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Speaker 1: hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for

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Speaker 1: every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer. Okay, Rosemary,

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Speaker 1: tell me where where did we just spend the last

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Speaker 1: two weeks? Alaska? Okay? What were we doing? We were fishing? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Did you know that? In um? Did you know that?

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Speaker 1: In the book? Like the book I most recently had

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Speaker 1: come out, which is called Outdoor Kids in an Inside World,

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Speaker 1: I write a lot about how you kids like to

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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time flipping rocks over? Can you

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Speaker 1: and your own words? Would you mind explaining to me

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Speaker 1: flipping rocks over on the shoreline because there's sculpting under

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Speaker 1: guys like to do with those? Like tell some of

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Speaker 1: your favorite ways, like tell well, first off, how big

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Speaker 1: about as long as your finger, Yeah, bigger than that,

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Speaker 1: bigger than your fingers. And then when you cook them up,

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Speaker 1: a fire? And then why are you guys you smash

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Speaker 1: them with rocks? What's what's that about? To kill to

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Speaker 1: don't that you just find and then look at and

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Speaker 1: you find many of those little eels? Those gunwalfish? How

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Speaker 1: many years have you been flipping rocks over at that place? Well?

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Speaker 1: What when's the first time that I ever came here?

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Speaker 1: those rocks never change? Those rocks never change. You feel

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Speaker 1: how much to what degree do you would you go

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Speaker 1: Do you got like a Grizzly report and a Wolf report? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Orange hat. Yeah, I'd be fine with that orange hat

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00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: during big game, big game rifle orange hat down. And

427
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to have the feds up like I

428
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: don't want to have I don't want to take that approach.

429
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: What I want to do is come up with a

430
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: case so compelling that the states willfully adopt it because

431
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: they're like, no, there's an idea. Yeah, be a hard

432
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: experiment to run. I think I talked about this, but

433
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: my kid got a costed ice fishing by a guy

434
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: who is mad at him because his dad thinks you

435
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: should be able to hunt yellowstone. I'd like to find

436
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: that guy beat as well as little took us. Uh

437
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: So if that's you, let me know. Um, in the

438
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: end it will be of the Wyoming corner crossers. It

439
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: will have required It doesn't sound that it's like depends

440
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: on how you look at it doesn't sound that bad.

441
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: In the end, it will be that it costs. So

442
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: the three Wyoming corner crossers, um they're legal defense will

443
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: have been about twenty six and a half thousand per hunter. Yeah. Meanwhile,

444
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: the taxpayers of Carbon County, Wyoming have footed the other

445
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: side of the bill over something that they probably aren't

446
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: that worked up about four on behalf of a out

447
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: of state landowner. You know what we should do? You

448
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: know that show law and Order. We should have a

449
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: media produced version of lade Order. This would be make

450
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: a good movie. That's a good idea. You could do

451
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: poaching cases and those of your end shootout du dunt

452
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: dunt and that that the song. No it's not, it's

453
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: like courtroom drama. Drama. Phil will just take that record

454
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, I already got d so big, big heads

455
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: up on that man as much as people can do.

456
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm gonna like, did you make

457
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: a note to go tell cal that we gotta you know,

458
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: I actually already just emailed the both of you, not yet,

459
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean I literally sent it one minute after you

460
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: first said it or less. I'll put uh this do

461
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: you read this out out? Well, read it first, then

462
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: read it out loud. You'd like it if he says

463
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: hello from his iPhone, I'm not opposed to that would

464
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: be well w fit to get the ball rolling. There

465
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: you go, see job cry, it's great producing live on

466
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: the air. Wildfire season just starting now, and holy cow, man,

467
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to discuss the two bits of Alaska news.

468
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Um three million acres in Alaska. You know, when you're

469
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: trying to describe how big something is, you always like

470
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: you always talk about how it compares the Connecticut or

471
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: Rhode Island or something. I get a little bit burned

472
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: out on that. But they've burned an area the size

473
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: of Connecticut. If you look at a map of everything

474
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: in Alaska, it's on fire. Is They have fires from

475
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: everywhere from the from if you imagine the Brooks Range line, Okay,

476
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: from from west to east and down. The whole state

477
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: is dotted with fires. Even one out in the Allusians Aways.

478
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Southeast Alaska full of fires. Oh my goodness, that little island,

479
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: holy ship. Them fires like a couple of days ago,

480
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: massive my uh my bro Danny was going taking his

481
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: boat to go mushroom hunting, had a different fire and

482
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: had to cancel because of new fires. New fires were

483
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: keeping him fro getting to the old fire, just cranking.

484
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I never like picture Alaska burning that much.

485
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: I was one time hunting um on the north slope

486
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: of the Brooks Range and we were hunting cariboo, and

487
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: way off you can see this tundra fire. Oh really,

488
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, And it was cold as ship. It was

489
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: October snow ice. And one day we walked over and

490
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: you can just stand next to the slowly moving tundra fire.

491
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: It won't go out till the snow puts it out.

492
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: You know, you can stand there and warm up real good,

493
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: but you have to walk a mile and a half

494
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: to get there. But you can walk a mile and

495
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: a half over there, away from camp, away from the river,

496
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: and go get warmed up as you wanted to be

497
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: at the tuns of fire, and then come back to

498
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: where we were camped on a graph bar and freeze

499
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: your ass. It's like a mile and a half, you know,

500
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: a mile and a half to walk over there and

501
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: get your hands warmed up. Yeah, every time I'm up there,

502
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: it's just like raining, So it's kind of hard to

503
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: One of the things that's driving a lot of that

504
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: fire is the beetle kill. Oh yeah, right, so they

505
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: had like the whole like you know, the Keynai Peninsula

506
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: was almost like denuded of of of spruce, right, and

507
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: so in a lot of places the fires are that

508
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: beetle killed cooking off. Yeah, that's what led to a

509
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: lot of Did you notice going fires in Colorado too?

510
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: Did you know, going in to catch can um, a

511
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: lot of their hillsides are turning brown? Nope, I as

512
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: advanced what he thought it was. He wasn't sure. He

513
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: said it might be from light snowpack the Oh really yeah,

514
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: apparently the cold temps will um freeze the roots. Got it.

515
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: I guess the snowpack help prevents that. I don't know.

516
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: That's just I don't know for sure. But in all fairness,

517
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Alaska burned. So here's the other years that Alaska on

518
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: record has burned three million acres. Like I had a

519
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: three million acre fire season. Now the weird thing is

520
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: fire season just getting going right, So they're already at

521
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: three millions. They burned three million in two thousand five,

522
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: they burned three million in two thousand four, they burned

523
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: three million in nineteen sixty nine, nine fifty seven, in

524
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty and that's when accurate accounting of acres began.

525
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: So it's not like unprecedented, it's not unknown, but things

526
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: are just getting started. A lot of fire burning. Oh

527
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: here's a good transition. You don't even build this in

528
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: the size of Connecticut has burned. The other day, we

529
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: were talking about Connecticut and we're saying, what do they call?

530
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: You just wrote that in the script. You didn't say

531
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: how here's a cool transition, says speaking of Connecticut. A

532
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: few so a few episodes ago, we covered off on

533
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: Mountain Lions in Connecticut, and someone wrote in about truthers

534
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: and deniers, and we're talking about connecticutors or whatever they

535
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: call them. Two people wrote connecticutens. Two people wrote in

536
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: to say that what they're called is nutmegers. That settles it.

537
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: There's apparently there was a problem in Connecticut once upon

538
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: a time where you take a little chunk of would

539
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: and carve yourself a fake nutmeg for what reason, so

540
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: then pawn it off on some unsuspecting person. And they

541
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: actually had to ban the practice of whitland fake nutmegs

542
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: to sell to people, and they're called nutmeggers. My old man,

543
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: here's a hot tip for you. My old man in

544
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: World War two, he was for a while, he was

545
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: stationed in North Africa, and he said, they made a

546
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of money smuggling. Nope, you get a carton of smokes. Story,

547
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: you get a carton of smokes. Uh. The locals we're

548
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: dying for American cigarettes. Loved American cigarettes. So my dad

549
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: would say, you get a carton of smokes, and you'd

550
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: pack it full of sawdust and then you'd put two

551
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: real packs on the end. And then when you stopped

552
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: on the trains, never being transported. You'd hold the cart

553
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: and out the window and haggle over the price. And

554
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: you'd haggle over the price of the carton cigarettes until

555
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: the train was ready to start moving, at which point

556
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: in time the deal would be finalized. You would then

557
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: hand them though sawdust packed carton smokes and take the money.

558
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: And then you were like a bad person. He became

559
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: a but he I don't know how he justified it,

560
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: but he would tell that story like he's quite proud

561
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: of himself. Just a swindler. Ah, yeah, Nutmegger's um which

562
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: is also apparently a soccer move. What's the move you're asking, Steve? Yeah,

563
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: if he knows, if he if he knows that it's

564
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: a or is that from the email? He goes on

565
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: to say, I would note that nutmeg not only refers

566
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: to the aromatic spice, but can refer to the act

567
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: of passing a soccer ball between an opponent's legs to

568
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: a team eight or oneself. I just found out my

569
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: kid's gonna play soccer in the fall. A little bumped

570
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: your falls over. Uh, you know the cam? How do

571
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: you pronounce that peninsula? Ive never been there. I'd like

572
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: to go there. Cam chaka, cam chacta. I think it's that. Yeah,

573
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: cam chacka cam choco. There's a there's a vodka. Call that.

574
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: Russia's Alaska. A Russia's Alaska. It's a peninsula the size

575
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: of California has like steelhead runs. I know that they got. Yeah,

576
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: they got steelhead runs. They got like great hunting, moose hunting,

577
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: brown bear hunting. Uh A helicopter. This was interesting. This

578
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: was interesting because we just had it. We recently did

579
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: an episode with a biathlete helicopter being flown by a

580
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: well known Russian biathlete. I goor Melanovsky. You think it's Igor.

581
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: Gotta be Igor? Or let's not like speaking? Little dead

582
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: Igor Malinovski was flying with a couple of business men,

583
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: one named Zoya and one named Sergey. July Sergey, how

584
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: did you ask him? No, that's how you pronounced those names,

585
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: Sara and Igor. Helicopter crash and then they found This

586
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: is the crazy part. They found the bodies way far away,

587
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: consumed by bears. The bears drugged the bodies out of

588
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: the helicopter, mold him and consumed him far away. Do

589
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: we know that they were alive when the bears found.

590
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: That's my question. It says it was seen to be

591
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: a fiery crash. It is. Here's this is a quote.

592
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: It is believed the corpses we're dragged away mald and

593
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: eaten by wild bears that populate the region. One of

594
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: the highest densities of brown bears on Earth on that peninsula,

595
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: and estimated ten thousand to fourteen thousand bears live in

596
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: the peninsula. So that's about the population estimate for brown

597
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: bears and grizzly bears and all of Alaska. And they're

598
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: placing that on a California sized chunker ground, way more

599
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: than Western United States. That's nuts. You know, that suck

600
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: to survive that that crash and then get mauled by bears,

601
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: would be stuck there in mobile out of the helicopter.

602
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: You're like, who survived that? One big bear comes And

603
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: that's the kind of story I wouldn't put in close calls. Hey,

604
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: count you couldn't do it. I asked Paul Schommer, our guest,

605
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: and he was on episode three seven a Gold Medal podcast,

606
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: if he knew Igor and he said he did know

607
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: him personally, He definitely knew of him. And then he

608
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: said that the situation is classic Russia. You can't just

609
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: be a helicopter crash. You had to involve a bear

610
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: as well. So it's like the one thing that will

611
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: maybe more classic is involved bottle of vodka. Yeah. Maybe

612
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: we're not sure if bottle was recovered from the scene

613
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: or not. Okay, Brody hit us with hit us with um.

614
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: The latest Grizzly report, the latest this was bound to happen,

615
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: report happen Grizzly report. If you're not familiar, there's a

616
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: very famous grizzly bear in the Jackson, Wyoming area Grand

617
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: Tita National Park area bear three books written about it.

618
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: Who's that photographer that made her famous? Mangelsson. He's one

619
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: of the guys that applied for member. They had to

620
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: draw for grizzly bear tags. He drew and then wasn't

621
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: going to use his tag. Oh he was trying to

622
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: draw it and throw it into the garbage if you want. Anyway,

623
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: he was real worried about this bear getting shot. Um.

624
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: These bears h are constantly in contact with humans in

625
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: the Jackson area. UM roads get closed down for them

626
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: when they're in neighborhoods. Things like that, and uh, what

627
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: data this take place on a couple of weeks ago.

628
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: It looks like, um, so mid July one, she had

629
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Speaker 1: four cubs that she basically they're they're raised to adulthood,

630
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: there would be adults. She's going to get rid of

631
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: them this year. So two years old, I'm guessing. Um,

632
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: and one of the cubs, a male, was killed by

633
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: fish and game officials. Fort recorded conflicts human human bear

634
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: conflicts and they finally had to kill that bear too

635
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: keep people safe. Basically are people having a total connection

636
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: about it. Um, it's incredibly unfortunate. Photographer, author, and bear

637
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: advocate Tom Mangelsson said the latest incident. Um, I'm sure

638
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: down there, but but that's the reality. Like, I think

639
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize how many grizzlies across

640
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: the Western United States end up being you know, they

641
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: like to say euthanized by fish and game officials. I

642
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: mean it's probably I have no idea dozens and dozens

643
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: of bears end up getting shot by fishing game officials.

644
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: So I'm sure people are working over a course of time, yeah, yeah,

645
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: but yeah, a bunch of years. Ye yep. So, and

646
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: this one seems like it was it was just bound

647
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: to happen um fishing game officials fishing Wildlife Service officials

648
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: say they continue to ask for the help of residents

649
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: and visitors to secure attractants around homes, rental properties, and businesses.

650
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: The actions of those living and visiting bear visiting grizzly

651
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: bear country main vital. So it's like, you know, typical stuff.

652
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: It's a a fed bear is a dead bear kind

653
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: of thing. Moving on down to a uh. Someone wrote

654
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: and needed advice on an ethics issue. This is this

655
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: is the thorn. This is a thorny one because it

656
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: it becomes likely it's like one of those places where

657
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: legal and more like legality and morality collide. Do you

658
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: feel like it's not an easy answer for you. No,

659
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: it's not easy. When I read this, I thought maybe

660
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: for some people it would be well, like I said,

661
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: it's morality and legality and and and I'll get it.

662
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: I'll get into I'll get into it a little bit.

663
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: This guy says, I have a question for the consideration

664
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: of the podcast brain Trust in shore. If you encounter

665
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: a wounded animal of your target species, so that's important,

666
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: a wounded animal of your target species while hunting, what

667
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: would you do harvest it, or let it walk away

668
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: and wait for a healthier alternative. I'll tell you I've

669
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: done every variation um in the in the not so

670
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: distant past, I have, and I wouldn't now because I'm

671
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: just more I when when I felt there was a

672
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: moral issue that collided with a legal issue, I would

673
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: go on the moral issue side. That's what I would

674
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: generally have done in the past. I have in my

675
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: day killed two mangled up deer wild deer hunting that

676
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: I did not tag. Mangled up meaning shot by hunters

677
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: and wounded. One had been shot and lost, and one

678
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: had been hamstrung by coyotes and somehow made probably maybe

679
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: in the water, made it out to a little teeny island.

680
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: And I found it on this little teeny island mostly dead,

681
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: but not all the way dead. Mostly dead. So my

682
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: thinking was, um, it's gonna die, It's gonna be here dead, uh,

683
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: And I shot it left it. Another time, I was

684
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm sitting in this bottom of this

685
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: coolie like more like a like a tight little box

686
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: canny thing, and down comes a deer with her back

687
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: ham shot out a lot of exposed meat, exposed bone,

688
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: all packed with dirt. It didn't happen, just like minutes

689
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: those days days old. Also, no way, shape or form

690
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: was it gonna live. I shot that dear so so

691
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: I didn't take the first one. I just shot and

692
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: left it. I shot that dear and cross the line

693
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: because I ate a backstrap off it, but did not

694
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: we ate a backstrap. That night, I shot a wounded

695
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: meal with their buck once and tagged it. You did it,

696
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: I did, and I've and I've done that. We even

697
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: did an episode I was hunning. Cused you one time

698
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: and shot a wounded couised your buck and then met

699
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: the guy that had shot it was He was still

700
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: up looking for it, but he was as glad that

701
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: I got it and I kept it. I tagged it

702
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: because he had shot it three days pride. I think

703
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people like take this stance that morally

704
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: they're obligated to do it because they assumed the animals

705
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: gonna die this horrible death. But deer can survive some

706
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: pretty brutal stuff like there. When back when I lived

707
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, there was a dough that was all had

708
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: been shot on one of her front legs, and for

709
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: years and years she was in the same field, you know,

710
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: across the street from my friend's house. They called her,

711
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: of course tripod. But like that deer got shot in

712
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: the leg and lived for years, And you know, I

713
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: think people just assumed they're going to die this horrible death,

714
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, and the incidences on top about maybe it's

715
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: more I'm not thinking of it wasn't gonna live. Now

716
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: I did it, and it's like I did that. You

717
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: can't do that if you could kill it and tag

718
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: and if you have a vale, tag, but you can't

719
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: do it. Now, my thinking evolved on it, for like,

720
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: if I was in a similar sitution, right situation, right now,

721
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: Here's why I wouldn't. I wouldn't because one like I

722
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: might not totally agree with the law, but I understand

723
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: why it's there, and I don't want to sort of

724
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: like take on. I don't want to sort of like

725
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: challenge the whole the foundation of the regulatory structure by

726
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: saying if you don't agree with it, it doesn't matter. Yeah.

727
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: The second thing is is you'd be like if you

728
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: see what it's been shot by a gun, you'd be like,

729
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: well that's not natural, right, or like humans did that.

730
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: Humans should finish the job. But then you're sort of

731
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: saying that, like like hunting, the hunting the species is unnatural, right,

732
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: just as Kyle's might chew it up and it gets away,

733
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: a hunter might shoot and it gets away. Um, so

734
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: now I wouldn't. But but but to be clear, the

735
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: primary reason that wouldn't I wouldn't want to. I don't

736
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: want to like get fined and getting all kinds of

737
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: trouble for doing it. Yeah, just keep it. And it's

738
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: just like no, it's like not, it's not worth it

739
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: enough to me. And I get why they have it,

740
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: because it's like you're trying to limit Um, you know,

741
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: there's not a ton of room and that when it

742
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to like the tagging process and the

743
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: regulatory structures and tag allocations, there's not it's not built

744
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,479
Speaker 1: in for a lot of like personal decision making. Yeah,

745
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: it's I mean you've got to follow some pretty clear

746
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: cut rules that are already confused. I mean they're clear cut,

747
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: but they can be confusing as of what you're allowed

748
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: and what you're not allowed to do. And if you

749
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: don't shoot one, you know you're not going to get

750
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: in trouble for anything. You can always call your State

751
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: Game Agency, if you have a cell if you have

752
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: a cell synal. I've heard still words of um guys

753
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: calling gay warns about that kind of stuff, and they say,

754
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: you can dispatch it. I'll be there, like make sure

755
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: you're there when I get there. But like sometimes they'll

756
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: give you permission to do that. That will happen a

757
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: lot with road kill or you know, deer that are

758
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: injured by car, someone would give you permission to put

759
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: it down. The one that i've so, I've accidentally shot

760
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: wounded stuff right into his wounded and later found out

761
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: I was wounded. You killed a bard had been wounded.

762
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: You know, I was wounded the deer I shot. I

763
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: knew it was wounded, but I knew it wasn't wounded

764
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: that bad. Like that deer would have survived. They had

765
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: been hit in the ankle bone and shattered its ankle bone.

766
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: But he was getting around pretty good. I could see

767
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: he had a weird little limp right and I and

768
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: I got him, like like realistically, I probably wouldn't have

769
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: got him if he hadn't been injured, because he's just

770
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of doing a weird thing. He's like crossing a

771
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: hillside of a weird time. Everything about it just seemed

772
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: like a little off, like why he was where he

773
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: was when he was, you know, it just seemed off.

774
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: But I could see he had a little limp. I

775
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was like out there was like, oh,

776
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: he'd been shot. And then not long after I butchered it,

777
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: here's a guy on a hill coming down my way

778
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: and he's had spent days looking for it. To his credit,

779
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: and he didn't try to contest my putting my tag

780
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: on it. He was happy as hell. He just wanted

781
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: to know it and finally put it, put it to rest.

782
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: But that deer was totally fine, like ate the whole deer,

783
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: no problem. One of the things you get into, like

784
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: these other deer on top about There's no way I

785
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: would have, like I ate a backstrap off one. If

786
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: I had to do it and then just put my

787
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: tag on it, I wouldn't have done it because I

788
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't wanted all that compromised. I wouldn't want all that

789
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: compromise me in exchange for what I could get, which

790
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: would have been like something better. And I'll point out

791
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: both the ones I'm talking about were does. But I

792
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: was in illegal dough area. Anyways. Yeah, I think it

793
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: just comes down to personal decision, and there's no right

794
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: or wrong right. If you want to burn your tag

795
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: on it, go for it. If you don't, you're not

796
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: obligated to. Oh here's another one of these narratives, little stories.

797
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: I was sitting there with Yannie one time in Colorado,

798
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: you remember this, and I catch a lifetime. I catch

799
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: a glimpse of Buck coming and all I see is

800
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: he's got antlers hanging down around his jaw. As I'm

801
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: looking through the brush, he's way off, but here's a deer.

802
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I look, and I could see antlers around his jaw,

803
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, if he's got that, I mean the

804
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: antlers around his jaw, imagine how many he's got on

805
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: top of his head. So I said, holy ship, buck

806
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,479
Speaker 1: of a lifetime, only to realize it was a little

807
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: dinky buck who just got hit by a cart. His

808
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: head gear and his skull cracked, and his antlers hanging

809
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: down around his jaw, and he had nothing up top.

810
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: Yanni never Yanni still teaches me about and have a

811
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: buck of a lifetime. But we tried to go after

812
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: him and get get him, and he gave us a slip,

813
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: but he I don't know what was gonna happen to him.

814
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: A lot of times those that happened, those type of injuries,

815
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: they survive. That's yeah, that's the final bit for this

816
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: for this listener's right. And then it is like the

817
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: final bit to consider is they can live through some crazy,

818
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. They can live through stuff you would never

819
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: live through. I remember going to a deer process when

820
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: I was a kid in Baldwin, Michigan, and this guy

821
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: had not a coffee can. He had coffee cans full

822
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: of broadheads that he'd pulled out of here. Yeah, I

823
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: shot a bull one time that had a bullet lodge

824
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: in it, like in his backstrap right next to the spine.

825
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: And I mean it had to have been years ago. Yeah,

826
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: I had that elk verde bro that's healed around a problem.

827
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: There's no way that that wasn't limping for some period

828
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: of time after that happened. And some guy could have

829
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: been like I should put them under. Well, that bull

830
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: went on to live, So I'd put it this way.

831
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: Remember a long time ago and we covered the saying

832
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: where Florida was doing a mortality study on deer and

833
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: they were trying to advise hunters how to how to

834
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: there they were advising hunters on how to behave toward

835
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: deer that they're wearing a GPS collar, and they're saying,

836
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: don't shoot it because it has a GEP This is

837
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: They're like, this is a mortality study. We're trying to

838
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: study what kills dear, including hunters, and they're saying to people,

839
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: don't shoot it because it has a GPS collar. But

840
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: then don't not shoot it because it has a GPS collar.

841
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: They're like, try if you can to do what you

842
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: would normally do when you see a deer with a

843
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: GPS collar, because they're trying to find out like what

844
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: actually kills dear. So my advice on wounded stuff would

845
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: probably be if it's like you really want it and

846
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: it's wounded, go for it, but don't feel obligated to

847
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: do it. Here's another one, right for another one says

848
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: I sure could use your help in solving a marital issue.

849
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: My wife thinks I'm dumb. I don't know's right any

850
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: more information. He goes on, Oh, this is good for

851
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: you Pennsylvania boys. Growing up hunting in central Pennsylvania, I've

852
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: grown accustomed to referring to animals with the same singular

853
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: and plural name. Sure, because in many cases you should

854
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: one dear too, dear right that dear those dear Yeah,

855
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: one bear, two bears, bear says really, so he says,

856
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: he goes that, He says this one dear too, dear,

857
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: one bear to bear, one dove, many dove, et cetera.

858
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: I like to think that I'm consistent. Squirrel, rabbit, turkey, fish,

859
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: you name it. He goes to the same program. In

860
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, if it's multiple animals of one species, the

861
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: logical thing to do is to refer to them with

862
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: the same singular and plural word. Now he goes on.

863
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: My wife whole hardly disagrees with me, and has taken

864
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: to polling friends and family alike on this particular issue.

865
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: The bear versus bears conundrum has become somewhat of a

866
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: de facto party game at this point, and are ever

867
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: expanding sample size. One thing seems clear, no one has

868
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: the answer and everyone's usage is different. So in your

869
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: expert opinions, what is correct? Please tell my wife. I'm

870
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: not dumb. Thanks Dan, How with your wife? I don't

871
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: think it's like it's like it's not one thing or another. Well, no,

872
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: there's no consistency. I think it's a usage thing. I

873
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: would never say. I know guys growing up, they'd say

874
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: I saw a two buck totally. Yeah, it's like very

875
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: much like I don't know if it's regional or time

876
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 1: or ended, but yeah there it's like a way people

877
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: talking this fella Dan and I grew up in the

878
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: same county. Probably how do you know that, Well, he says,

879
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: central Pennsylvania with Helva County, Center count Center County Pennsylvanians. Oh,

880
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: that's about as central as it gains. Everyone talks like

881
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: he does. Yeah, they saw two buck. I don't think

882
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: that's right, Like like I know people do it. I

883
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: think it would be I saw. I would never say

884
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: I saw two deers. Right from a grammar teacher's perspective,

885
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: I saw one, I saw one deer, I saw a

886
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: couple dear. I would say that I saw two deer.

887
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: I saw two deers. Yeah, I would say I saw

888
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: I saw one deer, I saw two deer, I saw

889
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: a couple of deer. I would then go on to

890
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: say I saw one bear, I saw a couple of bears,

891
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: I saw two bears. I saw two bucks, I saw

892
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: two doughs, but I only saw one deer. I saw

893
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: three deer. Two of them were doughs. Or you caught

894
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: one perch, or you caught a mess of perch not purchasing.

895
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: We used to joke about that, I'd like to return

896
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: this purchase when you caught a perch you didn't want. Uh. Yeah.

897
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: In central Pennsylvania, it's common to be like Salk saw

898
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: a few buck today a couple of dolls. Is there

899
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: actually an answer? I think it's just like like I said,

900
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: it's it's grammatically Yeah, I think there is. But regionally

901
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: they'd be like, go to hell. This is how we talk.

902
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I wish I could give the rule. I

903
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: think that if you went to like Harold Bloom, is

904
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: he dead? I'm not sure. Okay, you went to Nome Chomsky,

905
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: who's actually trained as a linguist before he became an activist.

906
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: You went to Harold Bloom and Noam Chomsky, we are

907
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: both dead. No, did Nome Chomsky pass away? Either way?

908
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: You go to a linguist, he's hanging on it. You

909
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: go to a linguist for Harold Bloom over Noam Chomsky, No,

910
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: Chomsky is a conspiracy theorist. Did you know that he's

911
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: still alive? Like he's like a big critic of American

912
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: exceptionalism and all that. That's different from I'm not going

913
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: to go to him. I'll go to Harald Bloom. Uh.

914
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: And when you asked them, I think they're going to

915
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: tell you that it's it's it's that you saw one deer,

916
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: you saw two deer, you saw one bear, you saw

917
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: two bears. But then again, there's a picture of you know,

918
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of crabs on the wall, and you could say,

919
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of crab in that bucket, a

920
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: lot of crab. You can say that a lot of crab. Yeah,

921
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: it's not a good back. That's a lot of shrimps. No,

922
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know, Forrest Gump. Might you know what can

923
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: you can? You contact the linguist at some local university

924
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: or something to find out, Yeah, record them giving the answer. Uh,

925
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: contact someone from penn State, you know her seasons Central Pennsylvania.

926
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: Do that if you can contact the linguist or a

927
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: handful of them and record them saying what they think.

928
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: Why what I'm saying is true? Is true? I guess

929
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: who was born in Pennsylvania. Uh. One of my favorite

930
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: quotes from my friend Matt is uh, I'm giving us

931
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: for listeners so they can use it too. Someone explains

932
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: something to my friend Matt and he said, I don't

933
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: know why that's not true, but that's not true, which

934
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: I use all the time because it feels like there's

935
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: no way that's true. I like, I haven't looked it

936
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: up for anything, but there's no way that's true. So

937
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: we could probably say this guy is not dumb, but

938
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: he's not right either. Devid don't think he's dumb. Okay,

939
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: we gotta give him. We gotta give him an answer.

940
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: Far as I know his whife's dumb, he's the one

941
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: that wrote it, and he wrote a well worded thing.

942
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: Think it's a matter of dumbness. I think it's a

943
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: matter of rightness. Mm hmm, Mike, But she went dumber

944
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: and stump. I don't know. She hasn't written a letter

945
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: in you're going to get one after that. Oh, speaking

946
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: of grammar, Uh, I don't know. I haven't seen one yet.

947
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: Like literally, Sam James just told me they're live like

948
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: they hit today. Do you guys remember when a guy

949
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: wrote in and we had a good laugh because he

950
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: wrote in a letter about it was like basically like

951
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: sexual violence among turkeys, and it was a long letter

952
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 1: that was all one sentence, and Mark Kenyon said, Mark

953
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: Kenyon was in the studio and Mark said, you ought

954
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: to put that on a shirt. And that's what we did.

955
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: My new favorite shirt inspired by episode three story slash

956
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: sentence gets a little dark, doesn't all. It's violent. It's

957
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: dark and violent. It's a one sentence story still in stock.

958
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: It's one thing, never ending sentence about sexual violence among turkeys.

959
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: Maybe the best one sentence story ever. It involves necrophilia.

960
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: Do you send that fella? So we've published his it's

961
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: necro it's everything you don't want your kids to get

962
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: involved when they grow up, all on one T shirt.

963
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: We published like the whole his whole letter in a

964
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: very small script on a shirt which is called the

965
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: Turkey Letter T Shirts Letter T shirt, the most kind

966
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: of horrifying letter we've ever gotten published on a T

967
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: shirt in very small letters. But if you look carefully

968
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: with if you get a little reading glass or like

969
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: a little magnifier, get real close to it, you'll be

970
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: able to read a story that is will curl your hair. Yeah,

971
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: if you go on the website, you can zoom into

972
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: it and see it. Can you read the story of

973
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: you zoom in on the website? You can? This is

974
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: just like a screen grab. Yeah, dude, I'm gonna live

975
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: in it. Shirture having a shirt with a lot of

976
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: writing that no one will ever know what it is,

977
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: literally no pictures. Stephen, I had this argument, Hunter Hunter,

978
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: like Drew this really awesome, A little like small Turkey

979
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: car too, like the eyes. I think just the text

980
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: is better. Want to just the text? What I really

981
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: would be cool if it was on the front and

982
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: the back because then someone behind you on the plane

983
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 1: because you need to read the story. I'm not gonna

984
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: think you're some kind of weird stick you want to

985
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: limit who? You want to limit who actually gets to

986
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: read the shirt, and when it's up front, you can

987
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: monitor what's going you. Please stand still for five minutes

988
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: so I can read your shoe. If you're just blast

989
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: through the grocery store, people are gonna be like, my god,

990
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: I just caught a sentence of holy cow right now.

991
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: It's alarming. Great t shirt The Turkey letter t shirt

992
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: at the mediator dot com Oh, you can read the

993
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: whole Yeah, they're not, they're not. We got it, We

994
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: got yeah. Yeah, dude gonna live in that shirt. But seriously,

995
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: everyone can read that passage if they just put their

996
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: little mouse over the paragraph, I can read the whole thing. Wow,

997
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: you should sound magnifying glass and it comes with a

998
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: stick so you can beat off people trying to read

999
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: your T shirt. Oh, Kelsey, here's the thing I gotta

1000
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: ask you before we get into your your last experiences.

1001
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: Um half a finger wrote us a letter you donated.

1002
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: Just tell you tell the story, um, Jim. Actually, I

1003
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: had no idea that this was a thing until he

1004
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: pitched it to me. But the Western Association of Fish

1005
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: and Wildlife Agencies, I think they have a think I

1006
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: spoke to that or one time. Did you They have

1007
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: a yearly get together. I think I think Oklahoma City.

1008
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: Well maybe it moves every year. I'm not sure. But

1009
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: this year was in Oklahoma City and they had an

1010
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: art show as part of the event, and it was

1011
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: a juried art show where people would send in UM

1012
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: their pieces and it would be judged and then the

1013
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: pieces would be auctioned off to benefit the organization. So

1014
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: he put that on my radar, and I sent in

1015
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: three prints to the show and they sold for a

1016
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: bunch of money. Yeah, they sold, and um I actually

1017
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: won Best Show for with one of my pieces, which

1018
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: is cool. It's a nice little resume builder. Um. So yeah,

1019
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: all around, great experience and I wouldn't have known about

1020
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: it if not for him. So great, Thanks Jim, And

1021
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: he'll be on the show soon. We're having helf a

1022
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: finger prey so yeah. Yeah, I've never met him. He

1023
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: sounds such a great guy. One of the smartest dudes

1024
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: on the planet. Mat Yeah, he was awesome. He was

1025
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: updating me on the event, like every couple of hours,

1026
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: sending me an email. Tell tell people about your gallery

1027
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: in three forks. You don't want to tell him about it? No,

1028
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: I would love to. I like it that someone came

1029
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 1: in and asked if you were married to me? Yeah no,

1030
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: but I'm married her. As I said, I was like no,

1031
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: thank you to somebody else. Um, I get people in

1032
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: all the time asking about me eater and like podcast fans,

1033
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, are the neighbor the neighbor? Yeah yeah. Um

1034
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: it's funny because I actually I went full time and

1035
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: as an artist after our Alaska trip last year. I

1036
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: had decided I had I set it up like this

1037
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: was real sweet. I had decided that I was going

1038
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: to put in my two weeks at my job before

1039
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: we went from egg from egg to artists to artists,

1040
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: but I hadn't told them. So I went on the

1041
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: trip like just in the best mood. No, and I

1042
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: had that in my back pocket. But anyway, Um, I

1043
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: went full time last year and then in November we

1044
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: moved to Three Forks, the town of Three Forks, Montana,

1045
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: And in January I opened up my own studio and

1046
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: gallery there right off Main Street. So and it's been great.

1047
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: It's an awesome space. And do people so people just

1048
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: come in and buy stuff? Yeah? So do most days

1049
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: you make a sale? Yeah? Yeah. I would say it's

1050
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: pretty consistent, at least one every day. It's nice because

1051
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I used to work from home, um, which

1052
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: I never realized how distracted you can get working at home.

1053
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: So everybody always asked me, like, is it distracting having

1054
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: people come in because I'm painting or drawing the entire

1055
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: eight hours a day that I'm open, but people can

1056
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: come in. It's actually less distracting. People come in. Then

1057
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: it would be to just like work at home and

1058
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, go do the laundry or take the dog

1059
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: for a walk. It's it's go time when I'm there,

1060
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: regardless of whether people are in or not. Give people

1061
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: your Instagram handles and go look at it so they

1062
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: can see your art. It hard. Stuff is mind blowing.

1063
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: Everythank you. It's k Underscore Ray Artworks and Ray is

1064
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: r A. Why did you come up with something so

1065
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: hard to remember? I don't think it's hard to remember.

1066
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't use my last name. I was anticipating getting

1067
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: married at some point when I started my business, so

1068
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: raise my middle name. Made that happens. Said if he's like,

1069
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: if you didn't want to change your name, He's like, well,

1070
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: then let's just stay boyfriend girlfriend, all right. That was

1071
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: never said during the time that I was deciding whether

1072
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: to change my name or not. That was only brought

1073
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: up after where he's like, well, I tell you what

1074
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: I would have done. Yeah, if that he would have,

1075
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: he would have had it be Mrs Seth Morris's art gallup.

1076
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: So you're down there painting away, and people if they

1077
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: come down there, you're in there painting away. Yeah, it's

1078
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: cool because you walk in. It's two rooms. The first

1079
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: room is my studio, so you walk in and the

1080
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: first thing you see is like me and whatever I'm

1081
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: working on, and usually I chat with everybody that comes in,

1082
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: and then they you kind of continue on to the

1083
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: second room, which is a gallery, and that's where all

1084
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: the artists hanging. I have originals, and then there's a

1085
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: whole wall of frame prints and just prints. So it's

1086
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: a range of prices and stuff for sale. But you

1087
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: can kind of come in and chat with me, and

1088
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: then you can kind of have your own little time

1089
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: in the gallery where I'm not like, you know, they're

1090
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: looking over your shoulder. It's a nice flow, and you

1091
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: sell originals and prints. Yep. And I still do a

1092
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: lot of my sales online. I still have everything available

1093
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: there and I ship quite a bit across the country.

1094
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: But it's nice to have the space where people coming

1095
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: through Montana can come in and come see the work

1096
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: and come see the work in progress. That's been a

1097
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: cool part of it. How many hours days someone you

1098
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: can let you down there, Um, it depends. It really depends.

1099
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: Like it's not even I thought it would be more

1100
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: on weekends, but it's just variable. I can't like say,

1101
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: on average, I have a few typically someone in there

1102
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: or typically not someone typically not. Yeah, it's it's a

1103
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: nice mix. It's enough for me. That kind of makes

1104
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: a day go faster for me. Did you keep regular hours? Yeah,

1105
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: Tuesday to Saturday, tend to six like a banker. Yeah,

1106
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: it's like I have my morning routine and then I

1107
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: go in there and I'm open for an hour after

1108
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: people typically get off work, So that kind of allows.

1109
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: Do you have a gone fishing or gone hunting sign

1110
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: that you hang on. I just when we went to Alaska,

1111
01:10:54,000 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: I said gone fishing close to a second. Yeah, So, uh,

1112
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 1: tell people about the shack you guys bought se um

1113
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: so the A Frame Adventures LLC. So I'll go back

1114
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. When I first went up to your place, Um,

1115
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: that place was for sale, and I came home and

1116
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: was like, hey, Kelsey, there's this Like I told her

1117
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: about the whole trip, how awesome it was. I like

1118
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: instantly fell in love with that area, and I was like,

1119
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: there's this place for next to Steves. It's for sale.

1120
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: We should like check it out. And she was like yeah, whatever, Um, yeah,

1121
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: connection to the area, you know, and then I came up.

1122
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: So and then last year she came up and got

1123
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: to actually experience that the area, and she too fell

1124
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: in love with the area. So we came home. Um,

1125
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: and it was actually her who was like, we should

1126
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: seriously start like looking into this um and you know,

1127
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: see if we can buy it. So we couldn't do

1128
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: it just ourselves. Um, we couldn't afford it just ourselves.

1129
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: So we got a couple um buddies involved, one being

1130
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: her brother Bob and our our other buddy Ben Levy,

1131
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: and uh, they were like we we mentioned the the

1132
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: idea to them that you know, we're looking at this

1133
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: place in southeast Alaska and it's like not easy to

1134
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: get to and a lot of things about its pain

1135
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: in the ass, but um, once you're there, it's like

1136
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 1: the best time you'll ever have. And uh, those guys

1137
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: has never been up there, um, but they've like watched

1138
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: the show and I've seen kind of like what goes

1139
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: on up there, and it like took no convincing at

1140
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: all ever in that's kind of people you need. Yeah, yeah,

1141
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: And that's why we thought of them. We had they

1142
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: had been out to Montana for a turkey hunt. The

1143
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: year before, so we had experienced like a camp setting

1144
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: with them and a hunting experience with them, so we

1145
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: knew what we were getting into with that dynamic and

1146
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: it was great. They're like enthusiastic, willing to come up

1147
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: and do the work. Um, we work well together. So

1148
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: it was kind of a no brainer. And we had

1149
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: tried to pitch it to a few other friends, at

1150
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: least one or two to you know, spread out the cost,

1151
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: but it ended up being us four that we're really

1152
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: in for it and it's a great dynamic. How do

1153
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: you deal with the fact that like everything's rotten and

1154
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: kind of ruined and you'll never get it right, you

1155
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: just have That's just there's a level of that I feel.

1156
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, let me know if this is right or wrong,

1157
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: that you're just never gonna conquer. Right. There's structural issues

1158
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: as far as like the rotting things go that we

1159
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: are fixing right away. Um, but it's the fish check

1160
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: and a corrosive environment where you're not there all year

1161
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: two can most things that we bought in our life

1162
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: up to this point have been in some sort of way,

1163
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: So it's like it wasn't a big shocker. It's like, oh, yeah,

1164
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: just something else we gotta fix up. We approach it

1165
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: like like the goal for me, the goal would be

1166
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: that you had a place as tidy and durable and

1167
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: clean and knee as a coastguard station. But that's never

1168
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And like every year it would be like

1169
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: the thing is for me to to enjoy the rest

1170
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: of my year. Every year I have to know that

1171
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: our shock is a little better than it was last year.

1172
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: And I can, honestly the straight face says, as long

1173
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: as we've owned our place, every year we leave it

1174
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: in Always we leave it in better shape than it

1175
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: was the year before. Like we've built on a little bit.

1176
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: We overhauled engines, like work done this doc project, changed

1177
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: the plumbing, Like it's always a little bit better. I

1178
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: think you'll never get it right, but it's always a

1179
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: little better. The system you guys have is super cool

1180
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: and it works well because if you go to that

1181
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: place over time, you're able to appreciate the ship that

1182
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: was done three years ago or five, you know what

1183
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's like it's always improving, like you say,

1184
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 1: and you know, even as a visitor you learn to

1185
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: appreciate those over time. It's super cool going into it.

1186
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 1: For me, like, there's only so many pieces of property

1187
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: up there, right, So my mindset was, I don't care

1188
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: if this place falls down tomorrow. It kind of did

1189
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: fall down a little bit in a little way. I

1190
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: fell down, but I didn't care if it fell down tomorrow.

1191
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be able to lock down that

1192
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: area to eventually, because I knew someday, like I said,

1193
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: fell down tomorrow, someday I'd be able to, like we'd

1194
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: be able to put a new cabin on that place.

1195
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: So and I like, I like that aspect of it,

1196
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: that it's always something to be working on. Is it's

1197
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a project, and I like projects.

1198
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: And we had have already done in the one time

1199
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: that we were there altogether so much work and such

1200
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: an improvement over when we first pulled up, So like

1201
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: it's exciting to think about um over the years, what

1202
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna accumulate to. It's interesting that you guys were

1203
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: up doing like the four owners, and we did four owners,

1204
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people look at that

1205
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: thing like, man, that's not a good idea for four

1206
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: people to pitch in and buy like a permanent thing.

1207
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: Like property. Yeah, but we have we just like haven't

1208
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: run into a problem with it, and and and the

1209
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: thing is, we would never have done it if we

1210
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: couldn't have done it that way, because it's a difference

1211
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: between everybody coming up with twenty grand or like someone

1212
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: coming up with a d grant at that time, and

1213
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: no one's gonna come up with a grant. Yeah, I'm curious,

1214
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: how like if you have any thing that has been

1215
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: a management from a management standpoint, how you do that

1216
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: like from a group? Nothing? Ever, So I was gonna

1217
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: say for us, like the four of us have very

1218
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: different strengths that we bring to the table that are

1219
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: all necessary for this purchase. So I think it's gonna,

1220
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, be that moving forward, that dynamic between the

1221
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: four of us beneficial, Like there's really no overlap. We

1222
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: need each other to make this work. For sure. People

1223
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: get different areas. Uh. I think it's a great strategy

1224
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: people buying like hunting properties, recreational properties, whatever. And we

1225
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: do it like someone's always working on a project, like

1226
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: someone's always spearheading a thing, and you generally do it

1227
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 1: where you get everyone's like, yeah, that sounds like a

1228
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: reasonable idea. Um, this year, we got like a whole

1229
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: new like stainless steel counter in our kitchen, right, which

1230
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: is sweet, by the way, And we had all bitched

1231
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: about apply the rotten plywood one. I was like, I'm

1232
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: gonna find one. So I've found this dude who's welding

1233
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: and fabrication and catch can commissioned him to do it. No.

1234
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: I never shared the plans that anyone, Right, I arranged

1235
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: the habit delivered. No one would ever be like, that's

1236
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: not what I would have done. Like it was like great.

1237
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: And then we share the cost and we have a

1238
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: lot of visitors. But the way we run it is

1239
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: like visitors like gas, pay for gas, groceries, expendable stuff,

1240
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: and we all share maintenance like like boat issues. Maintenance

1241
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: is use anything like semi permanent or permanent, like we

1242
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: just share the expense. That's how we did it come up.

1243
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: It just makes sense. That's a natural way of running that. Um.

1244
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: And what's nice about that is it's very obvious when

1245
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: you're up there what the weakest link in the property is,

1246
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: so like that naturally becomes the next project. Um. You know,

1247
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't foresee a scenario with our place in the

1248
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: next ten years where it'll be like him and Han

1249
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: on what needs to be done exactly. Yeah, that's one

1250
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: of the things I'm glad we've never run into the

1251
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: problem of is we've never had somehow magically or not.

1252
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the way it should go and does go,

1253
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 1: or maybe we've got lucky. We've never had a person

1254
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: not be supportive of what the other people were supportive of. Um,

1255
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: everybody's always been like, yeah, it sounds good. Yeah, her

1256
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: problem right now a long time. Yeah, our problem right

1257
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: now is we want to do so much and we're

1258
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: just like so gung ho and enthusiastic about it that

1259
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: we have. Our list of things we want to do

1260
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: next year is like a million things long. So we

1261
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: need to prioritize brought up against the financial reality, yeah

1262
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 1: for sure, and the time limit. I mean, we're only

1263
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: able to be up there for a certain amount of time.

1264
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: So so we did we did our whole shack this year,

1265
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: we did a new counter. Did everything impacts right next year? Like,

1266
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: the one thing I know is we're going to replace

1267
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: our on demand hot water heater, but we didn't want

1268
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: to do that and t it did everything impacts. So

1269
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: now the next step on the man hot water heater,

1270
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: and then you know, whatever else down the line. How

1271
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: do you here's a question, how do you um prioritize?

1272
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: Like you're up there and you have all these things

1273
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: that you want to get done on the house work wise,

1274
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: but then you also want to enjoy being there and

1275
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: go fishing and exploring and time with your family. Like

1276
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: do you does that just kind of fall into place? Actually,

1277
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: it falls into place naturally. But we'll go into a summer. No,

1278
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: and like we need to dig a new privy hole,

1279
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: So dig a new privy hole. Moved our house, Like

1280
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: we definitely need to do this whatever, And every year

1281
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: we get more done than we thought we wouldn't. Yeah,

1282
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: do you ever leave wishing you would have just relaxed

1283
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: and fish more, had more like less work, more fun. Yeah, No,

1284
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: we got the perfect balance. I would engage. I would

1285
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: jump into the exact same thing somewhere else, Like I

1286
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: want to do the same thing down and like Grand Aisle. Yeah, Usiana,

1287
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: which is like the Alaska of the South, Like I

1288
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: want to do the same thing down there. I would

1289
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: do the same thing anywhere, not anywhere, but I would

1290
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: do the same thing in really rich fishing environments. I

1291
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: would buy another shack with a bunch of people and

1292
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: just use I should write a little pamphlet unlike how

1293
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,919
Speaker 1: to do that or how we've done it with success.

1294
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: That pamphlet would be you better plan on doing a

1295
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: lot of work. Because you tell people you're going up

1296
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: up to your place for whatever a week, oh, going

1297
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: fishing to Alaska. They're like, oh, that must be so nice.

1298
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 1: You're like, well, you know it is, but like you're

1299
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: working NonStop. It's like not a relaxing fishing. It's not

1300
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: for everyone. We went to the bookstore and catch a

1301
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 1: Can and we were asking about any literature that would

1302
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: be um tied to Prince of Wales, and she pointed

1303
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 1: out one author who wrote a book titled A Miserable Paradise.

1304
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: Was like, that's great, Yeah, yeah it was. It was

1305
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: the first year up there was awesome. The so we've

1306
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: talked about in the past, but the porch fell off

1307
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: the place this winter, um and that was like that

1308
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: was like the first thing we did, like even before

1309
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: we even walked into place, like we had four people

1310
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: just like pulling those boards apart and stuff. Was that

1311
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: the bonfire, big bonfire you had that that was the

1312
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: couch bins of multi clothes. Um. But yeah, my like

1313
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: my priority is like get the place so it's not

1314
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: gonna fall over and not just road away, and like

1315
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: get the boats running to a point where we can

1316
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: depend on them, you know, and like after that, it's

1317
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 1: just like kind of what you said, pick a project

1318
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: every year and get it done. But like, yeah, this

1319
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: and like this is remote and off the grid, so

1320
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: you can't go to the hardware store, which is very frustrating,

1321
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: so frustrating when you need something. You're like, dude, I

1322
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: am one spark plug away from being set and I

1323
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: can't get the spark. And like I'll point out that

1324
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: if we didn't have you guys there, like we would

1325
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: have been screwed with a lot of ship just because

1326
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: like if I didn't have the right tool or whatever,

1327
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: I just walked over to your place and grabbed it

1328
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: and make sure I put it back in the right spot.

1329
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's like so many things that we were

1330
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: working on that was like we just didn't have the

1331
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: right stuff to get it done. And it's very helpful

1332
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,440
Speaker 1: having you there. You know, you guys have been established

1333
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: there for what twenty some years almost, but Apparently you

1334
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: don't need the right stuff to catch hudder and pound

1335
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: hall a bit right. Yeah, we got lucky. My My

1336
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: one frustration, um is I don't the only thing in

1337
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: my life where the more I do it, the worse

1338
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: I get at it. It would be uh black cod fishing.

1339
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: Oh you think you're getting worse at it? Yeah? Didn't

1340
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: you bring in a few one this year? You've gone

1341
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: all in on that too. I'm all in, and every

1342
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: year it gets worse and worse and worse. The first

1343
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: time I ever dropped down within like five minutes, I

1344
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: had a black cod, caught a few that day. Then

1345
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: when out that summer did real good. And it's just

1346
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: gotten worse and worse and worse and worse. What was

1347
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 1: going through your head when you pull that one black

1348
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: caught up and took a good look at it this year?

1349
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 1: This year, I was ecstatic, So I like how cold

1350
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: they are when they're coming up out of water. Didn't

1351
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: you say something about maybe it could be like a

1352
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: migratory issue. No, I just gotten worse at it. Man,

1353
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: it's personal. I don't know though. I mean, the halibut

1354
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: fishing this year seem way slower of it was way

1355
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: off every year. There's things that are good and there's

1356
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: things that are bad. It's gonna ask you did it

1357
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: pick up when it got warm after we left, No,

1358
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: Sam and fish was lights out? Yeah, that was fun.

1359
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: The help of fishing was dead. Scalop diving never been better. Yeah,

1360
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: I mean not that you know, they've always been there,

1361
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: but shrimp and seemed a little dead. Never been better

1362
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: on scallops. Crabbing was good, black cotton was miserable. Every

1363
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 1: year something's good, something sucks. Boy, it sucks letting those

1364
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: yellow eye go, man, I got a lot of those.

1365
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: Can we tell the story, the hilarious story about the

1366
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: two giant helibit from our camp. You can close it out,

1367
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: but I'm afraid you'd be giving away your little spot. No,

1368
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna talk more about the people in the

1369
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 1: dynamic and our little dinghy that we had ahead. We'll

1370
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 1: close out with that, Okay. So it easily could have

1371
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: been UM said you were there, so I'll let you. Yeah.

1372
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: So we we were having um when we bought this place.

1373
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: It came with came with three skiffs, um and three motors.

1374
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: One's a Honda thirty horse. One was a Mercury forty horse,

1375
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: and one was a Suzuki four horse. And that's the

1376
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: thing about these types of deals. When you buy something

1377
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 1: and you're not there to inspect, there there's no like inspection.

1378
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: There's no formal process. So like you get the list

1379
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: of things that are on, they don't move out either,

1380
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: and you don't know whether it works or not. Yeah,

1381
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 1: so we went and I went into this being like

1382
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: if we can get at least one motor running and

1383
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: boat running to go fish, I'll be the static. So

1384
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: we're going through the motors. We find out that um,

1385
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: the Mercury, it wasn't gonna I mean it's it was running,

1386
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: and then it wasn't running. We couldn't figure out what's

1387
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 1: going on. So we determined that that thing wasn't gonna

1388
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 1: work for the summer. And then we had uh Honda

1389
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: thirty which fired right up and was running like a champ.

1390
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,959
Speaker 1: But the UM there was a seal on the hydraulic

1391
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: cylinder that was leaking and we leaked all of our

1392
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 1: hydraulic fluid out of the electronic tilt. So um, we

1393
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: couldn't tilt our motor up, which you need to be

1394
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: able to do that. So that one was out and

1395
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: all we had left was our little Suzuki Kicker four

1396
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: horse and we put that on a It was a

1397
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: Sears boat. I have no clue what time. It looks

1398
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: like it's been through the ringer, No clue what year

1399
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: it was built. Oh that is an old yeah, moss

1400
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 1: hanging off. So we couldn't go too far in it.

1401
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: So we would pack four people in the evenings and

1402
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 1: go out to this one hole um and fish halibut.

1403
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: And I think it was the first night we were out.

1404
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, the first night we were out there

1405
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 1: halbut fishing. Um all right. We had our one buddy,

1406
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: Sam and his back or his girlfriend Becca were up

1407
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: there with us, and we're catching like quillbacks and stuff.

1408
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: And I was teaching them how to use like the

1409
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: deep release and whatnot, and um, she like, and I

1410
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: was very adamant, like you are, like when you're running

1411
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: these circle hooks, because we were we were just running

1412
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: um some circle hooks and and cut bait. And I

1413
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: was like, when you get a fish, it's not like

1414
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: normal fishing where you set the hook. You just gotta

1415
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: like reel into them. So um she at one point

1416
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: in time starts getting this hit and I'm sitting there

1417
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: watching a rod and she's like, what do I do?

1418
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: And I just it got to the point where I

1419
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: was like, real, she she starts reel and and you

1420
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: never think it's gonna be so big gas fish, you know,

1421
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: there's always the opportunity for that to happen. But she

1422
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: starts reeling and you can tell very quickly that it's

1423
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: not just your average little halibit or rock fish or

1424
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: yellow you know whatever. Um. And yeah, she fought it

1425
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 1: for a while and it got to the point where

1426
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: she was like, couldn't fight it anymore. So she handled

1427
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: the over, pulling the boat all four people in this

1428
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: little serious but we didn't have an anchor, so it

1429
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 1: was pulling the boat all over the place and uh,

1430
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: finally get it up and get it up to the surface.

1431
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: And we didn't have a harpoon or anything. We had

1432
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: a gaff in a rope and my buddy Casey gaffed it.

1433
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: And as it was coming up, I was like telling Casey,

1434
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, when that thing gets to the surface, you're

1435
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to gaff it. And I said, when you

1436
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: gaff it, just freaking hold on because it's gonna go nuts,

1437
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: and I had this video him doing it. The thing

1438
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: comes to the surface, We're all like, holy shit, we

1439
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: were not expecting this huge halibit. He gased, thing goes nuts. Um,

1440
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: he ends up, it ends up coming on gaffed several times. Uh,

1441
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: luckily kept it on the hook. Um, we're able to

1442
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: get a rope around its tail and we um. You know,

1443
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: when it finally settled down, I bled it out, so

1444
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 1: it died before we brought it in the boat because

1445
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 1: I was telling him like, do not bring that big

1446
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,839
Speaker 1: of a fish in the boat still alive, because everything

1447
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: in the boat is going to be out of the boat,

1448
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, if that's things in here flopping around and

1449
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: you're gonna break an arm or whatever. This sounds very calm.

1450
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: There's a video. It is complete and total payoff. U.

1451
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, finally got it. Uh. You know, we killed

1452
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: it in the water and brought it in the boat

1453
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: and putted our way back to the cabin and we're

1454
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: we're like so excited to get back and show you

1455
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: guys at night because no one was expecting that UM

1456
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 1: was one seventeen, That one was one, and then the

1457
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 1: next night it was the next night I think, Uh,

1458
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: those guys. I wasn't there for the next night, but

1459
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: those guys went back out and caught a one thirty

1460
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: three in the same spot, so amazing, two biggest fish

1461
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 1: of the whole trip. A lot of people pounded a

1462
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: lot of water. They they were just beyond ecstatic. They

1463
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: left and she was like Becca, She was like, I

1464
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: need to do this every year. You need to invite

1465
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 1: me every year. Do you guys remember the first night

1466
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: when you brought that big one back? What Steve said coming,

1467
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: It'll never happen again. Yeah, But also a lot of

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01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: people were saying that the big ones coming two. Yeah,

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01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: I said, I sighted five times when we caught two

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01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: giants in the same spot. You're right on that, Well

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01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 1: you're right in wrong then all right, guys, go, uh,

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01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: what's your what's the name of your gallery? I call

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01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: it the studio Gallery, but you can find it on

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01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: my Instagram which is k Ray Artworks and my website

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01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: is k Ray artworks dot com. K Ray It's okay

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01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: r artworks. Go check out the work, get your turkey

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01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: T shirt mhm, then listen to claus calls and then

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01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 1: don't ate some money to the Wyoming corner Cross just

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01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: getting expensive around here. Yeah, don't to the Wyoming corner

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01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: Cross shack in Alaska. Find up some people and buy

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01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: a rotten shack in Alaska. I don't know all right,

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Speaker 1: but thanks for joining me.