Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. I'm Katie Kuric, and I'm jumping back into
Speaker 1: my next question feed to share an urgent conversation I
Speaker 1: had with Dr Anthony Fauci about the latest COVID subvariant
Speaker 1: and this other infectious disease outbreak, monkey pox. With more
Speaker 1: than seventy thousand cases of monkey pox in nearly seventy countries,
Speaker 1: the World Health Organization has declared it a public health emergency.
Speaker 1: We're going to get some answers on the state of
Speaker 1: monkey pox, but we begin our conversation with Dr Fauci's
Speaker 1: recent experience with COVID and how he's feeling now. I
Speaker 1: was very fortunate in that, you know, I really had
Speaker 1: a minor about with COVID and thankfully, UM, I don't
Speaker 1: really appear to have any residual symptoms. You know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting when you're running a hundred miles an
Speaker 1: hour to determine whether it's fatigued that you would have anyway,
Speaker 1: or it's fatigue following infection. I'm chronically sleep the price symptoms,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. UM. I think it was like
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday evening, as I was getting ready to
Speaker 1: go to bed, I felt like a little scratchiness in
Speaker 1: my throat, and I thought it wasn't a sore throat
Speaker 1: by any means, And I thought maybe, as you know,
Speaker 1: with the heat and the air conditioner and the dry air,
Speaker 1: that it was causing some degree of scratchiness. But then
Speaker 1: when I woke up in the morning, it was a
Speaker 1: little bit more severe. So I thought I didn't feel
Speaker 1: sick Hettie at all. I just said, let let me
Speaker 1: take a test, and it took a test and it
Speaker 1: came out strongly positive. So I went on pack Slovid
Speaker 1: immediately and over the next eighteen now is I developed
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sniffle um. I didn't feel great,
Speaker 1: a bit mostly fatigued, which is very interesting. Fatigue is
Speaker 1: a very important part of this, right. I went on
Speaker 1: packs of it and and the symptoms disappeared, like within
Speaker 1: eighteen hours. Yeah, but I was one of the ones
Speaker 1: that had a bit of a rebound. I was going
Speaker 1: to say, so many people are having this rebound where
Speaker 1: the symptoms return, you test positive again after testing negative
Speaker 1: the event, So why is that happening so much? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know exactly why, but it may
Speaker 1: be that when you take packs livid early on which
Speaker 1: is the time you're supposed to take it, that you
Speaker 1: don't give the body enough of a chance to respond
Speaker 1: to the virus immunologically so that when you withdraw the
Speaker 1: drug the virus comes back. But the good news about it,
Speaker 1: and I think we really should and I hope, well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm talking to you about it too. Really,
Speaker 1: UM dissolve confusion about this is that the packs of
Speaker 1: it is doing exactly what you're asking it to do,
Speaker 1: asking it to prevent you progressing to severe disease leading
Speaker 1: to hospitalization. If you get UM laboratory test rebound for
Speaker 1: a day or two and the re symptoms returned almost invariably,
Speaker 1: it's very very mild, which means that the drug was
Speaker 1: successful in doing what it's supposed to do in a
Speaker 1: certain percentage of people. And we still don't know what
Speaker 1: percent that is. It really varies. You know, the general
Speaker 1: study show two and that other studies show maybe eight percent.
Speaker 1: But when you talk to people, it seems that many
Speaker 1: people who you speak to are getting this rebound. So
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what it is. But we should
Speaker 1: not let that be a reason not to take packs Livid,
Speaker 1: because packs Livid will keep you out of the hospital.
Speaker 1: Good point. But meanwhile, the latest drain b A five
Speaker 1: has per than to be not only more contagious, but
Speaker 1: hospitalizations are on the rise. So how concerned are you
Speaker 1: about this latest strain? Yeah, we have to be careful
Speaker 1: about that, Katie, because I think that's a volume quantitative reason.
Speaker 1: Let me explain. So, if you have a certain percentage
Speaker 1: of people yet hospitalized, the hospitalized to total case ratio
Speaker 1: that could still be very low. But when you get
Speaker 1: so many more cases because of the inherent increase in transmissibility,
Speaker 1: you will, purely by mathematical calculation, get more hospitalizations. So
Speaker 1: even though they're reporting a hundred and twenty to a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty thousand new cases per day, it is
Speaker 1: very likely, in fact, I'm certain that the actual number
Speaker 1: is much higher because us there are so many people
Speaker 1: who are home testing. They get a positive test, they
Speaker 1: either have minimal symptoms or no symptoms at all, but
Speaker 1: they don't report the test to anybody. So the hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty hundred and forty thousand might actually be three
Speaker 1: or four times that amount. So even though the hospitalizations
Speaker 1: are going up, which is not an acceptable thing. We
Speaker 1: don't want hospitalizations to go up, and we certainly don't
Speaker 1: want deaths to go up. But the thing that's concerning
Speaker 1: to me is that the deaths are still hanging around
Speaker 1: three to four hundred a day. And if you do
Speaker 1: the math on that, you know you're talking over a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand deaths per year, which is a very unacceptable
Speaker 1: number of deaths. So we've got to get that number
Speaker 1: very much lower than that. And you do that, like
Speaker 1: the common common sense public health measures. If you're not vaccinated,
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. If you are not up to date on
Speaker 1: your boosts, get boosted. If you're in a setting where
Speaker 1: you're concerned about whether or not you're infected, even though
Speaker 1: you don't have symptoms, tests are widely available and free.
Speaker 1: If you do get infected and a test is positive
Speaker 1: and you are in a risk category, go on packs
Speaker 1: a limit. If you're in an indoor congregate setting and
Speaker 1: you go to the computer and click on the CDC
Speaker 1: map and you see that the county that you're in
Speaker 1: is an orange or a red zone, then when you're
Speaker 1: in a congregate indoor setting, wear a mask. You know,
Speaker 1: when we're not talking about you know, the radioactive statements
Speaker 1: of mask mandates. We're talking about common sense recommendation that
Speaker 1: if there's a lot of infection dynamics, it's prudent when
Speaker 1: you're in an indoor congregate settings. Where on that are
Speaker 1: most of the hospitalizations involving unvaccinated individuals. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: look at the difference between what is the fold increase
Speaker 1: in in in hospitalizations and death among people who are
Speaker 1: completely unvaccinated versus people who are vaccinated but not up
Speaker 1: to date on boosts and people who have vaccinated and
Speaker 1: up to date on boots, the difference in hospitalization is
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly higher proportionately of people who are unvaccinated. Now, some
Speaker 1: vaccinated people who are at high risk either very elderly, frail,
Speaker 1: underlying immune compromise. Those people can, in fact and do
Speaker 1: go on to hospitalization and some of them die. But
Speaker 1: when you compare on a case by case basis, it's
Speaker 1: overwhelming evidence is that unvaccinated people are at a multi
Speaker 1: multi full risk more of a getting getting hospitalization and dying.
Speaker 1: A lot of my followers are asking, though Dr Fauci
Speaker 1: about additional boosters, and they're saying it doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be efficacious. Some of against some of these new strains.
Speaker 1: So what is the point. Well, that's a great question,
Speaker 1: and that's why we keep and and it's an understandable
Speaker 1: source of confusion. But look at the data. What are
Speaker 1: we asking the vaccines to do. We're asking predominantly that
Speaker 1: they prevent us from getting significantly ill, particularly needing to
Speaker 1: go to the hospitalization. Now we're getting people who are
Speaker 1: vaccinated and boosted who are getting infected, like me, like
Speaker 1: the President of the United States. But what the vaccine
Speaker 1: does is really very nicely prevent you from progressing to
Speaker 1: severe disease. Now, what we do need and just yesterday
Speaker 1: you may have heard, we had a vaccine summit at
Speaker 1: the White House which I talk about what the next
Speaker 1: generation of vaccines will look like and what we do
Speaker 1: need all vaccines for the future that will give you
Speaker 1: a greater breath and durability of infection, as well as
Speaker 1: a new form of vaccine that you could administer internasally,
Speaker 1: which will protect you more from getting infected as well
Speaker 1: as transmitting sort of a pan coronavirus vaccine. I know
Speaker 1: you talked about, but that sounds complicated and potentially very difficult.
Speaker 1: How realistic is that? And when do you think something
Speaker 1: like that might be available. Well, you know the holy
Speaker 1: grail of a truly pan corona navirus that means every
Speaker 1: type of coronavirus. As I mentioned in my lecture at
Speaker 1: the Vaccine Summit yesterday, you want to take incremental steps
Speaker 1: at a time and start off with a pan saws
Speaker 1: Kobe two vaccine that gets all of the different variants
Speaker 1: that we've already experienced, as well as any variant of
Speaker 1: that particular virus that we might experience in the future,
Speaker 1: like this fall or this winter. The next step is
Speaker 1: to get a pan sub eco virus, which is that
Speaker 1: group of coronaviruses that are clustered around the bad human interface,
Speaker 1: so that if we get another jumping of the species
Speaker 1: from an animal to a human, we'll be able to
Speaker 1: have a vaccine that protects. And then the ultimate holy
Speaker 1: grail is to get one that includes all coronavirus is
Speaker 1: including the common cold coronavirus. Now that's aspirational. The first
Speaker 1: step that I mentioned, I think realistically it's going to
Speaker 1: take a couple of years. Really, I think we'd love
Speaker 1: to have it five months from now. It's to get
Speaker 1: it proven to be safe and effective in a big study.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen in the next few months.
Speaker 1: So basically it has become what you said, sort of endemic,
Speaker 1: as something we pretty much just have to live with.
Speaker 1: And you know, by the way, Dr Fauci, people are
Speaker 1: getting this like two or three times. I mean, is
Speaker 1: there any limit to the number of times somebody can
Speaker 1: actually get this virus? Yeah? Most of the time, when
Speaker 1: you get repeated infection with the same or a similar
Speaker 1: related coronavirus, you have enough infection immunity built up that
Speaker 1: you may get infected, but it is unlikely, not impossible,
Speaker 1: but unlikely that you will progress to severe disease. If
Speaker 1: you look, Katie at the history of common cold coronavirus,
Speaker 1: is you and I throughout our lives every winter would
Speaker 1: get infected literally with the same virus we got infected
Speaker 1: two years ago or three years ago. I mean not
Speaker 1: so much now when you're an adult, but even as
Speaker 1: you're a child and you're building up community kids, well,
Speaker 1: I know you and I went through the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a period of time when my
Speaker 1: three daughters were growing up, I spent half my time
Speaker 1: blowing my nose. Uh. And that's just one of the
Speaker 1: things when kids bring home infections. But the encouraging news
Speaker 1: about that is that the subsequent infections of the same
Speaker 1: virus in almost invariably in medicine, you never say always,
Speaker 1: when you never say never, but almost in very able,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a less severe infection. So what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do is to get this virus to
Speaker 1: a low enough level in society that it doesn't dramatically
Speaker 1: perturb the social order. And by the social order, I
Speaker 1: mean the economy, going to school, going to work, you know,
Speaker 1: worrying and looking over your shoulder that you're gonna inadvertently
Speaker 1: infect a person who's you know, compromised, and you'll wind up,
Speaker 1: you know, having someone get ill because of your association
Speaker 1: with them. We're not at that level yet, Katie, because
Speaker 1: I mean, having you know, several hundred thousand infections a day,
Speaker 1: having three to four hundred deaths, having forty people in
Speaker 1: the hospital is not the endemic level that we should
Speaker 1: choose to say we're going to live with it. We've
Speaker 1: got to get it much lower, and there are things
Speaker 1: that we can do to get there. Unfortunately, given the
Speaker 1: fatigue that we have this country from two and a
Speaker 1: half years of this, everyone is tired of it. So
Speaker 1: it's very difficult. Super imposed upon an anti vax type
Speaker 1: feeling among some, super imposed upon the political divisiveness we
Speaker 1: have in this country, which you know, and and the
Speaker 1: social media misinformation and disinformation, it's very difficult to get
Speaker 1: people to adhere to common sense public health measures. After
Speaker 1: the break, how concerned should we all be about monkey pops?
Speaker 1: Right after this, let's move on, by the way, to
Speaker 1: monkey pops. I mean, as of right now at the
Speaker 1: end of July, four thousand cases documented here in the
Speaker 1: US effect men who have sex with other men. The
Speaker 1: virus was first discovered in So why are we seeing
Speaker 1: this now, Well, it's the issue. First of all. Monkey
Speaker 1: poks is a virus that is endemic in certain Central
Speaker 1: African and West African countries. It almost invariably goes from
Speaker 1: an animal jumps to a human and with some exceptions
Speaker 1: at least up to now, we're investigating if anything has
Speaker 1: changed recently. But in sub Saharan Africa, in Central Africa particularly,
Speaker 1: it usually when it gets into the human host, it
Speaker 1: is a dead end. It doesn't have a chain of
Speaker 1: transmission that is prolonged. What looks like it happened, and
Speaker 1: we have to make sure we nail this down epidemiologically.
Speaker 1: Is that associated with gay pride, galias and get togethers
Speaker 1: that it got inserted. The virus did into a population
Speaker 1: where the modality of spread, which is close skin to
Speaker 1: skin contact as you would have in an sexual encounter,
Speaker 1: not exclusively in the in the sexual encounter, but when
Speaker 1: you have multiple sexual partners where you don't know the
Speaker 1: status of that person. That is a very easy way
Speaker 1: for a virus to spread within a demographic group. So
Speaker 1: something happened and it was likely someone who was infected
Speaker 1: in an African setting got into a setting of a
Speaker 1: sexual network and then you wind up it now having
Speaker 1: very much predominantly in menos sex with men. Now, the
Speaker 1: the issue we face, that's a sensitive issue there is
Speaker 1: that we want to make sure that we need to do,
Speaker 1: you know, four pillars on this. We very unlike the
Speaker 1: way things were in the early years of HIV when
Speaker 1: we didn't know what the agent was, We didn't have
Speaker 1: a diagnostic, we didn't have a therapy, and we still
Speaker 1: in fact don't have a vaccine. We were like swimming
Speaker 1: in the dark. Right now, we have a vaccine, we
Speaker 1: have testing, and we have therapeutics and we've got to
Speaker 1: reach out into the community to alert both the community
Speaker 1: and the physicians and healthcare providers that take care of
Speaker 1: them that we have a problem now that's spreading. So
Speaker 1: since we have knowledge of the ideologic agent and we
Speaker 1: have interventions, the real challenge is to get in an
Speaker 1: expeditious manner those interventions to the people that need them.
Speaker 1: We started off with very few tests, six thousand a week.
Speaker 1: We now have eighty thousand a week. We know, we
Speaker 1: know we have a vaccine that works. We've got to
Speaker 1: get it, you know, from where it was stockpiled into
Speaker 1: the market. Yeah, and and get it distributed. And right
Speaker 1: now things are looking much much better. You know, we
Speaker 1: have three hundred and some a thousand already distributed. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have another four hundred thousand distributed very soon, and
Speaker 1: then we have another additional eight hundred thousand that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get out. We hope, and I
Speaker 1: think we will do that expeditiously. And we also got
Speaker 1: to cut down and we are doing that. The CDC
Speaker 1: and the FDA are doing that now. Cut down the
Speaker 1: paperwork and the logistics um hoops that you have to
Speaker 1: run through to a therapy into someone, right, because according
Speaker 1: to the CDC, people are expected to survive monkey pops.
Speaker 1: But but you've said you're worried about children and pregnant
Speaker 1: women in particular. Why is that Because historically, if you
Speaker 1: look at what monkey Pops has done in Africa and
Speaker 1: what monkey pox is capable of doing, the susceptible people
Speaker 1: are those who are immune compromised. Young children and pregnant
Speaker 1: women have a greater likelihood of getting a more severe
Speaker 1: outcome if they get infected. That's what I was referring to.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people wanted me to ask you,
Speaker 1: Dr Fauci, if monkey pox can be transmitted via airborne exposure,
Speaker 1: how likely is that? And while we're on the subject,
Speaker 1: if I am in the company of someone who was
Speaker 1: diagnosed with monkey pox, what are my next steps? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, you've got to make sure that there's
Speaker 1: no misunderstanding. On the one hand, balancing not panicking people
Speaker 1: and on the other hand, being realistic about what we know.
Speaker 1: So right now we are studying the CDC together with
Speaker 1: the nih IS the natural history of this virus. We
Speaker 1: generally know how it acts and acted in Southern Africa,
Speaker 1: but we want to make sure we understand that there's
Speaker 1: nothing different about this and thus far, thus far, it
Speaker 1: looks like virtually all of the epidemiological of detective work
Speaker 1: that has been done indicates that it requires close skin
Speaker 1: to skin contact with someone who has lesions of the
Speaker 1: monkey pocks. There's very little, if any, in fact, no
Speaker 1: data to indicate even though we keep an open mind
Speaker 1: that it is spread by any other way. We do
Speaker 1: know from experience with smallpox and monkey pox that it
Speaker 1: can be spread through contaminated clothing or or other fomites
Speaker 1: call it inanimate objects. So right now, if when you
Speaker 1: say if you get exposed to someone with it, I
Speaker 1: mean if you're a healthcare provider, you know that's the
Speaker 1: reason why we want to vaccinate the healthcare providers, because
Speaker 1: they are exposed to people who come into an emergency room.
Speaker 1: Where people who come into a situation. Should you want
Speaker 1: to isolate a person while they're shedding virus. But the
Speaker 1: thing we have to be careful of, and that's the
Speaker 1: reason why we want to get a lot of reaching
Speaker 1: out into the community, is that not everybody is fully aware.
Speaker 1: I mean, few have a very painful lesion that spread
Speaker 1: all over you. It's very clear that you have monkey pocks,
Speaker 1: but in some cases it may not be so clear.
Speaker 1: So you want to educate the community of what they
Speaker 1: need to look out for. But I would not want
Speaker 1: to say that people need to worry about being near somebody,
Speaker 1: because then you get stigma, and stigma is the enemy
Speaker 1: of public health. So we shouldn't be saying, well, now
Speaker 1: the entire population is at high risk. It's not. We're
Speaker 1: going to keep an eye on what we call the
Speaker 1: natural history and the evolution of this. This is mostly
Speaker 1: a CDC issue. The n i H will continue to
Speaker 1: do research with clinical trials to talk about vaccines and
Speaker 1: therapies and things like that, but it's going to be
Speaker 1: mostly trying to track the natural history of this, and
Speaker 1: the more we track of it, the more knowledge will have,
Speaker 1: and the more knowledge will have, the more concrete recommendations
Speaker 1: can be made. And of course we have to have
Speaker 1: a public health conversation without stigmatizing and ostracizing gay men,
Speaker 1: which of course happened during the AIDS. Academic, what are
Speaker 1: your biggest concerns about where this outbreak is going? Dr Fauci, Well,
Speaker 1: I think that really the concern is that you may
Speaker 1: have a situation where it becomes much more um aggressively
Speaker 1: spreading within the population at risk, as well as any
Speaker 1: spillover infections, namely from a person who is infect it
Speaker 1: who inadvertently would infect someone else, which is the reason
Speaker 1: why you've got to have an all hands on deck
Speaker 1: approach to alertness, reaching out into the community and making
Speaker 1: available testing, vaccination, and therapy. You just hope COVID fatigue
Speaker 1: won't prevent people from taking this seriously. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we've often heard and I've heard, oh my god, we've
Speaker 1: had COVID for two and a half years and now
Speaker 1: we have monkeypox. It's a reality. We've got to deal
Speaker 1: with it. We just have to deal with it, and
Speaker 1: and that's it. We can't wish it away. We've got
Speaker 1: to address it and deal with it. And that's the
Speaker 1: reason why, as I mentioned a moment ago, we've got
Speaker 1: to get the interventions to the people who need them
Speaker 1: in a very expeditious manner. And we've got to make
Speaker 1: sure that we don't stigmatize a segment of our population, because,
Speaker 1: as I've said, way back from the from the early
Speaker 1: years of HIV and now the enemy here is the
Speaker 1: virus that's all pulled together to fight the virus and
Speaker 1: not the pointing fingers or anything like that. Meanwhile, Rampaul
Speaker 1: has been such a thorn in your side. Dr Fauci
Speaker 1: asking questions about gaining a function research the Chinese lab
Speaker 1: and Wuhan threatening to launch a probe. What is your
Speaker 1: response to that, you know, I I don't really have
Speaker 1: any response to that, Katie. I mean a couple of
Speaker 1: papers have come out now in Science magazine from thirty
Speaker 1: investigators from twenty countries that have really shown a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of very clear scientific data about the
Speaker 1: evolution and the origin of this. So, you know, we
Speaker 1: always keep an open mind. But you know, you could
Speaker 1: continue to pursue and and and tweet conspiracy theories. But
Speaker 1: let's look at the science um with regard to what
Speaker 1: he's going to investigate. I mean, we're an open book.
Speaker 1: I'm we have been all along. So there's nothing that
Speaker 1: the scientific community in the United States has to hide
Speaker 1: at all, that's for sure. After the break, is Dr
Speaker 1: Fauci really retiring, We'll have some answers right after this.
Speaker 1: You've announced your stepping down at the end of President
Speaker 1: Biden's first term. Gosh, what a career you've had. Dr
Speaker 1: fauci in public service. When you think back at all
Speaker 1: the challenges you've faced and everything that you've accomplished, what
Speaker 1: are you proudest of? Right? Well, first of all, let
Speaker 1: me make a correction, Katie and you, being a journalist
Speaker 1: as it were, no this could happen Politico. Yes, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's a misperception, and I'll clarify it for you. Political
Speaker 1: asked me, I think it was George Stefanopolis a long
Speaker 1: time ago, and said, you know you you've been there
Speaker 1: this a long time. You know when do you think
Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll step down? And said, Jesus George, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just working very hard at it. Then
Speaker 1: someone asked me after that, because the idea of my
Speaker 1: stepping down came up. They said, if Donald Trump became
Speaker 1: president in January, would you serve under him? And I said,
Speaker 1: very honestly and innociently, whether Donald Trump or another Republican
Speaker 1: becomes president or Joe Biden gets a second term, I
Speaker 1: do not plan to be in this job by January.
Speaker 1: That headline was I'm staying at the job until January.
Speaker 1: That's not the case. I said, I will not be
Speaker 1: at the job on January, which means I will retire
Speaker 1: from federal service anyway between now and then, and I
Speaker 1: haven't made up my mind when that's gonna be. And
Speaker 1: one little footnote to that, what I jokingly but seriously
Speaker 1: object to is the word retired, because when I stepped
Speaker 1: down from federal service, I will continue to do in
Speaker 1: a different venue the things that you were asking me
Speaker 1: about in my career. What do I feel the proudest of, Well,
Speaker 1: certainly there are there are things that that I I
Speaker 1: naturally feel proud of. Is that my fifty four years
Speaker 1: at the n i H, my you know, curing earlier
Speaker 1: before AIDS diseases that we're rare, but we're quite deadly
Speaker 1: certain inflammatory diseases, establishing the AIDS program at the ni H,
Speaker 1: being an important part of the development of therapies that
Speaker 1: have saved millions of lives, Being the principal architect with
Speaker 1: the George W. Bush, our president then of the PEPFAR program,
Speaker 1: which is saved about twenty million lives, and having the
Speaker 1: honor and the privilege of serving seven presidents. So those
Speaker 1: are the things that I've done in the past, and
Speaker 1: some version of that I will very likely continue in
Speaker 1: a different venue when I leave the Federal service. What
Speaker 1: about being a professor at your beloved alma mater, Holy Cross.
Speaker 1: You know, anything is possible. I'm not thinking about that
Speaker 1: in any concrete terms right now, Katie, because I'm as
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not. I'm not fooling you. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: busy right now. Well, thank you, Dr Fauci for your
Speaker 1: time and constant presence and for dealing with all these
Speaker 1: crises with such equanimity and helping to reassure the American people.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. But I bet you've ever seen
Speaker 1: such politicization in your job as you have in this
Speaker 1: most recent round with the coronavirus. And it must cause
Speaker 1: you to shake your head. And it's very disturbing, Katie.
Speaker 1: And the reason it's disturbing because it really is one
Speaker 1: of the things that you least want to see when
Speaker 1: you're fighting a global pandemic. If ever there was a
Speaker 1: time for all of us to pull together, it's when
Speaker 1: you have a historically deadly pandemic that has killed a
Speaker 1: million Americans thus far, and we're having such misinformation and
Speaker 1: disinformation and conspiracy theories and outright untruths being circulated in
Speaker 1: the social media. That's terrible. That's terrible. We'll keep fighting
Speaker 1: the good fight. Dr Fauci, and thanks again for your
Speaker 1: time anytime, Katie, always get to be with you. Take care,
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