WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Disappearance of Benjamin Bathurst 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.680 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by the incessant 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.720 wheezing of a grumble of pigs. Instead, it's supported by 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:12.760 the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.360 dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more and thanks 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:30.880 Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:36.080 things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey guys, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.840 welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. The podcast Steve Interrupts, 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:45.400 where Steve interrupts constantly every day. I'm Devin, joined by 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.400 Steve and the interruptre Oh my god, it's gonna be 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.640 a long episode. It's not actually going to be that 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.720 long of an episode, just going to if Steve keeps interrupting, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:01.160 what today we're going to talk What are we talking about? 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.840 A joke? Okay, let's go Sorry, today we're going to 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.199 talk about It's just because you had to Kenny bar earlier. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.600 It couldn't help an interrupt because of that. But you 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:12.119 know what, I should let you go ahead and talk 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:13.840 about this story because this one's a fun one. Oh 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.280 it is. No, it's a very good one, so highly dramatic, 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.800 lots of death in destruction. Side words from the future, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.080 but I really need it. Knock knock. This week we're 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.360 going to talk about the disappearance of Benjamin Bathurst. This 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:32.200 was a suggestion by Ash England. We're working through those suggestions, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.319 still listening. I think he is. I think he emailed 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.720 us last time. Pretty sure. Okay, maybe not well asked. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.600 When you hear this, come on, send us an emails. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.920 You're still alive. So um. The quick overview for this 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.560 story is um that a minor British diplomat named Benjamin 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.120 Bathurst vanished almost literally into thin air while traveling under 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.720 an assumed name with intendant in eighteen o nine in Germany, 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:02.120 in Germany, while fleeing Austria Vienna. He's fleeing from Vienna, Yeah, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.640 which is in Austria. It is part part of the 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:10.200 part of Okay, yeah, all right, let's start with Benjamin. Yeah, quickly. Great. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.880 Benjamin was born on March eighteenth, seventeen eighty four, in London, 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.600 so he was British and then he was when he 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.200 disappeared pretty actually to be a diplomat. He was actually 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.920 very young to be a diplomat. He I think he 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.720 was like seventeen or eighteen when he became a diplomat. Um. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:30.800 He was part of the Bathurst family. Surprise. His father 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.800 was the right Reverend Henry Bathurst and he was the 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.120 Bishop of Norwich. That's pretty cool lineage. No, you guys 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.800 are impressed. He was the third son in his family, 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.080 so we had two older brothers. And then he had 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.040 a sister. And I don't actually know. I think she 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.240 was younger. I was going to say I thought the 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.400 sister was younger, but I never actually paid attention enough. Well, 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.560 I don't think that I've ever seen it anywhere written, 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.560 but I just know from stuff that we know from 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.320 fifty years later, she was still kind of looking for 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:08.320 her brother. No, that's Felida Ala Call. I think it's her. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.840 I thought I thought that that was his wife, is it? Yeah? 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.200 Am I getting the two mixed up? Because okay, it's 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.519 the sister that had the awesome last name. Yeah, Okay, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.720 I'm sorry. I got him totally backwards that he did. So, Yeah, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.400 he was married to a woman named Felida Call. Sorry 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.200 for the spoiler. Gosh, jeez. And I don't think that 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.120 they had kids as far as I know. He became 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.760 a diplomat quote unquote at an early age. But it 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.360 was definitely before he was twenty one, and then he 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.160 married in eighteen oh five when he was twenty one. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.440 He was had already been a diplomat for a couple 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.920 of years at that point, so really at a really 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.680 young age. I've heard him as described described as very 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:52.200 talented and really smart and just like actually qualified to 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.440 be a diplomat, not just he was a kid. I 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.680 was going to say that there's two kinds of diplomats 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.680 at this time. There is the you have inherited this 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.400 up no matter how terrible you are at it, or 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.240 you actually have a talent. And usually third sons don't 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:12.880 inherit diplomatic charges diplomatic posts. But he wasn't exactly. It 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.480 was more kind of like an envoy. Well that's true, yeah, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.760 I guess. But the thing is about diplomats at that 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.640 time is that there if you do reading of historical stuff, 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.960 they would have the ability to solve problems. So grievances 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.720 of their monarch they would go in and they could 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.400 agree to the terms on behalf of their monarch. Now 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.560 they still had to go home and get the monarch 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.240 to buy into it. But yeah, I mean, obviously they 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:42.720 had to be able to do that because he didn't 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.400 have a fall right, But it's not like today, it's like, 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.920 let me call the boss and double check that he's 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.120 okay with it. They could, they had the power, So 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.640 to entrust it to a guy that young, he had 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.960 to know what he was doing and have some skill. Yeah. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.880 So in eighteen o nine Benjamin was sent to Vienna. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.400 And as a reminder, eighteen o nine is like in 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:08.359 the very middle years of the Napoleonic War, and it 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:13.400 was when the Fifth Wars, not not Napoleonic War, Napoleonic Wars, 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:18.120 because he was making war everywhere. Yeah, he was talented 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.039 little guy. Um. So this was right when the Fifth 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:26.240 Coalition formed in that year, and this, of course meant 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.920 I'm saying, of course meant like everybody knows this, but 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.919 this meant that an English diplomat like Bathurst needed to 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.200 get out of Vienna and pretty quick. So for people 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.279 who don't know what the Fifth Coalition is, that was 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:45.160 between Britain and Austria. In Austria because France is trying 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.520 to take over all of Europe and they are warring everywhere, 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.960 and the Brits would not back down. England wasn't going 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.560 to back down, and they were making allies with anybody 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.000 that they had. And the name the Fifth Coalition should 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.920 lead you to recognize that there had been a first, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.480 a second, a third, and a fourth coalition prior to 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:10.000 this coalition. So they were bringing on allies to stand 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.960 against Napoleon on a pretty regular basis. Now, the Fifth Coalition, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.159 I think, what did it last? Three or four years? 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.480 Not very long? Yeah, it was very short lived, but 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.799 I know it wasn't even years. It was from April 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:28.600 tenth to October fourteenth, nineteen o eight. The Fifth Coalition, 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.080 I'm sorry, eighteen o nine, Okay, okay, because I swore 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.880 it was one that had gone on for longer. But 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.120 there were prior ones that managed for years. But so 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:43.040 everybody that wasn't French was standing up against the French. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.080 Oh I'm sorry the dates I just gave you, that 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.839 was the war of the Fifth Coalition. Yes, okay, that 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.000 that makes me feel bad. Sorry. Regardless of the Fifth Coalition, 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.320 they had a couple of years under their belt before 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.600 Napoleon literally squashed the whole thing. But this is and there, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.800 this is one of those times where it's just war 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.279 upon war. Well, this was the beginning of the downhill 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:08.320 slide for Napoleon. Yeah, and you know, eventually, of course, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.120 he was sent off to exile and eventually came back 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:16.200 and said hello, remember me, and started all over again. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.600 We'll talk about that later on the Mystery of Napoleon. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.880 we'll talk about about it. There's some mystery there. So 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.520 in mid November of eighteen o nine is when Bathurst 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.160 decided he really needed to get out of there. Yeah. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.480 He um that's because Austria had flicked it in, right, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:39.240 it surrendered Napoleon. Correct. Yeah, Actually, um, I I know 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.640 that Steve did a lot of research on this. I 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.600 did a lot of research on this, but um, I 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.080 bet Steve's notes are a little better than nine. So 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.040 let's have like Uncle Steve's toy story time about a 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.040 little bit of the stuff that was happening around the 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.440 Napoleonic Wars in Vienna at that because I didn't well, 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.040 you know, this is this is one of those things 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.840 where I always rely on Joe to go super crazy 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.880 the military campaigns, and then I ended up falling down 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:07.360 the rabbit hole. Um, it really is. It's it's it's 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:12.040 strange because what happens is the Fifth Coalition is going on, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.440 and Napoleon gets wind of it, and he's none too happy, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:22.400 and he brings his army to Vienna. At this point, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.280 he um he occupies Vienna. This is in May of 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.920 eighteen o nine. He occupies Vienna, and he basically he 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.920 thinks he's put down any resistance, YadA YadA, YadA, and 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.000 everything's hunky dory, and then he's got some obviously, got 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.960 a bunch of other campaigns going on. So he he 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:46.559 leaves Vienna and a large portion of his troop force leaves. Well, 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.120 it turns out the Fifth Coalition this is when they're 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.920 stirring up all this trouble, and they make trouble. I 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.680 guess that's the best way to put it. They make trouble. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.400 At this point, Napoleon realizes that he has to truly 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.360 come back, and he truly has to put down what's 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.920 going on in Vienna. And I believe that it is. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:13.640 It's pronounced the Battle of vagram Um okay, and that 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.240 took place between the fifth and the sixth of July 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.520 of eighteen o nine, and it's a weird battle because 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:25.000 it literally took two days. Napoleon shows up, he forwards 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.560 his army across the river in the middle of the night, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.079 thinking he's got the upper hand. But this is when 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:36.760 um guns are really becoming prevalent and cannons, and there 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:42.360 are there are casualties somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:48.480 to seventy thousand men total between each side combined, but 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:54.480 Napole But Napoleon ends up getting the wind. Not clearly, 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.319 but he gets the win. A bunch of the generals 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:04.360 that are fighting against him, the Austrian side, flee, they chase, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.520 some of them get killed, some of them get captured. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.960 But it's a really weird battle in the fact that 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.120 it took such a short amount of time. And even 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:20.200 stranger is that go figure as a dictator. Napoleon lied 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.360 about the whole thing to the French people. In other words, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.440 he told them that he had lost, yeah, maybe two 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:33.760 thousand men, maybe men, but they the enemy had suffered 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.080 massive casualties. I'm not surprised, that's, you know. And how 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.440 how the French people gonna find out, Well, they're not 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.760 except that, oh, well, my husband didn't come home. Well 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.360 he was one of the two thousands, or he died 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.959 in another campaign. But that's why I said earlier, it 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.880 was the beginning of the downhill slide for him because 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:54.280 he wasn't getting these crazy decisive winds like he had 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.240 in his early campaign. He lost a little momentum there. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.120 But that's that's obviously that's the problem, and you're we're 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.480 talking about with Bathurst initially is that he's got to 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.080 get out of town because because Napoleon's coming it down 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:11.040 and nobody likes Napoleon. Napoleon didn't like the Brits. No. Yeah, 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:16.160 the War of the Fifth Coalition ended on October of 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:22.000 eighteen o nine, and that's when Austria ceded to Napoleon basically, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.200 and there was a little bit of a scuffle until 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:30.280 early November nineteen I'm sorry, eighteen o nine, when finally 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:35.160 the um French Bavarian army really defeated Austria in the 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:40.320 Peninsular War. One other bit of kind of geographical history 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.120 that I think that we need to talk about this 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.640 and I'll keep this really brief for this story, is 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:51.640 that the north west portion of that area was known 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.400 as the Federation of the Rhine and it was composed 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.920 of like nineteen kind of city states which it all 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:05.240 all put their fealty towards Napoleon because they had already 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.200 lost him previously. Are you talking about the northern parts 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:13.520 of Austria. I'm talking about from Vienna north. There's a 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.240 just to the west of Vienna. There's a band if 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.160 you look at on the the eighteen o nine maps, 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.880 and they just put it in this weird little grouping, 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.280 but it is made up of all these individual areas 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.080 that were run by um or whatever. They were barons 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.839 and princes who were who under Napoleon went ahead and 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.439 consolidated power in these small areas, but officially they were 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.640 loyal to Napoleon. So this is something to keep in 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.720 mind because this is the area that our dear little 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.640 Mr Bathurst is going to be treading through. So um 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:55.480 Bathurst decides again in like early mid November, that okay, 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.839 it's time to get on out of here. And remember again, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.880 this is you know, eighteen o nine. We're not talking 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.440 like hop on a train and hop on a well, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:05.880 I mean you could have hopped on a train, but 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.200 we're not talking like hop in your own car. Because 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.440 you're a British diplomat, it's hard to get on a 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.560 train safely. Well, there weren't that many of them either, No, 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.440 definitely not unless you're a soldier, in which case maybe 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.920 there were some more. But anyway, he had a German 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.640 courier or attendant, depending on like what you believe slash 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.840 red how this person is described, I'm going to say attendant. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:33.160 His name was hair Krause r Krause, mr Krausse. Yeah. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.200 They decided rightly so probably to move under assumed alias 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:44.520 is because um duh. So Benjamin Bathurst went by Baron 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:49.880 de de Coke, went by Baron to Coke, and her 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.680 Hair Krause went by Fisher. Benjamin made no contact with 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.640 the brittle British console when he was traveling. This guy's 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.800 name was Galoway mills Um when he arrived in Berlin, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.600 because he did arrive in Berlin from Austria to Berlin, Germany. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:10.679 Now he was heading north to catch a boat to 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.760 head to England, right Um. Some of the accounts that 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.120 you'll read say that he was headed to the Baltic see. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.560 Some of the counts you'll see said, no, he was 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.600 gonna go to he was going to go south after 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.720 a while. And some of the accounts you read say like, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.560 we don't know where he was going on just he 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.760 was just going to go overland the entire time, all 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.880 the way up to England, and he was actually originally 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.280 considering going south to the Mediterranean. In hindsight, you probably 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.560 should have done a good idea. How many times have 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:49.400 we said that on this show the other way? Yeah? Yeah, um, 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:54.800 so okay. So so Benjamin hits Berlin, but he doesn't 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.200 go to see the British console there, which probably would 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.760 have been a good idea. That is very unusual. Yeah, 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.640 I'm mean you guys know, I hope our listeners understand 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.880 how diplomacy works, but um, you would want to check 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.160 in with the consoles if you're a diplomat, especially if 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.920 you were fleeing, unless you really didn't trust them, or 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.400 maybe he just didn't have time. Well okay, so he wasn't, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.840 as it turns out, because he did deliver two letters, 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.040 so he had time to deliver the letters, but he 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.480 didn't have time to even stop and drop a letter 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.080 to the console there and say like, hey, passing through 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:29.560 super endanger By. I've also read that. You know, if 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.960 he's doing if he's not going to drop by the console, 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.440 his I would presume his plan is to stay under 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:41.080 his to stay in cover, to not break cover. And 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.080 yet some of the reading that I've done made it 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:48.000 clear that it was pretty obvious that everybody knew that 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.280 he was in town. It wasn't as if it was 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.160 a secret, which is, you know, that's counter to trying 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.360 to stay in your role of being in your cover. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.120 If you're gonna be like, hey, it's me Ben Been, 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.120 Hey here's your letter. I'm gonna go I'm gonna be 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.840 staying at the end over here, and you know me, 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:06.720 because I got this fancy pin in my head. But 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.240 I gotta say he did not practice great trade craft. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.800 He really didn't. He changed his name and nothing else, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:17.000 and he wore very distinctive clothes and drew a distinctive carriage. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.760 He would have been wise to perhaps adopt a better 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.600 disguise than just changing his name. I agree, and we'll 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.320 talk a little bit about that whole situation in a minute. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.120 But so, yeah, he did stop in Berlin. He delivered 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.080 two letters to two separate gentleman's but again didn't stop 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.880 with the console. He also changed horses in Berlin and 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.280 hung out for a while. And this is the first 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.120 time you see a date enter this story, so we 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.080 have to make assumptions up until this point, but it 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:49.840 is known. I guess that he left Berlin on November, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.920 so I gives him ten days to get to the 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:57.480 next stop, which is strange because where he disappeared is 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.000 only a hundred miles northwest of Berlin. Strangely with taking 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.040 ten days to get there. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, sorry, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.520 my number is based out of Vienna, and I was like, no, 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:10.280 it's five. It's five miles from Vienna, not from Berlin. Well, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:11.920 he might have made some other stops on the way. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.280 He must have it, I mean he must have. He 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.080 had to have. And what kind of vehicle was he 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.320 using for? He was he was traveling by a shave 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.120 or you know it's spelled like chase. It's a two 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.679 horse carriage, right, it can be too, It could be 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.040 one of course carriage. But they're real lettle. I mean 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.199 they're the open front ones. It's not an enclosed and 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.400 it's got like just two wheels, not four, right, Yeah, 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.600 sometimes they have three, but I don't I think the 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.520 three ones that you see are actually like driven a 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.720 little bit, is it? It would? It would it be 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.240 kind of similar to like a rick Shaw, similar example, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.040 a horse instead of a dude. Yeah, and a little bigger. Um. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.760 But yeah, it's not like luxury travel. Although in the 0:17:54.800 --> 0:18:01.800 book that his sister trip Athnia Thistle. Wait the wait, 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:10.560 I love that name Trips. I'm gonna go with this 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.240 looks like the kind of name you would see in 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.600 a PG Woodhouse story or Harry Potter. Yeah, I was 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.560 gonna say, this is my Harry Potter name. I like, Trypthinia. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:25.000 But how how are you saying it? I'm thinkin there's 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:30.320 a lot of different ways? Um? Okay, So she is Um. 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.959 She's Benjamin's sister, and she wrote a book called the 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.880 Memoirs and Correspondence of Dr h. Bathurst, and she said 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.159 that he was traveling with his entire suite. And I 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.920 don't know what that means is necessarily, I think there's 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:45.639 like a bunch of rooms. So that sounds like a 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:50.960 little work for the There's another definition, which is like 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.600 and entourage. Um. And it does sound like he was 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.320 definitely traveling with more than the one attendant. But Harry 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.800 Krauss was his an attendant when he was in Austrian Germany. 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.160 So I this this is something that I'm glad that 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.600 you did more research on the vehicle than I did. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.959 Because if I'm understanding this, this is a seat with 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.000 a set of wheels under it is not a full enclosure. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:22.320 Would that be correct? Yeah, it's probably more like two seats. 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.800 But yeah, okay, my reason for that is the descriptions 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.600 of his disappearance. I want this to be understood. Yeah, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.840 I would encourage people to look up. It's like shas 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.520 like a shay lounge. So it's c H A I 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.080 S E. You can look it up and you will 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.840 immediately go, oh that thing you know in in my 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:48.240 uh my high class family, we call it a chase lounge. Um, 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:49.800 I am from the woods and I know who you 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:54.199 are anyway, Um, Benjamin was dressed in gray trousers on 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.360 the day of his disappeared. Well, this was his traveling gear, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.119 so it was the entire time he was basically wearing this. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.680 He was dressed in gray trousers, a gray frogged short coat. 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:09.359 Frogs are okay, frogs are. This is where my degree 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:13.119 comes in hand. Two times here tis here So you 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.359 know when you see the like really ornate embroidery on 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.639 either side, and then you've got the thing that's just 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.440 a ball that goes through loop. Okay, for everybody who's 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.280 not in the studio, Devin is pointing at where the 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:31.520 lapels of a jacket it's on your it's instead of buttons. 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.439 It doesn't have to be up here to be all 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.880 the way down. I that was just a convenient place 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.120 for me to be in front of the microphone. Yeah. Um. 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.440 And then so it's the little ball that goes through loop. 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.760 It's not a button. It's all fabric or embroidery. So 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.760 you guys know what those are, yeah, from wearing right now? Yeah, 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:54.520 And a short coat is um, it's a short coat. Um, 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.680 it's kind of like a like a fur lined capelet 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.040 that has sleeves. Is is this kind of like the 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.960 short eighties gene jacket that has currently come back into fashion, 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.600 you know, like if you take that length but make 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.480 it a cloak with sleeves. Yes, Okay, so I was 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.919 right fashion. Okay, we'll just go ahead and a grating 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.000 disagree on that one. Um. Anyway, so he wore his 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:28.080 gray frogged shortcoat over a sable for greatcoat lined with 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.760 I'm sorry over which he wore. That's how I wrote it. 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.639 You're welcome over which he wore a sable for greatcoat 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.760 which was lined with a violet velvet and a matching 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:46.360 sable hat. Spending wardrobe there. Yes, he also had a 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.399 scarf and a very valuable diamond pin that like you know, 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.000 pinned the scarf. Probably he was wearing it kind of 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.960 like a jibo, which is like when you you know, 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.800 like I'm sorry, I'm like trying to find it, well, 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.919 all staying in scarf and wrapped around and then you 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.240 put a pin right here. Yeah. I was just talking 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.480 about you guys know this guy, right, I mean you've 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:12.600 seen paintings of this guy of course, right, yea, And yeah, 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:14.800 obviously a wealthy guy. Yeah, I like to show it 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:19.320 and not really hiding it while traveling through like rural 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:25.680 enemy territory. Yeah, not wise. Alright, So okay, what is 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:30.920 our boy doing? Okay, So he arrives in Pearlberg, Germany 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:38.080 on November eighteen. Oh not, I'm sorry. Um, it was 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.240 kind of in the like mid day is my understanding 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:42.919 of when he arrived, and he spent the afternoon writing 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:47.080 letters and then burning those letters, some letters, not all 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:48.960 of them, some of them, and then he went to 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.760 a local coffee house where he contacted one Captain Klitzing, 0:22:53.680 --> 0:23:01.320 who was the commander of a squadron of like crusade 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:07.000 basically like friendly soldiers in that town. Um friendly to 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.879 his English plate and basically he said he was a 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:14.920 merchant and he didn't think he was safe, so could um, 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.080 could the captain please provide him with a couple of 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:21.600 soldiers to guard him? And the captain probably saying like crap, Yeah, 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.040 this is a really boring place. You can have a 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:28.960 couple of soldiers. He was also super agitated. He according 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:33.960 to the According to the accountings, Bathurst was making all 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.400 of the gestures of a guy who was whigging out. Yeah. 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.119 He apparently couldn't even hold a cup of coffee to 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.920 his lips without trembling. He was really freaked out. That's 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:47.840 what happens with me, right, So the captain says, okay, yeah, 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:49.200 you can have a couple of guards. We're not really 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.720 doing that much right now anyway, So here you go. Um. 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.840 So Bathurst goes back to the inn, which was called 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.159 the White Swan, that he was staying at um and 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.439 where his horse and carriage were stable blah blah blah um, 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.640 and that that's where he had been writing letters as well. 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:07.399 Was that in um, he goes back with his two guards. Um, 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.680 he slept fitfully on a table for a couple hours 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:12.919 in like the middle of the afternoon, which is what 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.640 happens when you have a bunch of coffee, right, Because 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.840 this plan was to travel at night to attention, right, well, 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.080 it became his plan when he originally arrived in town. 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.240