaker 4: demise of the friendship between you and Danielle because listen,
Speaker 4: as a viewer of myself, I enjoyed it as someone
Speaker 4: who also knows Danielle deep down aside, Danielle is a sweetheart,
Speaker 4: like she right.
Speaker 1: Yes, I you want She pulled my hair, she said
Speaker 1: horrible things about me. Listen, I fought with her. I
Speaker 1: only wanted good for her. I am that person who
Speaker 1: tries to give you real life advice, solid advice when
Speaker 1: you don't take it, and I see you're only damaging yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't want any part of it. I don't there's
Speaker 1: certain things I don't want any part of it. I
Speaker 1: feel horrible certain things that happened to her in her
Speaker 1: life after the fact, I said your marriage is going
Speaker 1: to fall apart.
Speaker 2: You're not going to stay in that house.
Speaker 1: Everything I said has come true, but I feel horrible
Speaker 1: for it. I don't think she's a bad person. I
Speaker 1: don't wish her any ill. Certain people aren't cut out
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that is true. Listen.
Speaker 4: Being on reality, as you know, Margaret, it is tough
Speaker 4: and not everyone is built for it in terms of
Speaker 4: lasting very long and keeping your sanity and being able
Speaker 4: to keep you know, the character in which you are,
Speaker 4: especially before you joined the show. So when you look
Speaker 4: back on that scene that has been played a thousand times,
Speaker 4: you and your ponytail and Danielle and her basachi achi
Speaker 4: achi outfits, and at seeing what occurred, you pour the
Speaker 4: drink on her, she gets mad, starts to put her
Speaker 4: on fire, and then we see what happened after that.
Speaker 4: Knowing that hindsight is twenty twenty, when you look at
Speaker 4: that moment, Margaret, do you have any regrets in terms
Speaker 4: of pouring the drink on her?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, she was in my space. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: She did chest bump me. I think everything moved very
Speaker 1: quickly tried to diffuse it. I was like, obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not one someone who's gonna lay my hands on anybody.
Speaker 1: That's a fact. I would never do that. I pour
Speaker 1: I poured the water on her. I shouldn't have poured
Speaker 1: the water on her. I had said that before. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not used to someone, you know, being
Speaker 1: in my space so much, so I but I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done that. That's a fact. I hindsight' stone twin.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought after she set my purse on fire,
Speaker 1: that was a good retaliation enough. You know, I was
Speaker 1: like my Valentino bag and everything in it. But I
Speaker 1: think pulling the hair I went too far. That was
Speaker 1: like dragged and she really could have snapped my neck.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a little tug. It was like she dragged
Speaker 1: and pulled my hair. So I think it got the
Speaker 1: best of her. I think that just went over over
Speaker 1: the line. You know, water, water's not She's not gonna
Speaker 1: you know, you get wet. No one goes to the
Speaker 1: hospital for having water poured on them. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where it just went too far.
Speaker 3: You seem to have a love of water, Margaret. You
Speaker 3: pour water. You pushed her husband in the pool?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes, the pool push.
Speaker 2: The pool push was the best.
Speaker 3: Margaret and water, do you too do not mix? Apparently,
Speaker 3: my love? Do you.
Speaker 4: Would you like to see Danielle back on the show
Speaker 4: or do you think at this point is best for
Speaker 4: her not to be on it.
Speaker 1: I think it's best for her not to be on it.
Speaker 1: I think it's I just think reality is hard in general,
Speaker 1: and I think when it becomes your whole life and
Speaker 1: it be and you obsess over, it's not a good thing.
Speaker 1: I think she's listen. I think she's been iconic on
Speaker 1: the show. I think she had a good run. But
Speaker 1: I think it just ruled her and I think it
Speaker 1: overtook her. And I don't think it's it's a good
Speaker 1: space for her.
Speaker 2: I just don't.
Speaker 3: Do you forgive her it's.
Speaker 1: Good for her emotionally? Of course, yes, of course I
Speaker 1: forgive her.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 3: Have you seen her recently?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't. I haven't seen her.
Speaker 4: When you saw that, Teresa whispered in Danielle's ear to
Speaker 4: do it, Obviously, that was a big moment for that
Speaker 4: particular season.
Speaker 3: You two seemed to be able.
Speaker 4: To all the struggle in the beginning, but it seems
Speaker 4: like you two were able to get past that. How
Speaker 4: are you able to have forgiveness for that moment that
Speaker 4: immediately made you emotion knowing.
Speaker 1: You cried and you were so sad about it. I,
Speaker 1: you know, I really didn't want to believe it because
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine her doing that.
Speaker 2: At the time, because.
Speaker 1: We were close and we were friends, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what in your right mind are you thinking? You know,
Speaker 1: I was just in shock because all along she didn't
Speaker 1: say anything. She an opportunity to come clean, so I
Speaker 1: was very upset. But I know she was remorseful. I
Speaker 1: know when Teresa's remorseful, and I do believe I believed
Speaker 1: in my heart she very remorseful. So when someone's truly
Speaker 1: remorseful about something, I can forgive them no and listen.
Speaker 4: As someone who knows Teresa personally, I definitely agree with
Speaker 4: you in terms of I think we all know that
Speaker 4: Teresa says what she means, and she means what she says,
Speaker 4: and we've seen Teresa not befriend people anymore and not
Speaker 4: have that level of honesty when it comes to her apology.
Speaker 3: So I do agree with you.
Speaker 4: I think the fact that she said it, we all
Speaker 4: know that she means it. And now that we have
Speaker 4: this new season coming on which Margaret the Real Housewives
Speaker 4: of New Jersey maybe the only franchise of the Housewives
Speaker 4: zeitgeist to where the off season is more talked about than.
Speaker 2: The Curl My god, it's what is.
Speaker 4: It about the Real Houseposts of New Jersey to where
Speaker 4: the show hasn't aired yet. It allegedly is going to
Speaker 4: air February or twenty twenty three, but it seems to
Speaker 4: be more talked about than Potomac definitely Salt Lake City,
Speaker 4: and it's the one show that is probably the most
Speaker 4: anticipated Real Housewives season since Beverly Hill's. When Denise Richard said, Bravo,
Speaker 4: fucking bravo. Why is that the case, Margaret josephs.
Speaker 1: We have genuine relationships, We are friends all year round.
Speaker 1: There's family members on this show together, and real life
Speaker 1: drama happened on this show that has caused pain to
Speaker 1: exist beyond the show. This wasn't like go film, you know,
Speaker 1: it's only.
Speaker 2: For the show.
Speaker 1: This is real life stuff that has happened on the
Speaker 1: show that has caused emotion to transcend filming, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what it is, and I think people don't
Speaker 1: realize we are all close, and that's where our show
Speaker 1: does so well. We see each other outside of filming,
Speaker 1: We socialize outside of filming. The husbands are close outside
Speaker 1: of filming, and that's why this show is so talked about.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's living real life. People see the
Speaker 1: way we're living. Some family members obviously are not hanging
Speaker 1: out together, so it's playing out the whole time. I mean,
Speaker 1: they split the jersey panel at Bravocon. I think that
Speaker 1: says it all.
Speaker 4: What was that like? I mean, why do you think
Speaker 4: that happened? And how awkward was it?
Speaker 1: I was upset that it happened because I think that
Speaker 1: we're all professional enough to be together.
Speaker 2: But I also understood we.
Speaker 1: Haven't film reunion yet and there was so much tension
Speaker 1: and people didn't need to see any animosity or any
Speaker 1: tension and negativity there.
Speaker 3: Who I hate you interrupt, but stay tuned for more.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after these quick ads. This is
Speaker 4: Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
Speaker 4: back into the show. One of the biggest rumors about
Speaker 4: this upcoming season, we'll get in to the obvious one,
Speaker 4: which is Melissa and Teresa. But one of the biggest
Speaker 4: rumors is something that you're involved in. Margaret People magazine,
Speaker 4: our mutual friend Dave Quinn reported that allegedly there is
Speaker 4: this New Jersey woman who who tried to get on
Speaker 4: the show Befriend You, and there's a group text that
Speaker 4: involved Dave Quinn and other I'll show you the group text.
Speaker 3: I could.
Speaker 1: I could send it, I could screenshot it for you,
Speaker 1: I could show Do you want the group text?
Speaker 2: I'll show you right here.
Speaker 4: This is a recent with your key exclusive We love
Speaker 4: a receipt girl.
Speaker 1: I have endless receipts. I sent it to numerous people.
Speaker 1: This happened in February. You could see the date. Do
Speaker 1: you want the Dave Quinn one? Or do you want
Speaker 1: me to show you what I sent to numerous people
Speaker 1: that I showed it to. Then I sent her and
Speaker 1: she's and she's on it. I'm going to say, at
Speaker 1: point blank, I know the girls in some twelve. I
Speaker 1: loved her. We went to middle school together. We were
Speaker 1: friends for a very long time. I really don't even
Speaker 1: want to give her a lot of cloud, but I'm
Speaker 1: just going to say it here. I am going to
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you proof of every you know
Speaker 1: those things. We were separated for a long time. I
Speaker 1: had a house in the Hampton's in Sagaponic, Beautiful area.
Speaker 1: She was in a motel Keyword Motel in Montalk. Her
Speaker 1: and her husband had come over to see Joe and I.
Speaker 1: This is before I was on the show. They came
Speaker 1: back in our life. We had a beautiful friendship. She
Speaker 1: spent every holiday with us, her and her husband. She
Speaker 1: I got on the show. When they were back in
Speaker 1: my life. She saw I had opportunities. You know, I
Speaker 1: had a business before I was on the show. She
Speaker 1: saw my ups and my downs. I brought her into
Speaker 1: my life. She socialized around the other housewives with me.
Speaker 2: She came on trips with me.
Speaker 1: She was privy to a lot of my good things
Speaker 1: that had happened, which I was grateful for.
Speaker 2: I've loved her. I'm not going to say it in
Speaker 2: she came out a lot with me.
Speaker 1: Listen, Obviously I'm closer with Melissa then Teresa though, you know,
Speaker 1: but I was still close with Teresa. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I wasn't. She was around Teresa. She's around everybody. She
Speaker 1: hated Jennifer Aiden. She had fights with Jennifer Aiden. Actually
Speaker 1: at that filming when Teresa was found out about pulling
Speaker 1: my hair, this girl had a fight with Teresa there.
Speaker 1: I got her two interviews on the show. She desperately
Speaker 1: want to be a housewife. She's a court reporter, keyword,
Speaker 1: court reporter, and she wanted to be a housewife. And
Speaker 1: her husband is not working. She says he's retired. He
Speaker 1: was not working because he had a car as an accident.
Speaker 1: He was hit unemployed. I could say a lot of
Speaker 1: things which I've never said before, and I don't wish
Speaker 1: the many ill. I only wanted to lift them up.
Speaker 1: I got her two interviews too, one year after the
Speaker 1: next on the show. Do I run NBC, Bravo, Universal
Speaker 1: appslutely not? Can I get someone black ball to get
Speaker 1: not on the show?
Speaker 3: Note?
Speaker 1: Why would I do that? I brought her around. I
Speaker 1: wanted her to be a friend. I brought her to filmings,
Speaker 1: she went to my plastic surgeons. I did everything possible
Speaker 1: to get her on the show, everything possible. She was
Speaker 1: upset because I said to her, I said, don't get
Speaker 1: extensions down to your vagina.
Speaker 2: Don't look like everybody else. I gave her solid I
Speaker 2: gave her solid advice. I was like, stand out.
Speaker 1: I said, she twisted the truths of things that I said.
Speaker 1: She said, I said, Jackie's jealous of my press, like
Speaker 1: little things like that. She would say, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what she went back to tell Teresa and Jennifer. I said,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never said that. What I said to
Speaker 1: her was, I don't want a situation you come on
Speaker 1: the show and I get more press than you.
Speaker 2: I said, let me give you an example.
Speaker 1: Melissa gets more press than I do because she's been
Speaker 1: on the show longer, just like I get more press
Speaker 1: than Jackie does because I'm on the show longer than
Speaker 1: she is. I go, so, I don't want a situation
Speaker 1: where you come on and I don't want any animosity
Speaker 1: if you come on on the show.
Speaker 2: You know, I gave her the heads up. I am very.
Speaker 1: Upfront about shit like that. So that's the ground rules
Speaker 1: Carlos that I said to her. She didn't get on
Speaker 1: the show two years in a row. She thought I
Speaker 1: cock blocked her after she didn't get on twice, So
Speaker 1: then we had some argument. I couldn't bring her to
Speaker 1: a Christmas party. Then I canceled my own Christmas party.
Speaker 1: We weren't talking. We had a fight and that was it.
Speaker 1: She was like, all right, if I can't get on
Speaker 1: the show being her friend, I'm going to try and
Speaker 1: bury her. And she contacted Jennifer and Teresa and went
Speaker 1: to their home after I had opened my home to
Speaker 1: her for years. You know, she was not associated with
Speaker 1: her own family, her parents, She wasn't speaking to them,
Speaker 1: her brothers and sisters, and she went to their home
Speaker 1: and said, I, you know, I have dirt about Margaret
Speaker 1: did as she said this, She did this, you know,
Speaker 1: all bullshit and tried to hurt me and get on
Speaker 1: the show that way. Giving interviews to page six. Her
Speaker 1: husband contacted to Teas in a pod to get on there.
Speaker 1: He runs the account Ramona's Poop on Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 2: I have proof of it.
Speaker 1: I had the email to show that it ties back
Speaker 1: to his email. I could show you those receipts as well.
Speaker 1: And when I found this out, by the way of
Speaker 1: February of twenty one, we found this out before the
Speaker 1: old reunion, that she went over to Jennifer's house. I
Speaker 1: found out before I contacted Melissa Dolores. I know I'm
Speaker 1: talking and not letting it, but I have to give
Speaker 1: you the whole story. I found out immediately. I told
Speaker 1: all the other housewives, and I told everybody I ever
Speaker 1: introduced her to and put her on the group chain.
Speaker 1: So I had introduced her Dave Quinn, I introduced her
Speaker 1: to all my contacts. That's how generous and spirit I am.
Speaker 1: I want to lift everybody up. So I am going
Speaker 1: to show you this. Do you want the Dave Quinn one?
Speaker 2: Because I could do.
Speaker 3: It whatever you think is necessary, baby.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll show you the one I sent to hold on.
Speaker 1: Here's the one. This is the one that Dave Quinn
Speaker 1: was on. Here you could see it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can. Happy Saturday everyone. I'll read it to
Speaker 1: you and then i'll screen, I'll spoonshot and send it
Speaker 1: to your producer and you could see the date. It's Sunday,
Speaker 1: February twenty seventh, at five twenty seven pm of twenty one.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's how long ago this is.
Speaker 1: So this was before we even filmed last reunion and
Speaker 1: this is now coming up like it's embarrassing for her.
Speaker 2: And then Happy Sunday everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to write this, but Laura Jensen, who
Speaker 1: is on this group text and I and I have
Speaker 1: brought on this group text and I have brought into
Speaker 1: our group, has unfortunately attempted to insert herself into my
Speaker 1: employment and contacted and met with my cast mates Jennifer
Speaker 1: Aiden to undermine me. If you choose to associate with her,
Speaker 1: please do not include me, which I am sure you won't.
Speaker 1: I know this is very Housewives of me, but we
Speaker 1: should all know when there's a snake in the group.
Speaker 1: I hope none of you revealed anything to this beast.
Speaker 1: She was on every group text I sent that Because
Speaker 1: you know what, if you're want to go to people
Speaker 1: I work with try and undermine me, trying to hurt
Speaker 1: my career and say things that aren't true, I Am
Speaker 1: going to confront it head on and put you on
Speaker 1: the group chain.
Speaker 3: Wow. And you know what, it's so interesting.
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty upfront.
Speaker 3: Now, listen.
Speaker 4: I think as a fan of New Jersey, we all
Speaker 4: know you're pretty upfront. One thing I know about being
Speaker 4: a reality TV producer is there is something unfortunate about
Speaker 4: how friendships dissipate because of being famous and getting on
Speaker 4: reality TV.
Speaker 3: A lot of people truly.
Speaker 4: Do and listen, I don't know this woman, and this
Speaker 4: is no shade to her because I'm not in it.
Speaker 4: What what I'm saying is based on my experience dealing
Speaker 4: on other shows. A lot of people will sell their
Speaker 4: soul to get on reality TV. And what was interesting
Speaker 4: about all of that, this woman allegedly DMed a lot
Speaker 4: of people, me included, and really want to Today's not alleged.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know who.
Speaker 4: Really wanted to have her story out there. And one
Speaker 4: of the things she alleged is a lot of things
Speaker 4: about infidelity.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna reveal too much on the show because
Speaker 3: I don't want to get you.
Speaker 4: In trouble, nor myself, but there are allegedly a lot
Speaker 4: of accusations this upcoming season of New Jersey about infidelity.
Speaker 4: Is it true that this woman is the one who
Speaker 4: started those rumors?
Speaker 1: Yes, she said those rumors. Yeah, she came to Teresa
Speaker 1: and Jennifer with those rooms.
Speaker 2: She's just putting them out there.
Speaker 1: She claims they came from me, and not directly from me,
Speaker 1: that I heard it from someone else, you know, saying
Speaker 1: all these things. You know, what better way to make
Speaker 1: your way onto a show? Than twists ounce of truth.
Speaker 1: She said she was out, we were out with these people.
Speaker 1: Are we friends with all these people? She said, these
Speaker 1: infidelities happened with of course we're friends with these people.
Speaker 1: Was she out with these you know, out with us
Speaker 1: with these people, Yes, things like that. But to say
Speaker 1: something where there's no proof, there's no photos. You heard it,
Speaker 1: you heard it in my house. Of course everybody knows
Speaker 1: she was in my house. If you weren't, what what
Speaker 1: where is this coming from? And when did this happen? Oh,
Speaker 1: it happened four years ago. I heard this four years ago.
Speaker 1: What's the benefit of this? Why are you saying these things?
Speaker 1: You're trying to get on a reality show. You're not
Speaker 1: very credible.
Speaker 2: What is the point?
Speaker 1: And now you're you're dming, you're this, You're trying to
Speaker 1: insert yourself into relevancy.
Speaker 2: It's it's disappointing.
Speaker 1: And you go to my two biggest people who I
Speaker 1: was not getting along with at the time, and.
Speaker 4: Are you able to confirm whether or not she does
Speaker 4: appear on the show.
Speaker 2: This season, does not appear, does not appear?
Speaker 3: She does not appear on the show this season.
Speaker 4: Again, I don't want to give too much away, but
Speaker 4: allegedly this may be the introduction into Teresa versus Melissa,
Speaker 4: which I know has been the one of the biggest
Speaker 4: issues this season. And according to sources, people have said
Speaker 4: that Teresa versus Melissa this upcoming season it's nothing like
Speaker 4: you've ever seen before, that everything else prior to this
Speaker 4: is a fucking walk in the park compared to what's
Speaker 4: to come.
Speaker 3: Are you able to confirm that, you know what?
Speaker 2: It's?
Speaker 1: It's different, it's a different kind of Teresa versus it's
Speaker 1: not really to Resa versus Melissa. I think it's it's painful.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of undercurrent. It's it's a
Speaker 1: different kind of it's a different kind of drama, and
Speaker 1: it's it's not combative. I think people are going to
Speaker 1: find it very interesting. I think it's deep, so I
Speaker 1: think everyone's going to have to watch. I don't want
Speaker 1: to give away too much. I think it heats up,
Speaker 1: but I think it's it's a different kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and it's it's painful, and I think there's grudges being
Speaker 1: held that should not be.
Speaker 2: You know, that's my opinion, Carlos.
Speaker 1: You know I'm not clearly, I'm not a grudge holder right,
Speaker 1: So I'm not big with the grudges. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not big with grudges, so it upsets me. It upsets me.
Speaker 2: I don't like to go back.
Speaker 1: I like to look forward, and I don't like to say, well,
Speaker 1: you did this ten years ago, or you did this
Speaker 1: a long time ago, or you did that. That's not
Speaker 1: something that works in life in general.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on what's been circulating. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: I consider myself to be a journalist.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you are.
Speaker 4: So long coming out the talk show, come on, so Margaret,
Speaker 4: I like to report the news and go home, yes,
Speaker 4: and be in my closet.
Speaker 3: It does watch television.
Speaker 4: So obviously one of the biggest topics right now is
Speaker 4: my conversation with Heavy McDonald about Theresa being blindsided that
Speaker 4: Melissa and Joe was joining the show. I had to Lisa,
Speaker 4: who's my friend on my podcast where she did reveal
Speaker 4: which I did not know she was going to reveal
Speaker 4: it how me and Melissa are Facebook friends and Melissa
Speaker 4: you said message me on Facebook all those things right,
Speaker 4: And obviously it's been the talk of the town. You
Speaker 4: recently had an appearance with Teresa. How did it go
Speaker 4: and was this topic brought up during that appearance.
Speaker 1: We had a great We had a great appearance. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, very cordial, but it was funny because they
Speaker 1: asked me about my podcast. I said, I have entrepreneurs, disruptors,
Speaker 1: I named some people. Then I said I have Carlos
Speaker 1: King on my podcast and that I Teresa.
Speaker 2: She got mad at me. Yeah, I know, And you
Speaker 2: called him a liar. Did I call you a liar?
Speaker 3: No, you didn't call me a liar. But listen you.
Speaker 1: I said you caused a ship store on the internet.
Speaker 1: That's what I said.
Speaker 3: I said, with you call me a liar? You said,
Speaker 3: it's funny. Out of it? Out of it?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Here that you said that? What what was said? You were?
Speaker 4: You were you and Joe Hi Joe, Your Joe, not
Speaker 4: the other Joe, Your Joe, and you were being interviewed
Speaker 4: by someone. They brought up my interview and the only
Speaker 4: thing you said was that wasn't the story that me
Speaker 4: and you.
Speaker 3: Talked about in your podcast. And what I was saying.
Speaker 1: Yes, you said you were called in the supermarket by
Speaker 1: Teresa and she told you that they were coming on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 4: Oh no, and I and I stand by that, and
Speaker 4: that was the thing, and that was the thing.
Speaker 2: And I said, Terrisa too, I'm a liar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you didn't call me a liar either.
Speaker 4: Not.
Speaker 3: What I said to Teresa.
Speaker 4: Was I did my interview with Margaret a week before
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, a week after.
Speaker 3: I did my interview Teresa.
Speaker 4: And obviously, like I said earlier, me and Teresa known
Speaker 4: each other for over ten years.
Speaker 3: Our conversation is deeper, Margan.
Speaker 4: I did not go deep into it because the interview
Speaker 4: with you, right, the interview that I did with you,
Speaker 4: was not detailed on that. So I want to I
Speaker 4: want to say that, No, you did not call me
Speaker 4: a liar. You said that's not the story you were told.
Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, you and I
Speaker 4: never talked about the Facebook thing because I kept that
Speaker 4: to myself. So when Teresa brought it up, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to lie it is.
Speaker 3: It is the truth.
Speaker 4: And look, and I want to say this on my podcast.
Speaker 4: I said it on your podcast and I said it
Speaker 4: to Teresa too. I just want the world to know
Speaker 4: that I am not involved in that family dynamic. My
Speaker 4: truth was my truth about Teresa, how she found out
Speaker 4: and the Melissa thing. I do not dislike Melissa. I
Speaker 4: don't know Melissa, I don't know Georgorga. Look, that's they
Speaker 4: are great for the show. I've said that before, and
Speaker 4: as a person who has nine siblings and a big family,
Speaker 4: I think it's sad to where things are. And my hope,
Speaker 4: I agree. My hope is that they're able to get
Speaker 4: past this. But as someone who's close to Melissa and
Speaker 4: has a friendship with Teresa, when you when you hear
Speaker 4: these stories, how do.
Speaker 3: You feel about it?
Speaker 4: Like, do you feel at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: in a perfect world, Melissa would have at least given
Speaker 4: Teresa heads up or do you feel at the end
Speaker 4: of the day they were not on speaking terms and
Speaker 4: she doesn't owe her anything.
Speaker 1: I the story, see Carlos. The story I know is
Speaker 1: that Melissa and Andy Cohen, Melissa, Teresa knew Melissa interviewed.
Speaker 1: She didn't know she got it, but she knew she
Speaker 1: was interviewing for the position, and she was annoyed by it.
Speaker 1: She didn't realize that she got it.
Speaker 3: I know that part.
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, go ahead, That's what we had talked
Speaker 1: about on my podcast. We had talked about that on
Speaker 1: my podcast, and it was a family show, and you
Speaker 1: know other family members were on it. Listen, it's very
Speaker 1: hard to work with family. But Dina and Caroline were
Speaker 1: on it, and Jacqueline. They were all related. It's not
Speaker 1: far fetched that Melissa and Joe would be on it
Speaker 1: with Teresa. I understand, Listen, it's hard to work with family.
Speaker 1: I understand that. But now we're ten years down the road.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, We're ten years down the road.
Speaker 1: So that's what I try and say to Teresa. Who
Speaker 1: cares say if you didn't know, just say, like you know,
Speaker 1: that's why are you still upset? Like, let's just put
Speaker 1: this behind us. You've worked with them for so long.
Speaker 1: You both fed off each other. We've had an amazing run.
Speaker 1: This has been a great show, the successes of it
Speaker 1: for both of you. Like, let's not be upset. It's
Speaker 1: not worth it. Nothing is worth this upset. That's the
Speaker 1: way I feel. Do you understand what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: just it's too far gone already. It's like, why we
Speaker 1: shouldn't still be talking about this. You know, Teresa, you're
Speaker 1: happily married, you have a beautiful life moving for like
Speaker 1: this should be, like she says in her rear view mirror.
Speaker 1: What are you still talking about this? It's not worth it,
Speaker 1: you don't there's nothing to be indicated over.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 1: It's over, you know what I mean, It's like whatever
Speaker 1: it is, you know, Melissa says, this is the truth.
Speaker 1: She you know, from the beginning, she said, Teresa knew
Speaker 1: she was interviewing.
Speaker 3: She really, she.
Speaker 1: Really, wholeheartedly says that that is what I heard from
Speaker 1: the beginning when I met them. Teresa wholeheartedly says she
Speaker 1: had no idea. Never those two are going to agree
Speaker 1: on something.
Speaker 3: Never.
Speaker 2: Never is that going to happen.
Speaker 1: So the whole point is is just like why are
Speaker 1: we but it's so far in the past, why are
Speaker 1: we still talking about it? Like, listen, I have such
Speaker 1: family bullshit, such family drama I could complain about NonStop.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I would never have a relationship with
Speaker 1: some people in my.
Speaker 2: Life if I still spoke about it.
Speaker 1: Right, Am I still going to be talking about Teresa
Speaker 1: pull in my hair?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit at this point. It's like
Speaker 1: whatever I chose to, you know, forgive and forget. It's
Speaker 1: like we got to drop it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, listen, I I hope that at some
Speaker 4: point they're able to reconcile. And look, I just think
Speaker 4: it's it's unfortunate what happened. And as someone who was
Speaker 4: around the first two seasons, the one thing I will
Speaker 4: say is I understand how Teresa feels about filming with
Speaker 4: her family only because she saw how unfortunate the Manzell
Speaker 4: situation was. And as somebody who was a part of
Speaker 4: that for the first two seasons, Margaret, listen, and this
Speaker 4: is not me trying to like give an exclusive about
Speaker 4: behind the scenes stuff. What I will say about the
Speaker 4: Manzel's the first two seasons, you guys have no idea
Speaker 4: how deep that shit was behind the scenes. It was
Speaker 4: god awful. And I think that's probably where Teresa hit
Speaker 4: is that I and I do understand that. But you
Speaker 4: guys have the second highest rated franchise behind Beverly Hills,
Speaker 4: and a lot of it has to do with this
Speaker 4: current cast. This cast is super phenomenal. It's super great.
Speaker 4: I think all of you guys work well together. Do
Speaker 4: we get a chance to see any reconciliation, Margaret, between
Speaker 4: you and the great Jennifer Aiden.
Speaker 1: I thought we reconciled last year. I thought we had
Speaker 1: a beautiful reconciliation last year. Whenever I reconcile with someone,
Speaker 1: it's genuine. I'd like to say I'm very genuine. I
Speaker 1: think some of my cast members are not. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to leave it at that when I say when
Speaker 1: I reconcile with someone, it's from the heart.
Speaker 2: Obviously with other people it's not.
Speaker 4: How is this show able to move forward if there
Speaker 4: is this big division in the group.
Speaker 3: Do you see a way out of this divide?
Speaker 1: I think, for the sake of listen, I you know,
Speaker 1: I never thought look at me and Theresa last year.
Speaker 1: I mean I made it on the wedding list somehow.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at what happened last year with her
Speaker 1: and I and you know she wanted to murder me.
Speaker 2: And you know.
Speaker 1: I don't think time heals all wounds, because it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it always does.
Speaker 2: But I think reflection, everybody's got to take a minute.
Speaker 1: I think maybe when I hope, when we watch the
Speaker 1: season back and you see everybody's pain, maybe things could change.
Speaker 1: We have a time till we go to the reunion.
Speaker 1: I think time is going to tell when everybody watches
Speaker 1: the season back.
Speaker 4: One of my last questions is you are a polarizing
Speaker 4: figure to watch.
Speaker 3: I enjoy watching you on the show. I thank you.
Speaker 4: I think you are super fantastic for the show. There's
Speaker 4: been a lot of failures with New Housewives upcoming and
Speaker 4: after I left, But you are You and Jennifer Aiden,
Speaker 4: to me, are are the two best casting decisions. I
Speaker 4: think you too are just I think you two are
Speaker 4: just so fucking fantastic. Honestly, what do you think is
Speaker 4: the biggest misconception when it comes to you?
Speaker 1: I think, uh, the biggest miss two big misconceptions. I
Speaker 1: think because I am so strong, that that I'm not
Speaker 1: sensitive or that I don't feel the pain. People could
Speaker 1: think that, oh, she's cold about something, or when I
Speaker 1: say something, you know, like oh I don't care about kids,
Speaker 1: I don't care about moms. That's nonsense. Because I have
Speaker 1: a strong conviction. People think that I don't feel things,
Speaker 1: uh and that and that's not the case.
Speaker 2: I I do.
Speaker 1: I just have been in business a long time before
Speaker 1: I got on this show. I am tough and I
Speaker 1: am resilient, and I think that's that's what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't crumble easy because I haven't had the opportunity
Speaker 1: in life. I wasn't able to because I had to
Speaker 1: stand on my own. So I think people think I'm
Speaker 1: tougher than I am because I do crazily. I am
Speaker 1: super sensitive and things do hurt me, but I do
Speaker 1: bounce back quickly and I could see. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a big misconception. I think it's a big misconception
Speaker 1: about me being a mom. Everyone's like, you know and
Speaker 1: see your kids.
Speaker 2: You don't do this.
Speaker 1: No, I'm very private. That is something I hold very,
Speaker 1: very dear and close to my heart. Yes, I spoke
Speaker 1: about the pain of being separate from my children and
Speaker 1: two out of the six, two out of six kids.
Speaker 1: And yes, I have a biological son and we are
Speaker 1: also super close, but I keep that so private that
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to really know about me as
Speaker 1: a mom. I mean, I wish I could share, because
Speaker 1: that's my top priority, and it's such a top priority
Speaker 1: for private.
Speaker 3: And it's true that your child doesn't want to be
Speaker 3: on the show, right.
Speaker 1: Well, have nothing to do with the show, doesn't have
Speaker 1: social media, stays very out of the public eye never
Speaker 1: And it's funny, even before I was on the show,
Speaker 1: if we'd go on a vacation, he would say, don't
Speaker 1: host very humble, very private, don't let people know where
Speaker 1: we are, don't let people know what we have. All
Speaker 1: my kids will like that, except Brett, my oldest stepson,
Speaker 1: filmed with me and did things with me. But Joe's
Speaker 1: kids same thing, and we are all very close. So
Speaker 1: I think that's a very misconception. So people, that's the
Speaker 1: biggest insult. People love love to give me. Your kids
Speaker 1: hate you. You know, whenever they're upset with me on
Speaker 1: the show, they always try and stick it to me.
Speaker 1: Oh your own kids don't want to be around you,
Speaker 1: and you know my big reactions I you know, I
Speaker 1: want to stick it back and be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: buckle off, basically like.
Speaker 2: I'm with my kid.
Speaker 1: But I don't even have to prove that to anybody,
Speaker 1: because anybody who knows me in my town, anybody who
Speaker 1: I'm very blessed with the beautiful family and that's why
Speaker 1: I keep it so private.
Speaker 4: Well, look, you have page your dues on the rah
Speaker 4: hoswasal New Jersey. You are definitely one of the best
Speaker 4: additions on that show. Thank you, and I would like
Speaker 4: to see you continue. Before I let you go, I
Speaker 4: gotta get.
Speaker 2: One last question, and of course, lovey.
Speaker 4: If you could bring back any former housewife of New
Speaker 4: Jersey to join you wonderful ladies, who would it be
Speaker 4: And why I.
Speaker 1: Really would bring back Caroline Manzo. I've said it before
Speaker 1: because listen, she's been off air for a while, She's
Speaker 1: watched us. She has a different perspective. She knows, she's
Speaker 1: still good friends with Dolores, she knows some of these ladies,
Speaker 1: her and Teresa have been together, they filmed commercials together.
Speaker 1: There could be deep perspective there, there could be healing,
Speaker 1: and I think she would be good for the show.
Speaker 1: I think we could have a good time together and
Speaker 1: I think it could be an interesting perspective.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 1: And I think it's like Old Jersey meets New Jersey
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, and it'll all come
Speaker 1: full circle.
Speaker 4: As the king of reality TV, Margaret, I would have
Speaker 4: to read Yes, So, Margaret, my beauty, let the world
Speaker 4: know where they can find you. Folly support you and
Speaker 4: all those wonderful things.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Okay, can follow me at the
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Speaker 3: Love that? Love that?
Speaker 2: Thank you, Margaret, Thanks Carlos.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 4: When I say to you, I cannot wait until this
Speaker 4: upcoming season of the Real housewats on Jersey, there's so
Speaker 4: much tea that's being spilled. I mean, I think this
Speaker 4: may be one of their best seasons.
Speaker 3: And child, I can't wait.
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