Speaker 1: I would love the idea that you hear is all that.
Speaker 1: He soaks it all in and it's such a powerful
Speaker 1: moment where he finally sees that some of the things
Speaker 1: that he's been thinking and saying about black people all
Speaker 1: these years are problematic. And he goes back to his
Speaker 1: jail cell. He sits on his bed and Bill Cosby goes, Damn,
Speaker 1: maybe I did really rape those women, hud, just like Funk,
Speaker 1: I really mess kind. I am chips in your beds, racists,
Speaker 1: money stuff I can't tell me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me the
Speaker 1: podcast when we dive deep into the pockets of black
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan is a screamer in the bedroom. Sure the man
Speaker 1: was quiet his entire career. Five championships, and he never
Speaker 1: said a word out loud. When you get Tim Duncan's
Speaker 1: legs over his head and that motherfucker's gonna scream, I
Speaker 1: believe it. I'm gonna sell T shirts. Let's say Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan is a screamer in the bedroom. That's says something
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about. That's a little side project I'm working
Speaker 1: on as always. I am your host, Langston Kerman. And
Speaker 1: it is December twenty two, the day after we were
Speaker 1: supposed to get our superpowers, Black people. We were supposed
Speaker 1: to get our superpowers, and I still can't touch my toes.
Speaker 1: I have no ability to reach down to my toes. Now,
Speaker 1: if I did get a superpower like I was promise,
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with toe touching. I have
Speaker 1: not figured out yet what my superpower is. I was
Speaker 1: expecting my forty acres and a mule type strength. It
Speaker 1: is not kicked in yet. Please, if anyone knows what's
Speaker 1: going on with my superpowers, please send a message to me.
Speaker 1: I would love to be able to do some cool
Speaker 1: black ship like. I don't know, dunk I can't do that.
Speaker 1: I'd like to dun't. I don't even need fucking superpowers.
Speaker 1: Just let me dump. I don't know who I'm talking
Speaker 1: to it this point. I don't know if I'm asking
Speaker 1: the girl who made up the black superpowered conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: or if this is just me crying out to Jesus.
Speaker 1: If I'm saying, dear Jesus for Christmas. I'd like to dunk.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm thirty three and I need to
Speaker 1: grow up. Either way, we didn't get no superpowers, and
Speaker 1: that bitch was lying. That has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the podcast. Sometimes you just gotta share ship out loud
Speaker 1: so it doesn't feel like you're alone out in this world. Well,
Speaker 1: you know who's not alone out in this world. It's
Speaker 1: my guest today. He's got friends, he's got ship going on.
Speaker 1: He's a powerful man in the comedy industry. He's so funny,
Speaker 1: he's phenomenal. I love him so much. You know him
Speaker 1: from Solar Opposites. He was a writer on Solar Opposites.
Speaker 1: He's a writer on Star Trek Lower Decks. He is
Speaker 1: a hilarious comedian who you've seen on Comedy Central. Give
Speaker 1: it up for my friend, Mr Garrick. But now, how
Speaker 1: you guys doing. What's going on out there in crowd? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The crowd love they are. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan getting them screams now? I think you're right, bro.
Speaker 1: I think that Tim Duncan also can. That's how he
Speaker 1: won all those championships. Is fine putting his knees at
Speaker 1: his ears. You can only hit back forwards if you
Speaker 1: could put your ees behind your ears, like that's it.
Speaker 1: That's where he stayed nimble. He kept a loose bedroom
Speaker 1: and that kept that's obviously a man who is a
Speaker 1: pro in geometry. He knows his angles and he knows
Speaker 1: this is where you spot. That's how you make old
Speaker 1: timmy feel good. Yeah, yeah, Tim Dunkee, Sir, I just
Speaker 1: love the idea that that because we all have some
Speaker 1: ship that helps us get our repression out, like we
Speaker 1: all have a thing. And by all accounts, Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: has been completely silent as a human for over two
Speaker 1: decades decades really of like watching him on television, So
Speaker 1: there's got to be something weird he's into. That's why
Speaker 1: his whole outfit always all all of his outfits always
Speaker 1: fit weirdly because he needs that extra breathing room. You're
Speaker 1: a wild boy, Tim Duncan, please come on the podcast.
Speaker 1: We want to talk about it. Well, we can't talk
Speaker 1: about that anymore today because you brought conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: that I think is maybe one of the first conspirat
Speaker 1: c theories that I ever bought into as a child,
Speaker 1: and I ever genuinely. I think I believed, or at
Speaker 1: least thought to be real in the world. And I
Speaker 1: and you said, my mama told me sagging with your
Speaker 1: pants is gay. A hundred like that was tried and true,
Speaker 1: just to go to one that everybody just believed. Every adult,
Speaker 1: every barbershop, everyone like everybody was just like, not sacking
Speaker 1: your pants, that that means that you you were in prison.
Speaker 1: You went to prison and at some point you sagged
Speaker 1: your pants and everybody was like, Oh, that nick is available,
Speaker 1: like that that body is available. That's it me, I
Speaker 1: need it. I'm gonna get it. You know that that
Speaker 1: shop is open for business, you know, no mass needed.
Speaker 1: I'm in there. Okay. This is fascinating because you framed
Speaker 1: it in a way and the way that you just
Speaker 1: said it was that you go to jail and then
Speaker 1: you become available. You start to lower your pants, you
Speaker 1: sag your pants, and then you're open for business. Is
Speaker 1: that how you originally understood it. Yeah, that's through my
Speaker 1: pre internet deep dies. Everybody was like just the rumor
Speaker 1: mill was saying, you go to jail, you know, like
Speaker 1: if you sag your pants, that's your way of letting
Speaker 1: the world know. The jail world that you were, you
Speaker 1: were ready, like it was some kind of like weird
Speaker 1: open door policy. It's just like you, um, let's do
Speaker 1: it right. Prison doesn't teach people healthy communication, and so
Speaker 1: you learned signals in prison, and one of the signals
Speaker 1: apparently for coming out is showing your ass crowd to
Speaker 1: another human being. Where were you or how old were
Speaker 1: you when you feel like this theory came into your life?
Speaker 1: I think this had to be like thirteen, So there
Speaker 1: were two instances. It's, you know, your first instance where
Speaker 1: your mom is just like, all right, you're starting to
Speaker 1: enter into adulthood or slowly like creep into it. So
Speaker 1: here are the rules. You know, no fucking in my house,
Speaker 1: you know, and don't sack your fans, like like that's
Speaker 1: that's every black mother's first. That was certainly what my
Speaker 1: mom told me was like, hey, I don't care what
Speaker 1: you do. You ain't gonna have sex, and I'm me
Speaker 1: and your stepfather the only ones to have sex in here,
Speaker 1: and that she had other men who after she divorced
Speaker 1: my stepfather, who she also had sex with, and good
Speaker 1: for her, good for her for having the revolving door
Speaker 1: did come through because wait, a minute, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: he wasn't revolving, not covering some layers, wonders the saint
Speaker 1: Saint dude's been married four times, but the states all
Speaker 1: the same, and I I am proud of her for
Speaker 1: either way. She went, I'm so sorry, but no, it
Speaker 1: was it was you cannot have sex in the house,
Speaker 1: try not to, you know, have a girlfriend too soon,
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And it was nice, but everybody
Speaker 1: was saying, don't sag your pants, like from uncle's haunts.
Speaker 1: Everybody my my family's Caribbean also, so like they were
Speaker 1: trying to avoid any type of gay inkling or anything
Speaker 1: like that. They're very homophobic over there on that nobody
Speaker 1: has mastered homophobia better than people of the Caribbean. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, they're so good at it that they look
Speaker 1: very gay and still argue you that you're not gay.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I have an uncle that will wear the
Speaker 1: most flamboyant ship and then just be like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll beat your like, bro, he got a fish net
Speaker 1: fucking shirt on, nipples are hell out, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: what's going on over here? Whatever? Imagine sucking your teeth
Speaker 1: at the gay plot while wearing a mess tank time.
Speaker 1: That doesn't even make sense, but they find a way.
Speaker 1: Oh man, like in that community, their whole like their
Speaker 1: whole word for gay people's anti man. So like that's
Speaker 1: it's literally translated anti man. And that's the most disrespectful
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard in my life. It's funny, but
Speaker 1: it's disrespectful. Oh it's but it's I don't know. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're so weird and they have such like a
Speaker 1: lot of them just need to come out of the
Speaker 1: closet so they stop fighting each other. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, I think to your point, so much of
Speaker 1: homophobia is rooted in like, yeah, suppressed feelings, some of
Speaker 1: which is like, oh, you're you're gay, and you're struggling
Speaker 1: with that, and so you learn to outwardly hate the thing.
Speaker 1: But other parts of it is like you're more complicated
Speaker 1: it than gay or straight. You had both of these feelings,
Speaker 1: or you've been attracted to things that like, like you said,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker's in a mesh tank top. That ain't that
Speaker 1: ain't heteronormative by any traditional standards. So you like certain
Speaker 1: gay things, but you don't like the associations, and therefore
Speaker 1: you'll try to murder anything that makes you feel uncomfortably
Speaker 1: very like, there is no spectrum. It is black and
Speaker 1: white for them. It's just like, no, man, there's the
Speaker 1: shades of gray in there. It's cool to dabble on
Speaker 1: one side or the other, you know, don't be mad
Speaker 1: at yourself. But I don't know, like any time I
Speaker 1: see them at like Carnival or anything like that, and
Speaker 1: they're just wearing like the most like flamboyant thong basically
Speaker 1: you got a throng and peacock feathers on. You don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just like, what are you doing? Like we gotta
Speaker 1: talk about this. So okay, that was the moment at
Speaker 1: like thirteen or whatever, having like Uncle's come through and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But the other moment was in high
Speaker 1: school where I was just like I was already on
Speaker 1: the fence about the whole theory. People are just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they they're bringing in the jail stuff, and they're bringing
Speaker 1: in at this point, they're bringing in the fact that
Speaker 1: like you don't get belts in jail. So he was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, they're a little loose, you know, so
Speaker 1: your pants are down and all that stuff. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's some validity coming out. And then I was running
Speaker 1: track at Palisades High School and they were dedicating their
Speaker 1: track to Carl Lewis, the great four hundred meter sprinter,
Speaker 1: and I was sagging at the time, and Carl Lewis
Speaker 1: this like, I don't know, he's like six three six.
Speaker 1: He looked tall as ship from my like short perspective,
Speaker 1: comes up to me. Mind you very fluaboyant man, where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, all right, you might be hiding a
Speaker 1: little something over there. Man coming up to me and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know that if you sag, that means you're gay
Speaker 1: or something. And I'm just like, yo, I don't nigga,
Speaker 1: I don't know you bro, Like, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: got sag shamed by Carl the Great Carl Lewis. Gold
Speaker 1: medalists go to Olympic medalist, Carl Lewis. I got sluge
Speaker 1: shame by Car. Like, I'm just like, this is like
Speaker 1: prime jerk movement. You know, like everybody's wearing checkerboarded fucking
Speaker 1: skinny jeans, you know, the skinny Nobody knew what skinny
Speaker 1: jeans were at that point in time. So you're like
Speaker 1: honestly like you're wearing girls pants and they're not long enough.
Speaker 1: All you wanted was like the scrunch at the bottom
Speaker 1: or whatever, and for it to be a little tighter,
Speaker 1: so you sag sag. And when you're in high school,
Speaker 1: I think even more to that point, when you're in
Speaker 1: high school, you don't know that pants come in different
Speaker 1: like length. Like you're just like, all right, I'm a
Speaker 1: thirty two. I'm gonna buy some thirty twos. But then
Speaker 1: you realize you bought some thirty two and so now
Speaker 1: you got these little ass pants on, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: sat them. Yeah, you know, you gotta bring them a
Speaker 1: little loop because you're not gonna be like flooding in
Speaker 1: school or whatever. Like I mean, the you know, the
Speaker 1: Caffray's pants are in now, I guess. But you know, John,
Speaker 1: not one, not certainly, not when I was in high school. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: even when you were in high school, I don't think
Speaker 1: that that was the case, not at all. You you
Speaker 1: will get made fund up pretty pretty severely. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so like everybody kind of just had their pants kind
Speaker 1: of low, and it's just what it was, you know.
Speaker 1: So having Carl Lewis come up to you and say
Speaker 1: that it was devastating for me personally, because you'll never
Speaker 1: be fast if you got your pants like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, girl, Please give me something man like I need.
Speaker 1: It hurts. It hurt me to my core. And I
Speaker 1: mean since that day, I think my pants have been
Speaker 1: pretty much at my waist or at least a little
Speaker 1: bit lower. But this has been one that I just
Speaker 1: wanted to know just fully, like what it was, like,
Speaker 1: where it came from. I'm just generally curious about it.
Speaker 1: This is me not even coming with my own conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: but just like asking you as a conspiracy theory expert
Speaker 1: expert me on this sagging journey. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I could ever qualify as an expert. I think I'm
Speaker 1: a person who enjoys mayhem. I do enough research to
Speaker 1: stir up a negative version of the conversation that we
Speaker 1: otherwise could have resolved, like we could have been working
Speaker 1: towards solutions. But I was like, nah, if I read
Speaker 1: the rest of this article, that's gonna make me feel whole.
Speaker 1: And that ship right and the Robert Crost the road
Speaker 1: Less Travel. You know, it's like, where's the chaos over there?
Speaker 1: You know, where is that chaos? Well? Okay, so Carl
Speaker 1: Lewis told you to pull your damn pants that. What
Speaker 1: is your reaction in this moment? Do you immediately pull
Speaker 1: it up? Do you get defiant? What do you do? Um?
Speaker 1: I think you just cry. Um. It was just you
Speaker 1: pull them up. You pull them up, and then you
Speaker 1: you feel embarrassed, like especially if that's like the only
Speaker 1: thing a celebrity has said to you, or like somebody
Speaker 1: that yeah, you looked up to or look up to
Speaker 1: at that point in time, You're just like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is just what this is true. It immediately made it
Speaker 1: true for me because this isn't like a family member
Speaker 1: that you could go back and like research, Oh here
Speaker 1: is why they probably think this, or like there's no
Speaker 1: way that this person thinks this at all. For it,
Speaker 1: so you get, you know, qualified by somebody who has
Speaker 1: several gold medals, that just makes it try and true
Speaker 1: for you for sure. Yeah, that's it's a funked up
Speaker 1: thing that celebrity does to us, because celebrities. He was
Speaker 1: good at running. Yes, Carl Lewis was a great runner, right,
Speaker 1: that's about it. This tho I don't know nothing about fashion.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what what trends are happening in your
Speaker 1: high school. But he as a great runner, a man
Speaker 1: with gold medals, now gets to dictate to you, a child,
Speaker 1: how you should be wearing your clothes the threat of
Speaker 1: being raped, Yes, exactly, because that's essentially where it all
Speaker 1: comes from, is that everybody is just so afraid of
Speaker 1: rape and jail that they're just like making up all
Speaker 1: the different ways to avoid it, at least like don't
Speaker 1: drop the soap, you know, don't wear your hands underneath
Speaker 1: your but because that's like a way in or all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and that just comes out to you know,
Speaker 1: the real world or whatever, and rows these weird roots
Speaker 1: and turns into these weird conspiracies that and it's even
Speaker 1: more complicated in that the threat is rape, but it
Speaker 1: also is being presented under the guise of consent, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So it is it is men consenting
Speaker 1: to pull down their pants as a signal of wanting
Speaker 1: what sex or sex in jail, while simultaneously threatening everyone
Speaker 1: else with rape, which is like this confused metaphor that
Speaker 1: only a bunch of homophobes could have come up with.
Speaker 1: Come up with, Okay, So I also think that like
Speaker 1: the Arian Brotherhood came up with this. Okay, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I don't wanna goddamn minute. Hold on now, I feel
Speaker 1: like you're about to get into something wild, something devastating,
Speaker 1: something that I had never heard. I've never heard anyone
Speaker 1: say this before. But I'm genuinely curious about this. So
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do is give you thirty seconds. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go into a game I like to call talk
Speaker 1: that talk, and I'm gonna give you thirty seconds to
Speaker 1: talk your talk about why the Arian Brotherhood may have
Speaker 1: come up with this theory about sagging. Are you ready
Speaker 1: talk that talk? Garrett? All right? So I think that
Speaker 1: the Arian Brotherhood came up with this ship because they
Speaker 1: see all these black dudes coming in and they're just
Speaker 1: like sagging their pants, looking dope as fun at all
Speaker 1: times that the sprune at the bottom, and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: these things are corny. They gotta be corny. We gotta
Speaker 1: come up with some reason to have them be corny.
Speaker 1: So let's just say that the only reason why they're
Speaker 1: sagging their pants is because they're probably gay, their buddies out,
Speaker 1: they want to get funks. And I said, we gotta
Speaker 1: demasculate the black man somehow, so let's just say the
Speaker 1: thing that they think is cool, it's corny and ship,
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna make its way to the streets
Speaker 1: and it's gonna you know, run rampant, damn the completely
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's deep. Wow. So this was like not
Speaker 1: only some prison rivalry ship where where you're creating a
Speaker 1: narrative about your enemies, but it also functions on it
Speaker 1: even higher racial level. We're going to introduce the premise
Speaker 1: that all all black men coming into this hyper masculine
Speaker 1: space are less masculine than they theoretically would be or
Speaker 1: should be. Kind of thing, right, you look at any
Speaker 1: like hoking dude, and I do that often. It's just
Speaker 1: what I do, and I just right, I try to
Speaker 1: think of all the reasons why I am not that
Speaker 1: or like why I am at least on par with
Speaker 1: this person. And you come up with silly ship all
Speaker 1: the time, like he's just like, oh man, look at
Speaker 1: this naked shoes. His shoes are bad. He got little,
Speaker 1: he got little calves is he look at his Look
Speaker 1: at how small his ankles are, you know, And it's
Speaker 1: just like it's something silly to support the fact that
Speaker 1: this naked at any day I can talk to your
Speaker 1: girlfriend and you can't do shit about it. Absolutely, he'll
Speaker 1: beat the funk out of you. You know the the
Speaker 1: amount of times that I picked apart another man for
Speaker 1: the sake of comforting myself in my own insecurities, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I don't I'm not okay
Speaker 1: with me. So I'm gonna make this dude somehow less
Speaker 1: himself because my ship ain't popping. I do it all
Speaker 1: the time, all the time. Just let Niga be dark
Speaker 1: skin in like like we just oh you know my secret.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to keep you all from being dark skinned,
Speaker 1: black ass out of your motherfucker. Yeah, I love this.
Speaker 1: So I do think at the essence of what we're saying,
Speaker 1: whether it is the work of the area nation or
Speaker 1: just our own self hatred, what it is it is fear.
Speaker 1: It's at the root of this is a lot of
Speaker 1: people being afraid of a new threat or a change
Speaker 1: in their world and subsequently trying to find a way
Speaker 1: to protect themselves against that. And the only way they
Speaker 1: could come up with this to be like that's get
Speaker 1: It's as easy as that. Honestly, everybody has always said it.
Speaker 1: It's literally the easiest punch line is like something like
Speaker 1: that's gay, it's lazy, it's corny, all that stuff, But
Speaker 1: me saying that you are less of a man is
Speaker 1: the only real way to hurt you. And that's that
Speaker 1: to me, is I think where I learned because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, having grown up in the early two thousands,
Speaker 1: I am not exempt from having made gay people the
Speaker 1: punch line of of many of my jokes at a
Speaker 1: certain point in my life. And I think that to
Speaker 1: me was when I really sort of had the breakthrough.
Speaker 1: And it's a shame it wasn't a breakthrough and sort
Speaker 1: of recognizing my own sort of dehumanizing of another person.
Speaker 1: But I do think the breakthrough in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways was gay people being like, hey, bro, I've heard
Speaker 1: that joke before me being like, oh damn, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be hacky, like having like comedian ideals
Speaker 1: in high school. And he's like, fun man, that's people
Speaker 1: been saying that you don't thinking funny dog that I've
Speaker 1: been writing this material for years and the funny but
Speaker 1: he told me this has been hacked. That's at the
Speaker 1: end of it, right, So you're telling me that's saying
Speaker 1: something is gay is hack, but okay, but I can
Speaker 1: pretend to do my mom's accent, right like that that's cool, right, dog,
Speaker 1: Like I just wait, wait wait, I could still compare
Speaker 1: black people to white people and say how we different.
Speaker 1: But but that's that's okay, right, that's okay. It's like
Speaker 1: that's a little hack. But like, also there is the
Speaker 1: other aspect that gay black men are some of the
Speaker 1: funniest people on the planet, hilarious. I always equate like
Speaker 1: black man's a gay black man is equal to Goku
Speaker 1: to super Saian th Goku. It's just it's just a
Speaker 1: better like they're just funnier at it. They're better at it.
Speaker 1: And so for a funny like probably always the funniest
Speaker 1: person in the room coming up to you saying like,
Speaker 1: oh yo, those those gay jokes they're they're not funny.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, so I'll past my biases and write
Speaker 1: some new jokes and like. And that's the thing. It
Speaker 1: really forced me to reflect on why I thought it
Speaker 1: was funny in the first place, because it wasn't coming
Speaker 1: from a place of hatred. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: looked at any group of people and been like I
Speaker 1: genuinely despised you or what you represent. But jokes are jokes,
Speaker 1: and if you can get a laugh, you can get
Speaker 1: a laugh. But like you said, having the funniest motherfucker
Speaker 1: come up to you and be like that, s it
Speaker 1: ain't funny, man, I'm not charismatic enough to walk my
Speaker 1: way through that, and they'll they'll fire your ass up
Speaker 1: to like being read by a gay blacker is devastating.
Speaker 1: It's that's why I think Carl Lewis cartis secretly gay
Speaker 1: and he didn't tell nobody gay. Carl Louk and you
Speaker 1: hurt Garrick and you did, can come out and apologize
Speaker 1: to Garrick and he'll pull his pants up and we'll
Speaker 1: be even. All right, We're gonna take a break and
Speaker 1: we'll be back with more. And my mama told me
Speaker 1: and more, but not and we are that you got
Speaker 1: what I need. Yeah, we're back here with more character more.
Speaker 1: And my mama told me. We're still talking about sagging
Speaker 1: pants and the sort of cooked in homophobia that led
Speaker 1: so many of us to believe that by having our
Speaker 1: butt crack showing we were in fact flagging our homosexuality
Speaker 1: for the world. At what point did you stop sagging
Speaker 1: was that Carl Lewis moment, the exact moment that you
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I can't do this no more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Carl Lewis's moment. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you try to run from getting jumped and you tripped.
Speaker 1: Every now and again, it happens. This was like also
Speaker 1: during the time when people would like put their jeans
Speaker 1: underneath like their chucks somehow, like you're the length was
Speaker 1: a little too long, you know, so you have to
Speaker 1: like cut the bottoms or whatever. But I think that's
Speaker 1: what it was. It was like before the taper bottoms
Speaker 1: and before all of that stuff. It just felt weird
Speaker 1: to sag for me, and I want I've always been
Speaker 1: at an obedient type, you know, like I just I
Speaker 1: like rules before. I follow the rules all the time,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, all right, cool man,
Speaker 1: Like this is the second adult or second group of
Speaker 1: adults that have told me to put my pants on
Speaker 1: my way, So I was like, all right, I'll just
Speaker 1: I'll just do it. Yeah, you know, you're also who
Speaker 1: knows what the real word is? Like these are people
Speaker 1: coming through and saying like, oh this is you'll seem
Speaker 1: less respectable if you have pants with all your waists
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I mean, I think I think
Speaker 1: similar to and and it's not exactly what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but I think that at a certain point I did
Speaker 1: start to recognize that what I thought was cool had
Speaker 1: no functionality, you know what I mean That Like, I
Speaker 1: was sagging my pants because it made me feel closer
Speaker 1: to my peers or made me look like what I
Speaker 1: thought was like a cool image out in the world.
Speaker 1: But then it was like, hey man, this is not
Speaker 1: good to walk like. It's not easy to walk this way,
Speaker 1: and it might sit. Okay, So I remember running track.
Speaker 1: You you go to like a chiropractor every now and again,
Speaker 1: and my pants were low or whatever, and he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you realize that this is like sucking up your your
Speaker 1: hip flexures or whatever. That that is so like because
Speaker 1: you have to keep your hip in a certain way
Speaker 1: in order to do that. So it throws off you're
Speaker 1: running when you're running down or whatever. It'll make your
Speaker 1: feet flare and make you like duck footed a little
Speaker 1: bit so, and it will make them really tight and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So that was another reason this is starting. Okay,
Speaker 1: now this is starting to scare me a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why, because it's starting to make
Speaker 1: me think that maybe sagging was introduced in some sort
Speaker 1: of intentional way to ruin a collective like the collective
Speaker 1: hip flexors of all black men, so that we were
Speaker 1: less limber and less capable previously couldn't access the quick
Speaker 1: twitches exactly. You know, we got these thick slave legs,
Speaker 1: and they're like, how can we slow these niggers down?
Speaker 1: They got to introduce a fashion where they tie belts
Speaker 1: around their thighs to keep them from so quickly. This
Speaker 1: is this is again. The cops are just like, they
Speaker 1: keep on getting away from us. You got to figure
Speaker 1: something out, man, What if we somehow put like a
Speaker 1: rope around there. I'm not saying I'm not saying Butt's
Speaker 1: saying I belt maybe uh maybe something. Oh man, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into some of this research. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I quickly discovered is that
Speaker 1: sagging as we are referring to it, also in relation
Speaker 1: to this sort of jail premise. This prison premise had
Speaker 1: other names, and one of the things that I read
Speaker 1: it was at certain points called is jailing that like,
Speaker 1: if you were sagging your pants. A. A sling for
Speaker 1: that was jailing, which I had never heard, and kind
Speaker 1: of feels like white people made that one up. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a little too on the nose. Yeah, clever,
Speaker 1: They're gonna have another word for it, not just literal
Speaker 1: term jailing. That isn't all right. And to your point,
Speaker 1: the way it's written, it's like j A I L
Speaker 1: I n apostrophe And that feels like, you know, like
Speaker 1: a white marketing tad sat down. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't pronounce their ga right. This is very much
Speaker 1: like a black's rule on my garage term for sure, exactly.
Speaker 1: So the other term that I heard or read rather
Speaker 1: that feels much more like black people came up with
Speaker 1: is PBS or prison bitch syndrome. Not public broadcasters. No
Speaker 1: prison bitch syndrome. Uh you know that syndrome you get
Speaker 1: when you expose your butt crack to another man in prison,
Speaker 1: And I love that so much. So one of the
Speaker 1: things that I quickly found in my research is that
Speaker 1: the theory that this is a sort of flagging of
Speaker 1: your homosexuality in prison is completely false. There's no evidence
Speaker 1: that this was in any way a trend within the
Speaker 1: jail system. To your earlier point, the issue of taking
Speaker 1: people's belts away and taking people's shoelaces away and anything
Speaker 1: that would have been used to tie up your clothing
Speaker 1: was one of the major sort of starting points for
Speaker 1: where sagging, at least in theory, was born, right that, like,
Speaker 1: you take somebody's belt away, and then you hand a
Speaker 1: regular sized to triple X size jumpsuit, and so it's
Speaker 1: going to be falling off of his body, and then
Speaker 1: he naturally is going to try to figure out a
Speaker 1: way to look cool despite the fact that his clothes
Speaker 1: don't fit through adversity. I think is will always be
Speaker 1: cool at any time, doesn't matter. It raised like the
Speaker 1: phoenix you are, I guess I exactly. And so one
Speaker 1: of the things that it immediately made me think about
Speaker 1: is how sort of wild it is that we immediately
Speaker 1: jumped to weaponizing sagging against kids and against young people
Speaker 1: as like this dangerous, ugly thing and completely ignore the
Speaker 1: fact that the entire thing was born out of limited
Speaker 1: resources and fucked up circumstances that we put people in
Speaker 1: when they go to prison. Do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about the fact that these people are
Speaker 1: a small person is being given oversized clothes and no
Speaker 1: chance of wearing the clothes properly. We're just like, hey, right,
Speaker 1: it's just like, just get me better fitting close that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm funneling so much money into this place. Why why
Speaker 1: can't I get better clothes? You know? It's I don't know.
Speaker 1: It feels weirdly like a punishment that they always do
Speaker 1: that they can always justify and saying like, oh, we
Speaker 1: can give them shitty food all the time, like food,
Speaker 1: food with baggots in them. We can have them in
Speaker 1: chain gangs, that we can do solitary confinement because we
Speaker 1: are punishing these people, but they're still like people. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day. What do you really trying
Speaker 1: to do? What do you what does this teach anybody
Speaker 1: other than the fact that I don't trust belts hold
Speaker 1: my pants up, so I'm just going to, you know,
Speaker 1: hold them up by my you know, with my arm
Speaker 1: or something like that. Exactly. It's this ugly sort of
Speaker 1: manipulation where you claim like, oh, you couldn't handle belts,
Speaker 1: you're not a decent enough, reasonable enough person to handle
Speaker 1: having your shoe strings in there, and then shame the
Speaker 1: person after you take their ship away that otherwise would
Speaker 1: keep their clothing in place. Yeah, it's it's yet another trap.
Speaker 1: You didn't give me belts, So now I'm getting like,
Speaker 1: so now it has anything to do with my sexuality.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make it easy. It doesn't track for me.
Speaker 1: It's it's exactly Yeah. So here's where it gets even
Speaker 1: more complicated is because of this trend. And this again
Speaker 1: is all theory, but because of this trend, rappers pick
Speaker 1: it up right and it becomes sort of like a
Speaker 1: cool way of signaling that, like you're a person from
Speaker 1: the streets, so you know the streets is by sagging
Speaker 1: your pants, your iced tease, you're yeah, you're fucking two shorts.
Speaker 1: They all start sagging in the early nineties as a
Speaker 1: way of being like, I'm part of this culture that
Speaker 1: you know, lets the listeners know. Which how it becomes
Speaker 1: popularized in urban America if you will, And you know
Speaker 1: what I want to say that it could have been
Speaker 1: like this really nice, beautiful moment where it's just like yo,
Speaker 1: Pooky's coming home, blah blah blah, you have your coming
Speaker 1: home party and it's nice. He comes home, pants are sagging.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like normal fitting jeans anymore, Right, everybody, pull
Speaker 1: your pants, everybody, I'm coming home, coming home, everybody before
Speaker 1: he pants out. For Pookie, he's feeling weird about this,
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and then everybody is like, let's just
Speaker 1: wear Let's just do a year, a year of pants
Speaker 1: sagging for Pooky. I love the idea of them doing
Speaker 1: a walk. They organized it, yeah, tim k where they
Speaker 1: just they walk in circles with stagging pants from I
Speaker 1: love that so much. And Pookie is like there he's
Speaker 1: he's sitting on the sidelines crying because he's devastated. That's
Speaker 1: the other thing. Jail destroys a person. Yeah, he is devastated.
Speaker 1: He's sad. He doesn't know like if he can have
Speaker 1: a belt or not. He's asking his mom can he
Speaker 1: go out again? Like a year old man, And we're
Speaker 1: just like, yo, he just needs to comfort this man.
Speaker 1: And too Short took it upon himself to make it cool,
Speaker 1: like a goddamn hero. He was like he swooped in
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, man, y'all are going through some ship.
Speaker 1: They're treating you poorly. They're giving you no resources to
Speaker 1: be human. Beings are treating you like animals. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna show a little bit
Speaker 1: of allegiance and shine like you in my videos and
Speaker 1: instead a bunch of people. And this is where the
Speaker 1: complication sort of becomes even more complicated. Turned it into
Speaker 1: a signal of gang violence and danger in the black
Speaker 1: community because they're afraid of what too Short sagging in
Speaker 1: allegiance with his brother or friends or whoever represented it
Speaker 1: always steps back to that stuff. They always try to
Speaker 1: bring it back to, oh, this person. I don't think
Speaker 1: most people who have been to jail come out and
Speaker 1: are just like, no, I want to I want to
Speaker 1: go back to the streets. They don't want. They have to.
Speaker 1: They might have to, they might have to provide or
Speaker 1: something like that, but I don't think they really like,
Speaker 1: just this is just what I do. I love being
Speaker 1: poor and shooting niggas in the left. Nobody nobody really
Speaker 1: wants to do that, you know. Like, so for you
Speaker 1: to just equate it back to the gang violence rather
Speaker 1: than like digging deep on this situation, it's just such
Speaker 1: a troubling thing. Like it it's being mad at the
Speaker 1: pants and not being mad at what the pants represent
Speaker 1: or with the essence of where this culture sort of
Speaker 1: was born two punchlines deep. You realize, Oh, they don't
Speaker 1: have pants that fit in jail. That's why, because we're not,
Speaker 1: they're they're treating them incorrectly. You know, they're being pieces
Speaker 1: of ship to them exactly, They're not giving them their
Speaker 1: basic human needs. So so one of the things that
Speaker 1: I found that I think ties into this very well
Speaker 1: is that the journey of sagging pants and baggy clothes
Speaker 1: actually follows a very similar trajectory to that of the
Speaker 1: zoop suit. You know, the zoop suit of old fashioned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the big old Steve Harvey joint. Yeah, he tries to
Speaker 1: bring that back so so hard. And when he tries, Steve,
Speaker 1: you got that mustache, man, I shoulders ain't supposed to
Speaker 1: be that big Steve. You gotta you gotta relax man.
Speaker 1: So so the zoot suit apparently was similarly born from
Speaker 1: a type of limited resources that in the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 1: black and brown people made it popular. Mexican people and
Speaker 1: black people in America made it popular because they started
Speaker 1: putting on these oversized soups, and some people speculated that
Speaker 1: the reason their suits were oversized was because they didn't
Speaker 1: have the resources to go get them tailored like other
Speaker 1: white people were getting them tailored. So it became kind
Speaker 1: of a style, right, and this is a style that's
Speaker 1: similar to sagging pants. People treated like it was like
Speaker 1: hoodlum ship. They would basically associate anybody in an oversized
Speaker 1: suit with being a gangster or being like a bad
Speaker 1: person in society, much like they did later with Dashiki's
Speaker 1: and afros in the sixties and seventies. So it is
Speaker 1: always just like, oh, what are nigg is doing? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's bad, that's bad. There it is. Look, I don't
Speaker 1: like it. There's something wrong with that one. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: And that's how I like. Even thinking back, the only
Speaker 1: time I I can remember a suit suit is somebody
Speaker 1: having a Tommy gun attached, like somebody like shooting that
Speaker 1: car or something like that. And that's another weird thing
Speaker 1: is that it's always a white person doing it. Boom,
Speaker 1: now you're talking about come on, man, the third eye
Speaker 1: is a little crusty, but it's open, open that mother.
Speaker 1: But it's always a white gangster doing it. And yet
Speaker 1: it's always equated to black or brown bad behavior. And
Speaker 1: so that's the essence of the danger of the way
Speaker 1: that white capitalism manipulates things, right, is that not only
Speaker 1: do you demonize us US black and brown people wearing
Speaker 1: these clothes, but then you manipulated enough so that you
Speaker 1: can use it for popular culture, so that you can
Speaker 1: create a film where a white gangster wears a big
Speaker 1: suit and shoots the Tommy gun, and you gain money
Speaker 1: off of those resources. You gain popularity from this imagery
Speaker 1: while simultaneously keeping that image connected to poor people who
Speaker 1: otherwise are only doing it because this is all they had.
Speaker 1: Exactly at the end of the day, everybody just loves
Speaker 1: to watch like a good juxtaposition right there, Just like
Speaker 1: if I just see if I saw a machine Gun
Speaker 1: Kelly sagging his fans and with Hella tattoos, Just like, man,
Speaker 1: it's this is interesting. I like, I like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: listen to his music. I like the way he raps.
Speaker 1: He's a good rapper, and he's like he's fine anyway.
Speaker 1: But like, but to your point, I think you want
Speaker 1: to know his origin story. You want to know how
Speaker 1: machine Gun Kelly ended up that way because of the
Speaker 1: way that they've manipulated the imagery, and associations in America
Speaker 1: were less interested in finding out how the black version
Speaker 1: of machine gun Kelly got the way that he is,
Speaker 1: even though they probably have equally interesting journeys. Could you
Speaker 1: just be yourself for a second, I would truly love
Speaker 1: it and appreciate it because I know that there was
Speaker 1: no type of adversity that caused you to sag your
Speaker 1: pants or wear a big suit or anything like that.
Speaker 1: You can afford a taylor, you can afford a belt.
Speaker 1: So where are we going? What do we what are we?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? What made you choose that? Outside
Speaker 1: of the fact that you saw a cool black person
Speaker 1: doing it? Exactly where did this actually matter to you?
Speaker 1: Or where you actually committed to this culture in real
Speaker 1: necessary way. So here's here's where it gets even more fascinating.
Speaker 1: Is I actually dug up a bunch of times throughout
Speaker 1: recent history where sagging was actual, laws were sort of
Speaker 1: created against sagging. People were actively trying to send people
Speaker 1: to jail or criminalize sagging in a way that was punishable. So,
Speaker 1: first example, in May two thousand and four, Louisiana lawmakers
Speaker 1: attempted passing a bill sixty six basically made it a
Speaker 1: crime to wear clothing in public that intentionally exposes undergarments
Speaker 1: or intentionally exposes any portion of the pubic hair, cleft
Speaker 1: of the buttocks or genitals. All right, Okay, so is
Speaker 1: this before or I and I don't know is this
Speaker 1: before or after? It's after the Willennium? Is after the Willennium?
Speaker 1: We have established that it is after the Willennium? Um,
Speaker 1: but is this before after the abolishment of Portlands being
Speaker 1: a sundowntown or like just no black people being allowed
Speaker 1: in Oregon because there are so many of those institutions
Speaker 1: or what have you that are just overlooked that nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about what white people are doing and how
Speaker 1: they're fucked up or anything like that. They've been love
Speaker 1: Craft Country and us in Portland's since it had to
Speaker 1: event since like it was like a really early time.
Speaker 1: I think to the greater point, there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: like weird laws that get introduced that couldn't possibly be
Speaker 1: reasonable laws, But because you guys are in charge, you
Speaker 1: get to make them seem reasonable, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you get to like For another example, in two thousand five,
Speaker 1: Virginia House delegates basically created a thing called Droopie Drawers Bill,
Speaker 1: where it was a fifty dollar fine for people who
Speaker 1: wore anything that was considered lewd or indecent, and that
Speaker 1: again is subjective as far as lewd and indecent. It
Speaker 1: it's completely up for grabs. Another example in T sixteen
Speaker 1: in Ocala, Florida, they successfully pushed to prohibit the style
Speaker 1: of city on property. And we're offering like basically charging
Speaker 1: people a five dollar fine or six months in jail
Speaker 1: if they got caught wearing the wrong type of clothes.
Speaker 1: Six months in priss, six months in jail. So we're
Speaker 1: going back to where it started. So I can come
Speaker 1: back out with another thing that you're just going to
Speaker 1: fuck me over with because you're not doing your job
Speaker 1: with like clothing people correctly in prison. You take my
Speaker 1: resources away, you create a culture that allows me to
Speaker 1: mimic my stolen resources as a way of at least
Speaker 1: feeling whole as a person, and then you make feeling
Speaker 1: whole as a person for me punishable by taking away
Speaker 1: the only other resource I have, which is money and freedom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fucking oh my god. I I am trying to like
Speaker 1: come up with points or anything like that, but it
Speaker 1: is it's just so baffling, or like it's just so
Speaker 1: crazy to fucking watch the like the cycle continue and
Speaker 1: like just hear it so plainly laid out, because you know,
Speaker 1: again I didn't know what where the like deep confines
Speaker 1: of sagging, like where it came from and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, just having it laid out so plainly is, yeah,
Speaker 1: it don't help you sleep. Here's here's my personal favorite,
Speaker 1: and this one actually did make me laugh out loud.
Speaker 1: And Pikeville, Tennessee officials basically created something or started they
Speaker 1: were trying to create one of these laws the same way,
Speaker 1: and they claimed that sagging was leading to a larger
Speaker 1: health crisis related to improper gate of the saggers, meaning
Speaker 1: like they were walking different because of having sagged and
Speaker 1: it was ruining their bodies. The mayor even pointed to
Speaker 1: a study from a dude name Mark oliver Man's bag
Speaker 1: of the National American Medical Association that's supposedly found out
Speaker 1: that eight intent staggers suffered from sexual problems like premature ejaculation.
Speaker 1: How this isn't this, bro is it? Now? We're like
Speaker 1: now we're back to it. It's just like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's got to be doing something because yeah, sexual because
Speaker 1: it's got to emasculate the black band. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing to your point, it's okay. We tried to call
Speaker 1: them gay. Gay didn't work. Now they're they're starting to
Speaker 1: recognize that gay. Isn't it a bad thing? Or it
Speaker 1: isn't as scary as we try to make it out
Speaker 1: to be. But you know what, we can tell them
Speaker 1: the dick's gonna stop working. And if they believe that
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a leaky dick, that's it. That's it. Hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna come too fast in the bitch and you
Speaker 1: no more so you don't want to do what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? You put your pants something? I don't know.
Speaker 1: The improper gate is also like what I was talking about,
Speaker 1: like the duck footing or whatever. It's like that stuff
Speaker 1: goes away after like a good couple, like stretches, stretch
Speaker 1: for a little bits a few times, you'll be all right,
Speaker 1: You're good to go. But you saying I am going
Speaker 1: to be prematurely, prematurely ejaculated. It's just the wildest ship.
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh my god, you you couldn't think
Speaker 1: of anything better? Nah? Where is that jump? Like what
Speaker 1: are they saying? Are they saying that it's like cutting
Speaker 1: off blood flow. Oh know. To be clear, it later
Speaker 1: was discovered that the person and the study do not
Speaker 1: exist and was just repeating ship he read on the internet,
Speaker 1: so it ain't cutting off ship. There was no information
Speaker 1: about it. He was just like, hey, I heard aiding
Speaker 1: ten of y'all come to fans and trying to insert
Speaker 1: a fine afterwards based off of it. This is why
Speaker 1: old people shouldn't be allowed on the internet at all.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be you shouldn't be able to have infinite knowledge.
Speaker 1: I think. To the greater point of all of this,
Speaker 1: old people shouldn't be allowed to dictate ship in the
Speaker 1: world at all. You shouldn't be able to tell me
Speaker 1: anything because you haven't lived in the real world for
Speaker 1: a while. Like this, it's going back to you know,
Speaker 1: you telling kids that they shouldn't sack their pants or
Speaker 1: what have you, because you haven't reach the real world.
Speaker 1: You have been so far removed from what society actually is.
Speaker 1: Once you reached like let me say sixty, Let me
Speaker 1: just throw that age up there. You don't love, you
Speaker 1: don't know anything anymore, you know, and so just chill,
Speaker 1: just shut the funk up, just chill, go play a
Speaker 1: little fucking bedazzled game on Facebook by that game. Play
Speaker 1: that game where you try to get the ball into
Speaker 1: the cup over and over again. Play that and leave
Speaker 1: your kids alone, Leave me alone, go stare out the
Speaker 1: windows or something. Old people, if you're listening, just shut
Speaker 1: the funk up and uh, we'll take another break, and
Speaker 1: I hope you shut the funk up the whole time
Speaker 1: and listen to the commercials and we'll be back with more.
Speaker 1: G Bernard And my mama told me, and we are
Speaker 1: that ye dress you want you you could do? So
Speaker 1: you you do you can? You want? You want him
Speaker 1: to do you more. My mama told me it's the
Speaker 1: longest drop I have and I love it so much.
Speaker 1: That nigga spitting And we're still talking about sagging pants
Speaker 1: and the possible just sort of like elderly white tyranny
Speaker 1: cooked underneath all of the media, the marketing around sagging pants. Okay,
Speaker 1: one of the most famous people, I would say, most
Speaker 1: iconic figures, infamous figures at this point, whoever weighed in
Speaker 1: on sagging pants, and there have been a few. Barack
Speaker 1: Obama had a quote about it where he basically said, look,
Speaker 1: I don't think people should go to jail for it.
Speaker 1: But like your grandma was watching Pull Up Your Pants,
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey said some ship under his mustache about it.
Speaker 1: Bill Ingvol weighed in on sagging Pants, where he, of
Speaker 1: course said something pretty racist, although it was under the
Speaker 1: mask of a joke, so I guess it was okay,
Speaker 1: who knows. But the most infamous of them is Bill Cosby,
Speaker 1: the cos and he became infamous in his thoughts on
Speaker 1: sagging pants when he gave a speech that is now
Speaker 1: known as the pound Cake Speech where he basically goes
Speaker 1: on a long, rant, long run about what black people
Speaker 1: need to do to better themselves in their own communities.
Speaker 1: And So what I would like to do is play
Speaker 1: a game with you. This is a brand new game
Speaker 1: called I don't think Bill Cosby is as good as
Speaker 1: he claims he is. He and you gotta say, still faces,
Speaker 1: that ship still slepts, and I don't get or if
Speaker 1: he did what he did. Okay, So what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do with you, what I think we should do, is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you some snippets from this famous speech
Speaker 1: and I just would love for you to unpack your
Speaker 1: thoughts on it as we go along. Things You're loving
Speaker 1: things you're hating things, You're uncomfortable with things that maybe
Speaker 1: were a clearer identifier that Bill Cosby was in fact
Speaker 1: the monster that we now know him to be much earlier. Cool.
Speaker 1: I'll get us started. Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic
Speaker 1: and lower middle class economic people are holding their end
Speaker 1: in this deal in the neighborhood that most of us
Speaker 1: grew up in. Parenting is not going on. People clapped.
Speaker 1: In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every
Speaker 1: drawn shade was an eye. And before your mother got
Speaker 1: off the bus into the house, she knew exactly where
Speaker 1: you had gone, who had gone into the house, and
Speaker 1: where you got on whatever you had on, and where
Speaker 1: you got it from. Parents don't know that today. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but parents do know not to put fucking Ophiois in
Speaker 1: people's dreams. You silly bitch. I'll tre you. Parenting is
Speaker 1: not going on. I think that was the first thing
Speaker 1: my mom told me before. She was like, hey, if
Speaker 1: you see a young lady at a club, don't put
Speaker 1: anything in a drink because that is weird. You're weirdough
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. Yeah, that's their So
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby clearly did not have that part of the talk,
Speaker 1: But he did have the part of the talk where
Speaker 1: he was like, you gotta stare out your window at
Speaker 1: kids and know where they're going at all times. You don't.
Speaker 1: They're fine, Okay, let's get this party going. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about these people who cry when their son is standing
Speaker 1: there in an orange suit. Where were you when he
Speaker 1: was two? People clap? Where were you when he was twelve?
Speaker 1: People really clap? Where were you when he was eighteen?
Speaker 1: And how come you don't know he had a pistol clapping, clapping, clap,
Speaker 1: And where is his father? And why don't you know
Speaker 1: where he is? And why doesn't the father show up
Speaker 1: to talk to this boy. I was at work. I
Speaker 1: work three jobs. Keep this through over whatever. People are
Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, my mom came to see my play.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's congratulation. I like, my mom was
Speaker 1: at work during the day and then she went to
Speaker 1: school at night, so I think I would see her
Speaker 1: every now and again, Like my kind love that your
Speaker 1: mom was just a hard working roommate. She was just
Speaker 1: a hard working roommate like I. I I would see her, sure,
Speaker 1: but she would be like in the room or something
Speaker 1: like that. And you would knock on a a door like mom,
Speaker 1: you okay, get away, I'm studying from board, you know, exam.
Speaker 1: I can't have my eyes open. Yet it wasn't too hard, right, right,
Speaker 1: and like at a two parent household or whatever, So
Speaker 1: fuck you o Cosby, And I still say until Carl
Speaker 1: Lewis told me not to, but until a different old
Speaker 1: black man yelled at me about this, right, but he
Speaker 1: was also working, Like there are certain things that you
Speaker 1: just kind of have to let your kid learn and
Speaker 1: understand and like be independent about. And to Bill Cosby's
Speaker 1: stupid point, like parenting is short still going on, but
Speaker 1: there are some gaps because you have to work because
Speaker 1: we live in a society where black people aren't given
Speaker 1: the best opportunities, so they have to like constantly have
Speaker 1: jobs at all all times. And until we have wealth,
Speaker 1: then we can like talk about like, oh, I'm here
Speaker 1: all of the time. And I think, I think to
Speaker 1: that grander point, that's the danger of the way that
Speaker 1: so much of this has been sort of put to
Speaker 1: us all of these years, is that there is a
Speaker 1: deep allegiance between me and Bill Cosby because we are
Speaker 1: both black, when in fact, the difference in our wealth
Speaker 1: is so vast that we actually have zero to negative
Speaker 1: ship in common in you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: we don't actually have anything tied together because you have
Speaker 1: all that money and I don't. Our day to day
Speaker 1: ain't the same. The fact that we're black is just
Speaker 1: a technicality. Bro. Yeah, it's truly so. He's so far
Speaker 1: moved from any type of adversity happening to him. If
Speaker 1: you were to bring up that, the fact that where zoos,
Speaker 1: like where Zu Sus came from, he would give you
Speaker 1: the response, why didn't those niggts get their pants tailored?
Speaker 1: It's just like you're missing the entire point, Mr fucking
Speaker 1: dumb Sweater, Like, now now you got him? I don't
Speaker 1: know you goofy switter ban, like, leave me alone. I
Speaker 1: can't afford a tailored Were you not listening to me
Speaker 1: this entire time? Okay, I'm gonna hit you with one
Speaker 1: more quote. This one's I think maybe my favorite. There
Speaker 1: are a bunch of really wild ones where he accuses
Speaker 1: women of having six or seven babies by six or
Speaker 1: seven baby daddy's and it's a lot of wild ship,
Speaker 1: but this is my favorite. He says, are you not
Speaker 1: paying attention? People? With their hat on backwards, pants down
Speaker 1: around the crack. Isn't that a sign of something? Or
Speaker 1: are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?
Speaker 1: Laughing and clapping? Isn't it a sign of something when
Speaker 1: she's got her dress all the way up to the
Speaker 1: crack and got all kinds of needles and things going
Speaker 1: through her body? What part of Africa did this come from? Laughter?
Speaker 1: We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans. They
Speaker 1: don't know a damn thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaliqua,
Speaker 1: Mohammed and all that crack and all of them are
Speaker 1: in jail. Damn me Kim, Oh my god, but he is.
Speaker 1: He's doing the same thing that any rich, old white
Speaker 1: person would say. It's just pretty much equating the black
Speaker 1: experience is something that he saw on TV. I have
Speaker 1: never seen several needles in anybody's arm. I don't like
Speaker 1: you're also also if I am shooting up, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing multiple needles at once. I'm focusing on my sweet
Speaker 1: heroin and then I'll get to whatever else I want
Speaker 1: to try. Right, it's what what the hell is wrong
Speaker 1: with you? You know? Like? And then I haven't met
Speaker 1: a Shaniqua like I have that I have, but that's
Speaker 1: beyond the point. And Shaniqua shouldn't be shamed because her
Speaker 1: name is Shaniqua. There's nothing wrong with the name Shaniqua.
Speaker 1: The only reason we treat a Shaniqua as a bad
Speaker 1: name is because people like Bill Cosby tried to trick
Speaker 1: us into thinking that that was somehow a Thai black,
Speaker 1: when in fact it's just all right, Nigga's be making
Speaker 1: up stuff the name. What does that have to do
Speaker 1: with how sparks shanique is? Why does Shaniqua have to
Speaker 1: be equated with having six kids? It was like that
Speaker 1: none of that matters. Dog Like my My absolute favorite
Speaker 1: part of this and this is, I think something that
Speaker 1: is probably the most telling and most ignorant thing that
Speaker 1: he said in all of this was he goes on
Speaker 1: this run about how these names aren't African, and one
Speaker 1: of the names that he lists is Mohammed, as if
Speaker 1: the most common name in the entire world, and especially
Speaker 1: in the Muslim world, which dominates massive parts of the
Speaker 1: African continent, is somehow anti African, is nut. He's not
Speaker 1: reading anymore, man, He's not reading, he's not paying attention
Speaker 1: to the world because he goes, he shoots his show,
Speaker 1: and he comes home and puts people drink Like that's
Speaker 1: he was too focused on side pussy and he stopped
Speaker 1: listening to Like you said, he stopped reading books and
Speaker 1: this eye got bad. He probably had trouble reading after
Speaker 1: a while. And like, there it is. You know what
Speaker 1: I think that now that he's in jail, he's like
Speaker 1: starting to see, like he's like, oh man, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: sacking isn't all bad, Like right, like you look kind
Speaker 1: of cool. Hey, show me how you did that? You
Speaker 1: do that like that look look kind of knights and
Speaker 1: you're not You're not gay at all. He's like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: I have a I have a degree of philosophy. You're
Speaker 1: missing cospy. It's like, so you've just been in here
Speaker 1: reading and it's like you sack your pants, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I do. It's because they don't get belts in here.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a thirty two and I get a double XCEL.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. And I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about that. That's how jail corrects people, honestly, not
Speaker 1: through pants sacking, not through making license plate it's just
Speaker 1: you having time to sit with yourself and think about it,
Speaker 1: you know. Helliot, all right, this was fun. I think
Speaker 1: you had a good time. I think we effectively did
Speaker 1: the thing. Eric. Can you tell the people where they
Speaker 1: can find you? What what cool ship you have going on?
Speaker 1: I'm just Garrick Bernard Instagram and on Twitter. Garrick was taken.
Speaker 1: You can find me writing for Solar Opposites in Lower
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Speaker 1: coming out in like a couple of months. It's being
Speaker 1: animated right now. You're in it. Yeah, I did a
Speaker 1: little part. I show up in that mother, you show
Speaker 1: up a couple of times. It's great and they're they're
Speaker 1: both phenomenal shows, so please go and watch them. I
Speaker 1: love them both. They're so funny, and Garret, you know,
Speaker 1: did an amazing job writing for them. And as always,
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