1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Part two of the movie bats meeting with Dave Roberts, 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: and Andrew Friedman was in there too, because he was around, 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: and apparently he was just telling him like his swing 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: feels good, and Roberts was like, yeah, he pops into 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: my office all the time. I hope too much wasn't 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: made of that. It was because it's the most talked 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: about team in baseball on the planet. We talked about it. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Do we believe them? I appreciate them doing this, what 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: being transparent? 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it because people had already seen it, 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: so it wasn't like it was a hidden thing. 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 3: I appreciate them doing. Look. 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: I played for the Red Sox once and we had 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: lost the game to the Yankees, and I went in 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: I wented toil. All the media was gone, and I 16 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: went into John Farrell's office and Ben Cherrington I think, no, 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: I don't think Cherrington was in there, but John Farrell 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: was in there and some other coaches, and we had 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: we just talked about what we're thinking of what I 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: was seeing. And Astros scored, by the way, hey, but 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: and we were just talking about it and the next 22 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: day the media comes up to was on one media 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: person around in the clubhouse and the media comes up 24 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: to me the next day and goes, so, what was 25 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: your meeting about with Farrell? He said, he called you 26 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: into a meeting and I was like what, And then 27 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: he walked by me. What did you say? He was 28 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: sorry I had to tell him and I was like, no, 29 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: you didn't have to tell him. And it wasn't anything 30 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: other than just talking about the team and giving you know, 31 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: they wanted to know my opinion on stuff, but there 32 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 2: was no media there. So I appreciate the Dodgers being 33 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: upfront and kind of open about this, Like and by 34 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: the way, if you have closed our meetings and players, 35 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: you don't have to tell the media. 36 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: I had to. 37 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: You don't have to. Okay, you don't have to tell 38 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: the media. 39 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: Was he was he held at gunpoint? 40 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, well he was at the time, but 41 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: I was like, what do you have to tell him? 42 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: That was a personal mute situation. 43 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it, but. 44 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 4: How was that kid at the National Championship game where 45 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: he said to me, because I'm good? 46 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: So what'd you say? 47 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: I'm good? 48 00:01:59,280 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: That was? 49 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: That was good and aj But. 50 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: No, I'm serious, though I appreciate this is it is. 51 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: Mookie said it, Dave Roberts said it, and uh Jeez 52 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: Friedman said it. Yeah, they're on the same page at least. 53 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: But they they did it in front of everybody. Fine, 54 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: this wasn't a closed door thing. This wasn't where nobody 55 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: was around. So they answered the questions and how we 56 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: move on, like, you gotta trust them, you gotta take them, 57 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: you gotta take them with their word. 58 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: Okay, coming up next, Yes, Kratz, I think we got 59 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: twenty seconds. 60 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: What do you got? 61 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: The word right field was definitely mentioned in that meeting. 62 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 4: Come on, stop two. 63 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: Balls that weren't caught. 64 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 4: The word was the word was mentioned. 65 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: It was said, I don't know what context. 66 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: Come on. 67 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: Front Office unfiltered with our resident GM, Jim Bowden, who's 68 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: wearing sweatshirt. 69 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: Sweatshirt that looks good on him? 70 00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 5: What is that? 71 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: FG at Great shot dot com? T baby, that's fantastically 72 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: you look great, JB. Wow, you just made my day. 73 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: I am pumped, and I'm also pumped because I nerd 74 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: out about these topics and I remember your article that 75 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: went super viral for articles a couple of years ago 76 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: about realignment, and then of course the commissioner basically just 77 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: reminded everyone that it's still going to be a thing, 78 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: and it blew up again. I'm nerding out about this, JB. 79 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: And then your colleague Stephen Nesbit at The Athletic put 80 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: out his version of realignment last night, So let's dive 81 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: into this for a few minutes. What do you think 82 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: of what Nesbit put out there to try and preserve 83 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 1: most of what the American League and National League looks 84 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: like right now? And as you're talking through it will 85 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: show full screen graphics so people can comprehend it. 86 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think what he did is exactly what most 87 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 5: of the clubs would like to see with geographic realignment, 88 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 5: which is not radical realignment, right, It's kind of let's 89 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 5: try to preserve the American League in the National League 90 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 5: and do it in such a way that will ruffle 91 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 5: less feathers with the owners. That's kind of what it was. 92 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: And you look at it. Look, it makes sense what 93 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 5: I wrote two years ago in The Athletic, and I 94 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 5: stand by it is a more radical approach. And here's 95 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 5: my feeling on this. If you're going to realign, then 96 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 5: blow it up and start over, right, Because if you 97 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 5: really want to do geographic realignment, then put the teams 98 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 5: as close together as you possibly can. Right, So in 99 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 5: my view, that's eight divisions, four teams each. That's thirty two. 100 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 5: And it's okay to take Dodgers, Angels, Padres, Diamondbacks and 101 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 5: put them all in one spot, right It's okay if 102 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 5: you want to take San Francisco, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Colorado, 103 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 5: put them in one spot. I just feel like, and look, 104 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 5: I know people don't want to see the Yankees, Mets, 105 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 5: Philly's Red Sox in one division, But if you're going 106 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 5: to do it geographically, and you really want to legitimately 107 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 5: cut down on travel for the wear and tear of 108 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 5: the players and the traveling parties, then why not just 109 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 5: do it like the NBA does. You have an Eastern Conference, 110 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 5: you have a Western Conference, and then you break them 111 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 5: up and the schedule will be a lot easier. I 112 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 5: think the TV ratings would be a lot better. And 113 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 5: I think if you're going to do it, that's how 114 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 5: you should do it. But I understand, you know what 115 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 5: Nesbit tried to do here, and I think he's representing 116 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 5: most of the teams and most of the people in 117 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 5: the Commissioner's office on kind of how they envision it 118 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 5: without completely blowing it up. But I say, if you're 119 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 5: going to do it, blow it. 120 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: Up, well, and I'm with you, okay on the radical 121 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: part of the realignment plan. Here's where I want to 122 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: get your perspective and push back. Would owners actually like 123 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: this more traditional plan that doesn't ruffle feathers of where 124 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: they're at right now, or would they like the plan 125 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: that's more radical that, like you mentioned, saves significant money 126 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: on travel. And it's not just an opinion, it's a fact. 127 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: It will lead two better ratings, not only because of 128 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: some of the matchups, but because of the time zones, 129 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: which Commissioner Rob Manford actually mentioned in that conversation the 130 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: other day. They are paying attention to how often someone 131 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: on the East Coast has to watch a game that 132 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: starts at ten pm East Coast time, and they would 133 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: like to limit that. So again I'm going back to 134 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: the radical plan and saying, do honors even want the 135 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: traditional thing or do they want the most money possible? 136 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, look, I had also put a proposal 137 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 5: into the athletic because I wanted to as soon as 138 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 5: Commissioner Manford made that comment on Sunday Night Baseball on 139 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 5: the ESPN, I said, let me go back to my 140 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 5: article that I wrote in twenty three and let me 141 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 5: update it. Now that we know the Athletics are going 142 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 5: to Las Vegas, then it looks like Salt Lake City 143 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 5: and Nashville probably going to be the two expansion teams, 144 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: and let me take another take at it. And they 145 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 5: chose not to have me do that. They had Nesbit 146 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 5: do it instead. And so when I look at it, 147 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 5: you know, I think he's representing a more conservative way 148 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 5: that you could do it. I don't know what each 149 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 5: owner thinks, but I'm with you on this and that's 150 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 5: where I wrote it two years ago. I think, if 151 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 5: you're going to do it, let's do it the right way, 152 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 5: and that would be put the teams as close together 153 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 5: as you can in the same time zone them. If 154 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 5: you do it Eastern Conference, Western Conference. It's not just 155 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 5: the divisions, it's the fact that you have the entire 156 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 5: West Coast in both leagues now in one conference. 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You 182 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: deserve quality care from someone who cares. 183 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: All right, I'm with you on this one, Jim. 184 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: I'm with you as far as like, if you're going 185 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: to do it, just make it crazy, because that way, 186 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: if you have twenty owners bitching, that's better than just 187 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: having two as far as I'm concern because then all 188 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: the other twenty of them could look at you and say, well, 189 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: you can't complain, and you can't complain because I had. 190 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: To switch this and all that. 191 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: So I agree with you, you're going to do it, 192 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: make it crazy, and Okay, here's my thing that a 193 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: question that I had and when we talk talked about 194 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: this kind of yesterday was so if you go Eastern 195 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: West you get rid of AL and N. I'll fine, Fine, 196 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: that's what you want to do, I'm fine with it. 197 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: So would the East Eastern Conference teams only play one 198 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: series a year against the Western Conference teams or Western 199 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: League or Eastern League or whatever there it is an 200 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: Eastern League, so you can't call it the Eastern League. 201 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: So you know, like what East and West Conference, East 202 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: and West, whatever the hell you want to call it. 203 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: But with the East teams only play once against the 204 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: West and when they only travel West every other year 205 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: to play each team. How would they break that down 206 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: so it would be more East heavy against CE See 207 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: where I'm getting out, Like, would be more East heavy? 208 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: And I liked your divisions better because I want Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, 209 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: who was it, Blue Jays? I think we're the four 210 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: you had in the East. Yeah, give me the four heavyweights. 211 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: Give me the four heavyweights in the same like in 212 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: this one, he's got Mets, Phillies, Pirates, Nationals, Like the 213 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: Pirates are like, no, thank you. We can't compete with 214 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: those teams. 215 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: That just doesn't sound funny there, I know that. 216 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: I mean Orioles, Red Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays. I can 217 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: get on board with that. That's basically the Al East. 218 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: Now you know Ale North is the same pretty much. 219 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 6: But I don't know, like, let's make make you know what, 220 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 6: why don't we do this instead, Jim high high big 221 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 6: market small market conference and let the big market play 222 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 6: against each other, the small market play against other in 223 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 6: the world series. 224 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: Big market wins. 225 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, look, I actually gave that some thought 226 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 5: when I was GM in the Cincinnati Reds. I was 227 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 5: trying to argue, you know, let me put me in 228 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 5: a market with teams that are paying the same amount 229 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 5: of payroll that I am. So you know, we can 230 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 5: laugh at it, but obviously I think geographically is how 231 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 5: we should do it. And to your point, I think 232 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 5: you play most of your games in the Eastern Conference 233 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 5: and you stay there, and yes, you play one series 234 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 5: perhaps one year on the road and the next year 235 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 5: on the road against those other teams, but maximize the 236 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 5: amount of games that you have in your time zone. 237 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 5: I think that's the way to do it. 238 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: Okay, JB. 239 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 5: One push back. 240 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what you're gonna say, but you 241 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: mentioned time zones. But if you look, can we pull 242 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: up that Western Conference graphic again? Okay, so the Midwest 243 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: Division is on Central time zone. You said, playing your 244 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: conference in your time zone. The West Division is two 245 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: time zones behind the only honestly, JB, this only affects 246 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: two teams, and I said this yesterday. The Astros and 247 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: the Rangers are the only team that plays two in 248 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: the division with two time zone difference. The rest of these, 249 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: like the AL Central, the NL East, all of them 250 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: are pretty much in the same time zone. So we 251 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: need to go time zone argument that's where it loses 252 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: me because if the White Sox got to travel four 253 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: three times a year to the West Coast, they're losing 254 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: two time zones back. 255 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Cobs, White Sox, those central teams there are 256 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: going to play a lot of West Coast teams. But 257 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: there's no perfect solution here. 258 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: That's why I'm that's what we can ask the questions 259 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: about these things. 260 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 5: So I'm going to be answer well, and the answer 261 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 5: I have the same answer. I mean, we can't make 262 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 5: it perfect. It just doesn't work out perfectly. But you 263 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 5: do the best you can with the the thirty two 264 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 5: teams that you have, and you try to limit the 265 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 5: amount of games you have outside of your particular time zones, 266 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 5: and you try to hope that you can put the 267 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 5: time zones and only one hour difference, you know, closer 268 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 5: together rather than having the three hour difference, which is 269 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 5: really with a big problem is. 270 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: JB. Some pushback I've seen is about preserving rivalries, and 271 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: I think there's a good point on one or two 272 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: of them. Most of them I think would create new 273 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: rivalries that would be awesome, Okay, and we've seen that 274 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: already anyway, Like the Astras weren't in the Al West 275 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: for a billion years, and now we love Astros Rangers 276 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: and what that brings to the table in the Al West. 277 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 5: That's my pushback. 278 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: But I will bring up an example that's hot on 279 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: the West Coast, and your colleague Grant Brisbee actually wrote 280 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: about this in The Athletic as well. I read last night. 281 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: He's like, we gotta keep Giants Dodgers together again? Is 282 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: that just going to be a victim of the system 283 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: where it's northern California and you need to bunch some 284 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: of those teams together up there and separate them from 285 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: the Dodgers. 286 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I'm sorry, but yeah, we have to break 287 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 5: it up. You know what, I'd rather see Dodger Padres 288 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 5: right now. Anyway. I think it's a better rivalry. And 289 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 5: I know, growing up and for years it's always been 290 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 5: Dodgers Giants, I get it. But we're in twenty twenty five. 291 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 5: I actually like, I can't wait till this weekend, right, 292 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 5: Dodgers are going to play the Padres at Petco. I 293 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 5: think that's a better rivalry than if the Dodgers were 294 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 5: playing the Giants. So I mean, yeah, I mean again, 295 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 5: we can't make it perfect, But I think geographically I 296 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 5: want to see Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Diamondbacks. It just works 297 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 5: better with them there where San Francisco works better taking 298 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 5: care of Salt Lake City, Colorado, Seattle, et cetera. I 299 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 5: think when you break it. 300 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 4: Down, ultimately this is going to be the commissioner's decision. 301 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 4: But the commissioner's the boss of or he works for 302 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 4: the owners. Are there owners that have more or less sway? 303 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,119 Speaker 4: Kind of like the NFL in these types of decisions, 304 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 4: because I know they always put out the front Oh, 305 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: we voted thirty to zero, so we all agree, which 306 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 4: we know that's not the case. 307 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, there's always been owners that are more influential 308 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 5: than others. I mean, that's always been a fact of 309 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 5: baseball forever and ever. I mean, as you probably know 310 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 5: aj from your Chicago days, Jerry Reinsdorf had as much 311 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: power and pull with commissioner stealing as anybody did back then. 312 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 5: So you know, I think Commissioner Manford understands he works 313 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 5: for all thirty owners. There are some, obviously that are 314 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 5: more powerful than others and that have more clout, But 315 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you know, he's got 316 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 5: to make sure he satisfies three fourths, right, because that's 317 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 5: what it takes to make most of these changes or 318 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 5: most of these votings. And once they get the three fourths, then, 319 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 5: as you know, is everything is unanimous. 320 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: I've got a good one for you. JB. Genuinely curious 321 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: about this, and I've seen many comments about this. Does 322 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: a team, ownership wise want to be in a crappy 323 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: division or do they want to be in a division 324 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: where they think TV ratings and fans visiting from out 325 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: of town will pop. I'll give you an example. Baltimore 326 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: in your situation, moves out of playing against the Yankees, 327 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: the Red Sox, the Blue Jays, right, and they're playing 328 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: against teams like DC. Okay, I get that, and I 329 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: think that can be you know, a rivalry that sparks 330 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: up with the Nats, Charlotte, Pittsburgh. So I'll give you 331 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: one more in stephen nesbit scenario, He's got the Braves 332 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: moving to the National League South with the Marlins, whatever 333 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: expansion team comes out of the Southeast with with say 334 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Nashville or Riley Durham, and then the Race and Braves 335 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: fans were battling online. Some of them are like, this 336 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: is the best thing ever. We're gonna have crappier teams. 337 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: Yes, the Braves are like yes. 338 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: And but others were like, does ownership want this publicly 339 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: traded company? They want to get rid of games against 340 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: the Mets and the Phillies. 341 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 5: What do you think? So I'm going to go back 342 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 5: in history, and if you remember, we used to have 343 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 5: the East and West right, and then we added the Central. 344 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 5: And if you remember, back in the day, John Hart 345 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 5: was the GM of the Cleveland then called the Indians, 346 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 5: and he did a phenomenal job with those Indians teams, 347 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 5: getting them to the postseason, signing long term deals, building 348 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 5: you know, incredible lineups that had Albert Bell and Kenny 349 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 5: Lofton and vis Kel and Bierga and just great, great 350 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 5: offensive teams during that time span. The best decision John 351 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 5: Hard ever made, and he told me this at the time, 352 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 5: the best decision he made in his career as an 353 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 5: executive was the decision to push for the Indians to 354 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 5: be in the Central and not the East. They wanted 355 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 5: to be in these there was a big debate of 356 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 5: who was going to go to the East, Toronto or Cleveland. 357 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 5: Cleveland fought hard to go to the Central because they 358 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 5: knew they had a better chance of winning. They knew 359 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 5: if they win the division with the Yankees and the 360 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 5: Red Sox and the big markets, it was going to 361 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,239 Speaker 5: be tough. It was a huge de decision for the organization. 362 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 5: How many times have we seen them in the postseason 363 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 5: since in which they wouldn't have gotten there had they 364 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 5: been in the same division in the East. And I 365 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 5: think baseball people would prefer to be in a division 366 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 5: where they have the best chance of winning. Sorry, Now, 367 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 5: as an owner, I care about the bottom line, so 368 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 5: you have to measure if I'm on the East and 369 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 5: I'm getting the draw of the Yankee fans and the 370 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 5: Red Sox fans, what's the bottom line? But at the 371 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 5: end of the day, if you're running a franchise, fans 372 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 5: want to win, period. They don't care who you're winning against. 373 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 5: They want to win. They want to be in the postseason. 374 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 5: They want a chance for the World Series. So I 375 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 5: think if I'm sitting there as an owner a GM 376 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 5: and you asked me where I want to go, let 377 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: me be in the same division as the Pittsburgh Pirates, 378 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 5: the Rockies, and the Athletics. Thank you very much. 379 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: We'll call that. 380 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 5: By the way, I wanted to jump that. 381 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: I said. 382 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 5: I wanted to jump in your earlier conversation before I 383 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 5: came on, because you guys were talking about Mookie Bets 384 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 5: ninety nine percent. I can guarantee you that meeting took 385 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 5: place was about Mooki Betts moving back to right field. 386 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 5: I can promise you that Andrew Friedman didn't go down 387 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 5: there to check on Mookie Betts's swing. I can promise 388 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 5: you that that front office has been watching the defense 389 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 5: of Tiu and right field, and they're watching Conford to 390 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 5: hit nothing in left field, and they're sitting Andrew's sitting 391 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 5: there with only a two game lead, with a team 392 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 5: that he's put together going to go. I can't watch 393 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 5: his defense anymore. But you certainly can't just move Mooki 394 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 5: to right without putting him in there so they can 395 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 5: say whatever they want to say, and believe me, I 396 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 5: was at GM for sixteen and a half years I 397 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 5: did the same thing. I'm going to come out and 398 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 5: publicly and protect everybody right because I don't want to 399 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 5: put the player on the spot and make it that 400 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 5: he didn't want to play right. I get all that, 401 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 5: but come on. We all know what that meeting was. 402 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 5: You can spin in any way you want it. 403 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 3: I know we were trying to. 404 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: I was trying to be positive, Okay, j just to 405 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: give him the benefit of the doubt. Okay, we all know. 406 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: We just didn't want to sit crest his credit said it. 407 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: We just didn't want to. Now I want to go 408 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: to some You said you were a GM for a 409 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: long time. Did you ever manipulate service time? Because I 410 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: feel like with Maasaio, with Taba Chandler coming up recently 411 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: after the forty five day things, they can still be 412 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: a rookie year, right, Oh and Casey's another one. Does 413 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: this really happen? And then my next question is they said, 414 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: Puba Chaydler's going to be the long guy. Why don't 415 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: you just let him get seven or eight starts in 416 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 2: the big league if he's going to be a starter. 417 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 5: Yeah. So, I mean, I can tell you in my career, 418 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 5: and anyone that was with me knows this is that 419 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 5: I would never manipulate service time. I love players. I 420 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 5: always felt that if a young player is ready to 421 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 5: come to the big leagues, he goes to the big leagues. 422 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 5: When I drafted Ryan Zimmerman with Washington. I drafted him 423 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 5: in JUNI was in the big leagues in September, and 424 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 5: I even had my HO manager, Frank Robinson, asked me 425 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 5: not to bring him up because he said he couldn't 426 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 5: be ready and we shouldn't start the service time. I said, well, 427 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 5: we're going to start it because this kid can hit 428 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 5: and he can play defense right now in the big league. 429 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 5: So I'm one the other way around. Same thing with incentives. 430 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 5: If I put incentives at a player contract, I want 431 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 5: the player to get all of them because if that happens, 432 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 5: then we all win. So that was me, But I 433 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 5: will tell you many many small market gms, many owners 434 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: will absolutely one hundred percent use the system to their advantage. 435 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 5: You can call it manipulating, or you can call it 436 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 5: running a business, which a lot of them do, which is, yeah, 437 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 5: we're not we're going to make sure you're not a 438 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 5: super two. We're gonna make sure we get the extra 439 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 5: year free agency. Uh, we are going to do everything 440 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 5: we can to protect ourselves with service time. And you 441 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 5: know there is a lot of times and we saw 442 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 5: theo Epstein do it with the Cubs with Bryant, Chris 443 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 5: Bryant if you remember, you know, kept him out. Now 444 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 5: that went to arbitration, and the arbitrator ruled in favor 445 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 5: of the team. It's really hard to prove, but you 446 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 5: know what, at theo wan he wanted that extra year 447 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 5: of protection and free agency, and he did it. And 448 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 5: a lot of teams do that. That's why all of 449 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 5: a sudden in June, ooh, why are all these prospects 450 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 5: being promoted at the same time. It's because we don't 451 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 5: want you to be a Super two. Some guys don't 452 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 5: get promoted till April twenty fifth, so we make sure 453 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 5: we get that extra year of control. Happens all the time. 454 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 5: I wasn't a believer in it because I kind of 455 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 5: believe that the CBA was negotiating good faith, which and 456 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 5: I think every GM owes it to the players and 457 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 5: the fan base to have the best twenty six players 458 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 5: on the roster that you can. And you shouldn't hold 459 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 5: that against a player if he's good enough and ready 460 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 5: to play in the big leagues. And I've always respect 461 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 5: the other presidents and gms that handle it the same 462 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 5: way because many do. 463 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: JB. 464 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: Victa. 465 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 4: Roblace threw his bat at the pitcher got a ten 466 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 4: game suspension in the heat of the moment. Everybody does 467 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 4: things that you know you shouldn't do. That's behind us. 468 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 4: How do you deal with the fact that his roster 469 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: spot is going to take up a team's roster spot 470 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 4: and you're in the playoff hunt. You are a team 471 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 4: that needs every single guy healthy on the roster. 472 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, I hadn't seen anybody do that since Bert 473 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 5: Camp and Eiras did it right back in the day. 474 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 5: I mean, this is just ugly unacceptable, and you know, 475 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 5: I'm surprised it was just ten games. To be honest, 476 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 5: I don't think the team should be penalized for what 477 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,239 Speaker 5: Victor Roebliz did on rehab. I kind of had an 478 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 5: issue with that, but it is what it is, and 479 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 5: you've got to sit there as an executive and you 480 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 5: got to abide by what the rules are. But when 481 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 5: Roblaze did you you just can't do that. I'm sorry. 482 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 5: Not with the bat. 483 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: He's also part of a team, So this is the 484 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: way for them to show make him feel sorry, because 485 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: if he's just suspended for ten days on rehab, he 486 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 2: just starts his rehab over in ten days and moves on. 487 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: So it's I get why they did what they did. 488 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: I think it maybe should have been longer. 489 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: But but you don't lose the spot if you had 490 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: popped for p D So why for this? 491 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: That's just cb a thing. I can't answer that. 492 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: Right, JB that why is there a difference in punishments. 493 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: Because it's collectively bargained in the p D s. That's 494 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 5: the difference. 495 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: Okay, Jim, before you go, I got it out. 496 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 2: Would you have Bubba Chandler as a bulk guy or 497 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: would you have him as a starter if he's gonna 498 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: be a starter of the future. 499 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to start. 500 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, how are they doing that? 501 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: I just don't get that. 502 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: What's the point in the. 503 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, this, this kid's going to be a star. That's 504 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 5: that fastball is nasty, the sliders well improved. You know, 505 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 5: he should have been in the big leagues months ago 506 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 5: for me. But you know, I'm a big believer with 507 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 5: those starters. Let's start them, and let's pitch him deep 508 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 5: into games and let's take care of them, build them 509 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 5: up the two hundred things as soon as you can, 510 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 5: and go forward. I can't wait to watch him. It's 511 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 5: it's gonna be it's gonna be special. He's really talented. 512 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. You have pirates, fans need something to 513 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: cheer for. You've got some special starters, right right, But 514 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: like at least you've got some young starters that you 515 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: can get excited about. Can they fix the offense? 516 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 5: And you're gonna get Jared Jones back next year too, right, 517 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 5: So Jones Chaman Deans, that's a pretty good trio. Now 518 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 5: go get some offense. Bob Letting go spend some money, 519 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 5: but Ben Jerrington spend some money. 520 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: Not that hard, not that one time, one time, one time, 521 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: and they cleared the key Brian Hayes money. Maybe they'll 522 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: trade Reynolds in the off season, but one time, if they. 523 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: Trade those guys, then they got to start over. 524 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: Well Hayes wasn't hitting for them, I know, but Brian. 525 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: Reynolds and you gotta start over. That's why I mean, 526 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: if you're like, oh, they'll trade in the off season, 527 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: they're not gonna use that money if they get rid 528 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: of Reynolds contract, They're not gonna take whatever's left seventy 529 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: million and throw it into another player. 530 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: We know that. 531 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: So I'd rather haven't keep them. At least I know 532 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: they got a good big league player. 533 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: One part here, JB before you reply, because I have 534 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: read they did some good articles on like how bub 535 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: Bob Nutting operates, and it's like it's all about like 536 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: how how much did the team make this year and 537 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: doing it to a t Okay, this is how much 538 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: we'll spend, which is usually nothing. They have not made 539 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: as much money as they thought this year. So I 540 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: do agree with aj on that even if they trade Reynolds, 541 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: are they really going to sign a major free agent? 542 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 5: No? No, but they don't need to sign a major 543 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 5: free agent. But they need to do a better job 544 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 5: of at least getting average major league players at every position. 545 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 5: You know, you don't have to go out there and 546 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 5: get the thirty million dollar year players you can't afford, 547 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 5: but you could certainly add more ten million dollars twelve 548 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 5: million dollar players and try to get some offense. You've 549 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 5: got to at least make an attempt, and they just don't, 550 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 5: and they need to. It's embarrassing. And when you have 551 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 5: pitching like this, you know, at some point winning matters. 552 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 5: You know you're only drawing when schemes pitches. So now 553 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 5: you're going to have a good young rotation. Again, you 554 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 5: don't have to go spend one hundred million dollars, but 555 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 5: for Pete's sake, you got to be a little bit 556 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 5: more competitive. And there's a time when you're an owner 557 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 5: that it's okay to lose money. Like every team that 558 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 5: I was with at certain years would lose money, make 559 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 5: it up another year. But during these schemes years, you're 560 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 5: not gonna have schemes more than two more years before 561 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 5: you have to trade them. You're not because you're not 562 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 5: going to give them the four and a million that's 563 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 5: going to take to sign them. So that being the case, 564 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 5: you have a little bit of a window here, lose 565 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 5: a little bit extra money the next couple of years, 566 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 5: and then go back to your old ways if that's 567 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 5: what you think you have to do. In the meantime, 568 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 5: let's hope the next CBA has a floor, a major 569 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 5: league floor for salary. Please talking about Oh my gosh, 570 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 5: anybody should be talking about the floor, not the cap. 571 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: We already have a soft cap. It's all the luxuries. 572 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: Have a hard floor. Software is no good because a. 573 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: Software is still better than nothing because you have penalized 574 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: the hard The soft cap penalizes you for spending too much. 575 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: A software would would penalize you in money for not 576 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: spending enough. And the cheap people don't want to get 577 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: charged for not spending enough, so they'll spend more. So 578 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: if you can't get a hard or get a software, 579 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: it's better than no floor. 580 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 4: That's my sales. 581 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: The problem is there's no software without a hard tap 582 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. We'll get to that. We got plenty 583 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: of wins. 584 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: We had a whole year. 585 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: We got plenty of that. But JB, this was good. 586 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: This was good. You were cooking. The realignment was fun. 587 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for stopping by. Its always be sweatshirt and I 588 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: love your sweatshirts. Thanks JB.