1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steffman. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio's house stuff works. 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: It's time for another feminist movie Friday. We're gonna make 4 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: this I think so. Wait, this is because it's coming 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: out on Friday night, that we're watching it on Friday. 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: It's however it fits into the lives of whoever is listening. Yes, 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: it should accomplish on Fridays. But if you don't watch 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: it on a Friday, that's totally cool. If you don't 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: watch it, ever, I thought, I'm totally cool listen. Yeah, 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: well no, no, I don't want to movie. Okay, Well yeah, see, 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things you could make this work on. However, 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: use about you know what sences we're supposed to be 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: using right now? That seems to be a general confusion 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: we have has been general confused. Um, so I got 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: to choose the last movie for feminist movie Friday, and 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: so this one it was more of a Samantha choice. 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: I thought it was a team effort because we were 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: both trying to figure out what movie is Holiday, but 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: without being to holiday, right, because, like we talked about 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: in our emotional labor holiday aged episode. Samantha's not a 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: big holiday fan. And um, back when I was sort 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: of semi host less, I did a holiday movie overview 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: with my friend Katie. It was mostly Hallmark movies. Hi Katie, 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: she's an expert in those, um, but we thought we'd 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: tackle some lesser discussed holiday movies today so that you 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: this is more than one film, right, But to be fair, yes, 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: the movie that I chose, it's very much like even 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: though they might not be seeing holiday carols, there's a 29 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: lot of holiday decorations in the entire movie. Yes, And 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: so we've built it up here we go, Oh, we're 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: talking about Batman returns. Yeah, with a little bit of 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: Iron Man three a little bit and a little bit 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: of Spider Man into the spiderse a little um. I 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: would like to say, though, we will be coming back 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: to the craft and the many suggestions you guys had, 36 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: who decided to go ahead and start our holiday addition 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: with a little bit of feminist turn again. I don't 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: like holidays, Um, Hello, I kind of enjoy some holiday movies. 39 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: I already said that I like Love actually and that 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: is an absolute holiday movie. But that was just two 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: on the nose for Yeah, well, and a lot of 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: them as we discussed I think in the past past episode. UM, 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: hard to have much feminist discussion in them unless we're 44 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: just like, well, this is all a problem here. Um. 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: And surprisingly Batman returns, there's a lot to be said, Yeah, 46 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: you're surprised. And somehow we wedged a viewing in for 47 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: both Batman returns and Spider Man in to the Spider 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: Verse on Sunday. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. And 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: then we had like Harry Potter in there, so it 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: was all night. It wasn't very long. Also, I feel like, uh, 51 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: I missed an opportunity to have the live interaction commentary 52 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: that you put on Annie. It's almost as entertaining as 53 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: the actual movie. And so if you guys ever want 54 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: to treat if I could ever live stream you watching 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: Spider Man into the Spider Verse, and it will never 56 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: be a clip of the movie. It's just you squealing 57 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: at the movie the entire time. It's Oh man, I 58 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: had about Curby dots Curby dots the line and it 59 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: was so so A friend Joe was there and the 60 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: two of you were just having a backup board and 61 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: I kept looking about be going you guys are the 62 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: worst people to watch movies. Yeah. I really couldn't contain 63 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: my enthusiasm. I appreciate that you let me have that. Oh, 64 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. One day we're gonna do it again 65 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna live stream for everyone. I was very excited. 66 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know we were going to get to watch that. 67 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: That was kind of a bonus little treat. Yes, Um, 68 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: so we will return to that at the very end. 69 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: And if I want to do spoiled Saturdays where we 70 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: just have a take on something that's really recent and 71 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: if you don't want to be spoiled, then don't listen. 72 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: We could talk about The Joker like that we talked 73 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: about previously, and then Midsummer I have Yeah, I have 74 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: so many horror movies. Please let me talk about this. Um. 75 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: But okay, today we're talking about Batman returns. That turns yeah, 76 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: and UM. For this, I did want to do a 77 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: really quick overview of Catwoman because she's pretty much what 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about in terms of this movie. Um, 79 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: and she's been around a long long time. I think 80 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: definitely future episode because there's a lot to be said 81 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: about her. But quickly, she first appeared in nineteen forty, 82 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: meaning that she's been through the first, second, third, and 83 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: fourth if you want to call that waves of feminism. 84 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: She was designed by Jerry Robinson and Bob Kane. Only 85 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: three women have written for her so far, and she's 86 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: only ever been drawn by men. If you're wondering, um, 87 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: she was one of the first ever female comic book superheroes. 88 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: In quotes, um, her name is Selina Kyle, and she's 89 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: a cat burglar in a cat suit. She's often painted 90 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: as an anti hero and sometimes a villain and sometimes 91 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: a hero, and this allows her to operate in a 92 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: space where she's tough to pin down. Um. She's more 93 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: than Batman's sometimes love interest. Over the years, she's been 94 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: played by a handful of people, from Michelle Peiffer to 95 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: Halle Berry to Ann Hathaway and I think I was 96 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: telling you, Samath. I'm pretty sure most of the mainstream 97 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: women who have played her have all been nominated for oscars. 98 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: Are one oscars so hey yeah, um and yes, And 99 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: most depictions she is highly sexualized. Her outfit is similar 100 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: to what a dominatrix would wear, down to the whip, 101 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: which is usually her weapon of choice, and then there's 102 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: this quote. Um Bob Kane once said of Catwoman, I 103 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: felt that women were feline creatures and men were more 104 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: like dogs. While dogs are faithful and friendly, cats are cool, detached, 105 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: and unreliable. I felt much warmer with dogs around me. 106 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: Cats are as hard to understand as women are. Men 107 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: feel more sure of themselves with a male friend than 108 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: a woman. You always need to keep women at arms length. 109 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: We don't want anyone taking over our souls, and women 110 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: have a habit of doing that. So there's a love 111 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: resentment thing with women. I guess women will feel that 112 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm being chauvinistic to speak this way, but I do 113 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: feel that I've had better relationships with male friends than women. 114 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: With women wants thro romance is over somehow. They never 115 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: remain my friends, of course not. So this is the 116 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: person who created a Catwoman. That might give you some 117 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: insight into the character. This also might she was created 118 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: in part to combat talk of homo eroticism between Batman 119 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: and Robin and to reinforce Batman's heterosexuality. Yeah, Catwoman was 120 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: banned from the comics in the fifties because of the 121 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: comic code that dictated that crime should never be seen 122 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: to pay and Catwoman was not acting like how a 123 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: woman should behave Oh no, and she didn't return until 124 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties. She was originally played by Julie Numar 125 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties TV series with Adam west Um, 126 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: who was also then later on played by Eartha kit 127 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: in the final season of that series, apparently because Julie 128 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: Numar was in a movie contract. She has different origin stories, 129 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: so the first being known as the cat who carries 130 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: the whip and has high stakes thievery. Yeah. Um to 131 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: a stewardess with amnesia that turned to crime that then 132 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: later assisted Batman in stopping crime. Uh, to the now 133 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: Little Nothing, Now to the what We're talking About ninety 134 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: two version of the Revenge speaking Receptionist Assistant an Assistant 135 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: um too and Hathaway's original take on the high stage 136 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: thief right. And throughout these various incarnations, one thing that 137 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: has remained steady is that she is sexualized and the 138 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: power her body has over others. However, since she is 139 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: catering to the male gaze, it's really hard to say 140 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: what is power and what is objectification? Um and I 141 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: have felt this when I have a dressed as her, Um, 142 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: because I have had a lot of super gross comments 143 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: made to me, UM, including one that really stands out 144 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: where this guy said that I quote knew exactly what 145 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: I was doing by addressing as her rape. It was gross. 146 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: It's very comment. Uh. Side note here according to some 147 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: in the original series, um, and then when we see 148 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: it again in both Batman Returns and Dark Knight, the 149 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: love story link between Batman and Catwoman existed. However, when 150 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Arthur Kit portrayed the role as Catwoman. Because she was 151 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: African American and because Adam West is was white, writers 152 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: and creators felt it was too taboo and not suitable 153 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: for them to be a on screen romance, so they 154 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: changed that story to being bat Girl and Batman, which 155 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: is yeah, bad girl. There was also a boat Woman 156 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: who was introduced when Catwoman was off the stage, who 157 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: was like see heater normativity family. She was like the mom, 158 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: the boring mom, and then Batman is the dad Robin 159 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: nurser side. And I remember because I did watch the series, 160 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I really like the Adam 161 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: West series growing up, where bad Girl was very the 162 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: girl next door while Catwoman was the bad girl. Yeah. 163 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: So the plot. How would you describe this little couple 164 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: so many things? Because you know this is the beginning 165 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: where they were having more than one and I hera 166 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: villain into the stories. So Batman returns in the Batman's sequel, 167 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: directed by Tim Barton with a script by Daniel Waters. 168 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: This is the same dude that did the script for Heathers, 169 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: which any you acknowledged. Yes, and that's gonna be another 170 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: movie I think we need to visit. Um. Michael Keaton 171 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: plays Bruce Wayne Batman, who was doing his best to 172 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: protect Gotham from a corrupt industrialist named Max Shrek, who 173 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: was played by the wonderful Christopher Walkins I browsed so 174 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: good and a crime boss known as the Penguin by 175 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: the who else could it be? But Danny de Vito like, 176 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's gonna be any one who 177 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: could replace that. And it takes place Tatada at Christmas time. 178 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: A giant tree at the opening scene, the Christmas tree lighting, 179 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: Yes that's yes, that's true, presents all that yes to 180 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: bring in all of the crazy clowns. Apparently circuses something 181 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: had to do with it, as well as Zoo's Okay, 182 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: so according to the Amazon description, Yeah, let's see what 183 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: how amazons Batman Kate Chris later it's pitted against demented, 184 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: refinous penguin, pitiful orphaned, psychopathic freak, and power hungry capitalist 185 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: villain Max Shrek. So no I mentioned, of course, not 186 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: even though that was really really one of the like that. Honestly, 187 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: between her and Dany DeVito and Christopher Walkin, I remembered 188 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: Michelle Peiffer in the movie. Yeah, and that's what a 189 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: lot of people seem to say when I tell them 190 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: when I would say we're doing this episode, and they 191 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: would have meted the iconic caplan like um. And also, 192 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: I just want to mention my favorite part of this 193 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: Amazon description is that power is in quotes because he's 194 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: there's a power plant involves if you've seen it in 195 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: a Marvel not Marvel, a d C movie for sure. 196 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: Because also the original Batman series had all of the 197 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of uh puns. Oh, so I think it kind 198 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: of gave a lineage to that. Well, yeah, they definitely 199 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: leaned in in this one. I haven't seen, so disclaimer, 200 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: I've seen all of these era Batman movies. I've seen 201 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: all the Christopher Nolan ones, but I saw them all 202 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: in one very drunken day, so I only remember bits 203 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: and pieces. Um. But Samantha, I did rewatch this one 204 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: for this show, so I have seen it, but I 205 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: do I ha got a sense that they really leaned 206 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: hard into those puns, right. I think the second one 207 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: was a little more because the first one was also 208 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: by Tim Burton, and I feel like you see the 209 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: same darkness, but the second one seems a little kitchier. 210 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: But to be fair, I guess you have that origin 211 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: story of Batman, so the darkness of you know, seeing 212 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: his parents die and all of that, and him coming 213 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: out to the community as you know, this vengeful hero, 214 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: but you do also have the joker of doing a 215 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: majority of the puns and being somewhat kitchy. As of 216 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: the second one, I think it's just kind of all happened. 217 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: And you did mention about the fact that there wasn't 218 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: many scenes with Keaton. Yeah, that's one of my favorite 219 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: parts of the movie. Actually, he's in like a fourth 220 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: of it. Um, he's really not about him in my opinion, 221 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 1: especially the first half. Yeah, it definitely was all the 222 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: origin stories for Catwoman, yes, and I love that. So 223 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about Catwoman. So Michelle Phifer played her Selena 224 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: Kyle Um slash Catwoman, and when the movie starts, Selena 225 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: Kyle is the embodiment of the crazy cat lady. Um. 226 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: She's sort of frumpy and her outfit she has these 227 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: glasses on which we all know and the that meant, well, 228 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: it's still I guess means that. Yeah, people still use 229 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: that as a thing of like, unless you're doing library 230 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: esque type of thing. Librarians is still like the transformative moment. Yeahiculous. 231 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: And by the way, Michelle Phifer frumpy is an Oxymoronen. 232 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah, she says, I love it. 233 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: When she gets into her empty apartment, she says, honey, 234 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm home. Oh I forgot I'm not married right. Um. 235 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: And she is the executive assistant slash secretary of Max 236 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: shrek Um, who is the ultimate sexist boss. He regularly 237 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: demeans her, He dismisses her, he humiliates her like publicly. Um. 238 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: When she speaks, she does so as though she doesn't 239 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: want to be heard, and she voices things in questions. Um. 240 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: After she what what does this? Christopher Baal can say, 241 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: we have a housebroken her yet and he leaves, and 242 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: then she calls herself a corn doll, herself like, look, 243 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: so stupid corn dog, um, which is a great friend. 244 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that. I'm gonna call everyone a corn dog. 245 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I haven't heard that insult in a long time, and 246 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, especially coming from a shell fifer 247 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: and very funny. Um. And then this is around the 248 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: time where the Christmas present thing goes wrong and the 249 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: shell fighter gets attacked and it's held hostage by a 250 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: clown um and well, and he has like a taser 251 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: and Batman saves her and then kind of just leaves 252 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: because she's invisible at that point. Yeah, yea yea yeah. 253 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: And then she has to go back to work late 254 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: and she discovers that her boss is up to no good, 255 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: up to no good. Yeah, she's basically she's she's smart 256 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: enough to to be like, wait a minute, your power 257 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: plant is gonna suck power from the city. What's going on? 258 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: And then he's like, oh, you're very good at your job, 259 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: too good perhaps, um, and he pushes her out a 260 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: window and uh he yeah, in his mind, what value 261 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: did she have? A poor lonely woman. He just pushed 262 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: her out the window right. Yeah, and this is when 263 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: she becomes catwoman, I guess after a bunch of cats 264 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: walk all over her and one bites her. Yeah, we 265 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: do see her see it nibbling on her finger and 266 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: there's blood involved. Um. And so she I love this. 267 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: She goes she looks like a zombie. Um and she says, honey, 268 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm holl again. Uh. And then she listens to her 269 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: answering machine and there are three messages on it, one 270 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: from her mother, one from her ex well basically her 271 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: boyfriend breaking up with her says his therapist said he 272 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: doesn't need an appendage anymore. Um. And then a third one, 273 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: which is from a perfume company that's basically pushing how 274 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: women's sexuality is their currency, which, by the way, as 275 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: a call back to her comic book roots as a 276 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: sex worker, um and um how capitalism profits off of that, 277 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: like the systemic kind of sexualization of gratification of women. 278 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: And also it's from her boss's company. It's her boss's 279 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: department store, so she really uh transforms. So she gets 280 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: um like black spray paint and starts spray praying her apartment. 281 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: By the way, it's like all pink and really kind 282 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: of girly. Well, there's stuffed animals. If we discussed there's 283 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: very much of a young young girl, right, trying to 284 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: grow up to be a woman. It was a transformation 285 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: to be a woman. Yeah. So she gets out of 286 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: black spray paint, spraying things down. She goes into her 287 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: her closet and pulls out a black jacket, um and 288 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: starts kind of frantically sewing it together to make this 289 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: cat suit. And I just want to like reiterate she 290 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: survived at tempted murder, returns home and thanks to herself 291 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: revenge but first outfit. Who does it through that? I mean, 292 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: you can't kick someone in a skirt, which is what 293 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: she's been wearing the entire time. Um. As part of 294 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: this transformation, her voice becomes deeper, kind of cat like 295 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: and purring. Um. She she has this sign, a neon 296 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: sign that said hello there, but she breaks it so 297 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: that instead says hell here, that's one of my face things. 298 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: Want that. It's very pink as well. It's a reminder, Yeah, 299 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: the sign is pink. Um. And I feel like this 300 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: scene is a very screw you to the white picket 301 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: fence kind of perfect life that we've a lot of 302 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: it has been told this is success, this is the 303 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: only way. Um. So yeah, she becomes overcome with a 304 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: self destructive desire for revenge. Um and and this way 305 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: she's a great mirror for Bruce Wayne's character. Where he 306 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: is all about justice, she is all about vengeance. Um. 307 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: He is a member of the wealthiest class. She decidedly 308 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: it's not. She is torn between, um, what she should 309 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: do and what she wants to do, between the tragedy 310 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: of her past and the potential to make the future 311 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: into something better. And Batman even says her at the 312 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: very end were the same split right down the center, 313 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, I do like that. It's her origin story. 314 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 1: We see Batman saves her and then she stabs him, 315 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: which seems to be a criticism of the damsel in distress. 316 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: He offers her a fairy tale the ending women have 317 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: been taught to want, and she was like, oh, I 318 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: couldn't live with myself, and the scratches him in the 319 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: face and leaves a hook or a claw, leaves a claw. 320 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: She is not a sex object, or at least she 321 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: is that and something else. She is scary, unhinged and 322 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: a total nightmare. That crazy girl right if I would 323 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: put a live bird in her mouth for this movie 324 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: which he told me about. Yeah, and I was like, 325 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she actually did this. And Penguin, who 326 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: totally does objectify her, describes her as beauty and the 327 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: beast in one luscious Christmas gift back. Yeah. Also, he's 328 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 1: just disgusting in every way. Yeah. And when she they 329 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of make a pact to work together to take 330 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: down Batman, and when she refuses his advances because in 331 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: his mind there was going to be this romantic sexual 332 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: component to them working together. And when she's she refuses 333 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: his advances, he says, you're setting out all the signals 334 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: to have you spade, and then he attacks her and 335 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: cost her one of her nine lives. Um. And also 336 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: of notes in this conversation, Penguin does he die He dies? Yeah, 337 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: he dies when he picks the cute umbrella at the end, 338 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: the feminine one which does nothing against the white, heteronormative 339 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: masculinity a batman. Yes. Uh. And also another line we 340 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: wanted to showcases when Catwoman, one of the first things 341 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 1: she does is break into the department store by her 342 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: boss h and these two guards see her and she's 343 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: in this very sexual, sexualized outfit, very sexy, and one 344 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: of them says, oh, I don't know whether to attack 345 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: or take her home? Uh or what movie says I'm 346 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: in love anyway, basically I should I attack her or 347 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: trying to get with her? And Catwoman says, you men 348 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: always confusing your pistols with your privates, very soldiery, like 349 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: too yes, and then she just blows up the department. 350 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: She doesn't steal jewelry, leave, yeah, doesn't killing body yet yet, 351 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: and she that's when she gets the whip her weapon. Um. 352 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: And then when Batman attacks her, she says something like 353 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: how dare you? I'm a woman, but then immediately strikes 354 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: back and finishes her thought with as I was saying, 355 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm a woman and can't be taken for granted. Life's 356 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: a bitch now, so am I? Hell yeah, yeah, she 357 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: really leans hard. I felt like into the hysterical label 358 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: that has so long been used against women. She just 359 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: went for it. You're gonna call me that, okay, cat lady, 360 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm away crazy cat lady exactly. Oh yeah, And I 361 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: just want to say talk about some us t unresolved 362 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: sexual tension. I did read a lot of accounts from 363 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: people who saw this when they were maybe adolescents, and 364 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: we're saying that it was a real formative. It really 365 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: was her licking his face alongs huh yeah, yeah, yeah, 366 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: um and then yeah after your Batman kind of offers 367 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: her this fairy tale ending. Um, she refuses and instead 368 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: she dies getting her revenge on Shrek. But she has 369 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: one life left, so maybe she didn't die. And you 370 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: see spoiler alert? Are you just see here at the end? 371 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 1: Do you? I don't remember. I remember he gets out 372 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: of the car and he looking at the bat sign. 373 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh is she Yes? You were the one that called 374 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: it out. I was checked out, friend. Alright. So when 375 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: this movie came out, it was in the middle of 376 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: the third wave feminism, and some people have interpreted Catwoman's 377 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: storyline as a feminist awaking and finding identity. I would 378 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: agree with that. One of her first acts as Catwoman 379 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: is rescuing a woman from rape and then brating that 380 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: woman for acting like a victim. And she's not learning 381 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: to be a hero. She's just enraged and knocking and 382 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: looking to break the patriarchal system. She's angry at every 383 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: one who participated it in her mind allows to continue 384 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: it so as she says, you make it easy, don't 385 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: you always waiting for some batman to save you? I 386 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: am catwoman? Hear me roar. Yeah. That was the first 387 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: thing she did when she got out. And she even 388 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: says to the potential victim, the man attacking her, go 389 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: easy on me. It's my first time. Yes, yes, because 390 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: he was like what So. Also, perhaps she's yelling at 391 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: her past self who she's saved by batman early on 392 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: in the movie when we were talking about with the 393 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: circus people. Um, And she takes the taste from that 394 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: attacker and later weaponizes it against her enemies, which she 395 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: did actually actually use on that clown as well, but 396 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: he was already out right she uses it at the end, 397 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 1: she like puts it in her changue kisses Christopher walk in. Um. 398 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: So like she's kind of yeah, she's weaponizing her sexuality. 399 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: I guess you could read it that way, um. And 400 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 1: then taking this weapon from people who would do her 401 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: harm and using it against against them, right, because he 402 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: did try to have the last word and tell her 403 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: she's fired. He tries to kill her and runs out 404 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: of bullets with two of her lives remaining, right, right, 405 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: and yes, we do have to talk about her outfit. Um. 406 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: It is perhaps one of the most forfeitting outfits ever 407 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: to grace the big screen. Um. Pieces of shiny black 408 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: leather stretched over her body and stable together as if 409 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: to represent the fragile nature of her psyche that she's 410 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: barely being whole held together. Um. And the whip, of course, UM. 411 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: So the whip being more about punishing and pain than 412 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: about killing. Um. And there was definitely some misogyny in 413 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: the way critics wrote about about her, the shellfifer and 414 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: the outfit. Um. Here's an example from the rolling Stone. 415 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: Off to the side. Michael Keaton aka Bruce Wayne A 416 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: ka Batman was enjoying the hell out of the moment. 417 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: Oh it was tasty. Here was mrs two time Oscar nominee, 418 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: mrs Actors Actor, mrs total get it into takes professional, 419 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: held and checked by a few pounds of wet second 420 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: latex in a pair of pointy ears. That's a weird comment. Yeah. Um, 421 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: they had to govern Michelle Peiffer and Baby Bowder before 422 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: she donned the suit, which they then vacuum packed. Yeah. 423 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: She just recently talked about it during an interview and 424 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: about how awful it was, and painful it was for her. 425 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: So Catwomen outfits ranked so many thought pieces on the 426 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: cat suit. There's different variations. Some see it as embracing 427 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: the sexual objectification of women and weaponizing it, or maybe 428 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: rejecting males superhero gard and thus the patriarchy and leaning 429 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: in hard to the feminine. So Julie Newmar, who I 430 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: really I watched growing up and I'm not that old, 431 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: so I was, I was watching reruns. Just want to 432 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: put that out there before they think, come, it's okay 433 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: to be that old. I'm not that old. I want 434 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: to put that out there. Julie Newmar, who played Catwoman 435 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: in her first on screen appearance in the nineteen sixties, 436 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: wrote in a letter to The Huffing to Post every 437 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: girl is a cow woman. There will always be a catwoman. 438 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: Catwoman is forever, and her costume was perhaps the most 439 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: tame and the most kitten like. It was a black, 440 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: sparkly suit reminiscent of a courset around the waist, complete 441 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: with a gold belt, and of course cattiers Lee Mary 442 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: whether who was in the movie or pretty much the 443 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: same thing when she played her. And then there's a 444 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: the kit who took over from newmar Uh. She wore 445 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: the same thing but adjusted the placement of the necklace, 446 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: pulling it higher. And then of course there's Hallie Berry, 447 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: who played the titular character and Catwoman. She wore a 448 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: push up bra, leather gloves, whips, tight leather pants, and 449 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: as pretty much it's very dominatory Dominatrix. I have not 450 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: seen this film. I've seen parts of it, including the 451 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: infamous catnep scene, but I know it's about an addictive 452 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: beauty cream targeted towards women and playing on the fact 453 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: that all of these high beauty standards we placed on women, 454 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: so we probably would have a lot to say about it. 455 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: I also know Sharon Stone is the one behind the 456 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: beauty cream. People are like, don't be telling me Sharon 457 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: Stone is not hot, even if she's older, Okay, right, Yes, 458 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: she is beautiful and hot. And also this is the 459 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: one that won the Razzie. It is considered it was 460 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: considered one of the worst films ever created. But I 461 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: think also there was a conversation about it being really 462 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: heavy handed and it was trying way too hard. I mean, 463 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: one of the main characters was named Affiliate Powers. Affiliate 464 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Powers that's come on, y'all, we can do a little better. 465 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: But I guess it could be I was gonna say 466 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: it could be that we're just looking at a different 467 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: what lens, because all the other ones are fairly heavy 468 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: handed as well. Whether it's some kind of pun whether 469 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: some kind of like over the top whatever. But it 470 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: just yeah, it wasn't not a great movie. It made 471 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: me sad. So you've seen it. I've seen parts of it. Okay, 472 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: finish it, Okay, alright, just clar f. Just neither of 473 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: us have seen it, but from what we have seen, 474 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: it left someone to be let some things to be desired. Um. 475 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: And then Anne Hathaway's version, Um, this one. She was 476 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: meant to be the most functional. Her outfit was meant 477 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: to be the most functional. It's a black leather stealth 478 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: suit and the cat ears were the points of her 479 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: night vision fancy crime goggles. Her stilettos were weapons. I 480 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: think I've mentioned on the show before. I did used 481 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: to cosplay her, and sometimes I still do. And my 482 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: experience was everybody loved that costume, but they also love 483 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: telling me that they didn't like Anne Hathaway. Um. Poor an. Yeah, 484 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about that on this show before. Our people 485 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: just don't like Ann Hathaway because they see her as prissy. 486 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: She's vegan person nickitty, but really it seems me she 487 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: just knows what she wants well as Gonna saying Natalie 488 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: would would be the same. She's a vegan all of 489 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: those things, but she's not as disliked seemingly as Anne 490 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: Hathaway is. Maybe that's another perfect another episode. And then 491 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: we wanted to end with this for our discussion of Catwoman. 492 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: Glorias Dynham's review of The Dark Night and and Hathaway's 493 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: performance read I saw the Dark Knight Returns last night, 494 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: and among other things, Catwoman is a feminist superhero with 495 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: the storyline and transformation of her own plus class consciousness, 496 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: a girl buddy, equal skills with the Batman equipment, and 497 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: an apartment of her own in old Town and she 498 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: gets the guy. So yeah, that's that's kind of our 499 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: little kid. Uh. Batman returns chat Woman extra Christmas. We 500 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: do have a little bit more for your very brief 501 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: run through, but first we have a quick break for 502 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:54,239 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor and we're back. Thank you spots here, 503 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: and we're back a little bit with Iron Man three. Yes, 504 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna blaze through this of minutes as I've seen 505 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: this one too, and I'm not gonna lie. I have 506 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: a hard time I remembering all of this. Okay, Well, 507 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, all right. So we 508 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: opened on Blue by Il six five the years, Tony 509 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: Stark is about to bang a scientist named Maya Hanson 510 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: played by Rebecca Hall who has this plan all about 511 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: regenerating plants or something. Um. He stands up an awkward 512 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: all just Killian played by Guy Pierce uh And then yes, 513 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: we skipped to the present m c U timeline post 514 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: Avengers a symbol, and Tony has built a bunch of 515 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: Iron Man suits and it's Christmas time. One of the 516 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: first scenes is him trying on his new Iron Man 517 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: suit to jingle Bells kind of a sassy version of 518 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: jingle Bells um. And Tony is clearly distant and struggling 519 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: with maybe PTSD definitely anxiety attacks post New York City 520 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: and the Avengers um, which is impacting his relationship with 521 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: his wife, Pepper Pots. I didn't think so, but a 522 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: lot of places his significant other okay, because they didn't 523 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: get married until after the first that the wedding was 524 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: in the one You're right, so significant other why I 525 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 1: put that? Well, I put that originally, but then everywhere 526 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: I was reading said wife, and I was like, maybe 527 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: they got divorced and then got remarried anyway, whatever, Now 528 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: not so awkward and pretty handsome all Killian shows up 529 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: to meet Pepper and is very flirtatious with her. Uh. 530 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: Tony's head of security, suspicious, stumbles on mysterious plot gets 531 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: severely injured. At the same time, you have a string 532 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: of terrorist attacks orchestrated by a villain known as the Mandarin, 533 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: and this has the press clamoring after Tony Stark ok 534 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: iron Man asking him if he's going to do something 535 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: about it, and angry about what happened to his head 536 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: of security, Happy Start challenges the Mandarin on live TV, 537 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: gives away his home address, which I feel like it's 538 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: pretty obvious where he lives, but whatever, I guess it's 539 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: the challenge. I don't know. Uh So, when he arrives home, 540 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: Pepper is packing and also he has once again given 541 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: her a gift that she clearly doesn't want, a huge 542 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: rabbit custom made um. At this point, Maya shows up 543 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: at the door, and it's like, hey, I think my 544 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: boss works for the Mandarin And then all these missiles 545 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: start probably into their house, and Tony is able to 546 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: save Pepper and Maya Henson Rebecca Hall's character by putting 547 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: them in some of his Iron Man suits and blasting 548 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: them out. Uh. He manages to escape, but not before 549 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: his suit takes major damage and is pretty much nonfunctional 550 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: When he lands in the middle of nowhere in Tennessee. 551 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: As he's trying to repair a suit, he meets a 552 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: young boy who promises to help him secure some supplies 553 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: because everyone thinks Tony is dead. Um and then all right. 554 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: He finds out about this project called Extremists. Extremists that 555 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: Maya was working on with Killian that experimented on injured 556 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: soldiers to regenerate lost limbs or other injuries. But it 557 00:32:54,120 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: left these soldiers unstable, like I will explode spontaneously unstable. Uh. 558 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: Iron Man. He's like trying to figure out what he's 559 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: gonna do, how he's gonna save the day. He's on 560 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: the verge of a panic attack when the kid says, 561 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: build something. You build things, right, just go build something, 562 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: So he goes back to his roots um and As 563 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: this is happening, Pepper is captured by Maya, who was 564 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 1: working for Killian and is used in the extremest experiment um. 565 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,719 Speaker 1: Killian even tells her that she is a trophy when 566 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: she's strapped into this pot in a sports braw and 567 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: tight pants. Then Tony is captured after he discovers that 568 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: the Mandarin is just an English actor pretending to be 569 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: a terrorist. Um and this is a big twist in 570 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: the movie because he's a huge villain in the comics 571 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: UM Tony is. He attempts to break out, but then 572 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: uh Maya tries to save him when he fails, and 573 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: then Killian just shoots her instead of listening to her 574 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: because she's like, he won't be able to solve your 575 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: problems without me, I'm your side. Aientists and he just 576 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: kills her. Um And also the President has been captured, 577 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: and this all culminates in a battle between a superhuman 578 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: Killian and his Crony's Tony, his pal Iron Patriot played 579 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: by Don Cheetle, and a bunch of automated iron suits, 580 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: with the President and Pepper's lives hanging literally in balance. 581 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: The President is saved, but Pepper falls into a pit 582 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: of lava, seemingly to her death killing is about to 583 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: kill Tony, but then Pepper rises up from the death 584 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: of Hell metaphorically uh, and now as all temporarily superpowered, 585 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: she does some as kicking in like two minutes or less, 586 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: uh than they kick us together. Tony destroys his Iron 587 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: Man suits and removes his arch reactor. Day is saved. 588 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: It's complicated. Well, I think he just really wanted to 589 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: do a plantline Like I did this before I rewatched it, 590 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh boy, there's so many threads here. Um, alright, 591 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: so let's talk about action figures. Lets. You and I 592 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: had disgustioned and you were telling me a lot about this, 593 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: so as you talked to about In the Female Action 594 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: Figures episode, Rebecca Hall's character was originally meant to be 595 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: the main villain, but the director was pressured by Studio 596 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: Exacts that a female villain action figure wouldn't sell. And 597 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure those Guy Pierce action figures left off the shelf. 598 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: Right um and Marvel Entertainment CEO at the time, Permacter said, 599 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: there was an early draft of Ironman three where we 600 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: had an inkling of a problem, which is that we 601 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: had a female character who was the villain in the draft. 602 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: We had finished the script and we were given no 603 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: holes barred mimos saying that cannot stand. And we've changed 604 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: our minds because after consulting, we've decided that those toys 605 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: won't sell as well if it is female. So we 606 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: had to change the entire scriptes because of toymaking. Now 607 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: that's not Figy, that's Marvel Corporate. But now you don't 608 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: have the problem anymore. Yeah, So it was really frustrating 609 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people involved in the film. 610 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: I know, uh our down Jr. It was like, no, 611 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: you gotta give it more of a role and a 612 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: holiday accepted it on kind of a different which happens 613 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: a lot unfortunately, and especially to women unfortunately. Uh Yeah, 614 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: you can see her action figure episode from more on 615 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: that um. And then I also wanted to say an 616 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: interesting thing about Pepper pots As. While she spends most 617 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: of her time being damseled in this movie and every 618 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: other Iron Man um, although she is painted, is an 619 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: extremely business navvy, incompetent woman. According to some Internet so 620 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: she kills the most people. She kills more people than 621 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: Iron Man on screen, at least she kills Ironmonger and 622 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: Killian iron Man has only killed Ebony Ma on screen. Um. 623 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: And then yeah, I could come back and talk about 624 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: her character because she's painted is sort of a nag, 625 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: like she's never happy with Tony Prow. Yeah. Well that's 626 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: another thing is a lot of people can't separate her 627 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: from Gwenda Paltrow. Um, she is used to make Tony 628 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: feel jealous by the villain. She does spend most of 629 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: the movie distress. She's captured, tortured, and experimented on. It's 630 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: bait for Tony. And then there's a lot of talk 631 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: about fake feminism and how just because she got to 632 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: kick gas for two minutes or less that it's like 633 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: exacts or pointing to it. Look how feminist we are, 634 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: but it ignores everything else, which was kind of the 635 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: complaint for Endgame. Uh is it endgame or is it in? Yeah? Yeah, 636 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: what is wrong with you today? I've seen a lot 637 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: of movies, so with End Game where they have that 638 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: one giant scene but they're like, hey, look, women, it's 639 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: just so token. Yeah yeah, yeah for sure. Um. And 640 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: then Tony the character as well, I mean he's a womanizer. 641 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: He says a lot of things in the movie that 642 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: are not great. Um, there's like a beauty pageant that's 643 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: not explained. There's all these women in bikinis running around 644 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: such as things like that. Um, and then random trivia. 645 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know this. Robert Downey Jr. Got injured in 646 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: the middle of filming and was down for the count 647 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: for six weeks. And since they couldn't hold up production 648 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: for that long, the creators made up a completely digital 649 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: version of him for shot that didn't require dialogue our closeouts, 650 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: so you can try to find the fake Tony Stark 651 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: in there. Um. But yeah, that was just a quick 652 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: look at another superhero holiday movie. Just a minute, you 653 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: just want to talk about the m c U. I did, 654 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: I did, And we do have a tiny, tiny bit 655 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: more about the m c U. But first one more 656 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back, 657 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor, And we're back with a special mention 658 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: Spider Verse. Spider Man into the Spider Verse. So y'all, 659 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I really, I'm gonna live stream you know, 660 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: reaction the joy I feel watching that movie. It's exhilarating. 661 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: It makes my face hurt. It's like you're watching it 662 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: for the first time, the shock that you go through 663 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: with the whole time. Um. And yes, I was this 664 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: is the movie I chose for a movie rust the 665 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: podcast fire Friend Chuck um. And eventually he had the 666 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: He was like, Andy, we've got to stop talking. But 667 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: I haven't told you about the other things. The frame rate. 668 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: Let me talk more about the frame rate. Um. But 669 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: I did want to mention it because it's one of 670 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all time, and it takes place 671 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: at Christmas. Um. If you remember, Chris Pines o G 672 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: Spider Man is featured on a holiday album in the movie, 673 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: and the cast actually recorded several holiday songs that you 674 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: can listen to and by if you want, um, including 675 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: Spiky it's cold outside, swinging around the Mistletoe, Silent Night, 676 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: You're welcome, joy to the world that I just saved, 677 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: Spidy the Snowman is beginning to look a lot like 678 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: a non denominational holiday. Yeah. I think the only part 679 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: that I realized it was holiday was because that song 680 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: randomly comes on in the security guards room and that's it. Yeah, 681 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: but it's a holiday. There's snow, there's Christmas trees. If 682 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: you look, Um, it's diverse, It's gorgeous. It has fleshed 683 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: out female bad as vulnerable characters like Spider, Gwyn Penny Parker, 684 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: Aunt May Doc what a great villain? So Phil Lord 685 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: and Christopher Miller's goal for the film inspire young people 686 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: to become heroes, inspire grown ups to help them do it, 687 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: and remind us all that you don't need to be 688 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: bitten by radio active Spider to do your part. You 689 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: are powerful and we are counting on you. Yes, I'm 690 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: pointing to Annie right now. I want does say not 691 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: you necessarily probably beta work speaking No, no, no, no, 692 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: they're counting on you necessarily. Um. But yeah, that's just 693 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: what we wanted to say about some less traditional holiday. Yeah, 694 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: so there you go. Are not so Christmas Christmas movies, 695 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: which is the way I like it. I will tell 696 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: you once again, I do do a lot of Like 697 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: I said, do do a lot of horror movies during 698 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: this time because I do not like not a fan 699 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: of the season. I'm not. I'm not trying to be 700 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: uh a grinch, but you know, you have to cope 701 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: with things the way you can cope with it. So 702 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: let us know you're not so Christmas. See Christmas movie recommendations. 703 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: And I would also consider die Hard, which I know 704 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: has been a debate action movie that takes place at Christmas. Yes, 705 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of the Harry Potters as Christmas movies 706 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, we watched you know, definitely a little 707 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: bit the first The first two are the ones that 708 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: I would consideras Happy Christmas. Harry, Yeah, I think he 709 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 1: does it is Christmas at one point in definitely one though, 710 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: is it? Ye, when he goes to visit That's right, 711 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: That's right. So yeah, let us know your recommendations because 712 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: I would love to know more and to watch more 713 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: movies that are not Yes, the Netflix movies that I'm seeing, 714 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to watch those, Yes, And 715 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: let us know what we should do for our next 716 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: feminist movie Friday. And also if you have any feminist 717 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: movie thoughts. I know we moved through those partiquately, but 718 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: so if you have any thoughts about them that we 719 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: missed it, we would love to hear them. You can 720 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: email us at Stuff Media, Mom Stuff at iHeart media 721 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Instagram at Stuff 722 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: I've Never Told You and on Twitter at mom'sff Podcast. 723 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer, Andrew Howard. Thanks 724 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: to you for listening. Steph, I'm Never Told You's a 725 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works. 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