Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: There's a quiet storm brewing from the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 2: It's around the NFL. I'm Dan Hans's got heroes here.
Speaker 3: I always do.
Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler people should know well speaking of
Speaker 2: Behind Blue Eyes with Belichick on our last show, Mark's
Speaker 2: Got the Icy Blues. Sometimes there's still a storm that
Speaker 2: can rage. But the nickname doesn't fit quite as well
Speaker 2: as it did five, six, seven years ago.
Speaker 3: It will continue to be your nickname.
Speaker 2: On a level, Yeah, but the quiet storm is a
Speaker 2: different chapter in the Mark Sessler life on a certain level.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd say it's it bubbles to the surface
Speaker 4: less than it used to. And I acknowledge that I'd
Speaker 4: tried to work on some things, and especially when we
Speaker 4: have a special guest in studio, I try to keep
Speaker 4: a lid on some of my own temper.
Speaker 3: Not for me.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, let me introduce Okay, sorry, a very special
Speaker 2: guest in studio.
Speaker 3: As answer.
Speaker 2: What I mean, what do you think Patrick CLAYBN Ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, Pat what do you think about whether or
Speaker 2: not we agree with you, or I agree with you,
Speaker 2: or the outside world agrees with the unmomentum. What do
Speaker 2: you feel about the idea of momentum and its existence
Speaker 2: becoming a central tenant of your your public face in
Speaker 2: a way?
Speaker 5: I guess it's like, you know, Patrick has involved in
Speaker 5: another dumb argument, this time with the planet. It happens
Speaker 5: all the time in many aspects of my life. I'm
Speaker 5: glad people are thinking about me at all, in any
Speaker 5: you know, and so especially when it comes to this
Speaker 5: where if I've caused anybody, whether they believe or don't
Speaker 5: or whatever, to just think about you know, and the
Speaker 5: way things work, Yeah, your own personal reality.
Speaker 4: Have you ever had a moment, like in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night where you've been like, oh, I do
Speaker 4: believe in momentum.
Speaker 2: No, how about this, and this is a little meta.
Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about the idea your beliefs or
Speaker 2: lack of belief in momentum has gained momentum within your
Speaker 2: own life? That's a problem. No, I mean I believe
Speaker 2: in cause and effect.
Speaker 5: This thing that comes up, even when I don't bring
Speaker 5: it up right like we're talking about it now, is
Speaker 5: a result of people thinking.
Speaker 3: And that's good, you know.
Speaker 5: I And and really, if we want to go before
Speaker 5: we get to that because I'll go this is I'll
Speaker 5: lose track of everything.
Speaker 3: I think the quiet storm is always brewing.
Speaker 5: My issue is with the way that society might force
Speaker 5: the storm to be quiet, and I don't want that.
Speaker 5: I want the storm to be out. I want Mark
Speaker 5: Sessler to be with that. Sessler twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 5: thank you. I just need to get that.
Speaker 1: I'll take that to heart.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that Dan and Greg need it twenty
Speaker 4: four hours a day.
Speaker 6: But I feel like literally the last time we were
Speaker 6: in this podcast studio, or maybe it was Wednesday last
Speaker 6: week we were, there was some poking of the bear
Speaker 6: and this the eyes the storm was coming out just
Speaker 6: last week.
Speaker 3: Oh well, maybe it's still.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like I.
Speaker 4: Said, I think it kind of is like Nature's law
Speaker 4: and America wasn't it gets little storms like November, December,
Speaker 4: January right.
Speaker 2: How the mock draft and let would also be stated
Speaker 2: that the quiets the dissipation of the quiet storm or
Speaker 2: of it moving out. To see, from my perspective, is
Speaker 2: not me even saying Patrick that's a good or bad thing.
Speaker 2: It's just more me being a Mark Sessler meteorologist and
Speaker 2: being like, right now, it seems like the storm is
Speaker 2: out to see is it permanently out? Could have come
Speaker 2: back in as a what do they call it? The
Speaker 2: high highest level hurricane and most we've got a category
Speaker 2: if I cat five, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean seven day weekly forecast. We don't know what's
Speaker 4: after that week.
Speaker 3: Where we stand on weather. By the way we on
Speaker 3: the weathermen that we.
Speaker 1: Live in LA. I literally knew it.
Speaker 4: Bothers me that anyone in La is ever looking at
Speaker 4: the weather on any level.
Speaker 3: We had.
Speaker 4: We've got like eighty two weather ladies on all these
Speaker 4: stations telling us what's going to have a lot.
Speaker 3: Of weather we had, we had a run there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, dude, I'm just saying, I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's raining like the old seventy time raining. So
Speaker 2: everyone's driving twenty five miles slower and acting like they've
Speaker 2: never seen, you know, the elements.
Speaker 5: To those of us who have logged a decade now
Speaker 5: and are spoiled rotten, that was weather to us.
Speaker 1: No like uh, in fairness, I lived on the East
Speaker 1: Coast a long time. Give me a snow day.
Speaker 6: It does not rain for four street days at any point,
Speaker 6: like without stopping on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: Some crazy things are happening. Crazy things are happening.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's there's been some storms, not all quiet momentum on
Speaker 2: the weather scenario.
Speaker 1: There things are changing.
Speaker 2: See how it's all It's like a Seinfeld episode. Everything's
Speaker 2: connected all right? Today is around the AFC in forty
Speaker 2: eight minutes. Feels like we just did one of these
Speaker 2: episodes he did almost just maybe speaks to a lack
Speaker 2: of originality, but they are very effective in their goal,
Speaker 2: which is and I get it.
Speaker 6: We don't usually do a like late free agency prop.
Speaker 2: I didn't think so that was an extra one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why it was a little bit on my radar. However,
Speaker 2: I love these episodes and I know the listeners love
Speaker 2: them because when you talk, for instance, we just did
Speaker 2: our winners and losers, and we get a bunch of
Speaker 2: teams in the mix, but you're gonna miss teams. We
Speaker 2: will not miss a single team. We have missed a
Speaker 2: team in the past one time. Yeah, apologies to the
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills fans of twenty eighteen or whatever. We promise
Speaker 2: that will never happen again, and if it does, it
Speaker 2: is the producer's fault.
Speaker 3: I think that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think put the blame elsewhere that type ability.
Speaker 6: But this post draft one we may have done all
Speaker 6: the way back to like twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: I think we've done this every time.
Speaker 3: Just this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one I think gets it's cleared. Eric, How
Speaker 2: are you doing great? How was your wedding?
Speaker 1: My wedding?
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean yeah, I didn't no good. It was
Speaker 2: a wife's coworker, so I was really not that invested.
Speaker 2: Had some beers, White's pregnant, didn't have to drive home.
Speaker 2: This is this is a rough listen for them, Big
Speaker 2: Big Funk. I don't think they're listening Big Funk exactly.
Speaker 3: Bad beat, bad beat.
Speaker 2: Big Funk did a nice job pinch hitting well ill,
Speaker 2: which is never fun.
Speaker 1: Didn't even tell us he was ill until the till
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 2: He will find a way to work it in though,
Speaker 2: although there was there was before the show started. He
Speaker 2: had a hot mic on while we were set up
Speaker 2: remote and you could tell he was struggling and trying
Speaker 2: to get things going. There's a lot of stuff to
Speaker 2: do as a producer. And you can actually hear Big
Speaker 2: Funk's inner monologue going like, oh.
Speaker 3: Okay, I do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he made it through. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: flu game for him. I haven't seen him though since yes,
Speaker 2: I did see him with our neighbors, so I didn
Speaker 2: see him. He's alive, but yeah, he flu game. He
Speaker 2: was definitely under the weather on Saturday. Okay, good, all right,
Speaker 2: let's uh without further ado play.
Speaker 3: Bund's have got it.
Speaker 1: Out hosting Total Access though we check that out.
Speaker 2: Oh hell, I will ditch them if it comes to it. Guys,
Speaker 2: amitted to all the teams. If this is your first episode,
Speaker 2: that's cool. So this is the show where we go
Speaker 2: around an entire conference three minutes per team, three minutes exactly.
Speaker 2: And I knew ETP wouldn't miss this show because this
Speaker 2: is when he gets to take out a weapon and
Speaker 2: literally shoot a man in the throat if he must
Speaker 2: to get him to shut up after three minutes. That's
Speaker 2: part of the rules right there. And I don't know
Speaker 2: why Patrick ketch one of the gut there. He didn't
Speaker 2: need it, didn't deserve it, desk pop what is it from?
Speaker 2: Do not shoot anything into the ceilings here? The sky's
Speaker 2: already falling here at NFL Media. All right, let's get
Speaker 2: into it, starting with the Buffalo Bills and Mark Ceciler.
Speaker 4: We're not skipping the Bills this time. The Bills a
Speaker 4: lot of needs. Ten draft picks in total, added help
Speaker 4: though at safety, defensive tackle, defensive end, cornerback, two new
Speaker 4: offensive tackle, a running back, and a wide receiver, and
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman, who dazzled in his pressler by announcing that
Speaker 4: his coat was from Macy's.
Speaker 1: Butffalo is attempting a soft rebuild.
Speaker 4: From my pov called to reload if you'd like, while
Speaker 4: hoping to remain one of the AFC's white hot treats.
Speaker 4: I've talked for weeks months that I sense a darkness
Speaker 4: filtering out of Western New York, a tightening vice, an
Speaker 4: aura of internal pressure, outside doubts. This has been one
Speaker 4: of the AFC's best stories over the past half decade.
Speaker 4: Only the deeply cynical can't see something beautiful about the
Speaker 4: existence of the Buffalo Bills. Yet I have a hunch
Speaker 4: they'll find a way to crumble. Am I being too
Speaker 4: tough on our beloved Bill?
Speaker 3: Oh? Boy?
Speaker 6: Yes, I pushed back against this whole idea that they
Speaker 6: are rebuilding, reloading anything like that. What if I told
Speaker 6: you they have as much continuity as almost any team
Speaker 6: in the NFL. They have twenty I counted up somewhere
Speaker 6: between nineteen and twenty one starters on their team that
Speaker 6: were with the Bills last year. It's not an old roster.
Speaker 6: The offensive line isn't in as good shape as it's
Speaker 6: ever been with Josh Allen. They get Matt Malano back, Like,
Speaker 6: there's great continuity, And I know they lost a couple
Speaker 6: older pieces in the secondary, but the guys who are
Speaker 6: playing there were there playing for them and they're young.
Speaker 6: Last year, I actually look at a pretty strong roster
Speaker 6: and yeah, you lost Stefan Diggs, but other than that,
Speaker 6: this offseason, like they are a team that has a
Speaker 6: lot of continuity, guys that were with the program a
Speaker 6: year day.
Speaker 4: They lost a lot of like veteran locker room leaders
Speaker 4: and yet to make some of those moves.
Speaker 1: But what can act like they lost no one.
Speaker 6: I think this is what they have, veteran locker room leaders,
Speaker 6: is what I would say.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of sick of having this argument too, because
Speaker 2: I just because a certain type of window for this
Speaker 2: team closed doesn't mean the people that are saying I
Speaker 2: are saying they can't contend. Like but the Stefan Diggs
Speaker 2: von Miller when he was still good Josh Allen on
Speaker 2: the rise, like that version of the Bills didn't get
Speaker 2: over the hump. So now they're making some adjustments and
Speaker 2: going out of a different route. I still can see
Speaker 2: them as the favorite Navecy East, but this is a
Speaker 2: year of transition on some level despite the continuity.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the difficulty is being better than they were at
Speaker 5: their peak, and nobody is making the case that they are.
Speaker 5: But there could be some teams to come back, Maybe
Speaker 5: the Chiefs come back. Maybe this because the Bengals went
Speaker 5: through a similar situation in the secondary last year, right,
Speaker 5: and they eventually got better.
Speaker 2: But it's going to be a slow start. I think
Speaker 2: it's always a process to get back to where you were.
Speaker 2: The only part that the conversation comes in is are
Speaker 2: you doing things that might deliberately hamstring your ability and
Speaker 2: are you making those choices with full awareness of what
Speaker 2: the results are going to be. Nobody knows the results,
Speaker 2: but I think we can be confident in the Bills.
Speaker 2: But the reason that we have these conversations is because
Speaker 2: we're not as confident as we once were because of
Speaker 2: the decisions that they made.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is where Odell Beckham goes We've talked about that.
Speaker 2: The Miami Dolphins with Patrick Claybah. I looking at the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Miami Dolphins as I scroll back, they
Speaker 2: came into a free agency with a lot of questions
Speaker 2: on the defensive line, and then they got even more
Speaker 2: questions as Christian Wilkins made his way to Las Vegas,
Speaker 2: and so they The.
Speaker 5: Injury for Jalen Phillips was in week twelve. It was
Speaker 5: a December thirty first ACL tear for Bradley Chubb. And
Speaker 5: so you go into a first round where you're looking
Speaker 5: at the edges and Dallas Turner, Layoutu Latu and Jared
Speaker 5: Verse are the productive guys, and they all go and
Speaker 5: so now you've got a need and you fill that
Speaker 5: need with Chop Robinson, who is the projection guy. Like
Speaker 5: it's like, well, we hope that we can have Chop
Speaker 5: grow and learn and go into this season and become
Speaker 5: a better player maybe twenty twenty five. But I don't
Speaker 5: know that you put the traits guy in the role
Speaker 5: of the production guys. And so I have faith in
Speaker 5: the offense, but Fangio's departure, the injuries on the defensive line,
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's a pressure to be generated
Speaker 5: to make this defense what it can be. For the
Speaker 5: off I have all the faith and Mike Mack and
Speaker 5: everything in the offense intua, I just not know that
Speaker 5: the defense is it.
Speaker 4: They lost three of six players that had five plus
Speaker 4: sacks from a year ago, and they've got injured player
Speaker 4: people coming off injuries, so they had a lot of
Speaker 4: needs going into it. I don't have problem with them
Speaker 4: addressing it with where they were in the draft to
Speaker 4: do it. I look at the rest of their draft
Speaker 4: and it's like, I think their defense is a work
Speaker 4: in progress. But someone like Jalen Wright, whoevered seven point
Speaker 4: four yards per carry and is very fast, like this
Speaker 4: is kind of you know, is gonna work for Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 4: And they'd added some stuff on on offense. But you're right,
Speaker 4: I think the defense is a question mark. And they
Speaker 4: like the Bills, they're shift. They're a different team on
Speaker 4: some level from where they were a year ago.
Speaker 6: They have so many guys someone's got to get left
Speaker 6: out there. Moster a hn right, Jeff Wilson still in
Speaker 6: that roster. I liked what they did in the offseason
Speaker 6: in terms of like adding Kendell Fuller Jordan Poyer, But
Speaker 6: you mentioned Chop Robinson, bit of a project. Probably their
Speaker 6: second round pick Patrick Paul was looked at like as
Speaker 6: a trade. See like guy that they're gonna have to
Speaker 6: really coach up a lot of changes on their defense
Speaker 6: to your point, including that coordinator. And I worry about
Speaker 6: their offensive line spa cially lost some real talent and
Speaker 6: they're counting on guys who have been hurt a lot
Speaker 6: and really counting on Mike McDonald to coach up the
Speaker 6: offensive line and make up for a lack of talent.
Speaker 1: And have they in your opinion of the group, group's opinion.
Speaker 2: Some of the fade of the offense in the last
Speaker 2: couple of years pipeing hot in September, not as hot
Speaker 2: by January. They didn't really address that, so they it
Speaker 2: feels like they see that as a narrative quote unquote,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna be okay there are we confident that
Speaker 2: that's the case.
Speaker 6: No, I think that there is something to that that
Speaker 6: he starts off these seasons hot and they fade.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's like I and also when they go
Speaker 4: into Kansas City and it's like minus eighty four degrees,
Speaker 4: like they're not built that way and that's not no like.
Speaker 2: They could have taken the end of last year and
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, what do we need to do to
Speaker 2: Justin and maybe maybe it is the quarterback and that
Speaker 2: would take another year to figure out. But that's that's
Speaker 2: a big question around this team. It will remain that way.
Speaker 5: But I don't think it's a Kingsbury style faith though
Speaker 5: none it's.
Speaker 1: Hard to do that.
Speaker 2: The New England Patriots such it's it's you deserved it
Speaker 2: because you were commenting on his comment that was about that.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't I shouldn't have put a ribbon on it
Speaker 4: or a bow as they'd say, I know, one of
Speaker 4: those things.
Speaker 3: Well, now you have a wound, so use the ribbons.
Speaker 2: The bandage, yes, the bleeding which is quite extensive right now,
Speaker 2: that's efficient.
Speaker 3: Just the heads up the New England Patriots.
Speaker 6: Greg Rosenthal, Okay, I'm going to ask the question and
Speaker 6: then quickly answer it myself. Hopefully is this enough for
Speaker 6: Drake May? Like around Drake May?
Speaker 3: That was the most Greg comment ever.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, love Jalen Poke seems like a Robert woodsyand
Speaker 6: type of guy that can step in fairly soon and contribute.
Speaker 6: Javon Baker was the guy people loved it. A deep three.
Speaker 6: He's a fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 6: H the offensive line, they're gonna have to coach it up.
Speaker 6: They take a third round pick. They don't really have
Speaker 6: a left tackle right now, but it's pretty deep at
Speaker 6: receiver Kendrick Bourne to Mario Douglas, Jalen Polk, Juju Smith, Schuster,
Speaker 6: kJ Osborn, like it's a ton of third receivers, but
Speaker 6: they do have at least a bunch of them. I
Speaker 6: tend to think if you add in Rimandri and Antonio Gibson,
Speaker 6: they have enough people around him, and they have Jacobe Brissett.
Speaker 6: I'm mostly worried about the coaching that is Alex van
Speaker 6: Pelt and who else like their their quarterbacks coach, and
Speaker 6: then our old friend from New York. Why am I
Speaker 6: blanking right now? Who's on the staff too? Like is
Speaker 6: the coaching staff gonna be good enough? Because it's to
Speaker 6: me a lot of discarded pieces at wide receiver and
Speaker 6: in the coaching staff offensively that have to like make
Speaker 6: this all work cohesion wise.
Speaker 4: I think Van Pelt's gonna bring us to Fanski type offense,
Speaker 4: you know largely, and I you know, that's not a
Speaker 4: huge wide receiver.
Speaker 6: Why was he the one guy that no one ever
Speaker 6: wanted to interview? And I was thinking of Ben McAdoo.
Speaker 2: By the way, no one wanted his photo on the website.
Speaker 4: I mean, but I think it's interesting to see what
Speaker 4: happens with these whiteouts because they kind of zigged and
Speaker 4: took like five straight offensive players.
Speaker 1: I liked the trying around may to build them up.
Speaker 4: But Belichick drafted twenty one wideouts and only one of them,
Speaker 4: Deion Branch ever, crossed six hundred yards in a season.
Speaker 1: So it's like at some point he's got a hit
Speaker 1: on one of these.
Speaker 6: Well, Jillian Edelman, but technically he wasn't a wide autut
Speaker 6: fair right, I mean, Julian not a wide when he
Speaker 6: was a he was a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, comes in quarterback. They figured it out.
Speaker 1: You know, it's all true wide receiver in the draft.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, go back to the Chad Jackson draft.
Speaker 5: Whether I leave, the Patriots took him seven.
Speaker 6: Athol Johnson was a second round pick. Is a guy
Speaker 6: he didn't even mention he was a second round pick
Speaker 6: two years ago. They don't think he's going to make the.
Speaker 5: Team, but eventually, like these things are going to even
Speaker 5: out and the Patriots aren't going to hit on somebody.
Speaker 5: It's I don't know if it's a Belichick thing, if
Speaker 5: it's an evaluation thing, or who knows, but the whole
Speaker 5: thing is a big question mark to me, not not
Speaker 5: just the coaching staff and disassembly. But it's not going
Speaker 5: to be worse than Matt Patricia offense, like it's not
Speaker 5: going to be change is going to be good in
Speaker 5: that capacity, and I think it will give us an
Speaker 5: ability to learn.
Speaker 3: But before the season, who knows that.
Speaker 2: It will be interesting to track Reggie. I know you
Speaker 2: will be tracking a close. The Pets moved back to
Speaker 2: take Jilyn Polk at thirty seven when Lad McConkie was there,
Speaker 2: so now you're naturally gonna kind of be tracking both
Speaker 2: those guys and see who's the better pro.
Speaker 6: There was a report they tried to trade into thirty
Speaker 6: two Buffalo or Carolina chose to trade with Buffalo, and
Speaker 6: then the Patriots moved back, so Mike Reese suspects they
Speaker 6: were moving up for either Keon Coleman or Xavier Lagette
Speaker 6: and then that guy was taken.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: It's tough, tough, tough, sitch, we move on the New
Speaker 2: York Kuts.
Speaker 1: You're just trying to.
Speaker 6: Be to take a time out there, it goes, give
Speaker 6: me that time out, time out. I just wanted to
Speaker 6: put a little bit of a news onto the show.
Speaker 2: That inside Greg Rosenthal. Greg tastefull to take someone else's
Speaker 2: bit that they made and repurpose it.
Speaker 1: But I'll let you have it an original.
Speaker 2: You could have come up with one on your own,
Speaker 2: so it's all yours.
Speaker 6: And we got we got breaking media news from uh
Speaker 6: the podcast that that our guy Bill Belichick will be
Speaker 6: a part of the Tom Brady roast that Mark Sessler
Speaker 6: is attending this weekend, and uh, I am for what
Speaker 6: I'm thinking for to Bill Belichick roasting Tom Brady in
Speaker 6: a big spot at the Days.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I was telling someone.
Speaker 4: I was telling someone like, how do you have this
Speaker 4: roast without one of two people, if not both? Belichick
Speaker 4: showing up? Obviously he seems to be doing the rounds.
Speaker 4: It makes sense for him. But also I don't know Gizelle.
Speaker 4: I throw Gizelle in there. She could at this point
Speaker 4: they can, they.
Speaker 1: Can co parents. I don't think you're getting Gizelle.
Speaker 4: We're getting Belichick and I kind of had a feeling
Speaker 4: that was gonna happen, and we've we've got a friend
Speaker 4: who's actually working on the production from it from.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why this was.
Speaker 6: This is exclusive around the NFL, and I always know
Speaker 6: breaking here.
Speaker 2: I mean, as an insider, people shouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: know your sources immediately.
Speaker 1: I know exactly who your source was. Does that matter?
Speaker 2: True insiders know who's getting the bee from where sounds threatened?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 6: Ben Affleck was listed as probable. They not totally locked in,
Speaker 6: but uh it sounds like a Ben.
Speaker 1: Aff We have good seats too, but I mean, we're
Speaker 1: not up in the middle of Newers.
Speaker 2: It stands my original point that I made on Saturday Night,
Speaker 2: you know, making Belichick go through these dances.
Speaker 3: Now he's at some dopey roast.
Speaker 6: Well, but these are He's a grown man who is
Speaker 6: choosing to accept No, he's doing what I'm telling him
Speaker 6: to do. He's choosing to accept money in exchange for
Speaker 6: having some fun or doing something.
Speaker 3: Well, people, people are getting paid for this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and ps, the event, the event that I'm going
Speaker 4: to is not dopey.
Speaker 1: That's your take. Well, people, wait, you think they're doing
Speaker 1: it for free.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 5: I actually my understanding that this entire engagement I can't.
Speaker 5: I would rather watch another sixty episodes of Blazing the
Speaker 5: Monster Machines or Paul Patrol. I am interested in anything
Speaker 5: in the world more than a roast of Tom Brady
Speaker 5: featuring Bill Belichick or the Patriots documentary.
Speaker 3: I've seen enough Patriots. I'm done with the Patriots.
Speaker 4: People are down on this, not Theatrick are not please
Speaker 4: at this event.
Speaker 6: I was surprised because when I told Emaka this, she
Speaker 6: was like, would you want to try to go?
Speaker 1: And I was like, this feels weird. I know, I don't,
Speaker 1: or you guys are all too cool for this event.
Speaker 6: No, now that Belichick is in it, I want to
Speaker 6: watch it. I'm going to watch it, but I don't
Speaker 6: want to spend her Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 5: I'm not too cool for anything. I would again anything
Speaker 5: on the planet. I'll go to an astrological convention. I'll
Speaker 5: have a palm reader. I do not that.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be clips on my timeline and people, but
Speaker 2: that's where I stand.
Speaker 4: I say, at least if I'm going, I don't have
Speaker 4: to look at any of those clips ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you have to sit in that chair
Speaker 2: for five hours because there's a TV production. There's something
Speaker 2: speaking a post quiet storm. Mark Sessler, Yeah, way on
Speaker 2: my radar. Not in a negative way, but like you
Speaker 2: got all these weird events now, like you're always going
Speaker 2: to different things. This is this is this a new
Speaker 2: sess Dog move as well.
Speaker 1: This was like a surprise purchase for me. Oh I didn't.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I want to go though, would you
Speaker 2: have gone if it wasn't purchase.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have occurred to me like to go.
Speaker 2: I don't think, Well you will you be able to
Speaker 2: give us some boots on the ground reporting next week?
Speaker 3: I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Maybe like from the venue.
Speaker 4: So it's like the old w FA and NFL things
Speaker 4: where they report from stadiums, like get the crowd noise
Speaker 4: behind us, and I give you a two minute.
Speaker 2: My guesses will be brutally sanitized in the edit. So
Speaker 2: tom Brady Corp. Doesn't let certain things through. But they
Speaker 2: can't get asked. Mark Sessler, the Insider.
Speaker 1: No, they cannot. They say, it's live.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna have to sign something?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 3: I don't think. So you have to turn in your phone.
Speaker 1: I won't do that.
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler arrested Senter good scoopage Greg like, it's you
Speaker 2: are the Tom pellisero to my in wrap report, and
Speaker 2: I think that's a that's a fair way to look
Speaker 2: at it, just like Ian is not at all threatened
Speaker 2: by Tom Pelson, nor am I.
Speaker 3: All right? Time in nice half fun.
Speaker 1: Mark, it was more like a halftime show than a time.
Speaker 1: Where is it at the Forum? Yes, my god, yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: I never been there, so that's huge.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be What kind of seats do you have?
Speaker 4: If I recall they were, they weren't like nosebleeds. They
Speaker 4: were pretty good.
Speaker 3: Free parking park of working with the company here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could park in our roge. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 4: last remaining perk.
Speaker 3: Up.
Speaker 2: Next New York Jets real talk, as much as the
Speaker 2: diehards right here were locked and loaded on the idea
Speaker 2: of the Jets as a legit title contender immediately upon
Speaker 2: Rodgers's arrival last April, Aaron Rodgers, it's fair to acknowledge,
Speaker 2: now with the benefit of hindsight, that that could have
Speaker 2: been seen as a stretch because exploding Achilles or no,
Speaker 2: the roster was flawed the offensive line was bad, the
Speaker 2: skill positions shaky, and I think now the Jets have
Speaker 2: clearly benefited from the distance of the Rogers Moon period,
Speaker 2: the influx of Aaron's guys who ultimately didn't work out.
Speaker 2: Mike Williams huge upgrade over Alan Lazard. How can third
Speaker 2: round rookie Malock I Colely not be better than Randall Cobb,
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith, Morgan Moses, first round pook Ola Fashanu massive
Speaker 2: steps up from the tackles last year. I can't get
Speaker 2: these green rose tinted glasses off my face.
Speaker 3: You know that?
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have to tell me, Am I nuts?
Speaker 2: Or did the Jets dare I say, quietly have a
Speaker 2: great offseason.
Speaker 6: I don't think anything about It's been quiet, but I
Speaker 6: do expect that it's gonna be I guess in relation
Speaker 6: to last when you get to training camp. Once we
Speaker 6: finally get to the season, people are like, actually, this
Speaker 6: is gonna be the year for the Jets, and they
Speaker 6: become like a trendy pick again because on paper, I
Speaker 6: think the roster construction is better than it was a
Speaker 6: year ago when they had all that hype, and they
Speaker 6: have some insurance policies like Alan Blizard, for instance, you
Speaker 6: mentioned like he's still a wide receiver for but that's
Speaker 6: kind of a perfect role for Alan Wizard.
Speaker 4: Outside of Zach Wilson, Douglass has done a nice, very
Speaker 4: nice job hitting on key draft picks and I and
Speaker 4: so I I'm out. You know last was a disaster.
Speaker 4: Sure like there's been a there's been a missus. But
Speaker 4: I would say that you've you this is not a surprise.
Speaker 4: I think the thing is I want to see, number one,
Speaker 4: how the NFL responds to the Jets overall world when
Speaker 4: they when the schedule comes out. I think it's going
Speaker 4: to be a little more caution than to throw them
Speaker 4: on five or six games.
Speaker 1: And I think they'll be on five or six.
Speaker 4: I mean, I I don't know though, because I think
Speaker 4: something feels more like a prove it year to me.
Speaker 4: But I do think, like outside of maybe the fact
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to want Monitor brock Bowers, who they
Speaker 4: passed on, which could have been a very spicy pick
Speaker 4: for the Jets, like, I do think they're better.
Speaker 1: I like what they did.
Speaker 6: They traded up for Corley, who is very similar to
Speaker 6: me to what Christian Watson was coming out of college
Speaker 6: and what Aaron Rodgers can serve like a limited route
Speaker 6: but a guy who can make plays after the catch.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's an important part where you can
Speaker 2: do things. And it's just that how long is the
Speaker 2: adjustment period with Aaron to where he's wanting where Aaron
Speaker 2: wants him to run? And it's you know, Aaron's tried
Speaker 2: to do that by bringing in guys that he's previously
Speaker 2: played with. I think it's a nice meld now of
Speaker 2: like Tyron Smith, like these veteran guys who are still
Speaker 2: like towards the end but can still be productive as
Speaker 2: well as young guys.
Speaker 3: It's a lot to feel great about. But it's the.
Speaker 5: The Aaron Rodgers as well as you know his offensive coordinator,
Speaker 5: hand picked offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: Is is this going to work?
Speaker 4: And we have that is one thing like Nate Hackett,
Speaker 4: show it, show us why you're in this position on
Speaker 4: any level.
Speaker 1: Time out, time out, you knew that was going to happen.
Speaker 3: So here's this check this out.
Speaker 2: On Friday morning, New York Jets coach Robert Salad Channel
Speaker 2: does inner, Sonny Weaver. This is a writer from Rich
Speaker 2: so Many at ESPN dot com. Does anybody know who
Speaker 2: Sunny Weaver.
Speaker 1: Is Sonny Weaver, Heavin Costner's character.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows it, using a line from the twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: film Draft Day.
Speaker 3: Check it out if you're watching on YouTube.
Speaker 2: At eleven nine am, about eight hours before the start
Speaker 2: of the second round of the Draft, saw a text
Speaker 2: at a photo of Malchi Corley to GM Joe Douglas.
Speaker 2: Underneath the photo, he wrote, no matter what. Douglas immediately replied,
Speaker 2: no matter what. My point being first of all, you know,
Speaker 2: congrats to my team. They wanted that guy in day two,
Speaker 2: they got him. The bigger point is Draft Day. Like
Speaker 2: I mean, I we've all talked about the movie on record.
Speaker 2: Not not a good movie by any stretch, but I
Speaker 2: have to give it pop Patrick. It's got legs. It
Speaker 2: has a cultural footprint. People talk about it every year
Speaker 2: around this time. It makes me wonder, like, what if
Speaker 2: we actually made a good movie about the Draft that
Speaker 2: would be a classic. But even in its flawed form,
Speaker 2: Draft Day has an audience and people have obviously been
Speaker 2: coming back to the movie.
Speaker 1: And I'm a little stunned, but good job by them.
Speaker 4: I don't know how many people are still we're referencing
Speaker 4: it going back and rewatching it.
Speaker 6: Yes, it seems to be a thing round draft time,
Speaker 6: people watching. I still have yet to watch it. I
Speaker 6: never need to, and I keep meaning you.
Speaker 3: Don't need to. I'll give you a tip.
Speaker 6: I just feel like people talk about it every year
Speaker 6: around Draft Day, you know, that week, and people start
Speaker 6: watching it again.
Speaker 4: So that means that Greg skipped the company event where
Speaker 4: they brought us to the Century City Movie Theater and
Speaker 4: I remember West went, you went?
Speaker 3: We went?
Speaker 4: Yes, Greg hard out another thing you're too cool for?
Speaker 4: You were too cool for that event.
Speaker 1: What year was that? Twenty fourteen? Yeah, saw a sleep prep?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they just it said the twenty fourteen film
Speaker 4: Draft Day and what you read before.
Speaker 3: Which then led to your iconic review of the film.
Speaker 4: I will never do that again in my life. I
Speaker 4: was at my parents' house and we'd just gotten there.
Speaker 4: It was like these guys called me and I had,
Speaker 4: you know, I had a couple classes of wine with
Speaker 4: my mom and dad, and then I'm like overly glowing
Speaker 4: about Draft Day.
Speaker 1: I wrote a paragraph, but look at.
Speaker 2: It now, it doesn't seem so it what I said
Speaker 2: that what I said seems absurd Apart from started to
Speaker 2: fifth yeah, they took the way they took one little
Speaker 2: clipped part of it.
Speaker 4: There was some critique in there too, but it's like,
Speaker 4: let's take the little clip part.
Speaker 6: And I just want to know how many front oviouss
Speaker 6: like are exchanging these sort of texts because it wasn't
Speaker 6: quite No matter what, thirty two teams had the chance
Speaker 6: to prevent them from doing it throughout round two, and
Speaker 6: they did trade up.
Speaker 1: They were doing it, trade up just like Sounny Weaver, right, they.
Speaker 6: Said, throughout the second round, but didn't find the right deal,
Speaker 6: and then eventually they got uh Corley. But maybe maybe
Speaker 6: this is happening everywhere, but then they don't get the.
Speaker 1: Guys I do.
Speaker 6: I do want to point out though, Steve Smith had
Speaker 6: him as his number ten receiver in the draft, ahead
Speaker 6: of Ricky Piersall, head of Jalen Poke, and that just
Speaker 6: spoke to me because I was like, in a perfect world,
Speaker 6: maybe Milecie Corley has a little Uh Steve Smith to him,
Speaker 6: and in terms of his game, so game recognized game
Speaker 6: similar styles on some level that if Steve Smith liked
Speaker 6: him that much, that's a good photo confidence.
Speaker 4: It's very unbri that we've had two timeouts already we're
Speaker 4: still in the AFC East and have come around the
Speaker 4: Jets and the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Well, we got a Browns one coming up too, I'm
Speaker 2: guessing to that point. Malachi was also a subject to
Speaker 2: our friends at Underdog.
Speaker 3: Josh Norris and Hayden Winks.
Speaker 2: Had a really good review of Corley that he's been
Speaker 2: compared by some to Deebo Samuel, but he doesn't have
Speaker 2: nearly the explosive traits as Samuel, but he has the
Speaker 2: ability to maybe be a really good piece for them.
Speaker 2: All Right, now we move on two, the AFC North,
Speaker 2: but first we take a break.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: We moved to the AFC North and Patrick Claybohn is
Speaker 2: going to get u started with his Baltimore rate.
Speaker 5: Yes, the Baltimore Evens had all those departures on the
Speaker 5: offensive line, and they did ultimately take Roger Rosengarden in
Speaker 5: the second round. But to me, the plan appears to
Speaker 5: be being Cleveland and Andrew Vorhees to fill things out
Speaker 5: at guard, which I love is sticking with the plan.
Speaker 5: If you have that level of attrition on the offensive line,
Speaker 5: you can't just say, hey, we're gonna we're gonna draft
Speaker 5: some guys and then have a bunch of rookies playing
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: That never works. So you stick with the.
Speaker 5: Plan that they have and then they take They take
Speaker 5: Nate Wiggins. I know people had expressed some size concerns
Speaker 5: with Nate Wiggins, but some of that he was sick
Speaker 5: before the combine. I think he played closer to one
Speaker 5: to eighty. They needed to become more athletic in the secondary.
Speaker 5: My overall question about the Ravens is this continued attrition.
Speaker 5: The addition of an extra hardball into the league has
Speaker 5: created more attrition. We've We've got a defensive coordinator that's
Speaker 5: the head coach of Seattle. You look around the league,
Speaker 5: there's more Ravens filtered out everywhere. At what point does
Speaker 5: it begin to accumulate and we start to see some effects.
Speaker 6: You won't feel them as dramatically if they keep hitting
Speaker 6: on their draft picks and if Eric Takasa keeps signing
Speaker 6: quality free agents late in the process. It does feel
Speaker 6: like the last two years especially. It's amazing they got
Speaker 6: the one seed in a year that I thought this
Speaker 6: year was kind of a rebuilding year for them in
Speaker 6: terms of all the people that they left, just in
Speaker 6: terms of team building cycles. I don't think they're going
Speaker 6: to be losing this many people every year, but DaCosta
Speaker 6: has needs i would say at wide receiver, edge, cornerback,
Speaker 6: and offensive line still and so I think they will
Speaker 6: be adding more five hundred snap type veterans that are
Speaker 6: just sitting out there than most teams.
Speaker 4: And that is that as during these periods of attrition
Speaker 4: like been something that DaCosta and before them Ozzie news
Speaker 4: and Ozzie Newsman is still there, have done almost every offseason,
Speaker 4: and they tend to hit on those guys at a
Speaker 4: high percentage. So it's like, I'm not out on the
Speaker 4: Ravens like declining necessarily. To me, it's it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't like losing Mike McDonald, who I think is going
Speaker 4: to be like a awesome coach in Seattle and maximized
Speaker 4: maximize that Ravens roster in a way that you don't
Speaker 4: get every year, and so that's a big I don't
Speaker 4: like coordinator switches in general.
Speaker 6: I like that they locked up in a surprising move
Speaker 6: for Shad Baman for a couple years and I was like,
Speaker 6: why did they They really are banking on side baby,
Speaker 6: But it turns out he wasn't eligible for his fifth
Speaker 6: year option because he didn't report. He begins to he
Speaker 6: was gonna be a free agent, but he's now signed
Speaker 6: for three years and they were really counting on I mean, there,
Speaker 6: he's there two right now, Tess Walker, who drove me crazy.
Speaker 1: One sounds like a loophole for first round pick.
Speaker 3: Well, and I wondered about it.
Speaker 1: Raven.
Speaker 5: It's very difficult to utilize that loophole because immediately when
Speaker 5: I saw it, I was like, can players utilize this?
Speaker 5: But it turns out if you miss any amount of time,
Speaker 5: then your league year can't accrue. Whether it's if it's
Speaker 5: if it's a mandatory workout, and so I guess in
Speaker 5: theory somebody could get stuck in traffic and lose a
Speaker 5: year of a crew on that first day of mandatory.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's hard for player.
Speaker 6: But Baseman's are two, agalarts are three. I don't really
Speaker 6: trust des Walker. I mean he was a dart throat
Speaker 6: in the fourth round.
Speaker 2: I trust Walker Rosenthal. No totally separate conversation h trigger Finger.
Speaker 2: He is a inside on the rise that Walker Rosenthal
Speaker 2: a podcast about what the NFL does.
Speaker 1: He does he have Ian's pun number two. Maybe I
Speaker 1: thought you were talking about it.
Speaker 3: He has access to Greg.
Speaker 6: I think, is this a Roger Rosengarden joke? I do
Speaker 6: like the rose and garden.
Speaker 3: In Rose Garden. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: That was good the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals quietly took
Speaker 2: some big swings in their draft. We've talked about Amari Mims,
Speaker 2: a freakishly gifted we call indeed tackle prospect of just
Speaker 2: eight college starts, but the potential to be an all
Speaker 2: pro if it all clicks. It made me think of
Speaker 2: our old friend Chris Westling his fantasy theory. Don't settle
Speaker 2: for the sturdy floor, shoot for the limitless ceiling, and
Speaker 2: live with the potential whiff. Don't tell Chris Ballard I
Speaker 2: said this, but character concerns scared some teams away from
Speaker 2: Alabama receiver Jermaine Burton, but he's another example of a
Speaker 2: high ceiling prospect. They even took a Day three swing
Speaker 2: on a tight end Eric All who had that knee
Speaker 2: bad knee and spe iron injury in college. Bad combo there,
Speaker 2: but we'll see if he's okay. The Bengals have shown
Speaker 2: skill in their acquisition of college talent. I'm going to
Speaker 2: give him the benefit of the doubt. With Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: on the mend, a big draft could get them over
Speaker 2: the hunt.
Speaker 4: We talked about Jermaine Burton on our Draft Winners and
Speaker 4: Losers episode. I think he slides in and plays a lot.
Speaker 1: I like this draft.
Speaker 4: I think Mims it's kind of like they certainly have
Speaker 4: a type tackle, but they also I think Chris Jenkins
Speaker 4: is a good player who helps with the need. They
Speaker 4: were the They give of the third most yards per
Speaker 4: carry on the ground that defensive year ago in the league.
Speaker 4: Defense kind of sneaky, fell apart at times last year
Speaker 4: and it's like they need.
Speaker 6: Help right they signed Sheldon Rankins. It's wild that there's
Speaker 6: a Chris Jenkins back in the NFL. Chris Jenkins, the
Speaker 6: dad was not like a highly tout was he a
Speaker 6: highly touted prospect coming out, but it was absolutely ridiculous, beast.
Speaker 2: Biggest person I've ever seen in person. The definite of
Speaker 2: the newsroom I.
Speaker 6: Think they have to be concerned about is their secondary.
Speaker 6: They decided not to use a pick there Cam Taylor.
Speaker 6: Brid's coming off an injury, but you feel good about him.
Speaker 6: But after that you're counting on second year guys DJ Turner,
Speaker 6: Jordan Battle to really step up. Geno Stone is a
Speaker 6: bit of an unknown as a free agent pickup, and
Speaker 6: so a lot of questions in the secondary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if Genostone is the unknown, then then that's I
Speaker 5: feel like Genostone could be a known quantity.
Speaker 6: He could be great, But it's a guy in a
Speaker 6: new system. You know, asn't always started sixteen games, that
Speaker 6: sort of thing.
Speaker 5: But I think it helps in evaluating especially the new guys,
Speaker 5: the newer guys like you know, Dax Hill coming in
Speaker 5: and how you're going to move everybody in the secondary.
Speaker 5: If you have somebody where it's like we've seen him
Speaker 5: be successful in this and so now we know a
Speaker 5: little bit more with with the rest of our guys.
Speaker 5: But it's I think they were aggressive, like you could
Speaker 5: say that they were reaches. I'm with Dan like they
Speaker 5: took the aggressive route and we'll have to see because
Speaker 5: you have to take chances in order to be success.
Speaker 4: Are we concerned it all about a backfield that is
Speaker 4: in theory led by Zach Moss.
Speaker 1: No, you got Chase.
Speaker 4: I thought we like zachlassked him last year, But that's
Speaker 4: that's one year where I thought he did. He did
Speaker 4: come in in relief for the Colts and looked good,
Speaker 4: but that's not been every other season for him.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a whole.
Speaker 4: When they when they could batter people on the ground,
Speaker 4: they had helped the passing game a ton.
Speaker 5: There are very few guys who can handle the volume
Speaker 5: that Joe Mixon did in the run and pass game
Speaker 5: last year.
Speaker 2: Like very few and last But they got trashed in
Speaker 2: the trenches last year when they started zero and five,
Speaker 2: so three of their first four picks in the trenches.
Speaker 2: Up next the Cleveland Browns with Mark Sessler.
Speaker 4: All right, the Cleveland Browns have a two time Coach
Speaker 4: of the Year and Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, if healthy, we will. This is a
Speaker 1: wait and see.
Speaker 4: But if healthy, they have arguably the best back in
Speaker 4: the AFC and Nick Chubb. This is one of the
Speaker 4: best offensive lines in the conference. They basically kept everyone
Speaker 4: on defense, including Jim Schwartz the play caller, after operating
Speaker 4: as the nastiest unit around a season ago. They've got
Speaker 4: a tight end in Najoku. Dan's guy coming off in
Speaker 4: autumn where he played like a star there's a rash
Speaker 4: of Pro Bowl talent on this rosterrum both sides of
Speaker 4: the ball, and yet we don't talk about the Browns
Speaker 4: as sitting in any sort of a Super Bowl window,
Speaker 4: or even as a top five team in the AFC.
Speaker 4: For the most part, is it just because of the quarterback?
Speaker 4: Because I think that's obviously the obvious talking point. But
Speaker 4: like the Browns, to me, no matter the talent, feels
Speaker 4: like they're not in the conversation to go win multiple
Speaker 4: playoff games.
Speaker 6: This is a great win now year for them. They
Speaker 6: won eleven games a year ago. I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 6: Like the veteran team, there's a lot of continuity. I
Speaker 6: noticed that they might be the only team in the NFL.
Speaker 6: Someone out there tell me if I'm wrong. They don't
Speaker 6: have any projected starters that were drafted in the last
Speaker 6: two years. Part of that is the Shaun Watson trade.
Speaker 6: Part of that is just how they've built their roster.
Speaker 6: So it's a team of guys who have been there,
Speaker 6: who have shown their pretty talented. They got some questions
Speaker 6: maybe at like linebacker here and there, but for the
Speaker 6: most part, you're right, they should be good if they
Speaker 6: get the quarterback help.
Speaker 5: The quarterback help is presumably going to be better, right, Like,
Speaker 5: that's it, I.
Speaker 6: Mean to be good with average quarterback play. He doesn't
Speaker 6: even need to be that good.
Speaker 3: And so why not? Yeah, Mark's right, Like why.
Speaker 2: I think you know what I think it is, Mark,
Speaker 2: I think it's the Watson tax that they're still paying
Speaker 2: on different levels, because not only is Watson now in
Speaker 2: year three after two seasons that one lost to suspension,
Speaker 2: the second lost to not playing at a high level
Speaker 2: then getting hurt, you have a segment of the media
Speaker 2: and NFL fans that aren't really rooting for the Browns
Speaker 2: to be successful. And then there's the football component of like,
Speaker 2: you can't win and win a Super Bowl without a
Speaker 2: good quarterback and like, we don't have any evidence that
Speaker 2: he is that since he put on this uniform.
Speaker 1: No, because you have these teams out there.
Speaker 4: I remember the Rams were trying to do this before
Speaker 4: they got golf and everyone else was build a really
Speaker 4: great roster and do quarterback last, and like cool, But
Speaker 4: the Browns I think have done that under Andrew Berry
Speaker 4: is one of the better gms out there. And it's like,
Speaker 4: but you went and spent more money than anyone on
Speaker 4: the thing that should have been like the absolute engine
Speaker 4: that starts this thing. And it's like we're threes. We're
Speaker 4: entering year three where we have nothing but increasingly alarming
Speaker 4: questions about the position.
Speaker 6: The concern would be that Jim Schwartz's defense takes a
Speaker 6: step back. There's no reason why it should on paper,
Speaker 6: but just if you look at Jim Schwartz's career, it's
Speaker 6: had some big spikes and like a lot of defensive coordinators, like,
Speaker 6: it's hard to keep that going year after year, but
Speaker 6: they're good.
Speaker 1: They're good upfront on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 3: Like the team.
Speaker 5: It doesn't it doesn't help that the last thing we
Speaker 5: saw was then run out of NRG stadiums forty five
Speaker 5: to fourteen.
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, a lot of turnovers.
Speaker 3: But Toffy.
Speaker 1: The rival of the Cleveland Browns the Pittsburgh Steelers with
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal right, everyone loved the Steelers draft.
Speaker 6: There's a thing I saw where it adds up all
Speaker 6: the grades and so it's consensus grades.
Speaker 1: It's good, and the Steelers finish first.
Speaker 6: Like Steelers were uniformly a's across the board by investing
Speaker 6: in their offensive line with Fatanu who maybe fell a
Speaker 6: little bit, very athletic. Zach Frasier looks like a start.
Speaker 6: So you get two guys who can probably play right
Speaker 6: away up front. Russell I mean Roman Wilson is a
Speaker 6: receiver that can contribute right away as a third round pick.
Speaker 6: And then Peyton Wilson just a really exciting talented guy
Speaker 6: that fell because people think he's only gonna have one
Speaker 6: contract in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The quarterback is a thing.
Speaker 6: But when Mike Tomlin said, Russell Wilson fields Arthur Smith
Speaker 6: on our network, like, these guys have all been scalded.
Speaker 1: Am I a fool to buy in?
Speaker 6: When Mike Tomlin says, like they've all been scalded and
Speaker 6: they essentially they got something to prove.
Speaker 1: Am I a fool to buy in that? Like, man
Speaker 1: this roster, I could see it.
Speaker 3: No, he's a leader of men, that Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2: And even if you are a thousand miles away, three
Speaker 2: thousand miles away, you believe that's his thing.
Speaker 3: You ever have a fantasy.
Speaker 2: Draft, I think we all have where you just feel
Speaker 2: like the gods are with you a little bit and
Speaker 2: every time your turn comes up, that there's something there
Speaker 2: that you want that's sitting there, and I feel like
Speaker 2: getting a tackle at the first pick, then get in
Speaker 2: the center, and then you get the wide receiver. We
Speaker 2: know the Steelers know how to pick wide receivers in
Speaker 2: the middle rounds. You then you add with a linebacker. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I trust them and it's gonna be interesting to see
Speaker 2: what happens with this team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Daniel Jeremiah looked at the first five picks
Speaker 4: and they were all value picks and that's like, that's
Speaker 4: what the Steelers do when they're on their on their game.
Speaker 4: And Zach Fraser, especially the center out of West Virginia, like,
Speaker 4: I keep it all over and it was like, this
Speaker 4: is a Steelers type of player at the core.
Speaker 6: They they won the Consensus board game, you know how
Speaker 6: you got on Howie about that, Like, Steelers kind of
Speaker 6: won that too.
Speaker 1: But it makes it to me.
Speaker 6: It makes sense how they're building the rod if these
Speaker 6: are going to be their quarterbacks, how they're building the
Speaker 6: roster around him makes sense.
Speaker 1: And they might add another another receiver.
Speaker 6: Bryan McFadden, who used to be on the team and
Speaker 6: is in the media now, said he heard they're adding
Speaker 6: another playmaker. There were reports that they were in on
Speaker 6: the Courtland Sutton conversation. I don't know who that would be.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's just like Odell Beckham and that he could
Speaker 6: be a good role play for them.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Justin Fields and Russell Wilson same quarterback room. I forgot
Speaker 2: about that. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I'd play them. I play them. That's gonna be why
Speaker 1: came after game?
Speaker 3: Just play them to me a wild summer, just just
Speaker 3: have them.
Speaker 5: I mean, every everybody ends up playing anyway, right, So well,
Speaker 5: it's it's very rare that that everybody's gonna somebody's gonna
Speaker 5: need a backup quarterback. And the Steelers good are in
Speaker 5: a very very good position, definitely better in terms of
Speaker 5: their quarterback room than they have been in a very
Speaker 5: very long time.
Speaker 2: If the men involved, they're comfortable with, you know, the arrangement.
Speaker 2: You know, I wonder what the juice is gonna behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. Hard knocks, Steelers would be good.
Speaker 3: Oh, everybody would say the right thing.
Speaker 6: I'm getting those projected starters ready, oh hell yeah. The
Speaker 6: first tough question was Fields or or Russell Wilson. My
Speaker 6: gut is Fields. I just think he's better.
Speaker 2: So they're saying Russell is the guy with you. But
Speaker 2: they're saying Mike T's gonna make the right pick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't want it to happen to you.
Speaker 3: Pass.
Speaker 2: No, that's okay, I want to he took it. I
Speaker 2: was looking at the clock raising a shot. By the
Speaker 2: way too.
Speaker 6: That NFL network polo actually has magical power bounce bullets off.
Speaker 1: Apparently all our shirts do.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's saw a bit more. All right, I will
Speaker 2: from here onle you got a guyser wound in the
Speaker 2: little quiet stir coming. All right, take a break. We'll
Speaker 2: be right back with the AFC South. All right, we
Speaker 2: are back. Let's move to the AFC South. Around the
Speaker 2: AFC we are going arown the AFC in forty eight minutes.
Speaker 3: Hit the clock.
Speaker 2: The Texas no picks in the top forty, but they
Speaker 2: address both sides of the ball in the second round
Speaker 2: Georgia cornerback Kamari Lassiter and Notre Dame offensive tackle Blake Fisher.
Speaker 2: So after a draft that plugged holes at depth chart weaknesses,
Speaker 2: we spin forward with a team that has been widely
Speaker 2: favored to win the AFC South.
Speaker 3: Make a deep.
Speaker 1: Playoff run Stefan Diggs in the building.
Speaker 2: So you add that you know there was a upsetting
Speaker 2: incident around Tank Dell who was involved in a shooting,
Speaker 2: but he appears to be okay, and that's great. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we're old enough to answer this question because we all
Speaker 2: know the history of this franchise goes back to two
Speaker 2: thousand and two. Is this the deepest and best Houston
Speaker 2: Texans roster in franchise history?
Speaker 4: I would say that it's number one, by far, the
Speaker 4: best quarterback situation they've had.
Speaker 1: They're pretty deep all over the place.
Speaker 4: I think they have the best coaching staff they've had
Speaker 4: in the modern day NFL. Ever, and like, there's not
Speaker 4: you look around on both sides of the ball, there's
Speaker 4: not a lot to not like. I think some of
Speaker 4: these these they're young, they need these drop picks to
Speaker 4: come in and play a lot. But it's like, yes,
Speaker 4: this is the highest ceiling Texas team Texans team I've
Speaker 4: ever seen.
Speaker 2: In fairness, we just talked about Deshall Wattson, but before
Speaker 2: the madness, right, he was a high level quarterback, so
Speaker 2: by far feels strong.
Speaker 3: But C J.
Speaker 2: Stroud, you can't quibble with how great he was as aroo.
Speaker 2: I'll stick with it though, But yeah, I'll give the
Speaker 2: edge to the Texans team that had the twenty four
Speaker 2: to nothing lead over the eventual Super Bowl champ.
Speaker 3: M Chiefs on the road like that, that was a
Speaker 3: very good team.
Speaker 5: I can't say because you look at like the nuke
Speaker 5: on that team.
Speaker 3: There was JJ aj I think was JD. Clowney still
Speaker 3: on that team.
Speaker 5: They had They had like highly drafted guys that were
Speaker 5: producing in big parts of that squad, which they have
Speaker 5: on this one. You can make I think I would
Speaker 5: be willing to make that case after this year. But
Speaker 5: they're very very solid all the way through, and I
Speaker 5: just want to see.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one nineteen.
Speaker 1: They're scrowing up very very fast.
Speaker 6: Oh where the ceiling? Hey, Texans fans out there thinking, hey,
Speaker 6: how about that Matt Schobb team that went twelve and four?
Speaker 6: That was a good team. Had JJ Watted, as you
Speaker 6: said in that job though, Yeah, had JJ Watt and
Speaker 6: his absolute peak Andrew john two Hall of famers though
Speaker 6: at their peak with Andrey Johnson and JJ Watt and
Speaker 6: Aaron Foster at his peak was a fun team.
Speaker 1: Those teams used to be wiped out in the playoffs
Speaker 1: then they weren't.
Speaker 6: So I do think you look at their offensive line
Speaker 6: and their secondary, and Texans fans are so high on
Speaker 6: this froster, and I do think Look, they drafted a
Speaker 6: right tackle, Blake Fisher, that was kind of after a
Speaker 6: big drop off at the position and hoping maybe he
Speaker 6: can play right away. I do think they got a
Speaker 6: little unlucky with a couple of cornerbacks going or defensive
Speaker 6: backs going right before last. I think the secondary in
Speaker 6: the offensive line, they're hoping to be average, and so
Speaker 6: I don't think they're totally all the way there. This
Speaker 6: was a team, you know that was just building.
Speaker 1: But with c. J.
Speaker 6: Stroud, anything's possible. I'll take it the twenty nineteen Texans.
Speaker 2: New because we said Kenny spills will fuller, rookie Laramie Tunsel,
Speaker 2: I believe, or young Laramie Tunsel.
Speaker 1: Let's see, because he had come over for.
Speaker 2: That's right for Miami's DJ Reader, is there, young Reader?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: JJ Watt still at a high level. Yeah, that was
Speaker 3: That's a very good roster.
Speaker 4: I will take this coaching stuff over what Yeah, Ryan
Speaker 4: was offering for sure in the front office.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Up next in the AFC South is the Indianapolis Colt
Speaker 2: with Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 6: I'm into this team looked around at kind of just curious,
Speaker 6: like the division odds. You know, we're not allowed to
Speaker 6: do stuff like that, but uh, we're not Colts.
Speaker 4: I mean we're we're allowed to look in your private time,
Speaker 4: Colts plus.
Speaker 6: Three point thirty to win the division, third behind the Jaguars.
Speaker 6: This to me is a team that has just been
Speaker 6: fine for a while, and they took some big swings
Speaker 6: on some real talented players in terms of eighty Mitchell
Speaker 6: in Laatu Latu and then you get the extraordinarily talented
Speaker 6: Anthony rich we get back. It's a very talented team
Speaker 6: that was rightly with Houston to end last season despite
Speaker 6: not having a quarterback.
Speaker 1: To me, they're they're one A, one B.
Speaker 6: I see them as closer than the rest of the
Speaker 6: than those odds would indicate, and I see them ahead
Speaker 6: of the Jaguars by a decent amount.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think they're ready to win now?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Can win?
Speaker 1: What because they division?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I think the Texans are gonna like find a way
Speaker 4: to win that division by games.
Speaker 2: What if you know, now you've got this quarterback, if
Speaker 2: he turns out to be the guy that he hinted
Speaker 2: he was, and that everyone fell in love with that.
Speaker 2: Then is the X factor that takes this team and
Speaker 2: really does make them at the level potentially of the Texans.
Speaker 2: They're a very interesting team to track. Chris Ballard's a GM,
Speaker 2: so I like that too. Yeah, and then so much.
Speaker 2: This was a team that almost was in This was
Speaker 2: a team that was in it against the Texans with
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew at quarterback, and considering the growth that we
Speaker 2: saw from Richardson at the start of the season, I
Speaker 2: have every bit of a reason to believe that they
Speaker 2: would have been a better team h Richard.
Speaker 3: If Richardson finishes things out. It was just, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, he's a bit of a TVD. He's certainly fascinating.
Speaker 4: But like that, I think that Ballard, you know, he's
Speaker 4: just he does not move off of what he wants
Speaker 4: to do. And I know that they've had a tough
Speaker 4: time finding the quarterback until maybe now, but they already
Speaker 4: were like the fifth best pass rush win rate team
Speaker 4: a year ago and add a law to to that
Speaker 4: and they were I remember I tried to make this
Speaker 4: pitch about them being interesting to see him a year
Speaker 4: ago and when people weren't buying it. But it's like
Speaker 4: weekly on a weekly basis. That defensive front was beating
Speaker 4: people up. So if anything, if you can get to
Speaker 4: Stroud and Trevor Lawrence and the rest of the quarterbacks
Speaker 4: in this division, you got a shot.
Speaker 6: Pretty good line, very intriguing defensive line. Adding lots to
Speaker 6: that mix. As you mentioned, secondary is a concern. They're
Speaker 6: very young there and they're hoping their second year guys developed.
Speaker 6: But I just liked the coaching. Not so much Gus Bradley.
Speaker 6: I think he's solid. He's a good defense corner Bud
Speaker 6: Steich and gives me confidence that this seem just felt
Speaker 6: like it's like a but it's kind of average. And
Speaker 6: then now maybe you add some exciting draft picks in
Speaker 6: Richardson that that's the little sprinkle on top of this.
Speaker 2: I think that keeping giant to me like they were
Speaker 2: commendable for fighting through everything last year, staying in the
Speaker 2: mix of the very end right, but obviously lacking something
Speaker 2: that gave them sizzle. That's Richardson hypothetically. And our buddy
Speaker 2: Chris Ballard, who we listened to the other day, listen
Speaker 2: to this. When the first defensive player in the draft
Speaker 2: falls to him at fourteen, here's his reaction. This video
Speaker 2: coming from Colts dot Com. Dan, I loovet that cackle,
Speaker 2: but the hair slick back. I love this guy.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think he looks better than he's ever looked.
Speaker 4: And he's you know, he's chuckling in the middle of
Speaker 4: the war room. He's comfortable, he's sparing the newsers. I'll
Speaker 4: love it more, Chris Ballard, look at that. I'll take
Speaker 4: the dart. Like now, I'm looking at his hair from
Speaker 4: the side shot. This is conditioned. This is he's putting.
Speaker 3: Money into this.
Speaker 4: Like I said on Saturday, he looks about twelve years
Speaker 4: younger than to me than he did at other points
Speaker 4: in this Cults run.
Speaker 2: You know what he's I know, Mark, what you keep saying,
Speaker 2: and I know, but I'm saying now he's almost I
Speaker 2: think he maybe he's trying to crib off less Need
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's like cribbing off the notes of Less physically looks
Speaker 1: very much. Tom Brady's take a.
Speaker 3: Look at this. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: And listen, I want to hear more of why you
Speaker 1: made that face.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's a stretch.
Speaker 6: I think he felt like you were comparing someone to
Speaker 6: the goat and Less needed.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying reach lass is like a nine
Speaker 2: out of ten. Physically, I'm not saying that, but.
Speaker 5: No, and I think less puts more energy and attention
Speaker 5: probably into his particular look than Chris ballor does this
Speaker 5: looks like this is slickback hat, take off hat?
Speaker 3: I'm inside I'm a hard disagree.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, as a hair guy, No, you're that's not
Speaker 2: not accidental.
Speaker 4: Okay, it does tell me like significant other or female
Speaker 4: presence at some point encouraged him to you ethanize the look,
Speaker 4: not youthanize, ethanize his old look.
Speaker 6: Yeah to you thu to you thup right, Well, I
Speaker 6: believe I believe him and his wife have.
Speaker 2: A lot of five children, but you believe separate no
Speaker 2: good many kicks family some you know. That's that maybe
Speaker 2: speaks to a potential midlife crisis, but in a good way.
Speaker 1: Like and now he's like, look at this, it seems
Speaker 1: like he's in a crisis.
Speaker 3: It seems like he's coming.
Speaker 1: He's dodged a lot of cults. Crisis is like a.
Speaker 6: True very effects to come out the other side, very true,
Speaker 6: very true.
Speaker 1: All right, that was a time out.
Speaker 2: I don't know what listen I didn't hear dart, I
Speaker 2: didn't hear a time out. It just thinks this and
Speaker 2: the ether.
Speaker 4: Jeric is ununderstandably just said, you know, there's no consequence
Speaker 4: to anything.
Speaker 1: About the team. It was more ballards there.
Speaker 2: It is see great judgment by a to eight pipe
Speaker 2: trying to be you know, less trigger happy this episode.
Speaker 1: You know what you're maturing and you're about to become
Speaker 1: the father. Yeah, you can't be throwing darts around at people.
Speaker 1: Don't be firing guns as a newborn or new father.
Speaker 2: Jaguars of Jacksonville with Patrick Claiban.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, I'm confused. Welcome. I'm I'm not really sure.
Speaker 3: I love Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 5: I think he gives the jackson Field stretching capability that
Speaker 5: they kind of tried to halfway do by committee with
Speaker 5: everybody else and put Calvin Ridley in weird situations that
Speaker 5: didn't necessarily seem to suit Calvin Ridley. He's a real
Speaker 5: true top end speed guy that I think with a
Speaker 5: healthy Trevor Lawrence will be successful. But I'm looking at
Speaker 5: the rest of the picks and I don't really know
Speaker 5: what necessarily Trent Balk's plan is. I know they bring
Speaker 5: in the linebacker coach from LSU. I can't I'm blanking
Speaker 5: on his name. I think Matt House perhaps, So they
Speaker 5: ultimately take two LSU defenders who were highly recruited, recruited guys,
Speaker 5: one of them very athletic in Mason Smith, as well
Speaker 5: as Jordan Jefferson. But this LSU defense never stopped anybody
Speaker 5: the entire season, and Jayden Daniels and Malik Neighbors and
Speaker 5: BTJ like they're running up and down the field scored
Speaker 5: a million points. They could not stop anybody, and so
Speaker 5: it was just a very confusing conglomeration of choices considering
Speaker 5: their needs right, because they're very solid at the edge,
Speaker 5: I believe Travon Walker is going to have the growth,
Speaker 5: but I'm just I'm not sure what the plan is.
Speaker 5: What do you guys think the Jacksonville Jaguars plan is
Speaker 5: on defense.
Speaker 6: To a mass as many guys who look great coming
Speaker 6: off the bus. That's just Trent, that's balky balls Trent.
Speaker 1: That's what he want the bartak Heads, No, that's what
Speaker 1: he wants to do, and it hasn't worked that well.
Speaker 6: And they're secondary to me is a huge concern, like
Speaker 6: how does this team stop the Texans and other good
Speaker 6: passing teams. They drafted a guy Jerry and Jones in
Speaker 6: the third round. That is, you know, wasn't that highly
Speaker 6: thought of. They are the anti Steelers and Eagles in
Speaker 6: terms of the contensus sport. After the Brian Thomas pick,
Speaker 6: which I thought was savvy, great trade down, loved to pick.
Speaker 6: After that, Balki's off on his own island, taking guys
Speaker 6: rounds before they're expected to go.
Speaker 1: And that's just how he rolls. That's Trent Balki.
Speaker 2: He's the opposite of what we're talking about. How he
Speaker 2: grows right, got his own world.
Speaker 1: Yes he does.
Speaker 4: I think they are a bit of a like from
Speaker 4: a Q raiding angle, just because the South went from
Speaker 4: like floating garbage to like white hot in like the
Speaker 4: course of a calendar year. Because you know, a year
Speaker 4: ago we were fascinated by the Jaguars and not really
Speaker 4: questioning the team building at that point, and they'd been
Speaker 4: active in free agency on wide receivers, paid him a
Speaker 4: lot and it worked.
Speaker 1: But it's like they I don't think you can survive.
Speaker 4: In the NFL with a with a C minus or
Speaker 4: very big question mark cornerback room.
Speaker 6: One small bit of news, relatively small not for Jay
Speaker 6: Jones is that they released Jay Jones on Tuesday, so
Speaker 6: they're rolling with Gabe Davis. Devin Duvernet is there too,
Speaker 6: is the kind of wide receiver.
Speaker 3: I think it could help them a little bit.
Speaker 2: Everyone dismissing them at this point, and expectations are very
Speaker 2: low around the same care about that everyone's falling.
Speaker 3: Just talk about two teams.
Speaker 1: Like second, they had the cults behind them for what
Speaker 1: it's worth, right, But cognicentim.
Speaker 2: Does that mean it doesn't matter? COGNACENTI thinks, but people aren't.
Speaker 2: I got it, I understand, and I deserved it, and
Speaker 2: it hurts. Okay, the Tennessee Titans with Mark Sessler. Ain't
Speaker 2: nobody pumping up the Titans. But should they be Mark.
Speaker 4: Well, they weren't able to garage door size tackle Joe
Speaker 4: all like ninety nine percent of humanity thought they were
Speaker 4: U But they I do think that they're getting J. C.
Speaker 4: Latham out of Alabama because we trust Alabama helps a lot.
Speaker 4: Their tackles last year had a forty nine point three
Speaker 4: pass blocking grade for PFF, second worst in the NFL.
Speaker 4: They allowed sixty four sacks last season, fourth most in
Speaker 4: the NFL one hundred and sixty over the past three years.
Speaker 4: Third most that's why Ryan Tannehill was on crutches when
Speaker 4: we were in London getting card at off and we
Speaker 4: saw him the funnel.
Speaker 1: Remember that. But now you've got Lateth them at.
Speaker 4: Left tackle, big old boy Pete Scaransky at left guard.
Speaker 4: I like him a lot, Lloyd Cushionberry three at center,
Speaker 4: and magic Man Bill Callahan tutoring the group. So they
Speaker 4: got an identity and I like that. I don't get
Speaker 4: Devandre Sweat in round two because he essentially got like
Speaker 4: a dui right before visiting with the Titans.
Speaker 3: Seems like it that was a play.
Speaker 1: Okay, very much DVD on that one.
Speaker 4: But I think you've got a team that we knew
Speaker 4: a year ago had a desperate need along the offensive
Speaker 4: line and the wide receiver position. Now you've got DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 4: You've got Calvin Ridley, Treylon Burks is a good three.
Speaker 4: I like them in that position versus where he was
Speaker 4: having to be before. We'll see that it's a better
Speaker 4: situation for will of us. But are you buying into
Speaker 4: the Ian Callahan Carnival of love?
Speaker 1: M Is there one existing? Is there any I've just
Speaker 1: called it that. Maybe that's why you can say you
Speaker 1: don't buy into it.
Speaker 6: I'm buying into Lloyd Cushion Berry three being his his nickname.
Speaker 4: I don't say the third, I just say three LC three.
Speaker 6: For a long time, he would always call him Roger
Speaker 6: Griffin two RGI two. I Well, just keep an eye
Speaker 6: on their decision to not take Roma Dunze there. It's
Speaker 6: funny because there Adam Schefter reported or intimated that Joe
Speaker 6: Alt was going to go to the Giants if if
Speaker 6: he hadn't been taken Roma Dunsay, you pass on him
Speaker 6: to take Latham, and then you pass on the receivers
Speaker 6: that were left in the second round, and there were
Speaker 6: some intriguing ones to take Sweat. So that's just something
Speaker 6: I'll keep an eye because I'm not convinced that DeAndre
Speaker 6: Hopkins at this point in his career, and really like
Speaker 6: you could have added another weapon.
Speaker 1: By the way, Ryan Tane was still a free agent. Well,
Speaker 1: I just put him under the Raiders two. Is like that?
Speaker 4: Why are you not like? Why is he still sitting
Speaker 4: out there? Give it, give it a try. Is he
Speaker 4: maybe pondering some things right now about his future? I
Speaker 4: don't know get this Tannehill sweeps now.
Speaker 3: And beat up a little bit.
Speaker 6: I think he just didn't get any good offers and
Speaker 6: maybe might be a guy who waits till training him.
Speaker 6: I do think he gets a job, you.
Speaker 3: Know, go full Flacco.
Speaker 2: It could pay off it, it can anything else about
Speaker 2: the Titans tough one.
Speaker 4: Not as much juice, very much of all these Taylors
Speaker 4: very much in transition. There's just a lot of time.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's still major questions on the right side
Speaker 6: of their offensive line. The defense on paper looks good.
Speaker 6: They have one another one of the Ravens kind of assistants,
Speaker 6: Dennard Wilson coaching them up. I believe in Brian Kellyan
Speaker 6: because he brought his dad there.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. Hey, wait a second, Wait a second.
Speaker 2: Now, you could take your own issues with your father,
Speaker 2: whatever's going on with the Roberts house. But you don't
Speaker 2: dart a man for speaking positively about his old in
Speaker 2: side of bounds, Eric Mark.
Speaker 4: It was more more on Marks at me screeing with
Speaker 4: someone else about something that.
Speaker 1: You guys, they soon to be dad, and yeah, dads
Speaker 1: are awesome.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: Come on, Patrick Claybon, do we trust Alabama implicitly and always.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was the university.
Speaker 4: Or I was seeing the football program like you know
Speaker 4: in the Nick Saban era, Like these guys come out
Speaker 4: as ready as from any universe.
Speaker 3: How about the state state from Patrick? We don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's four million people, you know,
Speaker 5: all with hope, streams and desires and uh then yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, I think you got a good shot, just
Speaker 5: as good a shot.
Speaker 3: As anywhere else.
Speaker 1: A couple of question marks there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I mean there's we got some we got
Speaker 5: some Where did you grow up? I got a QAnon
Speaker 5: next door neighbors, so we got they're all over the place.
Speaker 3: Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 5: Wait in l A, you do, absolutely, I had, I
Speaker 5: had weird no, So full disclosure.
Speaker 1: Let's take a time out.
Speaker 3: Let's take a time out.
Speaker 2: So we're in a transition period of the show post
Speaker 2: a division, so we don't need to We're good.
Speaker 3: We're good. There's there's a guy.
Speaker 5: There's a guy on my street who has his own newspaper, right,
Speaker 5: and he passes out newspapers to a select few houses,
Speaker 5: always skipping ours, mainly because I didn't necessarily want him
Speaker 5: going through our trash. But anyway, yeah, that's another thing
Speaker 5: that he does.
Speaker 3: So I go to the breezy.
Speaker 1: How does he go through?
Speaker 3: He walks through down the street.
Speaker 2: He opens people's trash cans and moves them and like
Speaker 2: reorganizes trash. And I have no idea why. I yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey man, we're good on the trash. I'll
Speaker 2: put it in the street and then I'll take it
Speaker 2: back like we're good. I don't need you messing with
Speaker 2: our trash.
Speaker 3: And so a fair request. Yeah, so that was four
Speaker 3: years ago. Things are still weird.
Speaker 5: But one day one of these flyers floated into the
Speaker 5: breezeway and I pick it up. It was like full
Speaker 5: on Aaron Rodgers for five pages of the most inane
Speaker 5: and impossible things. And I'm like what And then I
Speaker 5: look and I see, you know, this proliferated through the street.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I say that to say, you may think
Speaker 5: that you're in a place that's in a bastion of
Speaker 5: sanity and people have yard signs that say love and support,
Speaker 5: but those people are not your friends. And those people
Speaker 5: exist from sea to shining sea in this union.
Speaker 1: A great point, Pat.
Speaker 6: There's a there's a newspaper that you know, those free
Speaker 6: newspapers you can open up and just take them, little
Speaker 6: community newspapers there.
Speaker 1: It is through journalism.
Speaker 6: Santa Monica's got a couple of them, and yeah, I
Speaker 6: used to take them because sometimes you see, oh, there's
Speaker 6: a Walker's friend and his soccer team won the ten
Speaker 6: and under youth championship of Southern California. This is cool,
Speaker 6: and you've you float through it and it's mostly pretty normal,
Speaker 6: and then every once in a while you realize, like, oh,
Speaker 6: the Santa Monica Mirror is actually like a hard alt
Speaker 6: right organization which just throws just sprinkles in like little
Speaker 6: things every once in a while. So it's everywhere everywhere, Mark,
Speaker 6: I was this, this guy Patrick is at a weekly paper.
Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds like a lot of work. So
Speaker 4: stringers and other correspondence.
Speaker 3: It's it's not every week. I'll see if I can
Speaker 3: get some evidence.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe I'll I'll tweet it out, maybe I'll go
Speaker 5: I've wanted to take one from somebody's porch.
Speaker 3: But I feel like that's a that's a boundary cross.
Speaker 2: Do you ever think of creating a competing yeah, independent
Speaker 2: news like counter newspaper.
Speaker 4: It's not subscriber base. He's just put in it on
Speaker 4: people's property's.
Speaker 3: He's walking out and he's hand delivering this paper.
Speaker 1: To and Patrick Claybound's not getting a copy.
Speaker 3: No, nor do I want right, nor do I want one?
Speaker 3: I you know, I.
Speaker 1: Would like Carrie.
Speaker 2: This feels like its own podcast, just tracking this neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, this weird neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Bring one in so we can just assess what's going
Speaker 1: on here.
Speaker 2: I'll try to get one for you. Okay, I'll try
Speaker 2: to get one. Let's take a break and we'll finish
Speaker 2: out the AFC.
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Speaker 1: You're out of your mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah I am. And I proved that already.
Speaker 4: That would have been a sweet spot for the company
Speaker 4: just to wave goodbye to me.
Speaker 2: And they, you know, lost opportunity. I guess what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say is you kind of were proven. Even
Speaker 2: if it was you were a little more over the
Speaker 2: top than you wish you would have been. History proved
Speaker 2: that it was not a forge forgettable film. It is
Speaker 2: very much in the discourse at least every spring for
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm taking the l on it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was completely that I mentioned, well it
Speaker 2: was a little strong again, but I thought it was
Speaker 2: a draft day was not only.
Speaker 3: Forgettable.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a huge missed opportunity, and yet
Speaker 2: here it is ten years later.
Speaker 4: Well, people can go to NFL dot com and read ard,
Speaker 4: you know he said, he said, like call him right
Speaker 4: if it's still who even knows? But you were you
Speaker 4: had some supportive words. It wasn't all f minus from you.
Speaker 3: Read between the lines on it. You could tell what
Speaker 3: was going.
Speaker 1: On between these lines.
Speaker 2: Let's head to the AFC West with Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: A team of.
Speaker 3: The Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: Okay, Broncos, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, we're all we're all a little shaken up by
Speaker 2: the Patrick clay By neighborhood, which, by the way, not
Speaker 2: for nothing. When we went to break we got some
Speaker 2: more details that are not for air on this media
Speaker 2: group platform.
Speaker 3: But wild it's actually even darker than you to match.
Speaker 1: All right, let's restart the clock. All right, let's restart
Speaker 1: the clock. Sorry, Greg, go ahead. The Broncos with Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 6: So Sean Payton improved this often from twenty eighth to
Speaker 6: nineteenth in the league, Like he did coach them up
Speaker 6: a little bit, considering they by every metric possible they
Speaker 6: had a top ten offensive line and basically bring back
Speaker 6: the same group. The wide receiver group which you've heard
Speaker 6: Sutton is maybe available is Courtland Sutton, Josh Reynolds, Troy Franklin,
Speaker 6: which was a fun dart throw, but it was a
Speaker 6: fourth round pick, played with bow Knicks in college, but
Speaker 6: a ton of production and Marvin Mims.
Speaker 1: Does bo Nicks have it?
Speaker 6: If bo Nicks is good, does he have a chance
Speaker 6: to be good with this group around him? And more importantly,
Speaker 6: like have they helped him enough with the defense which
Speaker 6: fell off a cliff with Sean Payton arriving.
Speaker 1: They were thirtieth in the league in terms of DEVU.
Speaker 4: The only thing that kind of has thrown me for
Speaker 4: it because it was like Jerry Judy was on the
Speaker 4: trade block for like forty two years at one point
Speaker 4: there and they finally made it happen. Now it's Sutton,
Speaker 4: and it's like you're down to Mims, Greg Dolcic and
Speaker 4: it's like ye of the landing spots for quarterbacks because hey,
Speaker 4: you're Bo Nicks and so you're not you know, you're
Speaker 4: not Caleb Williams to begin with. I do think he
Speaker 4: could be very productive, though I don't dislike Bonix from
Speaker 4: what I from what I watch, but I'd say this, like,
Speaker 4: it's not a great landing spot except for the fact that,
Speaker 4: like Sean Payton when he's at his best levels, the
Speaker 4: entire offense up because of who he is.
Speaker 6: John Payton plus a good offensive line. Is that's it is, like, yeah, like,
Speaker 6: it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not the situation happened with Bryce Young and Carolina
Speaker 2: because you have coaching that you believe in and maybe
Speaker 2: some structure and the ability to protect. But yeah, this
Speaker 2: is not They're not gonna build Rome in a day here, No,
Speaker 2: it's gonna take time. I just I wonder.
Speaker 5: I'm looking back at the Zach Wilson trade, and I
Speaker 5: know it's just five million dollars, but considering the cap situation,
Speaker 5: it feels like five million dollars that the Broncos.
Speaker 6: Really didn't Jets are gonna pay. I think a big
Speaker 6: chunk of that. Okay, well we add and we never
Speaker 6: got to follow up. But that was he did actually
Speaker 6: it was I think, what was it eight million? And
Speaker 6: I think they took on like three and a half
Speaker 6: something like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well then then three and a half makes
Speaker 3: me feel better than five. But it's I just don't know.
Speaker 5: It's like a lot because it's a lot to live
Speaker 5: up to, and it feels like considering the way that
Speaker 5: Russ made plays in Spurts. I know Sean Payton and
Speaker 5: the Broncos weren't necessarily happy with the way that it was,
Speaker 5: but how does a rookie quarterback adjust to those expectations
Speaker 5: that it feels like Sean Payton has for the offense?
Speaker 5: And if it's not him, how does Zach Wilson? Like,
Speaker 5: how is anybody going to live up to this idea
Speaker 5: of what a quarterback should be in this offense when
Speaker 5: the idea is one of the best people to ever
Speaker 5: play the game at the position.
Speaker 6: Right, I think I think having a coach this great
Speaker 6: at getting kind of like mid level quarterback talent, which
Speaker 6: we've seen when Drew Brees wasn't playing for the Saints
Speaker 6: and even last year, to be productive is great. Plus
Speaker 6: an offensive line is great, but a defense really helps
Speaker 6: you out. And I look at their defense. It was
Speaker 6: a bottom five defense in the league last year, and
Speaker 6: I don't really see a ton of reasons to believe
Speaker 6: that they're going to improve significantly.
Speaker 1: The defending champion Kansas City Chiefs with Mark Sesslin, I think.
Speaker 4: The Chiefs did exactly what the fan base demanded, if
Speaker 4: the fan base is allowed to demand anything at this
Speaker 4: point in time. But they moved up to take the
Speaker 4: fastest wide receiver in league history, an Xavier Worthy out
Speaker 4: of Texas. They grabbed a tackle Kingsley saw Yama Taya
Speaker 4: out of BYU in round two. Those were two needs,
Speaker 4: but I really like the Worthy pick. Lance Zerlin described
Speaker 4: this tackle Kingsley as a thick framed gentleman with adequate length.
Speaker 4: Sounds intriguing, but now look at this off right, But
Speaker 4: now look at this offense.
Speaker 1: You got worthies four point two one speed.
Speaker 4: And what I like about it is it takes some
Speaker 4: heat off of the concept of Hollywood Brown as being
Speaker 4: whatever would have been in that It's like it's he's
Speaker 4: an added weapon along with book see where she rice
Speaker 4: at some stage and all. This makes me kind of think,
Speaker 4: like after we were wondering if Travis Kelsey, who's just
Speaker 4: had his deal extended.
Speaker 1: Was like, this guy gonna retire?
Speaker 4: Does he look the same, Like it's a good for
Speaker 4: Travis kelcey two years, two more years, and it's like
Speaker 4: you got people around him that's going to make like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, we got to heal Travis Kelcey on
Speaker 4: top of all this speed, and so I kind of
Speaker 4: just wondered.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I asked this all the time.
Speaker 4: That is like, is the entire regular season just like
Speaker 4: a dog and pony show leading society exactly where we
Speaker 4: know will be come next February, Because I think the
Speaker 4: team got better.
Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs, despite winning it again two times
Speaker 2: in a row, they've won the Super Bowl, I have
Speaker 2: questions to answer to me on their offense and the
Speaker 2: moves that they made make sense.
Speaker 3: They none of them.
Speaker 2: Like, I know, the guy's the fastest guy in the
Speaker 2: combent ever, but I'm not like locking him in as
Speaker 2: a star and Hollywood Brown has never been a star
Speaker 2: and Travis kelce Like, let's not forget he looked slower
Speaker 2: and older last year, So what version do you get
Speaker 2: of him? So are the Chiefs going to be back
Speaker 2: to their high flying ways? I'm not convinced I'm interested
Speaker 2: to see what they look like this year.
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of calls for optims because
Speaker 5: you could consider what are they replacing, right, Like what
Speaker 5: are the departures le various Need of course being a one, Right,
Speaker 5: this is the guy that made plays where they probably
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been in the game in the Super Bowl
Speaker 5: if not for lagarious needs. So that's the one. But
Speaker 5: other than that, you take MVS and replace him with Worthy. Right,
Speaker 5: you've got Hollywood Brown coming in to fill like what
Speaker 5: you wanted Sky Moore to originally do, and now you
Speaker 5: get a veteran to kind of fill in that spot.
Speaker 5: You keep Travis Kelcey around, even though it's not really
Speaker 5: an extension. It's essentially just a raise like, Hey, thank
Speaker 5: you for being Travis Kelcey, which is cool. Shout out
Speaker 5: out with them, do that for everybody. Yeah, they're the
Speaker 5: Kansa City Chiefs. They are inevitable.
Speaker 6: I think Worthy is a more complete player than a
Speaker 6: four to two one. Like he was a guy who
Speaker 6: has great movements. Go, he's a small but he landed
Speaker 6: in the spot to make him a star. They have
Speaker 6: more weapons, they have great continuity on defense. I count
Speaker 6: it up I think they're going to start seven different
Speaker 6: players from the class of twenty twenty two, which is crazy.
Speaker 6: That's how you keep a dynasty going four In the secondary,
Speaker 6: they take this kid, Jayden Hicks, who was very high
Speaker 6: on Dane Brugler's board, in the fourth round. He'll probably
Speaker 6: wind up starting. That's the spag secret sauce.
Speaker 1: They have thirteen wide receivers.
Speaker 2: And to put a bow on what you said, once
Speaker 2: you get to this level, this rarefied air. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just about getting through the regular season when you're twelve
Speaker 2: or thirteen.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the quarterback's healthy when you get to January.
Speaker 6: Well, while we're taking darts here, I saw the report
Speaker 6: from the Chiefs is Nate Taylor on the Athletic They
Speaker 6: tried the trade up for Marius Mims. They were trying
Speaker 6: to get that tackle, so they it's a left tackle
Speaker 6: is a big concern, Sue Matia. You know, he's like
Speaker 6: that fourteenth tackle off the board. You know, a guy
Speaker 6: might be a little bit of a project. They were
Speaker 6: hoping to get Maarousmims didn't happen. They wound up its
Speaker 6: worthy time out. I have a question that that was
Speaker 6: at the time. Man, we took darts. We were taking
Speaker 6: darts there. I got a little game for you guys.
Speaker 6: Here you go, all right, go and here you go.
Speaker 3: Penn. You need a penn, Dan, he's giving us paper.
Speaker 1: I don't have a pen, so I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, thank you? All right.
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, I mean he's a he's a huge figure.
Speaker 2: It's the dominating figure. Been very busy, been very busy
Speaker 2: over draft week and everything else. Hit the music, Eric,
Speaker 2: He overshadows everything else. Let me tell me who is
Speaker 2: the general manager of the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1: Joe Horrowitz. I think it is okay, you're just to
Speaker 1: write it on the face.
Speaker 6: Sorry, okay, Mark was wrong though, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, write it down please, all right, all right, reveal
Speaker 2: your answers.
Speaker 3: Patrick, Joe Horties, Joe Horties.
Speaker 1: Oh dang, I had horri Itz. I had Horts too,
Speaker 1: but you said Horror Horowitz.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's you know, the correct answer is Hortees.
Speaker 2: I think Jeopardy rules. Although you guys had the right
Speaker 2: name in mind, Patrick is the one that gets the credit.
Speaker 2: I think the reason I asked the question is because
Speaker 2: Jim he's the sun there, and it overpowers everything. But
Speaker 2: he was the director player personnel for the Ravens who
Speaker 2: joined left his brother, Jim's brother.
Speaker 3: To join the Chargers. Nobody.
Speaker 2: And with that said, the Chargers, Jim Harbaugh and Joe
Speaker 2: Hortiz had a very busy draft week and offseason. They
Speaker 2: added nine rookies in the draft another twenty in undrafted
Speaker 2: free agency per the Athletic. Over the past three months,
Speaker 2: the Chargers have added thirty nine players to their roster
Speaker 2: who were not on the team in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Joe Alt awesome, big guess, big piece statement pick by
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. You know, a generationally talented tackle by a
Speaker 2: coach who calls these guys skill players.
Speaker 3: He views them that way.
Speaker 2: The offensive line and running back room has been rebooted.
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert loses Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, but gained
Speaker 2: Lad McConkie this over the weekend. And they have a
Speaker 2: I have like a sneaky, promising tight end pairing and
Speaker 2: will Disley and Hayden Hurst kind of like both those
Speaker 2: guys and now they're at tandem. My big question, Okay,
Speaker 2: and you have Greg Romans the offensive corner that guy
Speaker 2: loves running the football. How Harbor is Harbaugh gonna go
Speaker 2: with the Los Angeles Harbaugh's I'm sure Justin Herbert has
Speaker 2: the same question.
Speaker 1: Hmm. I see.
Speaker 4: I think there's there's increasing versatility here because Ladd McConkie,
Speaker 4: I think, is just an awesome pick and they spoke
Speaker 4: so highly of him and how he can help Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: So that's through the air.
Speaker 4: Joe Alt is someone who looks to me like it
Speaker 4: came from like biblical times and like fought kids with slingshots.
Speaker 1: Junior Colson.
Speaker 4: I thought we're gonna take a bunch of Michigan guys,
Speaker 4: but like he's someone that wore like the green dot
Speaker 4: for Michigan and can lead a new defense and he
Speaker 4: knows it really well.
Speaker 1: So these are fits that I think improved.
Speaker 4: But how hardly goes like, are we gonna suddenly see
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert vanish as a passer?
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. I just curious how they're gonna
Speaker 3: do this on offense scheme?
Speaker 4: Well, just being overstated, because that's an impossibility in today's NFL,
Speaker 4: where you're gonna suddenly take Justin Herbert and have him
Speaker 4: play like half of the position that any quarterback was
Speaker 4: playing well.
Speaker 6: Also, their running backs are Dobbins and Gus Edwards. Just
Speaker 6: you know, if Dobbins can get healthy again is intriguing
Speaker 6: ravens you but it is, you know, you're also asked,
Speaker 6: I don't love that. You know, everyone's so excited about Joe.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he's gonna be great, But the first thing
Speaker 6: you do is make him play a position right tackle
Speaker 6: that he's never played before. That at LEAs should be noted.
Speaker 6: I mean they know what they're doing, obviously more than I.
Speaker 6: But like that has worked plenty of times, work with pens,
Speaker 6: Like you know, it doesn't always work.
Speaker 5: I think we could expect to see some interesting route combinations,
Speaker 5: some receivers in close proximity to each other, you know,
Speaker 5: diminished numbers for Justin Herbert and a team that we've
Speaker 5: seen it happen before. A new coach comes in and
Speaker 5: you get a mix of the old guys as well
Speaker 5: as the new guys, and something does for him that
Speaker 5: I think the Chargers will be better than Herbert with
Speaker 5: literally no hands last year towards the end of the year.
Speaker 5: But I think the hardball ceiling isn't going to be reached.
Speaker 6: But like coaching plus offensive line plus quarterback is like
Speaker 6: more important than the weapons. Like for like those years
Speaker 6: that Tom Brady didn't have any wide receivers, we kind
Speaker 6: of learned like you can still have a great offense
Speaker 6: if you have great coaching, great offensive line, great quarterback.
Speaker 3: Tom Brady all time great quarterback.
Speaker 4: Right, they had the worst one turb blocking grade in
Speaker 4: the NFL a year ago.
Speaker 1: That's gonna change.
Speaker 2: Let's close it out with the Las Vegas Raiders and
Speaker 2: Patrick claybo.
Speaker 5: The Las Vegas Raiders I believe wanted a quarterback. They
Speaker 5: go into the draft and they see literally every quarterback
Speaker 5: go before them. They both assuming have some calls about
Speaker 5: training up. It doesn't ultimately work out because the Falcons
Speaker 5: take their future quarterback for some reason at number eight.
Speaker 5: I think that they liked him too, and so I
Speaker 5: think they got a great pick in brock Bauers. I
Speaker 5: think taking the best player on the board is always
Speaker 5: a very good idea. But it's gonna come down to
Speaker 5: Aid and O'Connell as well as Gardner Minshew, and that
Speaker 5: will be the camp battle. Well, at what point do
Speaker 5: the Las Vegas Raiders look outside of the building to
Speaker 5: bring in somebody that keeps everything from falling apart and
Speaker 5: DeVante being like why am I playing football?
Speaker 3: Still?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this was like they got left out
Speaker 4: on draft day and I know they love brock Bowers
Speaker 4: and there's nothing not to like. Like I don't dislike
Speaker 4: that pick on any level, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's a new coach, but this gets coach as
Speaker 4: fires when you think in like May or April May,
Speaker 4: you can roll into an NFL campaign with these two
Speaker 4: quarterbacks because it's about it's about midway through the second
Speaker 4: half that you realize that plans a disaster of the
Speaker 4: first game.
Speaker 1: And so you mentioned Ryan Tannehill. Someone liked it.
Speaker 4: If you just want like a veteran who can come
Speaker 4: in and like spice things up, I think that's a
Speaker 4: good landing spot. But Minshew we just talked about with
Speaker 4: the cults like he is a you know, he's a
Speaker 4: fringe starter, but like that kind of team last year
Speaker 4: with Minshew.
Speaker 3: It's a bridge guy. Yeah, yeah, we just don't know
Speaker 3: where the bridge is going right now.
Speaker 6: Minshew is there? Tannehill? So I've been thinking about it again.
Speaker 6: It's like they gave him fifteen million dollars guaranteed. They
Speaker 6: gave him a sneaky amount of money. They did not
Speaker 6: sign him to like a Baker Mayfield in Tampa.
Speaker 1: Just let's see what happens.
Speaker 6: Back of Gondrum, they gave him like, hey, you're probably
Speaker 6: gonna play for us, and Aidan O'Connell was, Okay, I
Speaker 6: don't think this is gonna work out. They wanted Michael
Speaker 6: Pennix junior our James Palmer, our guy. He reported they
Speaker 6: were one of the teams that tried to trade up
Speaker 6: for a quarterback and it was gonna be Pennix and
Speaker 6: it didn't happen for him, and they ended up with Bowers,
Speaker 6: who the Saints Block Party podcast reported the Saints were
Speaker 6: gonna take out fourteen. So I love these like paths
Speaker 6: not taken, but the Raiders ends up taking Bowers.
Speaker 2: I think one thing that's maybe slept on a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think Raiders fans, whether or not he's a high
Speaker 2: level quarterback, are gonna love Gardner Minshew. He plays with
Speaker 2: a lot of pluck and moxie. He fits there kind
Speaker 2: of like got some Ken Stabler in him, and I
Speaker 2: think that's that's going to be. They're gonna have fun
Speaker 2: rooting for him, it's just you know what, how much
Speaker 2: can he actually give you?
Speaker 6: Antonio Pierce has been very vocal saying we're gonna run
Speaker 6: the ball and we're gonna be a great defense, and
Speaker 6: I believe that's his vision. Like whether that works or not,
Speaker 6: like we'll see. But Bowers to me fits that vision,
Speaker 6: playing two tight ends as your basse set him and
Speaker 6: Mayor having multiplicity, and they really think the defensive improvements
Speaker 6: they had will carry over.
Speaker 4: Will that's when you survive in your own division though,
Speaker 4: because it's just like how you know you should build
Speaker 4: to beat teams in your own division first, and they
Speaker 4: don't resemble that kind of a team to me right now.
Speaker 6: Sign Michael Gallup on Tuesday official run of the show.
Speaker 3: Is he best friend? Yeah? He was on the show.
Speaker 1: Very nice guy, not an enemy of the show.
Speaker 2: But I don't recall, Yes, you're right, I forgot that
Speaker 2: we from Cowboys friendship with him. In fact, everyone we
Speaker 2: sat down with at Cowboys camp.
Speaker 3: Was cursed as a result, Layton Vandre.
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup, and I think even the voice of the
Speaker 2: Cowboys didn't he miss some time? Let me yeah, right
Speaker 2: etp Yeah, I forget what I think he fell down
Speaker 2: to illness. He's gone no, not gone right, but he did.
Speaker 2: He did miss a game for the first time in
Speaker 2: like a very long time. I remember seeing that because
Speaker 2: we play their highlights. Obviously, Brad Sham the sham God
Speaker 2: has missed games due to an illness.
Speaker 6: So he was forced to announce yet another playoff defeat
Speaker 6: to the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3: So that I'm sure was Brad Sham the sham God.
Speaker 2: I fell ill and en route to the game, I
Speaker 2: was advised to get it checked out, testing and resting
Speaker 2: looking forward to next week. That was December first, and
Speaker 2: we're very happy that sham God is on the mend,
Speaker 2: and we're not making light of illness, and we never
Speaker 2: would Greg. However, I'm just stating the point that everyone
Speaker 2: that sat down with us in August of twenty three,
Speaker 2: you know it didn't work out. Connect dots right, sure,
Speaker 2: which leads me to my next point that we will
Speaker 2: hope to take a summer road trip this summer to
Speaker 2: visit a team, and hopefully.
Speaker 1: It's not yours.
Speaker 6: Saints are coming to Irvine spending tranny camp in southern California.
Speaker 2: That's a little What does the Saints block party think
Speaker 2: about that us coming with the the cursed Medallion of ATN.
Speaker 3: They don't need it, they don't want it.
Speaker 4: I'd keep us out of there if you were interested
Speaker 4: in the same other fortunes.
Speaker 2: You probably know this one, Mark, remember the Brady Bunch
Speaker 2: episode with the medallion when they went to Hawaii.
Speaker 4: Yeah, two parter Bad Beat, two part episode Bad Beat
Speaker 4: and one of the rare like you don't get Brady
Speaker 4: Bunch episodes that were filmed literally on location outside of
Speaker 4: a stet like a set in like Studio City or
Speaker 4: something like that. So right, an atypical Brady Bunch double
Speaker 4: two parter Greg.
Speaker 3: Brady Bunch was a sitcom in.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 6: I remember the repeats where were on. I did not
Speaker 6: check them out. It was a teeky neck time tough one.
Speaker 2: It really wasn't because Brady Bunch was massive in the
Speaker 2: eighties and syndication. But you didn't have to watch it.
Speaker 2: They don't have to watch anyone have to watch it.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have to read the newsletter going
Speaker 2: around Patrick's clay Patrick Clayvin's neighborhood.
Speaker 3: But it's out there.
Speaker 1: I made it in your face.
Speaker 6: Decision which I look back on as the correct one
Speaker 6: to dedicate my time to other programming.
Speaker 3: Let's hear it like a good call.
Speaker 6: Let's uh cheers repeats The Ricky Lake Show was.
Speaker 3: Into that, Sally justse Rafael.
Speaker 1: Got not really but here and there number.
Speaker 2: That's a good one actually for the people like in
Speaker 2: our age, What were the syndicated seventies eighties shows that
Speaker 2: you were watching that maybe weren't out when you were kids.
Speaker 2: For me, it was Brady Bunch. It was different strokes.
Speaker 2: I watched every weekday at five kid. But oh that's right.
Speaker 4: My screenwriting teacher created different strokes. That's why he was in.
Speaker 4: Did you see in Park his rolls Royce before he
Speaker 4: came in. I think he did very well.
Speaker 6: I'm sure a lot of MTV now that was probably
Speaker 6: no Alternative Nation talking like.
Speaker 3: That era, like niked Knight, like Bewitched, Dick Van.
Speaker 1: Dykereeze Company, good times.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've made Patrick late for his Oh Patrick, we apologize.
Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody for listening. We'll be back Thursday
Speaker 2: with a special guest. This is still on right, Yes.
Speaker 2: Jordan Rodrieg of the Athletic does an excellent job covering
Speaker 2: all matters of football, including the Los Angeles rams. She'll
Speaker 2: be joining us to go around the NFC, including those rams.
Speaker 2: But thank you Patrick. Anything else to add Ah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, momentum might not be real, but you are no
Speaker 5: matter what anybody says, no matter what I say, you
Speaker 5: and your existence are true.
Speaker 1: Patrick of a thanks guys, Eric, give him the goddamn applause.
Speaker 3: Applause for it, don't applause for me? Where is that
Speaker 3: button on your.
Speaker 2: Applause is a long word to type out, So when
Speaker 2: I search things, it's about clap. Change it to clap. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, applause is the one that tends to give
Speaker 2: me trouble the most. Thank you, Patrick, and be careful
Speaker 2: in your hood until then. Everyone, uh check us out
Speaker 2: Thursday for the NFC. And you know what you gotta do?
Speaker 2: Do you want to tell the people today? Greg?
Speaker 3: What do they need to do? Right on your arm?
Speaker 3: Let me just take what of the seat?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, heat the call bang,