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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I was worried about heck. When
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Speaker 1: There was some news that broke yesterday. Wednesday just has
Speaker 1: been an unfortunate day over the last two weeks for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Kean O'Neil out this week because of COVID
Speaker 1: or based on the COVID reserve list. What is the
Speaker 1: what is the update there, Well, he hadn't been ruled
Speaker 1: out yet, that's good. But if we go off of
Speaker 1: every player that's had this happened to them days before
Speaker 1: a game, then they're preparing for him not to play.
Speaker 1: It happened to Randy Gregory, it happened to Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: happened to Brandon Night. Noah Brown was cleared in time
Speaker 1: but didn't play. So the reports are he's a close contact,
Speaker 1: which means five days of isolation, and you're gonna test
Speaker 1: every day so that there's a chance he could be
Speaker 1: cleared right in time. But I don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are preparing. Is this more of a contact tracing kind
Speaker 1: of deal like he sounds like, okay, yeah, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, it's interesting. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: kind of a musical chairs thay because if he doesn't
Speaker 1: play and Dorn's Armstrong doesn't play and you don't have
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence obviously very interesting where Michael Parsons is gonna
Speaker 1: line up and maybe maybe it's a little bit of everywhere.
Speaker 1: We kind of touched on that early in the week.
Speaker 1: I don't see it being pigeonholed in the one spot,
Speaker 1: especially if Keona Hill is not available, because I mean,
Speaker 1: we we've had the conversation of, oh, now that Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory's back, do we even need him at edge Rusher?
Speaker 1: I guess the consensus was half and half yes, no,
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes, but yeah, if there's no Neil back there,
Speaker 1: then do we see a lot more of eleven at
Speaker 1: the linebacker spot? Hope not? Hope. No, There's a dude
Speaker 1: we drafted by the name of Jabril Cox. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys know him, but he's on a
Speaker 1: roster and he's pretty athletic as well. Yeah, with the
Speaker 1: lsu Kin kind of a dude. Whereas number fourteen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of a dude, So I think that he can
Speaker 1: fill in in that role as well. We talked about
Speaker 1: our depth at a lot of positions this year. We
Speaker 1: have the fortune of having that, so let's utilize it.
Speaker 1: Let's get these guys out there. Let him go out
Speaker 1: there and make place. That's what he does now. I
Speaker 1: love the optimism, Um, and I've been trying to get
Speaker 1: a look at these younger guys anyway, and so if
Speaker 1: this is the opportunity that he gets, I'm sure to
Speaker 1: just being spot duty on a tight end, which is
Speaker 1: supposedly his strength coming out of the draft, his ability
Speaker 1: to cover tight end. So he'll get that this week.
Speaker 1: We don't know the health of their tight ends why.
Speaker 1: I think Zach Earnst is out for the game, but
Speaker 1: I trust that with Dallas Goddard and Jack Stole that
Speaker 1: we could use Jabril cox in spot duty. I'm with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's him. Some more playing time I think would be nice.
Speaker 1: He hasn't seen a ton of playing time. Most of
Speaker 1: his stuff has come on special teams. But maybe there
Speaker 1: will be a little bit more Jabril Cox. Um. In
Speaker 1: terms of Wednesday, whether any other news storylines, Rod, I
Speaker 1: think that's it. Randy Gregory's back. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: So back to practice today, so we should see him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird it's Thursday, but it's Wednesday. Yeah, it's Garrett
Speaker 1: thing back in the day. It's been kind of slow
Speaker 1: because of no practice the last two days and there
Speaker 1: hasn't been anybody in there. I was asked last night
Speaker 1: by one of the guys that the fan asking if
Speaker 1: Calvin Joseph has been practicing, But is he available to
Speaker 1: practice yet or does he have to wait until that
Speaker 1: three weeks is up until he actually gets on the
Speaker 1: field period. That's a good question. When he returns from
Speaker 1: his hip injury. I think he's got to be on IR.
Speaker 1: I think so too, Yeah, and then he can they
Speaker 1: can start the clit like when it's Wow. That's a
Speaker 1: good question because these IR rules have changed and it
Speaker 1: used to be within like pup you can start practicing
Speaker 1: and you have a window and all that stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the case for him though, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he was okay, Yeah, we'll try and figure that
Speaker 1: out later on as well. But anything sticking out to
Speaker 1: you guys now that we've kind of previewed the Philly
Speaker 1: offense and the Cowboys defense. Now, well, let's flip the
Speaker 1: table a little bit. Looking at the film going into
Speaker 1: Monday's matchup. We're trying to break down this Cowboys offense
Speaker 1: into the Philadelphia defense. And I'll start this off with you, heckma,
Speaker 1: early on in the season, what is the best thing
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys offense has done so far to you
Speaker 1: air it out? Throwing to football? They've been airing people out.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, the game last week versus the Chargers,
Speaker 1: I think getting Tony Pollard involved, I think shown that
Speaker 1: showed the kind of asset that he can be to
Speaker 1: this offense. And Michael Gallup's absence basically, and so you
Speaker 1: know when you when you look at both of these teams,
Speaker 1: it really will this game will be decided by the
Speaker 1: front lines offense and defensive lines. And Fletcher Cox is
Speaker 1: still Fletcher Cox, number ninety one. He just sticks out
Speaker 1: like a store thumb with everything that he does. But
Speaker 1: he has a guy by the name Javon Hargraves that
Speaker 1: will cancel Christmas if we don't get him. If we
Speaker 1: don't get him blocked, no Christmas trees this year. And
Speaker 1: the heck no, no, we don't get a Christmas Tree
Speaker 1: and I got one picked out already. They already got
Speaker 1: to nick that out for you this year. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one up front, and so I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see how the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: line this up. It's not the same threat as it
Speaker 1: was with Bosa on the outside, even though they do
Speaker 1: have some some some edge rushers. But for me, I
Speaker 1: just want to see Terence Steele not go to sleep
Speaker 1: at the wheel. I know that, Ryan Bars, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't just stay on top of what you do. I know.
Speaker 1: I think it's a heightened sense of awareness when you
Speaker 1: have a Bosa on the other side of you. So
Speaker 1: just don't relax, you know. And it really does feel
Speaker 1: good going into a game like this knowing that you
Speaker 1: do have Zach Martin. No having him back was a
Speaker 1: world of a difference in week two. But I want
Speaker 1: to ask kind of off of that point, Rob if
Speaker 1: your confidence level. I know it's risen from Terren Steele
Speaker 1: last week to Terren Steele in week three, but how
Speaker 1: much has it risen going up against another team, Like
Speaker 1: you said, even though there is no Joey Bosa on
Speaker 1: the other side, it's Risen, but he talked about it
Speaker 1: yesterday himself, Terren Steele that this front line for Philly,
Speaker 1: there they're monsters and they I feel like we've been
Speaker 1: saying that about them for twenty years, Like that's their
Speaker 1: defense starts up front, and it always seems to and
Speaker 1: they lose what Brandon Graham for the season. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the Eagles official depth charter on their website right now,
Speaker 1: and there's just a blank spot at left defensive end.
Speaker 1: They don't they haven't officially filled that. I imagine Josh
Speaker 1: Sweat Barnett, they're gonna, you know, one guy is gonna
Speaker 1: play that side, but they're just gonna plug one guy
Speaker 1: in and go. I mean, I think they're still really
Speaker 1: good upfront. Um, and you know, you watch the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers game and you you know, you watch what
Speaker 1: uh Barnett and those guys can do off the snap.
Speaker 1: It's pretty impressive. So it's not just Steel, I think
Speaker 1: it's everybody. Uh, they got to be able to block
Speaker 1: for Dak Prescott. These guys propose a different challenge than
Speaker 1: what we faced last week or even a week before. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like week one versus Tampa, they're
Speaker 1: big boys. I mean we have something. They had some
Speaker 1: big boys on the end that can get to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Week two agains the Chargers, we were worried about one guy,
Speaker 1: primarily Um. Now you know they don't have a Jabrail Cox,
Speaker 1: but they do have a big boy Cox c c
Speaker 1: o X right, you know, and he's been in the
Speaker 1: league for a while. He's dominated if you allow him
Speaker 1: to be Um. But they you know, obviously we talked
Speaker 1: about Graham being gone, but they just gave Sweat a
Speaker 1: bunch of money. Yes, they just gave Sweat a bunch
Speaker 1: of money. So he steps up, he will be in
Speaker 1: that role. And then there's a guy behind him too
Speaker 1: who's always been a Cowboys record by the name of Carrigan,
Speaker 1: Ryan Carrigan. Yeah, he's not even starting for him, but
Speaker 1: he's there. He's there. He's always start for Washington. Last
Speaker 1: year when he was him the first time and he
Speaker 1: had two sacks, I believe, So he's they So until
Speaker 1: you're to that point, these boys are they proposed they
Speaker 1: present a different problem for us up front. Um speed
Speaker 1: is one thing when you're worried about Bosa, but these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, to steal his point, have a motor. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're dogs, they're savvy veterans, these are vents. Now,
Speaker 1: these guys know what the heck they're doing, and they're ginormous.
Speaker 1: They're ginormous, right, and they got that old man Uncle Strim.
Speaker 1: So you gotta be you know, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, that Kung Foo pan, the grip that'scatouch. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you gotta Yeah, so you have to be able
Speaker 1: to to hold the fort, drop your hips and get
Speaker 1: underneath these guys, otherwise they will walk you back to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And we don't need that on Dack's legs.
Speaker 1: Had you when you look at them, did they have
Speaker 1: a twinge of that Tampa defense up? I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about up front with the bay from the inside, the
Speaker 1: one and the three tech, the way they play, they
Speaker 1: favored Tampa more than they favored the Soldiers. Y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so, I think if you're gonna make a
Speaker 1: comparison obviously to what we've faced this year, it's more
Speaker 1: Tampa than it is um Los Angeles. And that's not good. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: By the way, I know, it's only week three, so
Speaker 1: this is super early to start throwing out ranks. But
Speaker 1: at least we have multiple sample sizes to do this on.
Speaker 1: This has been against two struggling offenses, with San Francisco
Speaker 1: and Atlanta being the opposing teams to Philadelphia. But right now,
Speaker 1: the Eagles defense finished or currently sits top five in
Speaker 1: total yards allowed, scoring aloud, passing yards allowed, third down percentage,
Speaker 1: and yards per play allowed. So I mean they've gotten
Speaker 1: off to a quick start and a lot of that
Speaker 1: is the front seven overall. But if so, you're saying
Speaker 1: not as good as Tampa Bay, but similar in style
Speaker 1: is ultimately what you're you're laying out here. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: I think they're like I said, it's just hard, you're savvy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're just sad events, you know, and these guys.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna fool these guys. You're not gonna trick them.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna, you know, out leverage them. They know
Speaker 1: all the tricks of the trade. So you know, it
Speaker 1: really comes down to you're gonna have to go when
Speaker 1: you got to hit these guys, You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: move them off the ball. You're not You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to bamboozle your way into getting good plays.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to man handle these guys and you
Speaker 1: bringing your sack lunch, you know them draws. You have
Speaker 1: to come back out because it's gonna be a work
Speaker 1: day when you're playing against Fletcher and you're playing against
Speaker 1: you know, Josh Sweat who has a pocket full of
Speaker 1: money now and in and in Hardgrave and then oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, Kerrigan who just doesn't stop right. So
Speaker 1: you got you have your work. You know, your work
Speaker 1: cut out for you as we try to establish this
Speaker 1: running game continuously. The one thing they haven't done is
Speaker 1: forced the turnover yet in two games. That's the one
Speaker 1: thing you look at their their their resume and say
Speaker 1: they haven't done that, although they dropped at least one
Speaker 1: pick against San Francisco. So yeah, they're good all the
Speaker 1: way through. And they are similar to Tampa and that
Speaker 1: that's their strength. I mean, you try to run against
Speaker 1: this front and it's gonna be tough, you know, and
Speaker 1: pass pass protection is gonna be tough too, because they'll
Speaker 1: put five guys on the line of scrimmage and d yeah,
Speaker 1: or just kind of trying to make you figure out
Speaker 1: who's coming and who's dropping and whether they're not like
Speaker 1: Tampa is they don't blitz a lot. I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: They don't bring a lot of guys on the blitz,
Speaker 1: and they may benefit us as well. I think we
Speaker 1: have an advantage on them and the edge. I think
Speaker 1: we can get the edge. And I think Tony polit
Speaker 1: if we continue the trend that using him that way,
Speaker 1: he can get the edge. And I think this is
Speaker 1: a game for Zeke to get on track, and so
Speaker 1: we could stop all this talk. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: got fifteen more games ago and I think a fresh
Speaker 1: twenty one later in the season, it's going to benefit us.
Speaker 1: But offensive line watch just going back to talking about
Speaker 1: Zach Martin and what he's done with still just kind
Speaker 1: of anchoring these guys that hold right side of the
Speaker 1: offensive lying down. Be honest, I think people are starting
Speaker 1: to understand that he needs a lot more strength. You know,
Speaker 1: he's we've seen him lose those battles in the bull
Speaker 1: rush situation. But I want to this guy. People are
Speaker 1: not talking about what he's doing. And I talked to
Speaker 1: you when we talked last year, I said, I said
Speaker 1: that he's like that last call the lady at the
Speaker 1: end of the wile, the last call but Connor Williams
Speaker 1: is having a damn good season, and I mean he
Speaker 1: start to a season last year. You did not listen.
Speaker 1: Now listen, this is me coming around and saying you
Speaker 1: were right. There's a surroundabout way to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's absolutely means somewhere around him. But I mean Connor
Speaker 1: Williams is doing a good job and having Smith back
Speaker 1: also kind of anchors this offensive line. So I love him.
Speaker 1: I agree, But you know, to that point, you know
Speaker 1: two weeks you know, our first game was only two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and the film you talk about, try to
Speaker 1: be honest, the film that was out on the second
Speaker 1: half where he was getting kind of driven back bulldorg um,
Speaker 1: that's out there, and you can best you best believe
Speaker 1: that these guys watch that. And as good as Vita
Speaker 1: Vea is, these guys up front, no more than he knows.
Speaker 1: Vita Vea was just locking on and just running you back.
Speaker 1: So imagine the guys with the same ability, but now
Speaker 1: have all the tricks that you know in their bag. Well,
Speaker 1: so we have to be on our on our toes.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm not just gassing these guys up there.
Speaker 1: They're good, they're good and for the type of defense
Speaker 1: that they're going to run, we are going to have
Speaker 1: to establish a run. We're gonna have to sustain drives
Speaker 1: because to your point, they don't blitz. Why because they're
Speaker 1: not confident in their secondary, So why would they put
Speaker 1: their secondary, you know, at risk. So they're gonna sit back,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be they're gonna they're gonna play a single
Speaker 1: high safety. They want to do that, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: have They're gonna have eight guys in a box. So
Speaker 1: we still have to establish a run. But we have
Speaker 1: to win our battles on the outside as well. And
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it depends on if Coop Dogg is
Speaker 1: back and obviously Gallup's gone, so we got some struggles
Speaker 1: there too. Yeah, and you're gonna have to find a
Speaker 1: way to get to the edge regardless. But when we
Speaker 1: come back, I want to keep that Tyler Beiottish conversation
Speaker 1: going him and Connor Williams both because that interior the
Speaker 1: offensive line has been kind of a point that's been
Speaker 1: glossed over by a lot of the Cowboys, or at
Speaker 1: least media and us in general. Kind of I feel
Speaker 1: like that might be the trouble spot on offense right now?
Speaker 1: But is it that big of a trouble spot. We'll
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Speaker 1: Isaiah stand bag talking. I'm saying tomorrow. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: How you're waiting on it? I was. I was waiting
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Speaker 1: the lowe finger. By the way, while we were in
Speaker 1: the break, Chris gave us an update on the IR situation.
Speaker 1: I asked the question and put Rob on the spot
Speaker 1: earlier about kel or excuse me, Kelvin Joseph and his return.
Speaker 1: What is the what is the thing with I are they?
Speaker 1: It's just like pup because Pupp's always been six weeks
Speaker 1: start a window to practice same thing. Three weeks on IR,
Speaker 1: then he can start practicing and start that clock. So
Speaker 1: one more week to go for for Kelvin Joseph. So
Speaker 1: though most likely not have him back week four, even
Speaker 1: as I mean best case scenario, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they'll have him on the field probably, but they would
Speaker 1: ramp him up. I would think as a rookie that's
Speaker 1: missed that significant amount of time, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he was able to practice next week
Speaker 1: and had a full week, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he would play in the game, but he might
Speaker 1: be ready to be active and dressed for the game.
Speaker 1: Are they to work with trainers in all that during
Speaker 1: that period desire? Yeah, I mean they're they're doing really
Speaker 1: so they he's not out of out of shape, and
Speaker 1: he's working with Britt Brown, so he'll be in shape.
Speaker 1: Prints on him. Trust Me, somebody who's been with Brit
Speaker 1: you're in shape. You much rather be on a practice
Speaker 1: field than to spend your time with him every day.
Speaker 1: He's an awesome person, but he's a he's a whole dog,
Speaker 1: a pick who'll get after you. Yeah. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: we were heading into the break, we we mentioned Tyler
Speaker 1: Biottish and kind of how the film hasn't been friendly
Speaker 1: to him the first two weeks of the season, and
Speaker 1: this is still we got to remember this is a
Speaker 1: second year guy, fourth round draft pick, and he's been
Speaker 1: thrust it into a starting role permanently for the first
Speaker 1: time in his career, because even last year you had
Speaker 1: Joe Looney kind of lingering around him. But Rob, from
Speaker 1: what you've seen so far from Tyler Beiottish, is this
Speaker 1: something we should be keeping an eye on. I only
Speaker 1: I won't even say concerned with yet because I don't
Speaker 1: think we're to that point. But if this offensive line
Speaker 1: continues in the trajectory it's going, can Tyler Biottish keep up? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think you guys hit on it. He's
Speaker 1: a young player and he didn't play as much as
Speaker 1: they would have liked last year because of injuries, and
Speaker 1: there's always I think with young guys, strength is always
Speaker 1: a factor there. So I think you guys are right
Speaker 1: about that. I think one one reason why Zach Martin
Speaker 1: is not at right tackle and he's at right guard
Speaker 1: is not only to help the right tackle, but help
Speaker 1: the center as well. He's right in the middle. He
Speaker 1: can help both guys pre snap, after the snap, combo blocks,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I think the presence of a
Speaker 1: six time pro bowler is that's they're thinking, is that
Speaker 1: we've got two young guys on either side of Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: Let's let's have him help out both guys. I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I mean, you obviously want to support
Speaker 1: him as much as possible. He'll be fine, He'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I mean he's getting better. I mean, you can't get
Speaker 1: better if you don't get reps, right, So that's what
Speaker 1: he has to do. He's throwing him to the fire.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's led us down by any means. Um.
Speaker 1: He just is facing some very large human beings that
Speaker 1: know what the heck they're doing. So that's how that's
Speaker 1: how you got to fair figure it out. Though, you
Speaker 1: know what, I mean, he faced what freaking three to
Speaker 1: the three to best guys think about it. I mean
Speaker 1: he faced who in camp in camp Donald? Oh that guy? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and then in his first game this year he played
Speaker 1: against all Right, and now he's going against Fletcher Cox.
Speaker 1: He had Linville Joseph last Linnville last week, So I
Speaker 1: mean you're playing he's playing the best that this league
Speaker 1: has to offer. Every week he will be better. I
Speaker 1: thought I would see an uptick going into the Joseph
Speaker 1: matchup last week, though, I thought he would match up
Speaker 1: decently there. I don't think he got dogged, but I don't.
Speaker 1: You're right he didn't, But I didn't see a massive improvement.
Speaker 1: You're looking for domination. He's not going to dominate anybody
Speaker 1: this year, right, Let's get that clear. He's not. He
Speaker 1: doesn't having a junk in the trunk's good thing. He's not.
Speaker 1: He's not what was he like three ten? Maybe you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he reminds me of like Kyle
Speaker 1: Kosher back in the day. Like Kyle did his job,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't dump trunk in anybody, right. He was
Speaker 1: surrounded by large human beings and he did his job efficiently.
Speaker 1: But you can't ask him to go out there and dominate.
Speaker 1: You just want him to not get dogged and make
Speaker 1: sure that everybody's lined up and going in the right direction.
Speaker 1: And I think coach Philbin and Kelly Moore doing a
Speaker 1: wonderful job with the offensive line. Just think about where
Speaker 1: they were in the first game. People don't talk about, oh,
Speaker 1: we didn't have Zach the first game and we came
Speaker 1: close to winning that one. But still I think they're
Speaker 1: doing a really good job of protecting uh dak Um
Speaker 1: the calls, the play calling. Also, it's putting dak in
Speaker 1: a position to for success. But again I think, be honest,
Speaker 1: the going back to what you just said, I think
Speaker 1: as his career goes, as he gets more strength, he'll
Speaker 1: be able to win those uh those matchups. But it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like that every week for him. So, like
Speaker 1: urban Meyer said, it's it's Alabama every weekend. So what
Speaker 1: do you think about that? I think that thing is
Speaker 1: just a whole just just just blow the whole coaching
Speaker 1: staff up. I don't know why he was ever hired,
Speaker 1: but let's not talk to Alabama every week. Let's not
Speaker 1: even Gorbane all day on her no non conference in September.
Speaker 1: We're playing, not he's not playing. I mean, these guys
Speaker 1: go to sleep with tablets in their hand watching film.
Speaker 1: They know what we're doing. Holy mo geez, wow, this
Speaker 1: is not the best athletes in the world all ge golly.
Speaker 1: Every guy was a star in college. Yeah, freaking freak heckmen,
Speaker 1: you mentioned play calling and Isaiah or excuse me, Rob
Speaker 1: the other day said I know, I know, get you
Speaker 1: guys mixed up all the time. Um, Rob, last week
Speaker 1: you said that you thought it was the best two
Speaker 1: game stretch of Kelln Moore play calling that you had seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the best play calling that he had done throughout his
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator career. What kind of advantage does that give
Speaker 1: you or do you believe that gives you going into
Speaker 1: a game like this where you have some certain matchups
Speaker 1: that stick out, but ultimately this is probably the worst
Speaker 1: defensive unit you've faced so far. Well, that's a great
Speaker 1: you think it is. I think they're really good. I
Speaker 1: think personnel wise, you think so, like more so than
Speaker 1: than LA. I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: argue with you on Tampa, but yeah, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean they're they're good, especially in the front excuse me,
Speaker 1: in the front seven. Um, what you asked the first
Speaker 1: right off the top of the show about what the
Speaker 1: offense has done best. I think it connects to what
Speaker 1: I said about Kellen, what we've said about Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: Colin plays like they've shown they can win any type
Speaker 1: of game. They can win a boxing match or a
Speaker 1: bar fight, whatever they need to do, if they need
Speaker 1: to run the ball a bunch. They can do that.
Speaker 1: If Dak needs to throw at sixty times, not ideal,
Speaker 1: but they can. They can do that. And so that's
Speaker 1: what I'm curious about. And you guys touched on kind
Speaker 1: of what Philly likes to do, what they do best.
Speaker 1: How defenses want to play this Cowboys offense going forward.
Speaker 1: Do they want to try to sell out and stop
Speaker 1: the run? Or with the way Dak Prescott has evolved
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, do you really want to give him
Speaker 1: opportunities one on one in the passing game? You know?
Speaker 1: And so how how does Philly want to play it?
Speaker 1: Do they want to play his own and play safeties
Speaker 1: over the top and say kind of like what's La
Speaker 1: did and say we'll make We'll give you some runs,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna make you drive the football and hopefully
Speaker 1: you make a mistake and if you only score twenty points,
Speaker 1: maybe we can steal a game from you. I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see how, And someb of it depends on what
Speaker 1: defense's strengths are, to begin with, what they're capable of
Speaker 1: doing from a personnel standpoint, What do you think they
Speaker 1: would do from Philly's perspective, Well, as they hit on it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know they'll they'll keep a
Speaker 1: safety over the top, but and try not to give
Speaker 1: up big plays. That's kind of what you've seen from them,
Speaker 1: that they'll play some shell coverage and kind of make
Speaker 1: you drive the length of the field because they have
Speaker 1: confidence in their guys up front. So I'm curious to
Speaker 1: see what they do though. And they haven't given up
Speaker 1: a one pass for over twenty yards, so I mean,
Speaker 1: even when we talk about what they do in the BOSS,
Speaker 1: they still plays forty yards back, but they're limiting. What
Speaker 1: they're trying to do is limit the big play, and
Speaker 1: they've done a really good job of that. But back
Speaker 1: to Kellen Moore and he he's faced a lot of criticism,
Speaker 1: but I love when Mike McCarthy was in his press
Speaker 1: conference and he talked about him actually being a head
Speaker 1: coach next year. I think he's onto something and this
Speaker 1: isn't hot takish. I just feel like and one of
Speaker 1: those people that I do not like, these young coaches
Speaker 1: that get elevated over guys has been in the league
Speaker 1: for a long time. I think Eric the Enemy deserves
Speaker 1: to be a head coach in the NFL. Not college,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is but when you look at
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore and what he's doing from an offensive standpoint,
Speaker 1: it translates to everything that we see in football right
Speaker 1: now in high school, college and the pros, the game
Speaker 1: that he's the kind of games that he's calling, and
Speaker 1: so I just think, man, that he is next in line.
Speaker 1: I think if you look at what he's doing, and
Speaker 1: if Dak was is able to play, god stay healthy
Speaker 1: this entire year, you're going to see those numbers reflected
Speaker 1: in our offense down will that reflecting wins? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the numbers and what he's going
Speaker 1: to put up, and I think he's a guy that's
Speaker 1: on his way. One of the things that I'm curious
Speaker 1: about if he does become a head coach. What kind
Speaker 1: of personality does Kelly Moore have? You know, I don't.
Speaker 1: We don't know him like that. Maybe you do, but
Speaker 1: I mean, he's better go to charm school because he's
Speaker 1: in line. I think he's shown more personality this year
Speaker 1: than he ever has, though, Like I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of he's getting comfortable. You can see the confidence starting
Speaker 1: to build, and I think I first noticed that his
Speaker 1: first press conference in ox narn and he stepped up
Speaker 1: on the podium and he made a witty little joke
Speaker 1: and kind of went after it. I think the confidence
Speaker 1: levels building, not only off the field, but you could
Speaker 1: see it in his play calling. When in the past,
Speaker 1: would you have seen three down linemen and then what
Speaker 1: was it? Both tackles out to the left like we saw,
Speaker 1: and I know it worked one play it and it
Speaker 1: didn't work two plays later. However, I mean that confidence
Speaker 1: level is next level for Kelvin agreeing you've seen it.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on Eric b Enemy And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good coaching candidates out there, I mean, And
Speaker 1: so to just assume he's going to be a head
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL next year, there's no guarantee of that.
Speaker 1: That's not how many jobs are open and what they're
Speaker 1: looking for. And I definitely think I could see him
Speaker 1: definitely getting more than one interview like he got last
Speaker 1: year if this offense, especially if this offense keeps on
Speaker 1: the track that they are. But you know, there's no
Speaker 1: guarantee they're losing him next year, and you know it's
Speaker 1: week two week. You want to keep you oc Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, the Cowboys, sure, as hector, Yeah, yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: wants to keep calamore. You think it's something, as they
Speaker 1: will say it, what is it? I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know the man, so I can't speak to his ability
Speaker 1: to coach other men. I don't know that. And people
Speaker 1: think that. People think of head coach, they think, oh,
Speaker 1: are you a good offensive coordinator? Are you a good
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator? That's a part of being a head coach.
Speaker 1: Majority of your main role as a head coach is
Speaker 1: to coach the men who coach the other men, all right,
Speaker 1: So your your job is to coach your coaches. That's
Speaker 1: your job. But coach Belichick made this very clear when
Speaker 1: I was annoying, that he coaches the coaches, right, and
Speaker 1: the coaches job is then to turn around, take that
Speaker 1: leadership from him and then convey that over to the players.
Speaker 1: You are a manager of men as a head coach,
Speaker 1: your CEO. You are a CEO. So if you love coaching,
Speaker 1: like in terms of like play calling, you're probably not
Speaker 1: a head coach unless you're a Sean McVay, right, and
Speaker 1: you know, like there's very few of those guys like that.
Speaker 1: He's different. But that's what But that's exactly what my point.
Speaker 1: And you see those young guys get elevated like that
Speaker 1: and the Syriannis of the world like, who are they? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: but there's I think everybody in this in this world
Speaker 1: and this room will say, we can admit that something's
Speaker 1: different about McVey, right, he has little a little to him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Kellen Moore has it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I really don't. That's what I can't sit up here
Speaker 1: and saying I can't speak to you know if he
Speaker 1: has you know, that kind of grit in that and
Speaker 1: is he outspoken enough to be a head coach? Coach
Speaker 1: Phillips is a great coach, but is he a head coach?
Speaker 1: You know? So he's a great coordinator, So it's you. You,
Speaker 1: So you look at people's abilities and say, Okay, just
Speaker 1: because they can call plays really well and they understand
Speaker 1: the game, doesn't mean that they should be in a
Speaker 1: position to manage other grown men manage. I mean Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore managing the entire staff of fifty plus year old men,
Speaker 1: that that takes a lot. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing that, because I don't know the
Speaker 1: man well enough but just understand that it's a lot
Speaker 1: more than just your ability to play call plays when
Speaker 1: he becomes the head coach, and he will, I think
Speaker 1: he will, given at some point it will be for
Speaker 1: his offensive mind and whether he's gonna call plays one
Speaker 1: day still as a head coach or not, he's going
Speaker 1: to be heavily involved, just like Sean McVay. And and
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's why he would get the job
Speaker 1: for sure. But the CEO part, that's that's what Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's doing these days. He used to call plays as
Speaker 1: the head coach and now he's even talked about it
Speaker 1: is basically it's not as much fun, but I have
Speaker 1: to That's my job is to coach the coaches and
Speaker 1: establish you know, a schedule and an approach in terms
Speaker 1: of managing guys throughout the season, and also establishing a mentality,
Speaker 1: a style of play, and a culture. That's what Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is trying to bring to this team. But he
Speaker 1: does give his coordinators a lot of autonomy. And that's
Speaker 1: a great points about both of you guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I love when anytime that you talk about Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and what he does, I think people's ears perk
Speaker 1: up because you know he's a winner. And you look
Speaker 1: at coaches like Nick Saban in the college level, I
Speaker 1: think all of these guys have one gene that's important,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the most important things is organization.
Speaker 1: These guys are supreme organizers and they're able to put
Speaker 1: these things and get things together. I think Kelln Moore
Speaker 1: is that way as well, and so I mean that's
Speaker 1: one of those like successfully's clues, this is one of those,
Speaker 1: and that's being organized and I see that in them
Speaker 1: and that culture started the shift as a general standpoint.
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about it with what Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and his task was this offseason was building that culture.
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore was a part of that culture. I think
Speaker 1: when he first got in here because the offense at
Speaker 1: Swaggery a year ago prior to losing their quarterback, it
Speaker 1: was Kellen Moore's job to kind of re establish that.
Speaker 1: But having Dak Prescott come back, so when we come back,
Speaker 1: I want to ask that same question, which one have
Speaker 1: you seen more improvement on through the first two weeks
Speaker 1: of the season to wrap things up, offense or defense?
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Speaker 1: well from my own side. But all right, Cowboys and Eagles.
Speaker 1: We've been previewing the Cowboys offense versus that Eagles defense,
Speaker 1: but now I kind of want to compare the offensive
Speaker 1: defense through two weeks between the Cowboys. We only got
Speaker 1: about five minutes here, so which one has seen the
Speaker 1: majority of the improvement through two weeks of the regular season.
Speaker 1: You can date it all the way back to camp,
Speaker 1: all the way back to the off season, but I
Speaker 1: want to know which one has come the furthest from
Speaker 1: the middle of the off season into now going into
Speaker 1: week three. I'll start with you, Heckma, Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the defense simply because of the turnovers
Speaker 1: that they've created over the last eleven games. I believe
Speaker 1: it's eleven game, yeah, eleven weeks. And I think they've
Speaker 1: done a really good job with that. Nink Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: hit emphasis on culture and competition. You see it immediately
Speaker 1: with the way that these guys getting to the ball,
Speaker 1: Guys the next man up is really competing. Um and
Speaker 1: and so I'm just I'm gonna say defense literally because
Speaker 1: the offense has been clicking since the beginning. I would
Speaker 1: say offense just because they got guys back. I mean,
Speaker 1: the defense was basically ahead of the offense throughout training
Speaker 1: camp in preseason. You get Dak Prescott back, that makes
Speaker 1: a huge difference also Amari Cooper. Um. But I'm with
Speaker 1: Heck in terms of you go all the way back
Speaker 1: to last year, this is a more in tune defense
Speaker 1: than it was. They're still giving up yards but they
Speaker 1: are taking the ball away and they're getting stops when
Speaker 1: they need to for the most part, plus fourteen in
Speaker 1: the turnover margins since those the start of those eleven games. Heck,
Speaker 1: but which is number one in the NFL at the moment.
Speaker 1: So I am not going to pick special teams an answer,
Speaker 1: I mean it could be the answers answering. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: not picking special teams. And I'm gonna go with the
Speaker 1: defense just because the expectation on offense is so high
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to, you know, see that. And
Speaker 1: I don't think we've put up the points that we
Speaker 1: really want to put up on that side of the
Speaker 1: ball yet, even though we are converting in a rezon
Speaker 1: which is awesome. Um, but um defense hands down. And
Speaker 1: we don't even have to go back to last season
Speaker 1: we just talked about just from camp, there's there is
Speaker 1: question marks in terms of what this team was going
Speaker 1: to be, and those questions are starting to get answered.
Speaker 1: I think we're starting to figure out, they're starting to
Speaker 1: figure out who what their identity is, right to culture
Speaker 1: and you know, to the swag, how you play, how
Speaker 1: everybody the next man up. That's a lot of people
Speaker 1: say that is it real on thost teams. No, on
Speaker 1: this team, it's starting to show the next man is up.
Speaker 1: And it's only been two weeks. Exactly when your first
Speaker 1: round draft pick already looks like he could be the
Speaker 1: best player on your defense by the end of the season,
Speaker 1: then that you're headed in the right direction you drafted. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good point. It's a good point. And I
Speaker 1: think I would say defense too if we're dating it back,
Speaker 1: just because of like you said, the improvement in communication.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not seeing as many blown coverages. Like
Speaker 1: Rob said, They've been giving up yards, but they're not
Speaker 1: giving up the bi big play. They're not giving it
Speaker 1: up over the top. I don't want to jinx anything
Speaker 1: going into Week three, because I mean, Philly's going to
Speaker 1: touch you deep on a couple of occasions. However, I
Speaker 1: do want to say the offense last year, whenever you
Speaker 1: lost your tackles, whenever you lost certain players on the outside,
Speaker 1: you didn't skip a beat last week with no Lyle Collins,
Speaker 1: with no Michael Gallup, and you were able to execute
Speaker 1: better than you did Week one, which is I think
Speaker 1: something that to say about that offense. So there has
Speaker 1: definitely been improvement on that side of the football. Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott has a ton to do with that, but the
Speaker 1: growth of some of the underneath guys like a Terrence
Speaker 1: Steal and a Tony Pollard certainly do as well. No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And look we have to look at the Cooper effect
Speaker 1: on that offense. I think he for all the criticism
Speaker 1: that he gets, man, he is coming in big for
Speaker 1: this offense in the first two games and been a
Speaker 1: reliable source for it. For Dak Prescott, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like when you talk about the improvements defense
Speaker 1: has been there, but to me, the offense, you still
Speaker 1: had those numbers. I mean, Coop still had ninety two
Speaker 1: catches last year, you know, I mean, which was what
Speaker 1: this fourth fourth all time for the Dallas Cowboys is
Speaker 1: only Michael Irvan, Jason Whitton and Dez Bryant. That's a
Speaker 1: good company in a year where you didn't have any
Speaker 1: tackles and you know, so, look, I just looking at
Speaker 1: the offense, I think that we still have the ability
Speaker 1: even when we didn't have all of our guns. I
Speaker 1: think defensively we just didn't have anything. And you see
Speaker 1: the resurgence. I see these guys playing with faith and
Speaker 1: belief in one another, and we didn't have that last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are gonna have to do it without
Speaker 1: key On O'Neill this week, and they've got a couple
Speaker 1: other guys missing, so they have to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Maybe no Dorian's Armstrong or Carlos Watkins either, Cooper, let's
Speaker 1: not talk about that. Let's not talk about it, but yes,
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