1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is verdict for Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: you today. And if you heard the president while he 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: was eating his ice cream, he wants you to know 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: that you're crazy if you think the economy is bad. 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Take a listen. It's strong as hell. I'm eating an 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: ice cream cone. That's your president joining me now. Center, 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: Ted Cruse, Center, when you saw this, I'm sure you 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: had to be shocked, like what world is he living in? Look, 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: I want to say all the history teachers in America, 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: they must have smiled because it's nice to see the 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: President of the United States giving a shout out to 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Marie Antoinette. She does not get enough credit. And when 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: she said let them eat cake, that was widely ridiculed. 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: But but Joe Biden feels that same sentiment towards the 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: American people. He has his ice cream cone. And so 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, if you're having trouble feeding your family, if 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: you can't afford to fill your truck, well that's your problem. 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: It is absurd and it demonstrates just how out of 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: touch this administration is. Let me give you just some 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: basic stats. Since Joe Biden became president, fuel oil is 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: up fifty eight percent. Airline fares are up forty three percent, 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Eggs are up thirty one percent, gas is up eighteen percent, 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: Electricity is up sixteen percent, Milk is up fifteen percent, 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: groceries are up thirteen percent, baby food is up twelve percent, meat, poultry, 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: and fish are up eight percent. And inflation overall is 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: up eight point five percent. And Joe Biden says the 27 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: economy's doing great, just so long as you don't have 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: to buy anything. CBS News. Senator even came out on 29 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: CBS this morning, and I think this tells you that 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: they see what's about to happen in this country. They 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: had a report that said sixty five percent of Americans 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: say the economy is getting worse under Joe Biden. And 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: that is a plurality of Americans are now blaming Democrats. Listen, 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: look a worsening views of the economy, Nate who there's 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: two thirds of people say it is getting worse. And 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: let me show you why. One of the ways people 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: interact with the economy is gas prices. You're paying more. 38 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: You're seeing those big signs up. Back in August, there 39 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: was some optimism. Majority said well, okay, they're going down, 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: but look at this now, sixty three percent say gas 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: prices are going up in their area. So I ask people, okay, well, 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: let's turn to politics there, who do you blame for this? 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: What's the reason? Well, look, there's more folks now who 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: say that Democratic policies have harmed the economy than helped it. 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: It's not the only reason they see for this, but 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: they're reasoning out of results, right, They're filling a pinch. 47 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: Parties in power, okay, must be doing something wrong. And 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: then by contrast, they think, well, Republican policies more likely 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: would help. I love the last part of that center. 50 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: They said the majority of Americans now say Republican policies 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: would in fact help. Now, the Democrats are out there 52 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: and the talking point that they're giving Americans is, if 53 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: you vote for us, we're going to fix the problem 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: with inflation. How is that possible? One of the ones 55 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: that created this economic crisis, and they're the ones are 56 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: in charge of the House and the Senate and the 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: White House. Why would you give them a second chance 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: when they've already destroyed the economy with the first chance. Well, Ben, 59 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: you're exactly right, and I will point out that that 60 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock got asked that exact question on the campaign trail, 61 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: says said, look, Democrats have been in charge of the 62 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: White House, the Senate, the House, all of the levers 63 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: of government. You have it fixed. Inflation. Inflation got much 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: worse on your watch. Why should anyone trust you? And 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: he sat there like a deer in headlight, silent, and 66 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: then finally the only answer he could stammer out is, well, well, 67 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: we're instill in the middle of a COVID pandemic, which 68 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: is complete garbage. And I would point out one person 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: who said the pandemic was over was Joseph Robinette Biden 70 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Junior on a TV interview, so their talking points are shattered. 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: But it is interesting. You know, just today Biden tweeted out, 72 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to read you what he tweet did. He 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: tweeted quote, if Republicans in Congress get their way, prices 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: will go up and inflation will get worse. It's that simple. 75 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: And I got to give them credit for one thing, 76 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: and it's utter hutzpah, which is what he is saying 77 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: is so bizarrely counterfactual. Two years ago, when you did 78 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: have a Republican president in office, we had two dollars gasoline. 79 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: Now in a lot of parts of the country it's 80 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: five to six seven dollars a gallon. Two years ago, 81 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: you could get a home mortgage at two three percent, 82 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: now at six seven percent and heading up. Two years 83 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: ago the price of everything was much much lower. And 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: the cause of it that this is where democrats are 85 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: counting on economic ignorance they hope from the voters and 86 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: active complicity from the media. Where does inflation come from 87 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: it It has one source, and one source only. Milton 88 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: Friedman put this beautifully a long time ago. Inflation comes 89 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: when the federal government spends too much money. When it 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: prints money it doesn't have. When it spends money it 91 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: doesn't have it. And I'll explain it in a really 92 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: intuitive way. Look, all dollars are or a measure of value, 93 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: so that we can know the relative value of one 94 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: good versus another. Think, before we had currency, we had barter. 95 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: And if you if you were growing chickens and I 96 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: was growing wheat, and you decided you wanted some wheat, 97 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: you brought three chickens, and I gave you a bushel 98 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: of wheat. That was less than convenient to carry three 99 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: chickens with you. So yeah, although I will say for 100 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: the record, Ben usually has three chickens on him wherever 101 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: he goes. You got you gotta have that backup cash 102 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: when you need it, my friend. Look, I mean, how 103 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: do you think you made it through Greek life at 104 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: old miss? I mean, three chickens are helpful? Ha ha ha. 105 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you get away with that one. Okay, 106 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: I've got but but just know it will come back 107 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: one day. We're talking idly style, I'm gonna hold back. 108 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: But look, money then arose. All right, if we have 109 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: a standard, let's say a coin, maybe we know that 110 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: it is one coin for a bushel of wheat and 111 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: two coins for a chicken. And the coin is just 112 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: a relative unit of measurement of one good versus another. 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: And so let's get fast forward to today. Suppose the 114 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: price of an apple is a dollar and the price 115 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: of a banana is two dollars. The dollar is giving 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: you the relative value of how much more apples there are, 117 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: how much more people like bananas? If you double the 118 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: number of dollars in the world, If you suddenly print 119 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: twice as many dollars as a simple rough back of 120 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: the nonvolute math Suddenly an apple will be worth two 121 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: dollars and a banana will be worth four dollars because 122 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: they're twice as many dollars. And what the money is 123 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: showing is just the relative value of one good or another. 124 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: Why do we have rampant inflation? Because the Democrats have 125 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: run the printing presses is like crazy, and they've spent 126 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: over twelve trillion dollars and that's produced the inflation. And 127 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: what they're counting on is that some voters who may 128 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: not pay attention, may not know that, and the media 129 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: will lie to them about it. But I think the 130 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: voters are a lot smarter. You know what you just 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: played a moment ago. People have basic common sense. They 132 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: recognize this stuff wasn't happening until the Democrats took over, 133 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: and it really is making life harder for people across 134 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: the country right now. You mentioned the lie a moment ago. 135 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: This was literally at the White House press briefing, and 136 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: this is what they said today when we talk about 137 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: inflation gas prices, that's been something that's the American people 138 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: have seen for the past several months, several weeks, and 139 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: has costs has been coming down. That's a lie. The 140 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: costs have not been coming down. And even Bloomberg today 141 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Sender said the odds of a recession hit one hundred percent. 142 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: In a blow to this idea that are coming down, 143 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: they said today they describe this as a blow to 144 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: the presents economic messaging ahead of the November elections, because 145 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: they said, the US economy is effectively certain to enter 146 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: a recession in the next twelve months according to model 147 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: projections from Bloomberg economists. That is clear we are headed there. 148 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: And yet she sets from the White House podium today, No, no, no, 149 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: prices are actually coming down. Where is my question her? 150 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Where are they coming down? So there are a couple 151 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: of things going on there. Number one, even Bloomberg, which 152 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: is acknowledging that it's one hundred percent we're headed to 153 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: a recession. Even that is pro Biden Democrats spin, why 154 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: because we are in a recession right now? Right now, 155 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: we are already in a recession. Why what is a 156 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: recession defined as? What has it been refined at? Defined 157 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: as for a long long time, two consecutive quarters of 158 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: negative economic growth We've already had that we are in 159 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: that this instant. The Biden White House tried to redefine 160 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: what the word recession means. But even under their redefined terms, 161 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: now nobody can credibly say okay, well, even under their 162 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: redefined terms, which is basically when a bunch of government 163 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: economists sit around in a room and say, yep, this 164 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: is a recession, they've gotten to the point that even 165 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: the people who are on their payroll can't lie about 166 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: it anymore and say anything other than this is a 167 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: recession because of the policies we've seen. Now. Secondly, what 168 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: Karene John Pierre is saying is she's focusing on gas prices, 169 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: and what happened is for the first year plus of 170 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: the Biden administrations, gas prices spiked enormously, grew more than 171 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: one hundred percent, went from two dollars and thirty eight 172 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: cents when Biden came in to four and a half 173 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: and in places like Nevada and California to six and 174 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: seven dollars a gallon. Now, it is true that in 175 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: the summer gas prices dropped a little bit, they had 176 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of a decline, and the Biden White 177 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: House immediately took a big victory laugh and said, see, 178 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: they're not as horribly high as they were. A couple 179 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: of months ago. They're still much much, much higher than 180 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: they were when Biden became president. Now even that little 181 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: dip has turned around, they're going back up again. And listen, 182 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: as we talked on the last podcast, Biden has been 183 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: rendered utterly naked and exposed when the sadis made clear 184 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: that he went and said, will you please give us 185 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: a price break on oil for one month until election day? 186 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: The day after election day, jack the hell out of it. 187 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: We don't care. We're good with ten dollars gasolene. He 188 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: didn't say that part, but that's implied, and it makes 189 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: clear that when the White House Press Secretary is talking, 190 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: she's just spinning and she's not focused on It is 191 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: not a policy objective for this administration to lower the 192 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: price of gasoline going forward. What's a policy objective is 193 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: to have a momentary dip right before election day so 194 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: that they hope voters are full tooled that this is 195 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: something other than exactly what Joe Biden and the Green 196 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: New Deal Democrats want, which is gasoline unaffordable because they 197 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: want you to sell your truck and buy a little Prius, 198 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: and they're going to make your life miserable until you 199 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: do that. You mentioned policies. One of the big policies 200 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: that the President talked about today is a lasted effort, 201 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: I think to buy votes. And there's so many American 202 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: center that I think are still confused on the legality 203 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: of this student loan forgiveness program. They announce this website, 204 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: they announce you can get started on it, and I 205 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: know many conservatives don't understand. One, how does the president 206 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: have the power to do this without Congress being involved? 207 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: And two can the president decide because based on what 208 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: they've been told, they're said they truly believe the president 209 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: can't just forgive this private debt, which is what student 210 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: loan debt is. It's my debt, not the public's debt. 211 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: Yet they've started this website, they're moving forward with this. 212 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: It's going to add to inflation and our deficit. How 213 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: are they able to do this if in fact it 214 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: is illegal? Or does the president have the right to 215 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: decide what debts he wants to pay off in the 216 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: private sector? Yeah, So there are two different questions that 217 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: are both relevant. Number one, is what Biden is doing legal? 218 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: And number two will the judiciary? Will the courts step 219 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: in and stop it? And those are separate questions. The 220 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: first question, I think the answer is clearly no, that 221 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: the actions of the Biden administration are contrary to federal law. Now, 222 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: the way the Biden administration justified this student lint loan 223 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: giveaway is they based it on a statute that Congress 224 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: passed after nine to eleven, twenty plus years ago, that 225 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: gave the Secretary of Education some authority to forgive debts 226 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: for soldiers and sailors and airmen and marines their family. 227 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: So for people that were actually fighting al Qaeda that 228 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: we're going and enlisted and we're fighting to defend this 229 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: nation against terrorism. Congress passed a bill called the Heroes 230 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: Act that gave some authority to forgive their student loan debts. 231 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: What the Biden Department of Justice did in an opinion 232 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: that I've read that the opinion it's from the Office 233 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Illegal Counsel, which is the office and the Department of 234 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: Justice charged with giving authoritative legal determinations from the entire 235 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: executive branch. And it has been headed by some of 236 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: the greatest legal minds in history, including Anton and Scalia, 237 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: including William Rehnquist, including my former boss, Chuck Cooper, including 238 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: Ted Olsen who was George W. Bush's solicitor general. All 239 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: of them have headed OLC. They the Biden OLC concluded 240 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: that under this statute they could interpret essentially the families 241 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: of servicemen and women to mean everybody. And that's the 242 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: really weak legal hook they used to argue that he 243 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: can forgive student loans for everyone making under one hundred 244 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand a year. Now, I believe if 245 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court gets before at the straightforward question, does 246 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: Joe Biden have the statutory authority to forgive what could 247 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: be a trillion dollars or more of debt to the 248 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: United States? And one point on this you said they're 249 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: private debts. Unfortunately, one of the things the Democrats did 250 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: under Obama is they nationalize the student loan industry. So 251 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: they used to be when you and I took student loans. 252 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: And by the way, I had a ton of student loans. 253 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: I repaid my staff. Yeah, I paid it. I was 254 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: I think thirty eight thirty nine years old when I 255 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: paid them off. I paid them for nearly twenty years. 256 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: I had about one hundred thousand dollars in student loans. 257 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: When you and I took them out, you would take 258 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: them from a private bank. Under Obama, the federal government 259 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: essentially federalized it all. So it's it's the US taxpayers, 260 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: it's it's to whom the debt is owed. And so 261 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: essentially what Biden is doing is giving away between somewhere 262 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: between five hundred billion and a trillion dollars in the 263 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: estimates vary. That will drive inflation, it will make a 264 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: cost higher for everyone. I think if the Supreme Court 265 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: gets to the question is it legal, I think they 266 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: will conclude no. I think it would be a six 267 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: three ruling. Clearly, under the terms of the statute, Biden 268 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: can't do it. Now here's the challenge. It is not 269 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: clear any court will determine the merits of the question 270 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: because it is a real challenge to find a plaintiff 271 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: that has standing to bring the lawsuit. And this is 272 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: where it gets a little bit complicated. But the basic 273 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: principle is under the Constitution, our judiciary exists to resolve 274 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: what are called cases and controversies, so actual disputes. It's 275 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: got to be a real fight the judiciary. You can't 276 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: go to the court and just say, hey, answer this 277 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: legal question for me. I'd like to know the answer 278 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: to is what the President did on Tuesday or not. 279 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: Our courts don't do that. It's got to be an 280 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: actual case or controversy. That usually means something like a 281 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: civil suit. Say you and I get in a car wreck, 282 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: I hit your car, you sue me. Okay, that's an 283 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: actual case or controversy. And if I've hit your car, 284 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: you are a plaintiff with a concrete injury. In order 285 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: to have standing, you have to have a concrete and 286 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: particularized injury. There are a bunch of lawsuits that have 287 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: been filed, but the real challenge is are the courts 288 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: going to conclude any of the plaintiffs who brought the 289 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: lawsuit have an injury to them in particular, not an abstract. 290 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: This is illegal and I don't like it, but I 291 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: ben Ferguson have been hurt by that decision. If they 292 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: can get overstanding, I think the courts will strike it down. 293 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: But I also think there's a chance that they don't 294 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: find a plaintiff who has standing, and that's clearly what 295 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: the Biden administration is rolling the dice and gambling off. 296 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: So then here's my next question. I would argue, and 297 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: this is where I love that you're an attorney that 298 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: understands us and a senator that understands the laws. I 299 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: would say, well, I was hurt because I worked my 300 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: tail off to pay my student loans off. When I 301 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: got married, I said to my wife, we're gonna pay 302 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: her student loans off. It hurt our family significantly economically 303 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: because that money that we paid off. I'd love to 304 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: have it back now if my tax dollars in theory, 305 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna pay it off anyway. Is that a damage 306 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: or is that pretty much good luck? But the court 307 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: would not say that's a reason to bring it forward 308 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: to to a court of law to say your damages 309 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: are You're a responsible American, you paid off your student debt. 310 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: So as a general matter, the answer is no, that 311 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: courts would not conclude that's a sufficient injury for standing. 312 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: And for a long time the courts have said there 313 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: is not taxpayer standing, which means you or I, because 314 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: we're taxpayers, we can't go file a lawsuit and say, hey, 315 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: the government is spending money on X, and X is 316 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: illegal because if you could, everyone would have standing to 317 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: challenge just about everything. And so it starts to become 318 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: much more a system where courts are just resolving legal 319 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: questions rather than actual disputes and cases and controversies. So 320 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: the argument that you and I and millions of people 321 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: have that we were responsible and paid off our debts 322 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: and it's not fair what's happening here. As a general matter, 323 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: the courts have not concluded someone has standing to say, hey, 324 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: it's not fair that the government gave that person a 325 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: benefit that they didn't give me, unless there is a 326 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: reason for that distinction that somehow violates the law. So 327 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: there are different groups that potentially have standing. Number one, 328 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: you could find plaintiffs that say, have student loans right 329 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: now and that have earn one hundred and twenty six thousand, 330 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: so they're ineligible, and they perhaps could argue this is 331 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: an illegal benefit to someone similarly situated that advantages them 332 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: over themselves. That's a tough standing argument. I wouldn't say 333 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: it's impossible, but a lot of courts would throw that out. 334 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: That's one possible plane iff. Another possible plane iff would 335 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: be either an individual or a group of students, either 336 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: current students or people who are applying to colleges who 337 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: say the effect of this trillion dollar giveaway is it's 338 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: going to drive up the cost of tuition for everyone. 339 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: The universities are going to say, great, let's charge them 340 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: even more. That is true as an economic matter, it 341 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: is going to drive up the cost of tuition for everyone. 342 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: The question is would a court determine that that was 343 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: specific and concrete enough to give you standing. The best 344 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: theory I've heard for who might have standing to challenge 345 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: this is the loan processor. So their private company that 346 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: are in the business of processing these loans, and with 347 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: a trillion dollars of debts disappearing, those loan processors will 348 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: make significantly less money. That is a concrete injury sufficient 349 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: to give standing. The question now is a political one. 350 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: If your business is being a loan processor and the 351 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: federal government is your principal client, suing the federal government 352 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: is a good way to piss off your principal clients. 353 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: So the question is going to be are there going 354 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: to be loan processors willing to bring those lawsuits? I 355 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: hope so, but that's still very much up in the air. 356 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: So then that brings me in my final question, and 357 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: this is the one where everybody's saying, all right, let's 358 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: say that we can't go down the legal road the 359 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: way you described it, and it's probably not going to work. 360 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: Then the question is, if you become the majority in 361 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: the Senate and we gain control of the House, is 362 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: there a way to stop this or is the damage 363 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: already done. Well, it's a good I certainly think we 364 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: should tee up a vote and get everyone on record 365 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: on this, because I got to say, as a matter 366 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: of fairness, this decision really is reverse Robin Hood. You know, 367 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: Robin Hood famously took from the rich and gave from 368 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: the poor. What Joe Biden the Democrats are doing is 369 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: exactly the opposite. They're taking from the poor and working 370 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: class and giving to the rich. They're taking from truck 371 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: drivers and welders and cops and firefighters and waiters and 372 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: waitresses and blue collar workers, everyone who didn't go to college. 373 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: They're saying, you know what, We're gonna take a trill 374 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: you to your tax dollars, and we're gonna give it 375 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: to a twenty three year old Brown University graduate who 376 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: majored in you know, French poetry, and we're just going 377 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: to give that money to college graduates who are significantly 378 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: richer than you are. Why. Because Biden and the Democrats 379 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: want to buy their votes, and there's a there's a 380 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: real unfairness there. So I hope when we have a majority, 381 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: we tee up a vote and get everyone on record 382 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: on it. Whether Congress is able to reverse it is 383 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: going to be a harder challenge because presumably any legislation 384 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: number one would face a Democrat filibuster in the Senate. 385 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: So even if we take a majority, we're not going 386 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: to have sixty in the Senate, so the Democrats would 387 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: be able to filibuster it, and even if we passed it, 388 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: Biden would be able to veto it. And so we 389 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: can tee it up as a fight next year with majorities, 390 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: but we need to win the White House before we 391 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: have the ability to actually make a meaningful impact on 392 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: this decision. It's frustrating for many Americans because it is 393 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: buying votes, and that's the part that's so frustrating, because 394 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be illegal to do it, and yet 395 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: this present is somehow pulling it off this way and 396 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: trying to get rid of a trillion dollars in debt. Senator, 397 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: I want to get to two other stories that we've 398 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: highlighted here over the last couple of episodes, and for 399 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: people that are listening right now, make sure you go 400 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: back and listen. You may not realize this. We're doing 401 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: three podcasts a week, so make sure you get that 402 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: subscriber download button. Most importantly, please write us a five 403 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: star review wherever you're listening to this podcast as well. 404 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: But these two stories that we talked about. Number one, 405 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: the DEM's not wanting to debate, and this scares me 406 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: for our democracy that we're going to just have democrats 407 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: that realize debating is not going to help them in 408 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: an election. It's only going to hurt them because they 409 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: can't stand up and defend their own stances on the issues. 410 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: But there's an interesting thing that happened in a race 411 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: that you've gotten involved in, where you had a Democrat 412 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: the very last minute who had agreed to debate just 413 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: said screw it, I'm out, I'm not debating. And the 414 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: reason why she didn't want to debate was also another 415 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: issue that we just talked about. Give us more detail 416 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: into this. Democrats running from the debate stage. Well, yeah, 417 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: we had two of the stories. On our last podcast intersect. 418 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: We talked about Democrats refusing to debate. Since we did 419 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: that podcast. Yet another Democrat is backed away from a debate. 420 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: Abigail Spanberger, who is an incumbent Democrat in Virginia, very 421 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: vulnerable democrat. I think she's going to lose in November. 422 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: Her opponent as a candidate named yes Leie Vega. Yeslie 423 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: is someone who I know well. Yesli is a fantastic candidate. 424 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: Let me tell you about yes Lei Vega. Yeslie is 425 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: the daughter of immigrants from El Salvador. Yeslie's brother was 426 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: shot and nearly killed by MS thirteen. So when it 427 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: comes to illegal immigration, she knows firsthand just how horrific 428 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: it is. It is personal to her. Yeslie is married 429 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: to a soldier. The two of them were stationed abroad 430 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: and Korea. She is the mom of two teenage kids, 431 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: and she's a police officer. When her brother was shot, 432 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: she was so upset she went and signed up. She's 433 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: been a cop for over a decade and she is 434 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: a fireball. She is a fighter. So Abigail Spanburger, the 435 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: coming Democrat, didn't want to debate her, but agreed to 436 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: accept it a debate. And then the other story we 437 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: talked about last week, this Virginia delegate who introduced legislation 438 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: in the Virginia legislature to make it a felony if 439 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: a parent refuses to transition your child from one sex 440 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: to another, refuses to give surgery, refuses to accept if 441 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: you're a little boy or a little girl comes in 442 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: and says that they want to be the opposite. If 443 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: a parent says, no, I'm not going to take you 444 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: to a doctor and sterilize you and engage in permanent 445 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: life altering surgeries, the state of Virginia, if this legislation passed, 446 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: would make that a felony and lock the parent up. Well, 447 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: that left wing Democrat happens to be a big surrogate 448 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: for Abigail Spamberger. And suddenly Abigail Spamberger is going, oh, crap, 449 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: if I go to a debate, they're going to ask 450 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: me about this crazy position, and I've either got to 451 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: distance myself from my supporter or defend this lunacy. And 452 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: so what did she do. She's trying to back out 453 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: of the debate. And I got to say, there's a 454 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: reason democrats don't want to debate. They can't defend their 455 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: policies because they're indefensible. The idea that you would lock 456 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 1: parents up for refusing to mutilate your child. It is 457 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: it defies words. And so that's why this Democrat doesn't 458 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: want to justify. When you see them not debating, and 459 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: I do think this is a trend. It early on, 460 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: your initial reaction is, oh, look, they can't even defend themselves. 461 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: This is great. But I think what we're seeing and 462 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: where we're moving forward is I worry about a day 463 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: when a Democratic candidates running for the White House and says, 464 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm not going to debate the Republican and then we 465 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: lose all debates in this country, and debates wing elections. 466 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: When you were running for president, one of the things 467 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: that I think, and when you're running for the Senate, 468 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: the debates were you were you your place to shine, 469 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: and they make people's political careers. And when you up 470 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: against big money and big donors, the debate stage cannot 471 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: hide you. Right. You can have your messaging, you can 472 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: buy a million ads, you can spend one hundred million 473 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: dollars on ads, but the debate stage is what I 474 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: refer to as the grand equalizer. It's a moment where 475 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: you can't hide behind the the you know, the the 476 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: TV screen to the voters. Any longer, and you're exposed 477 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: your weaknesses if you're not a great candidate. And now 478 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: We're at a point in this country where I'm worried 479 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: it's going to be totally normal for Democrats say we 480 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: will never debate a Republican again. Look, I am very 481 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: concerned about that, and you're right. The next step is 482 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: for Democrats to elevate that to the presidential level. Joe 483 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: Biden basically hidden the basement the entire campaign, but he 484 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: did at least show up to the debates. He didn't 485 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: take that final step, And I will say that is 486 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: another factor. Listen, I've done a lot of debates, a 487 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: lot of political debates in my time, and going back 488 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: to the presidential race, in any campaign, but particularly a 489 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: national campaign, a presidential campaign, the corporate media has enormous power. 490 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: On any given day, whatever message the corporate media tries 491 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: to carry, decides to carry, that dominates the airwaves, and 492 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: that typically favors It favors whoever the candidate is with 493 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: the most name ide, whoever the candidate is that conventional 494 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: wisdom is is supposed to win, or whoever the candidate 495 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: is that the corporate media wants to win. For any 496 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: other candidate. It is incredibly difficult to break through that 497 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: giant wall of constant narratives set by the corrupt corporate media. 498 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: Debates are one of the very very few moments where 499 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: you can break through, where you can actually have a 500 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: message heard that the corporate media doesn't want you to hear. 501 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: And it's why this is very different ferential on a 502 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: partisan line. Listen, if you're a Democrat, the media carry 503 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: your water every day, they carry your message. They are 504 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: your propagandists, particularly today, so many Democrats never face difficult questions. 505 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: The only place they might face a difficult question is 506 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: on a debate stage, where at least their opponent can 507 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: ask the question. Ideally a moderator will too, but a 508 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: lot of the moderators are wildly biased. But on a 509 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: debate stage, at least the opponent can turn directly to 510 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: a Democrat candidate and say, you voted for X, you did, 511 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: why your position is hurting people? Give me your answer. 512 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: And so the decision to say we're going to avoid 513 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: debates as Democrats saying we will not answer questions, that's 514 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: a really dangerous shift going forward, because there really is 515 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: nothing like a debate to cut through whatever the established 516 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: corporate media narrative is, which brings me to my last question. 517 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: There's a big debate that you're going to be having 518 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: on Monday. The View took a shot at you today 519 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: saying the only time conservatives will come on our show 520 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: is when they want to sell a book. Yes, you 521 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: have a book out, that's exactly why. By the way, 522 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: the View is having you on their show. But I 523 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: want people to listen to what the View said today 524 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: and then I want to get your reaction to it 525 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: and set your DVR because this coming Monday, Senator Cruze 526 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: is going to be on the View. It will be fireworks. 527 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: I've got my money on you listen to this. And hey, 528 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, we don't turn people away except a fair 529 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: election deniers. Right, Well, no, I think we don't turn 530 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: to election deniers away either, because, as you said, people 531 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: need to hear where people are coming from. And if 532 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: that's what see, this is the problem with it. We 533 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: have to we have to give you. We have to 534 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: give you. He's been enough, I don't know, and he 535 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: has just take him on the problem. Yes, take him on. 536 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: But you see, you haven't been here before. What tends 537 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: to happen when your guys come is they don't come 538 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: to talk to us. Oftentimes they come to sell a book. 539 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: They don't like to come to just talk to us. Also, 540 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: that is what I want to quick thing. No you can't. 541 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: Can you really fast to a really really just go quick? 542 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: There's talking Trump world that Carry Lake is going to 543 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: be his running mate. That's how much the Trump base 544 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: loves her, which is horrifying. But go ahead. I love 545 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: that last part and I left in there because the 546 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: fake Republican on the panel is telling you that Carry 547 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: Lake is horrifying. And then you hear on a Navarro 548 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: they're saying, Oh, I'm going to bring it on. Senator. 549 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: You're not one to shy away from a grand debate. 550 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: That's why you're going on the show. Yet they accuse 551 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: you and others of shying away from the debate when 552 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: you're literally showing up to debate the entire hostile panel. Well, 553 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: I do find it amusing that the that they're common 554 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: is let's take him on. Yes, let's take him on. 555 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: You know, you know that's the fair and impartial journalism 556 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: we have today. They are rich, out of touch leftists, 557 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: and I fully expect that they're just going to scream 558 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: and yell at me for the entire interview. That's fine. 559 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: I assume none of them will have read my book. 560 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: None of them care to read the book, none of 561 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: them care to hear an opposing point of view, and 562 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: their objective is just going to be to attack, and 563 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: I assume to attack in a pretty nasty manner. That 564 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm actually eager to have conversations about actual 565 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: substance and facts because I think the American people deserve that. 566 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: And and we'll see if any of that happens on Monday. 567 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: I hope it will. I can't say I'm filled with 568 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: excessive optimism that that we will have a civil, respectful 569 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: conversation on the merits, but but one can always hope. Look, 570 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: I think these debates are important. Set your DVR. You 571 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: will see the Center Ted Cruise do what he does 572 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: so brilliantly. Center. It's always a pleasure hanging out with you. 573 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: And for everybody listening, reminder, we do this three days 574 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: a week now, so make sure you get that subscriber 575 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: auto download button so that you get every episode of 576 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: Verdict as it comes out, and we will see you 577 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: back here in a couple of days.