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Speaker 1: Tell me about his evolution with you, Mac. How you've

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Speaker 1: gone from a consultant to the U. S. Government on

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Speaker 1: anti terrorist programs to working as a public relations supervisor,

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Speaker 1: as a sports columnist, and now you're, you know, dabbling

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Speaker 1: in the paranormal, writing books about it. You've got to

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Speaker 1: your own radio show dealing with strange things. How did

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Speaker 1: this evolution occur for you? Boy? I don't know. You know,

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Speaker 1: I went to school for journalism and then worked in

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Speaker 1: just my first job was as a sportswriter you know,

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Speaker 1: But then I had to, you know, like make more

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Speaker 1: lot just don't pay a lot of money. So you

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Speaker 1: work for General Electric for a while as a PR guy,

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Speaker 1: and I get to know a lot of people doing

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Speaker 1: don't know it, just that that idea just kind of,

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Speaker 1: you know, grow and growing. I was able to do

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Speaker 1: fiction books about the aviation and so on, and but

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Speaker 1: I've always been interested in UFOs even since I was

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Speaker 1: a little kid, you know, And just somehow all that

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Speaker 1: came out to what I'm doing now? Were you like me?

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Speaker 1: Was it this Look magazine article on Barney and Betty

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Speaker 1: It was then? And I used to read the books

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Speaker 1: that major Donald Keyhoe, oh yeah, from Nightcap right right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's what really that's really hooked me because and

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Speaker 1: even now when you read his books, you know, a

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Speaker 1: He had a lot of contacts and the Pentagon. He

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Speaker 1: was a he was a marine officer, and uh, he

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Speaker 1: looked into a lot of very strange cases, did a

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Speaker 1: started reading those, as you know, it just really as

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Speaker 1: had some great upho books. Right, yeah, as well. Right,

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Speaker 1: are you a believer that we're being visited? Um? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. You know, obviously something is out there

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Speaker 1: be hallucinating or making it up or whatever or man

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Speaker 1: Something is there. You know, it's probably is a little

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Speaker 1: of that people uh, you know, seeing something that they

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Speaker 1: Next hour, we'll open up the phone lines for questions

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Speaker 1: and maybe your own story of strange things. How did

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Speaker 1: can hear you. Well, we're run a number of internet networks.

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Speaker 1: You just google mcloney's Military X Files Show. We do

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Speaker 1: a weekly show. I have two interesting co hosts. Both

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we love talking about Oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: is certainly a big part of them, but all kinds

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Speaker 1: of different, just strange things will see things, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they all can't be making them up. They all can't

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Speaker 1: be hoaxes. We have instances in the book where you know,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of people, thousands of people saw a different kind

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Speaker 1: of paranormal type stuff, So there has to be something

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Speaker 1: behind it. Maybe it's all tied in together, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: we talked about this on the show a lot that

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Speaker 1: maybe Bigfoot and Goes and UFOs and luck miss Monsters,

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Speaker 1: all of the whole thing all comes from the same thing.

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Speaker 1: We're not the first people to think about that, but

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Speaker 1: we talk about it a lot. But it's it's an

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Speaker 1: endless fascination with us and with a lot of people. Well,

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Speaker 1: and you're write about this important aspect. Not all these

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Speaker 1: people are making things up or lying or mistaken. And

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Speaker 1: even if you have a hundred people and of them

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Speaker 1: are making up these stories that they see ghosts, and

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Speaker 1: you have Ose and Bigfoot, you've got that one person

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Speaker 1: who's not lying, who has seen something very unusual, and

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Speaker 1: that that's what fuels me. That's why I can tinue

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Speaker 1: looking for these answers, because that that one person is

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Speaker 1: the reason that I go after these stories. All it

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Speaker 1: takes is one ghost story to be true, and they

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Speaker 1: might as all be true. I tell Linda Bolton Howe,

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Speaker 1: who's our reporter back. She's an expert in crop formations

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Speaker 1: and truly believes that most of the crop formations are

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Speaker 1: made from other sources other than man. And whatever those

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Speaker 1: sources could be, could be UFOs, could be the Earth

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Speaker 1: doing it as a vehicle to communicate with us, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. She thinks most of them are done that way,

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Speaker 1: and I've told her, I says Linda, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: because even if all of them except one is the

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Speaker 1: unusual one, it's an amazing story. It's it's the story

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Speaker 1: of the lifetime. And absolutely for sure, you know, like

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Speaker 1: our ghost story, you know, if you could talk to

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Speaker 1: if there's one person was come back here from the afterlife,

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Speaker 1: that's it. The most amazing thing that's ever happened ever.

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