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Speaker 2: more in moodies dot com. Hello everybody, Welcome to Draft season.

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Speaker 2: John Schmelk joined as always by Tony Pauline from sports Kita,

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Speaker 2: as we continue to get you ready for the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 2: Tony Fun, weekend of playoff, NFL football Fun Thursday and

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Speaker 2: Friday Night of college football. We're recording this on Monday,

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Speaker 2: so we don't know the result of the Monday night

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Speaker 2: game yet, but you know, I'm not sure we've ever

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Speaker 2: had five straight days of high quality football games like

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Speaker 2: this before, and frankly, in my lifetime, it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I could sign up for this. This is nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna talk primarily about the college games because

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Speaker 3: I watched a lot of film.

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Speaker 4: I was in and out of the NFL games.

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Speaker 3: But exciting games and really some great and not so

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Speaker 3: great performances by guys that we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 3: for the next couple of months in the lead up

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Speaker 3: to the twenty twenty five draft. And besides those games,

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Speaker 3: some pretty impactful news after those games or outside of

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Speaker 2: So why don't we start the news first, Tony? Do

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Speaker 2: you want to go there first? That works for you.

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Speaker 2: We heard some guys coming in, some guys not going in.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you go through the guys that caught your eye?

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously the first one would be Carson Beck who

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Speaker 3: said he was going to enter the draft. We both

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Speaker 3: in the transfer portal, he's announced that he's transferring to Miami.

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Speaker 3: I'm told there's also an NIL deal there which is

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Speaker 3: good decision for Carson Beck because, as we both said,

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four after the elbow injury the UCL surgery,

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Speaker 3: would have been the worst possible move he could make.

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Speaker 3: He now goes to Miami. He's gonna get another year

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Speaker 3: And when you think about it, I mean, not only

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Speaker 3: is this the same avenue, the same road that cam

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Speaker 3: Ward take took, but when you look at your highest

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Speaker 3: rated quarterback, no, I'm sorry, your quarterbacks who are really

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Speaker 3: You talk about cam Ward obviously transferring from Washington State

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Speaker 3: Is something too that sometimes the grass can be greener.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great move by Beck.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, his savings account, his checking account's going to agree,

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Speaker 3: he should be applauded for it.

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Speaker 2: Now, Tony Chraig, I didn't see anything official. I know

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Speaker 2: before the game he said he was coming out regardless.

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Speaker 2: Has quin yours made official that he's coming out yet

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Speaker 1: I have not seen.

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Speaker 3: And my information in the lead up was that he

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Speaker 2: And well we'll see if Kelvin Banks's offensive tackle or

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Speaker 4: I mean that's the way it looks.

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's get to that game, then, Tony

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame in Penn State. I think you have to

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Speaker 1: Do you want to starw with Notre Dame or Penn State?

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to go?

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Speaker 4: Let's go with the winners first, gig gig to the winners,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I don't know if we're gonna have around.

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Speaker 2: I know we're not gonna have a round one pick

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Speaker 3: Round There was no Round one pick from Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: In the game.

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Speaker 1: That good point.

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Speaker 2: So why don't we start, I guess with the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You know Ryley Landers coming out. We're gonna see him

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Speaker 2: But he's a guy that makes the plays, especially on

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Speaker 1: I said he's not gonna be a one. He's not

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Speaker 3: So you know, if he goes into the senior ball

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: But again, the quarterback position, you know, as we see,

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Speaker 4: He was efficient.

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Speaker 3: You know, he moved the ball, he did what was necessary,

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Speaker 3: And you know, he's got the physical ability and as

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Speaker 3: And now you throw in that those leadership in tangibles

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Speaker 2: I want Mitchell Evans because he was a guy that

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Speaker 1: Big guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll see you about the athletic testing and

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Speaker 2: But if you're looking for a two way blocking tight

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Speaker 3: Prototypical Notre Dame tight end. I mean a throwback that

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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump over to the defensive side of

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Speaker 2: the ball. Tony Notre Dame jumped out at you.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jack Kaiser doesn't get a lot of notice.

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Speaker 3: He's not the fastest guy in the world. He's not

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Speaker 4: But Kaiser is.

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Speaker 3: One of those guys that you know you want him

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Speaker 3: But he's well rounded safety. Who don't know that he's

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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump over to Penn Staatey here, Tony,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we know the internet can get out

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Speaker 2: a really good game in the national title game, juwe alar,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe you can jump into the top ten.

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Speaker 2: And I know you and I had talked about him

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Speaker 2: and we're like, guys, we don't even think he's ready.

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Speaker 1: To come out yet. Like you look at his numbers

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Speaker 2: You might like the toolbox, but he's just extremely inconsistent.

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Speaker 2: The completion percentage is never high. It's not like Penn

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Speaker 3: So because of the inconsistency, he's got to go back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tony, I'm with you, And he'll be losing

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Speaker 3: Hockinson turned in some pretty decent testing numbers. I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. I think that's going to keep an

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Speaker 3: We'll have to say, Yeah, I think he's more for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Penny running game I thought did a nice job.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Tony who jumped out for Penn State other than Abdull

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go over to abdul Carter here.

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Speaker 2: Tony five tackles, three solo, one sack, two tackles for loss.

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Speaker 2: But man, they could not block him off the edge.

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Speaker 3: And he did it all with one arm, if you remember,

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Speaker 4: That was injured and he still was unstoppable.

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Speaker 4: He was always a highly rated player.

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Speaker 3: I mean, coming into the season, scouts graded him as

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Speaker 3: no surprise. I just think that whoever drafts Abdull Carter

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you really good.

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Speaker 2: And they'll be taking on Ohio State, who defe defeated

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Speaker 1: Like they had a control of the game. Let's start

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Speaker 3: And I mean, you know the thing about Jack Sawyer

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Speaker 3: and watch that third down play before the fourth down

439
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 3: scoop and score because on that third down play, what

440
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: happened was they line. Jack Sawyer inside almost as like

441
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 3: a defensive tackle position. He beat the guard, penetrated the

442
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, and deflected quin you Were's pass. Now

443
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 3: that was important because Igby Nosen would have gotten called

444
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 3: for pass interference, yes, in the corner of the end zone.

445
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: And if that had if Sawyer had not tipped that pass,

446
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: not penetrated the line of scrimmers, not beating the offensive guard,

447
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 3: pass interference is called. Texas now has four more downs

448
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: inside the one yard line. So everyone's gonna talk about

449
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: the stupid score. It was a great play. It was

450
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 3: a great highlight. Go back and watch that third down

451
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: play and see what Jack Sawyer did on that third

452
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: down play which really set up that fourth down play.

453
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 4: And the bottom line is this. You know, I'm gonna

454
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 4: talk about Tyleek Williams.

455
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 3: We talked about, I think it was with Dame Rugler

456
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 3: about how the college football playoffs would give guys a

457
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: chance to elevate their draft stock. I thought that high

458
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 3: Leak Williams has elevated history stock more than any of

459
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: the player in the college football players. You got to

460
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: add Jack Sawyer in there. I mean, he was he

461
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 3: was constantly when I talked about Cam Williams, but I

462
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: mean he Cam Williams.

463
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 4: So don't match with Jack Sawyer. He was all over

464
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 4: the place.

465
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I thought a number of Ohio State

466
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 2: players on defense played well. Tony Tudig, Williams Toamalo, had

467
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: the injury early in that game. He kind of fought

468
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: through it, came back and played Cody Simon.

469
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: I thought was good. Sonny Styles was all over the place.

470
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: Just you saw that Ohio State front really played to

471
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,479
Speaker 2: the back of their baseball cards.

472
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: And with Tyler.

473
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: Williams, you know, the stats aren't there at four tackles.

474
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: I think he had one pass break up, but continual pressure,

475
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 3: continual double teams. And what that does is one of

476
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 3: two things. Either the running backs have to reroute their runs,

477
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 3: change the angle of their runs, or the quarterback has

478
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: to move on to the pockets. Or it's creating opportunities

479
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 3: for his teammates. And I think tiny leek Williams is

480
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: a big, athletic man who, as I've said before, is

481
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: gonna be one of the top four defensive tackles in

482
00:22:59,040 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 3: the draft.

483
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 4: I think he's elevated stock.

484
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 3: I think Chiamola, after a rather uninspired season has really

485
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 3: elevated his play. We talked about Cody Simon, really the

486
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: unsung hero of that note of that Ohio's State defense

487
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 3: and a guy who came into the season with late

488
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 3: round grades. He's moved into the middle rounds. I mean,

489
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: he's got good measurables. He could go late day day

490
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: two in the third round. Complete mindbacker, puff run defender, instinctive,

491
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: also makes plays in coverage. Really, you're sort of forgotten

492
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 3: about traditional three down linebacker. Here's the thing about Sonny

493
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 3: Styles is he's large, he's athletic. He stands out on film.

494
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: The instincts kind of bother me because he doesn't read

495
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 3: and react. He thinks and reacts. And a couple of

496
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: times he was playing catch up with gunner Helm and

497
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: he's more athletic than gunner Helm because he was reacting

498
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: a little bit late. That's something that you know, could

499
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: be kind of tricky trying to figure out. Styles has

500
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: tremendous amount of upside potential and he can be an

501
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 3: outstanding player. And just you know another guy in that

502
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: Ohio State defensive front seven that is going to be

503
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: playing Sunday football real soon.

504
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: And you mentioned earlier potential defensive passing, the ference penalty

505
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: in the defensive backfield for a while State that's been

506
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: a problem for them all year. I thought, they're young

507
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: safety who's probably been coming out next year.

508
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: The year after. I thought he looked very good, but

509
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: the corner struggled again.

510
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: Corner struggling and sort of Ransom.

511
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: Ransom had that terrible pass interference call Lank in the

512
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: game that actually moved the moved the ball down into

513
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: the two yard line so it was second and goal,

514
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 3: and then it was Caleb Downs who made the play

515
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 3: on second down for a five yard loss when Texas

516
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: ran that sort of toss sweep there.

517
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: And Caleb Down is going to be just a tremendous car.

518
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna be a guy that when you

519
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 3: see the twenty twenty six mock drafts come out two

520
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: days after the twenty twenty twenty five mock drafts, after

521
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five actual draft is over, Caleb Downs

522
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: is going to be in everybody's top ten, top ten,

523
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: taking oils Mark justin he deserves it.

524
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: But again, I think after.

525
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 3: Two really good games in the college football playoffs, iguanosim

526
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 3: Burnt and even a Ransom struggled against Texas, all.

527
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: Right, so let's go to the offensive side of the

528
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: ball now for Ohio State, Tony and look, they ran

529
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: the ball I thought pretty well in this game, even

530
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,719
Speaker 2: though the numbers don't show it. Henderson just six carries

531
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: forty two yards. Junkins nine carries thirty six yards. I

532
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: felt like they got yards and they needed in this game.

533
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: And then Henderson of course had that big screen pass

534
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: at the end of the first half that went for

535
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: the seventy five yard touchdown, just showing that ability to

536
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 2: accelerate quickly and then the long speed no one could

537
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: catch him.

538
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I thought was changed the tempo of the

539
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: game because Texas found themselves playing really playing from behind.

540
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 3: And you're right, the numbers weren't there for Ohio State,

541
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: but they were important runs. They were big runs on

542
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: first down to make it easier second third down to

543
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: get the first the next first down, or there were

544
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: big third down runs. I mean, Jenkins, you saw why

545
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: Ohio State went and paid him the big money if

546
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: you will, because he is just a violent, explosive ball carrier.

547
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 3: He's not going down on first contact. He works his runs,

548
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: he tries to get as much yards out of every

549
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: carry as possible. And then Trayvon Anderson. Listen, I think

550
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: Traymon Henderson is an absolute Day two pick. We'll see

551
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 3: where he goes. He's what the NFL wants. You know,

552
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 3: It's sort of like the Nick Singleton k tron Allen

553
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: situation in Ohio out of Penn State. But I think

554
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: these guys are more talented. I think Jenkins is a

555
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: little bit better of an outside runner than Kate tron

556
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: Allen is. I think Trayvon Henderson is a little bit

557
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: more explosive and has that game breaking ability compared to

558
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 3: Nick Singleton. I mean, these guys team up and they

559
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: feed off of each other, and they compliment each other.

560
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: And again, I mean, Raymond Henderson has kind of been

561
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: pushed in the back or was pushed in the background

562
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: through most of the regular season. I know he's had injuries.

563
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: I know, you know he's had a tough time of it,

564
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 3: but man, what a story. And you know, if he

565
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: gets a clean bill of health at the combine, I

566
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: just think he's going to be an extraordinary pro as

567
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: a situational runner.

568
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: On Sunday, it was pretty obvious Texas was going to

569
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: take Jeremiah Smith out of this game for a house

570
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: day Tony.

571
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna make somebody else beat them.

572
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: Carnell Tate did a good job and Mechabuka again, five catches,

573
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: fifty one yards. They go to him on important plays,

574
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: on third downs, things like that. He's just very reliable.

575
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: He'll do everything you want. He's a good round runner,

576
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: even if he's not spectacular. You know, I wonder, just

577
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: because of the nature of this draft class and the

578
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: lack of first round grades, he might end up sneaking

579
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: into the first round this year because he's so safe

580
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: and so reliable. But I don't see him as being

581
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: like a potential pro bowler. But I see him being

582
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: a ten to twelve year NFL starter, easy.

583
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: Solid, consistent, very polished. I don't have a first round

584
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: grade on him, and I struggle to put him in

585
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: a first round in a mock draft unless somehow he

586
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: blows me away with the testing. And here's why is

587
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: because last year I thought Abuca, who played second phil

588
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: to Marvin Harrison, was potentially a first round pick. But

589
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: I didn't see a lot of improvement in his game.

590
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: This year.

591
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: You know, again, he was playing second fiddle to a

592
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: freshman receiver this year rather than really stepping up his game.

593
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean he's not a good receiver. Doesn't mean he's

594
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: not gonna be a good NFL pro. Like you said,

595
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: he's very consistent, he's polished, he does the little things well.

596
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: He comes up big for Ohio State when they need him.

597
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: Let's see what the testing numbers are. I still struggle

598
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: to see Abuca as a first round pick, but I

599
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: think he's going to be a very good NFL pass catcher.

600
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: All right.

601
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: How about Will Howard, Tony, this is a guy that

602
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: whenever a team leads a player at quarterback, leads a

603
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: team to a potential national championship. And we'll talk about

604
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: that championship game at at the end of the program.

605
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna, you know, go up and regard.

606
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: In most people's eyes, how do you think Will Howard

607
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: has handled some of these really important situations?

608
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: And his numbers in this game were great.

609
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: Twenty four to thirty three, two hundred and eighty nine

610
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: yards a touchdown, only four rushing yards on seven carries.

611
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: Now remember they count sacks and like the minus for

612
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: rushing yards in college, so that number is a little

613
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: bit skewed, but he'd a couple of important runs in

614
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: this game too for them. How do you think scouts

615
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: are viewing Howard as he continues to lead Ohio State

616
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: through these college football playoffs?

617
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: He's sort of a poor man's I don't say that

618
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: he's got the physical skills. I mean you see the

619
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: arm strength and the arm talent is there. He drives

620
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: those deep passes with speed, He gets the ball through

621
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: the tight spots. He makes some really big passes, but

622
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: he also makes a lot of dangerous throws. I mean

623
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: he throws the ball between through triple coverage, which you

624
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: can do on the college level, but you can't do

625
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: that on Sunday. He also is very slow moving his

626
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: head away from the why I'm a retarget which was

627
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: Colum a Cords problem at when he was at Ohio State.

628
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: But will Howard is winning? I think what's gonna happen

629
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: with Howard is Let's see what postseason game he participates in.

630
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: People are gonna fall in love with his arm strengs.

631
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: He's gonna be one of those guys that at the

632
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: combine or at the Shrine or Senior ball throws the

633
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: ball at country model with speed, and people are gonna

634
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: be blown away. But you know you've got to coach

635
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: him to scan the field, to go through progressions, not

636
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: to try and force the ball through double on triple coverage.

637
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: Because if you watch a lot of those magnificent passes

638
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: that were completions against Texas, those are gonna be interceptions

639
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: on Sunday.

640
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. I agree.

641
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: And we'll have to see what he ends up doing

642
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: and how he works and at the combine, and you're right,

643
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: people will fall in love with the arm.

644
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: He's got good size, all that stuff.

645
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: We'll have to see exactly where he falls out and

646
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: he is right now, he's going to the seat your ball, Tony.

647
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: That's where he's committed to. So we'll see him there

648
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: with Riley Leonard. We're gonna see him there with Jackson Dart.

649
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: So we'll see the two teams playing each other National

650
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: title game kind of goal up against each other, and

651
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: we'll preview that game in just a little bit befirst,

652
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: let's sat Texas.

653
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I thought quin yours was pretty good, Tony. I thought

654
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: it was one of his better games.

655
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: He missed one or two throws that I think hurt them,

656
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: but overall, I think he has to be pretty happy

657
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: with that we played and then we'll see what he

658
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: ends up doing.

659
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: Very efficient, you know, brought Texas back, kept him in

660
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: the game, getting make mistakes. I mean, it's not his

661
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: fault that he was getting beat up, and he stayed

662
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: in there and he competed.

663
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: You know, again, it was.

664
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: A good performance. It wasn't a great performance. I never

665
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: had quinn Ewers as a potential top ten pick as

666
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: people were talking about. It's going to be interesting to

667
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: see what his next movies. I expect him to enter

668
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: the NFL draft. I think his time at Texas has

669
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: basically run out. I don't know that he's really going

670
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: to improve by going back for another year, especially now

671
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: that some of his players are leaving for the NFL.

672
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: He's got a lot of upside.

673
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: It may be a situation where he just needs a

674
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: real good quarterback coach and needs to get somebody between

675
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: his ears, you know, to set him right.

676
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: But he's got tremendous ability.

677
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: All right, Toyo, let's stick on the offensive side of

678
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: the ball. We'll talk about the two big offensive linemen.

679
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: And I keep looking at some of these new mock

680
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: drafts that come out and every one of them I've seen.

681
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: Calvin Banks is like a top five or six player,

682
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: and I've rewatched him a lot at the end of

683
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: last week, just to kind of refamiliarize myself off of

684
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: what I looked at him last summer. And he just

685
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: doesn't move like an NFL offensive tackle to me. And

686
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: I think we've seen and we sort of get in

687
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: this game and we can talk about Cam Williams too.

688
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: I think also struggled.

689
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: When he has to go up against hyper athletic guys

690
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: and Ohio State. I know, Jack Sawyer and Tuamal who

691
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: aren't you know, it's not a dual carter out there

692
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: in terms of athleticism, But when we see him against

693
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: those really athletic guys, I think we see some of

694
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: those issues pop up.

695
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: Now he has been struggling with an injury since the

696
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: second half of the season, So I think Kelvin Banks

697
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: is a story of Kelvin Bank. Thanks for the first

698
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: half of the season where you look like a definite

699
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: top fifteen pick, and the second half of the season

700
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: where he had an injury and he struggled. But still

701
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: what concerns me is the balance. He seems to be

702
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: all over the place. He can't finish box. Is he

703
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: a guard? Is he a tackle? He's on my guardboard

704
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: right now. I think in my latest mock draft I

705
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: had him going in the teams. You know, I don't

706
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: see him as a top ten offensive tackle. I mean

707
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: the only offensive tackle I think could go top ten

708
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: is Will Campbell of LSU, and I think he's my

709
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: eleventh rated player.

710
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: So, by the way, I think you have an offshoot

711
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: of the Ohio State left tackle that got hurt. I

712
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: think he's got a I think he you know, team

713
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: might fall in love with him and pick him in

714
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: the top twelve, who knows.

715
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: I think if Josh Simmons had stayed healthy all season,

716
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: I think Josh Simmons and I even said that in

717
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: the recent mock draft I did at sports Keedo would

718
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: have been the first offensive tackle selected in this draft

719
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: because his game was improving. I mean, he was good

720
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. He showed a lot of improvement too.

721
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four. Unfortunately, there's that injury. But you know

722
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: it could be that they red shirt with Josh Shammons.

723
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: But getting back to Kelvin Banks, you know, it's a

724
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: tail of two seasons, and I think team's got to

725
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 3: decide which Kelvin Banks are they getting and what position

726
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: are they playing him at?

727
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. And then Cam Williams you were

728
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: not impressed.

729
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: How could you be?

730
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Cam Williams, people been beeing he's

731
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 3: the first round pick, is the first round pick. They

732
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: love his size, but I think the size is almost

733
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: a detriment because you watch them against Jack Sawyer that

734
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: scoop and score. I mean he was almost bent over

735
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: in half trying to stop Jack Sawyer. You can't bend

736
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: at the waist the way the way Cameron Williams did

737
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 3: and be an effective locker. And it wasn't just that play.

738
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: I mean Jack Sawyer basically had his way with Cam

739
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 3: Williams most of that game.

740
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah he's big.

741
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's strong, and he can drive defenders off the

742
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 3: ball for the running game, but he's also immobile. He's

743
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: heavy on his feet, he struggles to adjust. He doesn't

744
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 3: show the great blocking balance. People get infatuated because he's

745
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: sixty seven, three hundred and sixty pounds. You know, Evan

746
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: Neil has struggled to there's a point where you were

747
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: too big for the NFL, and if you can't control

748
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: that weight and play at that weight with good athleticism,

749
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: it's going to be a detriment. And that's what I

750
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: see with Cam Williams. I never saw him as a

751
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: first round prospect. I would be shocked at this point

752
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: in time if he goes in the first round.

753
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna throw Emery Jones in that group too,

754
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: by the way, the other offensive tackle for LSU.

755
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: Right.

756
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: You know, people talk about Campbell and I think his

757
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: tape I think is good. You know, I watched Jones

758
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 2: late last week, Tony, and he's like all over the place.

759
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: You know, people love his potential and everything. To me,

760
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: he is he is a day two guy, you know,

761
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: maybe third round for me. I know a lot of

762
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: other people like him as a first round pick.

763
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: I only bring up as.

764
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: I did coming into the year, scouts did I mean,

765
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 3: scouts had Emery Jones created right below will Campbell. They were,

766
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: they were neck and neck coming into the season.

767
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: But not anymore, I would imagine absolutely no. All right,

768
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: so let's go defense for Texas, Tony. What guys jumped

769
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: doubt at you?

770
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: I thought John Dave Baron did a solid job. I

771
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: really didn't get beat. I thought Andrew mccouba, the Clemson

772
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: transfer who we really haven't talked about, also had a

773
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: real solid game. Burnham brought in and Baron Sowell, two

774
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: guys he's spoken about in the past. I thought they

775
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: also played well. I mean, the Texas defense didn't play

776
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: bad in this game by any means. It's just that

777
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: the Ohio State defense really I stole the show, no.

778
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: Question about it. All right, let's preview it.

779
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: We got our national championship game, Tony, Ohio State and

780
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, believe it or not. I know what Ohio

781
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: State was the eighth seed and what was Notre Dame, like.

782
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: Six something like?

783
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: I believe.

784
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So clearly those those rankings in the playoffs really

785
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: turned out to be right on the money.

786
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: Good job, guys.

787
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: But I mean, look, unless something really weird happens in

788
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: this game, Tony, I have a hard time finding a

789
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: scenario where Notre Dame figures out a way to win

790
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: this thing. Ohio State is gonna stack the box. They're

791
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: not gonna let Love and the Notre Dame running backs

792
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: run the football. They're gonna make Notre Dame's passing game

793
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: beat them.

794
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: Through the air.

795
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: And as much as we've seen these Ohio State cornerbacks

796
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: be up and down this year, they're just better athletes

797
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: than who the perimeter players are for Notre Dame. I

798
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: don't see on the Dames scoring Like how was Notre

799
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: Dame scoring more than fourteen points in this game unless

800
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 2: they get like a pick six or special teams touchdown.

801
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna be your real struggle for

802
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: them on.

803
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: Offense defense as well.

804
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 3: I mean, every single matchup in this game favorites Ohio State.

805
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: I want to see somebody show me one matchup that

806
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: favores note you, Dame. But the fact of the matter

807
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: is every matchup, just about every matchup favorite Georgia and

808
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: Notre Dame won the game. Just about every matchup favorite

809
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: Penn State and Notre Dame won the game. I mean,

810
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: if you were to give a title to this game,

811
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: it would be momentum versus magic. Ohio State's got the momentum,

812
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: Notre Dame's got the magic. So there's Ohio State keep

813
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 3: that momentum going, or is you know, does the clock

814
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: strike twelve on Cinderella or does you know Notre Dame

815
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: Just continue to find more magic. I mean, I see

816
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: no match up here either when Ohio State's got the ball,

817
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: whether it's there either the receivers against the Notre Dame secondary,

818
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: whether it's the running game against the Notre Dame front

819
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: defense of seven, or when oh Notre Dame's got the ball,

820
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: they're now playing with a backup left tackle who didn't

821
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: play badly when he came in the game against Penn State.

822
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: There's no match up here that favors Penn State. I

823
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: think what Penn State's got to do. And as you said,

824
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: I mean you look at Ohio State. How many first, first,

825
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: and second for Day one and Day two players they're

826
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: going to be putting on the field on both sides

827
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: of the ball compare compared to barely scarce full you know,

828
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: a single digit view that Notre Dame is gonna be

829
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: putting on the field both offense and defense. I think,

830
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: you know, Notre Dame, they're gonna have to disguise a

831
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: lot of their coverages on defense and try and fool

832
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: Will Howard.

833
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: They're gonna have to run a lot of run, a

834
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: lot of twists and stunts. Uh.

835
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about the Notre Dames tight end

836
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: Mitchell Evans. You know, they leave them on the line

837
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: of scrimmage is you're gonna be more than a three

838
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 3: yard target because they're gonna need them to block. You know,

839
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: this game should be lopsided in Ohio State's favor, but

840
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: then Ohio State should have really beaten Michigan and they didn't,

841
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: so you never know, that's why they played the game.

842
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a weird year for Ohio State.

843
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: Like they're already to run Ryan Day out of town

844
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: and then like two months later He's win the national championship.

845
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: I know, tears me.

846
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of a State fans in this building

847
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: now we're thinking the same thing, Tony.

848
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: It's just a really, really weird year.

849
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: Now with the system where in you know, the history

850
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: of college football, you lose, you know, to a team

851
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: like Michigan in your conference, your season's over, and now

852
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you can do that and still

853
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: win the national championship.

854
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: Well, you know.

855
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: That's why you know, Ryan Day should pray to the

856
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 3: college football guards of gods that the college football players

857
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: started in twenty twenty five. They expanded twelve team players

858
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: start in twenty twenty five because if it's started in

859
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. He's probably on the unemployment line right

860
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: now because there is no college football players. And a

861
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 3: little personal note, you know, my daughter goes to Ohio State.

862
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: She's a senior. So there's a very good chance that

863
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: the Pauline family could leave Ohio State going zero to

864
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: four against Michigan, but winning a national title. So you know,

865
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 3: I understand that.

866
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: I love it all, right, Tony.

867
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: So next week, just still fans understand, we are going

868
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: to have a on Tuesday because the National Championshi game

869
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: is Monday night, correct, So we'll do a show on

870
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: Tuesday or reacting to that, and believe it or not,

871
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: this stuff happens so late now, Tony, that's to be

872
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: our Shrine and Senior Bowl preview too, So we're gonna

873
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: put all that in one show. It's probably gonna be

874
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: a bit of a mega show. Maybe we'll split it

875
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Speaker 2: into two. We'll do one, we'll do like the the

876
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: Reaction game early, we'll put the second later in the week.

877
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: I'll figure that out, the the like logistics of it.

878
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be busy show tomorrow and like we're

879
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: gonna blink. The playoffs are over. We have a National

880
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: Championship and we're off to Frisco and we're off the mobile.

881
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: Go check out the interview with er Galco last week

882
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: by the way, if you folks haven't checked that out,

883
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: he talks a lot about the guys going to shrine.

884
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: But uh, we're into it now, man, Like we're in.

885
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's money because you mentioned that we got

886
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: the National Championship game. Then we leave for Frisco and

887
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: it's basically six days of to a day practice, back

888
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: to back Shrine and Senior Bowl, as well as the

889
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 3: interviews and all the news gathering and everything. So yeah,

890
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: there's gonna be no time to breed after that thatampionship

891
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: game on Monday night.

892
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when we get back, it's less than

893
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: a month from the start of the NFL combine and

894
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: then you got you know, free agency, and then you

895
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: got a month to the draft. So it's going to

896
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: come fast and furious here, Tony. Anything on Sports Kita

897
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: that the folks should keep be keeping an eye on.

898
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: Well, we've had some breaking news as far as the

899
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Speaker 3: coaching ranks. The concern had the mock draft last week,

900
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Speaker 3: and I'm going to save the next mock draft until

901
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: after senior ball practice because of whatever potential movement could

902
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: be there. Plus, we'll have a better view on which

903
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: underclassmen will be entering the draft as well as the

904
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: team mocks.

905
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: We go.

906
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: I've go division by division, I go five round deeps.

907
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: I think three divisions have been put up, so by

908
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: the end of this week we'll have the rest of

909
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: the division team mocks up.

910
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: So I did not add I didn't ask you have

911
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: this ready, so if it takes a second to find it,

912
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: I apologize at a time. Who is your top ten

913
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: in your mock that you put up last week?

914
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, let me pull it up. You

915
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 4: kind of caught me by surprise.

916
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: No, I know, I did. That's my fault.

917
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 4: Give me a second. I will that.

918
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Folks. Keep in mind we only even not through free

919
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: agency yet. Team needs are not known as of yet.

920
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: This is a Tony taking the best players and trying

921
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 2: to assign in the teams that seem to make sense now,

922
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: so don't take mock drafts as early too.

923
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: Seriously, But Tony, who was your top ten?

924
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: Here we go Tennessee Titans. I had him taken Shador Sanders.

925
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: The Will Levis era is over. I made Giant fans happy.

926
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 3: I had the Cleveland Browns taking Travis Hunter, but this

927
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: was before the news that DeShawn Watson reinjured that achilles.

928
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 3: I had the Giants taking cam Ward with the third pick.

929
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: I had the New England Patriots taking Tech McMillan of

930
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: Arizona with that fourth selection. I know people think McMillan's

931
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 3: gonna go later, but he's a game breaking receiver. They

932
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: got a young quarterback there in Drake May and there's

933
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: no left tackle worthy of the fourth pick. I had

934
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: the Jacksonville Jaguars taking Will Johnson with that first PICKO. Well, yeah,

935
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: But the thing and the thing is this is you

936
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: look at the draft. We have to see who's going

937
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: to be coaching the Jaguars, but you look at the

938
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: draft capital that the Jaguars have expended on pass rushers

939
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 3: the past, you know, five to six years at some

940
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: point in time, you know, the kid from Georgia with

941
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: the first pick of the draft a couple of years ago.

942
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: You know, at some point in time, you gotta go

943
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 3: with what you got and stop the bleeding because you

944
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: just end up creating holes in other areas. I think

945
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: with the Raiders I had the Raiders taking Dull Carter.

946
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: The Jets I had taking Mason Graham oh Man.

947
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: Dude, by the way, I'm Duel Carter with me with

948
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: with Mason Crosby oh Man and Christian Wilkins oh Man.

949
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: What a defensive line anyway.

950
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: Sorry, especially if they get the right coach in there.

951
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: The Jets I had taking Mason Graham because Will Johnson

952
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 3: was off the board. There's no top receiver there. Carolina Panthers,

953
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: I have them taking Jalen walk I think that's a

954
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: perfect fit for that system. New Orleans Saints Luther Burden,

955
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit early, but he's a playmaker and

956
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: they need depthit receiver. Chicago Bears had him taken Will Campbell.

957
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: You know, you better protect Caleb Williams. You can't go

958
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: down to justin fields route again and weigh such an

959
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: early pick on a talent, first round quarterback, first pick

960
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: of the draft, first quarterback that was the first pick

961
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: of the draft. So I had Campbell going ten to

962
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Speaker 3: the Bears.

963
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: See, man, it's just sneak one offensive lineman in there, Tony,

964
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Speaker 2: Was there anyone that you really regretted leaving out of

965
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: that top ten? Do you feel like or was that

966
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: or was it tough finding ten players to get into

967
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: the top ten.

968
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Speaker 3: No, I mean I would have liked to put Ashton

969
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: Genty in the top ten because I think he is.

970
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: He's probably a top six player in this draft, but

971
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 3: there was just no real fit for him to be there.

972
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: Would you everyone else?

973
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: I had him go to Dallas at twelve, exactly Michael

974
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: Williams kind of up and down. No, I mean a

975
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: lot of people have Malachi Starks. I had him go

976
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: fourteen to Indianapolis, although I have him rated higher. I mean,

977
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Speaker 3: we'll see what happens with Jalen Milroe. I have him

978
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: going early. I have him going up sorry, eighteen to Seattle.

979
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people outside the league are

980
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: talking about him being a much earlier pick. I would

981
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: be happy with that sentimentally, because really, since the first

982
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: show of the year, I've talked about my love for

983
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: Jalen Milroe. We'll see what happens. Also gonna be se

984
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: interesting to see if jal Milroe happens to show up

985
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: at the Senior ball I think that would be a

986
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 3: that would be a positive move for him.

987
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean that would be if he did it.

988
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 2: That would be really silly as a guy that's trying

989
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: to prove something here and move up. I think he'd

990
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: be very wise to show up at that game and

991
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna see him side by side with these other

992
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: non top two quarterbacks.

993
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna see him right next to him.

994
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: So I think it's a good situation for all those

995
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 2: guys to kind of prove themselves.

996
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Speaker 1: Tony, this is great man. I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 4: As always, We'll speak with you next week.

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