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Speaker 1: Oh what a Wednesday show. We have Christmas around the corner.

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Speaker 1: What an exciting time. NFL games tomorrow one hour from now.

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Speaker 1: slate of NFL games. So good to be here. So

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Speaker 1: they name the Pro Bowl teams yesterday, and I want

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Speaker 1: to start with that. Once or twice a year, maybe

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Speaker 1: two or three times. I'll speak to a high school

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Speaker 1: or I'll speak to a college. And kids always ask

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Speaker 1: for advice in broadcasting, and my advice is, don't get

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Speaker 1: your head down. There's no one way to succeed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates dropped out of college. Is that

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Speaker 1: great advice for young Texters? I don't know it was

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Speaker 1: for them. There is no one way to succeed. Just

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Speaker 1: be relentless and don't get discouraged. And I look at

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Speaker 1: the six Pro Bowl quarterbacks and I feel just the

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Speaker 1: same way would have been easy for Matt Stafford to

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Speaker 1: get discouraged. Let's look at all six. Start with the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, beat up for years in Detroit, couldn't win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game, absolutely elite arm talent, and finally meets

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Speaker 1: his match, perfect match, Sean McVay. Then there's Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 1: not an elite arm talent, not even the great athlete,

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Speaker 1: great coach. Stafford got one. I'm not sure DA's ever

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Speaker 1: had a great coach. He's had good coaches, but Dak's EQ,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's IQ, overcoming injuries and the meddling owner, pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Then there's Sam Darnold, Reclamation Project, second Pro Bowl, second

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Speaker 1: team in two years, Wildly athletic, big strong man, is

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Speaker 1: he aggressive? He throws some ugly picks? All three different stories.

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Speaker 1: AFC Josh Allen out of Wyoming, couldn't get a scholarship

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Speaker 1: dad sending tapes out. Goes to the Bills, a sad

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Speaker 1: franchise who needed a megastar, and he leans into all

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Speaker 1: his power. Then there's Justin Herbert. Did he make the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl because of his production?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: He made it. What he's overcoming worst offensive line according

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Speaker 1: he's overcome, his toughness, been hit more than any quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the league. And then Drake May. Is he one

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Speaker 1: he's way better than he should be, and he keeps

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Speaker 1: Six different quarterbacks, all of them different skills. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Drake May and Justin Herbert are kind of similar, different conferences,

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Speaker 1: had to overcome an atrocious O line, several bad coaches

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Speaker 1: before Jim Harbaugh, Josh Allen's got a defensive coach, Matt

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Speaker 1: Stafford's got a brilliant offensive coach. It's like, whenever I

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Speaker 1: people in the world. Elon Musk made it narrow Space,

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Speaker 1: what does matter is not getting discouraged. I mean, Justin

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Speaker 1: Very easy to say, I don't feel great. I'm going

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Speaker 1: for all these guys, here's the one thing they have

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Speaker 1: Some have defensive coaches and I have offensive coaches. One guy,

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Speaker 1: Darnold's on his fifth team, Matt Stafford is almost forty,

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Speaker 1: and Drake May's twenty three. They're all over the map.

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Speaker 1: So here's my advice. Keep plugging away, don't get discouraged.

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Speaker 1: Now there's one quarterback you're not seeing here, and the

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams Among Pro Bowl snubs, no timeout, timeout timeout

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Speaker 1: so that's a snub. But if you look at Caleb's numbers,

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Speaker 1: things is fourth quarter comebacks and amazing individual plays. Wow plays.

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Speaker 1: So his movie's been okay, but man, there's been some

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Speaker 1: great scenes in it. So Caleb Season is a little

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Speaker 1: bit like m Night Shyamalan movies. For a big chunk

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Speaker 1: What a great movie. You didn't get snubbed. Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: But again, Caleb Yester. I think the best part about

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Speaker 5: You know, told that I'm not a special player, told

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Speaker 5: My goal isn't to just get to the playoffs. My

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Speaker 1: You can hear you can hear it. He got a

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Speaker 1: I see it as his story. His movie this year

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Speaker 1: I will say this, sports fans, over the course of

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Speaker 1: I mean, Caleb's kind of giving you that sly smile, going, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was told it wasn't gonna work here.

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Speaker 1: He didn't blast anybody, He just kind of put it

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Speaker 1: These guys are not only schooled in football, they're schooled

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Speaker 1: at the podium, at the Cowherd school of podium. Put

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Speaker 1: I thought Caleb, he did a little smile saying, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, easy to smile when you're ridding high and recovering

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Speaker 6: I had the Bears last week. But you gotta be real,

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Speaker 6: it's easy when you're eleven and four. Let's see what

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Speaker 1: How that there was a little adversity early in the season.

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Speaker 1: I mean there were some operational things they had to

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Speaker 1: that's good stuff, all right, Greg Cosell fifty minutes from now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, anyway, just listening to the Paul and Tony Fusco

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Speaker 1: Yee, Greg Cosel forty six years NFL films. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about somebody that's not hyper athletic. Philip Rivers, and

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Speaker 3: The guy hasn't played in five years. He looks exactly

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Speaker 8: Know, if you want to reduce quarterback into its simplest terms,

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Speaker 8: I mean it just some guys just see it, feel it,

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Speaker 8: Much a choreographed offense, you know, I was watching that

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Speaker 8: You had Rivers who's a pre snap master of the position.

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Speaker 8: So it's two different styles of quarterbacking and they both

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Speaker 1: Okay, Caleb Williams did it again?

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Speaker 8: Well, you can always improve the mental part of the game.

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Speaker 8: And we're not in the building as they're coaching him

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Speaker 8: But that's typical he's only a second year player and

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Speaker 1: By the way, you were defending him early when he

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence, you and I I loved him.

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Speaker 1: Does feel like Liam Cohen has unlocked something. What does

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Speaker 8: By the way, I'm used to yeah whatever. I got

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Speaker 8: Now Again, I didn't know how nick A min Wari

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Speaker 8: that it's being coached really, really well. And that's what

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Speaker 8: you see when you watch this defense. And of course

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Speaker 8: they do have really good players. Byron Murphy's come on

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Speaker 8: in his second year. Lennard Williams is a multi positional

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Speaker 8: d lineman, Ernest Jones is a really good linebacker, So

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Speaker 8: you know they are really good. I would say that

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Speaker 8: their defense stands out to me more than their offense.

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Speaker 8: I'm not surprised by their passing game. I think they

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Speaker 8: want their run game to be more than it is.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Eagles Bills is a headline game. I want

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Speaker 1: to really concentrate on the Eagles over the last two games.

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Speaker 1: Sakuon Barkley. Last week it looked like last year. Have

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Speaker 1: they tweaked anything or is it bad competition?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think last week, in particular, their old line

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Speaker 8: played very well.

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Speaker 3: It was the first game where I thought.

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Speaker 8: Their old line really moved people the way they did

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Speaker 8: a year ago. And because of that, I thought Barkley

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Speaker 8: was the most decisive that he's been all season consistently.

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Speaker 3: You know, not just with one run here and there,

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Speaker 8: I thought he felt far more comfortable with what he'sad saw.

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Speaker 8: I thought his patience, his vision, and then the short

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Speaker 8: area burst was there. I mean, people may be surprised

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Speaker 8: that over the last three games Barkley has the most

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Speaker 8: carries in the NFL and the most ten plus yard runs.

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Speaker 8: That would probably surprise a lot of people. And I

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Speaker 8: think what they're doing on offense, and I think they'll

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Speaker 8: continue doing this, and I think it makes sense against

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Speaker 8: Buffalo for sure, is a lot more no huddle and

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Speaker 8: a lot more empty.

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Speaker 3: Sets, which really clears up the picture.

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Speaker 8: And the reason I think it's a good thing to

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Speaker 8: do against Buffalo is because Sean McDermott is one of

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Speaker 8: the best in the league in terms of late coverage rotation,

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Speaker 8: changing the picture pre snap to post snap, and when

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Speaker 8: you go no huddle and empty it's harder to do that.

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Speaker 3: Defensively.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anything you see with Buffalo in this matchup with Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: anything their offense is doing that's different.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they're going to run the ball obviously. They

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Speaker 8: look we don't have to guess this, Colin. They told

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Speaker 8: you by the fact that they had Keon Coleman and

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Speaker 8: Gabe Davis as healthy scratches last week.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to guess this.

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Speaker 8: They're telling you they're really not comfortable with their wide

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Speaker 8: receiver position. They're clearly a tight end based passing game.

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Speaker 8: I think if they can avoid as good as Josh

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Speaker 8: Allen is, and we know he's great, that's not my

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Speaker 8: point at all, but as great as he is, I

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Speaker 8: think they feel that the best way for them to

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Speaker 8: play on offense is to be able to run the

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Speaker 8: ball with sustainability and consistency. That they just don't have

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Speaker 8: enough on the perimeter to really have him drop back

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Speaker 8: forty times a game and unlus the game demands it,

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Speaker 8: which of course we've seen games that demand it, and

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Speaker 8: he's been great because he's Josh Allen. But I don't

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Speaker 8: think that's the way they want to play by choice.

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Speaker 1: So Texans Chargers. I'm an understood USC homer, but I

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Speaker 1: remember talking to people in the league and saying, I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you Woody Marks is special, and when he doesn't play,

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Speaker 1: the Texans offense dries up really fast. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about their defense. Yeah, against they play the Chargers

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Speaker 1: this week, and the Chargers all line, Yeah, I look

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Speaker 1: at that and I think Okay, we got to get

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Speaker 1: a cape for Herbert because there's a bad matchup. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what you see with the

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Speaker 1: Texans in the face the Chargers the matchup.

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Speaker 8: Look, and you and I both know that Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 8: and Greg Rowman and that staff know that that's a mismatch.

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Speaker 3: They know that.

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Speaker 8: Now, that doesn't mean that every play they can control it,

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Speaker 8: because there are some plays where you know, what, Will

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Speaker 8: Anderson's going to beat somebody, or Daniel Hunter is going

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Speaker 8: to beat somebody, or even inside where they have very

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Speaker 8: good d tackles. But the Chargers staff knows that they're overmatched.

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Speaker 8: So I'm very curious to see how they go about

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Speaker 8: dealing with that because it's obvious everybody knows they're overmatched.

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Speaker 8: But Herbert has been playing at a really high level.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they've got four really good receivers. Okay, I

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Speaker 8: mean Trey Harris, the rookie from Ole Miss has really

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Speaker 8: come on. He plays meaningful snaps. They will play big people, they.

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Speaker 3: Will get physical go you know.

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Speaker 8: So they're a team that can can attack you in

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Speaker 8: multiple ways on offense. Now, whether their old line is

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Speaker 8: an issue in the game and prevents them from running

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Speaker 8: what they want to run.

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Speaker 3: That remains to be seen.

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Speaker 8: But they are a pretty diverse offense with a lot

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Speaker 8: of good players other than their O line, and you know,

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Speaker 8: so it's hard to know, quite frankly, how that's going

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Speaker 8: to play out in this game.

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Speaker 1: It does justin Herbert have a weakness.

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Speaker 3: I don't really think he does.

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Speaker 8: I mean, look, I think if you talk to people

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Speaker 8: in the league, they would tell you that he's one

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Speaker 8: of those guys you know, I mean the guys I've

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Speaker 8: been around him. You've probably seen him in person too.

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Speaker 8: I mean, he's a legit six five sixty six. He's

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Speaker 8: a legit two thirty five, two forty. I mean the

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Speaker 8: play we're going to show by the way, you know,

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Speaker 8: you hear all the time people say, well, your few

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Speaker 8: quarterbacks can make that throw. Normally, when people say that,

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Speaker 8: it's a bunch of garbage. But you know, there are

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Speaker 8: certain throws that are just wow throws. And he made

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Speaker 8: one last week and we should just go to it

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Speaker 8: because it's this is a throw.

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Speaker 3: I mean when I saw watching the tape, because I probably.

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Speaker 8: Saw it live too, But you know, when you're watching

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Speaker 8: it on Sunday, you're watching one hundred plays and they

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Speaker 8: just kind of roll over you. But when I'm watching

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Speaker 8: the tape and I saw this, I was like, WHOA.

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Speaker 8: So this was, you know, obviously last week and it

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Speaker 8: was a fifty yard completion. So you're going to see

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Speaker 8: Herbert's in the gun here and it's going to be

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Speaker 8: trips to the wide side of the field. And the

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Speaker 8: two receivers that we want to take note of are

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Speaker 8: Johnston on the outside and mconkie in the slot. Now,

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Speaker 8: the safety in the linebacker on the defensive side of

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Speaker 8: the ball are important here because what's going to happen here,

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Speaker 8: and we're seeing this more and more in the league,

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Speaker 8: is what we call late coverage rotation, changing the picture.

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Speaker 8: The safety will drop deep as a half field player,

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Speaker 8: and the linebacker will drop as a middle hole defender.

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Speaker 3: They're going to play Cover two.

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Speaker 8: So now what you're going to see that corner because

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Speaker 8: it's Cover two. He's not going to drop to that

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Speaker 8: second box. He doesn't drop deep because he's a flat

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Speaker 8: defender in Cover two.

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Speaker 3: So now let's go to the route concept.

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Speaker 8: It's going to be two verticals by Johnston and McConkie,

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Speaker 8: which is a very good concept against Cover two. Now

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Speaker 8: they may not have known they were going to get

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Speaker 8: cover two, but this is a good concept. So let's

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Speaker 8: watch it map out as we play it out. So

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Speaker 8: what's going to happen is the safety kind of becomes

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Speaker 8: the conflict player here because you're getting two verticals and

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Speaker 8: he's a deep half player. And remember the corner on

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Speaker 8: the outside is not going to drop deep because it's

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Speaker 8: cover two. He's an underneath player, so he's not going

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Speaker 8: to carry Johnston. So now what you're going to get

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Speaker 8: is they actually do a great job on defense, the

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Speaker 8: safety and the linebacker passing off McConkie, and the safety

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Speaker 8: does a good job at Herbert is going to climb

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Speaker 8: the pocket here, So now he's going to make this

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Speaker 8: whole shot throw late. This is a ridiculous throw. The

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Speaker 8: safety can't get there. It's such a good throw, and

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Speaker 8: when you see it from another angle, you're just going

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Speaker 8: to see. Like I said, you know, I'm not going

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Speaker 8: to sit here and say, gee, no one else can

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Speaker 8: make this throw. But the key thing here to me

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Speaker 8: is he sees this as a viable thing.

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Speaker 3: I talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 8: One of the things that there's no metric for, or

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Speaker 8: there's no stat for is throws that should be made

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Speaker 8: that aren made, and throws that are that quarterbacks see

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Speaker 8: as viable throws because not every quarterback would see that

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Speaker 8: as a viable throw because they know they're not comfortable

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Speaker 8: making it. Obviously, Herbert can make any throw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is special. Texans, Chargers, Eagles, Bills, Niners, Bears.

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Speaker 1: There are some great matchups. Greg is a really happy Holidays.

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Speaker 3: Thanks con same to you. Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is the giving season, and it's always better

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, all right, Colin, First up?

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Speaker 6: What's your gift for Bills quarterback Josh Allen?

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Speaker 6: What's your gift for Patriots quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Drake May Eleven games with one hundred plus passer rating

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Speaker 1: this year, so I got him. Ay, I played an

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 6: What's your gift for Jets coach Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 1: to tear it down and rebuild already?

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Speaker 6: What's your gift for Philip Rivers and the Colts?

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Speaker 1: How about his own NFL franchise? I mean Rivers and

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Speaker 1: the NFL, the Philip Rivers family deserve their own franchise.

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Speaker 6: Okay, what do you give it? Travis Kelcey of the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought a lot about this, so you did.

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Speaker 6: Oh wow, I like that.

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Speaker 1: What's your gift for Jackson Dart? I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart, who I like, a Fisher Price playground. I

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Speaker 6: Bro I like the hat backwards in that as well.

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Speaker 6: What's your gift for Caleb Williams?

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Speaker 1: be the new King of Chicago, but he puts on

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Speaker 1: a Bruno Mars level show every week. Caleb Williams, Baby,

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Speaker 1: he is getting his own resident see in Vegas.

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Speaker 6: Well, all right, what are you giving your man crush

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Speaker 6: Jared Goff?

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Speaker 1: How about a digital photo album so he can relive

656
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Speaker 1: all the great memories he had with Ben Johnson. It's

657
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Speaker 1: been a rough season. Wow, that's ours.

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Speaker 6: And finally, be careful here, what are you giving my

659
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Speaker 6: guy Brock Purdie.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought about this, Jaymac, and you have been

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Speaker 1: one of his most ardent supporters. I'm giving him a

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Speaker 1: gift certificate to two to mastros So Jmack and Brock

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Speaker 1: pretty get table, white tablecloths talk endlessly about their favorite

664
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Speaker 1: person me two for dinner, taken Champagne, our stocking stuffers.

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Speaker 1: So the story of the day which emerged it emerged

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Speaker 1: today about halfway through the first hour is according to

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Speaker 1: Mike Preston, who's a very good, very serious, very respected

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Speaker 1: reporter for the Baltimore Ravens. Now, remember this is something

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Speaker 1: you know, and I know stuff gets out when somebody

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Speaker 1: wants it out. Why did this story suddenly get out.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson had a pretty disappointing last five or six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Right this year not been good. Banged up comes back

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Speaker 1: that he has fallen asleep in meetings playing video games

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Speaker 1: at night. They moved their practices to mid afternoon because

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Speaker 1: Lamar doesn't like early morning practice. That when they do

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Speaker 1: criticize him, he shrinks, he would draws. He doesn't like criticism.

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Speaker 1: And jamac brought this up, and I think both of

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Speaker 1: us have always thought he's reading. I've always thought he's

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Speaker 1: better in the pocket that he was given credit for

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Speaker 1: is a rookie year. He is more runner than thrower.

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Speaker 1: But he's gotten pretty good at that is. His cap

682
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Speaker 1: hit next year is massive, twenty four percent. That is ungodly.

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Speaker 1: His cap hit next year is twenty four percent of

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Speaker 1: the Ravens cap bo Nick's Denver one point seven percent,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams three point six percent. That is unbelievable. Your

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Speaker 1: hands are tight as a GM, your hands are tight

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Speaker 1: as a coach. If you have injuries, you're down to

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Speaker 1: third stringers. So there are some quotes here in the

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Speaker 1: article that will put up I am a fan of

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. One of the quotes a major problem. A

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Speaker 1: lot of it on the Ravens is that there are

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Speaker 1: team rules and then there are rules for Jackson. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll defend him a little there. Once the Ravens become

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Speaker 1: critical of him, he becomes more withdrawn. It's clear the

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Speaker 1: coach Harbaugh has become tired of Jackson. Nick Wright, for

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Speaker 1: the record, has been on this for a lot of

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Speaker 1: the year, and Mike Preston is a very respected guy,

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Speaker 1: so you know the injuries are piling up next. He's

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Speaker 1: always been hyper athletic. Now Mahomes and Josh Allen are

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Speaker 1: athletic too, but they're also unbelievable all time guys in

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Speaker 1: the pocket. Lamar is good in the pocket. But he

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Speaker 1: really his secret sauce has always been he's the most

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Speaker 1: elusive quarterback, the fastest quarterback I've ever seen. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to even put two or three guys in the history

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Speaker 1: of football in his class. And that's his secret sauce.

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Speaker 1: And it's not that big of a secret. He's just

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Speaker 1: hard to prepare for. Always dominated the NFC teams which

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Speaker 1: don't see him very often. If you see him for

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Speaker 1: a first time, it's just hard to comprehend how elusive

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Speaker 1: he is. So but now the injuries are piling up.

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Speaker 1: He's a massive cap hit. He's withdrawing when there's criticism

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Speaker 1: his window. And you know the NFL, you know in

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Speaker 1: basketball and baseball and mostly in hockey, you're not being tackled.

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Speaker 1: So you know, for offensive players, a lot of these

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Speaker 1: offensive skill players, your windows are quick. Cam Newton's last

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Speaker 1: great year twenty nine, Cam was a better athlete than

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Speaker 1: he was a sit in the pocket, pre snap audible guy.

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Speaker 1: He was just an absolutely mammoth great athlete. He aged

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Speaker 1: very fast. Big Ben to me aged fast. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: forty two, still slick because Aaron's great in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: Stafford Brady Breeze.

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Speaker 2: So he is.

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Speaker 1: I do think he has now become the kind of

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Speaker 1: quarterback that is still Pro Bowl level in his best years.

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Speaker 1: But is he somebody that the Ravens would take a

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Speaker 1: call on. Now, let me throw another quarterback out. Joe Burrow. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I would never take a call on Joe Burrow, but

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Speaker 1: after his third injury, I'd take a call. I would

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Speaker 1: not take a call on Drake may Justin, Herbert, Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I wouldn't take a call on Boonix and

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Speaker 1: Caleb right now, because they're such small percentages of the

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Speaker 1: cap and they're very good young quarterbacks. I'm not taking

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Speaker 1: a call, but there's always about six or seven guys.

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Speaker 1: Lamar was one of them. You just don't even pick

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Speaker 1: up the phone. I think he's moved it into the

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Speaker 1: group of the next six or seven.

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Speaker 6: So Colin, I was just digging into, like we've talked

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Speaker 6: about this all week, the cap situation. Right, so once

739
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Speaker 6: you pay Lamar, you have to get ready and say, hey,

740
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Speaker 6: we got to move off these guys. With the Chiefs

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Speaker 6: and Mahomes, they lose their offensive line. You see the

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Speaker 6: result this year. I was just looking so Baltimore essentially

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Speaker 6: coming into the season bet on a twenty twenty two

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Speaker 6: to fourth rounder and a twenty twenty three seventh rounder

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Speaker 6: on their offensive line because they could not afford Morgan

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Speaker 6: Moses John Simsimms's right, good call. Those young guys in

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Speaker 6: the draft did not pan out, right, You only get

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Speaker 6: a couple.

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Speaker 3: Swings in the draft.

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Speaker 6: So when the offensive line doesn't work and Lamar is injured,

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, you've got like nothing, and that

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Speaker 6: we saw it with the Chiefs. I'm just really curious

753
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Speaker 6: what's gonna happen with that offensive line on the Bengals.

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Speaker 6: It already isn't great. Borrow got hurt again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the Miami Dolphins of the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: do you not make a call? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Of course you do.

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Speaker 6: I would not be surprised if already calls were not made. Now,

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Speaker 6: we don't know what about the Dolphins with their GM situation.

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Speaker 6: They ran him off. But if i'm McDaniel, I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 6: Lamar jack you could be Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: You got to keep me.

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Speaker 1: I think that helps McDaniel's cause.

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Speaker 6: Raiders are interesting because if you get the chance to

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Speaker 6: coach Lamar. I mean, I don't think they keep Pete Carroll. Sorry,

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Speaker 6: I know you guys are friendly. I don't see that happening,

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I would. I would probably trade that number

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Speaker 6: one or number two pick of Mendoza and en roll

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Speaker 6: with Lamar if I was the Raiders. They need to

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Speaker 6: sell tickets.

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Speaker 1: They want to be on television. You know they're not

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Speaker 1: getting any prime time games.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, folks, I've never understood this criticism

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Speaker 1: of people. New information equals new opinion. Period, we didn't

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Speaker 1: know this we didn't know what was going on. Teams

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Speaker 1: trying to hide this stuff. So why does it get out?

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Speaker 1: Because the Ravens want it out. That's why stuff get top.

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Speaker 1: We've all had secrets in a life that don't get out.

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00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, Companies don't want them out right, when stuff leaks,

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00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: it's because they want it out. And I mean, we

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Speaker 1: find out a lot of stuff during the Belichick Brady

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Speaker 1: era that didn't get out until there was a divorce

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Speaker 1: between Brady and Belichick. And then Seth Wickersham writes a book,

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00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, Connor writes a book, Jeff Benedict, and then

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Speaker 1: all the books come out, you know, as the relationship

787
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: gets worn down in the last couple of years together,

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Speaker 1: and then eventually, you know, Brady goes to Tampa. So

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Speaker 1: I think when when stuff gets out, there's there's people that,

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Speaker 1: you know, because some of this is Harbaugh's getting ripped,

791
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: Harpball's getting criticized, the front office is getting criticized, and

792
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: they're like front office in Baltimore, it's not us. It's

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00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: not all us, guys, time out, it is not all us.

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Speaker 1: So Mike Preston's a very good reporter and during the

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Speaker 1: breaks We've been kind of going back and forth on

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00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: this story, and I think, yeah, I think you get

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Speaker 1: new information and you're literally rigid, stubborn and dumb if

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00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: you're getting information and not using it. It's like George

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00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: Pickens in week seven, Oh my god, this is amazing.

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00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: George Pickens in week thirteen, always pouting new information, adjust

801
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: to it. So this is a massive story from one

802
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Speaker 1: of the top three or four or five quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: this league the last several years. Hour three on a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: coming up