WEBVTT - Fire Drill 057: Geoff Ogilvy Previews the SandBelt Invitational 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.920 There's something about the sand Belt that just it comes 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.520 into its own when you've got a school k in 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:11.600 your pocket and you're playing Samny two half strike light 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:18.840 that dots in my head. Can't get jan nothing think 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:26.040 what I'm thinking about, can't get him out, not to 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:36.879 think what I'm thinking about. Hello, this is Alan Chipknuck 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.680 back for another Fire Drill podcast. UM have online here. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.760 Jeff Ogilvie from Melbourne, Michael Bamberger from Philadelphia. We wanted 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.840 to talk about the coolest event in golf. I guess 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.559 it's up there with a wishbone brawl we'll call him 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.160 one in one A but the Sand Belt Classic, which 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.560 Jeff is the host of and it was his inspired idea. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.720 I will be traveling down there with a couple of 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.760 other Fire Pits. Staff is Colton Neddler, Benny Westcott. We're 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.400 gonna We're gonna blow out. The cover is super excited 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.640 to be there. I love the city of Melbourne, I 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.640 love the Sound Belt golf courses. So we just want 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.560 to preview this this great tournament, get folks excited about it. Jeff, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.160 can you talk about what's gonna be new this year 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.280 in the second annual Playing of the sand Belt Imitational. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:27.080 We're playing four courses four days, so Kingson heath Royal, Melbourne, Yara, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.920 Yara and Peninsula Kings would the only difference in the 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.520 courses that we play the North course at Peninsula Kings 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.520 of this year, not the South course. Um. Someone say 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.520 that's an upgrade. I think it's just to move sideways. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.600 They're both amazing, so I think it's gonna be fun. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.720 Um it's a bit more dramatic to look at the 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.920 north So that's gonna be good. UM, a little bit 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.840 better field. I guess Cam Davis is coming to play, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:51.040 which is pretty cool. Presidents Cup player UM, and a 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.120 bunch of other kids that the kids have been lobbying as, Oh, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.360 you have to get in the tournament, which is pretty cool. Um. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.560 The parent parents are calling us and um, coaches are 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.440 calling us and now, so that's gonna be really good. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.840 We haven't really Uh, we've just elevated all the little things, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.280 you know, a bit like you mentioned the wishbone before. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.320 Every time that happens, it seems like it just gets 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.360 a little bit better around the edges. You know. The 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.720 concept has always been the winner, and I think the 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.640 concept of the sound belts the winner. Um, just elevating it. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.440 Better balls on the range, yeah, his books, better food 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.200 in the clubhouse for them, like a bit more of 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.720 an organized sort of system pre tournament registration where they 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.320 all turn up a couple of days before, but like 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.800 we do it Pebble, you know, a tournament, a normal 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.760 tour event. We'll register and they all get their books 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.200 and all that stuff and they're good. Eas We've got 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.920 a little goodie packs for everybody who plays, and shirts 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:42.560 for all the volunteers and UM links all of course. Um, yeah, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.440 it's gonna be good. Just elevate all those little bits 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.639 to make it feel just a bit more sort of polished, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.800 I guess. But the concept I think is the winner. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.400 I mean, you play four of the best courses in 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.160 a row, four days in a row, with really good players, 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:55.880 with people who just love playing golf and want to 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.200 be competitive. I think it's a pretty good recipe. Yeah, 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.280 for sure. And you know, in fairness, last year, this 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.679 it came together very quickly and you were kind of 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.519 building the plane as you were flying it, so, um, 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.880 you know, having an extra year to tide you up 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.800 to details was no doubt helpful. But there is gonna 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.480 be a team element this year, right, Can you talk 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.160 us through that? Um, there is a team element. Um. Yeah, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.680 we just thought we just had a bit of interest. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.480 I mean, we're not trying to obviously copy that other 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:31.600 thing that's going on. Clearly, Uh, there's interest in team golf. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.400 Everyone when they go play, they play for everyone. When 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.760 I go play at home and they play four balls, um. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.400 Roader Cup President scout for the best events in golf. Um, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.200 well outside of the sand Belt in the wish time. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.560 Like you said, UM, I don't know, it's just getting 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.800 four people and it's just it's just a combined score 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.040 and we're paying out sort of the best team for 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.080 the week, combination of like men, women, pros and amateurs 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.960 in a team, um, and just sort of their aggregate 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.560 schools all added up and how they do for the week. 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.280 So it gives maybe some of the players who aren't 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.920 having the best week, um, a chance to sort of 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.119 have something to play for on Sunday, you know, which 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:12.960 I think is pretty exciting. I think sometimes seventy two 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.960 whole tournaments get a bit boring for about the field 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.760 in the last round. And also I think it gives 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.120 a chance for the young kids to play with the 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.440 pros and be a part of the whole thing. And um, 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.039 and and pros team up together, and yeah it will 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.840 be I think it's really really it's a cool element. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.080 And I'm I'm big on team golf. I think we 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:36.000 play way too much individual golf. Um, don't get me 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.000 started on too much stroke play. But that's a different 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:42.240 that's a different discussion. But um, yeah, I think we 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.360 just added a team element where just just a few 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.760 just this there's is more interest on Sunday or that's 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.120 not going to be some day on the on the 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.760 fourth round, you know, and more things to follow, and 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.320 everyone gets a chance, it gets a chance to sort 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.400 of have two things to win, you know. Jeff Jack, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.120 Jack Nicholas has played his own or did play in 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.840 his own tournament for years. Of course Bobby Jones did 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.560 as well. Jack with more success than Bob. But what's 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.039 it like for you to play in your own event. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.520 You've got so many administrative things to take care of 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.000 and now you're trying to get a ball in the hall. Yeah, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.920 it's gonna be interesting. It's interesting. I mean, last year 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.919 I couldn't really focus too much on the Gulf which 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.159 is it's amazing to me that Jack, I mean Jack 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.240 one memorial a couple of times, didn't he I think, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:28.200 which is incredible. I mean you can think of one more. Um. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.000 I guess he had such a team around him by 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.120 the end that but after a while that he just 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.400 he didn't have to do so much, you know. But yeah, 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.400 it's difficult. It's gonna be fun though. I mean I 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.680 like the courses. I obviously get you get inspired to play, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.680 and we've just played a pretty cool Australian Open at 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:47.000 Kingson Nathan Victoria. UM and having a scorecard in your 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.120 pocket around the sound belt is pretty It's amazing how 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.919 the same, there's something about the sound belt that just 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.279 it comes into its own when you've got a scorecard 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.360 in your pocket you're playing seventy two half to play, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.200 because it's just every mistake gets amplified, but every great 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:08.479 thing gets amplified. I mean you can make a string 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.359 of six parts in around and be really really happy 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.320 with that, um, and then you can make a couple 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.000 of eagles really quick because it's kind of short, so 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.240 it's it's got a bit of that sort of Augusta 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.919 scoring side of things where it's really really difficult. But 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.600 the opportunities when they present there there, and they're really 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.760 good ones. So um, it's gonna be fun for different days. 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:27.880 Hopefully I can play well. I mean I didn't play 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:29.560 very well in Australian Open, but I played okay the 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.799 week before, so the golf is okay. But we'll we'll, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.839 we'll see. It's more about I just I'm probably just 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.400 going to be making sure everyone has a good time 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.279 and hopefully I can have a good score and not 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.599 not let my score affect how much fine I have, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.839 which is hard to do. You have such a keen 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.760 student of links golf, I've always sort of wanted to 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.560 ask us because they've never had the right person ask. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.120 It seems like links golf is built for match play, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.640 and here you are having stroke play events. Of course, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.000 it happens every year at the Open Championship, but do 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.479 you feel that at all? Do you feel like links 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.960 golf lends itself more naturally to match player than strut play. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.680 I mean, I'll controversial here a little bit, maybe, but 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:16.239 I think golf lends itself to match play. To be honest, um, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.280 I think it's a far more interesting opponent having another 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.640 person as an opponent. Stroke play, you're the opponent, you're 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.960 your own opponent. You beat yourself up your whole life, 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.240 basically trying to be better than who you are, which 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.520 obviously you can't be. Um it's the most frustrating sport possible. 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.200 But batch play, all of a sudden you have great fun, 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.240 you know, because you're playing against your mates, and um 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.880 it gets ultracompetitive and then you have a beer afterwards 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.600 or a coke or whatever you want to do. UM. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:48.800 I find matchplay infinitely more interesting than stroke play. UM. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.080 I think stroke plays a great thing to say, maybe 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.760 find out the best players in the world, and it's 0:07:54.800 --> 0:08:00.280 it's it's a great test of golf to play seventy 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.720 dollars around or Gust or the Old Course or Oakmont 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.680 or Pine Ers or Ray Melbourne or I mean, it's 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.800 a fantastic sort of started golf. But if I was 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.200 not a professional golfer, I would only ever played match 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.320 play for sure. I think it's just way more fun. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.280 So I think we should have more match play tournaments, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:18.480 but it clearly hasn't worked. So UM. I mean, look 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.800 at the President's Cup and the Right Car. I mean, 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.280 they are just that is golf at its highest level. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.960 I think when you watch those things so um, and 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.480 you're right links golf. I think the better the golf course, 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.480 the more it suits the game of golf in general. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.480 And I think match play is probably a better version 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:41.920 of golf. So ah um links, a better course would 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.760 do that better. I guess yeah. I mean, Michael and 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.080 I have had plenty of spirited matches through the years, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.200 and many holes have been one with a bogeye double bogueie. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.480 It gives you a reason to keep living when you're 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.600 in a match, and um, instead of just like bumming out, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.280 I'm not going to break eighty, I'm not gonna break 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.520 ninety or what ever. It is like that goes out 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.679 the window. Yeah, and you can give it. You can 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.080 give the two You don't have to put the two 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.800 photos if you don't want. Um, it's just it's a 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:13.000 more pleasant experience. I mean, when you're playing stroke play 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.680 golf just even anybody, but the handicapped thing baffles me 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.880 a little bit. You are basically trying to compare yourself 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.880 against every golfer in the world. Ever, every time you 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.840 play it, Like, what a measurable sort of thing to 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.200 try to do there. You know, um, way more fun 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.880 to just give. You have a bit of banter with 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.079 your friend and you know you may you hit it 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:34.800 out of bounds. Let's just go the next you know, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.560 you both got three fotos that you don't really like. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.000 Let's just go the next match player. You can play 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.719 the golf that you want to play. You know, you're 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:45.760 not dictated to the um restrictions of having to compet 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.240 yourself against every other golfer in the world that day. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.679 So yeah, I mean, look, it's a strug play has 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.600 its place absolutely to find the best player, but I 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.880 think match plays more fun and you you literally don't 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.240 have to get the ball in the whole. You could 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.600 just if you enough, you just pick up, which of 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.920 course everybody knows. But I mean this in the context 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.360 of the golf course doesn't have to be so perfect. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.559 You sort of need a perfect golf course for seventy 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.439 holds a stroke play because guys do have to be 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.920 able to finish the whole. If you've got crazy wind 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.760 or crazy course or crazy anything, you kind of can't 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.680 really do it. So match places like here's the course. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.040 If this hole doesn't work out, just you know, start again. 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.280 On the next So it's just it's less perfection oriented. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.400 Of course, Augustin National has had so much to do 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.920 with our obsession with you know, what constitutes a perfect 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.800 golf course. But I think we're I think you, Jeff, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.000 and we are onto something in this conversation about why 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:43.120 match play and links seaside golf is superior. Yeah, no, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.400 I I agree. Let's talk about the sand bell invitation, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:50.040 although um, just kidding, it's just the sand bill or 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.120 what run down the four again too, I knew what 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.679 were the other two? So Round one ks and Role 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:01.920 Melbourne West Course Yara Yarra, which is probably unheard of 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.120 from outside of Australia, but it's right next door to 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:09.080 Kingston Heath and Commonwealth and um right in the same 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.439 it's in the sand belt and it's a great course, 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.320 fantastic greens. It's sort of hard to stand out on 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.440 the sand belt members a bit like Quaker or something 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.800 next to Wingfoot. You've just got no chance, right, Um, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.679 it's it's just a brilliant course. And then Peninsula Kings 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.160 with West Sorry West Course, North Course and Pentinicila king 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:29.560 was a bit of a newcomer. Imans has been there 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.040 for a long time, but I had a big um. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.000 I generated a lot of money through a land sale 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.680 ten years back, and just it always obviously had the 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.240 bones are being incredible and now arguably there'd be a 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.120 lot of people who would turn up saying it would 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.040 be their favorite. I think it's incredible. I candy like, 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.120 it's very dramatic looking. It's in the best condition of 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:55.280 all the courses in Melbourne. I think, um, yeah, it's 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.520 it's a pretty special place p K North and South. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.559 So yeah, I mean for really really good courses. I 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.079 mean spoil that was the one thing that we got 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.679 out of last year we had. I've never been a 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.640 tournament director or like, I'm not a tournament director, but 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.920 I've never sort of put on a tournament. But I 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:17.440 don't think because I generally don't do this. I've done it, 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.880 but I don't do it very often. We got a 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.720 note from I think sixty nine seventy two players or 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.960 something saying, wow, Haggard was that please invite me next year? 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.960 You know that doesn't happen, you know what We're like, Um, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:37.480 so we're not very grateful usually. So yeah, we obviously 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.559 did something right and I think the coolest part about 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.960 it is there's a lot of ego in golf and 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:48.560 superintendents don't escape from that disease. So we had all 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.000 clubs in general, So we had Kingston Heath showing off 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.920 against Rayle Melbourne, against the Area against Pial, none of 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.320 them they all wanted to be better than the other one. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.760 So they all showed off, had the best pins, had 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.240 the course presented as well as they could. And I 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.200 think part of the beauty of the tournament is you're 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.120 always going to get these four golf clubs and supers 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.560 competing against each other because they want to be the 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.880 one that stands out amongst the really good courses, you know, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:19.439 So it's sort of guarantees cool conditions and cool set up. Um, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.440 it was brilliant. It was like playing Sunday He's trying 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.000 open photos in our last year. It was just it 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.600 was absolutely nuts. So, um, it's got everybody really excited. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.079 And as I said, we've elevated a few little a 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.520 few of the little things. It's going to feel more 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.640 like a tournament. I'm more like a polished up sort 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:38.760 of tournament. Um, now it's gonna be incredible. Well, Michael, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.280 you know, you know how modest are our co host 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.560 is here, but Jeff had a hand in in redoing 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.160 a big hand and redoing Princely Kingswood and um so 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.360 how stressful is that? Jeff? You're not only you know, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.440 only the the co host, but you're essentially the the 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:57.520 course redesigner. And um, if if there's a if there's 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.079 a if you pin or as you know, a hole's 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.719 not playing right because of the wind. And you know, 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.600 if you spent your whole life probably muttering under your 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.720 breath about the setup and the architect and now you're 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.240 that guy. So did that add any stress to your life? Oh? 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.439 Not too much. I mean pins are a bit interesting. Yeah, 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.439 we certainly want to check out the pins they want 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.680 to use. But see that's another I think there's a 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:25.000 little bit of Melbourne's got a track record just historically 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.400 if getting a little bit carried away with green speeds. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.760 I mean it's been happening for fifty years, um and 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.280 I think we finally got over it. Into early two thousands, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.080 we had an Australian Open where the greens were too far. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:39.640 It was a perfect day, it wasn't even windy, and 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.000 the balls were rolling off the greens. And I think 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.360 everyone's sort of all the clubs and the powers that be, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.560 and everyone had a bit of a time out and said, look, no, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.680 let's just have a really good time, and let's put 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.520 the pins in sensible spots and not have the greens 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.040 at seventeen. Let's just have a twelve and um so 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.480 because you can get these greens out fast. So I 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.520 think that's kind of a bit of insurance because because 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.320 they want their course to look so good, they're not 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.400 gonna want it's more of them look good. And there's 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.400 there's young kids in this field and guys and girls 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.000 and the whole breadth. They're not going to put the 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:19.640 pins and crazy spots, but we definitely are sort of ah, 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.320 keeping an eye on where they want to put the pins. Sure. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.400 And also there's a story to tell. It's an interesting 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:30.200 seventy two holes. When they're really set up, well, let's 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.040 say the Masters sets up. They set that up so perfectly, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.200 it's like a story. Right, It's a little bit difficult 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.320 on Thursday, and then they give you a chance on Friday, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.600 and they get really tough on Saturday, and then Sunday's 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.240 sort of got a bit of everything. And last night holes. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.920 It's just great fun if you're playing well. Um, it's 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.000 like a novel almost right. It's like this goes up. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.640 There's ups and downs of easiness and hardness and easy 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:54.240 pins and tough pins. Um. We kind of got to 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.880 try to create a little bit of that last year. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:58.560 I think if anything, it was it was a little 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.720 bit too hard every day because everyone was trying to 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.760 have their course at their absolute Sunday pins. Um. But 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:08.680 that's that's kind of an appeal to that as well, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.000 you know. So um, yeah, I'll try not to curse 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:17.880 out the architect and the designers and um, hopefully the 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.080 pins are all good. How many different sets of tears 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:26.000 do you use for the adventure? It's just too I think, Um, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.280 the kids, they're all pretty elite as you know, Um, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.960 they're all scratchy. I mean there's some incredible players fourteen fifteen. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.160 Some of the girls, I mean they're all most elite, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.960 world class anyway. You know what good girls, good girl 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:45.240 golfers can get. How quick they get really good. Um, 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:49.120 just men's and women's I think, ah, yeah, they're all 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.800 pretty elite. I mean it's I say kids, their kids 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:58.160 for us guys, Um, they're elite they can shoot under 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:03.920 par you know. Uh, um, yeah, I'll be good. I mean, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.600 and that's one of the aspects of this tournament is 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.440 really cool. Is so the animating spirit was to bring 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.160 together these different generations of golfers and it was born 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.000 in covid when a lot of the Australians didn't really 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.359 have the option to travel widely. So that mentorship between 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.639 the old grizzled pros and and these these elite teenagers 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.760 who are trying to trying to make their way. Do 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.560 you have any favorite stories, Jeff about some of the 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.880 relationships that that were born at the event last year 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.080 and they have carried on now and um and how 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:39.320 they've these young players careers and lives have been improved. Yeah. 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.119 I don't have any specific stories. It's just such a 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.440 cool uh because when I mean, if if you sort 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.320 of asked me when I got back to us Try 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.200 a few years ago, Um, I just wanted to spend 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.320 a bit of Timmy and people ask me, all, you're 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.960 gonna sort of help out a little bit with golf, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.640 and I'm like, I thought about it a little bit 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.040 and I thought, well, when I was a kid, what 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.439 what can I sort of provide that wasn't that I 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.080 didn't have that would be great, and it was playing 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.240 with people like me. You know, there've been, always been, 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.480 and that kind of still is really engulfed around the world. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.280 I think it is. An amateur pro divide is quite 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:19.960 it's kinde of solid wall, you know, and you generally 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.320 when you're am you play with ams, and when you 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.320 get to turn pro, you only really get to play 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.080 with the good players when you get good enough as 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.760 a pro to get in the good tournaments. You know, 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.560 you start off in a small mini tours and little ones, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.080 and you don't really get to play with elite great 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:38.320 players until you are one. So we just tried to 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.520 create an opportunity where that would happen, and we do 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:41.679 a little bit more. We have a lot of one 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.040 day sort of things and stuff down here where me 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.080 and a bunch of the tour players who are floating 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.120 around will play with some of these young kids, which 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.840 I think is I would have loved when I was 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.480 a kid. And so we just tried to get the 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:58.560 best players. It's really the best players we can find, man, woman, 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.040 pro or amateur and put them all on the best 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.240 course as we can find. Really I guess is that 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.000 there's a real sort of theory to the whole thing. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:09.720 So I mean, yeah, there was a lot there's a 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.399 lot of these people of the kid who wanted Brady 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.520 what last year that was his first timeament when he'd 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.240 been a great amateur and he'd been sort of banging 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.920 away as a pro for a little bit but struggling. Um. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.399 Some of the young kids, the young young girls especially 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.960 have sort of gone on and grown. And I a 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.760 year is a long time for a sixteen year old. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.440 You know, when the sixteen year I was a little kid, 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.119 and the next year they turned up their seventeen and 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.520 they're shaving and they're you know, they're a big kid 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.320 or whatever. You know. Um, it's um, yeah, they've all 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.679 had a good year. I've I know that lots of 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.520 them really really well. As I said, we do sort 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.240 of lots of one day as during the years. So 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.280 there's sort of a really good community down here now, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.560 Elite golfers who want to who love playing golf and 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.920 want to make golf their life. Be it guys people 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.040 like me who are grizzled and grumpy and been doing 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:02.400 it for thirty five years. And there's kids who are 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.760 just wide eyed and excited and for thing about the 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.359 experience of going out to play with some play another 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.320 tournament you know so and it's everything in between. So 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.920 I guess just the relationships that form, you know, you play, 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.080 you get to play rounds of golf with it's cross 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:24.080 sections of young girls with Mike Clayton, you know, or 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.120