1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club Shah, and my 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: guest today is father, husband, actor, activists, rapper, the Og, 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Mister ice Cube himself. All my life, running all my life, sacrifice, 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: hustle back, Chris one a slice, got the bron dice 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: swathing all my life. I've been running all my life, 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: all my life, the running, all my life, sacrifice, hustle back, 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Price one slice got the dice swathing all my life. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: I've been running all my life. Cue. How are you 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: doing today? Yeah? What's suddenly? Man? How you feeling shading? 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm good, bro? I mean, are you getting ready for 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: doing Remaker? Tom Hayes The Black cast Away? What's going on? Hey? 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: You know, you know I had to let it grow. Man. 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: You know that's that's that wisdom coming through then. You 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that's that wisdom coming this wisdom 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: coming through the chin right here. Bro, I really appreciate 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: if you give me a few moments of your time today. 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. I know you're very busy, but 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: to give me a few minute minutes of your time today, 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Now. I appreciate you doing it, man, 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: you know I love you know what you're doing TV. 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: You know, to meet you one of the best personalities 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: on TV talking sports and just human. Uh, you know, 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: just get down, you know what I mean, just just 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: telling it like a t I is and I love 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: you on TV. So man, I'm glad you got this show. 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Now you can keep it going. Thank y'all really appreciate it. Well, 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: let's start you we'll get back to where the origins. 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: But let's start with the basically the hot thing of 29 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: what's going on today, and that was the murder of 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: George Floyd and what's the tensions and the uprising the 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: emotions that we're starting to see spill out in the 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: black communities. And a lot of people I think don't 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: realize where you got your start from. You were in 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: a group called NWA, and so I think people are 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: a little surprised shock because they think you had gotten 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: away from that. Talk about your emotions and why you've 37 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: been so active the resurgence of the IQ of the 38 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: original o G. Well, you know, with my music, I 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: talk about and I've always talked about, you know, the 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: things that's happening in our communities. You know, I call 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: it street knowledge, and uh, I've always been kicking that 42 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: from day one. But in my movies, you know, I 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: felt like when somebody spends you know, maybe a hundred 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: dollars when it comes to them, they want and getting 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: something to eat, parking driving, it might want to have 46 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: a good time, and it might not be about just 47 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: the struggles of being black in America. Some of my 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: movies are usually fun, but I've always had a passion 49 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: for our condition in this country and what needs to 50 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: be done and to do it from you know, my 51 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: bandage point, you know, which is art. But when this happened, 52 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: I felt like it was time for me to step 53 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: up as a OG. You know, I felt like it's 54 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: my generation's turn to take the man on when it 55 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: comes to not just civil rights, but human rights, just 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: human dignity, economical, uh, you know, freedom. You know, it's 57 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: it's hard time to step up. So I wanted to 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: step out outside of music in movies and just speak 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: as a as a man, as a father, you know 60 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: now grandfather, and I just you know, can't see this 61 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: perpetuate and keep going on another you know whatever years. 62 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: Why do you think that George Floyd murder hit her 63 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: so different? Because they're with Eric Gardner. There was Philando Castile. 64 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: There was Alton Sterling, there was Walter Scott, there was 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Sandra Bland. There was Tamerror Rights. There was Treyvard Martin. 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: There've been so many. Why did this resonate so much, 67 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: not only in the black community, but seemed to grip America? Well, 68 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, we as a people never accepted slavery, correct, 69 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: We never went for that. You know, I don't care 70 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: what they tell you. That was never cool with us, 71 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: and we wasn't never down with it. We tolerated it, 72 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: we lived under it, but we didn't accept it. No, 73 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: we had to, you know, to survive. And so when 74 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: when one one of us would get out of hand, 75 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: they would pull everybody around to watch the discipline take place. 76 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: And we've seen that in movies countless of times. This 77 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: was a replay of that, seeing this man uh begging 78 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: for his life, even to his mama, and so to 79 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: have a man on top of him with his hand 80 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: in his pocket, looking right at the camera. Let us 81 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: all know that our life means nothing, and that's unacceptable 82 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. It was unacceptable back then, but we 83 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: couldn't do nothing about it. Now we can do something 84 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: about it and we're not going for it. And you know, 85 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: I always said the country has got to change, or 86 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: we will change it. And that's what's happening right now. 87 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: We're in the process of changing it, and it's gonna happen. 88 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: And so you know, that's why now is the time. 89 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: Why is it so hard for those outside of our 90 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: communities to hear our cries to see us as human 91 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: not less? Then why is it so hard for people 92 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: to accept that there's something raw in America and we 93 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: won't change it. Why is it so hard for them 94 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: to see that? Well, I mean, it's not happening to them. 95 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: You know, usually people are really concerned about their own situation, 96 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: their own family. It's not easy for the average wide 97 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: American today. So he maybe feels or she maybe feels like, hey, 98 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: this is part of it, you know, this is part 99 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: of the struggle of pull yourself up by your bootstraps. 100 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: But if they realize we've never even had a pair 101 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: of boots to pull ourselves up by, so speak as 102 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: a as a community, and even when we tried to prosper, 103 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: it was stumped out in uh, you know, different places 104 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: across the country like Tulsa and you know, and other 105 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: wood roads, wood other communities that we know about and 106 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: hear about, and the ones that we haven't heard about. 107 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: So you know, our progress and side avertaged in a 108 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: lot of ways. It's a systematically fixed where you know, 109 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: that's why they're so surprised when one of us get 110 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: through and get ahead and and don't count me and 111 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: you we we we go through the path that's at 112 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: least resistance, which is entertainment in sports, right, you know, 113 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: we gotta look at you know, how many people you 114 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: know are not Ice Cube and Shannon Sharp and how 115 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: can they get through? So, you know, just to end that, 116 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: I just think it's people that just look at their 117 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: own situations and if it's not happening to them, it's 118 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: hard for them to understand. But as you mentioned, is 119 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: that when when people look at you and I and 120 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: they think that all black people, well Cube you made it, 121 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp, you made it, Oprah, and you got Lebron, 122 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: you got Denzil. But we're the only race for people 123 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: that if you can succeed and they say, well you 124 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: did it everybody else. But that's not how White America 125 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: views it. White America doesn't look at and say, well, 126 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezo has one hundred and eighty three billion, so 127 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: everybody else is good. They say it's not. We need 128 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: to get everybody up to get economic prosperity. You look 129 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: at the Asian community, you look at the Jewish community. 130 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Everybody is about pulling everybody else up. But in the 131 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: Black community, say well, if you feel you get out, 132 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: you good. Yeah, that's that's just not true. And even 133 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: we've had help. You know, I couldn't have made it 134 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: without at the time of Record Company just distributing the 135 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: record and putting it out. You know, Easy had the label, 136 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: but he had to go through Makola as a distributor. 137 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: So you had to you know, play on the broncos. Uh, 138 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: and that don't make you a bad guy, and the 139 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Ravens to you know, to do your thing, you know 140 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, but you but those organizations were 141 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: still in place. So that's a form of health and 142 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: our community. Of these we got businesses that if they 143 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: could get a loan, if they can get some just 144 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: a little capital, a little help, they can grow that 145 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: business and hire more people and expand and and and 146 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: and have different franchises. And but when we can't get 147 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: that initial spot of capital to help us jump start 148 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: even a home loan. You know, we're shut out. We 149 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: only get three percent of all the money in the 150 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: bank loaned out to black people in their businesses. Now 151 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: ninety seven percent go to other communities. Now we're thirteen 152 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: point five percent of the country. If they just bump 153 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: that to thirteen point point five percent, loan out and 154 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: you know where guys can borrow, not not unqualified guys. 155 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about prime lending. No, we we'd all it 156 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: help us catch up, because the gap is what's killing 157 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: us right now. Every for every dollar a white person 158 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: is worth, a black person is worth ten percent, and 159 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: that just can't stand right now. We can't survive off 160 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: off of that wealth gap. And it's not getting smaller. 161 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: It's grown, it's growing. And the thing is is that 162 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: you know, look, I'm not saying, and I think you're 163 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: echoing is saying the same thing I'm saying. I'm not saying, 164 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: helped me because I'm black, But please don't deny me 165 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: because I'm black, thank you. I mean, just like you know, 166 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: three trillion dollars was given to two companies, you know, 167 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean six hundred dollars was given to some Americans, 168 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: but for the most part, they built out all these 169 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: different companies and uh and these different you know, billionaires. 170 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: But how many black companies were built out with that 171 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: three trillion dollars? With thirteen point five percent of the country. 172 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: We should at least got thirteen point five percent of 173 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: that three trillion dollars to help our companies. Forty two 174 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: percent of black companies went under during this COVID situation. 175 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: And that's that's a shame when they're helping companies. That's 176 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: that's been built out over and over and over and 177 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: over again with the American people money, and thirteen point 178 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: five send me that money's ours. So uh, you know, 179 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: of course the numbers shift here and there, but you 180 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: get my drift, You get my point. You have something 181 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: a contract with America. You said you want to address 182 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: racial economic inequality. So in your contract, how do you 183 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: how does America make it right with black America? Man, 184 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: It's a lot of simple things they could do, you know, 185 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: just take government contracts. If we got thirteen percent of 186 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: the government contracts out there, that would give our communities 187 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: a big boots. Like I said, with lending, you know, 188 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: lending money, you know other things that we need to do. 189 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: Of course, we need to reform policing, but also the 190 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: justice system and the prison system. You know, if you 191 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: don't reform all three, what it happened is you reform 192 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: the police and then you know, if you do get arrested, 193 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: you get a bad DA or you know prosecutor that 194 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: don't give up the evidence and give up all the 195 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: the the discovery and do all these games. Now they 196 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: don't railroaded to the prison. Prison got their own games 197 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: where if they're not feel to the top, the prison 198 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: have to pay money, so they're gonna make sure they 199 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: feel to the top with guilty and innocent people. So 200 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: it's a thing where this is a business ran on 201 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: off off you know, our pain, not just black people, 202 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: but brown people. It's off our hand read people off 203 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: our pain, and these systems, you know, continue to thrive 204 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: and grow and people get big money off them. So 205 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: all these things got to be reformed. If we're treated fair, 206 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: you don't have to defund the police. If you just 207 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: get good guys and make the bad guys accountable and 208 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: get them off the force, then we would love the 209 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: police like any other community. But when you keep the 210 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: bad guys and they come abuse us and beat our 211 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: head in. Of course we don't want them then, right, 212 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,359 Speaker 1: And the thing if you mentioned bank and finance reform, 213 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: is that we play a higher lending. We play a 214 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: higher rate on the loan, but we're quicker to get 215 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: floor clothed on all that. You know, every game in 216 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: the book is played off us. We pay more, I mean, 217 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: we pay more in taxes, property taxes for the police, 218 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: and then they the ones beat our head in. So 219 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: all these little games that's being played on our backs, 220 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: that's relegated us to the bottom of this economic pyramid. 221 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: We have to sniff them out and cut him out 222 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: and and things would flow and you won't see so 223 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: much frustration. You know, people with that cold pay their 224 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: bills and do their thing and and you know know 225 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: where their next meal coming from. Don't think about going 226 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: out in the street looting. So cute that seems to be. 227 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: It seems to me doctor King said, riots is the 228 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: language of the unheard, And it seems it seems to 229 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: me that black people say the only time you hear 230 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: is is that when we burning stuff down where we're 231 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: blessing out of windows. We were crying for four hundred years, 232 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: and it seems to be when you get the sixty 233 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: five or watts right, or you get ninety two, or 234 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: you get the Ferguson, or you get Baltimore, or you 235 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: got the uh what we just had George Floyd, he said, 236 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: that seems to be the only time that you hear us. 237 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: Why can't you hear us before we burn down stuff? 238 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: Why can't you hear us before we look and steal stuff? 239 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: Why does it take that to get your attention? I 240 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: mean that's a good point. I mean, these things that's 241 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: in the Contract with Black America, they're not new concepts. 242 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: It's not like we came up with something that you know, 243 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: people haven't talked about and studied. People a lot smarter 244 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: than us have put their whole life around some of 245 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: these issues. And so it's the political will. It's it's uh, 246 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, people knowing what they need to do, but 247 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: they don't want to rock their own boat, right, So 248 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: we have to force people to have the political will. 249 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: And it's really all these people are scared to not 250 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: get reelected. So if we if we harness that energy 251 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: and harnessing our vote and sniffing out people who don't 252 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: want to help us, that's in high places, that's been there, 253 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: and get them out of there and replace them with 254 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: people that's better. Well, you know, we'll continue to run 255 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: into this problem. We have to use our real power 256 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: and you know it's silent, but it's deadly because you 257 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: get somebody out of there and they know you're gonna 258 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: get them out of there, You're not gonna vote unless 259 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: if they unless they support your platform and your agenda. 260 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: Then that's that's really real power come from. That's where 261 00:16:54,520 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: real change in this country come from. The looting, riding 262 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: and all that will only get you so far. Correct 263 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we got to change policy, legislation, 264 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: hearts and minds, you know, and that's that's that's when 265 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, when it's all said and done, that's the 266 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: only thing that really, you know, gets people out of 267 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: this pain. The one thing that we know about power 268 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: Cube is that people in power want to stay in power, 269 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: and power Caun sees nothing without demand. Nobody said, you 270 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: know what, I've been in power long enough. I think 271 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: I want to go. You know what, I want to 272 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: be fair about this, You have to demand it and 273 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: you have to take actions. Yes, that's why, you know, 274 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: the Contract with Black America was a necessary foundation of 275 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: taking action, of acting for things that we need, you know, 276 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: as a whole. You know, I don't hit everything. You know, 277 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: there's a section that I believe that we need to 278 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: do on Black women when it comes to the Contract 279 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: with Black America that need to highlight the things that 280 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: you know, our women are going through, you know, when 281 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: it comes to the workplace and in America period. So 282 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: you know, it's room for improvement, and I want suggestions. 283 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a legislator, so I really want 284 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: the people whose job it is to do this to 285 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: grab this thing and run with it. So to me, 286 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: we have to you know, first of all, spread the word. 287 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: Make sure everybody going to uh c WB A dot world. 288 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: You know, we got a four page version of a contract. 289 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: We got a twenty three page longer version of the contract. 290 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: Make yourself familiar with either version and push forward, because 291 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: this is what we can do to to make these 292 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: candidates that's running in November do something and not just 293 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: hold them take our both for granted, and you know, 294 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: leave us. You know, have you ever walk in in 295 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: the club with some people and they supposed to get 296 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: you in, they forget to look back. Yeah, they get 297 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: in themselves, but they leave you standing. Yeah, they get 298 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: to look back and uh they I thought you was 299 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: right behind me. And that's how they've been doing us. 300 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: We get them in office and you know, they get 301 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: in and get to look back sometimes. So we're gonna 302 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: make sure we grab them out on them and say 303 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: hey man, we with you. We're going in with you, 304 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: and uh, we need you to do the things we 305 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: need done them cut. Why is it is that when 306 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: we say we want this, why does why they're like 307 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: the black community says, Okay, we want our we want 308 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: our voices heard, we want our voting rights. We won't. 309 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: We won't economic equal, we want economic equality, we want 310 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: us racial and social justice. Why does it if we 311 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: feel if a certain demographics feels like if we get 312 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: those things, we take something from from you. It's all right, 313 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: we're not taking. It's not like we get you give. 314 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: It's just that it's supposed to be. Well. I mean, 315 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: when you got people who've been taking advantage, they want 316 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: to they want to keep getting their extra you know, 317 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: decimals and dividends and whatever. They you know, really like 318 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: get off on you know, not help people. But let 319 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: me tell you this, money don't trickle down, No, it 320 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: doesn't trickle up. The trickle up I mean everybody at 321 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 1: the bottom of the pyramid. When I say the bottom, 322 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean the bottom of the economic pyramid. If you 323 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: gave them money today, they would go buy something right 324 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: from somebody rich, right who has it. So the money 325 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: trickles up, it don't. It might not ever trickle down 326 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: to the bottom, but it will trickle up to the top. 327 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: So I don't understand why it's so hard to understand 328 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: that if they supply our community with the capital that 329 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: it's that that old just a fair share of the 330 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: money we put into the kiddy, then the money was 331 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: still making its way up to the Bezos and the 332 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: these and the day you know, it would still make 333 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: it up to them. It just might take a little longer, 334 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: and it might make people a little happier. I mean, 335 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: what's wrong with that. There's a reason why Jeff Bezos 336 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: and I don't begrudge him. I happened. I've made him annoying. 337 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: There's a reason why he made seventy seven billion dollars 338 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: in five months because the stimulus money that you were 339 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: getting you needed things. You needed cleaning supplies, you needed things. 340 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: So that twelve hundred bucks that they were sending you, 341 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: guess what. As soon as you got it, guess what 342 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: you had to do. You had to go buy something, 343 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: You had to go grocery shopping, you had to buy products. 344 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: So guess what. The money that you got it went 345 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: right back to him, Thank you, And but you still 346 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: got your product that you needed to sustain your family. 347 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: So you don't mind that, you know. If but if 348 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: you never see nothing at the bottom and he just 349 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: making seventy eight billion at the top, and you haven't 350 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: gotten what you need and you what your family needs, 351 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: you're pretty upset that somebody can get all that and 352 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: you have nothing. In a place like America, it just 353 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't happen this way. As you mentioned to you, people 354 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: at the bottom don't have what they call disposable income 355 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: where you can invest. When people say the economy is good, 356 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: it's good for people that can invest in the economy. 357 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: If I don't have any money in stocks and bonds, 358 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: what DoD is the economy roaring? Does me? I'm trying 359 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: to make is is me? I gotta pay rent, I 360 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: gotta put food on the table, if I got a 361 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: car payment, if I got if I got to catch 362 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: the bus. So how does the economy benefit me if 363 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: I can't if I can't read the benefits from it. Hey, 364 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: you know, it's a thing where you know, some people 365 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: are are at the bottom and they're not gonna starve. 366 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: They're not gonna go hungry, No, let go provive. They're 367 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: gonna survive. And hopefully they don't survive off somebody who 368 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: has investment in something or has you know, it's like 369 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: these you have to help. You know what I call 370 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: our you know, weakest link. You know what I mean, 371 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: the weakest link in our chain is our people in 372 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: poverty because they are hurting and frustrated and they can't 373 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: get the basic things they need to thriving this society. 374 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: And there's plenty to go around, but the greed that's 375 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: going on is keeping people from thriving in this society. 376 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: And it causes riots, it causes fresh stations because it's looting, 377 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: because it's things like that. And you know, you can 378 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 1: call the black community all kinds of names for the 379 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: things that they have to do to survive, but I mean, 380 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: you would do the same thing if you were in 381 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: our shoes or the same thing. Q. There have been 382 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: a lot of the monuments have been coming down Stonewall Jackson, Robert, 383 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: if you leave, they're taken down, the Confederate flag. What's 384 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: your thought on those? Do they go far enough? I say, Look, 385 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: symbolic gestures are fine, but tell me get down to 386 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: the meat, get down to the nitty gritty. What are 387 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: you going to do to help the minority community these times? 388 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: I don't care about I don't care now about no statue. 389 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: I don't care no about no flag. Yeah that's fine, 390 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: take it down. But I'm saying, at the end of 391 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: the day, if you take that flag down, if you 392 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: take those monuments down, and blacks are in the same position, 393 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: what have you done? You know, I think every gesture 394 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: in this situation count you know, would take the small 395 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: victories and the big ones. I don't think you should 396 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: promote traders of of you know what this country is 397 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: and what has grown to be. You know, we don't 398 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: have any you know, German soldiers or you know, we 399 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: don't have any that I know of, no Japanese soldiers 400 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: from World War Two who fought against us around Maybe 401 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm wrong and you know, so, I don't understand the 402 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: necessity for those you know, so I would love to 403 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: see him go. You know, do I have to see 404 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: him go. I'm not worried about it. I really would like, 405 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: you said, see some real uh systemic change that's gonna 406 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: really help people, you know, live a better life. You know, 407 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: that's the most important thing. Feeling good for a moment 408 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: or you know that, don't do anything. It's really about 409 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: what can we do generational because the situation that we're 410 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: going through, the wealth gap, is a generational thing, correct, 411 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: So we have to start to build generational wealth, correct 412 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: through ownership, homeownership, a business, ownership, being able to pass 413 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: some land, correct, being able to pass things down. That 414 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: is the true Promised land. But if you notice, you 415 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: they only remove these statues. They only retake down a 416 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: Confederate flag after tragedy. If you look at the Confederate 417 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: flag coming down in South Carolina, what did it take 418 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: Dealing Ruth to go into the church and kill nine 419 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: parishoners at Mother Emanuel. It took George Floyd. It takes 420 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: things you're not doing that out of the kindness of 421 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: your heart. See that's the main Yeah, and see What 422 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: they're hoping is that if we do this just a 423 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: little bit and then they'll get distracted and they'll start 424 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: talking about something else. They'll think about a car, or 425 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: a bag or a band, and they'll forget all about it. Yeah. 426 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the whole that's been the game. 427 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: It's to calm them down, hear them out right, give 428 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: them nothing, you know, that's the that's been the playbook. 429 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: You know. I know, you know you make a living 430 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: covering sports. But me, I didn't want sports to come back, 431 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, to me, you know, I want us to 432 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: deal with this issue on a why basis. I understand 433 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: it's the need, it's and necessity, but I really wanted 434 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: people to shut it down because until there's some kind 435 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: of economic threat, they'll continue to do the same play, 436 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: which is commers down here south and give us little 437 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: or nothing. So until we figure out economically to shut 438 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: systems down that don't want to cooperate, it will continue 439 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,479 Speaker 1: to happen because nobody's doing anything out of the kindness 440 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: of their heart. It's all will, political will, or you know, 441 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: the will of the almighty dollar. Right, So you you 442 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: don't believe that like the guys that are in the bubble, 443 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: the basketball players and they wearing the Black Lives Matter 444 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: T shirt and they say say her name to keep 445 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: mentioning Brianna Taylor the w NBA. Do you believe that's 446 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: had an impact? Do you when they kneel for the 447 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: national anthem, do you believe that like some obviously there 448 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of people in the black community understands 449 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: why they're kneeling, why they're wearing the T shirts. But 450 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: do you believe that that some of that is trickled 451 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: into the white community and they're asking themselves, we really 452 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: have a problem here in America that we really need 453 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: to deal with that we hadn't adequately dealt with before. Well, 454 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's it's working on a lot 455 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: of levels. Yeah, it is bringing a lot of awareness. 456 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's a double edged sword, uh, in a 457 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: lot of ways, because it is you know, keeping people 458 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: looking and seeing it visually, you know, in their face. 459 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's also you know, kind 460 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: of getting back to normal. And you know, back to 461 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: normal is a bad word to me because I don't 462 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: want to go back to before George Floyd right now, 463 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't I'm not trying to go back there, you know, 464 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: I just want to go forward. I want to go 465 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: to the future, and back to normal ain't the future. 466 00:29:53,680 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: So that's what I just don't gig back to normal 467 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: feel of it. But it is, you know, creating more awareness. 468 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: And you know, we get frustrated because things don't happen 469 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: as fast as we want them to. But I'm feeling 470 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: that a lot of people understand the need to change 471 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: that didn't even want to hear it, hear us out 472 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: before George Floyd. They do now understand that it's a 473 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: need for change because this protest went all over the 474 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: world and it's still going. It's still going, and it's 475 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: still growing and up in places where they thought it 476 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: was settled down. So you know, they know any little 477 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: thing can have people back in the streets and have 478 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: us back in square one, so to speak. But they 479 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: had four hundred years to try to figure this out. 480 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: But see, here's the thing. The problem, a lot of 481 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: problems that I have is this is that they always 482 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: will what do you want us to do? You never 483 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: you never asked the victim, well to tell the perpetrator, 484 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: Now this is what what could I have done? To 485 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: so make sure you don't harm me. What you could 486 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: I have done to make sure you don't victimize me. 487 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: But that's what they ask us, Shannon, What do you 488 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: want us to do? You put us in this situation. 489 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: Go back, go back to sixteen nineteen, when you brought 490 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: us here, robbed the fuzz our humanity, robbed us of 491 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: our dignity, robbed us of our name, robbed the fuzz 492 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: our religion, of our of our language, treated us less than, 493 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: told us we were less than, gave us nothing. Let's 494 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: go back. Let's start with that treat us. You say, 495 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: all men to created equal. You you hanged on the Bible, 496 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: you say, oh the Bible, say love that neighbor as 497 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: that self. You you, you, you, you do do all 498 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: this stuff. But then when it comes to a black man, 499 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: you treat it less than it. And you've always treated 500 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: them left dand but now you want me to tell 501 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: you how what you can do to make it right? Yeah, 502 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean it's part of what I call a stall game. 503 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: You know, It's like keep stalling, keep figuring out a 504 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: way to perpetuate the same thing. You know, keep the 505 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: status quo or whatever you give them, take it back systematically, 506 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, in the years to come, right, So there's 507 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: always been a trick, there's always been of you know 508 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: something where they could really pull back on anything they 509 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: give because it's people who want to perpetuate this system, 510 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: a system of white supremacy that you know has have 511 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: them feeling superior. And you know, people give you a 512 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: lot of things, but it's hard to people to give 513 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: you power. And that's what they have to give up 514 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of power because we're not power hungry people, 515 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're we're not people who just want to 516 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: run everything. And now we see we're people who don't 517 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: mind enjoying sometimes when other people run it as long 518 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: as we get what we need. And so I don't 519 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: know if that's a worry, but you know, exploiting us 520 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: is lucrative, and so a lot of people want to 521 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: keep those systems in place because it's lucrative. Because here's 522 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: the thing. Let's just say for the next four hundred years, 523 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: black people rolls the power and did to white America 524 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: what they did to black and other minorities, the Native 525 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: American communities. They're like, oh, they couldn't stomach it. You know, 526 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: it would never happen because it's not in our nature. No, no, 527 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: people like that, that's not how we're very forgiving people. Yeah, 528 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: it would never happen. So that's something that we couldn't 529 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: We couldn't conjure up something like that to uh, to 530 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: do people like that. So that that's a worry that 531 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: that they can just forget. They can sleep good at 532 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: because if you look at the situation where the female 533 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: police officer I think it was dollars and she goes 534 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: into the gentleman's house, both of them john, and she 535 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: kills it. And the brother at the trial walks over 536 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: and hugs her, says, I forgive you. Do you leave? 537 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: If the shoe was on the other foot, that would 538 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: have happened to you. You never know, man, You know 539 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: some people they break free of all this, you know this, 540 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: these chains of racism, So you never know. But I 541 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: know we are very giving people, and you know, we 542 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: just want to do something to be ce. Do I 543 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: have to forgive you to borrow? Can it take like 544 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: six months? Can it take a year? Me? You know, 545 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: somebody kill my people. I don't know if I'm gonna 546 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: forget it. But it's some forgiving people out here. It is. 547 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: I know, I know, you know, when it comes to 548 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: us as a people, if you give us our fair share, 549 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: we're extremely loyal and you know some of us won't 550 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: lead a job were standing in fifty years if you 551 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: keep us exactly. And so that's just the kind of 552 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: people we are. You treat us right, we're very loyal, 553 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: and you treat us wrong with a problem. So I 554 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: don't understand why they haven't figured this out. Before we 555 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: move on, you mentioned police reform. The police unions are 556 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: very very powerful to you. It's the problem death and that. 557 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: But these police unions are gonna be hard to break, 558 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: and I believe that is the prous of your problem. Yes, 559 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: I mean I love unions until they abuse the system too. 560 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: You know, people union up so they can you know, 561 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: make sure they're being treated fair by the company or 562 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: an employer or whatever. But when they get the numbers, 563 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: if they start doing the same thing, or if they 564 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: start taking advantage because they got the numbers and you 565 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: can't fire nobody and these type of things, uh, it 566 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: just defeats the purpose, and you know, they become the problem. 567 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: And so police unions, you know, you play with a guy, 568 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: did you play with Bill romomous I did play Romo 569 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: Romo when he was on your team. You probably loved them. 570 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. We we had issues because I think, and 571 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: you know the thing is, I would talk, I said, 572 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: and I was I was like Romo, a lot of 573 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: the things you do are unnecessary. But it wasn't until 574 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: the incident with J. J. Stope, which was the breaking 575 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: point for me. And although he did not do it 576 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: to me, he did it to a man that looked 577 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: like me, and I think, so we had a conversation 578 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: even if we had a team meeting to you, we 579 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: had a team meeting to god boy, that thing with Fraction. 580 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: I had to have a twenty thirty minute combo with 581 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: Romo outside of the team meeting because I was so 582 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: upset being Maybe it just hit me differently. I think 583 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: being from the South and having a man spitting your face, 584 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: especially a white man, it does something different to you. 585 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: It does something that that crossed the line. That crossing 586 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: the line. Let's go up to the games before that incident. 587 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: You know he would be when he played with you. 588 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: You know he got on the same helmet you got on. 589 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: You could tolerated a little, yes, okay, and on the 590 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: other team, you're doing it. It was like I was 591 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: doing an official with Robo was holding or grabbing someone's 592 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: faith mask. He on my team. It wasn't like I've 593 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: let in to the official. He's holding it, he's grabbed 594 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: his faith mask. So so it was just one incident 595 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: where you had to you had you couldn't let that 596 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: go because it was being football. Correct. Now, So I see, 597 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: you know the police, they're taught to win all the 598 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: civil rights stuff and I know my Constitution all that. 599 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: They want to go home at night, right, that's the 600 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: that's winning the game, right, So if they got a 601 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: couple of Roman nooskies, that's gonna help them go home 602 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: at night, they'll tolerate that, right. But when you know, 603 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: you know Bills. I don't want to drag his name, 604 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, when you got a guy his 605 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: plan a little outside the lines, you'll tolerate them when 606 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: they on your team, and you won't tolerate them when 607 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: they and not on your team. So what I'm saying 608 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: is sometime that mentality goes into the force and they 609 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: see a guy doing a little somebody, Hey, this guy 610 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: helping me make it home, and not after that, not 611 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: to cut you off. After that conversation, Romo and I 612 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: had a better understanding, and he knew and like I said, 613 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,439 Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't know what's in his heart, 614 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: but I think our relationship changed after he saw how 615 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: upset I was about that incident and and the things 616 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: that he was doing that I thought was unnecessary. So 617 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: he and I formed a referendship and a relationship after 618 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: that was a lot better than before, because, yeah, I 619 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: think he got he got the good stuff. Like you 620 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: know what, I might have a problem in my own 621 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: ranks if I continue this type of behavior. There you go, 622 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: he got some understanding. And it's nothing wrong with getting 623 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: some understanding, right, you know. That's what's trying to happen 624 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: here between the community and the police departm Like we've 625 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: had enough. I hope that they understand that, and I 626 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: hope they change and get the bad guys out the 627 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: ranks and then come to us with the good guys 628 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: who can still do their job. And every black person 629 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: I know something happened to them, they don't want to 630 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: call the police to get it settled. So this is 631 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: a situation where if they clean up the guys that 632 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: they send to us, it won't be an issue. If 633 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: they want these you know, these you know bullies, you 634 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: know these these racists, these dudes who they know have 635 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: no love for the community whatsoever in their heart. They 636 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: keep sending those dudes, it's gonna be pushback, pushback, push back, 637 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: because you think about it. You look at the police 638 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: department as a team. You look at a football team. 639 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: I played on a team. If you had a bad apple, 640 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: what did the team try to do? Que They try 641 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: to get them up out of there because they don't 642 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: want that to you know, to infiltrate the team. And 643 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: then you have especially if the guy as a leader. 644 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: If the guy's a leader and he's a bad person, 645 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: you really need to get him out of there because 646 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: what he can influence others. Well, if you if you 647 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: got officers that's been their team fifteen years and they're bad, 648 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: what can they do? They become influence on the younger guys, 649 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 1: and then when the younger guys get ten fifteen years, 650 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: what they've been taught the behavior, Now you keep a 651 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: cycle going. That's what happens, you know, and you've made 652 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: a good example while you gotta get it bad a 653 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: player that won't play right out there, the off the 654 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: team because what is he gonna do At a critical moment, 655 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: He's gonna cost you fifteen yards or more, you know 656 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: what I mean, At a critical moment, he's gonna cost 657 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: the whole team. And that's what's happening. These bad apples 658 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: are cost him the whole team. You got good cops 659 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: out there being called names and being harassed and not 660 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: respected because of the bad guys. Right Well, you know 661 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: for me is that James Baldwin once says it, like 662 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: the police officer he said, he might be a nice guy, 663 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: but I ain't got time to figure that out. All 664 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: I know if he got a badge and a gun, 665 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: and he can take my freedom and he can take 666 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: my life. So my job is can try to get 667 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: him on his way as quick as possible. But if 668 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: you assume every black is a threat, why shouldn't I 669 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 1: assume every cop is bad? Because you make that assumption, 670 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: I threat when we see you bring white guys in 671 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 1: that kill people that have a R fifteens, we see 672 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: our homes that shot up Denver the movie theater. They 673 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: take him alive. We see Dalan Ruth, they take him alive. 674 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: We see these guys that kill up that hoot people 675 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: in these playing parenthoods. They bring him in alive, a 676 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: guy they think, well, he made a suspicious move or 677 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: he had a cell phone and you kill him. Huh. Yeah, 678 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's the value on on our lives. 679 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: That's why we gotta walk around, you know, with a 680 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: slogan like Black Lives Matter. You know it's it's it's 681 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: the devaluation of black life from day one in America 682 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: that we're still trying to fight. I'm trying to figure out, 683 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: how are you nervous? How are you on edge? You 684 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,479 Speaker 1: got a tailor, a baton, a gun, a bulletproof vest, 685 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: and a flashlight, but you view me as a thread 686 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: in jeans and a T shirt. Shouldn't I be the 687 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 1: one that's on edge? Yeah, you should be the one 688 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: on edge. But you know when they you know, they 689 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: got something called qualified immunity you give, you give a 690 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: racist police the h the license to kill with no repercussions, right, 691 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: and they're gonna take that one day. Yeah, of course, 692 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: because because as you mentioned, qualified a mute, because they 693 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: Supreme Court says you have to put yourself in that 694 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: man shoot at that moment, not right now, at that moment. Well, 695 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: anything that he view they say, anything that's viawty of 696 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: the threat real or imagine shoe just imagine I'm in 697 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: the grocery store. Oh you gave me a bad look. 698 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: I filed for you. Well I felt threatened. You can't 699 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: do that, but yes, for the police you can. Yeah, 700 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: And it's it's ridiculous and it's getting a lot of 701 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: people killed. Yes, because officers are quick on the trigger 702 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: because they't know nothing that's gonna happen, and they kill 703 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: people they don't have to, and they know they're gonna 704 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: walk home and not get anything done to him. So 705 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: you put that in the hands of a racist officer, 706 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: you got a dangerous man a woman on your hands. 707 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the beginning. You growing up instead, 708 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: you grew up in south central LA. Yeah, And if 709 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: Cuban growing up, what did you what did you want 710 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 1: to be when you became an adult? Uh? You know, 711 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: when you're young, it's of course football player, play a 712 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: little full back, little outside linebacker. So you know, I 713 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: wanted to play football, and you know I really got 714 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: to the music young about thirteen fourteen, you know, we 715 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 1: started to you know, spray paint and pull out cardboard 716 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: and try to break dance and do all the stuff 717 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,280 Speaker 1: that we've seen everybody else doing. And so I started 718 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: getting into music real early. Never thought I could make 719 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: a living at it because all the professionals to me 720 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: was on the East Coast. It was in New York, 721 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: a New York driven game back then, and so you know, 722 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: I just thought, you know, I could just get a 723 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: regular job that just don't pay off. I went to 724 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: school for architectural drafting because I liked drafting when I 725 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: was when I was young in school. I ended up 726 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: after high school, ended up going to a trade school, 727 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: and so that was cool. But the music started to 728 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: take off, and that's really where my heart was, and 729 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,919 Speaker 1: I started to just wrong with it. So how old 730 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: were you when you joined the group and how did 731 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 1: the NWA come about? I was probably about seventeen when 732 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: I when I joined in WA. We we were all 733 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: in different groups. Everybody everybody without in a different group. 734 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: Everybody else was doing their own thing. So how did 735 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: you guys decide to come together? Well, a group that 736 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: that Dre was in called Directing Crew. Dre and Yellow 737 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 1: was in that group right, and they were kind of 738 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,919 Speaker 1: like they was making the most noise in La out 739 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: of all of us. The world last which the Recking 740 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: Creup World Class Wrecking Crew. So Linzo, who ran the 741 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: Wrecking Crew, really wouldn't let Dre do the hardcore records 742 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: that he really started to want to do, right, So 743 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 1: so me and Drey started doing mix tapes and I 744 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,000 Speaker 1: would do the hardcore raps on the mix tapes, talking 745 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: about the neighborhood. Well Easy with his Drey's old friend 746 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: got one of the tapes, trapped Dray down and was like, Yo, 747 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: you know I've been hustling on the street. I don't 748 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: want to flip some of his money, so I want 749 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: to start. I want to I want to have a 750 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: label and I want to call it Ruthless Records. And 751 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 1: so he had these groups that he was trying to 752 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: get on Ruthless Records. But but he asked me to 753 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: write a song for him. I wrote a song called 754 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood and the group didn't want to 755 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: do it because they was from New York. So Drey 756 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 1: convinced Easy to do the song. So Easy ended up 757 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,919 Speaker 1: doing Boys in the Hood the song, and he was like, 758 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: we should do an all star group. This is what 759 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: Easy said, we should do all star group. We'll take 760 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: the best out of you know, I'll be easy. We'll 761 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: take Drey and Yellow out of the record crew, will 762 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: take Q out of out of a group called CIA, 763 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: take QUB out of that, and then we don't, you know, 764 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: we just do the side group hardcore records, you know, 765 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 1: and then y'all can't go back and do you know, 766 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,399 Speaker 1: slow jams and whatever y'all was doing. So we ended 767 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: up doing that record, and man, it just started to 768 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: pick up a minium and it was just sounding better 769 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 1: and better and better. So we all ended up quitting 770 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,839 Speaker 1: our groups and just stay with art, you know, with 771 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: us forming this all star group. And uh, one day 772 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: they came to pick me up and Easy was like, 773 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 1: what we're gonna call you know, he was saying what 774 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna call the group? And I said, what we're 775 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: gonna call it? He said in wa I'm like what 776 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 1: that means. When he told me what it meant, I 777 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,399 Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, we're about to start some ish 778 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: right now. So you know, from there we just was 779 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: tight and we just was just figuring out what we 780 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 1: need to do to start making noise in the hip 781 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 1: hop scene. Did you know that when you joined this group, 782 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: you guys were going to become What you became is 783 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,359 Speaker 1: that you guys are really the originator of the gangster rap, 784 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: the hardcore rap. Did you know that at the time? 785 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,280 Speaker 1: Not at all. At the time, you know, we thought 786 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: those records were gonna be They had a section in 787 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: the record store what they would play all the dirty 788 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: comedy records like Richard pryor you could get Eddie Murphy 789 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 1: record over there, Red Fox. It was this dirty rapper 790 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: by the name of Blowfly Dolomite. You can get all 791 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: them kind of records. So we thought our record was 792 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: gonna be over there in that dirty section. So when 793 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,799 Speaker 1: they started to put it out front where all the 794 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: regular hip hop was and people just start buying it, 795 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 1: we knew we had a style that that was unique, 796 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,760 Speaker 1: that was different. But you know there was other people 797 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: who who was dibbling and dabbling and what I would 798 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: call gangster rap. You know, you had Iced Tea out there, right, 799 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 1: Scoomy d h. He had a song called psk Uh 800 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: and then you had you know, Boogie Down Productions had 801 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: did a record called Criminal Minded that he's loved that record. 802 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: So it was a few people who had dibbled and 803 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: dabbled in that style, right, I mean that became Iced 804 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,799 Speaker 1: Tea signature style. Think Iced Tea and n WA where 805 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: the first two real jump offs, and then the Ghetto 806 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: Boys came through, right, you know, and it was other groups. 807 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,360 Speaker 1: But but yeah, you know that's kind of how it 808 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: jumped off and that's how it started. So when you're 809 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 1: in a group, how do you determine who's gonna be 810 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,359 Speaker 1: lead on a particular song or is it like you know, 811 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,800 Speaker 1: like Teddy Pendagraphs when he was with you know, the 812 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 1: blue note, like Teddy was always out there was it 813 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: was you know, Harold Melbourne feature Teddy pendagraph and then 814 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: Teddy got bigger than Hal and then he wanted to 815 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: put him out. So how do you determine who's gonna 816 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: be lead on a song? I mean you got a 817 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 1: producer like Doctor Dre, who you know, usually arranges who's 818 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: gonna wear you know, what rhyme is gonna go wear, 819 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,440 Speaker 1: and so you know, just kind of leaving it up 820 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 1: to him. You know, he was a master at it 821 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: on who's gonna lead Some records, I would go first, 822 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: some records, Easy was on. He would go first and 823 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,879 Speaker 1: it was just really on him. Sometimes it determined who 824 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: wrote the rock, you know. You know, I wrote a 825 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: few songs that I was so long, and then we 826 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,920 Speaker 1: would just have Easy on at the end, Like I 827 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 1: did a song called Gangster Gangster and Easy just comes 828 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,280 Speaker 1: in at the end. So we was just being real experimental. 829 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: But you know, Drey was the lead producer. He would 830 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: kick you off that joint if you didn't you didn't 831 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: come with the right lyrics. You he'd be like, you 832 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: ain't on this song? You all? So, so Drey was 833 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,359 Speaker 1: really like Dray way back then. Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. 834 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,480 Speaker 1: You know, him and DJ Yeller were they was like 835 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,440 Speaker 1: mad scientists with it and Drey he was a perfectionist. 836 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 1: So if you didn't come with dope lyrics, if you 837 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: didn't come with a dope delivery, he would kick you 838 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,400 Speaker 1: off the record. Like getting almost records, so you so 839 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 1: you had to so basically you had the brain. He 840 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: you had to bring five Yeah every time you hear 841 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: the record, right, yeah, so the record is he and 842 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: then you know, so a few a few times he 843 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: sent us back to the drawing board. You know, he 844 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: was like, man, you know, I like the first half 845 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: of that rhyme, but the second half you gotta do 846 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,960 Speaker 1: a little say something, you gotta talk about something difference. So, 847 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, he was a real he was a great producer, 848 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,879 Speaker 1: and he just got better and better with each album. 849 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,439 Speaker 1: You know that he would do. He would just get 850 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: better and better. You know. Now he's you know, the man. 851 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: So anytime you have success and there's a group, eventually 852 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna be some bickering, They're gonna be some fighting, 853 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 1: They're gonna be some issues. Who's getting what, who's doing what. 854 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: Why did NWA break down fall apart? I think it's 855 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: really because, you know, Jerry Helen, who was the manager 856 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: at the time, was really loyal to Easy. You know, 857 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: Easy was his guy. You know, we were like, uh, 858 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's just kind of the group, you know, 859 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, and and so I just think he underestimated 860 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,239 Speaker 1: what we really meant to the whole you know, success 861 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:26,480 Speaker 1: of Ruthless Records, right, So he just was and Easy, 862 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, was learning the business basically at the same 863 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 1: time we were. When it comes to me, him and Ring, 864 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: we're all learning at the same time. Even though he's 865 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,360 Speaker 1: older and dre and yelling at me. The business a 866 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,239 Speaker 1: little bit more, but nobody was experts, you know, right, 867 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 1: so right people leaned on Jerry to you know, make 868 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: make things right. And it just was a you know, 869 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: one or two things that just didn't smell right. And 870 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, when somebody starts to, you know, lie when 871 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 1: there's no reason to, he just makes you suspicious, okay, 872 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 1: And then you know, the more you look, the more 873 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: you find. And you know, I confronted him and they 874 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: they'd rather, you know, make me the enemy, and instead 875 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,839 Speaker 1: of rectifying the situation, and so I left so when 876 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 1: you could you could run to Jerry Heller, the rest 877 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:34,719 Speaker 1: of the group turned against you. Well, Jerry talked too 878 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,839 Speaker 1: easy right and Easy. You know, he was the head 879 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: of everything. So once Easy was against me, you know, 880 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,879 Speaker 1: Jerry convinced Easy I was a trouble maker. So then 881 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: Easily started to talk to everybody and then you know, 882 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: pretty soon I was the eye man out at right 883 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,279 Speaker 1: end of the day. But they didn't kick you out 884 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: and fast I left. I left because I was like, 885 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: this ain't gonna work. They're not gonna fix it. You know, 886 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,279 Speaker 1: all he had to do is fix it. And what 887 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,839 Speaker 1: did Garry Heller need to do to make it right 888 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 1: back you. I think he was you know, at the 889 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,360 Speaker 1: end of the day, he was trying to give me 890 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 1: to sign a contract that my lawyer never read. Okay, 891 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: So to me, that's a bad business and it's a 892 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: bad contract. You don't want my lawyer to even look 893 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: at it. And you know I have a lawyer. He 894 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,080 Speaker 1: kept ducking me and saying, you know, I'll say it, 895 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: I'll send it, I'll send it. Uh before I had 896 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,879 Speaker 1: the lawyer. Before I told him I had the lawyer. 897 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: I had the lawyer, but I didn't tell him. I 898 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,960 Speaker 1: was just trying to get the contract. So I told him, 899 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,399 Speaker 1: I said, just send it to my mama. I thought 900 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 1: he was gonna think, all right, send it to her, 901 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,440 Speaker 1: saying I know what she's looking at. They're gonna sign it, 902 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,960 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get it back. But he wouldn't even 903 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,479 Speaker 1: send it to her. I'm like, man, damn, you won't 904 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,960 Speaker 1: even send it to her, right you know, So we 905 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,360 Speaker 1: knew something was fishy, Like he can't if he can't 906 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,120 Speaker 1: send us the contracts, definitely can't sign nothing. Were you 907 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 1: the only one in the group that had a lawyer 908 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,520 Speaker 1: outside of rufus record lawyer. I think so, but I 909 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: had offered that whatever my lawyer tell me, I'm gonna 910 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 1: tell you guys. And you know so y'all my lawyers like, 911 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,160 Speaker 1: y'all law y'alln't have to get a lawyer if you 912 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,040 Speaker 1: don't want to, I would advise you to. But but 913 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell y'all what he's telling me. So I would, 914 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, talk with Ran a lot. Me and Ran 915 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: the same age. We would talk a lot. Who was 916 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 1: the youngest in the group, right, and uh so Ran 917 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 1: knew everything that add that my lawyer was telling me, 918 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,680 Speaker 1: which was don't sign nothing, don't sign nothing, and so 919 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: it was time to sign. I was like, I can't 920 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: sign that. And it was the best move I ever. 921 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: Did you leave the group? You strike out on your 922 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:16,320 Speaker 1: own death? Did they did you first? Or did you right? 923 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 1: No vaseline me first? They did you first? Yeah, they 924 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,880 Speaker 1: dissed me on a record card one hundred Miles and Running. 925 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 1: It was like an EP that they released after straight 926 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,160 Speaker 1: out of Compton. It was a it was a disc 927 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: but it wasn't It wasn't like heavy hand. It was 928 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 1: like a line, like a little line. So okay, it 929 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,960 Speaker 1: back to him. I gave it back to him a 930 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: little bit on the jacket for Beats. Right at the 931 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,800 Speaker 1: end of Jacket for Beats, it's one line where I 932 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: mentioned one hundred miles and I have your hundred miles 933 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 1: and running right. And so when they did uh their 934 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 1: next record, they dissed me real good, you know what 935 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean, call me Benny to Arnold, all kind of 936 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:14,240 Speaker 1: all kind of names. So what happened? Okay, they dissed 937 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 1: you on the line, you kind of dissed them back 938 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,200 Speaker 1: on the line. Did you think it was over? Okay? 939 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,919 Speaker 1: You said, Jordan, I said, man, I'm done, let's move 940 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: on them. You thought it was over? Yeah, because I 941 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,200 Speaker 1: still liked them dudes. You know, they were still you know, 942 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,400 Speaker 1: I had a problem with Easy and Jerry, but I 943 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,600 Speaker 1: still I'm still cool with Dre and Yella and n Wright, 944 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:40,320 Speaker 1: DLC and them dudes. I was still hanging around. I saw. 945 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,800 Speaker 1: I was just surprised that they would like take again. 946 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,040 Speaker 1: So they dissed you heavy. I mean, they came with it, 947 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,400 Speaker 1: you like, I got to come back hard. How long 948 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: did it take you to write no Vassili? It took 949 00:59:54,560 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 1: me ninety minutes. Ninety minutes ninety minutes. So that so 950 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,120 Speaker 1: another word that had been brewing. You knew, you knew 951 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,560 Speaker 1: they were gonna come back. If it only took you 952 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,920 Speaker 1: ninety minutes, you knew they were gonna come back. So 953 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 1: you've been plotting, You've been lading and waiting. It wasn't 954 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: like that. It was I was. I was mad. I 955 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:19,080 Speaker 1: had build up, right, I was on a boat that 956 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:25,600 Speaker 1: the one of the heads of Priority Records. He took 957 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 1: me on a boat because you know, I had went 958 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,440 Speaker 1: in there with a bat and and like tore up 959 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:38,720 Speaker 1: the company, like right, So we was trying to smooth 960 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,919 Speaker 1: things out. So he was saying, I want to play 961 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 1: this for you. I want to be the first one 962 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,880 Speaker 1: to play it for you. And he played me to 963 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 1: this that they did to me. But we still had 964 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,560 Speaker 1: two or three hours on this boat, which I didn't 965 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: want to be on no more. I was like, man, 966 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,919 Speaker 1: take me back. I'm ready to ride a rhyde take 967 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,720 Speaker 1: me back. So I had like two or three hours 968 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: to build up. For about a time I got to 969 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:15,640 Speaker 1: my room, to my equipment, pain and pad. It just 970 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,320 Speaker 1: all came out and I got interrupted a few times. 971 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,280 Speaker 1: So it probably would I probably would have wrote it faster. 972 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 1: My sister didn't interrupt me a few times. So how 973 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,960 Speaker 1: was your style different than Easy, different than Drade? What 974 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,919 Speaker 1: was your style? I mean who who did you draw inspiration? Bro? Yeah? 975 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 1: I used to like hardcore rhynders. You know, I would 976 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 1: like Mellie Mail like a iced tea caress One Chuck 977 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 1: D Run from un DMC. You know the ferocious rappers, 978 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: the riders that that really kind of came at you. 979 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,880 Speaker 1: You know, it was a style that you know, those 980 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 1: different styles floating around, you know rock Him and EPM 981 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:11,520 Speaker 1: dy Usher than that's that that calm, you know style 982 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,720 Speaker 1: of rhyman where you didn't have to be as ferocious 983 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 1: in the mine. And you know, then you had the 984 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,640 Speaker 1: rappers who were smooth, you know, the heavy ds of 985 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 1: the world, you know, salting Peppers, you know people who 986 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,680 Speaker 1: were you know, just a little more style. You know, 987 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,400 Speaker 1: slick Ricks of the world who were and Dan and 988 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 1: Danes were super creative. So you know, so that that 989 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,840 Speaker 1: would be my style. You know that that Carras one 990 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Chuck d you know, ferocious in your face kind of 991 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,000 Speaker 1: hip hop. Who are you? Who are your top five 992 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,920 Speaker 1: greatest rappers of all time? And I just named them 993 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,760 Speaker 1: all I got. You know, it's hard to put him 994 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,800 Speaker 1: in the greatest of all time, you know, but but 995 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,440 Speaker 1: like our favorite m sees in the world are melody 996 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:18,960 Speaker 1: male because he ushered in you know, a serious you know, 997 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:26,720 Speaker 1: a commentary about the neighborhood heist tea. You know, a 998 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,960 Speaker 1: dude from LA who put La on the map when 999 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:36,200 Speaker 1: it comes to being you know, top notch pro MC 1000 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,400 Speaker 1: like like there was all through New York Chuck d 1001 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:50,360 Speaker 1: because of subject matter right and delivery carras one, you know, 1002 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:57,600 Speaker 1: once again styled delivery flow subject matter you know l 1003 01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,400 Speaker 1: coo J just to me the young femine. You know, 1004 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 1: he was all Lebron, right, yeah, you know what I mean. 1005 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,080 Speaker 1: He was all lebron just you know, sixteen seventeen, eighteen 1006 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,480 Speaker 1: years old, just at the height of rock, you know, 1007 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,640 Speaker 1: so and and had sustained it his whole career as 1008 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:23,240 Speaker 1: far as you know, just being able to you know, 1009 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:28,600 Speaker 1: transcend eras and you know he's still the man on 1010 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,640 Speaker 1: TV now, you know, and still can you know we 1011 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,800 Speaker 1: did uh this little see kings out of mac back here. 1012 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,760 Speaker 1: You know that that was you know l headline, me 1013 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Publican and me and day our souls so you know 1014 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,240 Speaker 1: that's that's like creaming the crop when it comes to 1015 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 1: hip hop. How different is it writing a throng as 1016 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,160 Speaker 1: the post to writing a movie? I mean, you failed, 1017 01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,400 Speaker 1: it took How long did it take you the right Friday? 1018 01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:04,600 Speaker 1: For If it took me about three months to write Friday? 1019 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 1: You know I had I had a help of course 1020 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,960 Speaker 1: from DJ Pooh, but also had had a lot of 1021 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,640 Speaker 1: help from from a manager I had named Pat Charbonet. 1022 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,880 Speaker 1: She's also a producer on the movie, you know, between 1023 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,520 Speaker 1: cool and her. Uh, you know about three months of us, 1024 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, me writing, sending the pages, then giving me feedback, 1025 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,520 Speaker 1: and you know, the process take about three months till 1026 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,280 Speaker 1: we had something we felt okay, this is a movie 1027 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 1: we can go shoot. So how long So it take 1028 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,640 Speaker 1: you three months to write Friday? How long would it 1029 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:48,000 Speaker 1: take you to write an album, A complete the song, 1030 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 1: an album? You know, I don't really put a time 1031 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,960 Speaker 1: limen on right now album, you know, I don't. I don't. 1032 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,120 Speaker 1: I just kind of go with the inspiration. You know, 1033 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,160 Speaker 1: when you've been in the game as long as I've 1034 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,240 Speaker 1: been in the game, you don't really want to reach 1035 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,240 Speaker 1: for inspiration. You want it to just come to you right, 1036 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, and then you do songs as the inspiration comes. 1037 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,360 Speaker 1: So so you might write a song, so it might 1038 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 1: take I write one song one day and then take 1039 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 1: two or three days off write another, or you might 1040 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,960 Speaker 1: go half a song. So it's not like you're just 1041 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,280 Speaker 1: fitting down every single day, putting pain the pad. No. No, 1042 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,400 Speaker 1: I think that's forcing it. And I think you know, 1043 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,000 Speaker 1: a song will come to you. And to me, the 1044 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 1: best songs are the fastest that you write. You know, 1045 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 1: if it take if it take you a long time 1046 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 1: to write the song, it's probably not as good as 1047 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,760 Speaker 1: a song that that you can write like that, because 1048 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's just to me, that's just how the 1049 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,760 Speaker 1: inspiration comes. When you've got a good song, it just 1050 01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,880 Speaker 1: pours out. When you're forcing it, you have to, you know, 1051 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,560 Speaker 1: dig it out. And I don't like digging out songs. 1052 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,760 Speaker 1: I like to I like to write a song, let 1053 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 1: it flow, and then go record it, you know, find 1054 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 1: the music for it, go record it, and then I 1055 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,400 Speaker 1: might sit on that song. I might sing on a 1056 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:19,640 Speaker 1: song for the year two three years. What yeah, yeah, 1057 01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:25,800 Speaker 1: because well, you know, put it out when it's right, 1058 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,680 Speaker 1: or when the time is right, or when the out, 1059 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, make that part of an album. Uh. You know, 1060 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to just throw songs out every time 1061 01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm finish them, right. Sometimes I like to keep them 1062 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,000 Speaker 1: and make sure that they first of all, I like 1063 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,520 Speaker 1: to make sure they're gonna stand the test a time 1064 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,800 Speaker 1: for me, you know, and then then I'll put them out. 1065 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:49,000 Speaker 1: So I got different, different styles and different techniques, but 1066 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,960 Speaker 1: always let it flow. How different is the rap game 1067 01:07:54,320 --> 01:08:01,160 Speaker 1: that you came up in compared to the rap game today. Well, 1068 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,840 Speaker 1: when I first came up, there was you know, people 1069 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:10,480 Speaker 1: who would usher you into the game. There was certain 1070 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,040 Speaker 1: avenues that you felt like you had to go through 1071 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:20,320 Speaker 1: to even be taking serious. So you know, people weren't 1072 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,559 Speaker 1: rocking around pressing records up, you know, just without without 1073 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,960 Speaker 1: really thinking long hard pressing you on the record, making 1074 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,560 Speaker 1: sure the record is is good enough to press and 1075 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,680 Speaker 1: just really running you through the ring. And before you 1076 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,000 Speaker 1: could do a record right, you know, as hip hop 1077 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:45,560 Speaker 1: came and more independent labels came out, that became a 1078 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:50,160 Speaker 1: little looser. So that was the game back then. Now 1079 01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,639 Speaker 1: you know, you could be in your own you did 1080 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,960 Speaker 1: the track, and you can put it out all over 1081 01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 1: the world. That man so there's really nothing holding a 1082 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:07,240 Speaker 1: hartist back from being creative. Uh might hold you back 1083 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,880 Speaker 1: from from chasing the money and finding the money, but 1084 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,400 Speaker 1: being a creative person and putting something out in the world, 1085 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,120 Speaker 1: nothing is holding you back. And when we were coming up, 1086 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:24,479 Speaker 1: it would be obstacles that if you didn't cross, or 1087 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:29,519 Speaker 1: it was threshold you didn't you didn't cross, you wasn't 1088 01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,960 Speaker 1: going to be heard or seen. You're just gonna have 1089 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,160 Speaker 1: a demo. So it's just a new game, man. You know, 1090 01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:40,000 Speaker 1: anybody can to be creative and put our music. So 1091 01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,000 Speaker 1: do you need a record label, do you need a deal? 1092 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: Or can you do all of that on your own? 1093 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,240 Speaker 1: You know, everything is promotion and you can do it 1094 01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,760 Speaker 1: on your own. But if you don't really have the 1095 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:59,599 Speaker 1: money to promote it, it's gonna be a big uphill battle, 1096 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,600 Speaker 1: which is finn. You know, some artists got to do 1097 01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,040 Speaker 1: what they gotta do, right. Most artists want to be 1098 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,680 Speaker 1: discovered by the label and and a lot of a 1099 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,760 Speaker 1: little or the dirty work is done for you, right, 1100 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 1: and you kind of come in on a different plateau, right, 1101 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,160 Speaker 1: and so you can try to go up from there. 1102 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:22,479 Speaker 1: So but to me, it's no magic formula, man, you know, 1103 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,920 Speaker 1: Soldier Boy became a star from creating that, you know, 1104 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,360 Speaker 1: the Superman in his room, right, you know, and so 1105 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,720 Speaker 1: there's nothing that that can hold you back if you're 1106 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 1: super creative and people just got to hear your stuff, 1107 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you got that time make yourself known. 1108 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,400 Speaker 1: You obviously you've been in the game and you understand 1109 01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,320 Speaker 1: the game. But it seems to be now that the 1110 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,680 Speaker 1: rappers and the artists today like realize that only your 1111 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,280 Speaker 1: masters's where it's at. And it seems to me that 1112 01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,439 Speaker 1: they're trying to incorporate that. Whereas before, guys, I just 1113 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:01,960 Speaker 1: want to I just want to produce, I just want 1114 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,240 Speaker 1: to sing, I want to do music. I want to 1115 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,720 Speaker 1: get an album out, and they forgot about that. Is 1116 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,240 Speaker 1: that worth? Is that worth hitting? Now? Well? I mean, 1117 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you really look back and think about it, 1118 01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, most people come in the game and not 1119 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,599 Speaker 1: even think about masters or thinking of think about They 1120 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: just want to be on the radio, they want to 1121 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,960 Speaker 1: be at the cancer, they want to do a video, 1122 01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, do those things. And once you're in the 1123 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,200 Speaker 1: game a little while, you realize, you know, why is 1124 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,640 Speaker 1: everybody getting money except me? And then you realize if 1125 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,799 Speaker 1: you don't own the masters or the publishing, the money's 1126 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,200 Speaker 1: gonna go elsewhere. But I think artists have discovered that 1127 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,080 Speaker 1: from the beginning of the time. You know, you have 1128 01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,680 Speaker 1: artists going all the way back and fighting for their masters. 1129 01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,840 Speaker 1: You know, you have artists, you know, they come into 1130 01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:59,080 Speaker 1: game owning their masters, you know, like the Masterpiece of 1131 01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:04,200 Speaker 1: the World and uh uh Luke, you know, Luke Skywalker, 1132 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Luke Campbell, Luke the Campbell owning his master's easy, you know, 1133 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:14,720 Speaker 1: owned his masters. So you know, death Row and and 1134 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,360 Speaker 1: and you know, I believe James Brown owned a lot 1135 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,360 Speaker 1: of his masters. So artists have fought for this from 1136 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of the time. But it's just you know, 1137 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,880 Speaker 1: either have the leverage to to get it or you don't. 1138 01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,000 Speaker 1: If you, you know, are doing something on your own 1139 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,560 Speaker 1: and they come to you and need to get it 1140 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,400 Speaker 1: from you, like they had to do with Master p 1141 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,240 Speaker 1: who's doing his own thing, then you can walk in 1142 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,360 Speaker 1: there owning your masters from day one. You know, if 1143 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:49,000 Speaker 1: you go sign with a label, they're gonna own the 1144 01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,040 Speaker 1: masters because they're putting up all the risk. So it 1145 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,280 Speaker 1: depends on you know, independent there's a hard way, but 1146 01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:01,560 Speaker 1: you you start off own and that's the key, owning ownership. 1147 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,000 Speaker 1: So I think it's something artists can always fight for, 1148 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, to the end of end of music. So 1149 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,519 Speaker 1: what who do you like today? If you're in your car, 1150 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,840 Speaker 1: you're riding around, who are you listening to? Man? You know, 1151 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,240 Speaker 1: thank god I got the eye, uh you know that 1152 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 1: the iPad, so I can listen to oldies. I'm listening 1153 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,800 Speaker 1: to everything. That's what's cool. You know, I can listen 1154 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:29,040 Speaker 1: to everything right now. And you know I'm still you know, 1155 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,160 Speaker 1: bumping that easy Brother's greatest hits. So you know, I 1156 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,160 Speaker 1: ain't really worried about the new artists right now. That's 1157 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,200 Speaker 1: how I listened to the grooves. I listen to the 1158 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,000 Speaker 1: old stuff, but I ain't got it there anymore. Cube, 1159 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,320 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna even like, don't worry about it. Man, 1160 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,519 Speaker 1: you know, you know what you like and man, as 1161 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,360 Speaker 1: long as it's still around, then then you're a happy man. 1162 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,320 Speaker 1: You're doing the music. You're good in the music. When 1163 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:58,160 Speaker 1: did you know you wanted to do acting? I didn't know, 1164 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, I was just stubborn by John Singleton. He 1165 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:07,439 Speaker 1: really saw me, you know, as dough boy, and he 1166 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,760 Speaker 1: saw me like, yo, I'm doing this movie and you 1167 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,200 Speaker 1: perfect for it. And that's how he came at me. 1168 01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:18,160 Speaker 1: And for two years I kind of didn't take him 1169 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: serious until he finally sent a script and and when 1170 01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,479 Speaker 1: I walked in and saw that he was actually shooting 1171 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,960 Speaker 1: this movie, that's the first time I said, okay, okay, damn, 1172 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:36,000 Speaker 1: I I guess I'm gonna be an actor. And so, uh, 1173 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, thank God for John Singleton, rest in peace 1174 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,400 Speaker 1: that he uh, you know, he pursued me, you know, 1175 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,360 Speaker 1: and he did that with a lot of dudes. You know, 1176 01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:53,880 Speaker 1: busting rhymes put him in a movie, and you know, 1177 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:58,080 Speaker 1: he worked a lot with too Pok. So he he 1178 01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,960 Speaker 1: was always going to the artists, and you know, they 1179 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,800 Speaker 1: put Jane Jackson in the movie. He always saw in 1180 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:11,120 Speaker 1: artists movie stars. And you know, thank god, even Tyrese. 1181 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,160 Speaker 1: You you put Tyrese in the movie who came from music. 1182 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,160 Speaker 1: So this dude just saw something in us as entertainers 1183 01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:27,000 Speaker 1: and stepped up and made us movie stars. So once 1184 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,800 Speaker 1: you got cast in that movie, the acting bug hit 1185 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,720 Speaker 1: it bit. Yes, yeah, man, I mean boys in the Head. 1186 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,880 Speaker 1: This is my first movie. The movie went to the 1187 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,800 Speaker 1: can Film Festival in the South of France, right so 1188 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, we young, and I got my wife with me, 1189 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,439 Speaker 1: see my girlfriend at the time. But we're in the 1190 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:53,760 Speaker 1: South of France. Man, you live loved life right now. Man, 1191 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, I'm a movie star. You know. 1192 01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:01,680 Speaker 1: It's like ROSI and we did a screening. I was 1193 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,000 Speaker 1: nervous at the screening because here we was showing a 1194 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,200 Speaker 1: movie that I wasn't sure that America would get, you know, 1195 01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,320 Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood. Here it was about to be 1196 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,519 Speaker 1: shown with subtitles in French. So I'm like, oh, you know, 1197 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,080 Speaker 1: these people ain't gonna understand what this movie is really 1198 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:24,000 Speaker 1: trying to say. Eddie Murphy was there, Quincy Jones was there, 1199 01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,519 Speaker 1: and they showed a movie and we get a Standing 1200 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:35,200 Speaker 1: innovation man, And so I was like, okay, this the 1201 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,240 Speaker 1: movie has power that the music has. It has the 1202 01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,840 Speaker 1: power to show people a world that that they have 1203 01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,880 Speaker 1: never seen before. So from then on, I wanted to 1204 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:51,320 Speaker 1: do movies. But one is through worth, the other through picture. Yeah, 1205 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,560 Speaker 1: but there's you know, I do music, but when it 1206 01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,639 Speaker 1: comes to movies, there's no bigger canvas and artists can 1207 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,000 Speaker 1: can paint on the you know, in a movie screen. 1208 01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,559 Speaker 1: When you say you took you took your three months 1209 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,040 Speaker 1: to write Friday. Did you know Friday was gonna be Friday? 1210 01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,960 Speaker 1: I was hoping it would. You know, when you grow 1211 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,040 Speaker 1: up in the Hood, you got your classics, you got 1212 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,960 Speaker 1: your yeah, you know, your uptas Saturday Nights, you got 1213 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,640 Speaker 1: your coolie hides. Yep, you know what I mean. You 1214 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:28,879 Speaker 1: got car wash movies, car washs. These movies are kloeen. 1215 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,560 Speaker 1: That's just staples in your in your household. You know that, 1216 01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, these are movies that that your family love, 1217 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,320 Speaker 1: you love you can watch over and over again. Right, So, 1218 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,040 Speaker 1: right when I start getting in the movies, I said, man, 1219 01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,080 Speaker 1: we need a Hood classic. We need we need one 1220 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,800 Speaker 1: of the movies that they love us for Like we 1221 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:54,200 Speaker 1: love car Washing, right, we love you know ron On 1222 01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,600 Speaker 1: Neil Right, they're super flyer. He was a king, you 1223 01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,200 Speaker 1: know to us. You know. So so we was like, man, 1224 01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,599 Speaker 1: we gotta have one of those. You know. I felt 1225 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood was a good a good one, 1226 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,840 Speaker 1: but I wanted one that was a comedy that that 1227 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,880 Speaker 1: people can laugh and have fun with. So we went 1228 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,439 Speaker 1: out to write Friday for it to be that Hood classic. 1229 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,559 Speaker 1: We never knew that there would be so many people 1230 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,200 Speaker 1: around the world that would love that. That that real 1231 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:27,560 Speaker 1: Hood classic. You know, Brouh Friday is the godfather of 1232 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,360 Speaker 1: the Hood classics. If every if it everybody's top five, 1233 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter that's in the top when 1234 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,400 Speaker 1: you say, okay, give me a top five. You know, 1235 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:40,320 Speaker 1: when we talk amongst ourselves, Friday is in there. Friday 1236 01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:44,040 Speaker 1: in there. People like Friday and House Party. I love 1237 01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,960 Speaker 1: Players Club. I bet hey, but you gotta you gotta have. 1238 01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,559 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the people that you've cast. 1239 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,439 Speaker 1: You've casted some great comedians. You had Bernie Matt, you 1240 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:58,680 Speaker 1: had Witherson John Witherspoon when you did you and this 1241 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,559 Speaker 1: was before Bernie Mac came Bernie Matt. Yeah, I mean 1242 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,800 Speaker 1: I love to put people in a position to win 1243 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:16,240 Speaker 1: and so they can showcase their talent. You know, Russell 1244 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,519 Speaker 1: Simmons was doing it with Death Comedy Jam, you know, 1245 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,280 Speaker 1: introducing a lot of people who you probably would never 1246 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,560 Speaker 1: see unless you went to a black comedy club. You know. 1247 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:32,080 Speaker 1: So I saw Bernie on and Chris Tucker on that 1248 01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,960 Speaker 1: Death Comedy Jam, and I'm like, man, these dudes need 1249 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,439 Speaker 1: to be an emotion pitch. If I ever have power 1250 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,960 Speaker 1: to do a movie, I'm putting these dudes in the movie. 1251 01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,800 Speaker 1: And I saw the same thing with Jamie Fax with 1252 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,559 Speaker 1: Players Club, you know, and I'm one of the first 1253 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,760 Speaker 1: guys to kill Jamie in the movie. So you know, 1254 01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,680 Speaker 1: I just would see these you know, hilarious people that 1255 01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:00,559 Speaker 1: I thought, like, yo, I'm not a comedian, so I'm 1256 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:05,200 Speaker 1: gonna surround myself body's top comedians and let them go 1257 01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 1: off and let them do their things. See that's the key, 1258 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,880 Speaker 1: Like if I was a comedian, I was feel intimidated 1259 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,600 Speaker 1: by how many laughs this one is getting in, that 1260 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,360 Speaker 1: one is getting it, So I would suppress that, make 1261 01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,800 Speaker 1: sure I was getting on the laughs. But by me 1262 01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,920 Speaker 1: not worrying about that, I let this guys shine, you know, 1263 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:30,479 Speaker 1: for Cat Williams, my gaps. You know, just let them 1264 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,640 Speaker 1: go and blow and do their thing, and you know 1265 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,439 Speaker 1: they're going on to have great careers, man, and I'm 1266 01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,960 Speaker 1: really proud of But the thing about a comedian is 1267 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,679 Speaker 1: that they really at that beast when they add live 1268 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,519 Speaker 1: with the improvisation. So how much do you let them 1269 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:51,200 Speaker 1: go as opposed to what you've actually written. I always, 1270 01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, think you gotta start with a great script. 1271 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,400 Speaker 1: You know, if the script is not making you laugh 1272 01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:01,400 Speaker 1: out loud. You should keep writing because a comedian a 1273 01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,599 Speaker 1: great comedian and not only take that line you wrote, 1274 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,720 Speaker 1: but he'll piggyback off that and continue to ride with 1275 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,599 Speaker 1: the ad libs. So if you give him a great 1276 01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,200 Speaker 1: jump off point, then they'll start running with the ad 1277 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,000 Speaker 1: libs and then they'll come back to the script. Right, 1278 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,759 Speaker 1: And so that's the that's the key to my movies. 1279 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:27,720 Speaker 1: And so I would say about seventy percent of it 1280 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:32,320 Speaker 1: is written, but thirty percent is you know, letting guys 1281 01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,040 Speaker 1: do what they do. Because when I look at when 1282 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,000 Speaker 1: I look at Bernie Mack and playing Dollar Bill in 1283 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,519 Speaker 1: the Players Club, yeah, he and Jamie Foxx playing Blue 1284 01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:48,440 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. You know, that's one of the most underrated 1285 01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:53,439 Speaker 1: performances of Bernie Mack in the Players Club. He went off, 1286 01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:58,080 Speaker 1: they went off, you know. And so I wrote the 1287 01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,160 Speaker 1: movie with him in mind. You know, I didn't. I 1288 01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:05,960 Speaker 1: didn't have nobody else in my head, but uh but Bernie, right, yeah, 1289 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,760 Speaker 1: And I'm glad he took it and he ran with it. 1290 01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,960 Speaker 1: And no, I'm just proud probably to be a part 1291 01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,920 Speaker 1: of their career and proud to show people, you know 1292 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,880 Speaker 1: what they got. You mentioned you put a lot of guys, 1293 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,480 Speaker 1: from Jamie Foxx to Bernie Macncat Williams to John Witherspoon, 1294 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:30,439 Speaker 1: Michael Clark, Duncan began Good U, T J. Johnson. I mean, 1295 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,720 Speaker 1: there's so many. I mean, I'm thinking back. That might 1296 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,800 Speaker 1: have been their first pace in the movie business. It 1297 01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,600 Speaker 1: is when you put them over. Yeah, I mean we 1298 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,439 Speaker 1: was learning together, you know, it's it's their talent. Really, 1299 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,160 Speaker 1: they put him on, you know, I just thank god 1300 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,000 Speaker 1: I was in a position to showcase it right, and 1301 01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, I look at him and 1302 01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,639 Speaker 1: I see them doing their thing, you know, and I'm 1303 01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm extremely proud that they were able to take that 1304 01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,040 Speaker 1: run with it. The only thing I hate, Cube is that, 1305 01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,200 Speaker 1: uh Chris Tucker got so big he didn't come back 1306 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:12,439 Speaker 1: with number two, but that the one. I don't know. 1307 01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if somebody's gonna ever come out with 1308 01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,679 Speaker 1: a Hood classic better than Friday, I don't know, because 1309 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it. I really don't hate, 1310 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,960 Speaker 1: you know. Like I said, we did that movie in 1311 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,280 Speaker 1: twenty days and it was magic. Every day, Like every 1312 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,880 Speaker 1: day we felt like, damn, this is special, you know, 1313 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,920 Speaker 1: it's like because everybody, everybody is funny in the movie, 1314 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,000 Speaker 1: from from from from Smokey to you, to to Dad 1315 01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:45,679 Speaker 1: to a big worm to uh, Smokey's mom. Everybody is funny. Yeah, 1316 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,760 Speaker 1: everybody got a chance to do the thing. And it 1317 01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,479 Speaker 1: was beautiful to do and and and to see it. 1318 01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,920 Speaker 1: You know, this is the first movie that I ever 1319 01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,599 Speaker 1: wrote and produced, so it was it was new to us, 1320 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:05,719 Speaker 1: and and so we were we were really just having fun. 1321 01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,559 Speaker 1: And and you know, lucky we had somebody as good 1322 01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,760 Speaker 1: as Gary Gray to capture it and shoot it and 1323 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,920 Speaker 1: direct it. And you know, we were just like, man, 1324 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,400 Speaker 1: this is this is a movie we want people to 1325 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:24,439 Speaker 1: watch every Friday if they want to, you know, kick back, 1326 01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,360 Speaker 1: and this is just gonna be one of those movies 1327 01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,920 Speaker 1: that you gotta keep in your rotation. If it comes 1328 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,880 Speaker 1: on TV, I'm watching it. If it comes on I'm white, 1329 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,320 Speaker 1: I don't care. I can't be flipping the channel. Then 1330 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden that movie is on because I'm up, 1331 01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,080 Speaker 1: say there. I mean, it's a special movie in a 1332 01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,679 Speaker 1: lot of ways. You know, it's a movie that most 1333 01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,840 Speaker 1: people don't detect, but it's it's the day the bullet 1334 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:52,120 Speaker 1: gets beat up and everybody remembers and loves that day 1335 01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,439 Speaker 1: when the bullet gets finally get it what he deserves. 1336 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,840 Speaker 1: So that movie has a lot of special specialness to 1337 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,240 Speaker 1: with just on other tips that people don't even really 1338 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,840 Speaker 1: detect most of the time. Oh yeah, and Regina King 1339 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,240 Speaker 1: was in the movie. The a longer than the movie. Yeah. 1340 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,519 Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question. When you have 1341 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:18,360 Speaker 1: such great success and you write Friday and it's beloved, 1342 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,720 Speaker 1: do you run into the things like I gotta write 1343 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,400 Speaker 1: another Friday? Because a lot of people say what happened 1344 01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,640 Speaker 1: to Michael is that when he wrote Thriller, he was 1345 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,080 Speaker 1: always looking for the next album to sell twenty five million. 1346 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,640 Speaker 1: And that's not always the case. Sometimes you have it, 1347 01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,519 Speaker 1: you have you write something, you do something that you're 1348 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,840 Speaker 1: never gonna be recreated, and you have to be okay 1349 01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,640 Speaker 1: with that. That doesn't mean you stop trying, but that 1350 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,880 Speaker 1: means you have to be okay with that. Yeah, you know, 1351 01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,320 Speaker 1: sometimes it's a moment in time right now, you catch 1352 01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,920 Speaker 1: lighting in the bottle as they say, you know, I 1353 01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,320 Speaker 1: had violent mont to even do another Friday, but the 1354 01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,760 Speaker 1: fans had loved it so much right that I said, Well, 1355 01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,920 Speaker 1: if I'm an entertainer. My job is to get the 1356 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,040 Speaker 1: people what they want, entertain the people, not just what 1357 01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,439 Speaker 1: I want, to give them what they want, right, So 1358 01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,760 Speaker 1: I worked hard at work, right, and you know the 1359 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:20,120 Speaker 1: next Friday, which introduced Mike Ups, you know, and and uh, 1360 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,720 Speaker 1: you know Peaky, you know all the other you know 1361 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:28,680 Speaker 1: characters that you end up loving. So, you know, but 1362 01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,400 Speaker 1: I never felt that I was chasing the first one, 1363 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,560 Speaker 1: even with you know the barber shops, right, you know, 1364 01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,240 Speaker 1: we did that. The first one was yeah, it was 1365 01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,280 Speaker 1: it was, you know, a home run epic in a 1366 01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,080 Speaker 1: lot of ways. But with two or three, I never 1367 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,439 Speaker 1: felt I was chasing it. I always felt like, I 1368 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:55,120 Speaker 1: need to do a standalone movie. So if one never existed, 1369 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,160 Speaker 1: two has to stand on it and be a comprehensive 1370 01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,639 Speaker 1: its own thing and not just borrow off the jokes 1371 01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,439 Speaker 1: from the first one. And so that's what I really 1372 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,439 Speaker 1: worked at doing, is making each movie standing on his 1373 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:19,040 Speaker 1: own funny and not just regurgitate jokes from the last one. Uh. 1374 01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,120 Speaker 1: You know, the only thing you're gonna see in all 1375 01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,080 Speaker 1: of them is you got knocked up out, you know 1376 01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. You see that in all of them. 1377 01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:31,560 Speaker 1: But for the most part, you can watch three and 1378 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,360 Speaker 1: never seen two or one, or you can watch two 1379 01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,519 Speaker 1: and never seen either of them and still and still 1380 01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,680 Speaker 1: enjoy the movie as as its own than I love 1381 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:47,720 Speaker 1: Rowie Fanclaus through Ricky Smiley. Yeah you know Ricky. You know, 1382 01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,320 Speaker 1: he a comedian. He wasn't used to doing all that 1383 01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:54,160 Speaker 1: physical comedy. So by the end of me whooping him 1384 01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:58,000 Speaker 1: with that Christmas tree, Ricky was about done with my ass. 1385 01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,360 Speaker 1: He was like, man, man, how many more times you 1386 01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:05,080 Speaker 1: gotta hit me with this trip? We gotta gave another angle, man, 1387 01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,200 Speaker 1: a couple more angles and we'll let you go. Man. Yeah, 1388 01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,760 Speaker 1: but he was the man, and you put Terry Crews in, Yeah, 1389 01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:17,680 Speaker 1: Terry Crews. I had met him on next Friday. He 1390 01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:21,560 Speaker 1: was doing security right outside my trailer and we just 1391 01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,400 Speaker 1: talked and he's good dude. And now I was like, 1392 01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,920 Speaker 1: you know what, if I ever need a big I 1393 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:31,519 Speaker 1: ever need a debot part two, I'm I'm gonna get 1394 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,160 Speaker 1: this dude. So when we when we thought of Damon 1395 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:40,880 Speaker 1: as you know, the landlord's son who just you know, 1396 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:46,360 Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, yeah, he's perfect, he's perfect. So 1397 01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,200 Speaker 1: what's what's next. I know the pandemic is going and 1398 01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,519 Speaker 1: so there's not a whole lot of production going on. 1399 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,839 Speaker 1: So what's next for Q? Is it? Is it a record? 1400 01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,759 Speaker 1: Is it a movie? What do you have on the horizon? 1401 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,439 Speaker 1: Got a couple of things, you know, up under my 1402 01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,439 Speaker 1: under my sleeve, working on something. I can't really talk 1403 01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:10,280 Speaker 1: about it right now, but it's it's real cool and 1404 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,400 Speaker 1: it's on the music tip. But as far as movies, 1405 01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,800 Speaker 1: we we was in the middle of a movie called 1406 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:23,320 Speaker 1: Flint Flint Strong, you know about the Clarissa Shields who's uh, 1407 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:30,400 Speaker 1: you know boxing female boxing was her story and I 1408 01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:36,000 Speaker 1: was playing, uh, Jason Clutchfield, who who's a trainer, and 1409 01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,679 Speaker 1: so we was in the middle of that or just starting, 1410 01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,599 Speaker 1: so you know, hopefully we'll be able to jump back 1411 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:46,000 Speaker 1: on that song, finish that movie up. Talking to DJ 1412 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,720 Speaker 1: Caruso about doing another movie called The Killers Game, but 1413 01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:54,120 Speaker 1: we'll see how that come come about. So you know 1414 01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,360 Speaker 1: that that is like what I'm doing on the professional tip, 1415 01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,320 Speaker 1: But personally, it's really all about, you know, fighting with 1416 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,439 Speaker 1: this contract with Black American trying to get trying to 1417 01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,519 Speaker 1: get some freedom and equality for our people here, and 1418 01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just fighting that with all my heart. 1419 01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,599 Speaker 1: A few more thankful, I let you go cue. Your 1420 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,400 Speaker 1: son follows your footstep. I think a part of us 1421 01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,559 Speaker 1: all want our sons to do what we did. If 1422 01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,080 Speaker 1: you're a lawyer, you want your son to be a lawyer. 1423 01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,800 Speaker 1: You're a doctor, you want to be a doctor. I 1424 01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,080 Speaker 1: professional athlete. You would like to see him following your footsteps. 1425 01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,040 Speaker 1: Did you ever think your son would follow in your footsteps? 1426 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,400 Speaker 1: I never thought that. You know, I've never pushed my 1427 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,600 Speaker 1: kids to be a part of entertainment. You know, I 1428 01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,920 Speaker 1: think that's something that you It's a dream that you 1429 01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,479 Speaker 1: have your own right in your own and and then 1430 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,519 Speaker 1: you do what it takes to get it. You know, 1431 01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,519 Speaker 1: with this situation, you know, we had an opportunity to 1432 01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,240 Speaker 1: do the straight out of Company movie. Right I knew 1433 01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,680 Speaker 1: they were casting it. I knew I had took my 1434 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,680 Speaker 1: son on a lot of tours with me, and then 1435 01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,360 Speaker 1: he jumped on stage and he can he can wrap 1436 01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:09,640 Speaker 1: my songs, you know, not as good as me, but 1437 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:14,200 Speaker 1: damn there. And so I knew he had the chops 1438 01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,320 Speaker 1: and the personality to do it, but would he take 1439 01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,800 Speaker 1: it serious? And so I put him through the ringing man. 1440 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:27,120 Speaker 1: You know, two years of training and you know, acting 1441 01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,760 Speaker 1: coaches here in la and in New York and just 1442 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,559 Speaker 1: getting them ready. And he came through and he did 1443 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,600 Speaker 1: a great job in the movie. And really because he 1444 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,760 Speaker 1: looks he looks like you. I mean, I mean people 1445 01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,560 Speaker 1: they actually thought it was you. He sounds like you. 1446 01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he did a great job. Then he showed 1447 01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:52,000 Speaker 1: me he was serious, which is most important because you know, 1448 01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,479 Speaker 1: to see a finished movie is cool, but to see 1449 01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,080 Speaker 1: what somebody has to go through right actually do the 1450 01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:05,480 Speaker 1: movie is growing. And so he ran the full marathon 1451 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,640 Speaker 1: with a smile on his face and and happy to 1452 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,439 Speaker 1: be a part of the business. So as a family 1453 01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,320 Speaker 1: who was just real proud of him. And then he 1454 01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,320 Speaker 1: started to get more movies off of what he did 1455 01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,800 Speaker 1: was straight out of confidence. So you know he's a 1456 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,679 Speaker 1: bona fide actor. He working more than me. Now that yeah, 1457 01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,760 Speaker 1: I think the movie is Denner Thieves. I thought he 1458 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,439 Speaker 1: did a job of that. I think you yeah, he 1459 01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,760 Speaker 1: was great. Now, you know that movie was a little 1460 01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,320 Speaker 1: tough to watch for me because you got these these fake, 1461 01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:41,400 Speaker 1: fake police. But but but you know, in the end, 1462 01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,360 Speaker 1: you know he's the man. So I'm proud of him. 1463 01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,240 Speaker 1: You know, the whole family is you say that cube 1464 01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:49,599 Speaker 1: is that people look at the finished product. They see 1465 01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,439 Speaker 1: the movie. And that's what I tell all you do 1466 01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,320 Speaker 1: is see the people that with an athlete winning the game. 1467 01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,719 Speaker 1: But you don't understand the off season. You don't understand 1468 01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,000 Speaker 1: the practices, you don't understand the meetings what led to 1469 01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:05,240 Speaker 1: the winning of the game. Man, most you know, most athletes, 1470 01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,680 Speaker 1: I play the game for free. You're paying them for 1471 01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,760 Speaker 1: all that other stuff you got them to do to 1472 01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,800 Speaker 1: sending and you know, dealing with all the books the 1473 01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,840 Speaker 1: BS is, that's what he's taking the money. Folk. But 1474 01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,439 Speaker 1: you know most you know, most of the time, you know, 1475 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,680 Speaker 1: we enjoy to do the finished product. You know what 1476 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:28,040 Speaker 1: we enjoy showtime, game time right now, that's when we 1477 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,960 Speaker 1: know it's time to get the people what they pay for. 1478 01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:37,360 Speaker 1: And when you got that mentality, you always do your 1479 01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:41,679 Speaker 1: best and get hunting ten. And so that's the most 1480 01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:47,000 Speaker 1: important thing is is uh, we don't take the work 1481 01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,320 Speaker 1: for granted. That's why the finished product comes out the 1482 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:54,120 Speaker 1: way it does. Cuba had a coach if we were 1483 01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,360 Speaker 1: at meeting, and he said, what I love about Shark, 1484 01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,720 Speaker 1: if that shark would play the game for free, And 1485 01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:00,600 Speaker 1: I said, yep, Coach you're right, but I neven know 1486 01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,400 Speaker 1: if he played for free, because I don't playing for free. 1487 01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,320 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You know, if we're all playing 1488 01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,280 Speaker 1: for free, I love I love, I love some freedom. 1489 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,639 Speaker 1: But if we're all playing for play, I love some paydom. 1490 01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,000 Speaker 1: Exactly before I left, you go, Cube, I want to 1491 01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,479 Speaker 1: get you on this one. You know, Uh, I don't 1492 01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,600 Speaker 1: know how well you know Kanye. I think he's a 1493 01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,920 Speaker 1: great writer, he's a great his songs. I love his music, 1494 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,519 Speaker 1: or maybe should I say I love his music? But 1495 01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,320 Speaker 1: now he's running for president? What do you make a 1496 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:35,400 Speaker 1: Kanye running for president? You know, I think he, you know, 1497 01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,160 Speaker 1: started off a little too late, you know, for people 1498 01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:43,720 Speaker 1: to really take him all the way serious. And you know, 1499 01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,559 Speaker 1: I just hope that that you know, he's not being used, 1500 01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,879 Speaker 1: you know, and that is his decision. If it's his decision. 1501 01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,000 Speaker 1: You know, this is a free country. You can do 1502 01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,960 Speaker 1: what you want to do. But if you know people 1503 01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,720 Speaker 1: are pushing him to do it, you know, I don't 1504 01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,599 Speaker 1: think that part is cool. But yeah, I just think 1505 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,080 Speaker 1: you started off too late to really get in the 1506 01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,280 Speaker 1: gag for real. And so, you know, I think it's 1507 01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:13,000 Speaker 1: a moment that's gonna end up passing them by. Yeah, 1508 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,320 Speaker 1: what are the Lakers gonna do? Everybody's bullish on the Clippers. 1509 01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,280 Speaker 1: Everybody said, Clippers got this Clippers. The Lakers gonna go 1510 01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,519 Speaker 1: out in the first round if they play Portland. Everybody's 1511 01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,280 Speaker 1: saying the Lakers are going out in the first round. Now, 1512 01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,599 Speaker 1: the Lakers won't go out in the first round. We're 1513 01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:30,519 Speaker 1: not worried about the Zippers. You know the Zippers, you know, 1514 01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,479 Speaker 1: they they try to steal the thunder. They try to, 1515 01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:38,599 Speaker 1: you know, pretend like they got a squad that can 1516 01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,080 Speaker 1: really go to the home. Mind, I've never seen him 1517 01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,400 Speaker 1: do it. So you know, they gotta show me something. 1518 01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:46,160 Speaker 1: The Lakers are showing you that they can make it 1519 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,600 Speaker 1: to the top of the mound. So I'm believing in 1520 01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,599 Speaker 1: that old purple and gold. Your team is no longer 1521 01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,000 Speaker 1: in California, the team that you root for, that you 1522 01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:57,280 Speaker 1: admired as a kid. If you go to the game, 1523 01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:01,479 Speaker 1: you have fill real black, you have half, you have jacket, 1524 01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,000 Speaker 1: you have all the all the paraphernalia. Now they're in Vegas. 1525 01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,759 Speaker 1: What do you what's your rate is gonna do this season? 1526 01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:11,519 Speaker 1: You know, I hope they you know, at least make 1527 01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:16,240 Speaker 1: it to the playoffs. You want a good way, stop playing. 1528 01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:20,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna stop. We're gonna stop that. Uh them horses 1529 01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,519 Speaker 1: out there. Well, first of all, you know you got 1530 01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,519 Speaker 1: that that guy. They got a young quarterback in Kansas City. 1531 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,559 Speaker 1: But homeboy, people, we'll be a wild car. No, we'll 1532 01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:35,600 Speaker 1: be y'all not gonna even win nine games, y'all, not 1533 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:37,840 Speaker 1: even with y'all might y'all might not even win eight 1534 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:44,320 Speaker 1: games que every year. You know. Terrible horse shit, that's 1535 01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:49,800 Speaker 1: all I got. Now we all the time we do 1536 01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:52,200 Speaker 1: beat We beat you guys when we really didn't have 1537 01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,040 Speaker 1: even good team last year. Imagine we're gonna be better 1538 01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:59,960 Speaker 1: this year. He y'are coming in new stadium. What y'all 1539 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,479 Speaker 1: wipe the damn feet off and none of that horse 1540 01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,920 Speaker 1: stuff on your feet when you stepped into that new stadium. Okay, well, 1541 01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,400 Speaker 1: first of all, look, I mean, y'all should be used 1542 01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,400 Speaker 1: to playing in front of with no fans because there 1543 01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,400 Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of people showing up anyway, y'all 1544 01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,519 Speaker 1: keep moving. You moved to LA, moved to Oakland, moved 1545 01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,000 Speaker 1: back to LA, moved back to Oakland. Same thing. So 1546 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,320 Speaker 1: now you and we still got more fans, and we 1547 01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:25,200 Speaker 1: still got more fans than Broncos. Moving away. They still 1548 01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,800 Speaker 1: love us, They still love us. Man. We can't do 1549 01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:31,840 Speaker 1: no wrong. Thank you, Matt. I appreciate it all the best. 1550 01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,120 Speaker 1: Moving forward, Thank you for giving me a few moments 1551 01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,559 Speaker 1: of your time today. Enjoy bro and man double less 1552 01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,839 Speaker 1: man you the man man much love. Appreciate you, Appreciate 1553 01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:44,439 Speaker 1: your brother. Yeah, all my life, running all my life, 1554 01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:49,720 Speaker 1: sack fights, custle, pricing. One slice got the brother dice 1555 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,439 Speaker 1: swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life, 1556 01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:57,080 Speaker 1: all my life, running all my life, Sack fights, hustle, 1557 01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,960 Speaker 1: back prices, one slice got the broll dice this way 1558 01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,080 Speaker 1: all my life. I've been running all my life.