Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama.
Speaker 3: Girl Drama, Girl, all about them.
Speaker 4: High school queens.
Speaker 3: We'll take you for a ride.
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Speaker 5: Drama Queens up girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you
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Speaker 2: You guys, I'm back, don't don't I know? You guys
Speaker 2: recorded episodes before we broke for the new year, but
Speaker 2: this is our first recording back. You know from break?
Speaker 2: What'd you guys do?
Speaker 5: Would break? Yeah? Good break? What did you do? Well?
Speaker 2: I did zero. I stayed home with my family, but
Speaker 2: the ghost of Christmas past came to see me on
Speaker 2: the very last day of break and I get this
Speaker 2: text message and it's Venice Leone, our supervisor, Mike Leone
Speaker 2: and his wife, who was an all our eye doctor.
Speaker 2: They had a five year old little girl, season one
Speaker 2: of One Tree Hill, and I connected with this child
Speaker 2: in such a deep way. And I wasn't obsessed with her,
Speaker 2: but I was because she was so free and like
Speaker 2: like she just said whatever she thought. And I thought
Speaker 2: she was such a cool kid. I used to go
Speaker 2: to her dance recitles, and I was obsessed with this child.
Speaker 2: And I remember taking her to see Mama Mia in
Speaker 2: the movie theater and promising her that one day, when
Speaker 2: she grew up and moved to New York City, we
Speaker 2: would be grown up friends. And so she lives in
Speaker 2: New York City now, and I got a text message
Speaker 2: that she was driving through coming back from a ski
Speaker 2: trip and wanted to come by the farm. And this
Speaker 2: child is like all grown up now and she's the
Speaker 2: most beautiful woman. And she just sat with me at
Speaker 2: my kitchen table, and Jeff and my children it was
Speaker 2: like they were watching lightning strikes because it was just two.
Speaker 2: We have the same birthday. We're both July first babies.
Speaker 2: And they were like, whoever for that girl is? You?
Speaker 2: Two were in love and just I was so happy
Speaker 2: to see her, and it was really nice to have
Speaker 2: that memory of One Tree Hill and like, have my
Speaker 2: daughter who's five, and think about, you know, the lifelong
Speaker 2: relationships that we created while we were down there. Oh,
Speaker 2: venis what a treat.
Speaker 3: I loved it so cool.
Speaker 5: I loved it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my New Year's Would you guys do
Speaker 2: did you get crazy light fireworks?
Speaker 5: Oh no, I should let some fireworks. I'm such a
Speaker 5: Fourth of July firework lighter. Not not New Year's For
Speaker 5: some reason, I went to California and just saw my
Speaker 5: sister and brother and family, and all the kids just
Speaker 5: ran around and piled on top of each other, and
Speaker 5: we know, we walked the dog and we opened up
Speaker 5: presents early in the morning and made French toast and
Speaker 5: did the whole like that's what Christmas is for. It's
Speaker 5: for the kids, you know. So it was really really nice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I loved.
Speaker 3: It a great Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just I took my I took my parents up
Speaker 6: to Wine Country and my best friend from London came out.
Speaker 6: And I always do a bit of like an orphan Christmas.
Speaker 6: So yeah, all my friends who don't go see family,
Speaker 6: or who don't have family anymore or whatever it is,
Speaker 6: you know, kind of pile in and.
Speaker 2: So you can mother them. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like it's really really sweet.
Speaker 6: So it was like, you know, Jack, my friend who's
Speaker 6: here from the UK. We went up to the ranch
Speaker 6: first and then Sammy came and like every day there
Speaker 6: were more and more people coming. So by Christmas we
Speaker 6: had this full house and then we sort of have
Speaker 6: this tradition where like once my parents leave after the holiday,
Speaker 6: then extra people come and pile into the room they've
Speaker 6: been staying. And so it's like this sort of revolving
Speaker 6: door of friends and loved ones and family members and
Speaker 6: you know, just like a lot of food and lawn
Speaker 6: games and like play horseshoes and get the archery set
Speaker 6: out and quit, sit by the pond and look at
Speaker 6: the birds.
Speaker 2: She loves an activity.
Speaker 3: I love an activity.
Speaker 2: Just sit here, and she's like, we can't sit here,
Speaker 2: but also throw lawn darts.
Speaker 6: I also like, I really did lean in on a
Speaker 6: lot of the classic holiday movies, which felt fun.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: So it's like, do you want to build a fire
Speaker 6: and watch Home alone or do you want to go,
Speaker 6: you know, out in the backyard and pretend we're in
Speaker 6: the Hunger Games.
Speaker 2: It's really cheatier on the.
Speaker 5: It's a roll.
Speaker 2: You should do LARPing with all your friends. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that would be. Yeah, you have all the
Speaker 2: props for it, like I too, I have those you
Speaker 2: have swords.
Speaker 6: I mean, between the three of us and all the
Speaker 6: random shit in our garages, I'm sure we would be
Speaker 6: excellent at that. I don't know that it's where I
Speaker 6: want to invest my time. But never, we're on a
Speaker 6: journey of discovery, aren't we.
Speaker 2: Here we go listen our New Year's resolution. More LARPing please.
Speaker 2: So I kicked off my new year. I kicked off
Speaker 2: my morning by catching up on all the episodes you
Speaker 2: guys have watched. So it was a very wow. Season
Speaker 2: six is so heavy. I don't know Moore episodes in
Speaker 2: a row of death and trauma.
Speaker 7: I don't know how you guys at home do this.
Speaker 7: It was are you guys okay? Are we were not okay?
Speaker 7: Sometimes it was tough. There were some ref heavy moments.
Speaker 2: It's dark. Well, I feel like we're on like there's
Speaker 2: a path that this episode is on. It feels like
Speaker 2: things are lightening up, or maybe people are just like
Speaker 2: becoming okay. But this was episode six, Choosing My Own
Speaker 2: Way of Life. Air date October thirteenth, two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: Somebody give us the synopsis.
Speaker 6: Well, Lucas begins his book tour and is joined by
Speaker 6: a familiar face. Nathan is given an opportunity to play
Speaker 6: basketball again in a new way, which forces him to
Speaker 6: question his health and Haley tries to help a student
Speaker 6: in need. Brooke considers a life changing proposition, while Peyton
Speaker 6: and Mick have a confident over his identity. This episode
Speaker 6: was directed by the lovely Clark Mathis, and I agree
Speaker 6: it does feel like we're getting out of the darkness
Speaker 6: a bit.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: This whole episode felt like people reaching for where they belong.
Speaker 5: In people finding where they belong. Everybody sort of had
Speaker 5: the had their arms out or they were coming back home,
Speaker 5: which is nice after so much struggle and wandering over
Speaker 5: the last few episodes.
Speaker 2: What do we start with? So Lucas is going to
Speaker 2: go on book tour? Yeah, honestly, it all runs together
Speaker 2: for me at this point. So I have to consult
Speaker 2: my note. I know, you poor thing. I don't know
Speaker 2: what did Lucas say Lindsey. I was upset about that, Like, Lucas,
Speaker 2: you've a nerd. Okay, tell that girl what's going on.
Speaker 2: I heard a business meeting.
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, give her a heads up before
Speaker 6: she has to look you, look you in the eye.
Speaker 2: Jesus so sweaty about it.
Speaker 5: Also, I loved, by the way, even though it was
Speaker 5: the last episode, the fact that she said I really
Speaker 5: wish you would have done this on the phone. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: dun at what part of you thought that she wanted
Speaker 5: to be in the room with you and experience that
Speaker 5: those all those emotions with you, you jackass.
Speaker 6: But you know what I will say is that's one
Speaker 6: of those like you just kind of can't wins because
Speaker 6: I get why he should be I should be an
Speaker 6: adult and I should go have a conversation with her
Speaker 6: about this, right, and you know, not chicken out and
Speaker 6: do it over the phone. And then she's like, you
Speaker 6: should have done it over the phone, and it's like, no,
Speaker 6: no matter what, it was gonna be bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's true, that's fair.
Speaker 6: But you know what I love about that whole storyline
Speaker 6: is that at the top of this episode, my first
Speaker 6: note is I love the way you admit as Peyton
Speaker 6: that you are jealous of Lindsay, Like you sit there
Speaker 6: and you have like this little moment and you're kind
Speaker 6: of embarrassed, but you're also just gonna say it and
Speaker 6: you're like, yeah, I'm jealous, what do you want from me?
Speaker 3: And I just loved it. I loved the way you
Speaker 3: played it and it just.
Speaker 6: Felt so familiar between you too, And I think you
Speaker 6: really see the six years that we've spent watching these
Speaker 6: characters find their way back to each other. Like, I
Speaker 6: don't know, it just it felt so sunken in in
Speaker 6: your relationship in a way that was fragile and funny,
Speaker 6: and I really liked it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's weird to have to go on an
Speaker 2: intimate business trip with the person that you were just
Speaker 2: like the whole of that is so uncomfortable in my mind.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, like, is that how book tours
Speaker 2: really work? Like is there a world in which his
Speaker 2: editor would go on that trip with him and not
Speaker 2: just like you.
Speaker 7: Know, a PR person, his book agent, yeah, or somebody else.
Speaker 2: I don't know that your editor goes on those trips,
Speaker 2: but I love for the purpose of storytelling that we
Speaker 2: had to live in that world, and that Peyton, you know,
Speaker 2: was okay with it, Like, what's the worst he's gonna do?
Speaker 2: Sleep with Lindsay. He's already done that. What's I gonna do?
Speaker 2: Love her and want to marry her? Already done it.
Speaker 2: But it's a great excuse to bring Mouth back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the best.
Speaker 6: That was fun, It really is And mouth storyline I
Speaker 6: had this was one of those things. Obviously none of
Speaker 6: us were there for those scenes. I'd forgotten about it,
Speaker 6: and it just every single thing that Lee did in
Speaker 6: this episode made me laugh so hard, even the way
Speaker 6: he shows up to the signing and goes, oh, oh's comedy.
Speaker 2: You know, you just got a mouthful.
Speaker 6: Every everything he did made me do a spit take laughing.
Speaker 5: It was that kid that took a picture with him
Speaker 5: was hilarious too. It was so funny. Yeah, mouth just
Speaker 5: has it. He hasn't like had anything front center for
Speaker 5: a while, you know, because he's had seasons where he
Speaker 5: really was just rolling with a comedy and it's been
Speaker 5: a minute. It's so great, like refreshing. I forgot that.
Speaker 5: I missed it so much.
Speaker 2: In the week of Quentin's death. I loved Lucas being
Speaker 2: okay with this book not doing well, you know, like
Speaker 2: for Lucas who had this whole fight with Peyton, like
Speaker 2: you couldn't be with me because ma, you didn't think
Speaker 2: I could do it. Remember all that emphasis he was
Speaker 2: placing on the success of his book and how rapped
Speaker 2: up his identity. Wasn't all of that. No one gives
Speaker 2: a shit about the comment. He's like, Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: you know what, not a problem. I'm just gonna go
Speaker 2: home to my girlfriend. Yeah.
Speaker 6: What I like about it too, though, is that he
Speaker 6: says it's the best thing I've ever written because it brought.
Speaker 3: Us back together. Oh yeah, because.
Speaker 6: Truly, sometimes the quote unquote failure is the exact lesson
Speaker 6: you needed. It's the journey you needed, it's the experience
Speaker 6: you needed. You know, the things that don't work in
Speaker 6: the way we thought they might teach us sometimes even
Speaker 6: more than the things that work out exactly as planned.
Speaker 6: And I think there's real profundity in being able to
Speaker 6: say the point of this wasn't that the book was
Speaker 6: a success. The point of this was that I found
Speaker 6: my way back to the right person. I'm good and
Speaker 6: to be ready to move on.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We need that, We need that lesson.
Speaker 6: And I do think, especially if you know, you think
Speaker 6: back to when the episode aired, you know, it was
Speaker 6: two thousand and eight, I think it's important to see
Speaker 6: a man.
Speaker 3: Own that like he's a he's having an.
Speaker 6: Intimate realization, he's having an emotional experience in his life.
Speaker 6: And you know, so often I think we as women
Speaker 6: get looked at as you know, the leaders on emotional
Speaker 6: lessons and empathy and all the things. You know, we
Speaker 6: look to the Glennons and the Brene Browns and you know,
Speaker 6: the doctor Tamer and the list goes on and on.
Speaker 6: But like I like a man being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: my book failed, but it I got love.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like failure on these Tree Hill kids,
Speaker 2: because so much of it is like we're the best
Speaker 2: of eating. I love a failure.
Speaker 5: It's such real life to fail. I was thinking that
Speaker 5: too watching all the Slamball stuff, thinking about how lovely
Speaker 5: it is to have the time with a character, to
Speaker 5: go through the arc of someone who has made pretty
Speaker 5: dramatic mistakes in life, to the point where he lost
Speaker 5: a career he'd been building up his entire life, lost
Speaker 5: it in one bad choice and then another bad choice,
Speaker 5: and then lost his health for a long time and
Speaker 5: even further lost his ability to even play if there
Speaker 5: was ever a possibility, And then to be offered it's
Speaker 5: just the way that life is. Like then something else,
Speaker 5: another offer comes in. It's not what he expected, Like
Speaker 5: you're saying, so if it's not the way he thought
Speaker 5: things were going to turn out, but here's another opportunity.
Speaker 5: Watching Haley encourage him to move into this new space.
Speaker 5: I like seeing us struggle and find Plan b's and
Speaker 5: Plan C and Plan D and planny. I think it's
Speaker 5: beautiful and it's real life, just as one of those
Speaker 5: things reminding me like, oh, there's the magic of our
Speaker 5: show again. That's what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the magic in real life too. Perspective
Speaker 2: is everything because Nathan could have You're right, Joy, This
Speaker 2: is such an important parallel to what Lucas is doing
Speaker 2: because he could have been so pissed that no one
Speaker 2: would let him try out, and that could have been
Speaker 2: the focus all the negative stuff. But there's all these
Speaker 2: other little doors opening up and that if you're awake
Speaker 2: to it, if you are open to it, they're always opening,
Speaker 2: you know. And the weirder they are, the better. And Slamball.
Speaker 2: How much money did they pay our show to be
Speaker 2: the commercial for Slamball?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. They built a whole gym, the whole
Speaker 5: slam ball. What's wrong with me? It's not a gym,
Speaker 5: it's a what is it stadium? It's about house about Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's literally about's house. They built it on our stages.
Speaker 5: They never built a real basketball court. We did real basketball.
Speaker 2: For years and they refused to build a court when
Speaker 2: they're like slam ball. Hold, hold, let's do this.
Speaker 6: I had such a visceral memory watching them out there,
Speaker 6: you know, James and Joe and Jackson and going, oh
Speaker 6: my god. I remember the day Brendan kersh our basketball
Speaker 6: coordinator revealed the slam ball court on a stage and
Speaker 6: we all were like, wait, we have a court now,
Speaker 6: Like what's what and and like once they did the
Speaker 6: walk around and they had to set up, like we
Speaker 6: all just played. And I remember being on those trampolines
Speaker 6: with Jackson and and like you know, friends at home obviously,
Speaker 6: you know, like none of us is tall none, We're
Speaker 6: not Joe manganell or James Lafferty, like we've never dunked,
Speaker 6: but like on a trampoline, I was like, Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, is this what you guys feel like when you
Speaker 2: dunk a basketball?
Speaker 5: He's sick.
Speaker 6: Like it was so fun to get out there and play,
Speaker 6: and it it added like a whole element of silliness
Speaker 6: to the middle of season six, like.
Speaker 5: We wanted to stay at work.
Speaker 6: It was like going to recess. You'd be like, we
Speaker 6: have twenty minutes, can we go play on the slam
Speaker 6: ball court, like it was just so fun, and so
Speaker 6: it was. There was something sweet about watching what you're saying. Joy,
Speaker 6: This this newness that comes in an unexpected way, like
Speaker 6: this idea that yes, you can have what you want,
Speaker 6: but it might not look like what you thought it
Speaker 6: was going to look like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's so it's so sweet.
Speaker 6: And then underneath I realized I was also having that
Speaker 6: like a sweet memory of pure play. And how often
Speaker 6: do you get that.
Speaker 3: As an adult?
Speaker 6: You don't really, And it really made me nostalgic for that.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently we do at your house with an archery and.
Speaker 6: Once a camp counselor always a camp counser. I want
Speaker 6: everybody to play.
Speaker 2: You are getting a trampoline next, aren't you all those
Speaker 2: people that have trampolines in their front yard.
Speaker 5: No, I will not dig the hole.
Speaker 6: Too many people, too many people break their arms to
Speaker 6: they stress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, it's not for me. I'm good.
Speaker 5: Do you get caught in the springs anymore? Did they
Speaker 5: fix that? I think that was when we were kids.
Speaker 5: I think they fixed it now.
Speaker 2: I don't like bouncing.
Speaker 5: It is a feeling like bouncing.
Speaker 2: I hate bouncing.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 2: My body wasn't made for it got long, brittle bones.
Speaker 5: So you just said something that actually is another theme
Speaker 5: of this episode, which is people getting what they want,
Speaker 5: but it may not look like what they thought it would.
Speaker 5: I think that's the phrase you used. But that's happening
Speaker 5: with Peyton, that's happening with Lucas, it happens with Nathan,
Speaker 5: it's happening with.
Speaker 2: Sam.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was at Brook and Sam and Brook and
Speaker 5: Millie too. Even just like recapturing your childhood and all
Speaker 5: the things that you wanted and dreamed of. It's kind
Speaker 5: of happening with Dan and dev in a weird way too,
Speaker 5: individually and together, like the piece that they're discovering, and
Speaker 5: Dan's finding a way to maybe become a better person
Speaker 5: actually maybe for the first time ever, but it definitely
Speaker 5: doesn't come with anyone else's support. It's just so interesting.
Speaker 6: I think there's something really beautiful about that theme for everyone,
Speaker 6: and particularly with this sort of culmination of the experience
Speaker 6: with Peyton and Mick, because even in that first scene
Speaker 6: where I love the humor of the way you admit
Speaker 6: that you're jealous of Lindsay, but you follow it with
Speaker 6: some real honesty about how this Mick thing is really
Speaker 6: getting under your skin. It's making you crazy, and of
Speaker 6: course it is. You know, you know, but you don't know.
Speaker 3: You can't understand his motivation.
Speaker 6: And what I love is that your version of this
Speaker 6: theme is getting the answer you needed. But what it
Speaker 6: really does is it just leads you back to your dad.
Speaker 6: Like that phone call with you and Larry at the
Speaker 6: end is so sweet, and your birth dad doesn't look
Speaker 6: like what you thought it was going to look like.
Speaker 6: It's not necessarily this sort of fairy tale moment, but
Speaker 6: it does answer a lot of questions for you. It
Speaker 6: tells you a lot about who you are, the connection
Speaker 6: to music and the extra information, and you get to
Speaker 6: find out about Ellie.
Speaker 3: It's all so special.
Speaker 6: It's not a fairy tale, but it is magical. I think,
Speaker 6: do you remember.
Speaker 2: I remember every second of that story, cause you, guys know,
Speaker 2: John Doe is just the guy for me. I loved
Speaker 2: John Doe. And so today when I sat and I
Speaker 2: watched all these episodes catching up like it was heavy,
Speaker 2: but it was also the entirety of the Micwolf arc
Speaker 2: all in one sitting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and guys, I loved him.
Speaker 2: I loved him. This was such a year. Season six
Speaker 2: sucked because I'd like, the one life raft I'd had
Speaker 2: during the filming of the show was that I was
Speaker 2: dating the producer's son, and in season six I wasn't anymore.
Speaker 2: So now not only am I like in situations that
Speaker 2: I'm pissed about or I'm uncomfortable with, but now I
Speaker 2: don't even have like a place to go invent that.
Speaker 2: I'm just entirely on my own in six and so
Speaker 2: this this man shows up to play like a mentor
Speaker 2: to me, and in real life he was just the
Speaker 2: most magical creature. And so it's it's weird to watch
Speaker 2: because I can see how giddy Peyton is, and that's
Speaker 2: like me being genuinely giddy over this man who was
Speaker 2: the biggest gentleman, you know, just like made me feel
Speaker 2: like he really liked me, without any motive, without any
Speaker 2: like weirdness. He made me feel like I was a
Speaker 2: cool person, joy around, enjoyed your company. I just can
Speaker 2: never talk about him enough. Loved him. And with all
Speaker 2: of this mixed stuff, it feels like Peyton she knows
Speaker 2: there's a present under the tree, she knows that she
Speaker 2: can unwrap it, but she knows that there's a nugget
Speaker 2: of something that's just hers there, and the weight is
Speaker 2: kind of excruciating. And then the unveiling of the present,
Speaker 2: you know, that sobriety trip that she finds and you
Speaker 2: think it's mix right, and we find out that it's not.
Speaker 2: Everything looked so different, and then it becomes such a
Speaker 2: meaningful gift to her that it was her mother's sobriety
Speaker 2: that he is gifting back to her. I just loved
Speaker 2: every inch of that storyline me too.
Speaker 5: You broke my heart too. Your performance was really really beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was so authentic and dropped in it was great.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks again. It was like another person. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to leave.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I only.
Speaker 2: Wish that somehow Peyton had like brought up Hey, you
Speaker 2: know that you have another son too, right, Like, there's
Speaker 2: this Derek fella that saved my life once. You should
Speaker 2: talk to him too, dude. That conversation didn't happen out
Speaker 2: bump out whatever. John Doe used to stay after work
Speaker 2: with all of the crew members and I because we
Speaker 2: had a band and he would play with us and
Speaker 2: we would all geek out so hard because he's such
Speaker 2: a big deal. Musician. Yeah, and we were all like, cool,
Speaker 2: do you want to you don't play house with the
Speaker 2: Rising Sun? John Doe a bunch of nerds.
Speaker 3: That's so sweet whatever.
Speaker 2: I was texting with him today, He's still my sweetie.
Speaker 5: Oh such a stud.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was great, but that said, now we've got
Speaker 2: Dan a bunch of shy dads in this episode.
Speaker 6: The thing I think I liked most it is really
Speaker 6: interesting watching Dan try to redeem himself because obviously we
Speaker 6: can all understand that, Look, you're you're so much more
Speaker 6: than some of your mistakes, and there's more to you
Speaker 6: than the worst thing you've ever done. But the worst
Speaker 6: thing Dan's ever done, like, how do you forgive it?
Speaker 6: And I thought that scene between Paul and James in
Speaker 6: the hallway when Nathan walks in and asks him if
Speaker 6: you know he's reminiscing.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 6: You get to hold that for Nathan and Lucas, who
Speaker 6: Dan is is unforgivable, and for Jamie, Dan is a
Speaker 6: hero and what do you do with that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: Nathan says, I don't know where that leaves us, but
Speaker 6: it's so true. It's like, you know, you can be
Speaker 6: the hero to so many people, and the villain to
Speaker 6: someone else. You how do you hold space for all
Speaker 6: of these realities? And this one is so extreme obviously
Speaker 6: because hello, it's one treell it's a team drama. Like
Speaker 6: it's not like, well, you hurt this person and this
Speaker 6: other person you rescue. It's like, no, you literally saved
Speaker 6: one person's life.
Speaker 2: And murdered another. He literally just literally a person like Jesus.
Speaker 6: But you know, it's it's a really big question to
Speaker 6: hang in the air. You know, what do you what
Speaker 6: do you do with this when it's so extreme, when
Speaker 6: it's so evil, and also you're so thankful for this person,
Speaker 6: like wow, Dan, Jamie and Haley and death might all
Speaker 6: be dead, Like you know, it's so complicated. And I
Speaker 6: like that they just let it sit there, and I
Speaker 6: like that it was dark in the hallway. It all
Speaker 6: felt a little surreal and magical and sad.
Speaker 5: The first time Dan actually seems remorseful in a way
Speaker 5: that is not selfish to me, for the first time ever,
Speaker 5: I've seen him appear remorseful, not because I feel bad
Speaker 5: because I can't have my way. It was like this
Speaker 5: is bad, This whole thing is bad, and I've done
Speaker 5: something bad to you, Like he was seeing for the
Speaker 5: first time how his actions have affected other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's also still doing weird shit like send
Speaker 2: and deb all those roses and like there's still yeah
Speaker 2: Dan Scott in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like nobody changes overnight. I mean, it's like,
Speaker 5: if it takes you one bad decision after another slowly
Speaker 5: to get you into a place where you turn into
Speaker 5: a monster, is it one right decision after another to
Speaker 5: walk you out of it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know either.
Speaker 6: It was interesting to me though he is in this
Speaker 6: different space he does. And look, I think a near
Speaker 6: death experience. I think nearly losing someone or losing someone
Speaker 6: you love can shift your whole world. I've certainly experienced both.
Speaker 3: And it is.
Speaker 6: It's seismic, it's like an earthquake, like nothing is the same.
Speaker 6: But it is interesting that he is having this experience
Speaker 6: and everyone around him is like, no, we've set our
Speaker 6: boundaries with you. And he sends Deb these flowers and
Speaker 6: there's something sort of poetic for her that she is
Speaker 6: too little, too late getting what she needed and deserved
Speaker 6: from Dan and is like, no, absolutely not. And in
Speaker 6: the moment where she yeah, she holds up her boundary
Speaker 6: the present situation that you know, doesn't look like she
Speaker 6: thought it was going to look like. I'm sure she
Speaker 6: didn't think one of Nathan's friends was going to become
Speaker 6: her boyfriend. And here's sweet man, Oh my god, obsessed,
Speaker 6: here is this sweet man. The minute she literally throws
Speaker 6: Dan in the trash, here's a guy at her door
Speaker 6: with flowers for no reason other than he thinks she
Speaker 6: deserves them. And it's like, what a what an energetic
Speaker 6: shift for her?
Speaker 2: You know? Yes, I just love the skills. Keeps asking like,
Speaker 2: why is no one taking this seriously? I know? And
Speaker 2: I hate it for him because he says, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what episode it's in, But he says, at
Speaker 2: some point, my last serious relationship with was Bevin, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are they doing to He's a good looking,
Speaker 2: successful man. What do you mean in our little time jump,
Speaker 2: he didn't have like a couple hot serious relationships. I
Speaker 2: hate that they have this huge gap and blondes for Antlom,
Speaker 2: but I can if he is so inexperienced in dating.
Speaker 2: I love that they have it so serious for him
Speaker 2: that they you know, to him, this is going somewhere.
Speaker 2: Potentially he is comfortable yeah, I mean I like it
Speaker 2: for Deb too, she's younger than us.
Speaker 6: The comedy of her watching them play basketball.
Speaker 3: You're doing great, honey, and.
Speaker 2: I yelped so good.
Speaker 3: That was so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think if I would
Speaker 2: be mad if my parent was dating my friend.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, it would be really strange. I
Speaker 5: don't think i'd be mad. It would just be really weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I would like But what if
Speaker 2: it was actually more fun?
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like think hmm, think hangouts just like I was gonna
Speaker 2: invite you anyway here you are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the thing is with your friend, like you
Speaker 5: talk about stuff and like I don't want to know
Speaker 5: stuff about my parents.
Speaker 2: Everybody in tree Hill already knows deb stuff. Man, she
Speaker 2: has spent decades just sharing stuff. If anything Antoine skills
Speaker 2: is gonna help her lock it back down, like maybe
Speaker 2: just bring it down. And she's not on the apps anymore,
Speaker 2: is she? No?
Speaker 5: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: See things are looking up now. She's not bringing clowns
Speaker 2: over the house. Yeah, you know, she is such good
Speaker 2: comedic relief in this because even when they see Dan
Speaker 2: at the riverwalk. You know, she just what she's really
Speaker 2: getting good at is being apathetic and just diffusing the
Speaker 2: situation instead of letting it affect anyone anymore. She's not
Speaker 2: letting it affect Skills, she's not letting it affect Jamie,
Speaker 2: she's not letting it affect Nathan. It's just, hey, this
Speaker 2: is not even an issue.
Speaker 5: We're good, excellent modeling of lovingly detached.
Speaker 2: M hands off, except that hand on the butt walking away.
Speaker 6: What you know what was so weird about that is
Speaker 6: as they were walking away and Dan was talking about
Speaker 6: how it hurt, I was like, they wouldn't go so
Speaker 6: far as to have Skills grab her butt in front
Speaker 6: of Dan, right And as I'm thinking this, it cuts
Speaker 6: back and he's got a and I went, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: we really want did that?
Speaker 3: We really went for it.
Speaker 5: Paul's reactions were great too, They were just so subtle
Speaker 5: and yeah, haircut in.
Speaker 2: Really did.
Speaker 6: I loved this haircut on him. I have to say,
Speaker 6: I think one of the things I enjoyed watching him
Speaker 6: do the most in this episode was beat He was
Speaker 6: like a jolly scrooge And maybe I'm maybe that's the
Speaker 6: metaphor I'm coming up with because it was just the
Speaker 6: holidays but him sort of stomping out the childhood magic,
Speaker 6: but also like just undoing ridiculous lies like no, you
Speaker 6: don't get a wish for every Brussels sprout.
Speaker 3: You eat, like.
Speaker 2: Because it wasn't like telling.
Speaker 6: A kid Santa's not real. It wasn't like some horrible thing.
Speaker 6: It was just it was so funny to me. It
Speaker 6: was it felt like he was just like stepping on
Speaker 6: glitter a little bit. And I liked it, growing upsly thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well it came right out of that scene
Speaker 2: where Peyton finds Mick drunk on the coffee tip on
Speaker 2: the pool table. Yeah, and I loved that. It was
Speaker 2: like Mick is clearly lying to her and being like
Speaker 2: a huge asshole, and it cuts right to Dan being
Speaker 2: like grown up sly kid. Yeah you are, yeah, you
Speaker 2: know I like that heredity.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that both Peyton and Mick were really mean
Speaker 2: to each other in that scene. She comes in so
Speaker 2: judgy with such a bad temper and he meets her
Speaker 2: with such a bad temper, and it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you two are related. This is genetic.
Speaker 5: It's fun. It was fun watching them together.
Speaker 2: But then what else is genetic. We've got Victoria and Brooks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. How did you feel about this about like
Speaker 5: is this when you first started skydiving, Sophia, when Brooks
Speaker 5: started talking about wanting to do this, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: So funny because there were so many things on that
Speaker 6: list that are like things from my list, And I
Speaker 6: was like, oh wow, I forget that our lives and
Speaker 6: our dreams and all of our conversations were mined for
Speaker 6: content for our show. But the thing I love is
Speaker 6: that Brooke is her number one go to is like, Okay,
Speaker 6: well what are we going to do for work? What
Speaker 6: are we going to do about this empty store? Oh
Speaker 6: you have ideas? Okay, pitch him to me. She's always
Speaker 6: ready to work, to show up for the job. And
Speaker 6: it gave me this really weird feeling where I was like,
Speaker 6: oh man, I am, I am like that? Like I
Speaker 6: think we all we were raised to be like that.
Speaker 3: You know, we did.
Speaker 6: We were so lucky obviously to do this job for
Speaker 6: as long as we did. But when your first job
Speaker 6: lasts for this long, you also get cultured to do
Speaker 6: the job in the exact way it happens on that set.
Speaker 6: And so there were a lot of things we didn't
Speaker 6: know we're bad or inappropriate until we got older. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and there's something I've had to really sort of examine
Speaker 6: in this season about what it is to be a performer.
Speaker 6: You can be a you know, a theater performer, a
Speaker 6: visual performer, performance athlete, like whatever the thing is where
Speaker 6: you have to show up and put your body and
Speaker 6: your brain on the line. It can really culture you
Speaker 6: out of knowing what you need or feeling your feelings
Speaker 6: because you're like, I'm part of this team and here
Speaker 6: I go and for my crew, and it was. It
Speaker 6: gave me this weird, like deep in my bones feeling
Speaker 6: of recognition to watch the scene, and it gave me
Speaker 6: really nostalgic sweetness for all of what we've been able
Speaker 6: to do as groups of friends, what we did for
Speaker 6: each other then, what we've done for each other since
Speaker 6: we started this podcast, Like these sort of circles of healing,
Speaker 6: and Millie really represents that. She's like, well, yeah, before
Speaker 6: you can fix the work stuff, it's about your heart,
Speaker 6: Like you have to heal your soul before you can
Speaker 6: hear your company. And I was like, wow, I didn't
Speaker 6: I didn't realize that that sort of cycle was always
Speaker 6: going to remain true through life. But like, that's what
Speaker 6: we all decided to do together in twenty twenty. And
Speaker 6: I love that in Brooke Davis's world, when her mother
Speaker 6: was the person who always said no, no, you can't
Speaker 6: dream that, No, you can't do that.
Speaker 3: No, that's not.
Speaker 6: Practical, because we've all had our own versions of those
Speaker 6: in our real life, Millie, like you both have at times.
Speaker 6: For me, like some of my other best friends have
Speaker 6: at times, for me, was the one who was like,
Speaker 6: don't let anybody tell you no. And by the way,
Speaker 6: while she's being rude and telling you no, I'm just
Speaker 6: going to keep this list for you and remind you
Speaker 6: of all the things you've said you wanted to do
Speaker 6: when it's time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, wow, we do that.
Speaker 2: The listening is so important. The fact that you had
Speaker 2: no idea that she was listening.
Speaker 5: No, Oh, that reaction you gave her when you realized
Speaker 5: that she had been listening the whole time, Yeah, little tear,
Speaker 5: It was so good.
Speaker 6: And she's the one, you know, she's the one who
Speaker 6: says welcome to someday.
Speaker 3: Yes, Like that's where it comes from. And it just
Speaker 3: I don't know it really it felt.
Speaker 6: So special for the arc of this character that I
Speaker 6: have loved for so long and that I loved to
Speaker 6: play for so long, and it felt felt really true
Speaker 6: across these decades for all of us as women, then
Speaker 6: for all of us as women now. I was like, shit,
Speaker 6: this is one of those moments where I go, I
Speaker 6: get why people say there's magic in this show, because
Speaker 6: that like, I see myself in this person, and I
Speaker 6: know how many people have watched this show and seen
Speaker 6: themselves in that scene as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, you want to be both people in that scene.
Speaker 5: You want to be the friend that's able to show
Speaker 5: up and have listened all those years and show up
Speaker 5: with the magical moment, and you want to be the
Speaker 5: recipient of it as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then Haley shows up and she's actually the person
Speaker 2: that could facilitate one of those lifelong goals. This whole
Speaker 2: this whole coercion with Sam where it's like Sam, you're
Speaker 2: in a car baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like the scenes between Haley and Sam.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: I mean, Haley put herself out there with Quinton and
Speaker 2: investing in a child that's not your own is a gamble,
Speaker 2: and to see her do it again, so openly is
Speaker 2: nice because it would be really easy for her to
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, you know what, I'm going to create
Speaker 2: a boundary. Yeah, I'm not going to get into my
Speaker 2: student's personal lives. That hurts.
Speaker 7: That hurt.
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 6: Well, And you know what, I liked about that too. Sometimes,
Speaker 6: and I know we've talked about this sometimes when we
Speaker 6: have to do exposition on the show, when there's been
Speaker 6: a time jump or whatever, the lines feel clunky. I
Speaker 6: actually wrote a note about how I loved the way
Speaker 6: they talked about the time jump on that Walk and
Speaker 6: talk with Haley and Nathan. When you and James are
Speaker 6: walking through the quad, it.
Speaker 5: Feels shop class and we yeah, it's like.
Speaker 6: It's an easy The energy of it is easy and
Speaker 6: almost like you know, it's a throwaway. We're not like
Speaker 6: hitting the nail over the head too hard, but we
Speaker 6: make it clear that you've had a moment. You're dressed.
Speaker 6: I literally wrote like, oh my god, Joy looks so
Speaker 6: grown up. Yeah, like, you know, you've put on this
Speaker 6: nice outfit. You're coming back to school, it's been two weeks,
Speaker 6: and Nathan's there with you and he's walking you in
Speaker 6: so you don't have to go in alone, and then
Speaker 6: there's this nostalgia for high school, like you didn't know
Speaker 6: you could cut through shop class and he tells you
Speaker 6: you're a nerd, and I love that. It just feels hopeful,
Speaker 6: it's sweet and like, yeah, it's cute, it's romantic. It
Speaker 6: reminds us of you guys in high school. And then
Speaker 6: the jolt of Sam being in the car.
Speaker 3: You just don't see it coming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it.
Speaker 6: All felt like authentic and real. It was such a
Speaker 6: real way to find this. Yeah, it wasn't overly dramatized.
Speaker 6: It didn't feel soapy. It felt really present, and yeah,
Speaker 6: maybe it is to your point, Hillary, it's like she's
Speaker 6: had just enough time to not react out of fear,
Speaker 6: but instead to go like, oh, this is my chance
Speaker 6: to dive back into what I'm good at. I am
Speaker 6: going to keep showing up. I am I am going
Speaker 6: to reclaim all the good things that I know how
Speaker 6: to do instead of be afraid or stay away any longer.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think everybody has something or things inside of
Speaker 5: them that really lights them up. And everybody can't do
Speaker 5: everything for everyone in the world. You know, we all
Speaker 5: have like these pockets of areas where we have passion
Speaker 5: for something that we're really and we have the capability.
Speaker 5: It's like, somehow we have the capability to fulfill the
Speaker 5: needs for whatever. The space is where the passion is right.
Speaker 5: And I think that's true about Haley here, about caring
Speaker 5: for the students and where some other people might have
Speaker 5: needed to just set up a boundary, like you're saying,
Speaker 5: hill and go. I'm not going to get involved in
Speaker 5: the lives of my students anymore. It's just too much.
Speaker 5: I can't bring it home. But this is her, this
Speaker 5: is her zone. It's like what she was born to
Speaker 5: do is help help these kids. She's always had a past,
Speaker 5: she's a tutoring at high school. She was always looking
Speaker 5: out for people. She's from this family of kids that
Speaker 5: are all looking out for each other, and it's just
Speaker 5: her zone. So and I often think too specifically in
Speaker 5: the areas in our life where we are where we
Speaker 5: excel and are really gifted the most. I don't know
Speaker 5: if attack is the right word, but the most opposition
Speaker 5: we meet, the most resistance, and often we'll get pushed
Speaker 5: down so far where we have to question, like do
Speaker 5: I really want to keep going and keep doing this?
Speaker 5: And I like seeing that Haley is still just getting
Speaker 5: back up and going and like she's not going to
Speaker 5: take no for an answer. This is who she is,
Speaker 5: This is what she needs, what she wants to give,
Speaker 5: how she's able to serve, and she's doing it. And
Speaker 5: I'm happy that.
Speaker 2: She's a producer. I mean, the thing about producing that
Speaker 2: we all know is that it's really just about matching things.
Speaker 2: It's just a matching game. It's like this matches with this,
Speaker 2: and this skill set matches with this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: And Haley does that as an artist. We saw her
Speaker 2: do it with Chris Keller. It was like, you're terrible,
Speaker 2: but our voices match. And she's able to do that
Speaker 2: with Mia and so to be able once you start
Speaker 2: doing that in one capacity in your life, it kind
Speaker 2: of bleeds over into everything else. And so watching her
Speaker 2: produce this relationship between Sam and Brooke and just know
Speaker 2: like this is going to be a hit.
Speaker 5: I like this. That's so good.
Speaker 6: And you know what I like too, is that none
Speaker 6: of it's so easily won.
Speaker 3: I liked that they.
Speaker 6: That they didn't just make it. Haley pitches Brook this
Speaker 6: idea and Brooke goes.
Speaker 5: Great, Yeah, tie it up. With a bow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we really got to sort of back and forth
Speaker 6: about what felt hard, didn't feel right. You say, given
Speaker 6: what Jamie's just been through, I can't bring a teenager
Speaker 6: into this house. I say, given what's going on in
Speaker 6: my life, I can't take in a teen like I
Speaker 6: don't even I.
Speaker 3: Don't know what my job is.
Speaker 5: That was so funny, by the way you were like,
Speaker 5: she's so young, she's so old, she's old.
Speaker 2: I loved that.
Speaker 5: It was really cute. I loved it.
Speaker 6: I know, they really did give They gave me some stuff.
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed playing in this episode.
Speaker 5: Do I look thirty five to you?
Speaker 2: Oh? My god?
Speaker 6: You know, but it is so funny, like the we
Speaker 6: managed to do this balance in this storyline somehow of
Speaker 6: a lot of humor and a lot of heart. And
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed that you would see these little moments
Speaker 6: kind of creep in, you know, the way Haley talks
Speaker 6: to Brooke about Jamie, the way Peyton talks to Brooke
Speaker 6: about her dad.
Speaker 2: Ugh, I loved Oh any couch couch scenes are our
Speaker 2: sweet spot. Yeah, It's like, I just I don't even
Speaker 2: think Peyton's that physically comfortable with Lucas we lay in
Speaker 2: bed together in kind of big spoon, little spoon. But
Speaker 2: when Brook and Peyton are on a sofa, shit is
Speaker 2: just tangled and comfortable.
Speaker 5: Yes, we're fully spiderwebbed.
Speaker 2: Either I'm snotting on my own self or you are.
Speaker 2: Like I love those scenes because that's what that's what
Speaker 2: women do. I mean, that's what I do in my
Speaker 2: close relationships, just snot on my loved ones and then
Speaker 2: make cookies. Oh Brookies.
Speaker 6: I love that this is where they came from. I
Speaker 6: forgot that Brookies were based on Brooks obsession with Martha Stewart,
Speaker 6: which just kills me because I am. I am obsessed
Speaker 6: with Martha Stewart.
Speaker 5: That's really funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it.
Speaker 6: Was like remember a second grade you found out how
Speaker 6: much money Martha Stewart was making and decided to launch
Speaker 6: a baking business.
Speaker 2: Like it is just it's.
Speaker 6: So funny, and we get to reminisce about what a
Speaker 6: good dad Larry was.
Speaker 2: Well, and so for Peyton to draw that parallel between
Speaker 2: Larry and Brooke, I think is really important because those
Speaker 2: are the two constants in her life. But I think
Speaker 2: everyone holds Larry in such high esteem, and so for
Speaker 2: Brooke to see herself as a potential Larry. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of self worth in that that isn't career based.
Speaker 2: Maybe that and that's what we're getting over and over
Speaker 2: again in this episode too.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was it. That was with Lucas and with
Speaker 5: mouth Coming, Yeah, and with Nathan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I think there's something for everybody in this episode.
Speaker 6: They're realizing, like, well, what else is there? And I
Speaker 6: think there's also something very special about Peyton being able
Speaker 6: to share about Mick and what it's teaching her about
Speaker 6: Larry reminds Brooke of who she can be. And there's
Speaker 6: something about sharing with Brooke that reminds Peyton about how
Speaker 6: lucky she has been to have these the parents that
Speaker 6: she had. And and in a way, even though they're
Speaker 6: having the same conversation, they're both getting exactly what they
Speaker 6: need individually as women from the from the lesson in it,
Speaker 6: And it's cool to watch that happen to both of
Speaker 6: us on screen at the same time. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 6: liked watching myself realize that if as Brooke I get
Speaker 6: to be like Larry, whoa could I be?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 3: For Sam?
Speaker 6: And I loved watching you telling me about Mick and
Speaker 6: Larry and being like, I don't need Mick to be
Speaker 6: the fantasy dad because I already have the best dad. Like,
Speaker 6: it was so neat to watch realizations hit two people
Speaker 6: at the same time. You know, the realizations were totally different.
Speaker 5: It's a really smart tie in. But yeah, the writer's room, man,
Speaker 5: they really they locked that one in. It's good, they
Speaker 5: really did.
Speaker 2: I just wish we saw Larry is Larry. I know,
Speaker 2: why can't we have?
Speaker 5: I am hated him to answer that phone. Love that guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know that was somebody in business affairs
Speaker 6: being like that scene is two eighths of a page.
Speaker 3: We shan't be.
Speaker 6: Paying a guest star fee for that. And it's like,
Speaker 6: but maybe you could, because it would have.
Speaker 3: Just been better.
Speaker 2: Oh man, in a perfect world, I just want all
Speaker 2: my parents in one place. Yeah, man, perfect, what did
Speaker 2: we miss? I love how famous mouth has become and
Speaker 2: so funny and jealous of it.
Speaker 5: I'm really enjoying Lucas this season, I have to say,
Speaker 5: and I felt it again in this episode, like he yeah,
Speaker 5: there's just a groundedness. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: I wonder if it's because Lucas's storyline is less performative,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like he doesn't have to be.
Speaker 3: The superstar or like the Starcross.
Speaker 6: Lover, Like it's not he just gets to be a
Speaker 6: guy learning stuff about it.
Speaker 5: I feel like, I don't know if you've had a
Speaker 5: season in your life like this, where like you just
Speaker 5: get the kicked out of you and you just kind
Speaker 5: of go, you know what, I'm just going to take
Speaker 5: a break and you just kind of like coast through
Speaker 5: the next I don't know, six months, a year like whatever,
Speaker 5: and you're just going, yeah, I'm just gonna listen and
Speaker 5: I'll just be around. And I just don't really have
Speaker 5: the energy to dive into a lot of stuff right now.
Speaker 5: Like I'm beat, And I think Lucas has kind of
Speaker 5: had his ass kicked in a lot of ways. He's
Speaker 5: been going through a lot and up and down and
Speaker 5: just trying to figure out like now he's got this
Speaker 5: woman that he loves, it's finally locked in. Yeah, his
Speaker 5: book didn't do well, but he's kind of like, all right, fine,
Speaker 5: I just I don't have the energy. I just want
Speaker 5: to be here and be around the people I love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he says the right things, like when Peyton
Speaker 2: calls him. I like how Lucas talks to her. He's
Speaker 2: just like, tell me what's going on. It's just everything's
Speaker 2: for all the games that he's still playing with lindsay like,
Speaker 2: oh I forgot to tell you. Yeah. With Peyton, they
Speaker 2: are just they just say what they think now, and
Speaker 2: it's really it feels safe. That's what it is. I
Speaker 2: feel like Lucas feels safe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yes. Safety is the most attractive thing on a person
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sure is.
Speaker 6: And I think that's what enables that really gorgeous scene
Speaker 6: between Lucas and Mouth at the airport, like they're finishing
Speaker 6: each other's sentences almost like a couple, because they're having
Speaker 6: the same realizations that that whole thing dream job or
Speaker 6: dream girl, dreamgirl, no contest, Like they're volleying the words
Speaker 6: back and forth like a tennis match, and it's so
Speaker 6: fun because you see these two men going, we actually
Speaker 6: have everything we want, let's just go get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It's a safety.
Speaker 6: It's a settledness that feels it's.
Speaker 5: Like grounded, it's more grown up.
Speaker 3: He's just he's growing up.
Speaker 5: Our Lucas is.
Speaker 4: He's such a big bull life.
Speaker 2: So Tara wants to know what do you think each
Speaker 2: of your characters brings to their friendships with the other.
Speaker 2: For example, who is Hailey for Peyton and who is
Speaker 2: Hailey for Brooke? Oh god, Haley, how long do we
Speaker 2: have go? She specifically named you.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I feel like it'd be easier for
Speaker 5: me to say what maybe Peyton and Brook are for
Speaker 5: Hailey rather than let's do that? Yeah, I guess. I
Speaker 5: feel like there's a sense of playfulness in Brooke that
Speaker 5: Haley needs in her life, that she's holding onto so
Speaker 5: much responsibility, and the lightheartedness in their friendship is really
Speaker 5: fun to watch. And I think Haley has, as you know,
Speaker 5: was always drawn to that with Brooke, the not taking
Speaker 5: things too seriously and the irreverence and sort of just hey,
Speaker 5: life's messy, come on, let's be a mess. And Haley's like,
Speaker 5: oh god, I don't know how to be a mess.
Speaker 5: This is not natural for me. And with Peyton, I mean,
Speaker 5: she's the woman, she's the girl, the girl and the
Speaker 5: woman that her best friend growing up fell in love with,
Speaker 5: and so she knows there's such a depth there and
Speaker 5: you know, the literary prowess, the deep desire. I think
Speaker 5: it's maybe a little harder for Brooke to have the
Speaker 5: deep conversations because she's trying to hold up a facade
Speaker 5: of so many things in a lot of ways. And
Speaker 5: it feels like Peyton for some reason, although even though
Speaker 5: I know she's been angry a lot in the course
Speaker 5: of this show and hostile, it's also hostel is a
Speaker 5: great word, but she cracks pretty easy. And I think
Speaker 5: it's like, for some reason, her and Peyton have an
Speaker 5: easy way of communicating, and it's like there's a safe
Speaker 5: a safe zone. I'm talking too much, I'm taking up time.
Speaker 2: Go.
Speaker 5: I hope any of that made sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course that made sense. I think for Peyton,
Speaker 2: Haley is a muse, right, like having someone who's so
Speaker 2: talented that can do all the things that you can't do,
Speaker 2: Like Peyton can't play music, but she loves it. Peyton
Speaker 2: can't get up in front of a group and saying,
Speaker 2: but like, being a part of that world is her dream.
Speaker 2: And so having a collaborator in Haley, having a person
Speaker 2: that she can cheerlead for. Yeah, I love people talk
Speaker 2: about cheerleaders. They're devalued within the school ecosystem because it's
Speaker 2: you know whatever. There is no other club in any
Speaker 2: school that is all about centering other people. Cheerleaders know
Speaker 2: how to center other people, and so Peyton gets to
Speaker 2: center Haley in a way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's a stoker. She's like a firestoker. I love that.
Speaker 2: I think it's a fun I mean, she encourages Haley like, yeah,
Speaker 2: go date Nathan, Yeah, go out on tour. Yeah, out
Speaker 2: of retirement and do this album. Having someone that you
Speaker 2: can believe in is an important thing. And then having
Speaker 2: that person be a person of value and substance makes
Speaker 2: it really safe to believe in them. You know, Haley's
Speaker 2: never going to let Peyton down. And then I would
Speaker 2: say for Brook that balance of frivolity but also earnestness,
Speaker 2: there's a secret keeping sisterhood there where it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: we've been the one whispering in a corner since we
Speaker 2: were in second grade, you know, like you know that
Speaker 2: I'm a baby, but no one else can know that
Speaker 2: I'm a baby. And Brook's ability to pull Peyton out
Speaker 2: of dark places. I think that, you know, we joke
Speaker 2: about it being a love story, but there is a
Speaker 2: Yin and Yang there that works in relationships and friendships
Speaker 2: and it's you know, you have to be with your
Speaker 2: your match, your double.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, well I and that's something that I really
Speaker 6: identify with, like in terms of the character, you know,
Speaker 6: and I think Brooke and Peyton, because of the years
Speaker 6: of their friendship, have been that for each other.
Speaker 3: There really is like a seesaw or a Yin and Yang.
Speaker 3: And it's really.
Speaker 6: Interesting because the length of all of our friendships have
Speaker 6: shown me that reflecting on these relationships on cameras shown
Speaker 6: me things where I'm like, god, they really did capture
Speaker 6: certain things, Like as much as our characters are our characters,
Speaker 6: they captured certain things about us as women really.
Speaker 5: Well yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: And I was catching up with my girlfriend from my
Speaker 6: job in Chicago and she was like, yeah, that's you.
Speaker 6: Like I was pregnant and moving and you came over
Speaker 6: every night after a sixteen hour day and unpacked my
Speaker 6: house for me until it was done. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: I did that.
Speaker 3: I forgot yeah, and.
Speaker 6: I And there's something about that it encapsulates who we
Speaker 6: are in our lives and what we did on camera,
Speaker 6: like that Brook and Peyton could get each other through
Speaker 6: the loss of parents, whether it be a death or abandonment,
Speaker 6: and we could do it by you know, laughing and
Speaker 6: building igloos and bacon cookies, or you know, showing up
Speaker 6: just to lay and cry, to tell those secrets and
Speaker 6: to be able to do both. And what I think
Speaker 6: I've realized is that they were always you know, the
Speaker 6: yin and yang. They were tweeled the and tweedled them
Speaker 6: like they were the siblings for their whole lives, even
Speaker 6: though they weren't actually siblings. And what I've come to
Speaker 6: realize through watching the six seasons of the show so
Speaker 6: far is that Brooke and Haley find that almost like steps,
Speaker 6: like step siblings do, like your parents get married and
Speaker 6: suddenly you live with another teenager.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because we were thrust together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like Brook and Haley in the beginning are like,
Speaker 6: I don't have anything in common with you?
Speaker 5: Are we together right now?
Speaker 6: And then it's like, oh, wait, we actually have so
Speaker 6: much in common, so do it differently. But we want
Speaker 6: to help everyone. We want to put everybody first. We
Speaker 6: were searching for our identities and often like making sure
Speaker 6: everyone else has what they need.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're both really loyal too. By the way and like,
Speaker 5: didn't you know I just that made me think of
Speaker 5: that when you said that. Just now that Haley, her
Speaker 5: whole family is just dispersed, like who's there for her
Speaker 5: loyally except for Brook who's always showing up.
Speaker 6: And it's like there is a ferocious loyalty here. And
Speaker 6: I almost wonder if kind of like magnets, like at
Speaker 6: first they hit on the wrong sides and they like
Speaker 6: they go the other way, and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: we we fit together this way, and we actually fit
Speaker 6: really really well. Yeah, And and in a way, I
Speaker 6: feel like it's this, it's this like mirror mirrored energy
Speaker 6: of relationship.
Speaker 3: One is new and one is old.
Speaker 6: But really what we come back to is this like
Speaker 6: it's like it's a sisterhood. It's a it's a I
Speaker 6: can tell you anything, and I know I that you
Speaker 6: will take care of me, and I know you will
Speaker 6: also call me out when I need it, and I
Speaker 6: know you will understand my motivation when I fail, and
Speaker 6: you will cheer me on when I succeed, And like, yeah,
Speaker 6: there's something again. I think it's why we always come
Speaker 6: back to this phrase, is like it's why the three
Speaker 6: of us are doing this. It's it's the women. It's
Speaker 6: like our friendships really are the love story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's really cool.
Speaker 3: It's cool to see.
Speaker 2: That's a good question, Tara.
Speaker 6: Sorry, but hopefully you enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Spin in the wheel?
Speaker 5: What do we got? Let's spin this wheel?
Speaker 2: Most likely too.
Speaker 5: O lord leave their luggage on a plane?
Speaker 6: Oh boy, who is that scatterbrained?
Speaker 2: It would never be me, It would never be made.
Speaker 2: I could never But who could? Character? You? Would you
Speaker 2: leave luggage on a plane?
Speaker 5: A thousand percent? I could leave luggage on a plane?
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Why? I am always daydreaming. I
Speaker 5: like it's lucky that I get off planes without with
Speaker 5: my electronics. Intact most of the time somewhere in Atlanta
Speaker 5: are my earbuds. But who knows?
Speaker 3: Oh boy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right? Which character that.
Speaker 3: Feels like Rachel?
Speaker 6: That feels like Rachel and the Dan Scott era, you know,
Speaker 6: being like I have a jet, someone gets my luggage
Speaker 6: for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, I'll sign it. I'll go sign on that.
Speaker 5: It's good.
Speaker 3: I love it. Hey, what do we have next?
Speaker 2: Episode?
Speaker 6: Season six, Episode seven, Messing with the Kid? Oh, sounds
Speaker 6: like we're getting ready for we're getting ready to rumble.
Speaker 5: Okay, sounds fun. I can't wait more slamball. All right,
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