1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z e Ma coming to you 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: from the home office in Austin, Texas. We are back 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: together again, reunited, and it feels so good. 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Where have we been? Where have you been? Where have 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: I been? 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Here? 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 3: You have? 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So everybody. 10 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: I was gone from Chris for about a week volunteering 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: as a counselor again at Experience Camps, my second time 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 3: being a counselor, and as you all know, I love 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: the organization. Experience Camps is a nonprofit that puts on 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: healing summer camps for grieving kids, kids who have lost 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: a parent or sibling. I'm now on the board. But yeah, 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: when you go in your accounselor, you're gone for a week. 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: And I had a wonderful week. Shout out to my bunk, 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: the Purple Moose, to the triplets Mazie and Charlie and Reese, 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: to Hayden, to Jayden, to Kaya to is your movie Nellie? 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: These are the MEAs the Mooses. To Cameron, oh my gosh, 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: who am I missing? To Ico I think I got 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 3: them all. No, to Judith, and to my co counselors 24 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: Ellen and Carly and Kat, to. 25 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: All the kids that went to all the experience camps. 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: It was a great little summer get away for everybody. 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: So great that you did that. I was lonely. It 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: was weird. I did some podcasts without you. At one 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: point I just drove to Home Goods and was walking 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: up and down the candle aisle. You're just sad, just 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: listening to sad music. 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: You weren't that desperate. But what was funny is I said, Babe, 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: what'd you do? 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: I was gone, you go. 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: I listened to an entire book about World War Two, 36 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: and then I listened to podcasts. 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: This is about the things that I. 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: Learned in the book about World War Two. And I've 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: never even known you to listen to a book. 40 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: I well, I listened. So the book was Bomber Mafia 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: by Malcolm Gladwell. I'm a big Malcolm Gladwell fan. You 42 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: guys know him. He wrote Tipping Point and a billion 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: other books, and he's brilliant, and so he wrote this book, 44 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Bomber Mafia. But it really is better on tape because 45 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: he integrated real interviews and a lot of the same 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: sound that you're getting from back in the day, from 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: these press conferences and propaganda films that Ronald Reagan voiced 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: over that was his. He was a voiceover guy back 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 1: in World War Two, and so you hear this, these 50 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: little propaganda the things we were playing in America to 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: talk about the war, and it was Ronald Reagan voicing it. 52 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: This fascinating stuff. 53 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: And so, yes, long hows was this book? 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: Uh probably three four hours? 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: Oh that's it? 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: Okay, well, yeah, and so but a fect great book. 57 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: By the way. I cannot recommend it enough, Malcolm, because 58 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell never just tells a story. It's always the 59 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: the dominoes that had to fall to make that story. 60 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: I've said this many times when there was that TikTok trend. 61 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: Do men think about the Roman Empire every day? I 62 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: think the real thing they think about every day is 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: World War Two for sure. 64 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 65 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: And then so the Bomber Mafia, which again cannot recommend 66 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: enough by Malcolm Gladwell, got me going down this rabbit hole. 67 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: I love listening to Malcolm Gladwell, and so he does 68 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: a series of podcasts on events that are happened in 69 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: our history. They were kind of tough to explain how 70 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: they happened, and one of them was speaking of World 71 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: War two. 72 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: We're all we always are. 73 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: The Olympics in Germany, the Hitler Olympics. How did that happen? 74 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: Knowing what we knew going into it, which was, you know, 75 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: the anti Semitism, Jews already being persecuted, the Nazi regime 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: was already formed and going strong. How did America go 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: to that Olympics in good faith? And they talk about 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: how that happened, the people involved, and the again the 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: dominoes that had to fall, and it was that I 80 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: am somewhat ashamed. It was a nine part series that 81 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: I listened to wow about how we got involved in 82 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: the Olympics and the story of Jesse Owens. They go 83 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: into a lot of detailed, a lot of cool little 84 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: aspects about that Olympic Games. 85 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: So what I've realized, and I don't know if this 86 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: is a good or bad thing, but I take up 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: a lot of. 88 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: Your time you do, that's it. 89 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: You had a lot of free. 90 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: Time without me. I don't know if that's I don't 91 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 3: know what that means. How did it feel for you? 92 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: I like to break away when I can from you 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: to gain knowledge. 94 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I listen. 95 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: I want to applaud you for making it a productive 96 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 3: use of my time, but you're right. 97 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: But you're right, I must have been lonely because I 98 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: spent the better part of fifteen to sixteen hours just 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: on this book and podcast. 100 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: I'm usually talking at you so much that you needed 101 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: to have someone else talk at you. 102 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: You know, I do. 103 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: I really do applaude on that, and I know I'm 104 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: joking about it, but I think it's very important to 105 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: learn from our past in order to move forward with 106 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: our future. And I was thinking as you were like 107 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: telling me about all this, like A, I feel like 108 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: I've forgotten everything I learned in high school history, which 109 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: I hate. 110 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: I don't love that I have, but it's like in 111 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: one ear out the other. If you don't use it, 112 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: you lose it. 113 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: And B you know, I miss the History Channel and 114 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: I miss when like the cable guide was just easier 115 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: because I think better content used to be made. 116 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: Like now, I don't know. 117 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: I think there are good docuseries out there, but they're 118 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 3: so hard to find and it's also thrown together. I 119 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: used to just kind of throw the History Channel on 120 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: and see what was on there, and they had great 121 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: content and now I don't even know where to I 122 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: guess Netflix must have a history section for sure. 123 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: Are you popping around in there? 124 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: And I love you? Know me? What'd you catch me 125 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: watching this weekend? 126 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: I just last night Band of Brothers was like rerunning 127 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: Labor Day. 128 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: They did a Band of Brothers just which is funny 129 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: because it's on I can watch it at any time 130 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: it's it's on the streamers, I could go watch it, 131 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: but for some reason, when it's on, I will just 132 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: jump in there. 133 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: Something about the happenstance of just what's on? You know, 134 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: we all get caught in that searching through Netflix. Then 135 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: you never pick anything. It's just easier to see what's on. 136 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: What is that medically, physically something emotionally. I'm one hundred 137 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: percent for a rewatchable where I find it, and it's 138 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: like I found twenty dollars in my pocket that I'm 139 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: excited that, Oh my god, Roadhouse is on or The 140 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: Replacements was on Oceans eleven Yeah, and it's like and 141 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: it's a good spot, so I jump in as opposed 142 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: to I know I could go on right now, I 143 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: could stop this podcast, go on and find Ocean's eleven 144 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: or any of these movies and go watch them in 145 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: their entirety. But that's not appealing to me. 146 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: It finds me like finding a twenty dollars bill versus 147 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: going to the bank and getting one out. 148 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: You're right, Oh no, no, maybe it's not just like no, 149 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: you was. 150 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: You're right because it was my twenty dollars bill to 151 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: start anyway, It's not like it's new. Yeah, I at 152 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: one point I did get it out of the bank. 153 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: Well that there you go. 154 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't excited when I got it out of the ATM. 155 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: I don't know who to consult, but there's a phenomenon 156 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: happening there is, so that's what you did. 157 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: Now. 158 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: For me, I was with the kiddos and camp was 159 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: amazing and if anyone wants to find out more, had 160 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: to experience camps dot org. And our next project is 161 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: going to be focusing in the new year on getting 162 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: the Texas location open in twenty twenty six. Camp was 163 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: very different for me this year than it was the 164 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: first year, and I was really grateful to talk to 165 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: the other counselors and it's good to have like them 166 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: as a sounding board. One of them who'd been a 167 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: counselor for several years and now told me, she's like, 168 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: every year is different. 169 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: It was still so great, it was amazing. 170 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: It was just different. I like, I was less emotional 171 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: than I was my first year. But I think that's 172 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: a good thing. I think it was reflective of you 173 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: know that first year, you're kind of like, Wow, to 174 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: be surrounded by all these other people who understand grief 175 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: is very It's the first time you've ever experienced it, 176 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: and it's very powerful. I think this year I was 177 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: a little less emotional, and I was torn on how 178 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: to feel about it. On the one hand, it made 179 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: me feel good, like maybe I'm able to be even 180 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: stronger and more present and more giving to the kids 181 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: because I'm less emotional myself. And then part of me 182 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: was worried that I was failing by being less emotional, 183 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: because I do think for the kids it's helpful for 184 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: them to see adults be vulnerable and set that example. 185 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: But it's always that combination, right, how much do you 186 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: want to be open and vulnerable and how much do 187 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: you want to be strong? 188 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: Right? And so I was worried. I kept I couldn't 189 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: shake this feeling that I was failing them. I don't know. 190 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I talked a lot about about that. 191 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you gave so much last year, 192 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: but you got a lot because it was your first time, 193 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: and so you were because it was cathartic for you 194 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: because to go to this camp for the first time, 195 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: And I think this year you just gave. You didn't 196 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: get as much because you were giving. I think you 197 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: were working at the camp and you're on the board now. 198 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: I just think there's so many more layers now that 199 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: you're a part of this organization as opposed to something 200 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: so new and exciting. It was no longer your first 201 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: day at school. 202 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, probably last year I had no idea what 203 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: to expect. This year, I knew what to expect a. 204 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: Little bit more so. 205 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: I knew you were excited to go back to camp 206 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: and see everybody. 207 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: I don't want to underplay my joy here. Camp was amazing. 208 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: I'm so close with all the counselors with the kids, 209 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: like to see there was something new and special this year, 210 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: and seeing the kids because now I know them, for 211 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: them to get off the bus and run and give 212 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: me a hug and be excited to see me, I mean, oh, 213 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: my gosh that I'll like hold that in my heart forever. 214 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,599 Speaker 3: And I had a great time again and we have 215 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: you know, we laughed and cried and everything was great. 216 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: I was worried that I just wanted, I don't know, 217 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: I wanted to be emotionally present for them, and I 218 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 3: think I was, but I almost I almost want to 219 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: ask them like what do you want? Do you want 220 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: me to be strong for you? Or do you want 221 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: me to cry with you? And maybe next year I'll 222 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 3: ask them that more because you. 223 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: Just describe the toughest part of parenting, Yeah, is like 224 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: how to figure out and that's something we all do 225 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: as parents. There is tough love. Do I go that route? 226 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: Do I be their friend in this moment? Or do 227 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: I you know, it's like you said, how much do 228 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: I let them in too my own pain and suffering 229 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: to my own problems? Is that relatable? 230 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: Or is that like asking too much of them? 231 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Asking too much? And is it? You know? So that's 232 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: that's always that line that I've had to walk as 233 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: a parent. I think you're definitely realizing the same stuff 234 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: at Experience camps because what you're doing is very maternal 235 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: there and taking care of these kids and your year 236 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: after year. Now that's the bond you're going to build 237 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: and you talk about them and you think about them, 238 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: and so when you get to see them again, what 239 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: do I want to give them now? And what's best 240 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: for them, because that's the that's the most difficult thing, 241 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: what's best for them to prepare them as they move forward. 242 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're also struggling with I want them to feel 243 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 3: like they're getting this escape, this week away at camp 244 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: where they can be kids. And because you know, most, 245 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: I mean all of them have grief that they're dealing 246 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: with in their lives at home, and so we want 247 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: camp to be an escape and fun for them, but 248 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: at the same time, we want it to be healing. 249 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: And so there's just this, yeah, this element of like 250 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: of finding that balance of how much it should be. 251 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: And I also think you're striking like how much how 252 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: much do you want them to like learn and mature 253 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: at this camp if that makes sense. Like, I know 254 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: that they feel good when they comfort each other. I 255 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 3: know that it helps them grow to comfort other kids, 256 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 3: to listen to other kids, and maybe even to you know, 257 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: listen to the counselors. And so how much do you 258 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: want them to grow there versus being able to be kids. 259 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 3: These I don't have all the right answers. These are 260 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: just the things I'm pondering and the big questions. 261 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,359 Speaker 1: So it kind of reminds me. I mean, on a 262 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: less dramatic scale, it's like when you ask your parents, Hey, 263 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, dad, who was the president you know before 264 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy And he knows the answer, but he's like, well, 265 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: go look it up, son, And you're like, damn, but 266 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: just tell me the answer. And you realize by picking 267 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: up there are these things called encyclopedias. Go go, you know, 268 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: go to your computer, Google or whatever. But by reading it, 269 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: you're learning, and you learn a few other things, and 270 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: you realize why your parents did that to you. And 271 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: I know you struggle with the same thing of Okay, 272 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: how much do I want to just give them the 273 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: answer and help them through this hurdle in life versus 274 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: go out there, sit by the campfire, talk to your friends, 275 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: mingle and figure this out amongst yourselves. Now, I'll aid 276 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: you when it needs to happen, but try to look 277 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: up the answer on your own. That's always a difficult dilemma. 278 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And what is amazing is to see. I really 279 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: think I see the effects of camp now. Like I 280 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: remember how I was at these kids' age, at these girls' age, 281 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: at you know, fourteen, I was so not as emotionally 282 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: developed and mentally eloquent as they are. Obviously, grief has 283 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: aged them in a way that you know, a kid 284 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: who hasn't been through grief yet at that age isn't 285 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: And I hate that, but you see the effects of 286 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 3: camp because I know, like my brother was fourteen when 287 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: my dad. 288 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: Died, and this isn't a knock on him. 289 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: He was just a fourteen year old kid who definitely 290 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: couldn't explain his grief and address his grief and deal 291 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: with his grief in the same way that I'm seeing 292 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: these girls be able to do. And that's a result 293 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 3: of them having gone to camp for a few years 294 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: and getting all these tools. So that was really wonderful 295 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: to see and just more love and a shout out 296 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: to the girls and their parents who I got to 297 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 3: meet and everybody had experienced camps. 298 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: There were some great news while you were gone. The 299 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: higgins is Is are pregnant. I know, Ben and jesss 300 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: congratulations got they announced that they are pregnant and we 301 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: couldn't be more excited for him. I've talked to Ben 302 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: and Jess. We've all been we have our little text string. 303 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: We've been texting back and forth. Just so happy, so blessed. 304 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: I know she shared. Go listen to their podcast because 305 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: Ben ingested a special podcast the almost famous podcasts where 306 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: they kicked Ashley to the curb, They did their own 307 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: where they talked all about it. Go listen to that 308 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: and all have been on at some point, maybe even 309 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Ben and Jess, and we'll kind of dive into the 310 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: parenting and what they're excited about. We're going to see 311 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: him this weekend. There's a big wedding in LA that 312 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: a lot of US Bachelor alums are going to. It 313 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: should be a very interesting wedding, a very interesting weekend, 314 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: but it'll be the first time we get to see 315 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: Ben and Jess and give them a big look for them. 316 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I know I was at camp and 317 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: so I feel like I kind of missed out in 318 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,239 Speaker 3: the text because I really try to not be communicating 319 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: on social media, and. 320 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: They're just going to be the most incredible parents and 321 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: a baby girl. I feel like Ben Higgins is strong girl, 322 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: dad energy. 323 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: Such strong girl, dad energy, and just they're just I 324 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: love Jess. I'm just going to talk about Ben for 325 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: a minute. He's such a dad. He already is such 326 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: a dad. If there was anybody who just what was 327 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: missing was the kid that's Ben. Uh. He is going 328 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: to be such a phenomenal father. And it's really it's 329 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: a bizarre speaking of paternal instincts thing for me when 330 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: I watch young men that were the Bachelor, Bachelorettes, whatever, 331 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: when they grow up, get married, fine love, you know, 332 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: whether it was on the show, off the show, start 333 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: having kids, start living the life that I've kind of 334 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: already been through. Is really I don't know why I 335 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: get so proud or get excited for him. You know. 336 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: I felt the same way for Ari and Lauren and 337 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: being at Wells's wedding, and now you know Ben's pregnant, 338 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: and Sarah Harrah and having a baby, and Andy Dorshman 339 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: pregnant and having a baby. I just it's it's so 340 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: exciting for me to watch these people go to the 341 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: next stage of their life, to be a part of 342 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: that with them. I love that. So excited and congratulations 343 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: to Ben and Jess and Dandy as well. I don't 344 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: think we've given her a shout out on the show yet, 345 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: but she's expecting as well. Lots of Batcher babies coming 346 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: and this weekend is going to be interesting. 347 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: Also in the headlines new cast of Dancing with the 348 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: Stars Season thirty three on ABC. I covered Dancing with 349 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: the Stars for years for entertainment. Tonight I went to 350 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: a fuel you did, Yes, you and I went together 351 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: when Hannah Brown was on. 352 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: That's right. 353 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: First reaction to this cast, I have to be honest, 354 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: I was disappointed. I'm baffled. I feel like last season's 355 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: cast was so much better. Season thirty two, you had 356 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: actor Matt Walsh from VEEP, Jamie Lynn Spears, Tyson Beckford, 357 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: actress Mira Servino, Adrian Peterson from Real Housewives, Mauricio Yumansky. 358 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: Like these were big. 359 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 3: Names last season, Arianna from vander Pump Rules, Jason Maraz, 360 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: all these names that I like, I knew almost. 361 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: Everyone on the cast. Okay, now you're season thirty. 362 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: Three go through. Because I've kind of stayed away from 363 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: this list because I wanted to see if I know 364 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: these people. 365 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 3: I'll just read everybody, Okay. Phaedr Parks, she was real 366 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 3: hot that's a good name. Real Houses of Atlanta and 367 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: the Traders. She's she's a good solid cast. 368 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 369 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: Danny ammondola wide receiver. Okay, I believe he was the Patriots. 370 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: I've heard his name, so I didn't know him. Of 371 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 3: The Bachelor, Joey g Ilana mar but she was the 372 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: rugby player. 373 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I love her. I've started following her on social media. 374 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: She was a part of our gold medal winning rugby team. 375 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: Also like relevant news, very. 376 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: That's that's a good poll. Sports Illustrated Swimsuit picked her 377 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: up to to do the sis Chandler Kenny. 378 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 2: I don't know that personally. I don't know who that is. 379 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that one. 380 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: Anna Delvey do you know who that is? Okay? She 381 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: I do know who Annadelvey is. 382 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 3: She was the like swimler, alleged swindler pretending to be 383 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 3: an heiress. 384 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: She was convicted of. 385 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: Like oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 386 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: Getting money from people. She was. They made the show 387 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: Inventing Anna about her. 388 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, that's okay. I've heard that. I've actually 389 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: heard of the show. 390 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: Starts to get a little bit like huh okay. Also 391 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 3: Jen Tran, who is just the Bachelorette. But here are 392 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: the names where it starts to get a little bit 393 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: like I feel like these would have been great. 394 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: They put a Bachelor Anna batcherette on there. Yeah, well, okay, 395 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: they're having to double up. 396 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: Okay, what are your thoughts? 397 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: Good for the bachelor people, not a great sign for 398 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: the dancing people. Well, if you're having to use two 399 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: people from one franchise, although they may have made promises 400 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: that that had to happen to get people to do things, 401 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: but my guess is that's not great having to use 402 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: people from the same franchise at the same time. You know, 403 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: it's like it's like, well, if you are casting a show, 404 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: you should have so many diverse stars that you get 405 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: to pick the best. That looks like we had to 406 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: use who would say yes to have a Bachelor and 407 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: a batch read on it the same season. That's not 408 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: It's not a great look. 409 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 3: Well, I would think they would be celebrating it more 410 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: as a thing, like the first time ever a Bachelor 411 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 3: in a battle. 412 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: I was trying to think if they've done that before, 413 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: if they've had two people from the same show. 414 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and here's where it starts to get a little. 415 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: I feel like all of the. 416 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 3: Names I'm about to say would have been gets like 417 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: five years ago. I would actually file Anna Deelvi in there, 418 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: like sure, her name was really going around a few 419 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: years ago. 420 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 2: So she's the first one. Now there's several. Eric Roberts, Oh, 421 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: the actor brother of Julia. 422 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait. I swear to god, 423 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: I had no idea they're related. Eric Roberts and Julia Roberts. 424 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: That's his brother. That's our brother. 425 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 2: Are you experienced. 426 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm being dead serious. 427 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: I think you covered red carpets for years. 428 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: I know and not honestly. I love Julia and I 429 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: love Eric Roberts. He's the He's that guy. He's in 430 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: so many movies. That's really funny. I didn't know they 431 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: were related. 432 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: Wow, I feel like this is like the other day 433 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: my friend said to me, you know from the tagline 434 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: for K Jewelers. 435 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: Every kiss begins with K. 436 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: The other day my friend said, oh, I get it, 437 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: every kiss begins with K. 438 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: That's your. 439 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, Eric. If they had gotten Julia, by the way, 440 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: that would have been a good poll. 441 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: Please, I know. Reginald Velle Johnson. 442 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, excuse me. 443 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: He was Carl Winslow on Family Matters, So I remember 444 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: Family Matters. I don't remember. It's been a minute since 445 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: I thought about Family Matters. I feel like we should 446 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: be on a more reason like there. We should be 447 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: pulling from a more recent sitcom than Family Matters at 448 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: this point, like someone from Modern Family or someone from 449 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: you know, do you know what I'm saying, like other 450 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: sitcoms of more. 451 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: What's happening in the last twenty years, someone. 452 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: From like yeah, I don't know, the Office again, or 453 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 3: even somebody who was on Friends, Yeah, or if it's 454 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 3: like what about like Janis from Friends? Why she never 455 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: done dancing with this? 456 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: That's true? 457 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if Patrick Warburt never has Putty from Seinfeld 458 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: and from He's done so much stuff. I don't know. Yeah, 459 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: but someone along those lines, a cult tory spelling, Oh yeah, 460 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: our girl, she's in the iHeart Family. Yes, that's you know, 461 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: that's weird. She's never done that. I would have to 462 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: I would say she's done it before. 463 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 3: I want to ask her, and I could almost guarantee. 464 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 3: I feel like they asked her before and maybe she 465 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: said no in the past and now was finally time. 466 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: Well dancing is something you do when you need it, 467 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: not when they need you. And so I'm one hundred 468 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: percent sure they've probably asked Tory over the last ten years, 469 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: because that is a name that should have come up 470 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: at least a decade ago. 471 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: Okay. And then there's also. 472 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: Sports illustrated model Brooks Nader, Okay, who I've kind of 473 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: heard that name. 474 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: I think she's a newer celebrity. So I just. 475 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 3: Overall, it's not like it's not bad, but I think 476 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: it's been better the past few years. 477 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: Who would you say you're you're good at this stuff. 478 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: Who's the biggest name on that list? 479 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that's a really good point. 480 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 3: Is like last year, for example, when they got Jamielyn Spears, 481 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: It's like, oh wow, they Jamie Lynn Spears. 482 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: And there was the ariana of it all. 483 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 3: Yes from vander Ris Yumansky. He'd just been in this 484 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 3: you know, split with Kyle. A lot of storylines, a 485 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: lot of story I don't think we're I don't think 486 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 3: we have huge names, and I don't think we have 487 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: a huge story. Here is the issue, Like the Anadelvi thing. 488 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: We all there's literally been docuseries and scripted shows about that. 489 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: There's just not a lot of like rama here. 490 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I believe our man Alfonso Roberto good friend is 491 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: still hosting. Yes, Julian Hus Julian Huff and I've known 492 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: Juliane actually for a long time too. But we were 493 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: just with Alfonso and his family and and Tahoe and 494 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: we were talking about it. 495 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 2: But I don't think I've ever asked you this. Would 496 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: you ever do Dancing with the Stars. 497 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: No, I would host it, And I came very close 498 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: to hosting just one episode for Tom Bergeron, the King 499 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: of All host of you know, with all due respect 500 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: to my friend Alfonso, but there was a time when 501 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: Tom Bergeron had a family situation where he wasn't going 502 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: to make it back, and so I was going to 503 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: fill in for him. I was just kind of standing 504 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: in the wings ready to go, and he ended up 505 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: making it back. But it's not something I would want 506 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: to go do dancing wise, but hosting it, sure. 507 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you are actually a good dancer. 508 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: I love to dance, and I have nothing against it. 509 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I've loved watching all the Bachelor Bachslrette people 510 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: go through it. I honestly, at this point, I don't 511 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: know if my back would survive it. I would hate 512 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: to be I would be that story that like he 513 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: had to go bow out and you don't. You definitely 514 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: get in phenomenal shape because it is real. You work 515 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: your off, and a lot of the dancers, I think 516 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: some of the dancers have changed as well. I'm not 517 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: as well versed with who's kind of big and who's 518 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: not anymore. The Bachelor of it all was interesting because 519 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: at first we had this very adversarial, contentious relationship with them, 520 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: not me. It was just the executives involved, my boss 521 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: and them, ABC and everyone else did not get along, 522 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: and so it was very contentious. When Trista started doing it, 523 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: she was our first, and then I think Jake Pavelka 524 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: did it and kind of went on Chris Souls. It 525 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: kind of became a thing where they would ask us 526 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: and begrudgingly we would allow them to do it. It 527 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: was we really hung it over everyone's head. And I 528 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: say we again, not me at all, the creator of 529 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: the show, who had an act to grind with the 530 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: entire world, and so it was very contentious. It was 531 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: this big back and forth and at one point I 532 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: think dancing even kind of went over our head and 533 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: that's that's when they got like Melissa Ryecroft and some 534 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: other people and it got and that's where it really 535 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: kind of almost blew up and it got kind of nasty. 536 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: But then I think the smarter heads prevailed and they 537 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: started realizing, this is a carrot you can dangle. You 538 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: can offer this because there's not as much to offer 539 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: the Bachelor of Bacherette anymore social media wise, you really 540 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: don't get that push. There's not as much money in 541 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 1: being the bacheler Bacherette anymore. It's not as desirable, and 542 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: so being on dancing and Dancing with the stars is 543 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: something you can offer. And so that's probably why there 544 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: is Jen and Joey. If they've offered them something else, 545 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: need them for something else, or got them to do 546 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: something in the past, this was probably the carrot that 547 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: they dangled because A it's good publicity and b there's 548 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: money in it. 549 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 3: In other news, while I was at camp, Jennifer Lopez 550 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 3: filed for divorce from Ben. 551 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: Aff Finally, I mean, finally. 552 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: It felt so obvious, didn't it. 553 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: I Mean, there was no I don't know if I've 554 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: ever been like, yeah, okay, more to a headline in 555 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: my inbox. 556 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never been more more more happy for both 557 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: of them, like go be free? What does the future 558 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: hold for Ben Affleck and relationships? And I wish him? Well, 559 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: it's somebody who I find a sympathetic figure. I don't 560 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: know him at all, despite being in the movie Bounce 561 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: with him. We didn't get that type, believe. 562 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: It or not during your cameo. 563 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: But he Is it wrong that he's somebody I just 564 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: want to see happy for a change? 565 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 2: Well, I think I wanted both. I mean, I want 566 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: everybody always to be appy. 567 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: By the way, j Lo too. I'm just talking about Ben. 568 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 1: It just he seems so. 569 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: But don't you think that's his own stuff at this point? 570 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: I think he's I mean, I know he's been open 571 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: about his addiction stuff, and I think he just I 572 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, Jennifer Garner and Jennifer Lopez seemed 573 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: to me to be two very different people. Yes, and 574 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 3: it didn't work out with either of them. And I think, 575 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: you know, Ben's got his own stuff to work on. 576 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: That's my. 577 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 3: Entertainment reporter read on that. And you know, Jennifer Lopez 578 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 3: has always been someone and I think she owns this 579 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: who dives into love quickly and hard and fast and 580 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: then kind of has these like really intense relationships that 581 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: but none of them have worked out either. So I 582 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: don't know. 583 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 2: I think, do you. 584 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: Know how old Ben? You're good at this? How old 585 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: has Benfleck? 586 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 2: Probably fifty one? God, you're so good. 587 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: He's fifty two. 588 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: I almost said fifty two. 589 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: Ah, you're good. If there is ever a game show 590 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: of how old are they? ELS's going to kill this. 591 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: So he's fifty two, So he's my age. It's time 592 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: to time to really be all grows up and have 593 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: it together now. 594 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: I have been surprised by how much she's been like 595 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 3: post breakup contenting on social media, like posting the booty photo. 596 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 3: She posted a close up of a T shirt that 597 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 3: read She's in bloom and unbothered, out of reach and 598 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: a piece man. Okay, j Lo, I feel like I 599 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 3: do feel like I'm watching like one of our kids 600 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: college friends post breakup on Instagram or something. 601 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the revenge photos, the revenge trips to Italy and 602 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: all that. You know, there's definitely a lot of a 603 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: lot of she's taken to social media to kind of 604 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: air her grievances and to get over this. 605 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'll never forget when Entertainment Tonight sent me 606 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 3: to Vegas when they got married in Vegas, and I 607 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: was reporting from the bathroom that ben Affleck changed and well, 608 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: you know how sad to see the relationship go this way, 609 00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: that strong start. 610 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that a relationship that started in 611 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: a bathroom in Vegas did not bear fruit. 612 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, speaking of marriage, They're not the first to 613 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: do this, but it just made highlines that Miles Teller 614 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: and his wife got tattoos on their wedding ring fingers 615 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: for their fifth anniversary. 616 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: Some of the people have done this. 617 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 3: Actually the Higgins is Higgins does ring tat Beyonce and 618 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: jay Z and I had someone DM me and ask 619 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: if we would ever do this? 620 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: Would you ever get a tattoo of your wedding ring? 621 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: Sure, like if you honestly, I don't want to. Let 622 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: me just preface this by saying I don't want to, 623 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: But if you came to me and said, Babe, this 624 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: really means a lot to me, I would love to 625 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: do this. Sure. I mean I would do it for you, 626 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: but I would totally be doing it because it's your desire. 627 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I would like to make it 628 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: through this life without a tattoo at all on my body. 629 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: I'm not. 630 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm not a tattoo guy. Why it's funny. We had 631 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: this convers station this weekend with your family. We were 632 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: at the lake and you were ahead of us, but 633 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: we were talking about tattoos. 634 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: Oh, so I was not part of the cars. 635 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: You would know you were your ahead. So I think 636 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: I was talking to your sister and her husband, my 637 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: brother in law, and we were just talking about tattoos 638 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: and if they have them, and it was it was interesting. 639 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: You just the idea of getting them removed. And they 640 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: just had a friend who got a sleeve, which is 641 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: a definite step. But I'm just not a tattoo person. 642 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: I have nothing against them. I think they can be cute, 643 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: they can be telling, they can be interesting, they can 644 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: be meaningful. 645 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: But you just made a strong statement. 646 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 3: You said I would like to get through my entire 647 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: life without a tattoos. 648 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: So my question is what I'm just I'm not. Don't. 649 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a tattooed person. I don't want to put 650 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: anything on my body. I've never desired I've never desired 651 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: to put anything on my body because and it's not 652 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: that obviously you the kids, I have meaningful things in 653 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: my life. I've never had the need to like put 654 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: someone's uh date or face or name on my body, Like, 655 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: have you ever had that? Like, not to be morbid, 656 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: I've never asked you this, but when your dad died, 657 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: did you ever think of putting anything memorable? 658 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: No? 659 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: And that was I mean, honestly, that was kind of 660 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: a read for me too. It was like I always thought, 661 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: if I was ever going to get a tattoo. 662 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 3: Of anything, that would have been the thing to do. 663 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 3: But it's not that, I guess I'm just interested in 664 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: the difference of like, because there is a difference between 665 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 3: you saying there's nothing I want a tattoo for it 666 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: versus I want to make it through life without a tattoo. 667 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's not a goal. I never set out to 668 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: not get a tattoo. I've just never desired one. 669 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: Then you and we feel the same. 670 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't have any either that I found yet. 671 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 2: I just. 672 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely think it's a generational thing, like 673 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 3: older generations are more anti tattoo. I think tattoos are 674 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: I read the other day. They're more common now than 675 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: they've ever been before, Like more people have a tattoo today. 676 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: But I would argue they skipped a generation. I felt like, 677 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: hate to go to World War Two, but kind of 678 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: that World War two, even into the Vietnam kind of 679 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: the sixty seven, the tattoos, especially military, that was really 680 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: a thing, and then it kind of stopped. I guess 681 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: kind of my generation we didn't get them really the 682 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: occasional frat boy did or something like that. Now it's 683 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: really come back, so I feel like there was a gap. 684 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think people get them in a more 685 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: artistic way now too, as like art on their bodies. 686 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: And I just I feel the same. I would totally 687 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 3: get I might feel differently, I don't know. In five years, 688 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 3: maybe we'll do this. It could be like a cool 689 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: thing to commemorate it. I would totally do a wedding 690 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 3: finger tattoo. It's not something I haven't ever thought about, 691 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: but I would totally do it. Like maybe we'll do 692 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: it in a way where if we're off somewhere on 693 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: a trip, we just do it on a whim. 694 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm not against it. I mean, if you were like, hey, 695 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: let's do this, babe, I'd be like, great, let's do it. 696 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: Shot out tequila and do it. Can I ask you 697 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: a question? Breaking news in the headlines, and I want 698 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: to know, is there any validity in your mind to 699 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: this Taylor Swift thing? 700 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 3: Oh? 701 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I was texting with some friends about this earlier. 702 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 3: So there is a report that someone posted an alleged 703 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: breakup agreement plan from Travis Kelsey's PR agency. This was 704 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: an alleged typed out, published plan of what would happen 705 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 3: on the agreed upon date of Taylor and Travis breaking 706 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: up and what the rollout of the breakup would be 707 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 3: from his PR company. And everyone's saying, well, here's proof 708 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: the relationship is fake. It's just for the headlines, it's 709 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 3: just for attention, and it's orchestrated. The PR company has 710 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: released a statement saying this is fake. 711 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: You think, And yeah, that was my instinct from the start. 712 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 3: Not because I think every I think there are orchestrated 713 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 3: relationships in Hollywood. 714 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: I do, Well, we don't think, we know, we know 715 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: they're orchestrated relationship. There are contracts that does happen, that 716 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: is real. What was interesting, though, babe, is this had 717 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: to date, this had September twenty eighth on it that 718 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: this is when they were going to do it, this 719 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: month coming up. 720 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 3: But I instantly thought it was fake, only because the 721 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 3: document itself seemed so fake and the way it was 722 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 3: put out seems so fake. Someone posted it and said, like, 723 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: Emily just left this out on their desk. I'm like, well, okay, 724 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 3: if you're the person posting this, you seemingly would work 725 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 3: at the company too, so why would you out your 726 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 3: whole company? And two, the document said at the top 727 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 3: as if it's like your high school paper on World 728 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 3: War Two, Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift breakup Plan confidential, 729 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 3: do not distribute. 730 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, who no company is? That's just dumb. 731 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: That's why it was very remedial the way. And by 732 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: the way, if it turns out to be true, which 733 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: now at this point, we would never know because they 734 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: would not do it, you know. So here lies the 735 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: dilemma of we'll really never know because because now in 736 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: September twenty eight, they're definitely not going to go through 737 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: with it because they can't they can't validate this story. 738 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: So even if they did have a plan, now they 739 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: have to come up with a new plan. But yeah, 740 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: for all the naysayers who never wanted to believe in this, 741 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: this gives them fuel. And for the rest of us, 742 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: I think we all think this can't be real, and 743 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: if it is, this PR agency may be the worst, 744 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: most basic PR agency ever. It's like breakup plan for 745 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey September twenty four ten, right exactly. 746 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 2: For who his new girlfriend will be. 747 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: Please don't take a picture of this and distribute it. 748 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: There's no cover page, there's no nothing to cover that. 749 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: What that top sheet says? Yeah, no, that like they. 750 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 2: Should have just put a stamp on it, like the 751 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: movie's Confidential. 752 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: But that kind of lit things up today on social media. 753 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do. 754 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: I know a few stories of people who said they 755 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 3: were even told by their agents, like date this person 756 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 3: and it'll help us craft your image. 757 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 2: And so I do think that happens. 758 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: Maybe even more than you and I know, because we 759 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 3: were never like deep in the I don't know, neither 760 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 3: of us was really ever that deep in that wild. 761 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: Luckily I never had to do that dance. But there 762 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: are you know, and you'll notice a lot of these 763 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: relationships go exactly seven years. 764 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 2: Wait, really, yeah, where did you hear about that. I've 765 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 2: never noticed that. Where'd you hear that. 766 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: Let's say there was a guy that was really famous 767 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: and top gun and mission impossible. If you look at 768 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: the length of his relationships, they're the same. 769 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 3: Oh well, definitely with that certain actor. There are even 770 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 3: stronger rumors about Yeah, you know, well it was like 771 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 3: a rumor for years, right, that Katie Holmes, I'm repeating 772 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 3: a rumor, but that Katie Holmes was one of several 773 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 3: women in consideration to be Tom Cruise's wife, and that 774 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 3: you know, they were all like looked at by the 775 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 3: church and yeah, interesting. 776 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: And Nicole Kidman and Nicole Kidman, they all went the 777 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: same length of time and they usually get a kid 778 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: or two out of it and move on, Well, go 779 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: live their life. 780 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: Love is real, everybody. 781 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: Love is real on the movie screen. It is. It's 782 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: just behind the scenes. And I think even Brad Pitt 783 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: and Angelina Jolie might get divorced this year, still going on, 784 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: but they the reports lately have been are we going 785 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: to finally. 786 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 2: Come to his new girlfriend? 787 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, George Clooney and them all. They had a little 788 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: double date with George and uh brow. 789 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've known for several months that Brad Pitt was 790 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 3: dating this new woman. They've gone official, I need red 791 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: carpet appearance at the Venice Film Festival and yeah, so 792 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 3: it's a fish and they looked very chic and one 793 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 3: of those beautiful I don't know what you call them, 794 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: but those wooden Venice boats with George. 795 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 2: And them all for their new movie Wolfs. 796 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 3: And it's kind of wild that we are at the 797 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 3: point of a new official red carpet relationship, but Brad. 798 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 2: Is still not divorced from Angelina. 799 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: It's someday, well, twenty twenty five. That's we're gonna hope, hope, 800 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: some and dreams for twenty twenty five. To wrap that up, Elsie, 801 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: we got to wrap this up because we get a 802 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: pack because we are heading to Los Angeles, because you 803 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: know where love is real at the wedding We're going 804 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: to this weekend. It's going to be a beautiful weekend. 805 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: You will see definitely some fun social media content because 806 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: we have a lot of friends old and new that 807 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: will be there and I'm looking forward to seeing everybody 808 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: and introducing you to some of these people because this 809 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: kind of predates you in us together. A lot of 810 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: these old relationships go back ten, fifteen, twenty years, so 811 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm excited for you to meet some of these people. 812 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 2: Maybe here's some stories about you. 813 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: And you'll definitely hear some stories about a young host 814 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: who is just helping people find love. Thank you so 815 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: much for being with us, Elsie. I'm glad you're back 816 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: because I can only take so much more World War 817 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: two content. It's great to talk to everybody again, and 818 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: we will do it again soon because we have a 819 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 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