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Speaker 1: These so called cult mom Lorie Valo hit the headlines

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Speaker 1: when her two children JJ entirely go missing, but they

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Speaker 1: espousing her beliefs in a doomsday cult. According to her

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Speaker 1: and her prepare the people called the world will end

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Speaker 1: in July. But you know what, we'll burn that bridge

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Speaker 1: police in many states look for Tailey and JJ. Mommy

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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Vallo decides to go on a Hawaii

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Speaker 1: vacation with her new lover, and while there, they get married,

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Speaker 1: seemingly not concerned that it's only two weeks since his

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Speaker 1: dead by her brother. Funny how that was just such

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Speaker 1: perfect timing. But right now, what I'm concerned about, in

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Speaker 1: addition to where are the children? Are they dad or alive?

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Speaker 1: Is cult mom Lorie Valo set to walk free on

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Speaker 1: a lowered bond. Is this happening in what universe? I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Series XIM one

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Speaker 1: eleven Lorie Valo to walk free without divulging where are

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Speaker 1: her two missing children? No what judge and his or

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Speaker 1: her right mind would do that. Well, guess what they

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Speaker 1: have been thinking about it for a long time. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen Utah Adam Herbert's.

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Speaker 1: Within two weeks of Tammy's death, Chad married Lorie Valo, who,

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Speaker 1: three months. On November twenty sixth, family members started to

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Speaker 1: The day after that, Laurie Valo's brother Alex Cox died

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Speaker 1: with me an all Star panel. Ashley Wilcot, judge and

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot com. Bobby Chicane, former spec agent, FBI screenwriter,

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Speaker 1: Criminal Minds doctor Bethany Marshall psycho analysts joining us from

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Instagram. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Cheryl McCollum, director of

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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute and crime scene expert. Levi

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Jo Scott, you know all about the cult?

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Speaker 1: What can you tell us? Well, you know this fellow

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Speaker 1: He claims that, you know, he has the only one

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Speaker 1: people do things out of this belief that they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: What they do in these cults. I'm sorry, did not

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Speaker 1: a problem with that. Cheryl McCollum. Well, it's one of

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Speaker 1: find the children. Valo makes up a story. The cops

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Speaker 1: go back to their HQ, they go out on the street,

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Speaker 1: they look for the children. The children aren't where she says.

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Speaker 1: They go back the next day. She's gone. I don't

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Speaker 1: mean gone, I mean cleared out the furniture, everything she's moved.

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Speaker 1: She left in the middle of an investigation and leaves

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Speaker 1: the Continental US and heads to Hawaii. That is what happened.

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Speaker 1: The thought of her getting bond is insane. What about it, chikom.

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Speaker 1: We already know her track record. Why would we let

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Speaker 1: her do it again? I have no idea. You know, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: the two traditional bail issues or danger to the community

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Speaker 1: and risk of flight. Well, she's already demonstrated an ability

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Speaker 1: to flee, and although she wasn't charged at the time

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Speaker 1: when she went to Hawaii, you can certainly make the

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Speaker 1: argument that she has the means and the ability to

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Speaker 1: flee and fight. You're technically correct, Bobby Chicone. She hadn't

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Speaker 1: made charged yet, but Comms had come to her doorstep

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Speaker 1: looking for the children. The next day when they go back,

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Speaker 1: she's gone, Sure you think that's a coincidence, Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: And you know the other thing is to remember is

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Speaker 1: too she was initially held at least part of the

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Speaker 1: time on a contempt citation when she refused to produce

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Speaker 1: the children. So I would hope that even if this judge,

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Speaker 1: you know, makes the insane decision to at least avail awful,

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Speaker 1: that what we held in contempt for still refusing to

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Speaker 1: produce the children in that contempt citation, she can remain incarcerated.

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Speaker 1: Five charges, two felonies for a failure to support or

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Speaker 1: take care of her children. That rise to felony level.

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Speaker 1: It's called felony abandonment a child. Then there is contempt

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Speaker 1: when she lied to police. There is a contempt of

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Speaker 1: court when she did not produce the children and come

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Speaker 1: to court pursue it to a subpoena. And third the

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Speaker 1: allegation that she tried to get someone else to lie

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Speaker 1: about the location of the children. Those are the five

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Speaker 1: felonies that have been leveled against coltmom Lorie Valo. We

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Speaker 1: know that nearly obtained court documents from the Idaho Attorney

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Speaker 1: General's Office and the County Prosecutor's office show the AG

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Speaker 1: is now taking over much of the case. Why Joe

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan do you think that's happening. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a consolidation of the investigation, and what that means is

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Speaker 1: bringing all of these fragmented pieces. Nancy, We've got dead

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Speaker 1: bodies from here down to Arizona. You know, if you

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Speaker 1: count her brother that's dead. We've got what I believe

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Speaker 1: is a serious, serious problem with coroner and Rexberg that

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Speaker 1: allowed that body to be buried without you know, Tammy

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Speaker 1: Day Bell being thoroughly examined, and then they had to

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Speaker 1: exhume her body and down in Utah and the Utah

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Speaker 1: State Mmy's office has got nothing to work with but

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Speaker 1: an embomb remain, and you know, it's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a freak show, is what it comes down to

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Speaker 1: from from a criminal investigation standpoint. And if they don't

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Speaker 1: if they don't stand the believing right now, this whole

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Speaker 1: thing could run off the tracks. I think that's what

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Speaker 1: the Age recognizes right now there. I agree with a

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Speaker 1: lot of what you said. But if the Idaho Attorney

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Speaker 1: General snatches the case away from the county authorities, the

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Speaker 1: Idaho Age has no power in Arizona or Utah, and

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Speaker 1: I believe that you are how should I say this

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Speaker 1: putting perfume on a pig. Every time I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: the Age takeover a case is because it has been

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Speaker 1: bungled and they've gotten complaints and people are starting to say,

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Speaker 1: what the hey. Whether it's the coroner's office, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the problem is, but I know this. It

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Speaker 1: is a bad sign when the Age takes your case

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Speaker 1: away another but everything else, I agree with you. I'm

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Speaker 1: very curious about other people that have passed away. I

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Speaker 1: recently learned that I believe it was Laurie Valo's sister

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Speaker 1: died under suspicious circumstances many years ago. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: more I look into her background, the more dead bodies

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Speaker 1: I find. I mean, Laurie Valo's older sister, Stacy Lynn

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Speaker 1: Cox Cope, died age thirty one. Very few details known

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Speaker 1: about her death and the cod is unclear. And now

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Speaker 1: renewed interest in her sister's death. I mean, help me

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Speaker 1: count up the dead people. Let's think this thing through

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Speaker 1: LEVI page. How many dead bodies do we have now?

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Speaker 1: And we're not saying she's responsible for all of these,

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Speaker 1: but dead bodies connected to Laurie Valo, so called occult mom,

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Speaker 1: and I take responsibility for that Moniker. So we've got

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Speaker 1: the dead sister Stacy Lyncox Cope, no cod brother. Yes, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's go in chronological order. Let's make it harder. Let's

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Speaker 1: go in chronological order. You've got the dead sister back

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Speaker 1: in ninety eight. Then you've got Joseph Ryan. That was

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Speaker 1: husband number three. I think he died. They claimed a

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Speaker 1: heart attack, but nobody knows because he was cremated so quickly.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got who's next? Would it be her husband? Yes,

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Speaker 1: her husband, Chad day Bell is next. Then I mean,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, Charles Valoe, thank you. Then you've got day

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Speaker 1: Belle's wife, Tammy day Bell. Then you've got yeah, after

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Speaker 1: the brother. Some people say she gets him to shoot

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Speaker 1: her husband, Dad Alex. The brother is dead. So you've

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Speaker 1: got the sister, You've got Joseph Ryan, You've got I'm Valoe,

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Speaker 1: You've got the brother. Alex. Then you've got Tammy day Bell,

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Speaker 1: You've got another relative being shot at, and now are

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Speaker 1: the children in the mix. That's seven bodies, Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: seven bodies connected to one person. Hold on, Cheryl's down again.

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Speaker 1: I'm having a problem with this, Joe Scott. Seven bodies

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Speaker 1: connected to one woman. Yeah, yeah, it's It's reminds me

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Speaker 1: of the Ten Commandments, where if you didn't have the

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Speaker 1: blood on your door, you know, the angel of death

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Speaker 1: is going to visit you. It's it's striking, you know.

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Speaker 1: And we didn't even really and I know you briefly

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Speaker 1: mentioned it, but we talked about these attempts that had occurred.

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Speaker 1: I think Brandon Boudreau was shot at and and not killed,

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Speaker 1: you know. And so there's there is a pattern that

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Speaker 1: is developing here and for people that are investigation and

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Speaker 1: that's that's kind of how we make our living. We

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Speaker 1: look for patterns in these in these events, both in

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Speaker 1: the short term and in a long term. In ploy

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Speaker 1: does she have a track Rerayer? It just goes on

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Speaker 1: and on and on. My question is back to this

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Speaker 1: jurisdictional issue. I think the FEDS are really going to

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Speaker 1: have to step in here and begin to kind of

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Speaker 1: put this together. And what Cheryl had said earlier is

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Speaker 1: key here. And this goes back to y'allowstone. This is

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Speaker 1: federal property. This is federal property. So now you have

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Speaker 1: brought the full weight and force of the federal government

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Speaker 1: into this investigation, and right now I think that's the

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Speaker 1: best thing. Now you're right, Jessica Morgan, You're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 1: All I have to say is this call it mom.

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Speaker 1: Laurie Valla Valo and bond reduction don't mix. I'm locking

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Speaker 1: the doors, I under the bed if this lady walk free.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,