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Speaker 1: Nick Wright stops by. And one of the things I

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Speaker 1: like about this that we can be kind of unrestrained.

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Speaker 1: We can just there's no boundaries or borders to this.

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Speaker 1: We can just talk about whatever we like. So we've

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Speaker 1: broached this before. Where I tend to root for things

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Speaker 1: that make my show more interesting. I'm not rooting for

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Speaker 1: a specific team. I thought Nick's Celtics was better. Obviously

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Speaker 1: the end did if you watch their coverage. I just

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Speaker 1: think Indiana's a bad matchup New York's bigger Boulder. It

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Speaker 1: matters like the Yankees and the Dodgers meeting for a world.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson is a cooler story than Tyrese Haliburt, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, Even if they are, even if

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Speaker 2: Halliburton at his best, is you know, an equivalent player

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Speaker 2: to Brunson. I think Brunson's a tick better. The story

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Speaker 2: for the Knicks is better. It just is the Villanova kids,

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Speaker 2: It's all of it. It's a better story. And I

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Speaker 2: think even Pacer fans understood, Like, let me think of

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Speaker 2: a good example of this. I think when we were

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Speaker 2: on the prespice of Brady Mahomes in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: right then, I think even Bills fans understood, we're rooting

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Speaker 2: for our team, but Brady trying to take down the

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Speaker 2: guy who just won the Super bowls a better story,

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Speaker 2: right you know, when the Raptors were trying to beat

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Speaker 2: Lebron in the Conference finals and Lebron was trying to

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Speaker 2: get back to play the Warriors again, Raptor fans know

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Speaker 2: what they're rooting for, but they know what the better

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Speaker 2: story is, what the more brings in the cash, no

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Speaker 2: doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: But no, like when Michigan and the Connors Stallion story,

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Speaker 1: it was a better story that Michigan was now a

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Speaker 1: national villain and they just keep meeting everybody. It was

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Speaker 1: absolutely it was a much better story, and the ratings

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Speaker 1: proved that people were fascinated. It's also a better story

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Speaker 1: if the Celtics gag against the Pacers or lose to

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Speaker 1: either Dallas or Minnesota. Because one of the things we

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Speaker 1: like is the story arc. They're building, they're building, they're building,

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Speaker 1: they're crushed and I think I think Boston is going

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Speaker 1: six or seven. I think they're they're really They're very deep,

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Speaker 1: They're well built. If poor Zingis is healthy, They've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of elements. I think I would take both

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Speaker 1: Dallas and Minnesota against them. But you have been you

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Speaker 1: have been an antagonist to Boston. I haven't, but I've

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Speaker 1: been more critical of Jason Tatum. Do you feel the

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Speaker 1: ex I feel the exact same way on Tatum, but

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Speaker 1: I felt this two years ago that he didn't. He

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Speaker 1: when I watched him. I feel the same thing. Have

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Speaker 2: Getting well, no, So my antagonistic nature towards Boston is

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Speaker 2: there are thirty five year old sports fans who have

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Speaker 2: of as if they are the Lakers and they're not

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Speaker 2: like and again, and by the way, I'm not a

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Speaker 2: Lebron James fan. He's my favorite athlete. Ever, my hometown

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Speaker 2: I was, you know, I was obviously not some great athlete,

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Speaker 2: just decided when I went to college, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I've kind of followed him throut. So I don't have

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Speaker 2: some affinity to the Lakers, but the Lakers have been

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Speaker 2: has existed. Their down decade is the nineteen nineties, which

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Speaker 2: involved them coming off five titles in the eighties, getting

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Speaker 2: so this idea that they are competing with the bulls

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Speaker 2: and they don't like to hear that. And there's a

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Speaker 2: your friend Bill Simmons, you know, to this day and

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Speaker 2: to his credit for what he's built, and he's obviously

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Speaker 2: a huge Celtics guy. And so I just don't think

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Speaker 2: way they carry themselves. Now, a point Simmons made that

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Speaker 2: is correct is you look at this is Tatum. This

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Speaker 2: is the Celtics sixth conference finals in the last eight years.

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Speaker 2: The teams on that list, all of them won at

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Speaker 2: never going to have a more gilded road to the finals.

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Speaker 2: You face Jimmy, you face a Heat team without Jimmy Butler.

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Speaker 2: So you're going to make the finals. In the finals,

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Speaker 2: will we ever be better positioned? Is there any reason

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Speaker 2: make a significant change where you and I, I don't

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Speaker 2: Jason Tatum, they're not the same type of player at all.

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Speaker 2: But Jason Tatum, to me is like Clyde Drexler, like awesome,

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Speaker 2: that loses a championship, but if he is your number one,

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Speaker 2: things really have to be perfect to win the title.

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Speaker 2: And this year maybe they'll be perfect. But I will

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Speaker 2: pick whoever wins the West. I will pick to win

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I worry about Minnesota offensively. If Ant is off,

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Speaker 1: but the AAU job pays him better than his high

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Speaker 1: although he's not that kind of personality, is very much

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Speaker 1: he's earned it with his talent. Right, I'm not saying that,

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Speaker 1: I am, but my struggle you know, as they I've

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Speaker 1: used this before, Nick, I think I use this the

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Speaker 1: other day with you. Hard time create soft people. Soft

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Speaker 1: Tatum is symptomatic of what I see with a lot

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Speaker 2: know your feelings on AAU basketball are mirrored by a

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Speaker 2: elite of the elite Houston AU circuit. That the guys

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Speaker 2: Quinton Grimes, who used to be you know, was traded

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Speaker 2: I think that when I watch Tatum, what I see

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Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm going to fucking read and react

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Speaker 2: many I can. And I watch Tatum and I feel

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Speaker 2: at times it's too strategic program it's like exactly programmed.

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Speaker 2: And so it's like, and it's to his credit how

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Speaker 2: I think that that can work against him. I think

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Speaker 1: But Jaw's a flawed player. So Jah weighs one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy four pounds, that part's true. It's no, no, no, never.

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Speaker 1: I said from the beginning, this is not sustainable. He

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Speaker 1: is significantly thinner than Derrick Rose. So when you have

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Speaker 1: a mediocre jumper, a thin frame, no handcheck, can get

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Speaker 1: past anybody, you are going into the redwoods. And I

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Speaker 1: said a jaw, I said, I love watching him play.

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Speaker 1: He is spectacular. One hundred and seventy eight pounds in

435
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Speaker 1: this league is not sustainable. It is not It is

436
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Speaker 1: not a coincidence, and is ripped. Michael was wiry strong.

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Speaker 1: A majority of the great players, Durant's an outlier. Lebron

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Speaker 1: have been physically assertive and structurally formative, plant and formidable.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Durant is an absolute outlier. And this is something

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Speaker 2: that I forget. I think I said it, maybe to you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I forget I said it at some point. I

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Speaker 2: it is I can't get fully on board with any

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Speaker 2: NBA player that isn't already an A PLUS player if

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Speaker 2: they are not in great shape. I think it's why

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Speaker 2: I was so late on Jokic Luka. It feels like it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I give him a pass because I'm partial to him,

447
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Speaker 2: because I like him so much. But I'll give you

448
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Speaker 2: Austin Reeves, D'Angelo Russell, two guys. I will not believe

449
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Speaker 2: you care as much as you're supposed to. When your

450
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Speaker 2: arms look like that. I know that sounds shitty, but

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Speaker 2: you're not a baseball player. This is it. Absolutely it

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Speaker 2: speaks to me on how much you want it and

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Speaker 2: how much you care. I don't again, I don't need

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Speaker 2: you to be bulky, but there is. Like you said

455
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Speaker 2: about young Jordan was wiry, strong, and then as he

456
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Speaker 2: got older and lost a little athleticism, balked up a bit.

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Speaker 2: Kobe was always cut. Every every legendary player that you

458
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Speaker 2: can think of was had. Sometimes they had a layer

459
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Speaker 2: like Shack, a layer of fat over the muscle, but

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Speaker 2: were incredibly strong, except for Durant. And Durant has an

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Speaker 2: old quote about this that really was like a window

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Speaker 2: into how we views things, which he was somebody asked

463
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Speaker 2: him something about Lebron and he was like, yeah, He's like,

464
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Speaker 2: I mean, Lebron's working out and I'm working all my game.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't a shot. It was just an acknowledgement,

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Speaker 2: like Lebron is in the gym lifting weights and I'm

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Speaker 2: at the gym shooting jumpers. And I also looked at

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Speaker 2: it as yeah, but what you don't see is be cut.

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Speaker 2: That does mean Lebron will never catch you as a

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Speaker 2: jump shooter. Never, It'll never happen. But Lebron's going to

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Speaker 2: finish as scoring more and making more jumpers because of

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Speaker 2: his availability and longevity and all of it. Now again,

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Speaker 2: Durant is one of the greatest players ever and has

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Speaker 2: just kind of made it. You know it made it work.

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Speaker 2: But I your your point on joh is correct. Is

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Speaker 2: from a longevity perspective. The point I was making is

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Speaker 2: for however long that window was, he squandered a year

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Speaker 2: and a half of it for nonsense, you know what

479
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Speaker 2: I mean, for nothing when we were dying for because

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Speaker 2: the other this is another reason why. Because Steph, as

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Speaker 2: great as step is and step by the way, another guy,

482
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Speaker 2: Steph is ripped. Step is not big, But you can't

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Speaker 2: say STEP's not putting.

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Speaker 1: The work times was in maybe the best shape in

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Speaker 1: the league for a ten year period.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Like those guys that care they are ripped and

487
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Speaker 2: but as great as Steph was, there is a part

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Speaker 2: of watching NBA basketball where you want to see people flying.

489
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Speaker 2: You just do. It's like a cool part of it,

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Speaker 2: Like you just want to see someone that looks like

491
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Speaker 2: for a moment they're flying. And Steph being the face

492
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Speaker 2: of the league or co face along with bron is

493
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Speaker 2: never going to give you that.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: What he gives you is something different, reforms the gravity

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Speaker 2: on the court. But I think the viewing public miss,

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Speaker 2: you know, a thirst for that, which is why Aunt

498
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Speaker 2: has been so immediately embraced you. I mean, you saw

499
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Speaker 2: eight and a half million people watched the Nuggets Timberwolves

500
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Speaker 2: Round two game, like that is an un because people

501
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Speaker 2: are into him, They're into it.

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Speaker 1: You know. I was getting into this with Jason Timpa

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Speaker 1: the other day, is that the NBA will always be

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Speaker 1: fine because and I'll give an example, hockey has been

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Speaker 1: international forever, at least Canadian international, Baseball in the last

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Speaker 1: twenty years, increasingly international, NBA last ten to twelve, increasing

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Speaker 1: the international. So the NFL not only has the scarcity advantage,

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Speaker 1: but it has a domestic employeed advantage. Everybody comes from

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Washington, Oregon. You washed them in college.

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Speaker 1: It's a big advantage. But I said, when the NBA

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Speaker 1: is going to sign this massive contract Basketball and NBC,

512
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Speaker 1: according to all the reports, NBC is going to lose

513
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Speaker 1: billion dollars a year in it. I mean, it's just

514
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Speaker 1: not a good deal for NBC. But the difference in

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Speaker 1: the NBA haters has always been is that the NBA

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Speaker 1: has something. So let's just take the NFL and separate it.

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Speaker 1: And let's take hockey and separated. That's never going to

518
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Speaker 1: be too popular. Most of us don't play a don't

519
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Speaker 1: skate the NFL one game a week, we gamble, we bet.

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Speaker 1: Let's just do baseball and basketball, and those two camps

521
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Speaker 1: are often very separate. Baseball guy looks down at basketball.

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Speaker 1: Basketball guy thinks baseball is born. And something happened in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks that needs to be noted.

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball signed a deal with fing Roku for

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Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. That was the deal. The NBA is

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Speaker 1: going to sign multiple billion dollar partners. And here's the

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Speaker 1: advantage and why the NBA will always get its money

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Speaker 1: in the marketplace and baseball increasingly. ESPN's moving off at

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Speaker 1: Fox isn't in love with it like a lot of

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Speaker 1: NBC's not CBS bailed years ago. Is that in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: the star plays forty minutes and has the ball every possession.

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Speaker 1: I watched the Dodgers last night. I kept waiting for

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Speaker 1: the best players to bat if Otani's are and they've.

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Speaker 2: Got more great players than any team in the league.

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Speaker 1: If Otani's daching, Bryce Harper's dhing, I'll get five minutes

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Speaker 1: of them in a three hour, nine minute game. I

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Speaker 1: get in the NFL and basketball, the star always on

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Speaker 1: the floor, always taking shots, and that for all the

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Speaker 1: NBA critics. And there's nothing against base. But Glenn Jacobs

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Speaker 1: was at ESPN told me this year's ago. He goes, Colin,

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Speaker 1: you don't put a star in right field, at least

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Speaker 1: put him at first base. I want to see Bryce

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Speaker 1: s Parker's face.

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Speaker 2: All game.

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Speaker 1: Don't put him in right field. Just put that guy

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Speaker 1: who's not athletic or whatever at first base. Don't dh him,

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Speaker 1: don't do right field. And I'm sitting there watching the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers last night. They scored six runs in the third

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Speaker 1: inning when I turned it on, and I still felt like,

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Speaker 1: I just want to get to the stars. Can you

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Speaker 1: give me the stars. There's one hundred and sixty two

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Speaker 1: games I'm watching Minnesota Denver, and all I'm getting is

553
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Speaker 1: Yokis and Aunt and Murray and Jokic and ant and order.

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Speaker 1: And so I say this to all the NBA people.

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Speaker 1: It may not be a good deal for NBC or

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Speaker 1: ESPN or Amazon, but the NBA is always going to

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Speaker 1: get its money. It's a star drift. It's like international soccer.

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Speaker 1: You turn it on and if Rinaldo's playing, you know

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Speaker 1: where he is a pitch the whole.

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Speaker 2: The whole time, the whole time. So can I give you?

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Speaker 2: I so you this weekend, I was, as you know,

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Speaker 2: I was in LA and I played in this poker

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Speaker 2: tournament and that they put the table that I was

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Speaker 2: at on you like, they made it the feature table

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Speaker 2: for a couple hours, so we were miked up. People

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Speaker 2: could say our whole cards or whatever, and I was

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Speaker 2: just talking and I talked about one of my long

568
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Speaker 2: standing boxing ideas and but it was miked up and

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Speaker 2: on YouTube and it was something I haven't really talked

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Speaker 2: about much publicly, and people responded really well to it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, that's a few thousand people watching a

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Speaker 2: poker stream. So I'm gonna say it to you because

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Speaker 2: you love the UFC. I am more of a I'm

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Speaker 2: a theoretical boxing fan, meaning I love what boxing can be,

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Speaker 2: but not what it currently is. So my I believe

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Speaker 2: billion dollar idea and you know enough wealthy people, you

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Speaker 2: can maybe make this happen at some point. Does I

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Speaker 2: just want a small little piece because I think people

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Speaker 2: I think people love UFC for a lot of reasons,

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Speaker 2: but one of the reasons is the consistency of it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a card a month. There is that, we

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Speaker 2: know what is coming. There is you know, if you

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Speaker 2: are a champion, you have to fight, and you know

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Speaker 2: there's there's that. So if you got private equity or something,

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Speaker 2: somebody or a conglomerate to buy the top twenty boxers

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Speaker 2: in every weight class, buy them out of their deals.

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Speaker 2: You are all free agents. You don't have a deal

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Speaker 2: with Showtime. You don't have a deal with this. We're

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Speaker 2: buying you all out and we are creating the International

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Speaker 2: Boxing League. And here is how it works. There are

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Speaker 2: five weight classes. There are twenty fighters per weight class.

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Speaker 2: And if you will have a minor league to try

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Speaker 2: to get up there, whatever it is, you all get

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Speaker 2: a salary, call it a million bucks a year guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: But our best fighters whatever it can make one hundred

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Speaker 2: million in a year. Whatever it is. And here's how

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Speaker 2: it works. You are in this league. You fight three

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Speaker 2: times a year, every the January pay per view, the

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Speaker 2: middleweight titles on the line, the heavyweight five is boxing,

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Speaker 2: the six and the one of you, the number one

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Speaker 2: contender's boxing, the twelve whatever it is. We have standings,

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Speaker 2: and by the way, we don't have three judges because

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Speaker 2: we're not idiots. We have seven judges like figure skating,

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Speaker 2: and the best score and the worst score aren't going

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Speaker 2: to count to avoid corruption. And every single month there

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Speaker 2: is an event, a major event that you gotta buy,

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Speaker 2: and every week there are the other events to make

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Speaker 2: sure everyone's fighting. They're three or four fights a year,

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Speaker 2: and there are five weight classes and five champions and

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Speaker 2: everyone will know who it is. I think within five

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Speaker 2: years that could become one of the four biggest sports

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Speaker 2: in America because people love fighting for it is as

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Speaker 2: tail is old, as human beings existing. For something about people.

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Speaker 2: We want to watch two grown men hit each other,

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Speaker 2: we do. And if there was a real consistency and

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Speaker 2: continuity and to guarantee that the best people are going

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Speaker 2: to fight, I think boxing could make a huge comeback.

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Speaker 2: And all they have to do is crib off the

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Speaker 2: UFC's notes because there is an element of the UFC

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Speaker 2: that for some there's a barrier for entry to which

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Speaker 2: is I don't understand the grappling and the submissions. That's

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Speaker 2: just not as simple. Anybody can walk into a bar,

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Speaker 2: see a boxing match and know what's happening. That guy's

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Speaker 2: trying to knock that guy out, and I still think

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Speaker 2: it's there, and it's so frustrating to me that it's

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Speaker 2: been let to die on the vine because there is

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Speaker 2: still nothing, nothing that feels as big as a huge

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Speaker 2: boxing Oh yeah, there is nothing.

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Speaker 1: The volume. Thanks for listening to part one of the

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Speaker 1: conversation with Nick. Don't forget the check back for part two.

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