Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z e Ma coming to you
Speaker 1: from the home office in Austin, Texas. We are back
Speaker 1: together again, reunited, and it feels so good.
Speaker 2: Where have we been? Where have you been? Where have
Speaker 2: I been?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 3: You have?
Speaker 2: Okay, So everybody.
Speaker 3: I was gone from Chris for about a week volunteering
Speaker 3: as a counselor again at Experience Camps, my second time
Speaker 3: being a counselor, and as you all know, I love
Speaker 3: the organization. Experience Camps is a nonprofit that puts on
Speaker 3: healing summer camps for grieving kids, kids who have lost
Speaker 3: a parent or sibling. I'm now on the board. But yeah,
Speaker 3: when you go in your accounselor, you're gone for a week.
Speaker 3: And I had a wonderful week. Shout out to my bunk,
Speaker 3: the Purple Moose, to the triplets Mazie and Charlie and Reese,
Speaker 3: to Hayden, to Jayden, to Kaya to is your movie Nellie?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: These are the MEAs the Mooses. To Cameron, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: who am I missing? To Ico I think I got
Speaker 3: them all. No, to Judith, and to my co counselors
Speaker 3: Ellen and Carly and Kat, to.
Speaker 1: All the kids that went to all the experience camps.
Speaker 1: It was a great little summer get away for everybody.
Speaker 1: So great that you did that. I was lonely. It
Speaker 1: was weird. I did some podcasts without you. At one
Speaker 1: point I just drove to Home Goods and was walking
Speaker 1: up and down the candle aisle. You're just sad, just
Speaker 1: listening to sad music.
Speaker 3: You weren't that desperate. But what was funny is I said, Babe,
Speaker 3: what'd you do?
Speaker 2: I was gone, you go.
Speaker 3: I listened to an entire book about World War Two,
Speaker 3: and then I listened to podcasts.
Speaker 2: This is about the things that I.
Speaker 3: Learned in the book about World War Two. And I've
Speaker 3: never even known you to listen to a book.
Speaker 1: I well, I listened. So the book was Bomber Mafia
Speaker 1: by Malcolm Gladwell. I'm a big Malcolm Gladwell fan. You
Speaker 1: guys know him. He wrote Tipping Point and a billion
Speaker 1: other books, and he's brilliant, and so he wrote this book,
Speaker 1: Bomber Mafia. But it really is better on tape because
Speaker 1: he integrated real interviews and a lot of the same
Speaker 1: sound that you're getting from back in the day, from
Speaker 1: these press conferences and propaganda films that Ronald Reagan voiced
Speaker 1: over that was his. He was a voiceover guy back
Speaker 1: in World War Two, and so you hear this, these
Speaker 1: little propaganda the things we were playing in America to
Speaker 1: talk about the war, and it was Ronald Reagan voicing it.
Speaker 1: This fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2: And so, yes, long hows was this book?
Speaker 1: Uh probably three four hours?
Speaker 2: Oh that's it?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, yeah, and so but a fect great book.
Speaker 1: By the way. I cannot recommend it enough, Malcolm, because
Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell never just tells a story. It's always the
Speaker 1: the dominoes that had to fall to make that story.
Speaker 3: I've said this many times when there was that TikTok trend.
Speaker 3: Do men think about the Roman Empire every day? I
Speaker 3: think the real thing they think about every day is
Speaker 3: World War Two for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then so the Bomber Mafia, which again cannot recommend
Speaker 1: enough by Malcolm Gladwell, got me going down this rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: I love listening to Malcolm Gladwell, and so he does
Speaker 1: a series of podcasts on events that are happened in
Speaker 1: our history. They were kind of tough to explain how
Speaker 1: they happened, and one of them was speaking of World
Speaker 1: War two.
Speaker 2: We're all we always are.
Speaker 1: The Olympics in Germany, the Hitler Olympics. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: Knowing what we knew going into it, which was, you know,
Speaker 1: the anti Semitism, Jews already being persecuted, the Nazi regime
Speaker 1: was already formed and going strong. How did America go
Speaker 1: to that Olympics in good faith? And they talk about
Speaker 1: how that happened, the people involved, and the again the
Speaker 1: dominoes that had to fall, and it was that I
Speaker 1: am somewhat ashamed. It was a nine part series that
Speaker 1: I listened to wow about how we got involved in
Speaker 1: the Olympics and the story of Jesse Owens. They go
Speaker 1: into a lot of detailed, a lot of cool little
Speaker 1: aspects about that Olympic Games.
Speaker 3: So what I've realized, and I don't know if this
Speaker 3: is a good or bad thing, but I take up
Speaker 3: a lot of.
Speaker 1: Your time you do, that's it.
Speaker 2: You had a lot of free.
Speaker 3: Time without me. I don't know if that's I don't
Speaker 3: know what that means. How did it feel for you?
Speaker 1: I like to break away when I can from you
Speaker 1: to gain knowledge.
Speaker 2: Okay, I listen.
Speaker 3: I want to applaud you for making it a productive
Speaker 3: use of my time, but you're right.
Speaker 1: But you're right, I must have been lonely because I
Speaker 1: spent the better part of fifteen to sixteen hours just
Speaker 1: on this book and podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm usually talking at you so much that you needed
Speaker 3: to have someone else talk at you.
Speaker 2: You know, I do.
Speaker 3: I really do applaude on that, and I know I'm
Speaker 3: joking about it, but I think it's very important to
Speaker 3: learn from our past in order to move forward with
Speaker 3: our future. And I was thinking as you were like
Speaker 3: telling me about all this, like A, I feel like
Speaker 3: I've forgotten everything I learned in high school history, which
Speaker 3: I hate.
Speaker 2: I don't love that I have, but it's like in
Speaker 2: one ear out the other. If you don't use it,
Speaker 2: you lose it.
Speaker 3: And B you know, I miss the History Channel and
Speaker 3: I miss when like the cable guide was just easier
Speaker 3: because I think better content used to be made.
Speaker 2: Like now, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think there are good docuseries out there, but they're
Speaker 3: so hard to find and it's also thrown together. I
Speaker 3: used to just kind of throw the History Channel on
Speaker 3: and see what was on there, and they had great
Speaker 3: content and now I don't even know where to I
Speaker 3: guess Netflix must have a history section for sure.
Speaker 2: Are you popping around in there?
Speaker 1: And I love you? Know me? What'd you catch me
Speaker 1: watching this weekend?
Speaker 2: I just last night Band of Brothers was like rerunning
Speaker 2: Labor Day.
Speaker 1: They did a Band of Brothers just which is funny
Speaker 1: because it's on I can watch it at any time
Speaker 1: it's it's on the streamers, I could go watch it,
Speaker 1: but for some reason, when it's on, I will just
Speaker 1: jump in there.
Speaker 3: Something about the happenstance of just what's on? You know,
Speaker 3: we all get caught in that searching through Netflix. Then
Speaker 3: you never pick anything. It's just easier to see what's on.
Speaker 1: What is that medically, physically something emotionally. I'm one hundred
Speaker 1: percent for a rewatchable where I find it, and it's
Speaker 1: like I found twenty dollars in my pocket that I'm
Speaker 1: excited that, Oh my god, Roadhouse is on or The
Speaker 1: Replacements was on Oceans eleven Yeah, and it's like and
Speaker 1: it's a good spot, so I jump in as opposed
Speaker 1: to I know I could go on right now, I
Speaker 1: could stop this podcast, go on and find Ocean's eleven
Speaker 1: or any of these movies and go watch them in
Speaker 1: their entirety. But that's not appealing to me.
Speaker 3: It finds me like finding a twenty dollars bill versus
Speaker 3: going to the bank and getting one out.
Speaker 2: You're right, Oh no, no, maybe it's not just like no,
Speaker 2: you was.
Speaker 1: You're right because it was my twenty dollars bill to
Speaker 1: start anyway, It's not like it's new. Yeah, I at
Speaker 1: one point I did get it out of the bank.
Speaker 2: Well that there you go.
Speaker 1: I wasn't excited when I got it out of the ATM.
Speaker 3: I don't know who to consult, but there's a phenomenon
Speaker 3: happening there is, so that's what you did.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: For me, I was with the kiddos and camp was
Speaker 3: amazing and if anyone wants to find out more, had
Speaker 3: to experience camps dot org. And our next project is
Speaker 3: going to be focusing in the new year on getting
Speaker 3: the Texas location open in twenty twenty six. Camp was
Speaker 3: very different for me this year than it was the
Speaker 3: first year, and I was really grateful to talk to
Speaker 3: the other counselors and it's good to have like them
Speaker 3: as a sounding board. One of them who'd been a
Speaker 3: counselor for several years and now told me, she's like,
Speaker 3: every year is different.
Speaker 2: It was still so great, it was amazing.
Speaker 3: It was just different. I like, I was less emotional
Speaker 3: than I was my first year. But I think that's
Speaker 3: a good thing. I think it was reflective of you
Speaker 3: know that first year, you're kind of like, Wow, to
Speaker 3: be surrounded by all these other people who understand grief
Speaker 3: is very It's the first time you've ever experienced it,
Speaker 3: and it's very powerful. I think this year I was
Speaker 3: a little less emotional, and I was torn on how
Speaker 3: to feel about it. On the one hand, it made
Speaker 3: me feel good, like maybe I'm able to be even
Speaker 3: stronger and more present and more giving to the kids
Speaker 3: because I'm less emotional myself. And then part of me
Speaker 3: was worried that I was failing by being less emotional,
Speaker 3: because I do think for the kids it's helpful for
Speaker 3: them to see adults be vulnerable and set that example.
Speaker 3: But it's always that combination, right, how much do you
Speaker 3: want to be open and vulnerable and how much do
Speaker 3: you want to be strong?
Speaker 2: Right? And so I was worried. I kept I couldn't
Speaker 2: shake this feeling that I was failing them. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I talked a lot about about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you gave so much last year,
Speaker 1: but you got a lot because it was your first time,
Speaker 1: and so you were because it was cathartic for you
Speaker 1: because to go to this camp for the first time,
Speaker 1: And I think this year you just gave. You didn't
Speaker 1: get as much because you were giving. I think you
Speaker 1: were working at the camp and you're on the board now.
Speaker 1: I just think there's so many more layers now that
Speaker 1: you're a part of this organization as opposed to something
Speaker 1: so new and exciting. It was no longer your first
Speaker 1: day at school.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, probably last year I had no idea what
Speaker 3: to expect. This year, I knew what to expect a.
Speaker 2: Little bit more so.
Speaker 1: I knew you were excited to go back to camp
Speaker 1: and see everybody.
Speaker 3: I don't want to underplay my joy here. Camp was amazing.
Speaker 3: I'm so close with all the counselors with the kids,
Speaker 3: like to see there was something new and special this year,
Speaker 3: and seeing the kids because now I know them, for
Speaker 3: them to get off the bus and run and give
Speaker 3: me a hug and be excited to see me, I mean, oh,
Speaker 3: my gosh that I'll like hold that in my heart forever.
Speaker 3: And I had a great time again and we have
Speaker 3: you know, we laughed and cried and everything was great.
Speaker 3: I was worried that I just wanted, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I wanted to be emotionally present for them, and I
Speaker 3: think I was, but I almost I almost want to
Speaker 3: ask them like what do you want? Do you want
Speaker 3: me to be strong for you? Or do you want
Speaker 3: me to cry with you? And maybe next year I'll
Speaker 3: ask them that more because you.
Speaker 1: Just describe the toughest part of parenting, Yeah, is like
Speaker 1: how to figure out and that's something we all do
Speaker 1: as parents. There is tough love. Do I go that route?
Speaker 1: Do I be their friend in this moment? Or do
Speaker 1: I you know, it's like you said, how much do
Speaker 1: I let them in too my own pain and suffering
Speaker 1: to my own problems? Is that relatable?
Speaker 2: Or is that like asking too much of them?
Speaker 1: Asking too much? And is it? You know? So that's
Speaker 1: that's always that line that I've had to walk as
Speaker 1: a parent. I think you're definitely realizing the same stuff
Speaker 1: at Experience camps because what you're doing is very maternal
Speaker 1: there and taking care of these kids and your year
Speaker 1: after year. Now that's the bond you're going to build
Speaker 1: and you talk about them and you think about them,
Speaker 1: and so when you get to see them again, what
Speaker 1: do I want to give them now? And what's best
Speaker 1: for them, because that's the that's the most difficult thing,
Speaker 1: what's best for them to prepare them as they move forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're also struggling with I want them to feel
Speaker 3: like they're getting this escape, this week away at camp
Speaker 3: where they can be kids. And because you know, most,
Speaker 3: I mean all of them have grief that they're dealing
Speaker 3: with in their lives at home, and so we want
Speaker 3: camp to be an escape and fun for them, but
Speaker 3: at the same time, we want it to be healing.
Speaker 3: And so there's just this, yeah, this element of like
Speaker 3: of finding that balance of how much it should be.
Speaker 3: And I also think you're striking like how much how
Speaker 3: much do you want them to like learn and mature
Speaker 3: at this camp if that makes sense. Like, I know
Speaker 3: that they feel good when they comfort each other. I
Speaker 3: know that it helps them grow to comfort other kids,
Speaker 3: to listen to other kids, and maybe even to you know,
Speaker 3: listen to the counselors. And so how much do you
Speaker 3: want them to grow there versus being able to be kids.
Speaker 3: These I don't have all the right answers. These are
Speaker 3: just the things I'm pondering and the big questions.
Speaker 1: So it kind of reminds me. I mean, on a
Speaker 1: less dramatic scale, it's like when you ask your parents, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, dad, who was the president you know before
Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy And he knows the answer, but he's like, well,
Speaker 1: go look it up, son, And you're like, damn, but
Speaker 1: just tell me the answer. And you realize by picking
Speaker 1: up there are these things called encyclopedias. Go go, you know,
Speaker 1: go to your computer, Google or whatever. But by reading it,
Speaker 1: you're learning, and you learn a few other things, and
Speaker 1: you realize why your parents did that to you. And
Speaker 1: I know you struggle with the same thing of Okay,
Speaker 1: how much do I want to just give them the
Speaker 1: answer and help them through this hurdle in life versus
Speaker 1: go out there, sit by the campfire, talk to your friends,
Speaker 1: mingle and figure this out amongst yourselves. Now, I'll aid
Speaker 1: you when it needs to happen, but try to look
Speaker 1: up the answer on your own. That's always a difficult dilemma.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what is amazing is to see. I really
Speaker 3: think I see the effects of camp now. Like I
Speaker 3: remember how I was at these kids' age, at these girls' age,
Speaker 3: at you know, fourteen, I was so not as emotionally
Speaker 3: developed and mentally eloquent as they are. Obviously, grief has
Speaker 3: aged them in a way that you know, a kid
Speaker 3: who hasn't been through grief yet at that age isn't
Speaker 3: And I hate that, but you see the effects of
Speaker 3: camp because I know, like my brother was fourteen when
Speaker 3: my dad.
Speaker 2: Died, and this isn't a knock on him.
Speaker 3: He was just a fourteen year old kid who definitely
Speaker 3: couldn't explain his grief and address his grief and deal
Speaker 3: with his grief in the same way that I'm seeing
Speaker 3: these girls be able to do. And that's a result
Speaker 3: of them having gone to camp for a few years
Speaker 3: and getting all these tools. So that was really wonderful
Speaker 3: to see and just more love and a shout out
Speaker 3: to the girls and their parents who I got to
Speaker 3: meet and everybody had experienced camps.
Speaker 1: There were some great news while you were gone. The
Speaker 1: higgins is Is are pregnant. I know, Ben and jesss
Speaker 1: congratulations got they announced that they are pregnant and we
Speaker 1: couldn't be more excited for him. I've talked to Ben
Speaker 1: and Jess. We've all been we have our little text string.
Speaker 1: We've been texting back and forth. Just so happy, so blessed.
Speaker 1: I know she shared. Go listen to their podcast because
Speaker 1: Ben ingested a special podcast the almost famous podcasts where
Speaker 1: they kicked Ashley to the curb, They did their own
Speaker 1: where they talked all about it. Go listen to that
Speaker 1: and all have been on at some point, maybe even
Speaker 1: Ben and Jess, and we'll kind of dive into the
Speaker 1: parenting and what they're excited about. We're going to see
Speaker 1: him this weekend. There's a big wedding in LA that
Speaker 1: a lot of US Bachelor alums are going to. It
Speaker 1: should be a very interesting wedding, a very interesting weekend,
Speaker 1: but it'll be the first time we get to see
Speaker 1: Ben and Jess and give them a big look for them.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I know I was at camp and
Speaker 3: so I feel like I kind of missed out in
Speaker 3: the text because I really try to not be communicating
Speaker 3: on social media, and.
Speaker 2: They're just going to be the most incredible parents and
Speaker 2: a baby girl. I feel like Ben Higgins is strong girl,
Speaker 2: dad energy.
Speaker 1: Such strong girl, dad energy, and just they're just I
Speaker 1: love Jess. I'm just going to talk about Ben for
Speaker 1: a minute. He's such a dad. He already is such
Speaker 1: a dad. If there was anybody who just what was
Speaker 1: missing was the kid that's Ben. Uh. He is going
Speaker 1: to be such a phenomenal father. And it's really it's
Speaker 1: a bizarre speaking of paternal instincts thing for me when
Speaker 1: I watch young men that were the Bachelor, Bachelorettes, whatever,
Speaker 1: when they grow up, get married, fine love, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it was on the show, off the show, start
Speaker 1: having kids, start living the life that I've kind of
Speaker 1: already been through. Is really I don't know why I
Speaker 1: get so proud or get excited for him. You know.
Speaker 1: I felt the same way for Ari and Lauren and
Speaker 1: being at Wells's wedding, and now you know Ben's pregnant,
Speaker 1: and Sarah Harrah and having a baby, and Andy Dorshman
Speaker 1: pregnant and having a baby. I just it's it's so
Speaker 1: exciting for me to watch these people go to the
Speaker 1: next stage of their life, to be a part of
Speaker 1: that with them. I love that. So excited and congratulations
Speaker 1: to Ben and Jess and Dandy as well. I don't
Speaker 1: think we've given her a shout out on the show yet,
Speaker 1: but she's expecting as well. Lots of Batcher babies coming
Speaker 1: and this weekend is going to be interesting.
Speaker 3: Also in the headlines new cast of Dancing with the
Speaker 3: Stars Season thirty three on ABC. I covered Dancing with
Speaker 3: the Stars for years for entertainment. Tonight I went to
Speaker 3: a fuel you did, Yes, you and I went together
Speaker 3: when Hannah Brown was on.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: First reaction to this cast, I have to be honest,
Speaker 3: I was disappointed. I'm baffled. I feel like last season's
Speaker 3: cast was so much better. Season thirty two, you had
Speaker 3: actor Matt Walsh from VEEP, Jamie Lynn Spears, Tyson Beckford,
Speaker 3: actress Mira Servino, Adrian Peterson from Real Housewives, Mauricio Yumansky.
Speaker 2: Like these were big.
Speaker 3: Names last season, Arianna from vander Pump Rules, Jason Maraz,
Speaker 3: all these names that I like, I knew almost.
Speaker 2: Everyone on the cast. Okay, now you're season thirty.
Speaker 1: Three go through. Because I've kind of stayed away from
Speaker 1: this list because I wanted to see if I know
Speaker 1: these people.
Speaker 3: I'll just read everybody, Okay. Phaedr Parks, she was real
Speaker 3: hot that's a good name. Real Houses of Atlanta and
Speaker 3: the Traders. She's she's a good solid cast.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Danny ammondola wide receiver. Okay, I believe he was the Patriots.
Speaker 3: I've heard his name, so I didn't know him. Of
Speaker 3: The Bachelor, Joey g Ilana mar but she was the
Speaker 3: rugby player.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love her. I've started following her on social media.
Speaker 1: She was a part of our gold medal winning rugby team.
Speaker 2: Also like relevant news, very.
Speaker 1: That's that's a good poll. Sports Illustrated Swimsuit picked her
Speaker 1: up to to do the sis Chandler Kenny.
Speaker 2: I don't know that personally. I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1: I don't know that one.
Speaker 2: Anna Delvey do you know who that is? Okay? She
Speaker 2: I do know who Annadelvey is.
Speaker 3: She was the like swimler, alleged swindler pretending to be
Speaker 3: an heiress.
Speaker 2: She was convicted of.
Speaker 1: Like oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Getting money from people. She was. They made the show
Speaker 2: Inventing Anna about her.
Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, that's okay. I've heard that. I've actually
Speaker 1: heard of the show.
Speaker 3: Starts to get a little bit like huh okay. Also
Speaker 3: Jen Tran, who is just the Bachelorette. But here are
Speaker 3: the names where it starts to get a little bit
Speaker 3: like I feel like these would have been great.
Speaker 1: They put a Bachelor Anna batcherette on there. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: they're having to double up.
Speaker 2: Okay, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: Good for the bachelor people, not a great sign for
Speaker 1: the dancing people. Well, if you're having to use two
Speaker 1: people from one franchise, although they may have made promises
Speaker 1: that that had to happen to get people to do things,
Speaker 1: but my guess is that's not great having to use
Speaker 1: people from the same franchise at the same time. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, well, if you are casting a show,
Speaker 1: you should have so many diverse stars that you get
Speaker 1: to pick the best. That looks like we had to
Speaker 1: use who would say yes to have a Bachelor and
Speaker 1: a batch read on it the same season. That's not
Speaker 1: It's not a great look.
Speaker 3: Well, I would think they would be celebrating it more
Speaker 3: as a thing, like the first time ever a Bachelor
Speaker 3: in a battle.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think if they've done that before,
Speaker 1: if they've had two people from the same show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and here's where it starts to get a little.
Speaker 2: I feel like all of the.
Speaker 3: Names I'm about to say would have been gets like
Speaker 3: five years ago. I would actually file Anna Deelvi in there,
Speaker 3: like sure, her name was really going around a few
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: So she's the first one. Now there's several. Eric Roberts, Oh,
Speaker 2: the actor brother of Julia.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait. I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I had no idea they're related. Eric Roberts and Julia Roberts.
Speaker 1: That's his brother. That's our brother.
Speaker 2: Are you experienced.
Speaker 1: I'm being dead serious.
Speaker 2: I think you covered red carpets for years.
Speaker 1: I know and not honestly. I love Julia and I
Speaker 1: love Eric Roberts. He's the He's that guy. He's in
Speaker 1: so many movies. That's really funny. I didn't know they
Speaker 1: were related.
Speaker 3: Wow, I feel like this is like the other day
Speaker 3: my friend said to me, you know from the tagline
Speaker 3: for K Jewelers.
Speaker 2: Every kiss begins with K.
Speaker 3: The other day my friend said, oh, I get it,
Speaker 3: every kiss begins with K.
Speaker 2: That's your.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, Eric. If they had gotten Julia, by the way,
Speaker 1: that would have been a good poll.
Speaker 2: Please, I know. Reginald Velle Johnson.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, excuse me.
Speaker 3: He was Carl Winslow on Family Matters, So I remember
Speaker 3: Family Matters. I don't remember. It's been a minute since
Speaker 3: I thought about Family Matters. I feel like we should
Speaker 3: be on a more reason like there. We should be
Speaker 3: pulling from a more recent sitcom than Family Matters at
Speaker 3: this point, like someone from Modern Family or someone from
Speaker 3: you know, do you know what I'm saying, like other
Speaker 3: sitcoms of more.
Speaker 1: What's happening in the last twenty years, someone.
Speaker 3: From like yeah, I don't know, the Office again, or
Speaker 3: even somebody who was on Friends, Yeah, or if it's
Speaker 3: like what about like Janis from Friends? Why she never
Speaker 3: done dancing with this?
Speaker 2: That's true?
Speaker 1: I wonder if Patrick Warburt never has Putty from Seinfeld
Speaker 1: and from He's done so much stuff. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but someone along those lines, a cult tory spelling, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: our girl, she's in the iHeart Family. Yes, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's weird. She's never done that. I would have to
Speaker 1: I would say she's done it before.
Speaker 3: I want to ask her, and I could almost guarantee.
Speaker 3: I feel like they asked her before and maybe she
Speaker 3: said no in the past and now was finally time.
Speaker 1: Well dancing is something you do when you need it,
Speaker 1: not when they need you. And so I'm one hundred
Speaker 1: percent sure they've probably asked Tory over the last ten years,
Speaker 1: because that is a name that should have come up
Speaker 1: at least a decade ago.
Speaker 2: Okay. And then there's also.
Speaker 3: Sports illustrated model Brooks Nader, Okay, who I've kind of
Speaker 3: heard that name.
Speaker 2: I think she's a newer celebrity. So I just.
Speaker 3: Overall, it's not like it's not bad, but I think
Speaker 3: it's been better the past few years.
Speaker 1: Who would you say you're you're good at this stuff.
Speaker 1: Who's the biggest name on that list?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 3: Is like last year, for example, when they got Jamielyn Spears,
Speaker 3: It's like, oh wow, they Jamie Lynn Spears.
Speaker 1: And there was the ariana of it all.
Speaker 3: Yes from vander Ris Yumansky. He'd just been in this
Speaker 3: you know, split with Kyle. A lot of storylines, a
Speaker 3: lot of story I don't think we're I don't think
Speaker 3: we have huge names, and I don't think we have
Speaker 3: a huge story. Here is the issue, Like the Anadelvi thing.
Speaker 3: We all there's literally been docuseries and scripted shows about that.
Speaker 2: There's just not a lot of like rama here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I believe our man Alfonso Roberto good friend is
Speaker 1: still hosting. Yes, Julian Hus Julian Huff and I've known
Speaker 1: Juliane actually for a long time too. But we were
Speaker 1: just with Alfonso and his family and and Tahoe and
Speaker 1: we were talking about it.
Speaker 2: But I don't think I've ever asked you this. Would
Speaker 2: you ever do Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1: No, I would host it, And I came very close
Speaker 1: to hosting just one episode for Tom Bergeron, the King
Speaker 1: of All host of you know, with all due respect
Speaker 1: to my friend Alfonso, but there was a time when
Speaker 1: Tom Bergeron had a family situation where he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to make it back, and so I was going to
Speaker 1: fill in for him. I was just kind of standing
Speaker 1: in the wings ready to go, and he ended up
Speaker 1: making it back. But it's not something I would want
Speaker 1: to go do dancing wise, but hosting it, sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are actually a good dancer.
Speaker 1: I love to dance, and I have nothing against it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've loved watching all the Bachelor Bachslrette people
Speaker 1: go through it. I honestly, at this point, I don't
Speaker 1: know if my back would survive it. I would hate
Speaker 1: to be I would be that story that like he
Speaker 1: had to go bow out and you don't. You definitely
Speaker 1: get in phenomenal shape because it is real. You work
Speaker 1: your off, and a lot of the dancers, I think
Speaker 1: some of the dancers have changed as well. I'm not
Speaker 1: as well versed with who's kind of big and who's
Speaker 1: not anymore. The Bachelor of it all was interesting because
Speaker 1: at first we had this very adversarial, contentious relationship with them,
Speaker 1: not me. It was just the executives involved, my boss
Speaker 1: and them, ABC and everyone else did not get along,
Speaker 1: and so it was very contentious. When Trista started doing it,
Speaker 1: she was our first, and then I think Jake Pavelka
Speaker 1: did it and kind of went on Chris Souls. It
Speaker 1: kind of became a thing where they would ask us
Speaker 1: and begrudgingly we would allow them to do it. It
Speaker 1: was we really hung it over everyone's head. And I
Speaker 1: say we again, not me at all, the creator of
Speaker 1: the show, who had an act to grind with the
Speaker 1: entire world, and so it was very contentious. It was
Speaker 1: this big back and forth and at one point I
Speaker 1: think dancing even kind of went over our head and
Speaker 1: that's that's when they got like Melissa Ryecroft and some
Speaker 1: other people and it got and that's where it really
Speaker 1: kind of almost blew up and it got kind of nasty.
Speaker 1: But then I think the smarter heads prevailed and they
Speaker 1: started realizing, this is a carrot you can dangle. You
Speaker 1: can offer this because there's not as much to offer
Speaker 1: the Bachelor of Bacherette anymore social media wise, you really
Speaker 1: don't get that push. There's not as much money in
Speaker 1: being the bacheler Bacherette anymore. It's not as desirable, and
Speaker 1: so being on dancing and Dancing with the stars is
Speaker 1: something you can offer. And so that's probably why there
Speaker 1: is Jen and Joey. If they've offered them something else,
Speaker 1: need them for something else, or got them to do
Speaker 1: something in the past, this was probably the carrot that
Speaker 1: they dangled because A it's good publicity and b there's
Speaker 1: money in it.
Speaker 3: In other news, while I was at camp, Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 3: filed for divorce from Ben.
Speaker 1: Aff Finally, I mean, finally.
Speaker 2: It felt so obvious, didn't it.
Speaker 3: I Mean, there was no I don't know if I've
Speaker 3: ever been like, yeah, okay, more to a headline in
Speaker 3: my inbox.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never been more more more happy for both
Speaker 1: of them, like go be free? What does the future
Speaker 1: hold for Ben Affleck and relationships? And I wish him? Well,
Speaker 1: it's somebody who I find a sympathetic figure. I don't
Speaker 1: know him at all, despite being in the movie Bounce
Speaker 1: with him. We didn't get that type, believe.
Speaker 2: It or not during your cameo.
Speaker 1: But he Is it wrong that he's somebody I just
Speaker 1: want to see happy for a change?
Speaker 2: Well, I think I wanted both. I mean, I want
Speaker 2: everybody always to be appy.
Speaker 1: By the way, j Lo too. I'm just talking about Ben.
Speaker 1: It just he seems so.
Speaker 3: But don't you think that's his own stuff at this point?
Speaker 3: I think he's I mean, I know he's been open
Speaker 3: about his addiction stuff, and I think he just I
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, Jennifer Garner and Jennifer Lopez seemed
Speaker 3: to me to be two very different people. Yes, and
Speaker 3: it didn't work out with either of them. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, Ben's got his own stuff to work on.
Speaker 2: That's my.
Speaker 3: Entertainment reporter read on that. And you know, Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 3: has always been someone and I think she owns this
Speaker 3: who dives into love quickly and hard and fast and
Speaker 3: then kind of has these like really intense relationships that
Speaker 3: but none of them have worked out either. So I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: I think, do you.
Speaker 1: Know how old Ben? You're good at this? How old
Speaker 1: has Benfleck?
Speaker 2: Probably fifty one? God, you're so good.
Speaker 1: He's fifty two.
Speaker 2: I almost said fifty two.
Speaker 1: Ah, you're good. If there is ever a game show
Speaker 1: of how old are they? ELS's going to kill this.
Speaker 1: So he's fifty two, So he's my age. It's time
Speaker 1: to time to really be all grows up and have
Speaker 1: it together now.
Speaker 3: I have been surprised by how much she's been like
Speaker 3: post breakup contenting on social media, like posting the booty photo.
Speaker 3: She posted a close up of a T shirt that
Speaker 3: read She's in bloom and unbothered, out of reach and
Speaker 3: a piece man. Okay, j Lo, I feel like I
Speaker 3: do feel like I'm watching like one of our kids
Speaker 3: college friends post breakup on Instagram or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the revenge photos, the revenge trips to Italy and
Speaker 1: all that. You know, there's definitely a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of she's taken to social media to kind of
Speaker 1: air her grievances and to get over this.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'll never forget when Entertainment Tonight sent me
Speaker 3: to Vegas when they got married in Vegas, and I
Speaker 3: was reporting from the bathroom that ben Affleck changed and well,
Speaker 3: you know how sad to see the relationship go this way,
Speaker 3: that strong start.
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that a relationship that started in
Speaker 1: a bathroom in Vegas did not bear fruit.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, speaking of marriage, They're not the first to
Speaker 3: do this, but it just made highlines that Miles Teller
Speaker 3: and his wife got tattoos on their wedding ring fingers
Speaker 3: for their fifth anniversary.
Speaker 2: Some of the people have done this.
Speaker 3: Actually the Higgins is Higgins does ring tat Beyonce and
Speaker 3: jay Z and I had someone DM me and ask
Speaker 3: if we would ever do this?
Speaker 2: Would you ever get a tattoo of your wedding ring?
Speaker 1: Sure, like if you honestly, I don't want to. Let
Speaker 1: me just preface this by saying I don't want to,
Speaker 1: But if you came to me and said, Babe, this
Speaker 1: really means a lot to me, I would love to
Speaker 1: do this. Sure. I mean I would do it for you,
Speaker 1: but I would totally be doing it because it's your desire.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I would like to make it
Speaker 1: through this life without a tattoo at all on my body.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a tattoo guy. Why it's funny. We had
Speaker 1: this convers station this weekend with your family. We were
Speaker 1: at the lake and you were ahead of us, but
Speaker 1: we were talking about tattoos.
Speaker 2: Oh, so I was not part of the cars.
Speaker 1: You would know you were your ahead. So I think
Speaker 1: I was talking to your sister and her husband, my
Speaker 1: brother in law, and we were just talking about tattoos
Speaker 1: and if they have them, and it was it was interesting.
Speaker 1: You just the idea of getting them removed. And they
Speaker 1: just had a friend who got a sleeve, which is
Speaker 1: a definite step. But I'm just not a tattoo person.
Speaker 1: I have nothing against them. I think they can be cute,
Speaker 1: they can be telling, they can be interesting, they can
Speaker 1: be meaningful.
Speaker 2: But you just made a strong statement.
Speaker 3: You said I would like to get through my entire
Speaker 3: life without a tattoos.
Speaker 2: So my question is what I'm just I'm not. Don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not a tattooed person. I don't want to put
Speaker 1: anything on my body. I've never desired I've never desired
Speaker 1: to put anything on my body because and it's not
Speaker 1: that obviously you the kids, I have meaningful things in
Speaker 1: my life. I've never had the need to like put
Speaker 1: someone's uh date or face or name on my body, Like,
Speaker 1: have you ever had that? Like, not to be morbid,
Speaker 1: I've never asked you this, but when your dad died,
Speaker 1: did you ever think of putting anything memorable?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: And that was I mean, honestly, that was kind of
Speaker 2: a read for me too. It was like I always thought,
Speaker 2: if I was ever going to get a tattoo.
Speaker 3: Of anything, that would have been the thing to do.
Speaker 3: But it's not that, I guess I'm just interested in
Speaker 3: the difference of like, because there is a difference between
Speaker 3: you saying there's nothing I want a tattoo for it
Speaker 3: versus I want to make it through life without a tattoo.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not a goal. I never set out to
Speaker 1: not get a tattoo. I've just never desired one.
Speaker 2: Then you and we feel the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't have any either that I found yet.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely think it's a generational thing, like
Speaker 3: older generations are more anti tattoo. I think tattoos are
Speaker 3: I read the other day. They're more common now than
Speaker 3: they've ever been before, Like more people have a tattoo today.
Speaker 1: But I would argue they skipped a generation. I felt like,
Speaker 1: hate to go to World War Two, but kind of
Speaker 1: that World War two, even into the Vietnam kind of
Speaker 1: the sixty seven, the tattoos, especially military, that was really
Speaker 1: a thing, and then it kind of stopped. I guess
Speaker 1: kind of my generation we didn't get them really the
Speaker 1: occasional frat boy did or something like that. Now it's
Speaker 1: really come back, so I feel like there was a gap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think people get them in a more
Speaker 3: artistic way now too, as like art on their bodies.
Speaker 3: And I just I feel the same. I would totally
Speaker 3: get I might feel differently, I don't know. In five years,
Speaker 3: maybe we'll do this. It could be like a cool
Speaker 3: thing to commemorate it. I would totally do a wedding
Speaker 3: finger tattoo. It's not something I haven't ever thought about,
Speaker 3: but I would totally do it. Like maybe we'll do
Speaker 3: it in a way where if we're off somewhere on
Speaker 3: a trip, we just do it on a whim.
Speaker 1: I'm not against it. I mean, if you were like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's do this, babe, I'd be like, great, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Shot out tequila and do it. Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question? Breaking news in the headlines, and I want
Speaker 1: to know, is there any validity in your mind to
Speaker 1: this Taylor Swift thing?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, I was texting with some friends about this earlier.
Speaker 3: So there is a report that someone posted an alleged
Speaker 3: breakup agreement plan from Travis Kelsey's PR agency. This was
Speaker 3: an alleged typed out, published plan of what would happen
Speaker 3: on the agreed upon date of Taylor and Travis breaking
Speaker 3: up and what the rollout of the breakup would be
Speaker 3: from his PR company. And everyone's saying, well, here's proof
Speaker 3: the relationship is fake. It's just for the headlines, it's
Speaker 3: just for attention, and it's orchestrated. The PR company has
Speaker 3: released a statement saying this is fake.
Speaker 2: You think, And yeah, that was my instinct from the start.
Speaker 3: Not because I think every I think there are orchestrated
Speaker 3: relationships in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I do, Well, we don't think, we know, we know
Speaker 1: they're orchestrated relationship. There are contracts that does happen, that
Speaker 1: is real. What was interesting, though, babe, is this had
Speaker 1: to date, this had September twenty eighth on it that
Speaker 1: this is when they were going to do it, this
Speaker 1: month coming up.
Speaker 3: But I instantly thought it was fake, only because the
Speaker 3: document itself seemed so fake and the way it was
Speaker 3: put out seems so fake. Someone posted it and said, like,
Speaker 3: Emily just left this out on their desk. I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 3: if you're the person posting this, you seemingly would work
Speaker 3: at the company too, so why would you out your
Speaker 3: whole company? And two, the document said at the top
Speaker 3: as if it's like your high school paper on World
Speaker 3: War Two, Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift breakup Plan confidential,
Speaker 3: do not distribute.
Speaker 2: I'm like, who no company is? That's just dumb.
Speaker 1: That's why it was very remedial the way. And by
Speaker 1: the way, if it turns out to be true, which
Speaker 1: now at this point, we would never know because they
Speaker 1: would not do it, you know. So here lies the
Speaker 1: dilemma of we'll really never know because because now in
Speaker 1: September twenty eight, they're definitely not going to go through
Speaker 1: with it because they can't they can't validate this story.
Speaker 1: So even if they did have a plan, now they
Speaker 1: have to come up with a new plan. But yeah,
Speaker 1: for all the naysayers who never wanted to believe in this,
Speaker 1: this gives them fuel. And for the rest of us,
Speaker 1: I think we all think this can't be real, and
Speaker 1: if it is, this PR agency may be the worst,
Speaker 1: most basic PR agency ever. It's like breakup plan for
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey September twenty four ten, right exactly.
Speaker 2: For who his new girlfriend will be.
Speaker 1: Please don't take a picture of this and distribute it.
Speaker 1: There's no cover page, there's no nothing to cover that.
Speaker 1: What that top sheet says? Yeah, no, that like they.
Speaker 2: Should have just put a stamp on it, like the
Speaker 2: movie's Confidential.
Speaker 1: But that kind of lit things up today on social media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do.
Speaker 3: I know a few stories of people who said they
Speaker 3: were even told by their agents, like date this person
Speaker 3: and it'll help us craft your image.
Speaker 2: And so I do think that happens.
Speaker 3: Maybe even more than you and I know, because we
Speaker 3: were never like deep in the I don't know, neither
Speaker 3: of us was really ever that deep in that wild.
Speaker 1: Luckily I never had to do that dance. But there
Speaker 1: are you know, and you'll notice a lot of these
Speaker 1: relationships go exactly seven years.
Speaker 2: Wait, really, yeah, where did you hear about that. I've
Speaker 2: never noticed that. Where'd you hear that.
Speaker 1: Let's say there was a guy that was really famous
Speaker 1: and top gun and mission impossible. If you look at
Speaker 1: the length of his relationships, they're the same.
Speaker 3: Oh well, definitely with that certain actor. There are even
Speaker 3: stronger rumors about Yeah, you know, well it was like
Speaker 3: a rumor for years, right, that Katie Holmes, I'm repeating
Speaker 3: a rumor, but that Katie Holmes was one of several
Speaker 3: women in consideration to be Tom Cruise's wife, and that
Speaker 3: you know, they were all like looked at by the
Speaker 3: church and yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1: And Nicole Kidman and Nicole Kidman, they all went the
Speaker 1: same length of time and they usually get a kid
Speaker 1: or two out of it and move on, Well, go
Speaker 1: live their life.
Speaker 2: Love is real, everybody.
Speaker 1: Love is real on the movie screen. It is. It's
Speaker 1: just behind the scenes. And I think even Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: and Angelina Jolie might get divorced this year, still going on,
Speaker 1: but they the reports lately have been are we going
Speaker 1: to finally.
Speaker 2: Come to his new girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Yeah, George Clooney and them all. They had a little
Speaker 1: double date with George and uh brow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've known for several months that Brad Pitt was
Speaker 3: dating this new woman. They've gone official, I need red
Speaker 3: carpet appearance at the Venice Film Festival and yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's a fish and they looked very chic and one
Speaker 3: of those beautiful I don't know what you call them,
Speaker 3: but those wooden Venice boats with George.
Speaker 2: And them all for their new movie Wolfs.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of wild that we are at the
Speaker 3: point of a new official red carpet relationship, but Brad.
Speaker 2: Is still not divorced from Angelina.
Speaker 1: It's someday, well, twenty twenty five. That's we're gonna hope, hope,
Speaker 1: some and dreams for twenty twenty five. To wrap that up, Elsie,
Speaker 1: we got to wrap this up because we get a
Speaker 1: pack because we are heading to Los Angeles, because you
Speaker 1: know where love is real at the wedding We're going
Speaker 1: to this weekend. It's going to be a beautiful weekend.
Speaker 1: You will see definitely some fun social media content because
Speaker 1: we have a lot of friends old and new that
Speaker 1: will be there and I'm looking forward to seeing everybody
Speaker 1: and introducing you to some of these people because this
Speaker 1: kind of predates you in us together. A lot of
Speaker 1: these old relationships go back ten, fifteen, twenty years, so
Speaker 1: I'm excited for you to meet some of these people.
Speaker 2: Maybe here's some stories about you.
Speaker 1: And you'll definitely hear some stories about a young host
Speaker 1: who is just helping people find love. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being with us, Elsie. I'm glad you're back
Speaker 1: because I can only take so much more World War
Speaker 1: two content. It's great to talk to everybody again, and
Speaker 1: we will do it again soon because we have a
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