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Speaker 1: On today's episode, let's preview the twenty nine most fascinating

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and Tie, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: year old Dan Rubinstein, Sarah, Welcome, welcome back. How are

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Speaker 1: you at time of recording, I'm holding on to the

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Speaker 2: Of my thirties. People are looking at me mid to

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Speaker 2: late thirties, is that, Dan, and like, well, you're not wrong,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess it. Depending on when you're listening

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Speaker 2: feel great, Tye, I am. I feel good about it

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Speaker 2: as I expand in age, Here we go, Tye, Big

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Speaker 1: what are the overall fascinating things for you just from

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Speaker 1: by team, but overall, big picture, thirty thousand foot view,

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Speaker 1: I'm using all the corporate cliches. What are the fascinating

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Speaker 2: Is here there's either no power or no obvious power,

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Speaker 1: Brett Orbark has made no bones about the fact that

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Speaker 1: So there's that too. Let's add that Big twelve point

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Speaker 1: number three? Why not? Yeah? Why not? Where do we

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Speaker 1: want to start? Which team? To you? Stirs the Dan

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Speaker 2: You know what, I believe in respecting excellence. I believe

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Speaker 2: in respecting accomplishment. I think we start with Kansas State, Oh,

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Speaker 2: defending champs, defending champs. The champ is here, The champ

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Speaker 2: is here. K State won the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: Last year we did nine to three regular season, won

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Speaker 1: They enter this season in a really interesting place or

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Speaker 1: over runders eight and a half, which if you have

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Speaker 1: us in play grand total, I think eight and a

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Speaker 1: half is an interesting number for k State. This is

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Speaker 1: the season. That's okay, even starts because I love K State,

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Speaker 1: I love what they stand for. If you want to

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Speaker 1: go full truffle pig here, Dan, I will allow you

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Speaker 2: And next right in Kansas, start digging with that knowledge,

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Speaker 2: snout for valuable information, truffles ty because you know what,

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Speaker 2: they have fully weaponized the art of finding diamonds in

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Speaker 2: the rough. Sure, it is what Chris Clemban is all about.

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Speaker 2: He is building the whole plane out of building more

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Speaker 1: It's not going to work every year this year, maybe

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Speaker 2: So my question to you is, because you've you've gone

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Speaker 2: So it sounds like this is all aroundabout way that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is and more with less is a formula

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Speaker 1: Third, and I have two thirteen and two last season

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Speaker 2: Dan, Yeah, So the term I'm using is BF crunch,

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Speaker 2: That's difficult to replace, as is replacing an all time

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Speaker 2: So where does that leave TCU. Well, the defense really

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Speaker 1: Consistently one hundred and twenty eighth in the nation in

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Speaker 2: in the portal.

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Speaker 1: Me too, Me too.

431
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Speaker 2: I was surprised given their location, given obviously the proximity

432
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Speaker 2: to a ton of high school talent that goes elsewhere

433
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: and has the opportunity to come back home to the

434
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Speaker 2: DFW area. I don't know Chandler Morris won the job

435
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: last year. He was the preferred guy for Sunny Dike's,

436
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: so maybe there's something there. Obviously had the big game

437
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: against Baylor a couple of years ago, but that was

438
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 2: a little bit surprising that TCU was unable to sort

439
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: of leverage the momentum of a historic offense and run

440
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: last year into bringing on and I don't know who

441
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 2: that guy would be. Obviously, Hudson Card's name was associated

442
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: with TCU before he decided on Purdue, but that was

443
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Speaker 2: a little bit surprising to me, but given their run

444
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Speaker 2: last year, given that ceiling, I think they're allowed a

445
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Speaker 2: grace period. I think they're going to score points with

446
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Speaker 2: Kendall Briles. I just think it's going to be a

447
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: lot of back and forth this year. I think I

448
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to be able to rely on

449
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: the stewardship of Max Duggan in the same way with

450
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Speaker 2: Chandler Morris back there.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also not to be overlook, Chandler Morris is

452
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Speaker 1: a much different quarterback than Max doug And Max Duggan

453
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: would put his nose down and bull is way to

454
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Speaker 1: three yards. Chandler Morris isn't quite that. He's a lot smaller,

455
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: He's not that guy, and so it's gonna look different

456
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Speaker 1: at least from that standpoint as well for TCU. Doesn't

457
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Speaker 1: mean they can't win. And seven and a half is

458
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: a really interesting number. Schedules really backloaded for what it's worth.

459
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Speaker 1: So if it's gonna take a little bit to break

460
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Speaker 1: in some new talent, they'll at least be geared up

461
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: and ready to go second half of the season. But

462
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Speaker 1: it just feels like too much new to me. It

463
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that TCU is not gonna win nine games,

464
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: eight games. It just means that with all that new,

465
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Speaker 1: it's tough to envision a repeat effort. Here's the good news.

466
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Speaker 2: The schedule as I see it now is kind of

467
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Speaker 2: great bad just in terms of home road splits. Obviously,

468
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Speaker 2: they're gonna open up with what I believe Fox called

469
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Speaker 2: the most anticipated Week one matchup of the of recent times,

470
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Speaker 2: whatever that means, because they play against Colorado in Fort Worth,

471
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Speaker 2: I believe. But otherwise, you know, you have a rebuilding essentially,

472
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Speaker 2: a rebuilding Houston team on the road, a rebuilding Iowa

473
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: State offense on the road, a rebuilding as we talked

474
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Speaker 2: about Kansas State on the road. I think it's a

475
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Speaker 2: Thursday night game. It is a Thursday night game on

476
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Speaker 2: the road against Texas Tech. But getting Texas at home,

477
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: like PC just doesn't lose to Texas no matter who

478
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: the quarterback is, no matter who the coordinators, who the

479
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Speaker 2: coach is, they just don't. So there's that two pencil

480
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Speaker 2: and I just you know, it's easy to look in

481
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Speaker 2: you know, late July, but it could be worse, for sure,

482
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: could be worse.

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Speaker 1: The most anticipated Week one it was something like that.

484
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Speaker 1: I don't have the phrase in front of me. Fox

485
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Speaker 1: is paying like over a billion dollars for this. They

486
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Speaker 1: got to make it worth the trouble. Yeah. Absolutely, Where

487
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Speaker 1: do you want to go next?

488
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Speaker 2: Let's go Oklahoma. Let's go Oklahoma because it's been a

489
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Speaker 2: school that I mean, look, you're talking about Deon Sanders

490
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Speaker 2: and coach Prime in Colorado. I think Brent Venables was

491
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Speaker 2: just through some he threw shade at I think Deon

492
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: Sanders and also Mario Christabaal I want to say, yeah

493
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Speaker 2: in his time. So let's talk Oklahoma. They've been recruiting well,

494
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, six and six last year, lost the Bowl game

496
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Speaker 1: to Florida State, their first losing season. So they finished

497
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Speaker 1: six and seven overall, first losing seasons since all the

498
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Speaker 1: way back in nineteen ninety eight, which was not the

499
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Speaker 1: future that I think Oklahoma fans had envisioned when they

500
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Speaker 1: hired one of their own and bread Venables that was

501
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: kind of a black guy. Now, the over under this

502
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: season has died and a half. Obviously, Vegas is expecting

503
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: something of a bounce back, and it's not hard to

504
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Speaker 1: envision why. I can talk through a million reasons why,

505
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Speaker 1: but the most fascinating thing is the problem from last season,

506
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Speaker 1: specifically how long it takes Brenton Venables I think to

507
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Speaker 1: figure out the problem on defense and specifically to come

508
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Speaker 1: to my conclusion Dan, because I'm the only one who

509
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Speaker 1: knows why. The reason was that he wasn't running it.

510
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: It's very simple. This is why it was not good.

511
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: It was, to be clear, a universal failure on the

512
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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. So was it the scheme?

513
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: Was it the coaching? Was it the players themselves? The

514
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: numbers were bad. I mean I could sit here and

515
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: read off numbers if you want. They underperformed projections eight

516
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: out of thirteen games, and when they fell short, they

517
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: really fell short. Like six of those games were by

518
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: double digits in terms of again, the defensive projection blitzes

519
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: didn't get home. The tackle success rate was really bad,

520
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixteenth nationally. They were bad in the

521
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: red zone. They were one hundred and twenty fifth nationally

522
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: in percentage of passes where the opponent was deemed wide open.

523
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Speaker 1: If you want a deep cut, I like that. So

524
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Speaker 1: just a lot went wrong.

525
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Speaker 2: Well, one might argue that in Oklahoma defense being disappointing

526
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: and leaky is the most Oklahoma thing that Brent Vennable's

527
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: truly embodied what an Oklahoma head coach should bring to

528
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: the table. A disappointing defense, true, true to the brand exactly.

529
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Speaker 1: We had Eddie or Dasovich from Sooner Scoop on the

530
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Speaker 1: show months ago and we poked at this a little

531
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Speaker 1: bit and we said why why, you know, why didn't

532
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: this work? And he basically gave us the shrug emoji.

533
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: You know, Eddie, who's as in the know as anybody

534
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: with respect to Oklahoma football, he didn't know. You know,

535
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: it's there. Everybody's got a theory. Nobody really knows exactly why.

536
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: But what we do know is that the presumed best

537
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator in America getting the head job at your

538
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: school should not lead a defensive unit that is seventieth overall? Right,

539
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: Which is this that can't happen? My theory, as I

540
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: said from the mountaintop, and I will say until I'm

541
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Speaker 1: blue in the face, is that Brent Venables, in figuring

542
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: out on his own how to be a head coach,

543
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: gave way too much responsibility to Ted Roof. Well, sure,

544
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Ted Roof is a great guy. Everybody

545
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: seems to like him. He's never had trouble getting work. Okayah,

546
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: he's just not good at this anymore. Brings warm cookies

547
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: to his interviews. Yeah, he's not good at this anymore. Dan,

548
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: It's been fifteen years since Ted Roof was good at this.

549
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: He's not good at coaching defense any longer. My friends

550
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: and I still text about the leaky Roof years at

551
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: Penn State. Oklahoma fans, you can borrow that if you want.

552
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: It's fine. It's fine. That is my theory as to

553
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: where it went wrong. And I give Brent Bettaboles the

554
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: doubt benefit of the doubt because I think he will

555
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: figure it out. I think he's a sharp guy, obviously

556
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: knows a coach defense. But I think the longer we

557
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: go without him just sort of taking away that responsibility

558
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: from Ted Roof, the worse off Oklahoma will be. Maybe

559
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: that's already happened in the offseason. You know, he's kind

560
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: of played koy with what responsibilities are and aren't for

561
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: his staff, especially on defense. But that, to me, I

562
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: think has got to be the problem. Just get them

563
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: away from the defense man, get them away. Let brand

564
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Venables call it. We know he can do that he's

565
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: got that track record for what it's worth, nobody's really panicking,

566
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Speaker 1: and that I see that as a good sign. The

567
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Speaker 1: recruits aren't panicking, either out of high school or via

568
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: the transfer portal. Oklahoma had the number four high school

569
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Speaker 1: recruiting class. Eight of their top ten guys were defenders.

570
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Speaker 1: They also had the number nine transfer class with I

571
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: think six starters being pulled from other Power five rosters.

572
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Speaker 1: So guys still want to play for brand Venables. I

573
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: still want to play for this defense. One down year,

574
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Speaker 1: which to be fair, was like on the same footing

575
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Speaker 1: as where Lincoln Riley was before he left. It just

576
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: didn't live up to venables expectations. One year like that

577
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: isn't going to scare guys away, and so on paper,

578
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: they're talented and they're very deep, and I think Brent

579
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: Venables is going to figure it out pretty quickly that

580
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: it's not a talent problem, it's we need better guys

581
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Speaker 1: calling the plays. So that to me, that's the point

582
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: of for Oklahoma. I don't know if I played the ding,

583
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: but the ding is the problem itself. The problem was

584
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: unexpected last season. We didn't necessarily see it coming. I

585
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: don't think he handled it well, but I'm willing to

586
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: give him a free pass because he's Brent Venables. That

587
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: dude knows how to coach defense.

588
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is a roster of players who

589
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: were very rarely good at playing defense before Brent Venables arrived.

590
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: We're also disappointing on defense when Brent Venables arrived.

591
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: I believe that's accurate.

592
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're giving them the benefit of the doubt.

593
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure why did they go after a

594
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: bunch of dudes in the portal this year.

595
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: No, they're very aggressive in the portal, and.

596
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: Obviously they'll they'll try to get freshman in the rotation.

597
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, they are deeper and more talented

598
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: this year on defense. And so whenever your high school

599
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: recruiting class has that strong of an emphasis on the

600
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, there's no two ways about it.

601
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Speaker 1: Brent Venables looked the talent and he said, we need

602
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Speaker 1: to get better. We need to improve. Now. I don't

603
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: know right, you know, you'd have to ask him. He

604
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: sees in this new crop of guys coming in via

605
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: high school via the transfer portal, But that was clearly

606
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: an area of focus. If nothing more, he's going to

607
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: root out talent as the cause for any kind of

608
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: defensive lapses because they're really good. They're really good from

609
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: a talent standpoint on that side of the ball.

610
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Speaker 2: It did seem like they were taking steps forward like

611
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: two thirds of the way into the season, but then

612
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: they had what it was a shootout against Texas Tech

613
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: to finish out this season, so wasn't completely finished. So

614
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Speaker 2: I'm with you, I think it'll improve. I think the

615
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: recruiting they've always recruited well though, right like Lincoln Riley

616
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: and Bob Stoops brought in a lot of blue chip

617
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: type defensive talent and guys that were drafted from disappointing defenses.

618
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Speaker 2: So I guess it's whether it's Bread Venables, whether it's

619
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Speaker 2: Ted Roof, if somebody needs to put everything together and

620
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: figure things out and how to get the most out

621
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Speaker 2: of the players that they do have, Because you're right,

622
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Speaker 2: they should have a deep defense these next couple years

623
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Speaker 2: based on what they're doing.

624
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Speaker 1: The recruiting has been incredible, which actually brings me to

625
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Speaker 1: a second point. If I can make another point, please

626
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: point number eight here in the Big twelve. We're up

627
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: to eight already. Please. The second most fascinating thing to

628
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: keep an eye on at Oklahoma is their pool of

629
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: talent at quarterback and what I think it could mean

630
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: for their scheme in Jeff Levy. Last year, bear in mind,

631
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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel went down and it was Davis Bevel for

632
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: part of the TCU game and all the Texas game

633
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: where they got shut out forty nine zero. Yeah. This

634
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: year it's Jackson Arnold, who was I believe the number

635
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: two quarterback the previous class, waiting in the wings. I

636
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: think it changes the calculus a little bit. There're more

637
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: guys behind him, right. I think that changes the calculus

638
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: a little bit because last season, at least down the stretch,

639
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: I think they were afraid to use Dylan Gabriel for

640
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: what he's really good at.

641
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Speaker 2: He's a hell of a runner, yeah, or at least,

642
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, rolling out and buying himself time and improvising.

643
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Either they were afraid to call some of the

644
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: plays to put him in that position, or he was

645
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: tentative about doing it because he got hurt previously. But

646
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: I would like to see Dylan Gabriel on the move

647
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more because he's such a good runner,

648
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: they put him on the move. Maybe they're more inclined

649
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: to put him on the move now that they've got

650
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: better depth behind him, and I have to worry about

651
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: him getting hurt because they like what they have behind him.

652
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: I just think that's a possibility that in going through

653
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: the depth chart and what they did last season and

654
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: how it looked down the stretch when things really kind

655
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: of bottomed out, that to me, I think is an

656
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: intriguing possibility. So, you know, on the whole, my take

657
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: with Oklahoma. I take with Oklahoma is there's no reason

658
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: really to be that concerned about the offense. There was

659
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: a bit of a step back last season, but you know,

660
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and Caleb Williams and Mario like all these

661
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: guys left, so of course, of course there's going to

662
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: be something of a step back. They just weren't as talented,

663
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: but still they were tenth in the country. So they're fine.

664
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: They're good. They'll they'll be just as good again. The reality, though,

665
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: is that Oklahoma just wasn't good enough on offense alone

666
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: to roll, you know, through that schedule. This season, I

667
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: think they'll be good enough on offense to probably roll

668
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: eleven of the teams eleven of the defenses on their schedule.

669
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: It's a really good schedule and there are probably only

670
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: four or five opponents that scare me in terms of

671
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: being able to score on what Oklahoma has. I'm on

672
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: the over nine and a half here, and I feel

673
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: good about it. I think anything short of nine to

674
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: three with this team with this schedule is an abject failure.

675
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: How many good quarterbacks are on their schedule as you

676
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: see it, I guess, depending on what you think about

677
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: Preston Stone Stone Preston at the play SMU correct Oklahoma

678
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: does there may be two and that's a maybe. So

679
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: they have Jalen Daniels and quin Yours. Quin Yours was

680
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: a pretty awful second half quarterback, especially in the fourth quarter.

681
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels I think is full on really good. But

682
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: you look at the list of quarterbacks that an aspiring,

683
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: competent Oklahoma defense has to face.

684
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: Yet you have to broaden it. You can't just look

685
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: in terms of quarterbacks because the quarterback I know every

686
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: top of the Big twelve I think is pretty slim,

687
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: like the really top tier.

688
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying though, Like, yeah, we don't

689
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: know about Chandler Morris and they miss Will Howard, and

690
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: so it's a pretty good place to be. I guess

691
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: if you're an Alan Bowman believer, British comedy legend Alan Bowman.

692
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: But like I, it's a slapper's row. I don't know.

693
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful schedule, it's a beautiful it's good. Anything

694
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: short of nine and three is a failure. I'm with you.

695
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: I want to go to Texas. Now, let's stick within

696
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: the confines here at the Red River Shootout Dan. Texas

697
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Longhorns this season entering a very very interesting spot. Nine

698
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: point five is there over under? They went eight and

699
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: five a year ago. There were a couple problems that

700
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: held them back from a bigger season, which I'm sure

701
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: we can discuss a little bit. But what is the

702
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: most fascinating thing about the Texas Longhorns.

703
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: They are probably going to be a drum roll team again.

704
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: A drum roll is in, here's what you hear before

705
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: that high leverage moment, and what do you do when

706
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: the ball is snapped and it's fourth quarters, it's overtimes,

707
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 2: it's fourth down, it's second halves, it's things start going

708
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: wrong in the second half. Okay, they're coming back out,

709
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: they're trotting back on the field. What are they going

710
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: to do to correct things. It's a drum roll problem

711
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: for Texas last year. It's going to be a drum

712
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: roll question this year because it's not a talent thing.

713
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a coaching thing, because I think

714
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: there are good coaches on both sides of the ball.

715
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: It's not a depth thing. I don't think it's a

716
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: line play thing. It's not a speed thing. Look, they

717
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: had Bejon Robinson last year. He was incredible and for

718
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: whatever reason, I don't know if it was a red

719
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: zone thing as well. And so that to me, is

720
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: going to be the enormous question, the enormous spotlight, and

721
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: the enormous talking point if they're able to get their

722
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: act together in those moments this year. Because I don't

723
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: see a on their schedule after the Alabama game, I

724
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: think the Big twelve slate appears to be ideal in

725
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: terms of the home road splits and the teams that

726
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: they play. I think the defense is going to continue

727
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: to get better. We'll see where they are at corner.

728
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: I think they're good at the top, but a little

729
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: bit thin depth wise. They've got star power, it seems,

730
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: at both wide receiver and tight end. I think they'll

731
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: be fine at running back because they're running behind a

732
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: terrific line. If Quinn Eewers takes a step forward cut

733
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: off the mullet, maybe that's you know, streamlining his head,

734
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: both literally and figuratively, the reverse Samsonite. It's all just

735
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: what does Queen Youwers do on third and nine late

736
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: in the third quarter in a close game. It's all,

737
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: what does he do on third and goal from the

738
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: four yard line. It's that to me, is the thing

739
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: I saw stat I think it was from Bill Connolly

740
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: that they were horrendous at other teams converting fourth downs.

741
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: They were like eighty seventh nationally at being converted on

742
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: right when the defense was on the field on fourth down,

743
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: they say third die meant fourth down. And then after

744
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: Texas allowed a fourth down conversion, they almost always allowed

745
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: a touchdown like it mentally broke them to give up

746
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: a fourth down conversion. So that, to me is everything.

747
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: Once again, I'll go back to it. It's drum roll

748
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: because they should have disruptive players along the defensive line

749
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: and all over that defense. And look, I'm still a

750
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: little bit heartbroken that Oregon lost Kelvin Banks when Mario

751
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: Christobal left. He is I don't know, is he the

752
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: best left tackle in the sport? Quite possibly yea. And

753
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: so every building block is there for texts to win

754
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: ten or eleven games. It's just how many times are

755
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: we going to say over the course of the season.

756
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: If you're Texas, you just can't lose to blobbty blah,

757
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: not like that, not like that. So that's everything to me.

758
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's over simplifying things, but

759
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: when you recruit like Texas has consistently done, it's how

760
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: are you mentally during the game with so many perceived advantages?

761
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: And that's where we are. It's just a drum roll thing.

762
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: We're in year three under Sark. We're in year three

763
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: under Sark. He's had ample opportunity now to build this

764
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: thing in his image. And I think if you're comparing

765
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: position groups, the best lines offensive end, defensive in the conference.

766
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 1: Maybe not the best linebacking corps. I think Case State

767
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: probably has them beaten there, but they're not far off.

768
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: Probably the best secondary defensively, they're very, very sound, and

769
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: we know that they have amassed a lot of skill talent.

770
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Now losing Jon Robinson hurts, but quin yours I think

771
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: stans to take a step forward. Hopefully he stays healthy

772
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: this season. The receiver room, the tight end position, they're

773
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: loaded there, They're loaded. Yeah, it's all kind of in

774
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: position for Texas, and I don't think it's an easy

775
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: schedule by any stretch. They will have an ample opportunity

776
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: to showcase what they can do against better competition. But

777
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: this is why people are excited. We've gotten questions about

778
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: why are people excited about Texas this year? What is

779
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: different this year? The difference is that this has been

780
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: a slow build, responsible build to get to the point

781
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: where we're at now, and they have been built in

782
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: a very very solid way from the inside out.

783
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if Texas takes the field with Jatavian Sanders,

784
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: Jordan Whittington, Xavier Worthy, Ady Mitchell, whatever, if they have

785
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: packages featuring four or five of those guys at the

786
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: same time, how many Big twelve secondaries can match up?

787
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: How many Big twelve defenses have a pair of rush

788
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: ends that will confuse and bother Quinn? Youewers with the

789
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: line in front of Quinn yours to the point where

790
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't have time to let one of those guys

791
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: develop into a route. Everything is there for Texas to

792
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: just demolish teams week in and week out. But we

793
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: say that year in and year out, and so it's

794
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: going to be those moments, that's all. This is not

795
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: a novel way of looking at Texas, but I'm not

796
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: sure there's another way to say, you know, Texas needs

797
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: to prove it.

798
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: We took a look at the two contenders and two

799
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: non tenders, as I've clunkily referred to them non tenders. Yeah.

800
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: If you if I were to ask you, what is

801
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: everything that's not on the Cain's menu, you'd say non.

802
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: Tenders, non tender. Yeah. Let's take a look at the

803
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: four newcomers. Okay, the four newcomers to the conference. You

804
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: had SMME or SMU Houston and BYU, and I had

805
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and UCF. Of those two schools that you looked

806
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: at a little bit more closely, which do you feel

807
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: better about? And why better about? Yeah, Houston or BYU.

808
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: Houston, Because I have my concerns about each of those defenses.

809
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: But I'd rather enter a game with Donovan Smith than

810
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: Keiden Slovas interesting and Dana Holt the combination of Dana

811
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: Holgerson and Donovan Smith because even though what they lose

812
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: aut In mccaskell to Colorado in the spring, which was

813
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: kind of a surprise. He sat out last year injured,

814
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: But I like the at least the starting point. Houston's

815
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: got a great left tackle and Dana Holgerson has been

816
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: a major conference coach and so he has familiarity with,

817
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: you know, elevating a program to that level. And I

818
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: don't know that I don't love the Houston defense. They

819
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: took such a big step back last year. They's somewhat

820
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: active in the portal, which I like. And I'm just

821
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm more confident in Houston winning games forty five to

822
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: forty two than BYU, because I mean BYU returns a ton,

823
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: I believe, But you're talking about returning guys that were

824
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: crazy disappointing last year on defense. So I'll roll with Houston.

825
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: I think they're better positioned to fill up this roster

826
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: with interesting talent once again, maybe guys returning home to

827
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: East Texas, and we know that, you know, a couple

828
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: of years ago. I think it's Doug Belk is their

829
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. What they were able to do, especially upfront,

830
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: Sack Avenue tie, I believe Sack av Yeah, you wrote

831
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: a whole song about that in high school. But that's

832
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: another show. I would roll the dice on Houston before

833
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: BYU at this point, just because of the combination coach

834
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: and quarterback.

835
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: What is your point of fascination with BYU? Just out

836
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: of curiosity.

837
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: They fielded a pretty terrible defense last year. They lose

838
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: game changing dudes on offense. I think it's about Puka

839
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: Nakua and Gunner Romney at receiver. They have experienced at receiver,

840
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: but it's hard to see precisely where the star power

841
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: is coming from. Houston loses there, you know, and he

842
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: was their best receiver for two or three years in

843
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: Tank Dell. But I just you know, they're they're going

844
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: after guys in the portal that I think will be serviceable.

845
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: Stefan Johnson, a speedy dude from Oklahoma State steps in

846
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: at Houston that I just I want to see something

847
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: excellent from a team, and I just think Houston has

848
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: a better chance of finding that excellence if it's a receiver,

849
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: if it's you know, short yardage stuff. If it's getting

850
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: creative on defense, I'm just not there with BYU.

851
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not there at all with Houston. Oh I

852
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: think Houston's going to be bad. Yeah, I think. But

853
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: I think Houston's really bad on the lines. And that's

854
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: not to say that the Big twelves a line league,

855
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: the Big twelves in offensive league, a shootout league. Yeah,

856
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: but I just think they're going to be really overmatched. Oh.

857
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to be good. I have

858
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: it written down here on the caffeine theme of Dana Holgerson,

859
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: who loves Red Bulls. I have half and half, which

860
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: is coffee, because I don't I don't believe Houston is

861
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: going to put up much of a fight on defense

862
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: this year. But if you're saying, who is the feisty

863
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: team that you should beat, but at any point, like

864
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: wasn't it Houston a SMU who scored like one hundred

865
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: and fifty nine points last year in a game together

866
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: where it's just like any given week, Dana Holgerson sees

867
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: a wrinkle in somebody's d or sees like a nickel

868
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: who should not be playing in the Big twelve and

869
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: just torches him with a slot receiver going for two

870
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty one yards. I'll give that to Dana

871
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: Holgerson over Kalanie Sataki and Ketan Slovas.

872
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: I think both these schools are in for a rude

873
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: awakening as they enter the Big Twelve. And you know,

874
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: I think both are equipped to adjust quickly, but it's

875
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: just a speed bump. Oh.

876
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: I think Houston is much more equipped to adjust to

877
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve, given geography, given height of the program,

878
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: more often recently, given Dana Holgerson, I would say Houston

879
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: could be one of the biggest beneficiaries. I don't know

880
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: where their NIL situation is. I don't know if it's

881
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: just Tilman Fertitta still giving them someone for Tita, owner

882
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: of the Houston Rockets, who has been very involved in

883
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: Houston football for a while. I don't know how competitive

884
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: they are in the portal. I don't but if you're

885
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: talking about any of these programs entering the conference and

886
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: their new ceiling, I think it's a more pronounced jump

887
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: for Houston than UCF Cincinnati or BYU because of location,

888
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: because the conference is still essentially based in the state

889
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: of Texas. Given this year number of teams that will

890
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: still be located in the lone Star state. I think

891
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: Houston would be absolutely. I mean the proximity to SEC

892
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: transfers and A and M trans like. I just think

893
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: they they're the team that hypothetically has the most to

894
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: gain from from entering this conference.

895
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm pretty high on UCF and I've got I've got

896
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: two reasons. Okay, why two fascination points for me with

897
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: this team, by the way, nine to five. Last year,

898
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 1: lost the American Championship to Tulane, lost the Bowl game

899
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: to Duke. They're over under this year six and a half.

900
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: The first is your boy, John Rice Plumbly, It's Rice

901
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: not rece correct, correct, John Rice Plumbley. I'll throw the

902
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: alert out there right now. I don't have the sound.

903
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Actually I do. He help early due to alert here

904
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: in the previews. That hit me loud. Yeah. UCF's going

905
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: to build the whole plane out of them this year. Cold.

906
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting because the receiver room actually is in pretty

907
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: good shape, but that's just not the game they play

908
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: with them. Last season was I think a bit of

909
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: a tell of what we should expect. They had five

910
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: leading rushers who can bine for over three thousand yards

911
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: and thirty two touchdowns. This is a running team. They're

912
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: going to run Jarp like crazy this season. One hundred

913
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: and fifty nine attempts last year. I bet you he

914
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: ends up with boor this year. I don't know if

915
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: that's sustainable, but it is interesting and it is a

916
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: point of fascination going into a new conference. That's the

917
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: first thing. The second thing for me is I think

918
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: the simple fact that as we look at these four newcomers,

919
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: UCF is the best positioned right now to step in

920
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: and maybe throw some haymakers because I think they can score.

921
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: It might be the only thing they're throwing successfully. Well

922
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: maybe maybe, And that's a quality joke, Dan, I appreciate that,

923
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: but I think it's a question of defense. I think

924
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: they can score, but the question is how does the

925
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: defense hold against better competition. I do like the defense

926
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: because they bring back seven starters. They did a good

927
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: job filling in the gaps through the portal, and as

928
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: a whole, the team actually is pretty good depth. You know,

929
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: we talk often about group of five teams. Well, one

930
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: of the issues when they play against power five teams

931
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: is that they don't have the depth. UCF doesn't really

932
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: fit that bill. They've got good depth there. It's just

933
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: a lot harder now against this competition, and I think

934
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: it could take a while until the level of recruiting

935
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: catches up with where it needs to be in order

936
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: to be truly competitive. But I like where they're at,

937
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: and I think they're in a good position going into

938
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: the season. I would flirt with the over six and

939
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: a half. Flirt with it. I'm not a huge John

940
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: Rice Plumby believer, but I do think it at least

941
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: makes for interesting TV.

942
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that might be starting a left field

943
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: er at quarterback.

944
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: They are absolutely, I mean, the only reason he's here,

945
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: I mean I think he played baseball at Whole Miss. Well,

946
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: the only reason he's here, yeah, is because he wanted

947
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: to play quarterback one for the football team and Old

948
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: Miss wanted to move him and too, he also wanted

949
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: to play baseball and u CF allowed him to do both. Yeah.

950
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot of receivers on

951
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: Sunday mornings saying bro I was so open so often.

952
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: But that's not the game. The game, it's a gust

953
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: malson team. I understand the team. They want to run

954
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: the crap out of the ball. I know we're going

955
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: to do, but I think that caps you. It does

956
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: seel a little bit. So.

957
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, UCF is fascinating to me because they're on an

958
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: island in the UH, in the Big twelve sort of

959
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: big picture that if you're like a high three star

960
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: Floridian you're probably not going to UCF. I mean, you

961
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: want to stay home, but none of your games are

962
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: gonna be anywhere near Florida. It's sort of difficult for

963
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: your you know, yes, your family to go to Ames

964
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: or Lubbock or I don't know, it's Fort Worth, it's

965
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: nowhere near. So, uh, we'll see, we'll see. But I

966
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: would I would venture to guess that UCF is going

967
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: to be a good team in the Big twelve. They

968
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: will be near the top probably more often than not

969
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: two out of three years, three out of five years

970
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 2: or something like that. I just don't see them having

971
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: more pop than like a nine win season every so often.

972
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: Well that's I think pretty fair. Yeah, where we're going next?

973
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: Should we round it out with Cincinnati? I have Cincinnati

974
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: thoughts man.

975
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: Cincinnati is in a tough place as far as I

976
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: can tell.

977
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a triple whammy, and I'm not going to

978
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: play it three times. I'll play it once. Yeah, up

979
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: the sixteen now, by the way, in the Big twelve. Okay,

980
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: it's triple whammy. Look, Luke Fickle left and Cincinnati responded

981
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: by hiring Scott Saderfield. Sure, question Mark intended got Saderfield? Really?

982
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: You know how I said last episode, I'm fascinated by

983
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: things I don't understand. Running from the posse at Louisville. Yeah,

984
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand this. I don't. They basically did Louisville

985
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: a favor by hiring him away. Yeah, because I don't

986
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: think Louisville wanted him. It wasn't going well. The story

987
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 1: at Louisville was consistent inconsistency. So they hire him away,

988
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: and now Louisville gets the guy they really wanted all along.

989
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Bromp, go figure. Scott's Saderfield was very successful you

990
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, was past tense, very successful at Appstate, but

991
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: it just it never got going for one reason or

992
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: another at at Louisville. So now Cincinnati signed up for that,

993
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: don't I don't get it. It also comes at a

994
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: very interesting time because point two, since he is like

995
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: full control, alt delete with the roster. Almost everything is new.

996
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: They have full reboot quarterback, back, field, the line, the receiver.

997
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: Cincinnati lost their top eight receivers. I said that to

998
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: you last night. Yeah, their top eight receivers are all gone.

999
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: The defensive line, I guess, is in a good place,

1000
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: but everything else is really a huge question mark on defense,

1001
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: and on top of it all point three, the schedule

1002
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: got a lot harder because they're moving to a better conference.

1003
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: So I'm a hard sell on Cincinnati this season. I

1004
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: don't think they'll be good. I don't have faith in

1005
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: Scott Sadderfield at all. I don't think he makes them good.

1006
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: I am morbidly curious to see if he tries to

1007
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: make Emery Jones into his version of Malie Cunningham. That

1008
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: could be at least be interesting and fodder for the show.

1009
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that's coming and there's no avoiding it.

1010
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good move either. I'm just

1011
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: really in a downstate with Cincinnati right now. Like all

1012
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: the charges on your credit card bill hitting at the

1013
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: wrong time. That's where we're at with Cincinnati, the old

1014
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: triple whammy. I love this staff.

1015
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: I know people like Brian Brown a lot the defensive coordinator,

1016
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: and obviously Louis's defense took a nice step forward last year.

1017
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1018
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of the staff. I'm just not

1019
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: a fan big picture of like, well, this coach has

1020
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: been disappointing, let's hire him.

1021
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: That's not exactly my thing.

1022
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: But conversely, Cincinnati has traditionally been a place where good

1023
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: coaches win, so this should be I don't know, man,

1024
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: not this a referendum on Scott Saderfield. If Scott Saderfield

1025
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: is a good coach, not great coach. If he's a

1026
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: good coach, which it seemed like he was going to

1027
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: be an app state, he should win. Brian Kelly good

1028
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 2: coach when in Cincinnati, Luke Fikele good coach Cincinnati, Tommy

1029
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: Tubberville all around disappointing coach, didn't win at Cincinnati in

1030
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: the same way.

1031
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: So I'm I don't think he's a bad coach. I

1032
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: don't mean to imply that the guy's a bad coach.

1033
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think he's I think he's okay.

1034
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 1: But there was something at Louisville that I found really disturbing,

1035
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: and that was they had enough talent and they were

1036
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: good enough to be in most of these games. Yeah,

1037
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: and they were continuously shooting themselves in the foot. And

1038
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we're talking about guys who are

1039
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty two, in some cases older. Yeah, in

1040
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: the case of Alan Bowman, he might be twenty eight

1041
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: at this point. Don't know how you know Bowman is.

1042
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: But these are all young guys, and mistakes happen. But

1043
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: when they happen that consistently, it's coaching. It's coaching. The

1044
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: fact that he couldn't root that out, it's coaching. And

1045
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: that with a new roster in a stronger conference with

1046
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: a tougher schedule. I don't know. I don't like that

1047
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: at all.

1048
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: Here's the great news, though, if you remove Scott Sanderfield's

1049
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: reputation and you just talk about Cincinnati, a team that

1050
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 2: has should always have been a major conference team. They spend,

1051
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: they recruit, they do, they they behave, behave, behave. I

1052
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: guess that's thought you were going to say, behead, But that's.

1053
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: Better behead, behave.

1054
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: They they operate as a major conference team, and they

1055
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: have been operating as a major conference team, and they

1056
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: were in the College Footall play off.

1057
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: Two years ago.

1058
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: So the right coach, if it's Scott Siderfield, if it's

1059
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: not Scott, Scott Saderfield, can build a high, high, high

1060
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: quality roster that can beat ninety three percent ninety seven

1061
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: percent of college football teams. At Cincinnati, Luke Fickel might

1062
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: be a uniquely great coach at this point in his career,

1063
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: and he's not there anymore. But Cincinnati gives you that

1064
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: platform to win on a major level that I don't

1065
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: think a lot of the programs in the conference give

1066
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: their respective coaches. We've got a couple teams left here

1067
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: to discuss. We've got Texas Tech, We've got Baylor, We've

1068
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: got Oklahoma State, We've got Iowa State, and we've got Kansas.

1069
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 2: Why don't you knock out Texas Tech? Because Texas Tech

1070
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: fascinates me.

1071
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: I love Texas Tech. What fascinates you about Texas Tech?

1072
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: I think they have very specific visions for both side

1073
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: of the both sides of the ball, right. They know

1074
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: what they're doing with Zach Kittley on off, they have

1075
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: a quality quarterback and Tyler Shuck. They have we'll see

1076
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: on star power at the skill positions. I think the

1077
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: offensive line should be better this year. They're a bit

1078
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 2: by the injury bug. Last year they were super inconsistent

1079
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: last year. They need to hit on bigger plays. It

1080
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: can't just be the short stuff on offense. But the

1081
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: big deal to me is they're running a very specific

1082
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: system on offense and a very specific system with Tim

1083
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: de Rueter on defense. The defensive thing is, I think

1084
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: they have depth along the line, but it's like a

1085
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: star power thing. It's probably a star power thing on

1086
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. Like it's a Hall of

1087
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: pretty good? Isn't that the old joke about the Hall

1088
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: of Fame? Like how many games does pretty good win you?

1089
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: In the twenty twenty three Big twelve? You look at

1090
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: Texas Tech schedule could be nine? Right if Texas Tech

1091
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: is consistently pretty good, if they don't do anything fully terribly,

1092
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: whether it's play deep passes, whether it's run fits, whether

1093
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: it's you know, handling edge rushers, whatever. If everything is

1094
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: competent for Texas Tech, if it all comes together in

1095
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: a nice competent ooze, Morass and the Red Raiders can

1096
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: win eight or nine games. Isn't that a great word? Morass?

1097
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: I hope I used it right. That to me is

1098
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: the advantage that Texas Tech holds. It's quality coaching, it's

1099
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: what appears to be quality culture. Under Joey McGuire, they're

1100
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: active in the portal, they're decent recruiters, and I think

1101
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: that's sort of even though it's pretty early on in

1102
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: Joey McGuire's tenure, I think it's that sort of solid

1103
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: foundation that gives Texas Tech a leg up. They know

1104
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: they can beat teams that have more talent. Lubbock's a

1105
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: weird place to play, They've got an absolute home field advantage.

1106
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: I think they check a lot of boxes in a

1107
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: weird year and a weird transition year for the conference.

1108
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm up on Tech. I think they're

1109
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: going to do a lot of things at like a

1110
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: B plus level, And I don't know if a lot

1111
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: of teams can say that.

1112
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, if you're a Texas Tech season ticket holder, yeah,

1113
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: some really good home games. Get Oregon home, you get

1114
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: Houston at home, which is you know, in state game.

1115
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: Now at conference rivalry.

1116
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: Might as well be four states away, the difference geographically

1117
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: between Lubbock and Houston.

1118
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: But you're right yet, Kansas State you get a Thursday

1119
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: night game at home against TCU, and then you close

1120
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: things out the home schedule anyway against UCF. It's a

1121
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: pretty good slate of home games. Even the road games

1122
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: don't frighten me too much. To West Virginia to Baylor,

1123
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: to by to Wyoming to open up the year, Kansas

1124
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: will be probably a shootout close out the year against

1125
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: Texas on a Friday night, But I think it's very

1126
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: workable if you're Texas Tech. The other thing I would add,

1127
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: this is a pretty good offense last season. I don't

1128
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: know what it looks like this year with Tyler Schuck,

1129
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: provided he can stay healthy. But I like Zach Kittley.

1130
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he runs a very specific system.

1131
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: As you said, seems like there's a vision and even

1132
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: though the defense was lacking last season, Joey McGuire, his

1133
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: pedigree is as a defensive coach, that's sort of his

1134
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: mo and so I think given time, he can build

1135
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: this thing into a program that's very very interesting. Remember

1136
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: the conference is changing starting next year. The conference is

1137
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: changing in a big way. There's a land grab of

1138
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 1: sorts in the Big twelve, and I think Texas Tech

1139
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: under this guy Obviously he knows the state of Texas.

1140
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: That's why they hired him. There's a culture element here

1141
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: that we feel good about, kind of in a Kansas

1142
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: state way, right Like, it just feels like there's a

1143
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: lot of alignment there across the board, and that's really exciting,

1144
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: really exciting for the Red Raiders.

1145
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's look a lot of it's going to be

1146
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: preventing and generating bigger plays, which I think is totally

1147
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: doable considering where I think the roster is improving to

1148
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: this year overall, even again losing some star power on

1149
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. I just yeah, I'm in.

1150
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: You got to be in on somebody. I'm in on

1151
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 2: Texas Tech.

1152
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: Here's my question now about Texas Tech as we go

1153
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: to point number eighteen. Yeah, is Texas Tech in a

1154
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: better place than Baylor? Yeah? I think so in the

1155
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: moment or long term or both.

1156
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: Hard to say both because Baylor just won the conference

1157
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. Held on, but that was

1158
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: the game where it was Oklahoma Stake came up like

1159
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: four and a half inches short of winning the Big twelve.

1160
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: So I like Dave Rand a good deal, but I

1161
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: think there's less to like about the Baylor defense from

1162
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: a talent standpoint, right now, they're trying to correct. They're

1163
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: also trying to correct an offensive line. Not a Blake shape,

1164
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: and guy, I don't think much of the Baylor fan

1165
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: universe is a Blake shape. And guy, you have a

1166
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: promising running back in Richard Reese. Of course you might

1167
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: be the best running back in the conference, could absolutely

1168
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: be the best running back in the conference. But who

1169
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 2: is running behind? I like, it's Monterey Baldwin, Right, That's

1170
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: the extraordinary name that I'm thinking of because it is

1171
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: a great name. It's firepower on offense. It's figuring out

1172
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: what exactly they want to be on both sides of.

1173
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: The ball, Like, what are we going for here? Baylor?

1174
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: Like they bring back Matt Polige from Oregon who was

1175
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: hired to be a co defensive coordinator. Now he's back

1176
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: as the defensive coordinator. They make that change. I just

1177
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: when you look at the roster, when you look at

1178
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: recent results, it's hard to pin down an exact identity

1179
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 2: for me on what this Baylor team is trying to

1180
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: do and is trying to be. And so they were successful.

1181
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: We talked about this. I think it's when they played

1182
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: BYU last year. If I remember correct, Jeff Grinds bowl right,

1183
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: So Jeff Grinds the offensive coordinator really well regarded. But whatever,

1184
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: this is the opposite of explosive was last year it

1185
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: was what did we call this? It was Baylor playing

1186
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: in a phone booth? It was pickleball offense. If I

1187
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: remember my dumb phraseology correctly, it's is Baylor doing anything

1188
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: to get out of the pickleball mold this year? To

1189
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: stretch the field, to play with more creativity, with more speed,

1190
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: tempo whatever. That to me is the ongoing narrative of Baylor,

1191
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: because what are they doing? Well, they have a very

1192
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: good running back, but how are they making the most

1193
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: of him or the threat of him in the play

1194
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: action game with Blake Shape and going downfield? Because the

1195
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: Blake Shape in experience is watching a drive and saying,

1196
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 2: all right, this guy's getting comfortable, he's figuring it out,

1197
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: and then throwing in the next three drives of being

1198
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: mystified by what Blake shape and is trying to do.

1199
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: So I'm just sitting back and waiting to see what

1200
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: happens with Baylor because it's unclear to me at the moment.

1201
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, seven and a half is the Texas Tech over under.

1202
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't mention that seven for Baylor.

1203
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: So they're about neck and neck per vegas. The interest

1204
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: that I jotted down nature versus nurture for Baylor, welldging

1205
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: it again point number nineteen. Baylor is taking on some

1206
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: serious water along the lines.

1207
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the edge guys are back on defense,

1208
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: which is a great start, right, that can cover for

1209
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: a lot.

1210
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: But especially on the offensive line, they're taking it on

1211
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: some water. Yeah, I think, especially in the back seven.

1212
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: And I am heartened by the fact that I think

1213
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: this coaching staff has to know how to fix those things.

1214
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: I hope so right, I think I think they've got

1215
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: a track record for fixing those things. But and I

1216
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: like Dave Randa. You know, Dave Randa is a thoughtful guy.

1217
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: He got really innovative in year two to fix what

1218
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: was wrong. Then maybe he can do the same again here.

1219
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the vision thing is something that I

1220
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: came back to as well, frankly, like where are we

1221
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: going with this Baylor's schedule, by the way, and we

1222
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: mentioned this back in the schedule preview a couple months ago.

1223
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: If you want to go back and listen to that

1224
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: for road games, for road games and on the road

1225
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: just once before we gate, and okay, that's pretty good, right.

1226
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: They get both Utah and Texas at home in that stretch,

1227
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: which is nice. Their road games are UCF, Cincinnati, K State,

1228
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: and TCU on back to back weeks. But there's a

1229
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: little bit of a gump factor to the schedule Dan

1230
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: because they get both k State and TCU a week

1231
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: after each of those teams plays Texas. So really good

1232
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: home road splits if you're a Baylor fan, just something

1233
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: that you know. I don't know if that works their

1234
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: advantage or not, but figured i'd note that again quickly.

1235
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: Here more happy colachi's or sad colachi's for Baylor fans

1236
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: this year? I think sad, You think more sad. I

1237
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: don't know what the sadest colachi is. Maybe somebody from

1238
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: Central Texas can.

1239
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: We I'm not a Baylor believer.

1240
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: The vision of the image of somebody eating a sad

1241
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: colachi though, like I guess it would be like, is

1242
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: it a pastry. It's a flaky something filled with I

1243
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: guess cheese or fruit or meat or something like that.

1244
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: Sad colachi is a funny thing bouncing through.

1245
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: My head doing a round things out with Iowa State

1246
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: and then I can finish off with Oklahoma State and Kansas.

1247
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: Yes, there is very little reason to believe Iowa State

1248
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 2: season will appear to be terribly different, even though they

1249
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 2: make a change in offensive coordinator than where it was

1250
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 2: last year.

1251
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, Nathan Shielhouse. Yeah, get old. Nathan

1252
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: Shielhouse is the offensive coordinator.

1253
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: I think I remember him as a recruit that like

1254
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: Illinois friends were excited that was he from Saint Louis

1255
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: somewhere down there for Illinois as a quarterback, a one

1256
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: time quarterback. Is now he's thirty two. Oh my god, man,

1257
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: and it's Nathan Schielhouse junior. By the way, it's his

1258
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: kid who's the offensive coordinator. It's not, it's not so

1259
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: he steps in, so he's an internal hire. They part

1260
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 2: ways with Tom Manning, and I think I would say

1261
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: it's gonna have a good defense. They've got a lot

1262
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: to prove still on defense, but they still get you know,

1263
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 2: year in and year out. John Haycock feels fields really good defenses.

1264
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: He does. What I worry about though, with the defense

1265
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: is that it will still be good. I agree, it'll

1266
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: still be fine, but it's been a crutch. Yeah for

1267
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: the offense. I don't know if it's good enough to

1268
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: be a crutch in the way that it's been in

1269
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: the past.

1270
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: But they could win games thirteen ten instead of losing

1271
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: games thirteen ten, right the actual Like if you have

1272
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: macular degeneration and you can barely make out an Iowa

1273
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: State game on TV, it'll probably look really similar, probably

1274
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 2: just because I don't think Matt Campbell offenses are going

1275
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 2: to all of the sudden become super explosive and play quickly.

1276
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: I think they're still going to be there to serve

1277
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: the defense. The defense is still going to be very

1278
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: confusing for opposing quarterbacks, that sort of three to two

1279
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: six defense that Haycock pioneered. I think in the conference

1280
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: it's going to look the same. It's just a matter

1281
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: of again, maybe it's sort of that Texas drum roll moment.

1282
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: Please if in the red zone they don't fumble it

1283
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 2: and instead of fumbling it, they kick a successful field

1284
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 2: goal or something like that. So I think the universe

1285
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: can balance itself out and they can get back to

1286
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: seven or eight wins. But I don't expect things to

1287
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: look terribly different. I don't love under deckers. Maybe it's

1288
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: a move to JJ Cole at some point this year,

1289
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 2: but otherwise no more of the same.

1290
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: And I have no idea what that means.

1291
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: I really don't, And I hope for the sake of

1292
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: Iowa State fans that I'm wrong that it does look

1293
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: more modern and exciting under Nathan Steelhouse. And last year

1294
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: was a growing pains thing for a youngish offense. But otherwise, well, four.

1295
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: And eight last year, and they had a lot to replace. Yeah,

1296
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: had a lot to replace last season, not the least

1297
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: of which was Breise Hall, who was there do everything

1298
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: star running back who was drafted very highly into the NFL.

1299
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: The over under now is five and a half. You

1300
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: said seven or eight wins that I hear that. Well, look,

1301
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: if your starting point is a very very good defense,

1302
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: there's no conference where you won't win seven or eight games,

1303
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: right Wow?

1304
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, their offense was at times catastrophically bad last year,

1305
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 2: which does erase a lot. But they lost close games

1306
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 2: last year. I'm pulling up their schedule, so I don't

1307
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 2: know if they can win a few more moments they

1308
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 2: lose by seven to Baylor, they lose by three to Kansas,

1309
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 2: they lose by one to Kansas State, they lose by

1310
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 2: three to Texas. Now there's a reason you lose, right,

1311
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say like those bounced the other

1312
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 2: way last year and they're an impressive team. There's a

1313
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 2: reason they scored eleven points and nine points and all

1314
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 2: those things. So they absolutely were. You said a four

1315
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: win team last year, four and eight.

1316
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what four.

1317
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: Win teams do. They lose games. So I just think

1318
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: with the benefit of an offseason, and I am giving

1319
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: the benefit to a good head coach and a good

1320
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator and a change on offense, that they can

1321
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: do some things slightly better and win more games.

1322
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I forgot to mention West Virginia as well. Let's

1323
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: go to West Virginia. No disrelates to the Ears, Dan, No,

1324
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: it's too late, Ty. The most fascinating thing about West

1325
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: Virginia West Virginia, by the way, five and seven last year,

1326
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: they're four and a half over under. The most fascinating

1327
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: thing I think about the Mountaineers to see is that

1328
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: there is a switcheroo going on with the scheme this season.

1329
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: West Virginia returns twelve percent of his production at receiver

1330
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: and tight end. That's a very specific percentage. The top

1331
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: four wide receivers, their top two tight ends, the receiving

1332
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: coach are all gone. And now Graham Harrell is out. No,

1333
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: that's a good thing, obviously. This is a system under

1334
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: Graham Harrell that emphasized more air raid and it didn't

1335
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: work out, and I agree that it's a good thing

1336
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: that he has gone. They did land Devin Carter from

1337
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: NC State via Penn State, which should help in their

1338
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: receiver production, but they're really incredibly thin out wide and

1339
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback positions up in the air between Garrett Green

1340
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: and Nico Marshall. So I think what that means obviously

1341
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,480
Speaker 1: is no more air raid. And West Virginia is fascinating

1342
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: because they have a very specific way they will try

1343
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: to beat you, and that is to run the ever

1344
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: loving crap out of the football with CJ. Donaldson, who's

1345
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: very good. No, no, no, no, CJ.

1346
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: Donaldson is incredible. He's incredible, Thank you, incredible. And now

1347
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:08,839
Speaker 2: he's healthy hopefully, Yeah.

1348
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: Now he's healthy. Up to twenty three points by the way. Yeah, CJ.

1349
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: Donaldson is very good. And healthy. The receiver thing is

1350
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: kind of separate from the fact that the running back

1351
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: room is very, very solid, and the offensive line is

1352
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: one of the best in the conference. So if you're

1353
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: Neil Brown, you're gonna run the crap out of the ball.

1354
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a run heavy offense total contrast to

1355
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: what they did last season, which makes it interesting. I

1356
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 1: think on some level, I don't know if it'll be successful,

1357
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 1: but at least interesting. If they can keep the defense

1358
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: off the field by running the crap out of the football,

1359
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: that'd be a huge dub in my book. That'd be

1360
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: good because there are a ton of losses defensively, and

1361
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: I think they could be really bad, really bad. Yeah.

1362
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,879
Speaker 1: I mean, just look at these nine point one yards

1363
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: air yards per attempt last season, which was bad. They

1364
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: lost six times by double digits. Field position was really bad.

1365
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: They're bad at creating big plays, good at giving them up,

1366
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: like all the stuff that you would expect from a

1367
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: bad team. They kind of had that going on. I

1368
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: don't like West Virginia at all this season, and we

1369
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: talked about that at length, and we did the schedule

1370
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: preview and we did some interviews. A couple of months

1371
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: ago talking about what was preventing West Virginia from getting

1372
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: to that next level. I think the only reason they

1373
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: didn't fire their coach was because they didn't want to

1374
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: pay the buyout right either, which is not I mean,

1375
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: practically speaking, it's a lot more logical than what's going

1376
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: on around college football and other parts of the country.

1377
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: Right at least save the money while you can. But

1378
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: I think they if they had their brothers and if

1379
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much of a buyout situation, this guy

1380
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: would already be gone. And I feel bad saying that

1381
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: because we really liked Neil Brown when he came over

1382
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: from Troy. You and I were both convinced he was

1383
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: a stud higher. I just don't know how many offseasons

1384
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: we can go with this guy where it's the same

1385
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: line year after year. Well we got to make changes,

1386
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: Well we got to make change every year. Neil Brown

1387
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: got to make changes. And that's just getting a little

1388
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: long in the tooth man. At some point it's put

1389
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: up or shut up. And I think this is the year.

1390
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: I like. I like the rushing attack. I think it'll

1391
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: be interesting to follow. I know we'll be interested in it.

1392
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: Four and a half is the over under for a

1393
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: good reason. I don't know if it's gonna equate to

1394
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: a whole lot of dubs on the field, So run

1395
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: the crap out of the ball. Let's make the CJ.

1396
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: Donaldson show. I'm cool with that man, But in terms

1397
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: of wins and I don't know, I'm just out. I'm out. Yeah,

1398
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: I think it's I think the tooth bases out of

1399
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: the tube. Yeah, Kansas and Oklahoma State Dan, which one

1400
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: intrigues you more? Kansas, of course, Kansas, Kansas, Kansas was

1401
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: Kansas the story of the year last year.

1402
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially there was like a month stretch now where well,

1403
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: then Jalen Daniels gets hurt, but then there's no drop.

1404
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 2: Like they were super fun last year and they were

1405
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: a pretty major threat most of the weeks of the season.

1406
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, earned their first AP rankings since two thousand and nine,

1407
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: and went to a bowl game for the first time

1408
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: since two thousand and eight. Think about that for a second.

1409
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight, four coaches came and went without

1410
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: going to a bowl game. Turner Gill, Charlie Weiss, Les Miles,

1411
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: and David Beatty in no particular order. None of those

1412
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,520
Speaker 1: guys went to a bowl game. So it was momentous

1413
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: to get to the Bowl. It was momentous just to

1414
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: host game day for the first time, which was freaking cool. Yeah.

1415
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: So to go from a laughing stock to a bowl

1416
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Yeah.

1417
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: Well, now there are this would be my narrative headline.

1418
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 2: There are expectations of Kansas and there have never been

1419
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 2: expectations well in the modern era since you know, seven

1420
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: oh eight, and so that's that's new.

1421
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: That's that's very new. And I was drawing a parallel

1422
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: in my head when I went through this preview to

1423
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: what we just talked about with Jedfish at Arizona, because

1424
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: Jedfish's first, like prime directive was to make the offense better,

1425
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: make it Arizona fun. And he did that. They were,

1426
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: They were very good offensively. Last year. They stunk on defense,

1427
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: just like Kansas. Kansas might have been worse now, but

1428
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: Lance Leipold now knows that this is how he's going

1429
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: to have to move this thing forward. He has to

1430
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: get the defense humming at a at a at a

1431
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: better frequency. Let's say, I don't know if he will

1432
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: do that, and we can talk about that. But the

1433
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: most fascinating thing for me about Kansas point twenty five,

1434
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: they're the best TV show in the Big twelve. Uh. Yeah,

1435
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: they're the best TV show because the offense was genuinely good.

1436
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: It was a top ten offense last season, and ten

1437
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: starters are back, including Jalen Daniels, who I think, as case,

1438
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback in the conference. You can make

1439
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: that case not difficult. Devin Neil is back after a

1440
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: thousand yard season, and there are reinforcements behind him at

1441
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: running back. All the top targets are back this year.

1442
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about how TCU created big plays

1443
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: last season. That was exactly the deal for Kansas last

1444
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: season on the ground and through the air. I'm confident

1445
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: that they're going to bomb teams with this offense, especially

1446
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 1: in a league where defense is in such short supply.

1447
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: So as far as that goes, they're gonna be fun

1448
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: as hell to watch. The caveat though, is the defense,

1449
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: you know? I mean, if you're talking in terms of holistically,

1450
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: can they hit their over under of six? We got

1451
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: to talk about the defense. The entire back seven is back.

1452
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a good thing. It's a

1453
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: good thing, big question. Yeah, it's a good Yeah. The

1454
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: big question mark there, right, Kobe Bryant is back. Co

1455
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: b Ee Bryant, okay, is back one of the best

1456
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,839
Speaker 1: defensive backs in the in the conference.

1457
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 2: So the Cincinnati Kobe Bryant was he cob Y I

1458
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: believe so yeah, Okay, I'm very I believe so very

1459
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 2: important work here. But Kansas has basically outsourced its defensive

1460
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: line this year to private core tractors.

1461
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's a bad thing. I

1462
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: don't know if they can piece it together in time.

1463
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 1: But they're bringing in guys from the Mountain West and

1464
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: cast offs from the SEC, and I have faith that

1465
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: Lance Leipold will make them better. I just don't want

1466
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: to get too far out over my skis here better

1467
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: like that.

1468
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: I like your illusion that like Kansas brought in Deloitte

1469
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 2: to figure out.

1470
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: They kind of did, like they just went out and

1471
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: brought guys in. If they're airbnbing this thing, okay and

1472
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: better in this case, could still be very bad. M

1473
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: But I have a lot of faith in lancelie Pole.

1474
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 1: I have a lot of faith in him that I

1475
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: think the offense will still be very, very good. I

1476
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: don't know about the defense it's wait and see that

1477
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: uncertainty to me means a hell of a TV show.

1478
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 1: So I can't be objective about this team. I'll throw

1479
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: this out there. My take is I can't be objective

1480
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: because I want them to do well. I really like

1481
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: Lance Ipold and so I'm actually going to bite on

1482
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: the over in my entry for granted that, I'm going

1483
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: to bite on the over over six.

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Speaker 2: If we're talking about combination head coach and quarterback, it's

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01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 2: a good place to start, right Yeah. That A lot

1486
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 2: of the coaches that are back with promising quarterbacks, like

1487
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: the combination of Steve Sarkisian and Quinn Yours was not

1488
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: as good as Lance I Poled and Jaylen Daniels last year.

1489
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: So it's a really nice place to start at if

1490
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 2: you're Kansas. And even though there are expectations, it's still

1491
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: like you go to a bowl game right now, consecutive

1492
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: years it's pretty unbelievable. It's a long ways away from

1493
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 2: ESPN lingering on a shot of somebody knitting the upper

1494
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: rows in Lawrence.

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01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: So great, I know, I think we're up to like

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01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five, say twenty five. That's great.

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01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: Close things out with Oklahoma State. Okay, so Oklahoma State

1498
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: seven and five. Last year they lost the lost their

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01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: bowl game to Wisconsin. They're over under this year is

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01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: six and a half. There is some important context that

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01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: I want to I want to set the groundwork for

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01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: a moment if I can, because we have been talking

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01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: about this Oklahoma State narrative for the entire offseason, really

1504
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: like a season and a half. Now at this point

1505
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: where it just feels like things are coming off the

1506
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: swivel a little bit, I wanted to explain why I

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01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: feel that way. Okay, I feel that way because, in

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01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: a nutshell, what has happened is since Jim Knowles, my guy,

1509
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 1: Jim Knowles, you know, I love them. Of course, since

1510
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: he left, the defense has kind of bottomed out. And

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01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: that wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world in

1512
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve or for Oklahoma State if not for

1513
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: the fact that the bedrock of the whole Mike Gundhy project,

1514
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: his ethos is offense, an offense has gotten away from

1515
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: him over the last couple of seasons. Really, it has

1516
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: not been the same since Mike yoursitch left. So, you know,

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01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: with that being said, that the recruiting effort I think

1518
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: has been underwhelming. There have been a lot of guys

1519
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: transferring out. Yeah, that's where I'm coming from on Oklahoma State.

1520
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 1: Does any of that sound amiss to you? Am I

1521
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: being too heavy handed? No?

1522
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: In that assessment, all that sounds right that there will

1523
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 2: be moments of excellence that are getting farther and farther

1524
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: away in the rearview mirror, even two years ago with

1525
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: your guy Jim Knowles, like that seemed to be erased

1526
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: pretty quickly last year with Derek Mason. And so that's

1527
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: the disappointing thing with Oklahoma State that not only do

1528
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 2: things change, but they change really quickly.

1529
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: They change and look to the point on the defense,

1530
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 1: the defense dropped fifty three spots in the sp plus

1531
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: they gave up a ton of big plays, so many

1532
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: on the ground it was kind of embarrassing. Offensively, they

1533
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: didn't have any complimentary ground game, so a lot of

1534
01:20:58,120 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 1: it was on They had a good running back too,

1535
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: but they put way too much on Spencer Sanders or

1536
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: whoever was playing quarterback in the moment, and just a

1537
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: lot that felt a miss. So what happens in the

1538
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: off season, What happens in the off season is my

1539
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: first point of intrigue. You know the name Brian Nardo.

1540
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if I do Brian Nardo mean anything

1541
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: to you? Na rd o No. Mike Gundy is again

1542
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: doing the thing where he tries to harvest a small

1543
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,919
Speaker 1: Oh yes, a small school assistant from rural Pennsylvania. Okay,

1544
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: Mike yoursitch worked when he pulled him from Shippensburg. Brian

1545
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: Nardo is the next now because Derek Mason retires, he

1546
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: needs a new defensive coordinator. Mike Gundy goes to Gannon College.

1547
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 1: Talk to me about Gannon College ty Eerie, Pennsylvania enrollment

1548
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: of forty six hundred. Okay, Brian Nardo runs a three

1549
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: three five. It's been compared a little bit to what

1550
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 1: they do at Iowa State. He's been very successful, albeit

1551
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 1: at a much much different level of college football. I

1552
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: think Gundhy likes that he's young and innovative. Let's be real,

1553
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: he's going to need to be extremely innovative because it

1554
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: was bad defense last year and all the good guys left.

1555
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: Everybody's gone not totally bare, right. They've got Kendall Daniels,

1556
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: who's a safety Freshman of the Year in the Conference

1557
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 1: last year. It's not horrible horrible, right, But year one

1558
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:40,480
Speaker 1: Brian Nardo bolting this thing together, new scheme with transfers

1559
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: from other small schools and jucos, and I don't think

1560
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: that's enough to contain what's coming at him in the

1561
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: Big twelve. I admire the hustle here. I admire the

1562
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: out of the box nature of the hire. Shout out Erie,

1563
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: shout out Dannt you like going to erie? You spent

1564
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the earpa, Okay, no, no,

1565
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: but I it reeks a little bit of innovative for

1566
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: the sake of innovative, or off the grid for the

1567
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: sake of off the grid. Somebody's got a coach this

1568
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,480
Speaker 1: defense right now. I don't hate look, I don't hate it.

1569
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: It's just it's a big step up. It's a big

1570
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:21,480
Speaker 1: step up, especially when you're bolting it together with transfers

1571
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: and whatnot. The second most fascinating thing to me is

1572
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 1: the return of British comedy legend Alan Bowman. Baby. Well,

1573
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: of course, of course he's back. You're gonna need a

1574
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: sound for this guy. I don't think he's got eligibility

1575
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 1: beyond this year. You're gonna need a sound for this. Okay,

1576
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: think on that a little bit. I will. It's your six.

1577
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: Bear in mind, this guy came in with the class

1578
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen. He's bounced around, dealt with injuries. He

1579
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: was at Texas Tech for a couple of years, went

1580
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: to Michigan. Now he is. He is here. Do not

1581
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: expect him to bounce around. I'm like Spencer Sanders Dan,

1582
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it, ear Muffett if you want to.

1583
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 1: He's too old for that ship, which is not his

1584
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 1: gad now what he does. He's a pocket guy. I

1585
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: don't know what to make of the receiver room. There's

1586
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: a lot of transfers there. It reminds me a little

1587
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: bit of like two years ago when we were waiting

1588
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: and waiting and waiting for the receivers to develop, and

1589
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: then they did and it was it was good. I

1590
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: don't know if this will ever be good. I don't

1591
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: know if Alan Bowman can stay healthy. Also, there are

1592
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: some of the receivers have left Oklahoma. Yeah they left.

1593
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, there's a mass exodus here. Yeah.

1594
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: So I don't know what to make of the receiver room.

1595
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: The backfield could be interesting. Olie Gordon Jayden Nixon is

1596
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: really quick. Elijah Collins remember him from Michigan State. He

1597
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: transferred down the line in front of them. All should

1598
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: be okay, and the schedule's really good. So there's sort

1599
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: of like a I don't know, a push pull going

1600
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: on there inside my head whether or not I'm into

1601
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State.

1602
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 2: It just doesn't have the trappings of a team that

1603
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: is righting the ship right that there's so much new

1604
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: in so many places where it all feels haphazard and

1605
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 2: thrown together.

1606
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Who's their guy, I mean, who's their

1607
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: gravitational guy on the team? I don't know. You're in

1608
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: charge of Oklahoma State. Yeah, I don't. I'm asking because

1609
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean again, I like Kendall Daniels,

1610
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: yeah at safety, I mean Freshman of the Year. And

1611
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 1: the star power. Yeah, for a reason. But star power

1612
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: and problem problem, I think is you like to refer

1613
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: to it. I do. That's that's my issue. My issue

1614
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: in a broader sense with Oklahoma State, beyond kind of

1615
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: the star power is you can't talk confidently about the

1616
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 1: Pokes this year or beyond frankly, without a major qualifier,

1617
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 1: without qualifying everything with if you know, if Alan Bowman

1618
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: stays healthy, or if the receiver room develops and there's

1619
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: a star there, if Brian Nardo, the guy from Eerie,

1620
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: can cobble together a defense with a bunch of recruits. Right,

1621
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: Mike Gundy has been such an interesting character in this

1622
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: football story now for a long time, and I know

1623
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 1: he's not for everybody. We've got him in our intro

1624
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: for good reasons. Got one of the greatest quosts of

1625
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: all time. But even if everything pops and Oklahoma State

1626
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: hits the over and goes for eight or nine wins

1627
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: this year, which is not off the table, even if

1628
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,600
Speaker 1: all that happens, I don't know if the infrastructure is

1629
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: there to sustain it beyond this year. You know, we're

1630
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna be doing this. We're gonna be doing this thing

1631
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: where we jump from flame to flame every year and

1632
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: trying to plug the gaps with transfers. And I don't

1633
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: know if I have faith that they can do it.

1634
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't.

1635
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm out, Okay, same, I'm out. So how many is that?

1636
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 2: How many dings? Twenty six, seven, twenty seven? I love

1637
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 2: that the twenty seven most fascinating things about the Big

1638
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 2: twelve Dan do you.

1639
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: Have a prediction? Should we make that twenty eight and

1640
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: twenty nine for both of us? Sure? So in the

1641
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: conference championship game? Yeah, what's your prediction? Championship game? And

1642
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: then Conference champion.

1643
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 2: Texas over Oklahoma in a rematch like we had in

1644
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. And I will absolutely be wrong. But in

1645
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 2: the rare chance, in the very small, minischool chance that

1646
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm right, I will replay this clip.

1647
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: I've got Texas over Oklahoma as well. Wow. Yeah, definitely

1648
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: not going to happen now we jink's the whole damn thing. Yeah,

1649
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: it's great. I think it's a two horse race, though

1650
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: I do.

1651
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: We say these things every year, and every year we

1652
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 2: are incorrect.

1653
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: The twenty nine most fascinating things about the twenty twenty

1654
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: three Big twelve. Go back and listen. Tell your friends

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Speaker 1: Grand Total pick the over unders for every Power five team. Daniel,

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01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: did I get it right? You did? You nailed it

1663
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Ruberstein,

1664
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,160
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1665
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Speaker 1: for listening, for supporting us here in the preseason. We'll

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01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: be back next week with two more conferences. Stay tuned

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