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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama.

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Speaker 3: Girl Drama, Girl, all about them.

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Speaker 4: High school queens.

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Speaker 3: We'll take you for a ride.

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Speaker 4: And our comic girl shared for the right team.

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Speaker 5: Drama Queens up girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queen Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, John mc

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 2: You guys, I'm back, don't don't I know? You guys

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Speaker 2: recorded episodes before we broke for the new year, but

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Speaker 2: this is our first recording back. You know from break?

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Speaker 2: What'd you guys do?

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Speaker 5: Would break? Yeah? Good break? What did you do? Well?

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Speaker 2: I did zero. I stayed home with my family, but

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Speaker 2: the ghost of Christmas past came to see me on

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Speaker 2: the very last day of break and I get this

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Speaker 2: text message and it's Venice Leone, our supervisor, Mike Leone

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Speaker 2: and his wife, who was an all our eye doctor.

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Speaker 2: They had a five year old little girl, season one

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Speaker 2: of One Tree Hill, and I connected with this child

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Speaker 2: And I remember taking her to see Mama Mia in

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Speaker 2: the movie theater and promising her that one day, when

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Speaker 2: that she was driving through coming back from a ski

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Speaker 2: trip and wanted to come by the farm. And this

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Speaker 2: child is like all grown up now and she's the

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Speaker 2: most beautiful woman. And she just sat with me at

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Speaker 2: my kitchen table, and Jeff and my children it was

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Speaker 2: like they were watching lightning strikes because it was just two.

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Speaker 2: We have the same birthday. We're both July first babies.

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Speaker 2: And they were like, whoever for that girl is? You?

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Speaker 2: Two were in love and just I was so happy

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Speaker 2: that memory of One Tree Hill and like, have my

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Speaker 2: relationships that we created while we were down there. Oh,

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Speaker 2: venis what a treat.

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Speaker 3: I loved it so cool.

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Speaker 5: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my New Year's Would you guys do

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Speaker 2: did you get crazy light fireworks?

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Speaker 5: Oh no, I should let some fireworks. I'm such a

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Speaker 5: Fourth of July firework lighter. Not not New Year's For

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Speaker 5: some reason, I went to California and just saw my

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Speaker 5: sister and brother and family, and all the kids just

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Speaker 5: we know, we walked the dog and we opened up

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Speaker 5: presents early in the morning and made French toast and

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Speaker 5: did the whole like that's what Christmas is for. It's

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Speaker 3: It a great Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I just I took my I took my parents up

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Speaker 6: to Wine Country and my best friend from London came out.

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Speaker 6: And I always do a bit of like an orphan Christmas.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, all my friends who don't go see family,

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Speaker 3: It's like it's really really sweet.

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Speaker 6: So it was like, you know, Jack, my friend who's

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Speaker 2: She loves an activity.

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Speaker 6: So it's like, do you want to build a fire

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Speaker 6: the Hunger Games.

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Speaker 2: It's really cheatier on the.

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Speaker 5: It's a roll.

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Speaker 2: You should do LARPing with all your friends. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, between the three of us and all the

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Speaker 6: excellent at that. I don't know that it's where I

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Speaker 2: Here we go listen our New Year's resolution. More LARPing please.

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Speaker 2: So I kicked off my new year. I kicked off

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Speaker 2: my morning by catching up on all the episodes you

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Speaker 2: six is so heavy. I don't know Moore episodes in

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Speaker 7: I don't know how you guys at home do this.

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Speaker 7: It was are you guys okay? Are we were not okay?

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Speaker 7: Sometimes it was tough. There were some ref heavy moments.

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Speaker 2: It's dark. Well, I feel like we're on like there's

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Speaker 2: things are lightening up, or maybe people are just like

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Speaker 2: becoming okay. But this was episode six, Choosing My Own

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Speaker 2: Way of Life. Air date October thirteenth, two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: Somebody give us the synopsis.

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Speaker 6: Well, Lucas begins his book tour and is joined by

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Speaker 6: a familiar face. Nathan is given an opportunity to play

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Speaker 6: question his health and Haley tries to help a student

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Speaker 6: in need. Brooke considers a life changing proposition, while Peyton

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Speaker 6: was directed by the lovely Clark Mathis, and I agree

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Speaker 6: it does feel like we're getting out of the darkness

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: This whole episode felt like people reaching for where they belong.

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Speaker 2: What do we start with? So Lucas is going to

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Speaker 2: what did Lucas say Lindsey. I was upset about that, Like, Lucas,

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Speaker 2: I heard a business meeting.

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Speaker 6: I mean, come on, give her a heads up before

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Speaker 2: Jesus so sweaty about it.

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Speaker 5: Also, I loved, by the way, even though it was

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Speaker 6: But you know what I will say is that's one

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Speaker 5: Yeah that's true, that's fair.

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Speaker 6: But you know what I love about that whole storyline

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Speaker 6: is that at the top of this episode, my first

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Speaker 6: you're like, yeah, I'm jealous, what do you want from me?

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Speaker 3: And I just loved it. I loved the way you

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Speaker 6: Felt so familiar between you too, And I think you

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Speaker 6: don't know, it just it felt so sunken in in

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's weird to have to go on an

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, like, is that how book tours

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Speaker 7: Know, a PR person, his book agent, yeah, or somebody else.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that your editor goes on those trips,

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Speaker 2: Sleep with Lindsay. He's already done that. What's I gonna do?

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Speaker 2: But it's a great excuse to bring Mouth back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the best.

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Speaker 6: That was fun, It really is And mouth storyline I

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Speaker 6: and it just every single thing that Lee did in

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Speaker 6: this episode made me laugh so hard, even the way

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Speaker 6: he shows up to the signing and goes, oh, oh's comedy.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just got a mouthful.

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Speaker 6: Every everything he did made me do a spit take laughing.

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Speaker 5: It was that kid that took a picture with him

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Speaker 5: was hilarious too. It was so funny. Yeah, mouth just

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Speaker 5: has it. He hasn't like had anything front center for

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Speaker 5: really was just rolling with a comedy and it's been

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Speaker 5: a minute. It's so great, like refreshing. I forgot that.

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Speaker 5: I missed it so much.

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Speaker 2: In the week of Quentin's death. I loved Lucas being

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Speaker 2: okay with this book not doing well, you know, like

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Speaker 2: for Lucas who had this whole fight with Peyton, like

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Speaker 2: you couldn't be with me because ma, you didn't think

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Speaker 2: I could do it. Remember all that emphasis he was

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Speaker 2: placing on the success of his book and how rapped

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Speaker 2: up his identity. Wasn't all of that. No one gives

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Speaker 2: you know what, not a problem. I'm just gonna go

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Speaker 6: What I like about it too, though, is that he

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Speaker 6: says it's the best thing I've ever written because it brought.

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Speaker 3: Us back together. Oh yeah, because.

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Speaker 6: Truly, sometimes the quote unquote failure is the exact lesson

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. They built a whole gym, the whole

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Speaker 6: And then underneath I realized I was also having that

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Speaker 2: You are getting a trampoline next, aren't you all those

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Speaker 5: No, I will not dig the hole.

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Speaker 6: Too many people, too many people break their arms to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, it's not for me. I'm good.

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Speaker 5: It is a feeling like bouncing.

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Speaker 2: My body wasn't made for it got long, brittle bones.

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Speaker 5: So you just said something that actually is another theme

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was at Brook and Sam and Brook and

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Speaker 6: I think there's something really beautiful about that theme for everyone,

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Speaker 3: It's all so special.

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Speaker 6: It's not a fairy tale, but it is magical. I think,

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Speaker 2: I remember every second of that story, cause you, guys know,

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Speaker 2: John Doe is just the guy for me. I loved

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and guys, I loved him.

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Speaker 2: I loved him. This was such a year. Season six

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Speaker 2: you know, that sobriety trip that she finds and you

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Speaker 2: Everything looked so different, and then it becomes such a

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Speaker 5: You broke my heart too. Your performance was really really beautiful. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was so authentic and dropped in it was great.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks again. It was like another person. I didn't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I only.

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Speaker 2: Wish that somehow Peyton had like brought up Hey, you

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Speaker 2: know that you have another son too, right, Like, there's

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Speaker 2: this Derek fella that saved my life once. You should

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Speaker 2: talk to him too, dude. That conversation didn't happen out

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Speaker 3: That's so sweet whatever.

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Speaker 2: I was texting with him today, He's still my sweetie.

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Speaker 5: Oh such a stud.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was great, but that said, now we've got

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Speaker 3: And.

442
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 6: You get to hold that for Nathan and Lucas, who

443
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 6: Dan is is unforgivable, and for Jamie, Dan is a

444
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 6: hero and what do you do with that?

445
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: You know?

446
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 6: Nathan says, I don't know where that leaves us, but

447
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 6: it's so true. It's like, you know, you can be

448
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 6: the hero to so many people, and the villain to

449
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 6: someone else. You how do you hold space for all

450
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 6: of these realities? And this one is so extreme obviously

451
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 6: because hello, it's one treell it's a team drama. Like

452
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 6: it's not like, well, you hurt this person and this

453
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 6: other person you rescue. It's like, no, you literally saved

454
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 6: one person's life.

455
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 2: And murdered another. He literally just literally a person like Jesus.

456
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 6: But you know, it's it's a really big question to

457
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 6: hang in the air. You know, what do you what

458
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 6: do you do with this when it's so extreme, when

459
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 6: it's so evil, and also you're so thankful for this person,

460
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 6: like wow, Dan, Jamie and Haley and death might all

461
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 6: be dead, Like you know, it's so complicated. And I

462
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 6: like that they just let it sit there, and I

463
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 6: like that it was dark in the hallway. It all

464
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 6: felt a little surreal and magical and sad.

465
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 5: The first time Dan actually seems remorseful in a way

466
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 5: that is not selfish to me, for the first time ever,

467
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 5: I've seen him appear remorseful, not because I feel bad

468
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 5: because I can't have my way. It was like this

469
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 5: is bad, This whole thing is bad, and I've done

470
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 5: something bad to you, Like he was seeing for the

471
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 5: first time how his actions have affected other people.

472
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's also still doing weird shit like send

473
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: and deb all those roses and like there's still yeah

474
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: Dan Scott in there.

475
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like nobody changes overnight. I mean, it's like,

476
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 5: if it takes you one bad decision after another slowly

477
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 5: to get you into a place where you turn into

478
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 5: a monster, is it one right decision after another to

479
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 5: walk you out of it?

480
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

481
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

482
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 5: I don't know either.

483
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 6: It was interesting to me though he is in this

484
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 6: different space he does. And look, I think a near

485
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 6: death experience. I think nearly losing someone or losing someone

486
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 6: you love can shift your whole world. I've certainly experienced both.

487
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: And it is.

488
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 6: It's seismic, it's like an earthquake, like nothing is the same.

489
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 6: But it is interesting that he is having this experience

490
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 6: and everyone around him is like, no, we've set our

491
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 6: boundaries with you. And he sends Deb these flowers and

492
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 6: there's something sort of poetic for her that she is

493
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 6: too little, too late getting what she needed and deserved

494
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 6: from Dan and is like, no, absolutely not. And in

495
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 6: the moment where she yeah, she holds up her boundary

496
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 6: the present situation that you know, doesn't look like she

497
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 6: thought it was going to look like. I'm sure she

498
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 6: didn't think one of Nathan's friends was going to become

499
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 6: her boyfriend. And here's sweet man, Oh my god, obsessed,

500
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 6: here is this sweet man. The minute she literally throws

501
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 6: Dan in the trash, here's a guy at her door

502
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 6: with flowers for no reason other than he thinks she

503
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 6: deserves them. And it's like, what a what an energetic

504
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 6: shift for her?

505
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: You know? Yes, I just love the skills. Keeps asking like,

506
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: why is no one taking this seriously? I know? And

507
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: I hate it for him because he says, I don't

508
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: even know what episode it's in, But he says, at

509
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: some point, my last serious relationship with was Bevin, And

510
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are they doing to He's a good looking,

511
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: successful man. What do you mean in our little time jump,

512
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: he didn't have like a couple hot serious relationships. I

513
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: hate that they have this huge gap and blondes for Antlom,

514
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: but I can if he is so inexperienced in dating.

515
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: I love that they have it so serious for him

516
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: that they you know, to him, this is going somewhere.

517
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: Potentially he is comfortable yeah, I mean I like it

518
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: for Deb too, she's younger than us.

519
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 6: The comedy of her watching them play basketball.

520
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: You're doing great, honey, and.

521
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 2: I yelped so good.

522
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: That was so funny.

523
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think if I would

524
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: be mad if my parent was dating my friend.

525
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, it would be really strange. I

526
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 5: don't think i'd be mad. It would just be really weird.

527
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I would like But what if

528
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: it was actually more fun?

529
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

530
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: Like think hmm, think hangouts just like I was gonna

531
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: invite you anyway here you are.

532
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the thing is with your friend, like you

533
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 5: talk about stuff and like I don't want to know

534
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 5: stuff about my parents.

535
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: Everybody in tree Hill already knows deb stuff. Man, she

536
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: has spent decades just sharing stuff. If anything Antoine skills

537
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: is gonna help her lock it back down, like maybe

538
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: just bring it down. And she's not on the apps anymore,

539
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: is she? No?

540
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 5: I don't think so.

541
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: See things are looking up now. She's not bringing clowns

542
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: over the house. Yeah, you know, she is such good

543
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: comedic relief in this because even when they see Dan

544
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: at the riverwalk. You know, she just what she's really

545
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: getting good at is being apathetic and just diffusing the

546
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: situation instead of letting it affect anyone anymore. She's not

547
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: letting it affect Skills, she's not letting it affect Jamie,

548
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: she's not letting it affect Nathan. It's just, hey, this

549
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: is not even an issue.

550
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 5: We're good, excellent modeling of lovingly detached.

551
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 2: M hands off, except that hand on the butt walking away.

552
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 6: What you know what was so weird about that is

553
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 6: as they were walking away and Dan was talking about

554
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 6: how it hurt, I was like, they wouldn't go so

555
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 6: far as to have Skills grab her butt in front

556
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 6: of Dan, right And as I'm thinking this, it cuts

557
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 6: back and he's got a and I went, oh, yeah, okay,

558
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 6: we really want did that?

559
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 3: We really went for it.

560
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 5: Paul's reactions were great too, They were just so subtle

561
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: and yeah, haircut in.

562
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Really did.

563
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 6: I loved this haircut on him. I have to say,

564
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 6: I think one of the things I enjoyed watching him

565
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 6: do the most in this episode was beat He was

566
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 6: like a jolly scrooge And maybe I'm maybe that's the

567
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 6: metaphor I'm coming up with because it was just the

568
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 6: holidays but him sort of stomping out the childhood magic,

569
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 6: but also like just undoing ridiculous lies like no, you

570
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 6: don't get a wish for every Brussels sprout.

571
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: You eat, like.

572
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: Because it wasn't like telling.

573
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 6: A kid Santa's not real. It wasn't like some horrible thing.

574
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 6: It was just it was so funny to me. It

575
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 6: was it felt like he was just like stepping on

576
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 6: glitter a little bit. And I liked it, growing upsly thing.

577
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well it came right out of that scene

578
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: where Peyton finds Mick drunk on the coffee tip on

579
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: the pool table. Yeah, and I loved that. It was

580
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: like Mick is clearly lying to her and being like

581
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: a huge asshole, and it cuts right to Dan being

582
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: like grown up sly kid. Yeah you are, yeah, you

583
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: know I like that heredity.

584
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

585
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: I like that both Peyton and Mick were really mean

586
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: to each other in that scene. She comes in so

587
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: judgy with such a bad temper and he meets her

588
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: with such a bad temper, and it was like, oh,

589
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: you two are related. This is genetic.

590
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 5: It's fun. It was fun watching them together.

591
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: But then what else is genetic. We've got Victoria and Brooks.

592
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. How did you feel about this about like

593
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 5: is this when you first started skydiving, Sophia, when Brooks

594
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 5: started talking about wanting to do this, Yeah, it's.

595
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 6: So funny because there were so many things on that

596
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 6: list that are like things from my list, And I

597
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 6: was like, oh wow, I forget that our lives and

598
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 6: our dreams and all of our conversations were mined for

599
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 6: content for our show. But the thing I love is

600
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 6: that Brooke is her number one go to is like, Okay,

601
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 6: well what are we going to do for work? What

602
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 6: are we going to do about this empty store? Oh

603
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 6: you have ideas? Okay, pitch him to me. She's always

604
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 6: ready to work, to show up for the job. And

605
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 6: it gave me this really weird feeling where I was like,

606
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 6: oh man, I am, I am like that? Like I

607
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 6: think we all we were raised to be like that.

608
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: You know, we did.

609
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 6: We were so lucky obviously to do this job for

610
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 6: as long as we did. But when your first job

611
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 6: lasts for this long, you also get cultured to do

612
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 6: the job in the exact way it happens on that set.

613
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 6: And so there were a lot of things we didn't

614
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 6: know we're bad or inappropriate until we got older. Yeah,

615
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 6: and there's something I've had to really sort of examine

616
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 6: in this season about what it is to be a performer.

617
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 6: You can be a you know, a theater performer, a

618
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 6: visual performer, performance athlete, like whatever the thing is where

619
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 6: you have to show up and put your body and

620
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 6: your brain on the line. It can really culture you

621
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 6: out of knowing what you need or feeling your feelings

622
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 6: because you're like, I'm part of this team and here

623
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 6: I go and for my crew, and it was. It

624
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 6: gave me this weird, like deep in my bones feeling

625
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 6: of recognition to watch the scene, and it gave me

626
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 6: really nostalgic sweetness for all of what we've been able

627
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 6: to do as groups of friends, what we did for

628
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 6: each other then, what we've done for each other since

629
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 6: we started this podcast, Like these sort of circles of healing,

630
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 6: and Millie really represents that. She's like, well, yeah, before

631
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 6: you can fix the work stuff, it's about your heart,

632
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 6: Like you have to heal your soul before you can

633
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 6: hear your company. And I was like, wow, I didn't

634
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 6: I didn't realize that that sort of cycle was always

635
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 6: going to remain true through life. But like, that's what

636
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 6: we all decided to do together in twenty twenty. And

637
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 6: I love that in Brooke Davis's world, when her mother

638
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 6: was the person who always said no, no, you can't

639
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 6: dream that, No, you can't do that.

640
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: No, that's not.

641
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 6: Practical, because we've all had our own versions of those

642
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 6: in our real life, Millie, like you both have at times.

643
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 6: For me, like some of my other best friends have

644
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 6: at times, for me, was the one who was like,

645
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 6: don't let anybody tell you no. And by the way,

646
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 6: while she's being rude and telling you no, I'm just

647
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 6: going to keep this list for you and remind you

648
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 6: of all the things you've said you wanted to do

649
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 6: when it's time.

650
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, wow, we do that.

651
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: The listening is so important. The fact that you had

652
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: no idea that she was listening.

653
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 5: No, Oh, that reaction you gave her when you realized

654
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 5: that she had been listening the whole time, Yeah, little tear,

655
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 5: It was so good.

656
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 6: And she's the one, you know, she's the one who

657
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 6: says welcome to someday.

658
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: Yes, Like that's where it comes from. And it just

659
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: I don't know it really it felt.

660
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 6: So special for the arc of this character that I

661
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 6: have loved for so long and that I loved to

662
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 6: play for so long, and it felt felt really true

663
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 6: across these decades for all of us as women, then

664
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 6: for all of us as women now. I was like, shit,

665
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 6: this is one of those moments where I go, I

666
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 6: get why people say there's magic in this show, because

667
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 6: that like, I see myself in this person, and I

668
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 6: know how many people have watched this show and seen

669
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 6: themselves in that scene as well.

670
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, you want to be both people in that scene.

671
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 5: You want to be the friend that's able to show

672
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 5: up and have listened all those years and show up

673
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: with the magical moment, and you want to be the

674
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 5: recipient of it as well.

675
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

676
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: But then Haley shows up and she's actually the person

677
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: that could facilitate one of those lifelong goals. This whole

678
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: this whole coercion with Sam where it's like Sam, you're

679
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: in a car baby.

680
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

681
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: I like the scenes between Haley and Sam.

682
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too.

683
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: I mean, Haley put herself out there with Quinton and

684
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: investing in a child that's not your own is a gamble,

685
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: and to see her do it again, so openly is

686
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: nice because it would be really easy for her to

687
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, you know what, I'm going to create

688
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: a boundary. Yeah, I'm not going to get into my

689
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: student's personal lives. That hurts.

690
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 7: That hurt.

691
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

692
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 6: Well, And you know what, I liked about that too. Sometimes,

693
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 6: and I know we've talked about this sometimes when we

694
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 6: have to do exposition on the show, when there's been

695
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 6: a time jump or whatever, the lines feel clunky. I

696
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 6: actually wrote a note about how I loved the way

697
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 6: they talked about the time jump on that Walk and

698
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 6: talk with Haley and Nathan. When you and James are

699
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 6: walking through the quad, it.

700
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 5: Feels shop class and we yeah, it's like.

701
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 6: It's an easy The energy of it is easy and

702
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 6: almost like you know, it's a throwaway. We're not like

703
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 6: hitting the nail over the head too hard, but we

704
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 6: make it clear that you've had a moment. You're dressed.

705
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 6: I literally wrote like, oh my god, Joy looks so

706
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 6: grown up. Yeah, like, you know, you've put on this

707
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 6: nice outfit. You're coming back to school, it's been two weeks,

708
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 6: and Nathan's there with you and he's walking you in

709
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 6: so you don't have to go in alone, and then

710
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 6: there's this nostalgia for high school, like you didn't know

711
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 6: you could cut through shop class and he tells you

712
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 6: you're a nerd, and I love that. It just feels hopeful,

713
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 6: it's sweet and like, yeah, it's cute, it's romantic. It

714
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 6: reminds us of you guys in high school. And then

715
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 6: the jolt of Sam being in the car.

716
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 3: You just don't see it coming.

717
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it.

718
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 6: All felt like authentic and real. It was such a

719
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 6: real way to find this. Yeah, it wasn't overly dramatized.

720
00:37:54,239 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 6: It didn't feel soapy. It felt really present, and yeah,

721
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 6: maybe it is to your point, Hillary, it's like she's

722
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 6: had just enough time to not react out of fear,

723
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 6: but instead to go like, oh, this is my chance

724
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 6: to dive back into what I'm good at. I am

725
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 6: going to keep showing up. I am I am going

726
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 6: to reclaim all the good things that I know how

727
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 6: to do instead of be afraid or stay away any longer.

728
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: You know.

729
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think everybody has something or things inside of

730
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 5: them that really lights them up. And everybody can't do

731
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 5: everything for everyone in the world. You know, we all

732
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 5: have like these pockets of areas where we have passion

733
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 5: for something that we're really and we have the capability.

734
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 5: It's like, somehow we have the capability to fulfill the

735
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 5: needs for whatever. The space is where the passion is right.

736
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 5: And I think that's true about Haley here, about caring

737
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: for the students and where some other people might have

738
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: needed to just set up a boundary, like you're saying,

739
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 5: hill and go. I'm not going to get involved in

740
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 5: the lives of my students anymore. It's just too much.

741
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 5: I can't bring it home. But this is her, this

742
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 5: is her zone. It's like what she was born to

743
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 5: do is help help these kids. She's always had a past,

744
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 5: she's a tutoring at high school. She was always looking

745
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 5: out for people. She's from this family of kids that

746
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 5: are all looking out for each other, and it's just

747
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 5: her zone. So and I often think too specifically in

748
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 5: the areas in our life where we are where we

749
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 5: excel and are really gifted the most. I don't know

750
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 5: if attack is the right word, but the most opposition

751
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 5: we meet, the most resistance, and often we'll get pushed

752
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 5: down so far where we have to question, like do

753
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 5: I really want to keep going and keep doing this?

754
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: And I like seeing that Haley is still just getting

755
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: back up and going and like she's not going to

756
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 5: take no for an answer. This is who she is,

757
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 5: This is what she needs, what she wants to give,

758
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: how she's able to serve, and she's doing it. And

759
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 5: I'm happy that.

760
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: She's a producer. I mean, the thing about producing that

761
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: we all know is that it's really just about matching things.

762
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: It's just a matching game. It's like this matches with this,

763
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: and this skill set matches with this.

764
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great.

765
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: And Haley does that as an artist. We saw her

766
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: do it with Chris Keller. It was like, you're terrible,

767
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: but our voices match. And she's able to do that

768
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: with Mia and so to be able once you start

769
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: doing that in one capacity in your life, it kind

770
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: of bleeds over into everything else. And so watching her

771
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: produce this relationship between Sam and Brooke and just know

772
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: like this is going to be a hit.

773
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: I like this. That's so good.

774
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 6: And you know what I like too, is that none

775
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 6: of it's so easily won.

776
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: I liked that they.

777
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 6: That they didn't just make it. Haley pitches Brook this

778
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 6: idea and Brooke goes.

779
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 5: Great, Yeah, tie it up. With a bow.

780
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, we really got to sort of back and forth

781
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 6: about what felt hard, didn't feel right. You say, given

782
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 6: what Jamie's just been through, I can't bring a teenager

783
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 6: into this house. I say, given what's going on in

784
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 6: my life, I can't take in a teen like I

785
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 6: don't even I.

786
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: Don't know what my job is.

787
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 5: That was so funny, by the way you were like,

788
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 5: she's so young, she's so old, she's old.

789
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: I loved that.

790
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 5: It was really cute. I loved it.

791
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 6: I know, they really did give They gave me some stuff.

792
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed playing in this episode.

793
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 5: Do I look thirty five to you?

794
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: Oh? My god?

795
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 6: You know, but it is so funny, like the we

796
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 6: managed to do this balance in this storyline somehow of

797
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 6: a lot of humor and a lot of heart. And

798
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed that you would see these little moments

799
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 6: kind of creep in, you know, the way Haley talks

800
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 6: to Brooke about Jamie, the way Peyton talks to Brooke

801
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 6: about her dad.

802
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: Ugh, I loved Oh any couch couch scenes are our

803
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: sweet spot. Yeah, It's like, I just I don't even

804
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: think Peyton's that physically comfortable with Lucas we lay in

805
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: bed together in kind of big spoon, little spoon. But

806
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: when Brook and Peyton are on a sofa, shit is

807
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: just tangled and comfortable.

808
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 5: Yes, we're fully spiderwebbed.

809
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: Either I'm snotting on my own self or you are.

810
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: Like I love those scenes because that's what that's what

811
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: women do. I mean, that's what I do in my

812
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: close relationships, just snot on my loved ones and then

813
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: make cookies. Oh Brookies.

814
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 6: I love that this is where they came from. I

815
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 6: forgot that Brookies were based on Brooks obsession with Martha Stewart,

816
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 6: which just kills me because I am. I am obsessed

817
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 6: with Martha Stewart.

818
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 5: That's really funny.

819
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it.

820
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 6: Was like remember a second grade you found out how

821
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 6: much money Martha Stewart was making and decided to launch

822
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 6: a baking business.

823
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: Like it is just it's.

824
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 6: So funny, and we get to reminisce about what a

825
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 6: good dad Larry was.

826
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: Well, and so for Peyton to draw that parallel between

827
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: Larry and Brooke, I think is really important because those

828
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: are the two constants in her life. But I think

829
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: everyone holds Larry in such high esteem, and so for

830
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: Brooke to see herself as a potential Larry. There's a

831
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: lot of self worth in that that isn't career based.

832
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: Maybe that and that's what we're getting over and over

833
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: again in this episode too.

834
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.

835
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: It just doesn't matter.

836
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was it. That was with Lucas and with

837
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 5: mouth Coming, Yeah, and with Nathan.

838
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

839
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 6: And I think there's something for everybody in this episode.

840
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 6: They're realizing, like, well, what else is there? And I

841
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 6: think there's also something very special about Peyton being able

842
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 6: to share about Mick and what it's teaching her about

843
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 6: Larry reminds Brooke of who she can be. And there's

844
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 6: something about sharing with Brooke that reminds Peyton about how

845
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 6: lucky she has been to have these the parents that

846
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 6: she had. And and in a way, even though they're

847
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 6: having the same conversation, they're both getting exactly what they

848
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 6: need individually as women from the from the lesson in it,

849
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 6: And it's cool to watch that happen to both of

850
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 6: us on screen at the same time. Yeah, Like I

851
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 6: liked watching myself realize that if as Brooke I get

852
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 6: to be like Larry, whoa could I be?

853
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: That?

854
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: For Sam?

855
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 6: And I loved watching you telling me about Mick and

856
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 6: Larry and being like, I don't need Mick to be

857
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 6: the fantasy dad because I already have the best dad. Like,

858
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 6: it was so neat to watch realizations hit two people

859
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 6: at the same time. You know, the realizations were totally different.

860
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 5: It's a really smart tie in. But yeah, the writer's room, man,

861
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 5: they really they locked that one in. It's good, they

862
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 5: really did.

863
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: I just wish we saw Larry is Larry. I know,

864
00:44:59,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: why can't we have?

865
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 5: I am hated him to answer that phone. Love that guy.

866
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know that was somebody in business affairs

867
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 6: being like that scene is two eighths of a page.

868
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 3: We shan't be.

869
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 6: Paying a guest star fee for that. And it's like,

870
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 6: but maybe you could, because it would have.

871
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 3: Just been better.

872
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: Oh man, in a perfect world, I just want all

873
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: my parents in one place. Yeah, man, perfect, what did

874
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: we miss? I love how famous mouth has become and

875
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: so funny and jealous of it.

876
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 5: I'm really enjoying Lucas this season, I have to say,

877
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: and I felt it again in this episode, like he yeah,

878
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 5: there's just a groundedness. I don't know what it is.

879
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 5: What is it?

880
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: Well?

881
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 6: I wonder if it's because Lucas's storyline is less performative,

882
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like he doesn't have to be.

883
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 3: The superstar or like the Starcross.

884
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 6: Lover, Like it's not he just gets to be a

885
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 6: guy learning stuff about it.

886
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 5: I feel like, I don't know if you've had a

887
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 5: season in your life like this, where like you just

888
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 5: get the kicked out of you and you just kind

889
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 5: of go, you know what, I'm just going to take

890
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 5: a break and you just kind of like coast through

891
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 5: the next I don't know, six months, a year like whatever,

892
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 5: and you're just going, yeah, I'm just gonna listen and

893
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 5: I'll just be around. And I just don't really have

894
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 5: the energy to dive into a lot of stuff right now.

895
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 5: Like I'm beat, And I think Lucas has kind of

896
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 5: had his ass kicked in a lot of ways. He's

897
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 5: been going through a lot and up and down and

898
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 5: just trying to figure out like now he's got this

899
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: woman that he loves, it's finally locked in. Yeah, his

900
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: book didn't do well, but he's kind of like, all right, fine,

901
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 5: I just I don't have the energy. I just want

902
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 5: to be here and be around the people I love.

903
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he says the right things, like when Peyton

904
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 2: calls him. I like how Lucas talks to her. He's

905
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: just like, tell me what's going on. It's just everything's

906
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: for all the games that he's still playing with lindsay like,

907
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: oh I forgot to tell you. Yeah. With Peyton, they

908
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: are just they just say what they think now, and

909
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: it's really it feels safe. That's what it is. I

910
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: feel like Lucas feels safe.

911
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.

912
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: Yes. Safety is the most attractive thing on a person

913
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: for sure.

914
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sure is.

915
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 6: And I think that's what enables that really gorgeous scene

916
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 6: between Lucas and Mouth at the airport, like they're finishing

917
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 6: each other's sentences almost like a couple, because they're having

918
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 6: the same realizations that that whole thing dream job or

919
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 6: dream girl, dreamgirl, no contest, Like they're volleying the words

920
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 6: back and forth like a tennis match, and it's so

921
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 6: fun because you see these two men going, we actually

922
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 6: have everything we want, let's just go get it.

923
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.

924
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 3: It's a safety.

925
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 6: It's a settledness that feels it's.

926
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 5: Like grounded, it's more grown up.

927
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: He's just he's growing up.

928
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 5: Our Lucas is.

929
00:47:48,719 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 4: He's such a big bull life.

930
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: So Tara wants to know what do you think each

931
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: of your characters brings to their friendships with the other.

932
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: For example, who is Hailey for Peyton and who is

933
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: Hailey for Brooke? Oh god, Haley, how long do we

934
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: have go? She specifically named you.

935
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 5: I don't know. I feel like it'd be easier for

936
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 5: me to say what maybe Peyton and Brook are for

937
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 5: Hailey rather than let's do that? Yeah, I guess. I

938
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 5: feel like there's a sense of playfulness in Brooke that

939
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 5: Haley needs in her life, that she's holding onto so

940
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 5: much responsibility, and the lightheartedness in their friendship is really

941
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 5: fun to watch. And I think Haley has, as you know,

942
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 5: was always drawn to that with Brooke, the not taking

943
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 5: things too seriously and the irreverence and sort of just hey,

944
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 5: life's messy, come on, let's be a mess. And Haley's like,

945
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 5: oh god, I don't know how to be a mess.

946
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 5: This is not natural for me. And with Peyton, I mean,

947
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 5: she's the woman, she's the girl, the girl and the

948
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 5: woman that her best friend growing up fell in love with,

949
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 5: and so she knows there's such a depth there and

950
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 5: you know, the literary prowess, the deep desire. I think

951
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 5: it's maybe a little harder for Brooke to have the

952
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 5: deep conversations because she's trying to hold up a facade

953
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 5: of so many things in a lot of ways. And

954
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 5: it feels like Peyton for some reason, although even though

955
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 5: I know she's been angry a lot in the course

956
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 5: of this show and hostile, it's also hostel is a

957
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 5: great word, but she cracks pretty easy. And I think

958
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 5: it's like, for some reason, her and Peyton have an

959
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 5: easy way of communicating, and it's like there's a safe

960
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 5: a safe zone. I'm talking too much, I'm taking up time.

961
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: Go.

962
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 5: I hope any of that made sense.

963
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course that made sense. I think for Peyton,

964
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: Haley is a muse, right, like having someone who's so

965
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: talented that can do all the things that you can't do,

966
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: Like Peyton can't play music, but she loves it. Peyton

967
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: can't get up in front of a group and saying,

968
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: but like, being a part of that world is her dream.

969
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: And so having a collaborator in Haley, having a person

970
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: that she can cheerlead for. Yeah, I love people talk

971
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 2: about cheerleaders. They're devalued within the school ecosystem because it's

972
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: you know whatever. There is no other club in any

973
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: school that is all about centering other people. Cheerleaders know

974
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: how to center other people, and so Peyton gets to

975
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 2: center Haley in a way.

976
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's a stoker. She's like a firestoker. I love that.

977
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: I think it's a fun I mean, she encourages Haley like, yeah,

978
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: go date Nathan, Yeah, go out on tour. Yeah, out

979
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: of retirement and do this album. Having someone that you

980
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: can believe in is an important thing. And then having

981
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: that person be a person of value and substance makes

982
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: it really safe to believe in them. You know, Haley's

983
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: never going to let Peyton down. And then I would

984
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 2: say for Brook that balance of frivolity but also earnestness,

985
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: there's a secret keeping sisterhood there where it's like, hey,

986
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 2: we've been the one whispering in a corner since we

987
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: were in second grade, you know, like you know that

988
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm a baby, but no one else can know that

989
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: I'm a baby. And Brook's ability to pull Peyton out

990
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: of dark places. I think that, you know, we joke

991
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: about it being a love story, but there is a

992
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: Yin and Yang there that works in relationships and friendships

993
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: and it's you know, you have to be with your

994
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: your match, your double.

995
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, well I and that's something that I really

996
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 6: identify with, like in terms of the character, you know,

997
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 6: and I think Brooke and Peyton, because of the years

998
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 6: of their friendship, have been that for each other.

999
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 3: There really is like a seesaw or a Yin and Yang.

1000
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: And it's really.

1001
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 6: Interesting because the length of all of our friendships have

1002
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 6: shown me that reflecting on these relationships on cameras shown

1003
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 6: me things where I'm like, god, they really did capture

1004
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 6: certain things, Like as much as our characters are our characters,

1005
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 6: they captured certain things about us as women really.

1006
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 5: Well yeah yeah.

1007
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 6: And I was catching up with my girlfriend from my

1008
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 6: job in Chicago and she was like, yeah, that's you.

1009
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 6: Like I was pregnant and moving and you came over

1010
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 6: every night after a sixteen hour day and unpacked my

1011
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 6: house for me until it was done. I was like, oh, yeah,

1012
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 6: I did that.

1013
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 3: I forgot yeah, and.

1014
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 6: I And there's something about that it encapsulates who we

1015
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 6: are in our lives and what we did on camera,

1016
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 6: like that Brook and Peyton could get each other through

1017
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 6: the loss of parents, whether it be a death or abandonment,

1018
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 6: and we could do it by you know, laughing and

1019
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 6: building igloos and bacon cookies, or you know, showing up

1020
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 6: just to lay and cry, to tell those secrets and

1021
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 6: to be able to do both. And what I think

1022
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 6: I've realized is that they were always you know, the

1023
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 6: yin and yang. They were tweeled the and tweedled them

1024
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 6: like they were the siblings for their whole lives, even

1025
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 6: though they weren't actually siblings. And what I've come to

1026
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 6: realize through watching the six seasons of the show so

1027
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 6: far is that Brooke and Haley find that almost like steps,

1028
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 6: like step siblings do, like your parents get married and

1029
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 6: suddenly you live with another teenager.

1030
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, because we were thrust together.

1031
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like Brook and Haley in the beginning are like,

1032
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 6: I don't have anything in common with you?

1033
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 5: Are we together right now?

1034
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 6: And then it's like, oh, wait, we actually have so

1035
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 6: much in common, so do it differently. But we want

1036
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 6: to help everyone. We want to put everybody first. We

1037
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 6: were searching for our identities and often like making sure

1038
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 6: everyone else has what they need.

1039
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're both really loyal too. By the way and like,

1040
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 5: didn't you know I just that made me think of

1041
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 5: that when you said that. Just now that Haley, her

1042
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 5: whole family is just dispersed, like who's there for her

1043
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 5: loyally except for Brook who's always showing up.

1044
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 6: And it's like there is a ferocious loyalty here. And

1045
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 6: I almost wonder if kind of like magnets, like at

1046
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 6: first they hit on the wrong sides and they like

1047
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 6: they go the other way, and then they're like, oh,

1048
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 6: we we fit together this way, and we actually fit

1049
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 6: really really well. Yeah, And and in a way, I

1050
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 6: feel like it's this, it's this like mirror mirrored energy

1051
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 6: of relationship.

1052
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 3: One is new and one is old.

1053
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 6: But really what we come back to is this like

1054
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 6: it's like it's a sisterhood. It's a it's a I

1055
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 6: can tell you anything, and I know I that you

1056
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 6: will take care of me, and I know you will

1057
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 6: also call me out when I need it, and I

1058
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 6: know you will understand my motivation when I fail, and

1059
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 6: you will cheer me on when I succeed, And like, yeah,

1060
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 6: there's something again. I think it's why we always come

1061
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 6: back to this phrase, is like it's why the three

1062
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 6: of us are doing this. It's it's the women. It's

1063
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 6: like our friendships really are the love story.

1064
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's really cool.

1065
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 3: It's cool to see.

1066
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: That's a good question, Tara.

1067
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 6: Sorry, but hopefully you enjoyed it.

1068
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 2: Spin in the wheel?

1069
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 5: What do we got? Let's spin this wheel?

1070
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: Most likely too.

1071
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 5: O lord leave their luggage on a plane?

1072
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 6: Oh boy, who is that scatterbrained?

1073
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: It would never be me, It would never be made.

1074
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: I could never But who could? Character? You? Would you

1075
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: leave luggage on a plane?

1076
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 5: A thousand percent? I could leave luggage on a plane?

1077
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Why? I am always daydreaming. I

1078
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 5: like it's lucky that I get off planes without with

1079
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 5: my electronics. Intact most of the time somewhere in Atlanta

1080
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 5: are my earbuds. But who knows?

1081
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: Oh boy?

1082
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right? Which character that.

1083
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 3: Feels like Rachel?

1084
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 6: That feels like Rachel and the Dan Scott era, you know,

1085
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 6: being like I have a jet, someone gets my luggage

1086
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 6: for me.

1087
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, I'll sign it. I'll go sign on that.

1088
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 5: It's good.

1089
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 3: I love it. Hey, what do we have next?

1090
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: Episode?

1091
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 6: Season six, Episode seven, Messing with the Kid? Oh, sounds

1092
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 6: like we're getting ready for we're getting ready to rumble.

1093
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 5: Okay, sounds fun. I can't wait more slamball. All right,

1094
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Speaker 5: we'll see you guys later. Bye. Hey, thanks for listening.

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