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Speaker 1: From how Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Halloween slashowspeg tacky. Hello. I'm Caroline and I'm Kristen.

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Speaker 1: I hope there's scooky music playing in the background. I

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Speaker 1: know there is in my head. So Happy Halloween everyone, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Happy Halloween. It's one of my favorite holidays, non holiday holidays. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's fantastic. It is such a beautiful time of year.

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Speaker 1: And on stuff Mom never told you, we like to

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Speaker 1: do special episode for Halloween. Last year we did it

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Speaker 1: on the whole sexy female costumes. And I'm just kind

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Speaker 1: of bracing myself already where we're growing this a couple

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Speaker 1: sexy David Bowie from Labyrinth. Who I mean, you don't

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Speaker 1: like a like a sock puppet, a giant a giant

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Speaker 1: person's eye, sock puppet like it. Well, today, Kristen, our

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Speaker 1: topic is women in slasher films and are they killed

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Speaker 1: more often? Because then because women always seem to be

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Speaker 1: to examine this because a lot of researchers when when

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Speaker 1: emerged in the slasher genre, which is a subset of

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Speaker 1: going to talk about, uh that. Critics and researchers have

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Speaker 1: one acts of extreme violence portrayed in graphic detail, two

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Speaker 1: three scenes of explicit violence juxtaposed with sexual erotic images. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then the question of whether or not, uh, those

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Speaker 1: a negative negative effect on us if we are during

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Speaker 1: of the people who argue that slasher films disproportionately single

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Speaker 1: of researchers have argued against these assumptions. In In Sex

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Speaker 1: Gray on Judging Amy. I've never seen Judging Amy. Oh

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Speaker 1: it was such a good show. I really I really

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Speaker 1: liked it. I really did. But she was also in

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Speaker 1: a polarizing figure. Buffy was far and away the number

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Speaker 1: one pick. And you guys also love some Veronica Mars.

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Speaker 1: not success. Yeah, I never, I haven't haven't watched it. Blossom, Yeah, Daria, Daria,

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Speaker 1: I I I also had her same attitude towards volleyball.

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Speaker 1: Bennis from Sun. I know, I can't believe that there

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Speaker 1: are so many. I could believe Clear on Modern Family

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Speaker 1: the crimped hairstyle for Boy Meets World Panga. Um Audrey

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Speaker 1: Sydney Bristow. That's alias right. There is a yeah, Clear

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Speaker 1: it's good to know that there are so many good

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Speaker 1: I love her and I got I carry her on

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Speaker 1: Southern accent fixed after the podcast, they can watch the Closer. Yeah, exactly. Um, well,

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