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Speaker 1: for being our partner. You're child out and about. I

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Speaker 1: and I wish everyone around us was as well intentioned,

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Speaker 1: but that simply is not the case. I cannot hermetically

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Speaker 1: seal my children and the people that I love to

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Speaker 1: keep them safe. While I believe, on the whole most

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Speaker 1: people are good, I know from everything I've seen, everything

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Speaker 1: I have learned, everything I have done, that there are

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Speaker 1: more bad guys out there than even I know of.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes the bad guy is someone we already know,

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Speaker 1: someone we have let into our lives, into our children's

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Speaker 1: lives unwittingly, someone to whom we have already exposed our children.

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Speaker 1: We are the grown ups, and even grown ups have

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Speaker 1: a hard time taking care of themselves, but what about children.

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Speaker 1: It's our duty to take care of children. I still

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Speaker 1: think back to this day to child victims that I

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Speaker 1: represented in court literally thousands of them, children that were

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Speaker 1: too weak or too naive to protect themselves to speak

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Speaker 1: on their own behalf. And it was my honor and

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Speaker 1: my privilege to speak for them. But what I really

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Speaker 1: wish is what I can't have. I wish they had

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Speaker 1: never been victims to start with. But I cannot turn

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Speaker 1: back the clock, and I cannot erase from their hearts

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Speaker 1: and their minds what they've already lived through. But what

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Speaker 1: I can do, what we can do is our very best.

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Speaker 1: But how can you make the world.

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Speaker 2: A safer place?

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Speaker 1: We may not be able to do that. But what

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Speaker 1: we can do is make the world a safer place

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Speaker 1: for our children by protecting them when they are out.

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Speaker 1: And about how do you protect your children when you

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Speaker 1: are out and about? We're gonna find out. With me,

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Speaker 1: Rain Perrywinkle, her beautiful daughter Cherish was abducted from a

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Speaker 1: major store. Also with me, my longtime friend and colleague

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Speaker 1: Mark Klass, who has dedicated his life to protecting children.

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Speaker 1: Also with me, joining us for the first time, the

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Speaker 1: founder of revd up Kids, Allie Neil and Marlena Schaivo,

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. First to you, Rain perrylincol You were out

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Speaker 1: shopping with your girls. Yes, gorgeous girls. They look a

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Speaker 1: lot like their mommy. And you guys started at I

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Speaker 1: believe was a Dollar General or Family Dollar, Philly Dollar.

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Speaker 1: Family Dollar. You were going out of town the next day.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was to their that's right, and you

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Speaker 1: were taking them to get them some new clothes, and

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Speaker 1: you started at Family Dollar. When you got there, you

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Speaker 1: didn't notice anything unusual. But suddenly you notice someone looking

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Speaker 1: at you the wrong way, and that sounds try right.

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Speaker 2: He got in my face?

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 2: Like this?

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Speaker 1: He didn't go in my face, and we did.

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Speaker 2: Not exchange words. I just quickly walked away from him. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I forgot about him because we're in a store with

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Speaker 2: other people. I forgot about him, and I just continued

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Speaker 1: Where did you go when you're Family Dollar?

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Speaker 2: Straight across the street to Dollar General? Okay? Then what

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Speaker 2: happened while we were in the shoes section. I was

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Speaker 2: trying shoes on my children, and I just looked up briefly,

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Speaker 2: and he was leering it. So I thought he was

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Speaker 2: looking at me. He wasn't. Cherish was to my left.

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Speaker 2: He was looking right at Cherish.

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Speaker 1: At the time. Did you know he was looking at Cherish.

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Speaker 2: No, Kata thought he was looking right at me, because

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Speaker 2: I'm the adult. Said come on, girls, let's go, and

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Speaker 2: little clothes and coloring books and hair ties and just

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Speaker 2: but circumstances were different, So you go to a different.

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Speaker 1: Section of the store. Now what happens now he kept

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Speaker 2: He was watching me when I went to the counter.

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Speaker 2: I went there twice with a little dress that I

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Speaker 2: wanted for my four year old, and I was wondering

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Speaker 2: should I get it? Should I not? It was only

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Speaker 2: one was seven dollars and one was ten dollars. There

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Speaker 2: were the same dress but different prices, so that's why

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Speaker 2: I took it to the cashier twice. And then I noticed,

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Speaker 2: I was passing the money to the cashier. And that

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Speaker 2: really bothered me. What did you think I thought he

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Speaker 2: was going to rob me when I went outside. That

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Speaker 1: You know, that really goes back to instincts, when you

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Speaker 1: have that initial instinct, that gut feeling. So that's three

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Speaker 1: times you've had a bad feeling about him. I had

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Speaker 1: a first door where he turned around. I was too close.

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Speaker 1: M you left, you got across the street, You continue shopping,

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Speaker 1: You see him at the door staring in, you move,

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Speaker 1: you go to one another section at checkout, he's seemingly

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Speaker 2: Then what happened, But Nancy, I didn't know was whom

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Speaker 2: because it was so quick. See when I was at

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Speaker 2: Family Dollar, it was just it was like a flash.

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Speaker 2: It was so fast. I did see the black hair

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Speaker 2: so fast I forgot about him. And then I saw

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Speaker 2: to piece everything together. I didn't know it was the

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Speaker 2: same guy. You didn't know it was the same guy.

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Speaker 2: And you're at the checkout.

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Speaker 1: What happens.

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Speaker 2: Then I paid for my merchandise and I left. He

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Speaker 2: don't count your money. In the store, I said, I

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Speaker 2: think that guy's gonna rob me when I get outside,

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Speaker 2: and I knelt down behind the stroller and I put

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Speaker 2: my money in my wallet in this diaper bag that

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Speaker 2: I had my children's clothes. And what happens next? There

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Speaker 2: was a woman outside that had taken my children to

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Speaker 2: school a couple of times in her vehicle, and I

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Speaker 2: saw her. She was staggering to the trash can. She

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Speaker 2: had been drinking, and I asked her, could you give

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Speaker 2: me a ride to Walmart? And when I noticed her

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Speaker 2: her walk, I said, you can't go anywhere. I said,

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Speaker 2: I did not see him. He was not in my vision.

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Speaker 2: But then I started to walk away, and that's when

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Speaker 2: he approached me, and he yelled out and offers a ride. Yes,

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Speaker 2: did you take the ride? Not right away? I didn't.

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Speaker 1: What happened.

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Speaker 2: It was a process, Nancy, he said. First of all,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know he was grooming me, like he was

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Speaker 2: throwing out a lure. And he said, you look like

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Speaker 2: you have your hands full. And that made me mad,

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Speaker 2: because just because I have three little children doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: I'm struggling with my hands full. I liked going out

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Speaker 2: then he said, if you really want that dress, I'll

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Speaker 2: get it for you. That dress for my four year old,

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Speaker 2: I'll get it for you. And I stopped in my

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Speaker 2: tracks and I was just hesitant. And he said, you

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Speaker 2: look like you're trying to save money. And that kind

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Speaker 2: of unnerved me a little bit. That he had been

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Speaker 2: paying maybe more attention to my actions than what I

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Speaker 1: So he had been watching you and learning things about

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Speaker 1: you and your three little girls. What convinced you to

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Speaker 1: finally let him give you a ride to Walmart?

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Speaker 2: He said, I have one hundred and fifty dollars gift card.

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Speaker 2: I'm waiting on my wife.

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Speaker 1: And after he said that about having the wife, yes,

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Speaker 1: after he said that, I thought she was coming, did

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Speaker 1: you in your mind think, oh, this is just a

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Speaker 1: guy waiting on his wife. He's normal, he's fine, he's

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Speaker 1: got a family. I'll take the ride.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he did mention that he's got a couple

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Speaker 2: of little ones too. That was any spiel. When he

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Speaker 2: first started yelling out to me, he said, you look

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Speaker 2: of little ones, and then I kind of squinted at him.

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Speaker 2: I thought, how old are you? Then I started to

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Speaker 2: pay a little bit more attention, and then he said,

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Speaker 2: if you really want that dress, I'll get it for you.

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Speaker 2: He had to say that twice because I wasn't taking

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Speaker 2: his bait right away. I was just standing there and

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Speaker 2: he was maybe thirty feet away from me, so he

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Speaker 2: was calling out to me.

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Speaker 1: So the part about I'm waiting on my wife that

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Speaker 1: made you think he was okay, and you and the

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Speaker 2: We did, but it took a long time Nancy to

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Speaker 2: get in that van. It wasn't like I just thought, Oh,

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Speaker 2: his wife's coming, I'll jump in that van. No. I

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Speaker 2: told him I don't ride with strangers. And I was

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Speaker 2: waiting for her. It seemed like maybe twenty twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: I even asked him what color car does she drive?

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Speaker 2: And he said gold, a gold car. And I just

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Speaker 2: kept waiting, and it was still daylight outside. A lot

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Speaker 2: of people would think I was out at eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't. I left about six pm that evening. It

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Speaker 2: was daylight outside. It was starting to drizzle. So my

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Speaker 2: children had their little umbrellas and they liked dancing around

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Speaker 2: with their umbrellas.

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Speaker 1: You take the ride, you get to Walmart, what happens

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Speaker 1: when you get there? The wife never showed up. We

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Speaker 1: know that much. No, when you get to Walmart, what happens.

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Speaker 2: My children were in the back seat and they were fussy.

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Speaker 2: He had already asked me doing our ride over there,

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Speaker 2: he already asked me their names and how old they are.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know then that he was still grooming me

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Speaker 2: step by step by step, and foolishly I was naive.

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Speaker 2: I told him their names and how old they are.

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Speaker 2: I told him my children want to get out, and

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Speaker 2: he said, well, you go in first. He had first

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Speaker 2: of all, he was doing this in steps. He took

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Speaker 2: his phone out of his pocket and he just started talking.

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Speaker 1: He meets you and the lalmart. He finds you and

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Speaker 2: The first cut of my mouth was where's your wife?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you guys are there for two hours now,

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Speaker 1: So what happened? How did he manage to lure Cherish

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Speaker 2: He said, I'm going to McDonald's. What do you want

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Speaker 2: She said yes, and she said we're going to McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: What do you want to eat? And I said cheeseburgers.

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Speaker 2: He never asked if he could take Cherish, and I

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Speaker 1: You're like, this is like a Walmart, super Strong, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Who would have thought something would have been wrong with McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: How did you know he took Cherish because you said

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Speaker 2: I watched her walk away behind him, and I I

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Speaker 1: But they actually walked right by the McDonald's and kept going.

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Speaker 2: I heard the overhead, Uh what is baker? Yes, thank

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Speaker 2: and I ran over to McDonald's and I said, did

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Speaker 2: What's she doing? I didn't want to scream too loud.

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Speaker 2: With him at the door. You don't want to put

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Speaker 2: Oh she's just outside. What are you doing screaming?

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Speaker 1: When did you realize Cherish was gone totally good?

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Speaker 2: When I saw those two tapes to video surveillance tapes,

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Speaker 2: you see the videotapes? That night, I went to the

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Speaker 1: Mark class with us as well as Alie Neil and

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Marline and Shiva. There are so many things

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Speaker 1: she was tortured, raped, molested in a white then another

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Speaker 4: Obviously, I mean, you don't let your children out of

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Speaker 4: But when you notify the store employees that there's a

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Speaker 4: particularly at Walmart's, they subscribe to Code Adam. They have

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Speaker 2: What should they do?

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Speaker 4: What they trade Adam, Well, what code atom is is

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Speaker 4: if sets in the motions and protocols. Number one, they

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Speaker 4: they watch all entrances and exits. If they determine the

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Speaker 4: And then they go through the process of looking through

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Speaker 1: In Scherish's case is they didn't automatically do an amberl art. No,

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Speaker 1: they didn't, And people actually saw the car at a

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Speaker 1: we believe was still alive in the van, but it

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Speaker 1: there could be a little girl in there. There's been kidnapped.

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Speaker 4: But amber alerts can't be activated by the local authorities.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of being out and about, there is the case

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Speaker 1: of Matthew Checky. Matthew, beautiful little boy was actually with

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Speaker 1: This is a whole family together at a picnic at

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Speaker 5: Marlene on what happened. So she's waiting outside the bathroom,

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Speaker 2: M h.

437
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: We hear stories regarding bathroom incidents, whether somebody they try

438
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: to adult the child, try to molest the child, they

439
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: kill the child in a public bathroom. So much to

440
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: learn from that. But in this particular case of Matthew Chucky,

441
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: the aunt went with him.

442
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 3: Ali, it's a horrible case, and I don't know other

443
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: than going in there with him, I don't know what

444
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: would have stopped this deranged person from committing this court

445
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: Thinking for a family bathroom, absolutely, but back then the.

446
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: Family goes in, yeah, looking for a uni sex bathroom

447
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: where they could both go. You look like you're counting

448
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: it off with your fingers. Whatever.

449
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: Well, the next step would be making sure the child

450
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: goes into a stall as opposed to a public an

451
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 4: open urinal.

452
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Or bringing the boy with you into the lady's bathroom. Sure,

453
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: the fear associated with public bathrooms Marlene at Shaivo and

454
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: my mind should really be extended to public areas when

455
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: you're out and about one that brings that to mine

456
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: is Tika Lewis right. What happened?

457
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 5: She was at a bowling alley with her entire family.

458
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 5: They were all together. She was merely ten feet away,

459
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 5: just kind of playing on an arcade game two years old,

460
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 5: and her mother was up to bowl. She asked her

461
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 5: brother and sister in law, you know, keep an eye

462
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 5: on her, turned her back. When she turned back around,

463
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 5: Tika was gone.

464
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: That fast, that fast, she bowled, She got the ball back,

465
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: she bowled again. She turned around and Tika was gone.

466
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 5: I don't even know if she bowled again. She said

467
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 5: it was about twenty seconds was.

468
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: On the first bowl. She turned around, Tika is gone.

469
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: And a crowded was very crowded that night.

470
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 5: Bowling alley which is and there was not one eyewitness

471
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 5: in a crowded bowling alley that saw her leave or

472
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 5: saw anyone take her.

473
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: It's like that.

474
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: That Great Northern Bowling Alley was very crowded that night,

475
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: and the only lead they had to go on was

476
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: a vehicle someone saw scratchaw and it never went anywhere.

477
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 5: It never went anywhere because there were no surveillance cameras

478
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: on the parking lot. There were no surveillance cameras even

479
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 5: inside the bowling alley, and that tip came in later

480
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 5: and it just never went anywhere.

481
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: They looked at fire doors, you know, the doors that

482
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: are supposed to emit an alarm when you open them,

483
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: but which did not emit an alarm. They tried to

484
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: figure out who had gone out the front door. Nobody

485
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: saw anything, but we know Tika was there with a

486
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: family and she because other people outside the family saw

487
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: her there and saw her right before the mom turned

488
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: around a bowl.

489
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and everybody's story has cleared that. You know, the

490
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 5: mother took two polygraphs in voluntarily. The father wasn't there,

491
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 5: he was out of town. That alibi was substantiated, and

492
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 5: no one saw Tika leave. And the mother even said

493
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 5: that door was too heavy, So it's not like the

494
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 5: toddler sort of wandered.

495
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Off wanted on her own.

496
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: When I have been in for as a check e

497
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Cheese or a Dave in Busters, or an arcade where

498
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: the children are running different ways, that's hard, Mark class.

499
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: What can we do about it?

500
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: Well, we can ensure number one that these locations only

501
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 4: have one way in and out. If you have multiple

502
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 4: entrances in exites, it's going to be much easier for

503
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: somebody to get out with the child. If you're in

504
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: an arcade kind of a situation. You also want to

505
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: be in a place where adults can't come in unaccompanied

506
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: by children.

507
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: Want us that with Lego Land. They don't the ones

508
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: within malls, they don't let a single adult come in.

509
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: You have to come in with children.

510
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 4: And you also have to wear a billion a little

511
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: armband as well, so they categorize you. They know who

512
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: you are. They are no doubt taking surveillance of you

513
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: at this point in time, but you need to do

514
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: those kinds of things. You want to make sure there's

515
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 4: not multiple entrances in exits. You want to make sure

516
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 4: that they don't let on a companied adults, and if

517
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: they do, you just have to keep a much sharper

518
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 4: eye on your child when you're in there, and understand

519
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: that you can't take your eyes off of them for

520
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: even one second. A lot of parents even tether their

521
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 4: children now. It used to be tethering with real leashes, unfortunately,

522
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: but now you can tether with GPS, and you can

523
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: set up geo fencing so that if your child goes

524
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: beyond a certain point there's going to be alarmed. That's

525
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: raised that you can then monitor with your own cell phone.

526
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: So things have come a long long way, but one

527
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: still has to be diligent and one has to know

528
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: one's surroundings and be sure that if a situation does occur,

529
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 4: you're going to be able to react correctly.

530
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember the case of Carly Brushaw. Yes,

531
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: I can still see that video of her. Carly Briushaw

532
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: in Florida had been to a spend the night party

533
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: the night before, remember Marlina, it was less than ten

534
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: minutes from home. The next morning, she was walking home

535
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: and she was going down the street where I think

536
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: she was going to take a right turn, and instead

537
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: she went caddy cornered across behind a car wash. The

538
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: surveillance video shows a little Carly walking and then a

539
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: guy walks up, speaks to her very briefly. He has

540
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: a mechanics outfit, takes her arm, leads her off, and

541
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: that's the last she's seen alive. That guy, Joseph Smith,

542
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: an unemployed mechanic who had a criminal history, is out

543
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: and about. In fact, he was still out on probation

544
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: at the time that this happened. Her body was recovered

545
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: half dressed behind a central Church of God out in

546
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: a densely wooded area not that far away. And the

547
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: mom is sitting at home waiting for Carly to walk

548
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: in the front door.

549
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: And I think we have today, thankfully, is find my

550
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: iPhone and the family sharing where you can actually watch

551
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: your kid walking or moving about, so that helps parents.

552
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: Where in Carly Bruce's time, she wasn't carrying a cell phone.

553
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: Everyone with me, I introduced her before is Allie O'Neil,

554
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: the founder of Reved Up Kids. My children went to

555
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: her class as part of Lucy's Girl Scout program and

556
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: I was so overwhelmed and impressed by what she had

557
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: to say, and I want you to hear what she

558
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: has to say, Allie, how can children fight back?

559
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: So when kids get to be in middle school age,

560
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: like Carly was, they're beginning to separate more from their parents.

561
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: They're beginning to do things more independently, and that's a

562
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: really scary time for parents, and that's a time when

563
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: we need to learn to equip our kids to take

564
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 3: some ownership of their safety. One of the things that

565
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: we teach kids is they need to maintain a safe space,

566
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: meaning about four or five six feet around their body,

567
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: almost like a bubble, and they need to always know

568
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: who's near their safe space all the time, and they

569
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: shouldn't let anybody inside their safe space unless they're comfortable

570
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: with that person being there. So when kids are out,

571
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: like Carly was walking, she should have her head on

572
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 3: a swivel and she should know exactly who's around her

573
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 3: every second, and if somebody starts approaching her who she

574
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: doesn't know, she needs to be running she should. He

575
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 3: never should have been able to get in close to

576
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: her to the point that he could grab her by

577
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: the arm. And who knows if he said I have

578
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: a gun, come with me quietly, I would assume there

579
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 3: was some sort of a threat. But if kids can

580
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 3: be taught to just focus on everybody around them, and

581
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: we always say especially focus on people who seem to

582
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: be focusing on you when you're out, that goes a

583
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: long way towards helping them protect themselves from that type

584
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: of a scenario. And then we also, of course, I

585
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: always say that in Rain's case, where he kept looking

586
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 3: at her in a very unusual way and looking at

587
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: the girls.

588
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: Us on someone that's over focusing on you.

589
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay, absolutely, and then always trust your instinct. Now,

590
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: Carly didn't have a moment of time right he came up,

591
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: He caught her by surprise, and he grabbed her by

592
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: the arm and took her away, So she didn't even

593
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: have a moment of time to trust her instinct. Rain,

594
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: I am very sorry for your loss. But I hear

595
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: your story, and I hear your instinct screaming at you

596
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: again and again and again. Something's not right with this person,

597
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: this man, and every single time you justified his behavior

598
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: somehow to allow.

599
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: The situation to continue.

600
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 3: So we have to believe that in her voice, that

601
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: that is our best tool for safety.

602
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: Allays, Let's address children who are approached by someone, for instance,

603
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: in a car and ask you for a direction, right, Hey,

604
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: do you know where main street is?

605
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

606
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: No, No, he's an adult. Should never ask a child

607
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 4: for great house.

608
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 5: Never.

609
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 4: They should never no business doing that in the child

610
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: should remove themselves from that situation.

611
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: Adults do not need the help of children rate okay,

612
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: and and even big and bigger older kids.

613
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: We need our kids to understand that that person with

614
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: bad intentions might not always be a grown up. It

615
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: could be somebody who's five, six, seven years older than you.

616
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: If you're a thirteen year old girl, it could be

617
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: an eighteen year old boy who's approaching you on the

618
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: street and he has no business doing now.

619
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: For instance, in the Samantha Lonion case, where the little

620
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: girl was two year old, three year old playing in

621
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: the front yard, we are told that he asked her

622
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: about his puppy, his lost puppy.

623
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: Sure, which is the.

624
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: Oldest trick and it still works. Nancy, that's the crazy part,

625
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: it still works.

626
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: So the child gets close to the car and once

627
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: the child is within ten fifteen feet of the car,

628
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: it's over. They get the child is a car, just

629
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: like we were hearing earlier from Alicia, and it's done. Yeah,

630
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: So what can we tell our children?

631
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: So we need to We need to tell our children

632
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: a awareness, situational awareness and who is around you and

633
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: who is near you. I think also we have to

634
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: be careful because our children are going to take cues

635
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: from us. I suspect that Cherish very much trusted her

636
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: abductor because he had been talking to mommy for hours.

637
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: She didn't have any reason not to trust him in

638
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: that moment. So we have to be careful about how

639
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: we interact with individuals and are we teaching our children

640
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 3: to let their guard down when they shouldn't be. When

641
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 3: my children attended your class Revved Up Kids, you gave

642
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: very specific examples of what children should do and be

643
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: aware of what are they And one of the things

644
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: that we find is kids are taught by their parents

645
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: to be very helpful, always help, and also obedient, obey

646
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: and be respectful to adults. So predators use that by

647
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: asking kids for help asking kids for assistants, pretending to

648
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: be hurt, can you give me directions? The life Lost

649
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: dog lure. So we tell kids one of the most

650
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: important things you do for your safety is your parents

651
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: need to know exactly where you are every minute of

652
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 3: every day. Anytime you are invited into someone's home, their garage,

653
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: their basement, their backyard, you check in with your parents first.

654
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: If a stranger asks you for help, there's no reason

655
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: a stranger should ever ask a child for help. They

656
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: can go to another adult. But sometimes predators are people

657
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: that our children know, they're people in that inner circle.

658
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: What are they supposed to do then? So we always say,

659
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: if someone you know is asking you for help, you

660
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: need to get permission from your parents first. So that's,

661
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: you know, one of the big rules that we lay

662
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: out for kids for safety. Always, always your parents know

663
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: exactly where you are. That's the best way to stay safe.

664
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: And then there are rules that support that.

665
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: I e.

666
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: I keep my safe space. I don't talk to strangers.

667
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: I don't believe people who are you asking me questions,

668
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: approaching me, trying to talk to me. That goes to

669
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: keeping safe space, That goes to not if somebody approaches

670
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: you and they're a stranger to you, you shouldn't be

671
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 3: going anywhere near that car. What if you're walking and

672
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: someone is slowly coming up near you, what can you

673
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: do in that moment? Run in the opposite direction that

674
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: the car is going. It's hard for a car to

675
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: turn around, So if you just run the opposite way.

676
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: And a child needs to know in their neighborhood, in

677
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: their closed circle, where are the safe places to go?

678
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: So that's not just my next door neighbor. Where else

679
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: in my neighborhood where I might be playing are the

680
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: safe houses that I can go if I ever feel

681
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: like I'm in trouble. So that's a conversation to have

682
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: with your children. Talk about who your safe neighbors are.

683
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: Help your kids to be able to identify those homes

684
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: all throughout the neighborhood. Maybe there's four or five different

685
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: houses in different parts of the neighborhood where you know

686
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: the people well, so that your child has a place

687
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: to go. And then we all so say, you know,

688
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 3: if everything goes wrong and you're far away from home

689
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: and you're not in your safe neighbors, go where there's people.

690
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: Go to a group of people and activity. Don't put

691
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: yourself in a situation where you're further isolated. Maybe the

692
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: child's playing at the park and they're off by themselves

693
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 3: on the swing and somebody starts to approach them. Run

694
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: toward groups of people. That's the safest place to go.

695
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: And I guess Marilene, a part of what she is

696
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: saying is be careful of people approaching you that shouldn't

697
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: be getting close to you. Once they're close enough to you,

698
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: it's over. It's for a child, for instance, on a playground.

699
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: There are a string of cases where children have been

700
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: inbducted from softball fields, playgrounds.

701
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and there are so many criminals out there that

702
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: are so breezen that they will kidnap a child even

703
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 5: if the parent is there. There was one case in Kirkland,

704
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 5: Washington where a grandmother, a mother, and two children are

705
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 5: just walking through the park. The grandmother's in charge of

706
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 5: the toddler, and this woman just comes up behind ooop

707
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 5: on the head to the grandmother and takes off with

708
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 5: the toddler.

709
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: Of course they go running after her.

710
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 5: It ends well.

711
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: They cach a female abductor.

712
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 5: A female abductor you know, which we later learned she

713
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 5: had mental illnesses living out of a car. But that's

714
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 5: not the point. The point is is that they're everywhere

715
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: and it doesn't even matter. Sometimes if the parent is there.

716
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 5: They caught up with her, they got the toddler back,

717
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: she was arrested. There's another case that happened.

718
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: In New York.

719
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 5: A mom takes her two children stay at home. Mom

720
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 5: takes her two children out to the playground that's right

721
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: next to their home. Another mom asks for her assistance

722
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 5: with her child. She turns and when she turns back again,

723
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 5: only her daughter is standing there. The son is gone.

724
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: The daughter said, there's some.

725
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 5: Maintenance worker that was standing on the playground. Apparently this

726
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: is the man that took her son. Thankfully, twenty four

727
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: hours later he was recovered. But yeah, so she was

728
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 5: standing within feet of her own son and this person

729
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 5: just came up and.

730
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: Sitt, I tell you what happened with me and the

731
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: Babies or Us. A mother had come up to me

732
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: at our community pool and was bragging that she made

733
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: her own sunscreen and it was organic, because you know

734
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: now they think sunscreen causes cancer. So I go to

735
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: Babies or Us. It's a giant superstore and up down well,

736
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: the very bottom level on the floor. Looking I stand up,

737
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: I didn't find it. I turn around. John David's gone.

738
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: Lucy's standing there. John David's gone. It was just that instance.

739
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: You don't have to doubt what these other people are saying.

740
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't have been down there over a minute and

741
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: a half because I dug around a little bit and

742
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: then got up, stood up and turned around. He's gone.

743
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: I picked Lucy up like a football and started running

744
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: and screaming, locked the doors. Somebody took my baby and

745
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: they did lock the doors, and everybody converged because of

746
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: me screaming, and we found John David. He was wearing

747
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: those little rubber crocks. I never heard him walk off,

748
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: and he had gotten three or four aisles down. But

749
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: what if you got a child that big alone in

750
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: a giant store. Babies are us. It's a predator's dream.

751
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: Can I add a tip for parents for that? We

752
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: always say to parents two things. A when you go

753
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 3: out with your child anywhere, snap a head to toe

754
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: picture that morning on your cell phone of your child,

755
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: because chances are if someone would have said what was

756
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: he wearing, you were in a panic. You don't remember

757
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: what he was wearing. Or if you describe a child

758
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: who's he's this tall with sandy blond hair and blue eyes,

759
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: versus here's a picture of my kid from this morning,

760
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: that'll help the volunteers who mobilize to walk.

761
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a really good practice I see in

762
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: your head. Yes, do you have an idea?

763
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 2: No?

764
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: I agree with that.

765
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: Told me.

766
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: I think that's a great And then my second thing is,

767
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 3: whenever you go anywhere with your child and you walk

768
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: in the door, you need to make a separation plan.

769
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: What will we do if we get separated? Where will

770
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: we go? You need to have your child participate in

771
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: that decision. Pick a place that your child can find

772
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: from anywhere in that venue. Some like if you're in Walmart,

773
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: can you look up at the ceiling and can you

774
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: see a sign? Or can your child find the front

775
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: of the store And pick a place and have your

776
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: child be part of that decision, so it sinks into

777
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: your child's brain where they're supposed to go. That way,

778
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: if they do get separated from you, they're not walking

779
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: around the store crying and looking lost for their Mommy.

780
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: Ellie Neil and someone approaches your child or Alene carly

781
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: brush or where you see him physically grab her arm.

782
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: When that happens, what should your child yell out?

783
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: We use well, yes, we use fire with older kids

784
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: because I think older kids tend to be more likely

785
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: to be abducted alone out in public with little babies

786
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: like your kids, Just yelling out anything is going to

787
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: draw attention to them. So when we teach kids, we're

788
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: teaching them to string No.

789
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: I've always been told that if they yell, I say, oh,

790
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: that kid's in trouble. It doesn't want to get reprimand

791
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: they're still drying. That's what I tell the children to yell, Yah,

792
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: you're not my mommy, you're not my daddy, let me go.

793
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: It doesn't actually always work. In the case I was

794
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 5: telling you about New York. They're on a subway and

795
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 5: he's saying, I want my mommy, I want my mommy.

796
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 5: And this guy was acting like, oh, we're going to

797
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 5: find her as soon as we get to the cops,

798
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 5: as if he was helping him.

799
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was four year old.

800
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: This child.

801
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 5: For me, it's about the other people on the crowded

802
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 5: train thought, oh, this man's helping him. Okay, she's fine.

803
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: A four year old little boy on the subway in New.

804
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: York with a kidnapper.

805
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 5: And what happened, Oh well, he took him all the

806
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 5: way uptown, spent the night with him, and then dropped

807
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 5: him off back into the subway to a subway clerk,

808
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 5: and that's when the clerk called the cops and he

809
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 5: was recovered.

810
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 2: You mention something about a crowded beach.

811
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 5: That was a personal story of the same thing that

812
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 5: happened to you. And babies are us With my daughter

813
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 5: when she was two years old and I put down

814
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 5: and put a bucket down and look back up and

815
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 5: she was gone. I mean it was like that. And

816
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: I did a three sixty in a total panic, and

817
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 5: I was with a you know, a group of friends,

818
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 5: and she had already made it forty feet ahead of

819
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 5: heading towards the water.

820
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: So what do we need to do? Regarding playgrounds? I

821
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: always look for a playground that has a fence around

822
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: it if I can find it, I try to find,

823
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: like in an arcade or any other amusement place. I

824
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: try to find one that only has one entry exit

825
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: so I can look at it, or people that are

826
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: working there know who's coming in and out. What else

827
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: should we look for regarding playgrounds and amusement places.

828
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: Once you get in there, I think you should try

829
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 4: to make a judgment call as to whether or not

830
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 4: the other adults that are there are supervising children or not.

831
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 4: And if you find someone that's obviously not supervising children,

832
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 4: that's somebody you totally have to keep your eye on

833
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: because they're not there for a good reason, no good.

834
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 3: Reason, And don't be complacent. I think a lot of

835
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: times parents when they go to the same places over

836
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: and over again, there's a sense of comfort and safety there,

837
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: regardless of whether it's true or not. You see your

838
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: children playing, everything's fine week after week after week. Then

839
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: you're okay reading your book, you're okay talking to your

840
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: girlfriend on the phone, and you're not honed in and

841
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: watching your children. And same thing in the stores if

842
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: it's a story shop at all the time, you just

843
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: feel a sense of safety.

844
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: When you said they'll, I got you, that really hit home.

845
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: I go out with the children, I'll look around every

846
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: single mom and an adult is just like it's gully

847
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: to and yeah, he could just deal all the children

848
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: and herd them up white cats and put them in

849
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: a v enemy gone and nobody would look up from

850
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: their I phone. You're probably right.

851
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 3: So just paying attention, just being vigilant all the time

852
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: when you're out with your kids is really really critical.

853
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Let's summarize what we know.

854
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 4: Here's how I would summarize that a lot of these

855
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: points have already been made. That parents should know where

856
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 4: their children are all the time, so the kids should

857
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: be telling the parents where they're going to be. That

858
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 4: they should be using the buddy system. That they shouldn't

859
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 4: be alone because being alone isolates them. That they should

860
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: trust their feelings. If something feels wrong, it probably is wrong.

861
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: And they need to put distance between themselves and whatever

862
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 4: that is. That they should feel comfortable walking up to

863
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: people they don't know, so called strangers, people they don't know,

864
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 4: particularly police officers in uniform or anybody in a uniform,

865
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 4: or a mother, or even the vast majority of men,

866
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: although men tend to be the problem, and they will

867
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 4: help that child get out of the situation that they're in.

868
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 4: And I really believe that you should give kids, even

869
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 4: young kids, a cell phone. It gives you, it tethers

870
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 4: you to them, it gives you the ability, hopefully to

871
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 4: track them if something goes wrong and that you should

872
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 4: also as well.

873
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 6: As a little GPS tracker, as well as talking about

874
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 6: safe places with your kids, show your kids areas to

875
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 6: avoid like alleyways in dark stairs else where if they're

876
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 6: alone and somebody is lurking and they could find themselves

877
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 6: in a world of hurt.

878
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, yep, And I had one more when I was

879
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 7: talking about the out and about and picking the place. Also,

880
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 7: remind your child that you would never ever leave without them.

881
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 7: So if somebody says I saw your momy go out

882
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 7: the door looking for you, that is not true. Make

883
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 7: sure your child knows that you would never leave without them.

884
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: That is a lot of information. Let's break it down

885
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: how to keep your child safe out and about. Number

886
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: one so obvious. In a store or anywhere, don't let

887
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: your child out off your sight, don't let your child

888
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: talk to strangers, and don't rely on strangers to watch

889
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: your child. Alert the store immediately if your child is

890
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: missing so they can trigger a code adam. Always have

891
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: a separation plan in case you do get separated, and

892
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: have that conversation with your child. Let them participate in

893
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: making the decision if where to meet up.

894
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: Make sure your.

895
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: Child knows you would never leave without them, so if

896
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: a stranger tells them that that's not true. Public bathrooms

897
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: whenever possible. Find a unisex or a family bathroom. Never

898
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: send your child into a public bathroom alone. If you

899
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: need help, ask an employee or security guard. Never accept

900
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: help from a well meaning stranger to watch your child

901
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Teach your child to use a private stall,

902
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: never an open urine all. Teach your child never to

903
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: speak to a stranger in the bathroom. Avoid public bathrooms

904
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: with more than one entrance. Make eye contact with every

905
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: person who enters the bathroom while your child is in there.

906
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: Stand at the door and talk to your child loudly

907
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: while they are in the bathroom. If for some reason,

908
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: you must let them go in by themselves. When you

909
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: are at an amusement center, a bowling alley, an arcade,

910
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: look for playplaces that only allow adults, and if they

911
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: are with a child. Why would a single adult be

912
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: and a child bouncy house no reason. Stay away from

913
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: people who are not their supervising children. Go to places

914
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: where you're required to have a wristband or a stamp

915
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: to enter or re enter. Look for playplaces with only

916
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: one entrance and exit. Owners must be running comprehensive background

917
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: checks to eliminate known threats in parks and playgrounds, again,

918
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: look for places with only one entrance exit. Fenced playgrounds

919
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: are the best. Look for playgrounds where alcohol is not allowed.

920
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: If possible, choose playgrounds or parks that are not visible

921
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: from the interstate. What about in your own neighborhood? Parents

922
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: must know where their children are every minute of every day.

923
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: It's not that hard. Always have your child check in

924
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: with you. Remind your child there is no reason an

925
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: adult should ever ask for help. That goes for teens

926
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: as well. Adults can go to other adults for help.

927
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: Children must be indoctrinated to keep a safe space between

928
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: them and strangers and to never approach a stranger's vehicle.

929
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: If a car pulls up behind your child, train your

930
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: child to run in the opposite direction. Your child must

931
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: know safe places in your neighborhood if there are any

932
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: Speak to your child about these issues. Who are safe neighbors,

933
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: What houses should they go to in case of an emergency?

934
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: If they are away from home, go where there are

935
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: people and activity, and never ever teach us to your

936
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: child let them isolate themselves away from other people. If

937
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: your child is in danger, they must make a lot

938
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: of noise. If they are afraid or in danger, you

939
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: must tell them what to do if they feel unsafe.

940
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: Remember the little.

941
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: Girl at Walmart who kicked and screamed and massed to

942
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: get away from a predator. She was taught that children

943
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: must trust their instincts. If someone's telling them to do

944
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: something that they don't feel as right, they've got a

945
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: scream and put distance between themselves and that person. Go

946
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: to an authority, tell them what has happened. Use the

947
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: buddy system. Consider giving your child a cell phone so

948
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: they are tethered to you digitally. I know it seems overwhelming,

949
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: and it is, but you are the parent. This is

950
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: your duty. It may seem overwhelming, but again, there is

951
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: no second chance.