WEBVTT - Prison B*tch Syndrome (with Garrick Bernard) 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.600 I would love the idea that you hear is all that. 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:07.560 He soaks it all in and it's such a powerful 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.480 moment where he finally sees that some of the things 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:12.840 that he's been thinking and saying about black people all 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:14.880 these years are problematic. And he goes back to his 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.440 jail cell. He sits on his bed and Bill Cosby goes, Damn, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:29.200 maybe I did really rape those women, hud, just like Funk, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:47.120 I really mess kind. I am chips in your beds, racists, 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:58.280 money stuff I can't tell me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.840 there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:07.000 to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me the 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:11.000 podcast when we dive deep into the pockets of black 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.920 conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that Tim 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.319 Duncan is a screamer in the bedroom. Sure the man 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.760 was quiet his entire career. Five championships, and he never 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.040 said a word out loud. When you get Tim Duncan's 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.560 legs over his head and that motherfucker's gonna scream, I 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.679 believe it. I'm gonna sell T shirts. Let's say Tim 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.000 Duncan is a screamer in the bedroom. That's says something 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.120 I'm passionate about. That's a little side project I'm working 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.880 on as always. I am your host, Langston Kerman. And 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.560 it is December twenty two, the day after we were 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.240 supposed to get our superpowers, Black people. We were supposed 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.200 to get our superpowers, and I still can't touch my toes. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.760 I have no ability to reach down to my toes. Now, 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.400 if I did get a superpower like I was promise, 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.320 it has nothing to do with toe touching. I have 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.200 not figured out yet what my superpower is. I was 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.000 expecting my forty acres and a mule type strength. It 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.960 is not kicked in yet. Please, if anyone knows what's 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.240 going on with my superpowers, please send a message to me. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.799 I would love to be able to do some cool 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.520 black ship like. I don't know, dunk I can't do that. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.600 I'd like to dun't. I don't even need fucking superpowers. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.680 Just let me dump. I don't know who I'm talking 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.520 to it this point. I don't know if I'm asking 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.280 the girl who made up the black superpowered conspiracy theory, 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.639 or if this is just me crying out to Jesus. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.600 If I'm saying, dear Jesus for Christmas. I'd like to dunk. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.040 I don't know. I'm thirty three and I need to 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.560 grow up. Either way, we didn't get no superpowers, and 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.080 that bitch was lying. That has nothing to do with 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.919 the podcast. Sometimes you just gotta share ship out loud 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.239 so it doesn't feel like you're alone out in this world. Well, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.519 you know who's not alone out in this world. It's 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.000 my guest today. He's got friends, he's got ship going on. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:07.120 He's a powerful man in the comedy industry. He's so funny, 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.560 he's phenomenal. I love him so much. You know him 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.359 from Solar Opposites. He was a writer on Solar Opposites. 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.440 He's a writer on Star Trek Lower Decks. He is 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.760 a hilarious comedian who you've seen on Comedy Central. Give 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:24.000 it up for my friend, Mr Garrick. But now, how 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:29.400 you guys doing. What's going on out there in crowd? Yeah? 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.720 The crowd love they are. What are your thoughts on 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.440 Tim Duncan getting them screams now? I think you're right, bro. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.640 I think that Tim Duncan also can. That's how he 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.320 won all those championships. Is fine putting his knees at 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:48.200 his ears. You can only hit back forwards if you 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.600 could put your ees behind your ears, like that's it. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.280 That's where he stayed nimble. He kept a loose bedroom 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.320 and that kept that's obviously a man who is a 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.400 pro in geometry. He knows his angles and he knows 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:05.760 this is where you spot. That's how you make old 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:14.200 timmy feel good. Yeah, yeah, Tim Dunkee, Sir, I just 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.040 love the idea that that because we all have some 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.080 ship that helps us get our repression out, like we 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.559 all have a thing. And by all accounts, Tim Duncan 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:27.400 has been completely silent as a human for over two 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.000 decades decades really of like watching him on television, So 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.400 there's got to be something weird he's into. That's why 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.560 his whole outfit always all all of his outfits always 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:45.080 fit weirdly because he needs that extra breathing room. You're 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.680 a wild boy, Tim Duncan, please come on the podcast. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.839 We want to talk about it. Well, we can't talk 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.280 about that anymore today because you brought conspiracy theory that 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.960 that I think is maybe one of the first conspirat 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.320 c theories that I ever bought into as a child, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.000 and I ever genuinely. I think I believed, or at 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.279 least thought to be real in the world. And I 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:16.400 and you said, my mama told me sagging with your 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:25.840 pants is gay. A hundred like that was tried and true, 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:31.040 just to go to one that everybody just believed. Every adult, 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:36.560 every barbershop, everyone like everybody was just like, not sacking 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.120 your pants, that that means that you you were in prison. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.320 You went to prison and at some point you sagged 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.000 your pants and everybody was like, Oh, that nick is available, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.880 like that that body is available. That's it me, I 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.400 need it. I'm gonna get it. You know that that 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:58.120 shop is open for business, you know, no mass needed. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:05.440 I'm in there. Okay. This is fascinating because you framed 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.200 it in a way and the way that you just 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.600 said it was that you go to jail and then 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.479 you become available. You start to lower your pants, you 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.359 sag your pants, and then you're open for business. Is 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.400 that how you originally understood it. Yeah, that's through my 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.520 pre internet deep dies. Everybody was like just the rumor 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.920 mill was saying, you go to jail, you know, like 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.839 if you sag your pants, that's your way of letting 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.960 the world know. The jail world that you were, you 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.039 were ready, like it was some kind of like weird 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.360 open door policy. It's just like you, um, let's do 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:45.400 it right. Prison doesn't teach people healthy communication, and so 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.359 you learned signals in prison, and one of the signals 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.839 apparently for coming out is showing your ass crowd to 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.560 another human being. Where were you or how old were 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.000 you when you feel like this theory came into your life? 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.080 I think this had to be like thirteen, So there 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.160 were two instances. It's, you know, your first instance where 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.279 your mom is just like, all right, you're starting to 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.040 enter into adulthood or slowly like creep into it. So 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.880 here are the rules. You know, no fucking in my house, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.720 you know, and don't sack your fans, like like that's 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:26.000 that's every black mother's first. That was certainly what my 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.080 mom told me was like, hey, I don't care what 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:29.920 you do. You ain't gonna have sex, and I'm me 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.560 and your stepfather the only ones to have sex in here, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.360 and that she had other men who after she divorced 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.040 my stepfather, who she also had sex with, and good 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.680 for her, good for her for having the revolving door 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.280 did come through because wait, a minute, Wait a minute, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:55.080 he wasn't revolving, not covering some layers, wonders the saint 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.320 Saint dude's been married four times, but the states all 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.200 the same, and I I am proud of her for 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:06.160 either way. She went, I'm so sorry, but no, it 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.080 was it was you cannot have sex in the house, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.720 try not to, you know, have a girlfriend too soon, 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.040 all of that stuff. And it was nice, but everybody 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.320 was saying, don't sag your pants, like from uncle's haunts. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.400 Everybody my my family's Caribbean also, so like they were 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.760 trying to avoid any type of gay inkling or anything 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.240 like that. They're very homophobic over there on that nobody 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.120 has mastered homophobia better than people of the Caribbean. Oh 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.520 my god, they're so good at it that they look 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:43.199 very gay and still argue you that you're not gay. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.080 I haven't. I have an uncle that will wear the 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.439 most flamboyant ship and then just be like, no, no, 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:54.520 I'll beat your like, bro, he got a fish net 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.480 fucking shirt on, nipples are hell out, and I'm just like, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.080 what's going on over here? Whatever? Imagine sucking your teeth 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.600 at the gay plot while wearing a mess tank time. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.840 That doesn't even make sense, but they find a way. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.120 Oh man, like in that community, their whole like their 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.520 whole word for gay people's anti man. So like that's 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:22.280 it's literally translated anti man. And that's the most disrespectful 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.120 thing I've ever heard in my life. It's funny, but 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:32.600 it's disrespectful. Oh it's but it's I don't know. They're 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.960 they're they're so weird and they have such like a 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.280 lot of them just need to come out of the 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.720 closet so they stop fighting each other. But yeah, I mean, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.600 I think, I think to your point, so much of 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:50.320 homophobia is rooted in like, yeah, suppressed feelings, some of 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.520 which is like, oh, you're you're gay, and you're struggling 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.280 with that, and so you learn to outwardly hate the thing. 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.000 But other parts of it is like you're more complicated 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.280 it than gay or straight. You had both of these feelings, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.640 or you've been attracted to things that like, like you said, 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.520 this motherfucker's in a mesh tank top. That ain't that 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:14.600 ain't heteronormative by any traditional standards. So you like certain 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.760 gay things, but you don't like the associations, and therefore 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.840 you'll try to murder anything that makes you feel uncomfortably 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.680 very like, there is no spectrum. It is black and 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.480 white for them. It's just like, no, man, there's the 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.480 shades of gray in there. It's cool to dabble on 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.959 one side or the other, you know, don't be mad 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.480 at yourself. But I don't know, like any time I 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.160 see them at like Carnival or anything like that, and 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.960 they're just wearing like the most like flamboyant thong basically 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.599 you got a throng and peacock feathers on. You don't know, 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.400 it's just like, what are you doing? Like we gotta 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.800 talk about this. So okay, that was the moment at 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.120 like thirteen or whatever, having like Uncle's come through and 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.079 all that stuff. But the other moment was in high 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.240 school where I was just like I was already on 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.040 the fence about the whole theory. People are just like, oh, yeah, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.640 they they're bringing in the jail stuff, and they're bringing 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.800 in at this point, they're bringing in the fact that 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.240 like you don't get belts in jail. So he was 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.440 just like, oh, they're a little loose, you know, so 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.560 your pants are down and all that stuff. So I'm like, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.760 there's some validity coming out. And then I was running 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:31.560 track at Palisades High School and they were dedicating their 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:37.480 track to Carl Lewis, the great four hundred meter sprinter, 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:43.960 and I was sagging at the time, and Carl Lewis 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.360 this like, I don't know, he's like six three six. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.280 He looked tall as ship from my like short perspective, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.440 comes up to me. Mind you very fluaboyant man, where 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.040 I'm just like, all right, you might be hiding a 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.280 little something over there. Man coming up to me and saying, hey, 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.280 you know that if you sag, that means you're gay 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.959 or something. And I'm just like, yo, I don't nigga, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.040 I don't know you bro, Like, I don't know. You 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.080 got sag shamed by Carl the Great Carl Lewis. Gold 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.680 medalists go to Olympic medalist, Carl Lewis. I got sluge 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:24.319 shame by Car. Like, I'm just like, this is like 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:30.000 prime jerk movement. You know, like everybody's wearing checkerboarded fucking 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.640 skinny jeans, you know, the skinny Nobody knew what skinny 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.920 jeans were at that point in time. So you're like 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.760 honestly like you're wearing girls pants and they're not long enough. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.000 All you wanted was like the scrunch at the bottom 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.000 or whatever, and for it to be a little tighter, 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.839 so you sag sag. And when you're in high school, 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.000 I think even more to that point, when you're in 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.800 high school, you don't know that pants come in different 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.160 like length. Like you're just like, all right, I'm a 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.920 thirty two. I'm gonna buy some thirty twos. But then 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.800 you realize you bought some thirty two and so now 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.080 you got these little ass pants on, so you're gonna 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.280 sat them. Yeah, you know, you gotta bring them a 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.280 little loop because you're not gonna be like flooding in 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.040 school or whatever. Like I mean, the you know, the 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.840 Caffray's pants are in now, I guess. But you know, John, 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:22.080 not one, not certainly, not when I was in high school. Absolutely, 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:23.760 even when you were in high school, I don't think 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.160 that that was the case, not at all. You you 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.880 will get made fund up pretty pretty severely. But yeah, 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.280 so like everybody kind of just had their pants kind 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.760 of low, and it's just what it was, you know. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.000 So having Carl Lewis come up to you and say 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:45.360 that it was devastating for me personally, because you'll never 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.120 be fast if you got your pants like that. I 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:53.720 don't know, girl, Please give me something man like I need. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.120 It hurts. It hurt me to my core. And I 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.840 mean since that day, I think my pants have been 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.640 pretty much at my waist or at least a little 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.679 bit lower. But this has been one that I just 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.960 wanted to know just fully, like what it was, like, 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.960 where it came from. I'm just generally curious about it. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.480 This is me not even coming with my own conspiracy theory, 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.800 but just like asking you as a conspiracy theory expert 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.560 expert me on this sagging journey. I don't know that 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.480 I could ever qualify as an expert. I think I'm 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:32.560 a person who enjoys mayhem. I do enough research to 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.200 stir up a negative version of the conversation that we 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:41.000 otherwise could have resolved, like we could have been working 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.720 towards solutions. But I was like, nah, if I read 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.120 the rest of this article, that's gonna make me feel whole. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.080 And that ship right and the Robert Crost the road 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.680 Less Travel. You know, it's like, where's the chaos over there? 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.720 You know, where is that chaos? Well? Okay, so Carl 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.680 Lewis told you to pull your damn pants that. What 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.400 is your reaction in this moment? Do you immediately pull 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.880 it up? Do you get defiant? What do you do? Um? 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.840 I think you just cry. Um. It was just you 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.680 pull them up. You pull them up, and then you 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.120 you feel embarrassed, like especially if that's like the only 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.240 thing a celebrity has said to you, or like somebody 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.760 that yeah, you looked up to or look up to 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.000 at that point in time, You're just like, yeah, this 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.320 is just what this is true. It immediately made it 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.800 true for me because this isn't like a family member 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.280 that you could go back and like research, Oh here 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.120 is why they probably think this, or like there's no 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.600 way that this person thinks this at all. For it, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.600 so you get, you know, qualified by somebody who has 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.120 several gold medals, that just makes it try and true 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.800 for you for sure. Yeah, that's it's a funked up 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.560 thing that celebrity does to us, because celebrities. He was 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.520 good at running. Yes, Carl Lewis was a great runner, right, 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.720 that's about it. This tho I don't know nothing about fashion. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.960 He doesn't know what what trends are happening in your 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.960 high school. But he as a great runner, a man 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:13.280 with gold medals, now gets to dictate to you, a child, 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.840 how you should be wearing your clothes the threat of 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:21.800 being raped, Yes, exactly, because that's essentially where it all 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.640 comes from, is that everybody is just so afraid of 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.520 rape and jail that they're just like making up all 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.880 the different ways to avoid it, at least like don't 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.640 drop the soap, you know, don't wear your hands underneath 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.120 your but because that's like a way in or all 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:39.120 that stuff, and that just comes out to you know, 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.960 the real world or whatever, and rows these weird roots 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.280 and turns into these weird conspiracies that and it's even 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:51.440 more complicated in that the threat is rape, but it 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:56.000 also is being presented under the guise of consent, if 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.480 that makes sense. So it is it is men consenting 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.800 to pull down their pants as a signal of wanting 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:09.800 what sex or sex in jail, while simultaneously threatening everyone 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:15.560 else with rape, which is like this confused metaphor that 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.119 only a bunch of homophobes could have come up with. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:22.159 Come up with, Okay, So I also think that like 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:26.159 the Arian Brotherhood came up with this. Okay, wait a minute, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:34.200 I don't wanna goddamn minute. Hold on now, I feel 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.040 like you're about to get into something wild, something devastating, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.920 something that I had never heard. I've never heard anyone 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.320 say this before. But I'm genuinely curious about this. So 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.479 what I'm gonna do is give you thirty seconds. We're 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.720 gonna go into a game I like to call talk 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.440 that talk, and I'm gonna give you thirty seconds to 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.879 talk your talk about why the Arian Brotherhood may have 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.560 come up with this theory about sagging. Are you ready 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.320 talk that talk? Garrett? All right? So I think that 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.600 the Arian Brotherhood came up with this ship because they 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.679 see all these black dudes coming in and they're just 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.360 like sagging their pants, looking dope as fun at all 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.680 times that the sprune at the bottom, and they're like, no, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.320 these things are corny. They gotta be corny. We gotta 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.320 come up with some reason to have them be corny. 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.320 So let's just say that the only reason why they're 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.200 sagging their pants is because they're probably gay, their buddies out, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.760 they want to get funks. And I said, we gotta 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.640 demasculate the black man somehow, so let's just say the 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.280 thing that they think is cool, it's corny and ship, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.880 and it's just gonna make its way to the streets 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:42.040 and it's gonna you know, run rampant, damn the completely 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.280 Oh man, that's deep. Wow. So this was like not 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.879 only some prison rivalry ship where where you're creating a 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.240 narrative about your enemies, but it also functions on it 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.399 even higher racial level. We're going to introduce the premise 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.800 that all all black men coming into this hyper masculine 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.480 space are less masculine than they theoretically would be or 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.160 should be. Kind of thing, right, you look at any 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.560 like hoking dude, and I do that often. It's just 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:18.560 what I do, and I just right, I try to 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.520 think of all the reasons why I am not that 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.520 or like why I am at least on par with 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.960 this person. And you come up with silly ship all 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.760 the time, like he's just like, oh man, look at 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.000 this naked shoes. His shoes are bad. He got little, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.959 he got little calves is he look at his Look 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.800 at how small his ankles are, you know, And it's 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.520 just like it's something silly to support the fact that 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.880 this naked at any day I can talk to your 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.160 girlfriend and you can't do shit about it. Absolutely, he'll 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:50.919 beat the funk out of you. You know the the 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.159 amount of times that I picked apart another man for 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:58.200 the sake of comforting myself in my own insecurities, you 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.199 know what I mean, Like, I don't I'm not okay 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.760 with me. So I'm gonna make this dude somehow less 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.080 himself because my ship ain't popping. I do it all 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.160 the time, all the time. Just let Niga be dark 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:14.000 skin in like like we just oh you know my secret. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.200 I've been trying to keep you all from being dark skinned, 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.840 black ass out of your motherfucker. Yeah, I love this. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.120 So I do think at the essence of what we're saying, 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.960 whether it is the work of the area nation or 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.640 just our own self hatred, what it is it is fear. 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.639 It's at the root of this is a lot of 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.360 people being afraid of a new threat or a change 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:46.560 in their world and subsequently trying to find a way 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.320 to protect themselves against that. And the only way they 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.440 could come up with this to be like that's get 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:58.280 It's as easy as that. Honestly, everybody has always said it. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.280 It's literally the easiest punch line is like something like 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.639 that's gay, it's lazy, it's corny, all that stuff, But 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.480 me saying that you are less of a man is 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.560 the only real way to hurt you. And that's that 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:14.600 to me, is I think where I learned because I think, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.600 you know, having grown up in the early two thousands, 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.520 I am not exempt from having made gay people the 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.119 punch line of of many of my jokes at a 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.520 certain point in my life. And I think that to 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.359 me was when I really sort of had the breakthrough. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.720 And it's a shame it wasn't a breakthrough and sort 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:34.919 of recognizing my own sort of dehumanizing of another person. 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:36.679 But I do think the breakthrough in a lot of 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.360 ways was gay people being like, hey, bro, I've heard 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:43.600 that joke before me being like, oh damn, yeah, I 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:48.040 don't want to be hacky, like having like comedian ideals 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.760 in high school. And he's like, fun man, that's people 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:57.040 been saying that you don't thinking funny dog that I've 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.080 been writing this material for years and the funny but 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.560 he told me this has been hacked. That's at the 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.000 end of it, right, So you're telling me that's saying 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.520 something is gay is hack, but okay, but I can 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:16.560 pretend to do my mom's accent, right like that that's cool, right, dog, 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.840 Like I just wait, wait wait, I could still compare 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.240 black people to white people and say how we different. 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:25.439 But but that's that's okay, right, that's okay. It's like 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.119 that's a little hack. But like, also there is the 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:33.679 other aspect that gay black men are some of the 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.640 funniest people on the planet, hilarious. I always equate like 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.720 black man's a gay black man is equal to Goku 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.040 to super Saian th Goku. It's just it's just a 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.320 better like they're just funnier at it. They're better at it. 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.840 And so for a funny like probably always the funniest 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:54.280 person in the room coming up to you saying like, 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.760 oh yo, those those gay jokes they're they're not funny. 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:02.240 It's like, yeah, so I'll past my biases and write 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.359 some new jokes and like. And that's the thing. It 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.760 really forced me to reflect on why I thought it 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.160 was funny in the first place, because it wasn't coming 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.200 from a place of hatred. I don't think I've ever 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.440 looked at any group of people and been like I 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.879 genuinely despised you or what you represent. But jokes are jokes, 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:21.560 and if you can get a laugh, you can get 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.080 a laugh. But like you said, having the funniest motherfucker 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:25.840 come up to you and be like that, s it 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:29.679 ain't funny, man, I'm not charismatic enough to walk my 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.560 way through that, and they'll they'll fire your ass up 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:38.120 to like being read by a gay blacker is devastating. 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:44.400 It's that's why I think Carl Lewis cartis secretly gay 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.280 and he didn't tell nobody gay. Carl Louk and you 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.280 hurt Garrick and you did, can come out and apologize 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.360 to Garrick and he'll pull his pants up and we'll 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.600 be even. All right, We're gonna take a break and 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.479 we'll be back with more. And my mama told me 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:11.720 and more, but not and we are that you got 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:17.600 what I need. Yeah, we're back here with more character more. 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.520 And my mama told me. We're still talking about sagging 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.640 pants and the sort of cooked in homophobia that led 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.840