Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in, and by we, I
Speaker 2: mean it's me and Easton in the building.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: I don't where is Tanya. I don't even know. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I thought she'd be here and then no, No,
Speaker 2: she's just a no show. But there was a reason
Speaker 2: for it. I just can't remember.
Speaker 1: But it sounds very legit and real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tanya doesn't miss if it's not important, so I'm
Speaker 2: sure she's in her ludial phase or something and had
Speaker 2: important things to tend to. But today we are joined
Speaker 2: by a rising star in the music industry whose angelic
Speaker 2: voice and heartfelt lyrics have captivated audiences around the world.
Speaker 2: She's best known for her groundbreaking hits such as Fingers
Speaker 2: Crossed and Flowers, as well as being included on Billboard's
Speaker 2: twenty one Under twenty one list. She's not only a
Speaker 2: talented singer songwriter, but also a true inspiration to her fans,
Speaker 2: encouraging them to embrace their authenticity and face life's challenges
Speaker 2: head on. Not to mention she's only nineteen years old
Speaker 2: and she's already accomplished so much. Please give a warm
Speaker 2: welcome to Lauren Spencer Smeg. I'm so happy to meet you.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: I was telling you when you first got here that
Speaker 2: I got to listen to your whole album that's coming
Speaker 2: out in July. God, and it is amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I it's crazy to think that you have been through
Speaker 2: so much at such a young age. When I'm listening
Speaker 2: to the album, I'm like, Wow, there's a lot a
Speaker 2: lot to UNA's written in a guitar.
Speaker 1: Second album coming.
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm writing that right now, but you're in
Speaker 2: a good place right now. Yah.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it depends what topic of life. Yes,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's amazing great. Other aspects, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: I'm great. Okay, there's room for there for my second album.
Speaker 2: You know. I feel like as a my girlfriend's a musician,
Speaker 2: and I feel like sometimes like the downs are what produce.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes when I'm happy, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to make music like.
Speaker 2: What Well, I know that when you when you wrote
Speaker 2: your your new single that part, everyone was kind of like,
Speaker 2: we love the sad stuff, but any any chance for
Speaker 2: like a hopeful love song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I've been getting asked that a lot,
Speaker 1: And then we finally wrote one.
Speaker 2: How long have you been with your boyfriend?
Speaker 1: A year and a half? I guess, like officially, yeah.
Speaker 2: Who was the heartbreak? Like when did that happen?
Speaker 1: It Like we didn't even date. It was like such
Speaker 1: a non serious thing. That's why it's so embarrassing. It's
Speaker 1: really embarrassing to look back and now that I'm in
Speaker 1: like a healthy relationship and just like realize, like what
Speaker 1: I thought was love and what I was putting up
Speaker 1: with We don't need to name names.
Speaker 2: But in the past, yea, he is in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah we got a hit song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's worth it. But yeah, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: real If my boyfriend now broke up with me, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what I would do with myself, Like
Speaker 1: I thought that, oh and me emotionally and I don't
Speaker 1: even I can't mentally handle my boyfriend ever leaving me
Speaker 1: and he knows, so he won't.
Speaker 2: Okay, glad y'all all have that pet because we do.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was thinking about this because I
Speaker 2: feel like we go through heartbreak our whole life, and
Speaker 2: it feels like the biggest thing in the world at
Speaker 2: that moment. Right, Like you're young and you have your
Speaker 2: first ever crush and it's devastating, but then you experience
Speaker 2: your next crush and you're like, well that was nothing.
Speaker 2: So it's like, is that just how it continues?
Speaker 1: It's kind of scary, say, I've already met it, it's
Speaker 1: so made at nineteen great, but I'm kids can get
Speaker 1: married him.
Speaker 2: How did you all meet?
Speaker 1: We met at the gym? Oh wow, we kind of
Speaker 1: like I already kind of knew him ish from the
Speaker 1: gym when I started talking to him, but like literally
Speaker 1: the first time he texted me, I was like, I
Speaker 1: love him. I'm gonna marry him. I told all my friends, like,
Speaker 1: and I had not even had a full conversation with him,
Speaker 1: Like he just texted me one thing that was funny,
Speaker 1: and I was like, love him, obsessed, And then I
Speaker 1: talked to him for like weeks on end, and I
Speaker 1: came back from a trip and I had like twelve
Speaker 1: hours on the island home before I had to go
Speaker 1: to Europe for two months and hang out with him
Speaker 1: once and was like, this is gonna have to be
Speaker 1: long distance, but we knew we liked each other, like
Speaker 1: just from hanging out once, and then we did long
Speaker 1: distance for like two months, and then when I finally
Speaker 1: came back, he was like, Okay, now I can ask
Speaker 1: you to be my girlfriend. Because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: ask you over text or FaceTime because he waited to
Speaker 1: be in person. I was annoyed. It was like, it's
Speaker 1: cute because you're like wow, like you're such a gentleman,
Speaker 1: But like I had to tell people we've been dating
Speaker 1: for a year and a half instead of year and
Speaker 1: eight months, and that's really frustrating for me.
Speaker 2: You can tell me a year and eight Yes, I
Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, that's like my girlfriend. We met in April,
Speaker 2: and like in my mind, from the first moment we met,
Speaker 2: we were together the.
Speaker 1: Same I say, we started like we've always been together
Speaker 1: in two.
Speaker 2: Years and in August, So April to August that's a
Speaker 2: good chunk of times. She goes, are you gonna ask
Speaker 2: me to be your girlfriend? And I go, are we
Speaker 2: not girling where we were? And she's like, well you
Speaker 2: have to ask me. I'm like, well, you've been in
Speaker 2: a relationship with woman before. I haven't done that, So
Speaker 2: like I didn't know that was part of the rules.
Speaker 2: I thought I thought it was just established together. So
Speaker 2: so now when we celebrate our anniversary, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: not doing.
Speaker 1: Everyone I talked to has that same story. Like my
Speaker 1: best friend too is like Ben says, we've been dating
Speaker 1: for this long, but we've actually been dating for this long.
Speaker 2: Like it's everyone really complicated. Yeah, but we're all happy.
Speaker 2: That's that's the main It's fine. The main thing.
Speaker 1: We're still together, so it's fine.
Speaker 2: I wish so my co host Tanya, she was out today,
Speaker 2: but I wish she was here because we were talking
Speaker 2: about the song that part and she was like, I
Speaker 2: feel like that's me. That's she said, I feel like
Speaker 2: that's me right now because she's like waiting to get engaged,
Speaker 2: so she's like ready for the next part. And I'm like, Tanya,
Speaker 2: that song has been your whole relationship. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: was like, when are we getting to the next phase?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: No, that's honestly really what the song is about. Like
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people have interpreted it
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, Lauren wants to get engaged right now,
Speaker 1: which like I do, but it's just been like the
Speaker 1: story of since day one, I've wanted to get engaged,
Speaker 1: like I want to marry you, and I've always felt
Speaker 1: that way from like day one, so it's like kind
Speaker 1: of just having that feeling from day one, not necessarily
Speaker 1: like we're actually getting engaged right now.
Speaker 2: Is he your first love?
Speaker 1: I don't. I think I guess. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: what we were just talking about makes it seem like
Speaker 1: seventeen year old me would have been like no, like
Speaker 1: this was my first love. But now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: that was like nothing. I was a child, Like this
Speaker 1: feels like it is my first love. But I also
Speaker 1: hate saying that because and everyone says, like, you leave
Speaker 1: your first love.
Speaker 2: So I hate when I see that stuff because I
Speaker 2: had never been in love before I met my girlfriend.
Speaker 2: So when we met, she's my first love. She's not
Speaker 2: my first relationship. She's the first time I've been in love.
Speaker 2: And then people will be like the first heartbreak is your.
Speaker 1: First love, and I'm like, and I know if I
Speaker 1: would jump off a bridge if I broke.
Speaker 2: Up, No, no, no, we need good music. You can't just
Speaker 2: jump off a bridge. We got to have like they would,
Speaker 2: I would not.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like I tell you right now, I am
Speaker 1: dead if Matt breaks up with me. A lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on his shoulders.
Speaker 2: Matt, if you're hearing this, if you're listening.
Speaker 1: To, don't break up with me, babe, everyone else needs
Speaker 1: you to not break up with me.
Speaker 2: We need you, Matt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know. I don't like saying that
Speaker 1: because there's that like myth about it.
Speaker 2: No. No, no, yeah, we're good. We're good. Does he
Speaker 2: is he your age or y'all both?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, he's four years older than me.
Speaker 2: Okay, Actually, so when y'all started dating basically long distance
Speaker 2: and you had these intense feelings for him, how was that,
Speaker 2: because that long distance is no joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very like for months, I just thought
Speaker 1: he was going to break up with me and that
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be with someone who's traveling all
Speaker 1: the time. And like he says, he likes it now,
Speaker 1: but this is just the honeymoon phase. But my boyfriend
Speaker 1: is very reassuring. Like even like the other day, I
Speaker 1: had forgotten that we even do long distance because it's
Speaker 1: just like how our life is, so it's so normal,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Babe, I think I need to
Speaker 1: thank you again. Because like no one else would be
Speaker 1: willing to date someone who just like constantly is all
Speaker 1: of the world, like, hey, I'm going away for six weeks,
Speaker 1: like you're not going to see me, and he's just
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent completely fine with it, and he's
Speaker 1: always been like that from day one. But I knew
Speaker 1: he felt the same way back, so I I overthought
Speaker 1: all the time, but I did know deep down that
Speaker 1: he felt the same way. So I was like, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: You felt safe. Yeah, I'm going to tell my girlfriend
Speaker 2: that she needs to start thanking me a little bit
Speaker 2: more with her while she's traveling around the world.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot to add. Like I genuinely thought
Speaker 1: I was going to be single till I was like
Speaker 1: forty and just like adopt a kid by myself because
Speaker 1: I was like, nobody will ever want to be with
Speaker 1: an artist. It's like the most complicated lifestyle to have
Speaker 1: to be with, Like you can't do normal things like
Speaker 1: me and my boyfriend want to get a dog and
Speaker 1: we're like, well, you're not famous enough to get a
Speaker 1: dog because like you're not on an arena tour. But
Speaker 1: like if you're on an arena tour, like you can
Speaker 1: bring the dog, you have an assistant to look after
Speaker 1: the dog, like all those things, and then like you
Speaker 1: just can't do normal Yeah, well things like if even
Speaker 1: if I wanted to have kids at like twenty five,
Speaker 1: like I can't. That's probably like peak arena tour moment.
Speaker 1: I'm not having kids in the middle of that. Like,
Speaker 1: there's so many things that I feel like in my
Speaker 1: eyes of what I want my life to be, like
Speaker 1: I want to do things with my career first, and
Speaker 1: like he I'm very thankful that he's just completely fine
Speaker 1: with all of it.
Speaker 2: Well, you do have to think of things differently, Like
Speaker 2: you do have to think of things in a different
Speaker 2: timeline than people who have a traditional job or have
Speaker 2: traditional schedules, because you're able to be like, Okay, if
Speaker 2: I'm gone, you can watch the dog whatever. But you're
Speaker 2: like I'm always doing that.
Speaker 1: I'm always gone, And like I just feel like you
Speaker 1: miss The only holiday that I feel like I can
Speaker 1: always guarantee I'll probably be home for is like Christmas,
Speaker 1: and that's probably only because I'm very like I want
Speaker 1: to be home for Christmas. But like you missed like
Speaker 1: so many birthdays and just so many things that are
Speaker 1: like important to every person usually, and they just have
Speaker 1: to be like completely okay with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I've known who you are
Speaker 2: for a long time and known your songs and your
Speaker 2: your TikTok and everything. But for those who don't know
Speaker 2: about you or your story, when did things become not
Speaker 2: normal for you? Like when did you have that moment
Speaker 2: of going like, oh, it's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. My Fingers Crossed came out because I tease
Speaker 1: Fingers Crossed in November, but it didn't come out until January.
Speaker 1: It's a very long teasing period.
Speaker 2: Wait was that just this last year?
Speaker 1: It was twenty twenty two?
Speaker 2: Oh so last last November?
Speaker 1: It camest it November twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Oh nouh gotcha?
Speaker 1: Okay January thirty twenty two. Okay, So like I guess almost,
Speaker 1: I guess a year and a half ago. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: even when I was teasing it, I didn't think I
Speaker 1: knew it was big, but I had teased stuff before.
Speaker 1: I didn't do as well as Fingers Crossed, but I
Speaker 1: just thought, oh, i'll put it out. Yeah, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: make some money. Great, I'll stay living in my house
Speaker 1: like it, I'll be wonderful. And then like the second
Speaker 1: it came out, like I got a call that was
Speaker 1: like it's number one on this This isn't this like
Speaker 1: we're finding you to New York tomorrow at like five
Speaker 1: in the morning, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like what, Oh my god. I hit it to myself.
Speaker 1: And like from then it was just like meeting with
Speaker 1: labels and doing and ever since, I feel like I've
Speaker 1: not been home for more than two weeks.
Speaker 2: At a time. I mean, it's so exciting to have
Speaker 2: that happen because I feel like a lot of people,
Speaker 2: especially when you have a viral moment, it's like the
Speaker 2: fear of like will this continue after this song and
Speaker 2: you've had You've maintained it. You Like I was looking
Speaker 2: at your TikTok right before you walked in, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you still have people that are like more and more
Speaker 2: and more, like they're always wanting more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's terrifying when fingers Cross blew up. I didn't
Speaker 1: think about that instantly, I cause I I didn't have
Speaker 1: in my head that I was putting out another song
Speaker 1: for like a while. But the second I started to
Speaker 1: put out new music, I was like, oh God, like
Speaker 1: maybe my success is in the past, like how am
Speaker 1: I gonna maintain this? And even for a while after
Speaker 1: Flowers came out, like I just I have not had
Speaker 1: a song do as well as Fingers Crossing Flowers ever
Speaker 1: since they came out, and I was like, I'm a failure,
Speaker 1: like my rears over and my good days are in
Speaker 1: or behind me. And then like that part started to
Speaker 1: do kind of mood. I was like, I'm back, It's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna be successful one day.
Speaker 2: That's a roller coaster, yeah, And I am trying to
Speaker 2: think of I'm thinking of myself. I'm thirty four, so
Speaker 2: myself at your like myself right now. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I could handle that. Yeah, So I think of
Speaker 2: myself at nineteen and thinking of that pressure that I
Speaker 2: would put on myself of like can I do it again?
Speaker 2: Do people care?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or do they care about what I have to say?
Speaker 2: But people are obsessed with you. They love you like
Speaker 2: you're just You'll just be singing in a parking garage
Speaker 2: and because you're always like you could. You're one of
Speaker 2: those people who could sing the alphabet and people would
Speaker 2: be like, that's amazing, undone, We've never heard it before
Speaker 2: because your voice is so good. But I've always wondered
Speaker 2: what it was like to have that type of success
Speaker 2: in like such an instant and then and then be
Speaker 2: able to maintain it is like, really an incredible thing
Speaker 2: that you've been able to do. You have a song
Speaker 2: on there about It's called twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: So I was listening to it and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is this about, Oh, it's about your your dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dating.
Speaker 1: I've had so many people ask me this, and every
Speaker 1: time I'm like.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I mean, for people who are in the same situation,
Speaker 1: they know what it's about. And then there's all the
Speaker 1: people who have like their parents are together, or like
Speaker 1: their mom or dad have never dated anybody else, so
Speaker 1: they would have no idea what it's about. And for
Speaker 1: those people, I just never talk because I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: just glad you don't know what I'm going through, honestly,
Speaker 1: But everyone who has been through it is like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what this is about.
Speaker 2: Have they heard it?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like they I've never met her. Still the
Speaker 1: main thing, Honestly, I debated putting that song up for
Speaker 1: so long, Like I mean, I could start crying talking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I debated for so long, being like what are the
Speaker 1: pros of putting us out? What are the cons? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like when you're a songwriter, you write so
Speaker 1: many songs about people, but like they're not in your
Speaker 1: life anymore, right, so you're like, I don't give yeah,
Speaker 1: but like when you're actually writing about like there's so
Speaker 1: many songs I've written that I just tell people there
Speaker 1: about relationships and like they're about somebody that maybe is
Speaker 1: still in my life in this moment, because I don't
Speaker 1: want to hurt that person's feelings. But it was such
Speaker 1: a direct thing that I was like, ooh, this is
Speaker 1: going to be so obvious if I put it out,
Speaker 1: which I will say, I probably put it out. You
Speaker 1: know when they say you should wait till you're over
Speaker 1: it to make like a rash decision, right, Like I'm
Speaker 1: still not over it. So I just decided to put
Speaker 1: it out, like in a moment of still being upset
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, which I don't know if in five
Speaker 1: years if I'm gonna regret that, but I will say
Speaker 1: they have definitely heard it and they're not stokes that.
Speaker 2: It is out. I will say that I think that
Speaker 2: sometimes there's things where there's fear in releasing something. But
Speaker 2: the thing is is you can look back and be like, wonder,
Speaker 2: how will I feel about releasing this, But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: what you're going through now, and what you're going through
Speaker 2: now happened, whether there's something good happens from it, or
Speaker 2: if it just stays where it's like not a great situation,
Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, this is happening right now, and
Speaker 2: their feelings happen right now.
Speaker 1: So when I started teasing it, I still hadn't decided like, oh,
Speaker 1: should I put this out or should just be like
Speaker 1: a one video thing? And then after I started teasing it,
Speaker 1: every single person was commenting like, oh, like my stepmom's
Speaker 1: only like ten years older than me, Like there's not
Speaker 1: a song about this. And then I started seeing like
Speaker 1: literally millions of people commenting the exact same thing, and
Speaker 1: I thought I was like totally alone and just being
Speaker 1: over dramatic, like majority of my families, like Lawrence being
Speaker 1: over dramatic, this is ridiculous, and I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: being over dramatic. This is weird, like and like the
Speaker 1: story was never like this is just weird to me,
Speaker 1: Like I'm allowed to feel weird about it, Like I
Speaker 1: don't feel weird about it and still accept it and
Speaker 1: just be like this is weird. Yeah, And there were
Speaker 1: so many just like young kids that I feel like,
Speaker 1: especially in situations like this at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like you want everyone to be happy, but like I
Speaker 1: feel like you don't blame your parents for this, but
Speaker 1: like they obviously just make decisions when they want to
Speaker 1: be happy as well. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: the people who relate to this song their parents made
Speaker 1: a decision when they were younger that they didn't even
Speaker 1: realize would affect their kids until their kids became a teenager,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, oh, I'm hanging out with someone
Speaker 1: that's like six years older than me, and my stepmom's
Speaker 1: only six years older than me. And you didn't realize
Speaker 1: it was weird when you were a kid until you
Speaker 1: got older. But the second I saw everybody, what are
Speaker 1: you relating to it? I was like, I have to
Speaker 1: put this out now. Now I feel obligated to be
Speaker 1: the spokesperson for this situation.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we also forget our parents are humans, yeah,
Speaker 2: going through life for the first time too.
Speaker 1: The older I get, the more I forgive my parents
Speaker 1: for things. There's some things that, like even the situation
Speaker 1: at hand is forgivable, but like the way the situation
Speaker 1: went about, I'm like, I wouldn't do it that way.
Speaker 1: But I've also made so many mistakes in life that
Speaker 1: the older I get, I'm like, oh, I see why
Speaker 1: my mom did that, or oh I see when my
Speaker 1: dad did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's things, like a lot of things
Speaker 2: I'll go it's forgivable, but I am not so quick
Speaker 2: to forget it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm not forgetting. Honestly, I'm probably not
Speaker 1: even forgiving. I'm just like, we're just gonna be like
Speaker 1: super passive about it and just move on, because I
Speaker 1: guess I have to move on from this in order
Speaker 1: to keep you in my life, and I will not forget. Like,
Speaker 1: if you piss me off in six months, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: rebring this up, probably in the.
Speaker 2: Argument playing blast this song yeah in the background. When
Speaker 2: you decide to tease music, how is there like a
Speaker 2: system to it or is there a way that you
Speaker 2: do it? That's what I'm trying to ask. Is is
Speaker 2: it like a calculated thing that you do or is
Speaker 2: it just I love this song and I want to
Speaker 2: tease I think people are gonna like it.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of both Okay. I get
Speaker 1: like gut feelings about songs, and I'm like, this has
Speaker 1: to be out. I love this, this is fire, Like
Speaker 1: this is the most relatable thing I've ever written. I
Speaker 1: go on like crazy, I need to put this out.
Speaker 1: Modes of things. I will say sometimes I think a
Speaker 1: song is good and like I wrote it for a
Speaker 1: therapeutic reason that if I don't think it's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent relatable to a lot of people, I won't always
Speaker 1: be the first song that I choose. I might still
Speaker 1: put it on my album, but like, if it's not
Speaker 1: the most relatable, it might not be the next thing
Speaker 1: that I pick. I do try to have some type
Speaker 1: of reason as to why I think other people would
Speaker 1: relate to it before I tease it. But I do
Speaker 1: normally like most of the songs I write, so I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna be unhappy like picking one or the other.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, the whole album is so good,
Speaker 2: and in my mind, I'm thinking what song is on
Speaker 2: there that people don't relate to? Like you want a
Speaker 2: song about a best friend breakup, which there's not many
Speaker 2: songs about that, Like I think we hear so many
Speaker 2: songs about romantic breakups, but it's a song about your
Speaker 2: best friend. Ultimately, I'm dating someone and friend anyone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you do you feel like you are that friend ever?
Speaker 2: Like now that you're in a relationship where.
Speaker 1: You're I'm like, I think my best friend relates to
Speaker 1: the best friend breakup from my I literally think about
Speaker 1: it all the time. I'm like, oh, I totally did
Speaker 1: that to my friends, like I should probably I probably
Speaker 1: owe the person who I wrote best and makeup about
Speaker 1: and apology for the way that I act in my relationship.
Speaker 1: But now that I'm older and I'm not friends with
Speaker 1: that person anymore, Like a lot of the song was
Speaker 1: written from like no hatred, Like it was just like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's really crazy. I know their middle name, I know
Speaker 1: everything about them, and like I see her in the
Speaker 1: store and we just have an awkward conversation as if
Speaker 1: we don't know each other. Like there was no like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm still mad about this. Obviously when I was like
Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen, I was pissed, but now I look
Speaker 1: back and being like, oh, okay, I get it, Like
Speaker 1: it's fine, Like I hope you're happy in your relationship,
Speaker 1: but I feel like sometimes in my situation it's a
Speaker 1: little bit different because I started dating Matt literally right
Speaker 1: as I started teasing fingers crossed, So my life also
Speaker 1: has something different, which also stops me from being able
Speaker 1: to have normal friendships with people. Yeah, and like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of friends I used to have, but I
Speaker 1: just can't be friends with them anymore because it was
Speaker 1: like a high maintenance friendship, like we hung out every
Speaker 1: single day, we always talk to each other, and now
Speaker 1: like you just have to be cool that I don't
Speaker 1: answer the phone for five days because I'm so busy
Speaker 1: and I can't, in my ten seconds of peace be like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's going on with them today? Like I just have
Speaker 1: to sit alone in silence and be like everything's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. So I feel like my situation is a
Speaker 1: little bit different. I try to balance it, but it
Speaker 1: is true. You just end up being with your partner
Speaker 1: more than impress else.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, how do you manage that? Because
Speaker 2: does it get lonely when you're like let's say you're
Speaker 2: gone and you don't have your friends and Matt's busy,
Speaker 2: But what do you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm probably just depressed. I will say I'm pretty fortunate,
Speaker 1: Like my mom comes a lot of places with me.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend actually comes a decent amount, probably more than
Speaker 1: like other people that I know. I'm also pretty fortunate
Speaker 1: that my boyfriend's job is not like him needing to
Speaker 1: be somewhere constantly all the time, so he can and
Speaker 1: has the ability to come and be with me. I'm
Speaker 1: also pretty close with like everyone that I have to
Speaker 1: do starts with my guitarist, like my videographer. Like I
Speaker 1: would say those people are my friends and I would
Speaker 1: hang out with them, so I wouldn't say I probably
Speaker 1: get as lonely as other people. And like this tour,
Speaker 1: my best friend, who I wrote majority of my album with,
Speaker 1: is opening, so I'm gonna have my best friend there
Speaker 1: the entire time. I perfect make sure my life is
Speaker 1: like this. If my mom and my boyfriend and my
Speaker 1: best friend were not in my life, I would be
Speaker 1: so down bad.
Speaker 2: That is genius. You have your best friend opening for you.
Speaker 1: And I feel like sometimes when you bring it up
Speaker 1: to like maybe even like your team's like really and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm going to be vented on stable if
Speaker 1: you don't say yes to this, like just like trun.
Speaker 2: The tour, Yeah, this is the best case scenario.
Speaker 1: It's always even like so like can I bring all
Speaker 1: of my friends on the road? Like it's also pretty
Speaker 1: fortunate that a lot of people I am friends with
Speaker 1: also do music and they're like similar levels to me.
Speaker 1: So if I wanted to bring like my friend Alexander
Speaker 1: on the road, it's like, oh cool, Like yeah, he's
Speaker 1: super talent, Like we want to show people his music.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like it's just a rando like who
Speaker 1: is doing nothing?
Speaker 2: Doesn't do to me? He has like no skill. My
Speaker 2: girlfriend's like she can't dance, Like what do I do
Speaker 2: with this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's actually someone that is talented and bringing
Speaker 1: benefit to the tour. So it just works out.
Speaker 2: Do you what's your when you go on tour? Star?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's very soon? Are you on a bus? What's your tour?
Speaker 1: On a busy? Bus is full? I do not have
Speaker 1: my own bus. It's not like that. I'm not famous
Speaker 1: like that, So we're all just on one.
Speaker 2: How many people?
Speaker 1: Twelve eleven? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you know what bunk? Or do you have a
Speaker 2: are you? Do you know what bunk you don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm gonna rock a middle bunk. All right,
Speaker 1: he's gonna see he says, I'm gonna want middle.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, So my girlfriend just got off her tour
Speaker 2: and she was on a bus with fifteen other people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she's been asking people who are touring, like, what
Speaker 2: what bunked did? She had a horror. I think she
Speaker 2: did top, but I actually think she's tough. I think
Speaker 2: she did bottom too, And I just think it was
Speaker 2: just a rough situation.
Speaker 1: She feel bad for like obviously, because I'm the artist,
Speaker 1: I get to choose, so like you feel bad for
Speaker 1: everyone else, and it's like, well if something gets taken,
Speaker 1: like it's just like that sucks, Like you're just not
Speaker 1: gonna get the funk you want. I do feel bad
Speaker 1: that I don't have the pressure of walking and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I better not getting the top bunk. Like I
Speaker 1: do get the privilege of being like cool, like I
Speaker 1: can pick and someone else is gonna have to move.
Speaker 2: You're like, can we go on a test ride? And
Speaker 2: like they just test each level.
Speaker 1: A different one every night just to know which one
Speaker 1: I liked the most.
Speaker 2: You're like sorry to two other people. You won't be
Speaker 2: shuttled a night move. Thank you so much, thanks for
Speaker 2: being here. Do you have a dream collab? Who's your
Speaker 2: Like I'm talking, you could call this person up. They're
Speaker 2: gonna say, yes, let's meet up. Who is that person?
Speaker 1: Like, I want to say JP Sachs, but like I
Speaker 1: already know I could. I think I could do that.
Speaker 1: I have friends with him and we do want to
Speaker 1: like write together and stuff, So I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to say somebody else.
Speaker 2: I think that'd be the saddest song ever written. Potably
Speaker 2: it would be literally it could break it to be
Speaker 2: about or something.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, I see. I don't know because I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of the people I want to collab with
Speaker 1: are like not the biggest artists in the world.
Speaker 2: That's okay, I was I literally thought you were gonna
Speaker 2: say Taylor swe So I was like sure.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like everyone says, like the biggest
Speaker 1: artist in the world. But I'm like, maybe, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: actually Olivia Rodrigo I would be, or Sabrina Carpenter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe Olivia. I if I could like compare my music
Speaker 1: style of just like how I like to write, yea
Speaker 1: like one artist that I would say is a huge artist,
Speaker 1: like the only person I could think of. I guess
Speaker 1: it would be like Olivia, like maybe Adele. Like Adele's
Speaker 1: is a lot more mature, like mine is very more
Speaker 1: in the Olivia lane of yeah, teenage girl breakups and
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But your sound is like Adele, like it's very mature
Speaker 2: and it's very it doesn't I don't think people like
Speaker 2: if I were to listen to the album and had
Speaker 2: no idea how old you are, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's that could be that's Adele's younger counterparts. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: then but I knew and and I think listening to
Speaker 2: the album, hearing all the different levels of heartbreak and
Speaker 2: sadness in different areas of your life, I'm like, we
Speaker 2: need to check on this girl. She's doing Okay, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I'm one of those people that like I
Speaker 1: could just be hit with like a million things and
Speaker 1: I'm not fine, but I will continue to just like
Speaker 1: keep going.
Speaker 2: What wind your birthday?
Speaker 1: September?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You're are you indecisive all the time?
Speaker 1: Really not with like career moves, Like I'm very like very.
Speaker 2: Much you know what you want?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, here's the thing. So like when I I
Speaker 1: know what I want in my career and like how
Speaker 1: I want to live my life and what I want
Speaker 1: in life like dream boards like everything, but like taking
Speaker 1: what food to eat too much a disaster, like I
Speaker 1: will never I can't decide. I'm in decisive about things
Speaker 1: that don't matter. Okay, the things that matter. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I know what I want, Like you can't convince me otherwise.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great thing. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 2: other way. I think I'm more. I think I know
Speaker 2: more about what I want to eat than my life
Speaker 2: big choices. So I would happily trade places with you
Speaker 2: on that one. When's your boyfriend's birthday?
Speaker 1: I know his birthday? I was just like, pros question,
Speaker 1: he is a Gemini?
Speaker 2: Interesting?
Speaker 1: Which like that he literally just gets bullied because he's
Speaker 1: a Gemini. Okay, Like I met him and I was like,
Speaker 1: what's your zoa excited? He didn't say anything, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, you what is your zodiac about being weird?
Speaker 1: And then he was like no, like people always bully
Speaker 1: and I was like, you're a Gemini. But then we
Speaker 1: looked it up and Lee brand Geminis are like the
Speaker 1: most compatible signs because they're both air signs. So how
Speaker 1: he's also like the opposite of a Gemini. Yeah, other geminis.
Speaker 1: I know one girl that I went to school with,
Speaker 1: she's a Gemini.
Speaker 2: I also think men and women like completely, it's so different,
Speaker 2: really different. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because my boyfriend's like the kindest soul ever, Like
Speaker 1: he's not two faced. He's very straightforward and how he
Speaker 1: feels about things and like is the kindest person ever.
Speaker 1: And the Gemini that I know is like not like that.
Speaker 2: So they're very different. And that song is best Friend Breakup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, she's not a Gemini.
Speaker 2: I always ask about signs, like I know so much
Speaker 2: but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, and I just think I know.
Speaker 2: It's just fun to ask, and I like to see
Speaker 2: because I always like to see people's reactions.
Speaker 1: I feel like I only know six, like six signs,
Speaker 1: so someone will be like I'm a Capricorn. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know that one. There's like I only know
Speaker 1: the ones of whoever is like in my life, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're not a Libra or a Gemini.
Speaker 2: Cool. I feel mildly confident out about six out of twelve. Yes,
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 1: I don't know like more than seven. I don't think
Speaker 1: off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: I'm proud of us for knowing them. Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to keep up with. Yeah, what are
Speaker 2: your when you are on? Like do you scroll? TikTok uh? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're a scroller? You're not just a poster.
Speaker 1: No, I think you have to scroll to know what
Speaker 1: to post interesting. Yeah, I think it's really important. It's
Speaker 1: even just in song with songwriting, to like be up
Speaker 1: to date of like what's going on socially. Like if
Speaker 1: there's something going on the Internet where everyone's saying, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy has green flags, I'm going to write a
Speaker 1: song called like green Flags. Like, I think it's really
Speaker 1: important even just as an artist though, to be like
Speaker 1: socially aware of what's going on emotionally with people.
Speaker 2: So my girlfriend doesn't scroll, but she posts, but she
Speaker 2: doesn't know trends, So like I'll be like, oh, did
Speaker 2: you see that's whatever? And so I feel like I
Speaker 2: am her designated scroller. She's like, I don't even like
Speaker 2: I a percentage from this girl. You're right, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to bring that up. I was giving her ideas
Speaker 2: today actually, so I'm going to bring that up. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for the fight that will be cause tonight. Sorry,
Speaker 2: what's your favorite What is your favorite song on this
Speaker 2: new album?
Speaker 1: I think I have two? Okay, the first one is
Speaker 1: Bigger Person. Okay, yeah, that's song just like still to
Speaker 1: this day emotionally ruins me and do it all again.
Speaker 2: Are you comfortable talking about what what these are about?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, what's Bigger Person about.
Speaker 1: Bigger Person is about two people in my life that
Speaker 1: constantly just can't get it together, and like, no matter what,
Speaker 1: in order to have them in my life, I have
Speaker 1: to be the bigger person and bite my tongue on
Speaker 1: every single situation. And if it was any other type
Speaker 1: of person in my life, like it was just a friend,
Speaker 1: they would have been kicked out of the door so
Speaker 1: many years ago. But like there's like even the lyric
Speaker 1: like it says you don't always choose the ones you love,
Speaker 1: because like I don't have a choice to not love
Speaker 1: these people, like I have to be the bigger person.
Speaker 1: And like also for the longest time, I was the
Speaker 1: biggest people pleaser ever, so it's a very like I'll
Speaker 1: be the bigger person, so I can stay in this
Speaker 1: friendship or like stay in this relationship with these people,
Speaker 1: and I still those people are still in my life.
Speaker 1: So that song every time it is like just I'm
Speaker 1: an emotional mess. But do it all again? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like tear up listening to it. Do It
Speaker 1: All Again is just from the perspective of I got
Speaker 1: to the end of the album and realized if none
Speaker 1: of those bad things happened to me, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: my album, I wouldn't be with my current boyfriend, Like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be in a happier place. And it was
Speaker 1: kind of like a think I think my ex kind
Speaker 1: of song, like thanks for looking up my life, yeah,
Speaker 1: because now I'm where I want to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you said in the at the very beginning
Speaker 2: we were saying that. I was like, who is this
Speaker 2: guy the regard and you were like, I would the
Speaker 2: stuff I put up with? What were the things that
Speaker 2: you put up with?
Speaker 1: That's just so sad, Like I just feel like the
Speaker 1: way I was gas lit and stuff like that is
Speaker 1: so crazy to think about. Like I'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: like you know, we just got an argument and you
Speaker 1: blocked me for five days like that, like not cool,
Speaker 1: and then they'd be like, oh, what's because you did this?
Speaker 1: And I'd be like okay, and then just like move on.
Speaker 1: And I'm like that if my boyfriend ever blocked me, yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Man would be like I would like he would be
Speaker 2: thrown off the bridge, like a bridge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is not I would never ever do that
Speaker 1: to someone. And that's like a boundary of mind that
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not appropriate if you can't have an
Speaker 1: adult conversation with me about something, like you're not in
Speaker 1: my life anymore. And just like so many little things
Speaker 1: like that were like in arguments, I would just let
Speaker 1: myself be talked down or made think that I was
Speaker 1: just like crazy or like a psycho for like being
Speaker 1: mad about something. And my boyfriend would never anytime I'm
Speaker 1: upset about something, He'll just validate why I'm upset and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, cool, that's reasonable, Like here's I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to hurt your feelings, but I understand why you're
Speaker 1: upset about what I said. And it's really sad that
Speaker 1: that's shocking for people in this world. But everything that
Speaker 1: went wrong, I was just constantly convinced it was my fault.
Speaker 1: Like when it wasn't and like, I'm now a very
Speaker 1: big believer that like two people can be in the
Speaker 1: wrong at the exact same time, and there's never one
Speaker 1: person right about any argument. It's always just about perspective.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like I was with someone that
Speaker 1: always made me think I was just so crazy, a narcissist.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: Do you go to therapy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I actually haven't been in like two months. Maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had something going in my personal life that was
Speaker 1: like too much to deal with, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't go to therapy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're like I can't.
Speaker 1: I just can't, and I haven't rebooked it. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: step away, and honest, we've actually just been so busy
Speaker 1: that I haven't had time. Yeah. So I don't know
Speaker 1: when I was supposed to do it on tour, like
Speaker 1: maybe at the gym or something. But well, you're just
Speaker 1: so you.
Speaker 2: Talk about people pleasing, and I imagine when you were
Speaker 2: with someone who treated you like that, there's that element
Speaker 2: of people pleasing like I don't you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be the bad person or or I need
Speaker 2: to make sure they're okay. But that's a significant difference
Speaker 2: of the way you're speaking about yourself now and your relationship.
Speaker 1: Now looking back, I don't even know who I was.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I wonder if my high school friends hung
Speaker 1: out with me now, Like I think they would be
Speaker 1: so shocked. Like I just feel I'm like the same
Speaker 1: person when it comes to being outgoing and like funny
Speaker 1: and like just the same me that like the way
Speaker 1: I look at things is so I'm embarrassed how I
Speaker 1: used to handle things.
Speaker 2: I promise you're gonna have things that you continue to
Speaker 2: look back on now and say the same thing, and
Speaker 2: that's just, you know, part of the fun of life. Well,
Speaker 2: I am so excited for people to hear this album.
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful, and I I'm sorry that you went
Speaker 2: through so many things like this, but I'm also like
Speaker 2: so incredibly impressed with how you've turned it into such
Speaker 2: a beautiful piece of work. And I'm so excited for
Speaker 2: your tour. And where can people follow you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? At R Smith pretty much every platform anywhere you
Speaker 1: got your name Instagram to except Twitter. Twitter doesn't allow
Speaker 1: you to have more than sixteen characters, and my name
Speaker 1: is more than sixteen characters. But it's fine, and that's
Speaker 1: why I don't use Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Twitter, you
Speaker 1: hear that other situation.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for scrumming in.
Speaker 3: It was so great meeting you and talking with you.
Speaker 2: You thought we were signing off, but I just found
Speaker 2: out that you are a Gray's Anatomy fan.
Speaker 1: Rry, Like, I I saw them on the carpet and
Speaker 1: I started bawling my eyes out. Yeah I saw Ellen,
Speaker 1: I know, I saw them all. Actually I saw Okay,
Speaker 1: I actually don't know the other people's real names, but
Speaker 1: Da Bailey, Richard, oh, I know. Alex was not there.
Speaker 1: Schmidt was there, and I spoke to Schmidt.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's Jake Brelli.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Wilson was there.
Speaker 2: Joe Wilson, Joe wils We had Camilla on our podcast.
Speaker 1: There is there was a few. There was like just
Speaker 1: a nice little where was of them People's choice? Oh
Speaker 1: my yeah, it was like one of the I still like,
Speaker 1: I think I haven't watched Gray's Anatomy in like so
Speaker 1: long because I met them. I was like, I just can't, like.
Speaker 2: I love them. So when did you start watching?
Speaker 1: Like when I was like thirteen or like twelve. Maybe
Speaker 1: I've watched the whole season, like every single season.
Speaker 2: Like you've watched that live or you like started binging it.
Speaker 1: No, I just started binging it over and over and over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen it. Sometimes there's so many videos of me,
Speaker 1: like in the car with headphones on it. I'm just full,
Speaker 1: like sobbing at Derek's death. Like I watched the Derek's
Speaker 1: death episode like an hour before I was supposed to
Speaker 1: go on stage, and it's just me, Like you can
Speaker 1: actually hear in the background of the video, Trevor's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think we're going left here, and I'm in the
Speaker 1: fact like what, like you just died, And everyone in
Speaker 1: my car is like is she okay? Like why would
Speaker 1: she watch? But it's like I love it, like I
Speaker 1: want like the pain, like I want to watch the
Speaker 1: episode over and over and over to feel something.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could watch that one over
Speaker 2: and over again, like oh my god. Okay, So when
Speaker 2: Derek died spoiler alert to anyone who hasn't watched.
Speaker 1: It behind Okay, if people keep messaging my Instagram being
Speaker 1: like you're spoiling Grays and I'm like, this is like
Speaker 1: a season five thing. If you haven't seen it by now,
Speaker 1: that's on you.
Speaker 2: Like this is a decade old. So literally I watched this.
Speaker 1: I was like eleven.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like turning twenty. That's on you, not me,
Speaker 2: that you've had plenty of time, plenty of time. I
Speaker 2: was with my mom and I was on the couch
Speaker 2: and I'm like sobbing and she looks down and she goes,
Speaker 2: are you okay? And I was like this has been
Speaker 2: my boyfriend. I was like what And I was like
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I was to explain it. I felt
Speaker 2: like my boyfriend for however many years just died. And
Speaker 2: it was the most brutal written, brutally written storyline.
Speaker 1: Every single person is like dead. I'm like, who, literally,
Speaker 1: who's writing this storyline? Like? And then finally like Derek dies,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, like Lucas my guy.
Speaker 2: Now, oh yeah sorry.
Speaker 1: And I was like so shook when that happened because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh cool, like just another person. And
Speaker 1: now I'm just realizing in this moment, my biggest fear
Speaker 1: in life is people in my life dying. And I
Speaker 1: think it might pay crazes well.
Speaker 2: And the most like cruel.
Speaker 1: Thick way they get on al And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: take planes all the time, and like Lexi and everyone
Speaker 1: like died in this plane crash, like Arizona has no
Speaker 1: leg and every time I go in the air, I'm like,
Speaker 1: my leg's getting chopped off.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you really never know, but I don't. I
Speaker 2: think I don't see the Gray's Anatomy storylines being in
Speaker 2: your future.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope putting that out there. We had
Speaker 1: a few of them, but oh yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 2: What did you How did you feel about you've had
Speaker 2: a few of those?
Speaker 1: You said, yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Are you okay? No, but it's fine, So you can
Speaker 2: watch you can watch those episodes. I haven't, And you've
Speaker 2: lived through certain yeah, tragedies as such.
Speaker 1: There are some that are more recent than others that
Speaker 1: haven't watched it since I don't know if I can,
Speaker 1: because I actually watched something on Queer Eye the other
Speaker 1: day that was like a very similar situation. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm done, Like I can't watch this episode, but I
Speaker 1: like one of my best friends passed away when I
Speaker 1: was younger, and I've watched like Derek get hit by
Speaker 1: a car over and over, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: that episode for me is like just like a one
Speaker 1: and done and I have to skip it.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I don't know if I could
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I feel like there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: time since that one, you know, so I can watch Grays.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, what do you think? Do you feel like
Speaker 2: the old seasons are better? Like do you watch it
Speaker 2: now and have like?
Speaker 1: I think it like depends because they've introduced so many
Speaker 1: new characters. Yeah, that I love so many of the
Speaker 1: new characters. I just feel like it like shifts into
Speaker 1: a different show almost because the first fot like every
Speaker 1: season with George, I was like I love him, like
Speaker 1: that's my person. And then when he when Christina left,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this show is like taking a
Speaker 1: sideways to her and like she's not here anymore. But
Speaker 1: then the second like Alex and Joe started getting together,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I like the show again, but
Speaker 1: then then left fin Actually I think that episode ruins
Speaker 1: me the most of that. I actually watched that not
Speaker 1: that long ago, and I called my boyfriend and I
Speaker 1: was like, if you're with me for this many years
Speaker 1: and you leave me, I don't know what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 1: like watching and then Joe literally turns into like like
Speaker 1: a shell of herself and she's not even the same person.
Speaker 1: Like this is gonna be me, Like I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: like super famous and then you're gonna leave me and
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be like the end of my career. No,
Speaker 1: it's I feel like everyone in this room hasn't seen
Speaker 1: Grays right now is so confused about what's happening. But
Speaker 1: it's like the most heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: They're all texting that right now, like yeah you that
Speaker 2: after after he left Joe, I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to watch this show anymore.
Speaker 1: I obviously did, but I was very and then like
Speaker 1: oh and then like they put Meredith with what's his nuts,
Speaker 1: the Megan guy, Rick oh Riggs. Yeah, and they put
Speaker 1: her with him, and I loved her with him, and
Speaker 1: I was like wow, the first man like since Derek.
Speaker 1: And then like Meghan came back and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: good for Megan, but like, yeah, Meredith is like one
Speaker 1: double double whammad on the like no man thing I.
Speaker 2: Haven't This is my confession, this is my truth. I
Speaker 2: haven't like a single person that she's been with, sinceteric.
Speaker 1: And who that new guy that she was I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't like him comfortable.
Speaker 1: I don't mean, he looks like someone from my high
Speaker 1: school and it makes me uncomfortable. Like I'm like you, I'm.
Speaker 2: Always like he seems angry. I don't get why we're
Speaker 2: like this Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, no effects, nothing will ever. It's just
Speaker 1: like he's from Minnesota, she's from Seattle. It's not it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Like it's not gonna work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's impossible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like And then like he just is
Speaker 1: like not, he's not it for her.
Speaker 2: I agree, But like the only high I felt for
Speaker 2: Meredith since death is when they were on the beach
Speaker 2: and he was a ghost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what it was meant to be. And
Speaker 1: you guys just like ran him over with the truck.
Speaker 2: I liter was like, if Meredith dies, I'll be devastated,
Speaker 2: But if these episodes can continue with them on the
Speaker 2: beach together, I'm I can handle it.
Speaker 1: And they then like once Alex left, then she had
Speaker 1: no one and I was like, well, now the show
Speaker 1: is just like a bunch of like randos that were
Speaker 1: added in like season eight, and I don't like that.
Speaker 2: And it's like now I just feel like she's a
Speaker 2: teacher and I'm like, I don't feel like she has
Speaker 2: her own thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah she doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's devastating. Yeah, we've been through a lot, fans, and
Speaker 2: like that alone is reason to be in therapy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think people realize what we've been throught, and
Speaker 2: I get so emotional like the shooting episode, Like it's.
Speaker 1: Like, no, I remember having a lockdown at my school
Speaker 1: life and I was like we're all gonna die, Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get shot in the heart and have this
Speaker 1: whole thing like what Derek did in the hallway, because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out there and try and be the hero,
Speaker 1: like I everything that happens in my life. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that one episode where like.
Speaker 2: Sopis, you've really been through it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that serious lockdown was not that's serious. It was
Speaker 1: like I mean the fact that I mean there was
Speaker 1: like an entire squat teams running aund the school. But like,
Speaker 1: turns out it was nothing. I don't think I think
Speaker 1: it was nothing. We didn't really get the full intel.
Speaker 1: But you know you go in lockdown sometimes even just
Speaker 1: for like practice, and you're like instantly scared.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's episode Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think it's really silly. This is like off topic,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's really silly that it's not
Speaker 1: because it makes sense, but like how all the doors
Speaker 1: in the hospital would immediately lock and then like they'd
Speaker 1: be looking for like kids or like trying to get
Speaker 1: away from someone and the doors would be locked and
Speaker 1: they can't get out.
Speaker 2: It's it's like like.
Speaker 1: Same with what was the episode where there was that
Speaker 1: fire and there was a little girl and the doctor
Speaker 1: was trying to get the.
Speaker 2: That was Stephanie, right, So I actually loved she left.
Speaker 1: I hate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Avery left too.
Speaker 1: That was that was a huge keep losing everyone, I
Speaker 1: know what's wrong. But yeah that episode where like the
Speaker 1: door was locked and she was literally in the room
Speaker 1: with like the like assaulter and then was like with
Speaker 1: this daughter and everything was on fire and I was like,
Speaker 1: y'all can't get these emergency doors unlocked, Like this is unbelievable,
Speaker 1: Like people are just dying because of like this safety
Speaker 1: protocol that's been put in place.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I'm concerned for the writers at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of like the deep darkness that lives in their brains
Speaker 2: that they're coming up with these things and like it's.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, who should we kill off?
Speaker 2: Yeahday yeah, just like a casual day in the writer's room.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're like, oh, like should we kill Meredith?
Speaker 2: Not yet? Maybe Joe yeah yeah, yeah yeah what Well,
Speaker 2: then it won't be Gray's Anatomy without Meredith. So who
Speaker 2: can who just can sacrifice?
Speaker 1: Give like a disease too? And You're like what, Also,
Speaker 1: merediths home has almost died like twenty million And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not That's never happened to someone ever,
Speaker 1: Like you need to make it more reasonable.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say every time we have we've had
Speaker 2: a lot of the Grace cast on the podcast, and
Speaker 2: I always ask, like, you know, Grace is known for
Speaker 2: people dying. If you could choose your death, what would
Speaker 2: it be? That's always one of my questions. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's that shouldn't be normal, but it is. It feels
Speaker 2: very normal for me to ask that. Wow, I'm glad
Speaker 2: we got to chat about that. Thank you, Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for scrubbing in And I can't wait. Are
Speaker 2: you gonna be in l A on the tour?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I am? Is that? August seven?
Speaker 2: Great? You and Taylor swife both in the city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm trying to go to that same week.
Speaker 2: Well, she has like seven shows, so you just gotta
Speaker 2: a day off. Yeah. So great meeting you. You're such
Speaker 2: a joy. I'm so excited for you, and I feel
Speaker 2: like this is just the beginning and I'm so happy
Speaker 2: this worked out.
Speaker 1: Thank you.