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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that Tim

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Speaker 1: it is December twenty two, the day after we were

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Speaker 1: supposed to get our superpowers, Black people. We were supposed

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Speaker 1: knows what the real word is? Like these are people

424
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: coming through and saying like, oh this is you'll seem

425
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: less respectable if you have pants with all your waists

426
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I mean, I think I think

427
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: similar to and and it's not exactly what you're saying,

428
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: but I think that at a certain point I did

429
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: start to recognize that what I thought was cool had

430
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: no functionality, you know what I mean That Like, I

431
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: was sagging my pants because it made me feel closer

432
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: to my peers or made me look like what I

433
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: thought was like a cool image out in the world.

434
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: But then it was like, hey man, this is not

435
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: good to walk like. It's not easy to walk this way,

436
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: and it might sit. Okay, So I remember running track.

437
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: You you go to like a chiropractor every now and again,

438
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: and my pants were low or whatever, and he was like, yo,

439
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: you realize that this is like sucking up your your

440
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: hip flexures or whatever. That that is so like because

441
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: you have to keep your hip in a certain way

442
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: in order to do that. So it throws off you're

443
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: running when you're running down or whatever. It'll make your

444
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: feet flare and make you like duck footed a little

445
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: bit so, and it will make them really tight and

446
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So that was another reason this is starting. Okay,

447
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: now this is starting to scare me a little bit,

448
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why, because it's starting to make

449
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: me think that maybe sagging was introduced in some sort

450
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: of intentional way to ruin a collective like the collective

451
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: hip flexors of all black men, so that we were

452
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: less limber and less capable previously couldn't access the quick

453
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: twitches exactly. You know, we got these thick slave legs,

454
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: and they're like, how can we slow these niggers down?

455
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: They got to introduce a fashion where they tie belts

456
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: around their thighs to keep them from so quickly. This

457
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: is this is again. The cops are just like, they

458
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: keep on getting away from us. You got to figure

459
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: something out, man, What if we somehow put like a

460
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: rope around there. I'm not saying I'm not saying Butt's

461
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: saying I belt maybe uh maybe something. Oh man, Okay,

462
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: let's get into some of this research. Let's do it.

463
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: One of the things that I quickly discovered is that

464
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: sagging as we are referring to it, also in relation

465
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: to this sort of jail premise. This prison premise had

466
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: other names, and one of the things that I read

467
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: it was at certain points called is jailing that like,

468
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: if you were sagging your pants. A. A sling for

469
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: that was jailing, which I had never heard, and kind

470
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: of feels like white people made that one up. That's

471
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: a that's a little too on the nose. Yeah, clever,

472
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: They're gonna have another word for it, not just literal

473
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: term jailing. That isn't all right. And to your point,

474
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: the way it's written, it's like j A I L

475
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: I n apostrophe And that feels like, you know, like

476
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: a white marketing tad sat down. It was like, you know,

477
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: they don't pronounce their ga right. This is very much

478
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: like a black's rule on my garage term for sure, exactly.

479
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: So the other term that I heard or read rather

480
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: that feels much more like black people came up with

481
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: is PBS or prison bitch syndrome. Not public broadcasters. No

482
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: prison bitch syndrome. Uh you know that syndrome you get

483
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: when you expose your butt crack to another man in prison,

484
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 1: And I love that so much. So one of the

485
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: things that I quickly found in my research is that

486
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: the theory that this is a sort of flagging of

487
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: your homosexuality in prison is completely false. There's no evidence

488
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: that this was in any way a trend within the

489
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: jail system. To your earlier point, the issue of taking

490
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: people's belts away and taking people's shoelaces away and anything

491
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: that would have been used to tie up your clothing

492
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: was one of the major sort of starting points for

493
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: where sagging, at least in theory, was born, right that, like,

494
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: you take somebody's belt away, and then you hand a

495
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: regular sized to triple X size jumpsuit, and so it's

496
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: going to be falling off of his body, and then

497
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: he naturally is going to try to figure out a

498
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: way to look cool despite the fact that his clothes

499
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: don't fit through adversity. I think is will always be

500
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: cool at any time, doesn't matter. It raised like the

501
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: phoenix you are, I guess I exactly. And so one

502
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: of the things that it immediately made me think about

503
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: is how sort of wild it is that we immediately

504
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: jumped to weaponizing sagging against kids and against young people

505
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: as like this dangerous, ugly thing and completely ignore the

506
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: fact that the entire thing was born out of limited

507
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: resources and fucked up circumstances that we put people in

508
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: when they go to prison. Do you know what I mean? Like,

509
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: we're not talking about the fact that these people are

510
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: a small person is being given oversized clothes and no

511
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: chance of wearing the clothes properly. We're just like, hey, right,

512
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: it's just like, just get me better fitting close that. Yeah,

513
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm funneling so much money into this place. Why why

514
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: can't I get better clothes? You know? It's I don't know.

515
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: It feels weirdly like a punishment that they always do

516
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: that they can always justify and saying like, oh, we

517
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: can give them shitty food all the time, like food,

518
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: food with baggots in them. We can have them in

519
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: chain gangs, that we can do solitary confinement because we

520
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: are punishing these people, but they're still like people. At

521
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: the end of the day. What do you really trying

522
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: to do? What do you what does this teach anybody

523
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: other than the fact that I don't trust belts hold

524
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: my pants up, so I'm just going to, you know,

525
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: hold them up by my you know, with my arm

526
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: or something like that. Exactly. It's this ugly sort of

527
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: manipulation where you claim like, oh, you couldn't handle belts,

528
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: you're not a decent enough, reasonable enough person to handle

529
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: having your shoe strings in there, and then shame the

530
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: person after you take their ship away that otherwise would

531
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: keep their clothing in place. Yeah, it's it's yet another trap.

532
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: You didn't give me belts, So now I'm getting like,

533
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: so now it has anything to do with my sexuality.

534
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: That doesn't make it easy. It doesn't track for me.

535
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: It's it's exactly Yeah. So here's where it gets even

536
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: more complicated is because of this trend. And this again

537
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: is all theory, but because of this trend, rappers pick

538
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: it up right and it becomes sort of like a

539
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: cool way of signaling that, like you're a person from

540
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: the streets, so you know the streets is by sagging

541
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: your pants, your iced tease, you're yeah, you're fucking two shorts.

542
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: They all start sagging in the early nineties as a

543
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: way of being like, I'm part of this culture that

544
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, lets the listeners know. Which how it becomes

545
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: popularized in urban America if you will, And you know

546
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: what I want to say that it could have been

547
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: like this really nice, beautiful moment where it's just like yo,

548
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Pooky's coming home, blah blah blah, you have your coming

549
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: home party and it's nice. He comes home, pants are sagging.

550
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't like normal fitting jeans anymore, Right, everybody, pull

551
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: your pants, everybody, I'm coming home, coming home, everybody before

552
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: he pants out. For Pookie, he's feeling weird about this,

553
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and then everybody is like, let's just

554
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: wear Let's just do a year, a year of pants

555
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: sagging for Pooky. I love the idea of them doing

556
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: a walk. They organized it, yeah, tim k where they

557
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: just they walk in circles with stagging pants from I

558
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: love that so much. And Pookie is like there he's

559
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: he's sitting on the sidelines crying because he's devastated. That's

560
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: the other thing. Jail destroys a person. Yeah, he is devastated.

561
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: He's sad. He doesn't know like if he can have

562
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: a belt or not. He's asking his mom can he

563
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: go out again? Like a year old man, And we're

564
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: just like, yo, he just needs to comfort this man.

565
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: And too Short took it upon himself to make it cool,

566
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: like a goddamn hero. He was like he swooped in

567
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, man, y'all are going through some ship.

568
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: They're treating you poorly. They're giving you no resources to

569
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: be human. Beings are treating you like animals. You know

570
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna show a little bit

571
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: of allegiance and shine like you in my videos and

572
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: instead a bunch of people. And this is where the

573
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: complication sort of becomes even more complicated. Turned it into

574
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: a signal of gang violence and danger in the black

575
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: community because they're afraid of what too Short sagging in

576
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: allegiance with his brother or friends or whoever represented it

577
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: always steps back to that stuff. They always try to

578
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: bring it back to, oh, this person. I don't think

579
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: most people who have been to jail come out and

580
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: are just like, no, I want to I want to

581
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: go back to the streets. They don't want. They have to.

582
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: They might have to, they might have to provide or

583
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: something like that, but I don't think they really like,

584
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: just this is just what I do. I love being

585
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: poor and shooting niggas in the left. Nobody nobody really

586
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: wants to do that, you know. Like, so for you

587
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: to just equate it back to the gang violence rather

588
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: than like digging deep on this situation, it's just such

589
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: a troubling thing. Like it it's being mad at the

590
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: pants and not being mad at what the pants represent

591
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: or with the essence of where this culture sort of

592
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: was born two punchlines deep. You realize, Oh, they don't

593
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: have pants that fit in jail. That's why, because we're not,

594
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: they're they're treating them incorrectly. You know, they're being pieces

595
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: of ship to them exactly, They're not giving them their

596
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: basic human needs. So so one of the things that

597
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: I found that I think ties into this very well

598
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: is that the journey of sagging pants and baggy clothes

599
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: actually follows a very similar trajectory to that of the

600
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: zoop suit. You know, the zoop suit of old fashioned. Yeah,

601
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: the big old Steve Harvey joint. Yeah, he tries to

602
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: bring that back so so hard. And when he tries, Steve,

603
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: you got that mustache, man, I shoulders ain't supposed to

604
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: be that big Steve. You gotta you gotta relax man.

605
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: So so the zoot suit apparently was similarly born from

606
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: a type of limited resources that in the nineteen thirties,

607
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: black and brown people made it popular. Mexican people and

608
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: black people in America made it popular because they started

609
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: putting on these oversized soups, and some people speculated that

610
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: the reason their suits were oversized was because they didn't

611
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: have the resources to go get them tailored like other

612
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: white people were getting them tailored. So it became kind

613
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: of a style, right, and this is a style that's

614
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: similar to sagging pants. People treated like it was like

615
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: hoodlum ship. They would basically associate anybody in an oversized

616
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: suit with being a gangster or being like a bad

617
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: person in society, much like they did later with Dashiki's

618
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: and afros in the sixties and seventies. So it is

619
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: always just like, oh, what are nigg is doing? Oh,

620
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: that's bad, that's bad. There it is. Look, I don't

621
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: like it. There's something wrong with that one. That's exactly right.

622
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: And that's how I like. Even thinking back, the only

623
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: time I I can remember a suit suit is somebody

624
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: having a Tommy gun attached, like somebody like shooting that

625
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: car or something like that. And that's another weird thing

626
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: is that it's always a white person doing it. Boom,

627
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: now you're talking about come on, man, the third eye

628
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: is a little crusty, but it's open, open that mother.

629
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: But it's always a white gangster doing it. And yet

630
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: it's always equated to black or brown bad behavior. And

631
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: so that's the essence of the danger of the way

632
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: that white capitalism manipulates things, right, is that not only

633
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: do you demonize us US black and brown people wearing

634
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: these clothes, but then you manipulated enough so that you

635
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: can use it for popular culture, so that you can

636
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: create a film where a white gangster wears a big

637
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: suit and shoots the Tommy gun, and you gain money

638
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: off of those resources. You gain popularity from this imagery

639
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: while simultaneously keeping that image connected to poor people who

640
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: otherwise are only doing it because this is all they had.

641
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: Exactly at the end of the day, everybody just loves

642
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: to watch like a good juxtaposition right there, Just like

643
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: if I just see if I saw a machine Gun

644
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: Kelly sagging his fans and with Hella tattoos, Just like, man,

645
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: it's this is interesting. I like, I like, I'm gonna

646
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: listen to his music. I like the way he raps.

647
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: He's a good rapper, and he's like he's fine anyway.

648
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: But like, but to your point, I think you want

649
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: to know his origin story. You want to know how

650
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: machine Gun Kelly ended up that way because of the

651
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: way that they've manipulated the imagery, and associations in America

652
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: were less interested in finding out how the black version

653
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: of machine gun Kelly got the way that he is,

654
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: even though they probably have equally interesting journeys. Could you

655
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: just be yourself for a second, I would truly love

656
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: it and appreciate it because I know that there was

657
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: no type of adversity that caused you to sag your

658
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: pants or wear a big suit or anything like that.

659
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: You can afford a taylor, you can afford a belt.

660
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: So where are we going? What do we what are we?

661
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: What are we doing? What made you choose that? Outside

662
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: of the fact that you saw a cool black person

663
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: doing it? Exactly where did this actually matter to you?

664
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: Or where you actually committed to this culture in real

665
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: necessary way. So here's here's where it gets even more fascinating.

666
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: Is I actually dug up a bunch of times throughout

667
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: recent history where sagging was actual, laws were sort of

668
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: created against sagging. People were actively trying to send people

669
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: to jail or criminalize sagging in a way that was punishable. So,

670
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: first example, in May two thousand and four, Louisiana lawmakers

671
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: attempted passing a bill sixty six basically made it a

672
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: crime to wear clothing in public that intentionally exposes undergarments

673
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: or intentionally exposes any portion of the pubic hair, cleft

674
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: of the buttocks or genitals. All right, Okay, so is

675
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: this before or I and I don't know is this

676
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: before or after? It's after the Willennium? Is after the Willennium?

677
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: We have established that it is after the Willennium? Um,

678
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: but is this before after the abolishment of Portlands being

679
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: a sundowntown or like just no black people being allowed

680
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: in Oregon because there are so many of those institutions

681
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: or what have you that are just overlooked that nobody cares.

682
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about what white people are doing and how

683
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: they're fucked up or anything like that. They've been love

684
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: Craft Country and us in Portland's since it had to

685
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: event since like it was like a really early time.

686
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: I think to the greater point, there's a bunch of

687
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: like weird laws that get introduced that couldn't possibly be

688
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: reasonable laws, But because you guys are in charge, you

689
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: get to make them seem reasonable, you know what I mean,

690
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: you get to like For another example, in two thousand five,

691
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: Virginia House delegates basically created a thing called Droopie Drawers Bill,

692
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: where it was a fifty dollar fine for people who

693
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: wore anything that was considered lewd or indecent, and that

694
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: again is subjective as far as lewd and indecent. It

695
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: it's completely up for grabs. Another example in T sixteen

696
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: in Ocala, Florida, they successfully pushed to prohibit the style

697
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: of city on property. And we're offering like basically charging

698
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: people a five dollar fine or six months in jail

699
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: if they got caught wearing the wrong type of clothes.

700
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Six months in priss, six months in jail. So we're

701
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: going back to where it started. So I can come

702
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: back out with another thing that you're just going to

703
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: fuck me over with because you're not doing your job

704
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: with like clothing people correctly in prison. You take my

705
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: resources away, you create a culture that allows me to

706
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 1: mimic my stolen resources as a way of at least

707
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: feeling whole as a person, and then you make feeling

708
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: whole as a person for me punishable by taking away

709
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: the only other resource I have, which is money and freedom. Yeah,

710
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: fucking oh my god. I I am trying to like

711
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: come up with points or anything like that, but it

712
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: is it's just so baffling, or like it's just so

713
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: crazy to fucking watch the like the cycle continue and

714
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: like just hear it so plainly laid out, because you know,

715
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: again I didn't know what where the like deep confines

716
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: of sagging, like where it came from and all that stuff.

717
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: But you know, just having it laid out so plainly is, yeah,

718
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: it don't help you sleep. Here's here's my personal favorite,

719
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: and this one actually did make me laugh out loud.

720
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: And Pikeville, Tennessee officials basically created something or started they

721
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: were trying to create one of these laws the same way,

722
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: and they claimed that sagging was leading to a larger

723
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: health crisis related to improper gate of the saggers, meaning

724
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: like they were walking different because of having sagged and

725
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: it was ruining their bodies. The mayor even pointed to

726
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: a study from a dude name Mark oliver Man's bag

727
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: of the National American Medical Association that's supposedly found out

728
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: that eight intent staggers suffered from sexual problems like premature ejaculation.

729
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: How this isn't this, bro is it? Now? We're like

730
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: now we're back to it. It's just like, I mean,

731
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: it's got to be doing something because yeah, sexual because

732
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: it's got to emasculate the black band. And that's the

733
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: thing to your point, it's okay. We tried to call

734
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: them gay. Gay didn't work. Now they're they're starting to

735
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: recognize that gay. Isn't it a bad thing? Or it

736
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: isn't as scary as we try to make it out

737
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: to be. But you know what, we can tell them

738
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: the dick's gonna stop working. And if they believe that

739
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a leaky dick, that's it. That's it. Hey,

740
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna come too fast in the bitch and you

741
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: no more so you don't want to do what are

742
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: you gonna do? You put your pants something? I don't know.

743
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: The improper gate is also like what I was talking about,

744
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: like the duck footing or whatever. It's like that stuff

745
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: goes away after like a good couple, like stretches, stretch

746
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: for a little bits a few times, you'll be all right,

747
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: You're good to go. But you saying I am going

748
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: to be prematurely, prematurely ejaculated. It's just the wildest ship.

749
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh my god, you you couldn't think

750
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: of anything better? Nah? Where is that jump? Like what

751
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: are they saying? Are they saying that it's like cutting

752
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: off blood flow. Oh know. To be clear, it later

753
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: was discovered that the person and the study do not

754
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: exist and was just repeating ship he read on the internet,

755
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: so it ain't cutting off ship. There was no information

756
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: about it. He was just like, hey, I heard aiding

757
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: ten of y'all come to fans and trying to insert

758
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: a fine afterwards based off of it. This is why

759
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: old people shouldn't be allowed on the internet at all.

760
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be you shouldn't be able to have infinite knowledge.

761
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: I think. To the greater point of all of this,

762
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: old people shouldn't be allowed to dictate ship in the

763
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: world at all. You shouldn't be able to tell me

764
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: anything because you haven't lived in the real world for

765
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: a while. Like this, it's going back to you know,

766
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: you telling kids that they shouldn't sack their pants or

767
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: what have you, because you haven't reach the real world.

768
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: You have been so far removed from what society actually is.

769
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Once you reached like let me say sixty, Let me

770
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: just throw that age up there. You don't love, you

771
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: don't know anything anymore, you know, and so just chill,

772
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: just shut the funk up, just chill, go play a

773
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: little fucking bedazzled game on Facebook by that game. Play

774
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: that game where you try to get the ball into

775
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: the cup over and over again. Play that and leave

776
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: your kids alone, Leave me alone, go stare out the

777
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: windows or something. Old people, if you're listening, just shut

778
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: the funk up and uh, we'll take another break, and

779
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: I hope you shut the funk up the whole time

780
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: and listen to the commercials and we'll be back with more.

781
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: G Bernard And my mama told me, and we are

782
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: that ye dress you want you you could do? So

783
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: you you do you can? You want? You want him

784
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: to do you more. My mama told me it's the

785
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: longest drop I have and I love it so much.

786
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: That nigga spitting And we're still talking about sagging pants

787
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: and the possible just sort of like elderly white tyranny

788
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: cooked underneath all of the media, the marketing around sagging pants. Okay,

789
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: one of the most famous people, I would say, most

790
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: iconic figures, infamous figures at this point, whoever weighed in

791
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: on sagging pants, and there have been a few. Barack

792
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: Obama had a quote about it where he basically said, look,

793
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: I don't think people should go to jail for it.

794
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: But like your grandma was watching Pull Up Your Pants,

795
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey said some ship under his mustache about it.

796
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: Bill Ingvol weighed in on sagging Pants, where he, of

797
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: course said something pretty racist, although it was under the

798
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: mask of a joke, so I guess it was okay,

799
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: who knows. But the most infamous of them is Bill Cosby,

800
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: the cos and he became infamous in his thoughts on

801
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: sagging pants when he gave a speech that is now

802
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: known as the pound Cake Speech where he basically goes

803
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: on a long, rant, long run about what black people

804
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: need to do to better themselves in their own communities.

805
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: And So what I would like to do is play

806
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: a game with you. This is a brand new game

807
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: called I don't think Bill Cosby is as good as

808
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: he claims he is. He and you gotta say, still faces,

809
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: that ship still slepts, and I don't get or if

810
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: he did what he did. Okay, So what I'm gonna

811
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: do with you, what I think we should do, is

812
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you some snippets from this famous speech

813
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: and I just would love for you to unpack your

814
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: thoughts on it as we go along. Things You're loving

815
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: things you're hating things, You're uncomfortable with things that maybe

816
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: were a clearer identifier that Bill Cosby was in fact

817
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: the monster that we now know him to be much earlier. Cool.

818
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: I'll get us started. Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic

819
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: and lower middle class economic people are holding their end

820
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: in this deal in the neighborhood that most of us

821
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: grew up in. Parenting is not going on. People clapped.

822
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every

823
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: drawn shade was an eye. And before your mother got

824
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: off the bus into the house, she knew exactly where

825
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: you had gone, who had gone into the house, and

826
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: where you got on whatever you had on, and where

827
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: you got it from. Parents don't know that today. I'm sorry,

828
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: but parents do know not to put fucking Ophiois in

829
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: people's dreams. You silly bitch. I'll tre you. Parenting is

830
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: not going on. I think that was the first thing

831
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: my mom told me before. She was like, hey, if

832
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: you see a young lady at a club, don't put

833
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: anything in a drink because that is weird. You're weirdough

834
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. Yeah, that's their So

835
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby clearly did not have that part of the talk,

836
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: But he did have the part of the talk where

837
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: he was like, you gotta stare out your window at

838
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: kids and know where they're going at all times. You don't.

839
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: They're fine, Okay, let's get this party going. I'm talking

840
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: about these people who cry when their son is standing

841
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: there in an orange suit. Where were you when he

842
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: was two? People clap? Where were you when he was twelve?

843
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: People really clap? Where were you when he was eighteen?

844
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: And how come you don't know he had a pistol clapping, clapping, clap,

845
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: And where is his father? And why don't you know

846
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: where he is? And why doesn't the father show up

847
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: to talk to this boy. I was at work. I

848
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: work three jobs. Keep this through over whatever. People are

849
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, my mom came to see my play.

850
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's congratulation. I like, my mom was

851
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: at work during the day and then she went to

852
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: school at night, so I think I would see her

853
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: every now and again, Like my kind love that your

854
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: mom was just a hard working roommate. She was just

855
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: a hard working roommate like I. I I would see her, sure,

856
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: but she would be like in the room or something

857
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: like that. And you would knock on a a door like mom,

858
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: you okay, get away, I'm studying from board, you know, exam.

859
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: I can't have my eyes open. Yet it wasn't too hard, right, right,

860
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: and like at a two parent household or whatever, So

861
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: fuck you o Cosby, And I still say until Carl

862
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: Lewis told me not to, but until a different old

863
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: black man yelled at me about this, right, but he

864
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: was also working, Like there are certain things that you

865
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: just kind of have to let your kid learn and

866
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: understand and like be independent about. And to Bill Cosby's

867
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: stupid point, like parenting is short still going on, but

868
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: there are some gaps because you have to work because

869
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: we live in a society where black people aren't given

870
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: the best opportunities, so they have to like constantly have

871
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: jobs at all all times. And until we have wealth,

872
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: then we can like talk about like, oh, I'm here

873
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: all of the time. And I think, I think to

874
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: that grander point, that's the danger of the way that

875
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: so much of this has been sort of put to

876
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: us all of these years, is that there is a

877
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: deep allegiance between me and Bill Cosby because we are

878
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: both black, when in fact, the difference in our wealth

879
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: is so vast that we actually have zero to negative

880
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: ship in common in you know what I mean, Like

881
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: we don't actually have anything tied together because you have

882
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: all that money and I don't. Our day to day

883
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: ain't the same. The fact that we're black is just

884
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: a technicality. Bro. Yeah, it's truly so. He's so far

885
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: moved from any type of adversity happening to him. If

886
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: you were to bring up that, the fact that where zoos,

887
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: like where Zu Sus came from, he would give you

888
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: the response, why didn't those niggts get their pants tailored?

889
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: It's just like you're missing the entire point, Mr fucking

890
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: dumb Sweater, Like, now now you got him? I don't

891
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: know you goofy switter ban, like, leave me alone. I

892
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: can't afford a tailored Were you not listening to me

893
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: this entire time? Okay, I'm gonna hit you with one

894
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: more quote. This one's I think maybe my favorite. There

895
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: are a bunch of really wild ones where he accuses

896
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: women of having six or seven babies by six or

897
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: seven baby daddy's and it's a lot of wild ship,

898
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: but this is my favorite. He says, are you not

899
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: paying attention? People? With their hat on backwards, pants down

900
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: around the crack. Isn't that a sign of something? Or

901
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?

902
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: Laughing and clapping? Isn't it a sign of something when

903
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: she's got her dress all the way up to the

904
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: crack and got all kinds of needles and things going

905
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: through her body? What part of Africa did this come from? Laughter?

906
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans. They

907
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: don't know a damn thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaliqua,

908
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: Mohammed and all that crack and all of them are

909
00:55:50,239 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: in jail. Damn me Kim, Oh my god, but he is.

910
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: He's doing the same thing that any rich, old white

911
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: person would say. It's just pretty much equating the black

912
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: experience is something that he saw on TV. I have

913
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: never seen several needles in anybody's arm. I don't like

914
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: you're also also if I am shooting up, I ain't

915
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: doing multiple needles at once. I'm focusing on my sweet

916
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: heroin and then I'll get to whatever else I want

917
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: to try. Right, it's what what the hell is wrong

918
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: with you? You know? Like? And then I haven't met

919
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: a Shaniqua like I have that I have, but that's

920
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: beyond the point. And Shaniqua shouldn't be shamed because her

921
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: name is Shaniqua. There's nothing wrong with the name Shaniqua.

922
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: The only reason we treat a Shaniqua as a bad

923
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: name is because people like Bill Cosby tried to trick

924
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: us into thinking that that was somehow a Thai black,

925
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: when in fact it's just all right, Nigga's be making

926
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: up stuff the name. What does that have to do

927
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: with how sparks shanique is? Why does Shaniqua have to

928
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: be equated with having six kids? It was like that

929
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: none of that matters. Dog Like my My absolute favorite

930
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: part of this and this is, I think something that

931
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: is probably the most telling and most ignorant thing that

932
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: he said in all of this was he goes on

933
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: this run about how these names aren't African, and one

934
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: of the names that he lists is Mohammed, as if

935
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: the most common name in the entire world, and especially

936
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: in the Muslim world, which dominates massive parts of the

937
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: African continent, is somehow anti African, is nut. He's not

938
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: reading anymore, man, He's not reading, he's not paying attention

939
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: to the world because he goes, he shoots his show,

940
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: and he comes home and puts people drink Like that's

941
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: he was too focused on side pussy and he stopped

942
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: listening to Like you said, he stopped reading books and

943
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: this eye got bad. He probably had trouble reading after

944
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: a while. And like, there it is. You know what

945
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: I think that now that he's in jail, he's like

946
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: starting to see, like he's like, oh man, maybe maybe

947
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: sacking isn't all bad, Like right, like you look kind

948
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: of cool. Hey, show me how you did that? You

949
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: do that like that look look kind of knights and

950
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: you're not You're not gay at all. He's like, no, actually,

951
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: I have a I have a degree of philosophy. You're

952
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: missing cospy. It's like, so you've just been in here

953
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: reading and it's like you sack your pants, Yes, sir,

954
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: I do. It's because they don't get belts in here.

955
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a thirty two and I get a double XCEL.

956
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. And I didn't even

957
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: think about that. That's how jail corrects people, honestly, not

958
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: through pants sacking, not through making license plate it's just

959
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: you having time to sit with yourself and think about it,

960
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: you know. Helliot, all right, this was fun. I think

961
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: you had a good time. I think we effectively did

962
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: the thing. Eric. Can you tell the people where they

963
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: can find you? What what cool ship you have going on?

964
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm just Garrick Bernard Instagram and on Twitter. Garrick was taken.

965
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: You can find me writing for Solar Opposites in Lower

966
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: dex Man uh Solo Opposite seasons. So you should be

967
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: coming out in like a couple of months. It's being

968
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: animated right now. You're in it. Yeah, I did a

969
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: little part. I show up in that mother, you show

970
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: up a couple of times. It's great and they're they're

971
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: both phenomenal shows, so please go and watch them. I

972
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: love them both. They're so funny, and Garret, you know,

973
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: did an amazing job writing for them. And as always,

974
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: you can follow me at Langston and Kerman on all

975
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: of the apps, the Twitter and the Instagram. And hey,

976
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: if you have your own like drops or conspiracy theories

977
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: or things that you feel I should know about, please

978
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: send us email. We would love to hear from you,

979
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: and you can send emails or voice memos We would

980
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: love to even hear your voices, which we could potentially

981
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: play on the podcast. Send us your emails at my

982
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: Mama pod at gmail dot com. That's my Mama m

983
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: O m m A pod at gmail dot com. Okay,

984
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: I've done enough. I refuse to do more by your qualitas,

985
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: racist money stuff I can't tell me