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Speaker 1: Ron Anian timing belts are still a very misunderstood component.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to know a lot about them. Think

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Speaker 1: about a bicycle. You've got two sprockets with a chain.

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Speaker 1: That's basically a timing belt.

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Speaker 2: Oh Lord.

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Speaker 3: On the store, the car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: If you've got a full tank twenty gallons twenty four gallons,

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 4: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 4: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up.

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Speaker 3: The phone and call in. The garage doors are open.

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Speaker 1: But I am here to take your calls at eight

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Speaker 1: did I ever tell you what the hardest vehicle in

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Speaker 1: the world is to repair? Hello, and welcome Ronning any

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Speaker 1: and the Car Doctor here at eight five five five

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Speaker 3: We'll call you back, hook you up.

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Speaker 1: Get you in queue, and we'll talk about your problem

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Speaker 1: here on national radio and solve it for you, and

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Speaker 1: you'll help educate everybody else on this radio show. I

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Speaker 1: encourage you to take everything you've learned about cars so

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Speaker 1: because you're going to learn something new every week right here.

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Speaker 1: Mechanics and the people that repair cars all know the

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Speaker 1: answer already to that question about what's the hardest vehicle

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Speaker 1: to repair. The hardest vehicle to repair is the one

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Speaker 1: that someone else tried to and now it's your problem.

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Speaker 1: Twenty forty one to fifty van was towed into Ari

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Speaker 1: Automotive this week and all the elements for pain were there.

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Speaker 1: The check engine light was on, the engine had just

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Speaker 1: do you start to diagnose this? And obviously the point

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Speaker 1: begin with gathering information. You've got to learn, you've got

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Speaker 1: to know what's good, You've got to know what's bad.

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Speaker 1: During the process of hunting and gathering. As I like

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Speaker 3: Ron and ENnie and the car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: I posted a picture of the tool that we use

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Speaker 1: just an attachment to a propane bottle and you take

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Speaker 1: Like you knew the kid was getting sick. Bottom line,

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Speaker 1: And after that pro paying testing, it was real simple.

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Speaker 1: right after this. I'm ronning Andy and the car doctor.

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Speaker 2: Don't go away.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in the car doctor. Here at a five five, five,

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Speaker 1: to Vic and Lewis and Idaho. Vic.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the card doctor, sir. How can I help?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hither, thanks for taking my call. I've got an

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Speaker 5: interesting problem because I've got two cars. One I drive

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, nice car.

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Speaker 5: And my question is this, then that car's going on

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Speaker 5: So it's going on four years old, but it's only

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Speaker 5: I don't believe oil goes bad as such just for sitting.

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Speaker 5: So my question is what do I do with a

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Speaker 5: on it as far as fluid changes, I'm thinking radiator

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Speaker 1: Here, well, I'm thinking radiator, break trans oil, all the fluids.

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Speaker 3: A year is a great idea. You know, Vick and

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Speaker 3: I get it all right.

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Speaker 1: Some of you out there think oil doesn't go bad

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Speaker 1: moisture condenses inside the engine around the crank case. Moisture

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Speaker 1: So if it's going six thousand miles a year, the

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Speaker 1: it's a hot rod fifty five Chevy. Obviously, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: changed the covers. I had the covers off. There were droplets.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking tiny.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was easily three tea spoons of water

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Speaker 5: That sits Oh wow, that really that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, so we're talking all fluids as if the

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Speaker 5: this six thousand was accumulated over a period of almost.

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Speaker 3: Four years, right, absolutely, you know.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so all fluids.

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Speaker 3: All fluid, all fluids.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and that because radio is five years they say

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Speaker 5: or whatever. But the bottom line again, that included radiator.

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Speaker 5: And then sure this is all wheel drive and all that,

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Speaker 5: so all that stuff absolutely, And oh boy, I'm sure glad,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure glad I found that out because I'm thinking

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Speaker 5: put it back in the groundin Noh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely you you absolutely positively want to change fluids

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Speaker 1: on some sort of timetable, more so than mileage, you know.

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Speaker 3: The vehicle ages. You know, Vick, if you sat in

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Speaker 1: For four years, age you would age sitting there.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Well, and you're just like the car, and the

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Speaker 5: Amazing, Well that answers a question. One last quickie show

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Speaker 5: this car, Like I say, you know a person would

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Speaker 5: families said, add, no big deal, Well hit the gas pedal.

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Speaker 5: You'll find out what the big deal is. Oh sure,

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Speaker 5: on this show, it's amazing twin turbo chargers and all that. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: is there a performance chip that might give me a

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Speaker 5: my mind. I've read horror stories on performance chips. They'll

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Speaker 5: screw up the computer, They'll have the dashlight come on constantly,

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Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, is there a quality performance

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Speaker 5: ship that will actually give you a little more performance

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Speaker 1: I think before I chipped it VIC and you know

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Speaker 1: I'm a little skitterish, especially on a newer vehicle tying

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Speaker 3: There's no physical chip you can.

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Speaker 1: Put into that process, or it would have to be

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Speaker 1: If it's if it's available at all, if if we

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Speaker 1: the Titanic, you don't really need it. I would have

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Speaker 1: a K and N air filter kit or an intake kit.

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Speaker 1: If they make a cann Air intake kit for this vehicle,

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Speaker 1: you could actually go to Kannefilters dot com and look

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Speaker 5: If I've already put in the cold air and takes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then you're probably.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think I just better leave well enough a right,

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Speaker 5: because this thing runs like a streak jack rabbit. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: you answered my question, and I just want a dad.

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Speaker 5: I really appreciate what you're doing for the general public

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Speaker 5: as far as vehicle stuff. And if I can add

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Speaker 5: coup Hey. Vic, I'm sorry you, Vic.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, babe. I gotta cut you short. And I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the sentiment. But the clock's going to take me.

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Speaker 1: I'm running dy in the car.

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Speaker 2: Doctor, We'll be right back