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Speaker 1: the all all you're gonna love. Um, here's what we're demmercant. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the two guests and they'll go back to back, Okay.

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Speaker 1: One is uh, they're actually both super close friends of mine.

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Speaker 1: One is Mike Lewis us sit in coach at U

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Speaker 1: We're dropping it on a Saturday, Final four Saturday. He

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Speaker 1: love it. I mean he I think he gave me

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. And then my brother Greg, who was

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Speaker 1: And so I got his thoughts on why the Packed twelve,

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Speaker 1: is upon us going. Zack is a favorite. I've told

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Speaker 1: people all you're long, you're the best team. The best

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Speaker 1: team doesn't always win the team what happened more often

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Speaker 1: my room doesn't face that hotel, but I'm gonna go

427
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: to I'm hoping they're on this side where they're facing

428
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 1: like way through the window. You know, Like how how

429
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: sad is that? But um, I'm happy they're here. I

430
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: think it's it's great. It's gonna be a blast they

431
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: get experience it. Like we were able to go outside.

432
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 1: Victory Field is just over my right shoulder. Um, and

433
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: we walked around outside just to get some fresh air.

434
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: And they you know, they asked corts you over there

435
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: and all the safe stuff, and and Mark Few is

436
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: standing inside Victory Field and his family is standing outside

437
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: Victory Field talking through a gate. Um. But that's how

438
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: we get to communicate, you know, like it's it's um,

439
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: it's not ideal, right, But I do give the n

440
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: C a credit. They have done an unbelievable job um

441
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: and setting this up where we can do it in

442
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: a safe way and these guys get get the experience

443
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: of plan in this term and I couldn't imagine, um,

444
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: everything that went into logistically pulling this off. And they

445
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, we're a few days from from getting it done. Okay,

446
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: So you mentioned you got you got to break up

447
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: the scanter report from Michigan State. How does Mick do it? Well?

448
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: Mix it mix on every game? So we're we're a

449
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: typical staff, like we just you know, every third scout

450
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: is yours, and um, you know, Mike just dives in

451
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: head first on each one game to game the game

452
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: you know, and um, you know he'll meet with that

453
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: particular assistant that's in charge of that scouting and uh,

454
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: you bang out the game plan and go go work.

455
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: So so who had reparation? His preparation is off the charts.

456
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: It's who had Michigan State. Darren had Michigan State. Okay,

457
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 1: so Darren Servias Michigan State. UM game was and and

458
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: this is my and look, you coached in that league.

459
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: Show you tell me if I'm wrong. I believe my belief. Huh.

460
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: It was a football game, right, but but this is

461
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: my belief. People have asked, people are critical of the

462
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: Big Ten. I'm like, no, Big Ten was that good

463
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: this year. It was a great league, Okay, but every

464
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: game I did, that's what it looked like. That's what

465
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: it looked like. It was just it's a flop. It's

466
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: grabbing and holding you guys falling around, and all of

467
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, you get in the n c A tournament

468
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 1: and they don't and some of them they don't let

469
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: you play like that. Some of them they do. But

470
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: I think that that hurts That hurts them because you know,

471
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: when you can you can hand checking the whole dudes.

472
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you can get away with things like Loyola.

473
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: I thought the way they played Illinois, for example, you know,

474
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: as opposed to as opposed to the way in which

475
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: Illinois guarded them. You know, they only just kind of

476
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: grabbed them and hunt and chase them around the court

477
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: and played man up and funneled everything back to the

478
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: big guy. And that's not the play to play loyal.

479
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: I think that the way in which their lead plays

480
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: and is officiated, I think that sets them back when

481
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: they get the n C terma you've experienced, it is

482
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: that wrong? Like you tell me your your thought. I mean,

483
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: there might be something to it. I don't know. I

484
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: always you know, I think you know, matchups have a

485
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: big a lot to do with it. We we struggle.

486
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: We're down to eleven and half against Michigan State. We're

487
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: down fourteen at first half, right, yeah, and I think

488
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: it was eleven at halftime. And you know it. You

489
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: can you can speak about the physicality to your team. Um,

490
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they really believed this. Now. We played

491
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: Ohio State early in the year and we told them

492
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: then and we got pumped. Um, so we told him

493
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: the Michigan State is, you know, Ohio State on steroids

494
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: as far as the physicality, and h you know, you're

495
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: down eleven and a half. It took us a little

496
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: bit to warm up and embrace the physicality of the game.

497
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: And now once we did, then we were able to

498
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: take control, you know, in the second half and eventually winning.

499
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: But what what what'd you change? What did Nick change

500
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: at the half which kind of created soft like, hey, like, listen,

501
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: you can't be soft. We were kind of trying to

502
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: keep him in front. They're a big set team, and

503
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: we were just trying to guard guard the sets, and

504
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: we're like, you know, listen, let's let's just go try

505
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: to blow everything up. Let's blow up ball screens, let's

506
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: get out in the passing and trying to you know,

507
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: because they're there are point A to point B, two

508
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: point c and very crisp and execution. We just tried

509
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 1: to take him out of that stuff and Um just

510
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: be much more aggressive and more physical. They called time

511
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: out and they're gonna have the ball for one last

512
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: shot of regulation, okay, because they end up I think

513
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: it was an Aaron Henry like uh contested jump shots.

514
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: I think it's would end up being But what do

515
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: you remember what was what was? Do you remember what

516
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: was set metal? No? I really don't. I do remember.

517
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: We we had a good idea that hey, listen, they're

518
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna go to Henry Um and they just I

519
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: think they just ran like a little iso for him

520
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: in a slot where you could rip and drive to

521
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: his left hand. Um, just do not let him beat

522
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: you going left. Like if he's gonna beat us, making

523
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: beat you going right, they're not letting beats going left.

524
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: We Jules, I think Jules Bnard did a great job

525
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: on on that defensive play and had a great contest

526
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: and um, then we got into overtime and and really

527
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: really got out quick. Uh okay, so then you get

528
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: that done with that one, and then now the fund start.

529
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Now you get you get now you get an upset. Right. Yeah,

530
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: so we got b y U, who is a great

531
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: offensive team. You know, they play extremely fast to pace

532
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: their offense. Um, and I thought we did a really

533
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: good job against b YU just kind of um taking

534
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: away a lot of their ball screen actions and the

535
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: drible handoffs. Um, how did you do that? How do

536
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: you do? We just stayed aggressive, just blew blew him up,

537
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: like we're gonna hard hedge, We're gonna switch our likes,

538
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: um and just be ultra aggressive. You know, we can't

539
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: be passive. We learned that obviously in the first half

540
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: against Michigan State. Um, we're gonna guard harms one on one,

541
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: try to push him off the block, making you know,

542
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: try not to keep him or try to keep him

543
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: off his right shoulder, you know, because he struggles to score,

544
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: you know, other than his right shoulder. Um, and just

545
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: make things really difficult. And we had a great defensive effort.

546
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean I think they got sixty on the last

547
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: second shot UM at the end, and they enormous average

548
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: a D So again, where where where we are in

549
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: the final four? Doug? Because we've we've played you know,

550
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: however many what is that nine consecutive high level halves

551
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: of defense? Um, And that's why we're where we are.

552
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: When when you've never worked for Mick, you guys knew

553
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: each other a little bit. There was like mutual respect

554
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: there right when was there a moment where you're like, uh,

555
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: this guy can really fucking couch? It was, Um, you

556
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: know I believed it, you know when I went there,

557
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I knew he was good. Um. But in our first

558
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: year when we're struggling, I think we started eight nine

559
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: or nine and eight something like that, and he wouldn't

560
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: give in, Like he wouldn't give into those guys. He's like,

561
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: this is this is how we're gonna play, this is

562
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: how we're gonna win, Like this is what winning basketball

563
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: is like. You know, you guys have to you guys

564
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: have to change that. You can have a different voice

565
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: in this locker room. But you guys have to be

566
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: more coachable. You guys have to change your mentality. You

567
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: have to change your approach, you have to change your

568
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: work ethnic you know. And to those guys credit, they did.

569
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: And but he he never compromised, like he never gave in,

570
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: just you know, rev him up and try to win

571
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: this game, like this is how we're gonna win, you know.

572
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: And he looked at it from a long term, you know, situation,

573
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: and he's like, we're we're gonna set a standard of

574
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: how we're gonna play now and we're gonna recruit to

575
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: it and this, and but our guys bought in, man,

576
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: they brought in We we went on that run last

577
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: last year and we've had it all year now. Um,

578
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: he's a he's I think he's one of the best

579
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: in our business. I really do. Um he's got a

580
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: great way of of coaching these guys hard. Yet they know,

581
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: um how much he cares about him. Uh, he's got

582
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: a great balance when it comes to that. I mean,

583
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: he's he's I I truly believe he'll he'll be the

584
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: guy that hangs the twelve banner in Westwood. Um. Okay,

585
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: so about five more minutes, perfect perfect um, because like

586
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: I gotta do like my COVID tests of the year again,

587
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't want you to miss it. Then he missed it, Okay,

588
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: So tell me about Johnny, because Johnny last year I

589
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: did a couple of air games and it was just

590
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: it was a bit too much. Right, they went to

591
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: the three guard lineup, so he had to play some

592
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: four Everything was fast. You know, he's in the setc

593
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: there's grown men. How did you how did you get

594
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: how do you get back to being him himself? And

595
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: and by the way I played for Mick, the weakness

596
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: in his game has always been kind of toughness and defense.

597
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: So he's gotta earn his he's gotta earn a respective mix,

598
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: Like how did you guys get him? Right? Well, I

599
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: think the one one thing that that people don't you know,

600
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: that is underestimated is is he reclassed and moved up

601
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: a year. Like that's hard, but I mean, you know

602
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: how hard it is going from senior year high school

603
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: to freshman at the high major level. And and that

604
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: adjustment right, and just imagine trying to do it a

605
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: year earlier, Like it's really really hard, and especially at

606
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: a place like Kentucky and so, um, this really should

607
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: just be his freshman year college honestly. Um. But he

608
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: he came to us, and um, he is coachable. He

609
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: was open too, you know, us coaching him. We were

610
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: very straightforward with hey, um, you know, for you to

611
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: achieve the things that you want to achieve and be

612
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: become the player you want to be, you need to

613
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: do X y Z like you. You can't be a

614
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: nobody on the defensive end. We was very honest with him,

615
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: and I think he he respected the fact that, hey, listen,

616
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: these guys understand my deficiencies. They want to they're gonna

617
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: push me to get better. Um, They're gonna be there

618
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: to work with me to get better. Um. And he's

619
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: he's bought into it, you know, like has every every

620
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: day of practice been great for him? No, No, like

621
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna go through through growth as a player. But

622
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: I do think he understands that that. Um. And when

623
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: and I told him, like, when you expressed to me

624
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: what kind of player you want to be, then that's

625
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: what the player I'm gonna try to make you and

626
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push you every day to do that. And

627
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: you've got to You've got to meet me. And he, uh,

628
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: he's proven that he can be. He's his defense in

629
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: where it needs to be yet, but it's a lot

630
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: better than it was when we got him. And he's

631
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: much more conscious. He just he uh, he's competing harder

632
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: on that end. He's embraced more of the physicality of

633
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: the game. Um. And once Chris got hurt, um, you know,

634
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: mix set him down and talk like, hey, you've got

635
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: to become more than just a shooter. Like you're gonna

636
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: have to be more of a leader on this team

637
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: and more of a score not just a shooter. You're

638
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: gonna have to give to the foul line where you

639
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: have to be able to put the ball on the

640
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: floor more. Um. And he's he's really done that. He's

641
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: really grown into his role. And we wouldn't be in

642
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: the Final four without him, obviously. I mean the guys

643
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: carried us on a few games just by himself. I

644
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: got two more of the ingo. Uh. First one is

645
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned Chris. Chris Smith tours a c L and

646
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: there's video we'll put it on this there's video for

647
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Matt Orlanders TBS. She's getting mixed in the interview, and first, uh,

648
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: you're talking your point guard, right and Tiger, And then

649
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: you go over to Chris, who's not celebrating with the

650
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: rest of the guys. Um, which is like, that's the job.

651
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Everybody doesn't. I think everybody thinks the job is drawn

652
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: up plays on an applete, Right, that's the job, right,

653
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: you're in the people business. Well, what did you say

654
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: to Chris? Well, I I just you know, I this

655
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: is my first final four Doug, So like I didn't

656
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: really know how to react, you know, And I just

657
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: turned around and I saw, you know, Chris just sitting

658
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: on the bench like you know, in his in his

659
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: own thoughts. He looked a little bit emotional, and I mean,

660
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how he feels. The guy blows

661
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: out as a c enters the draft, comes back to

662
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: do and accomplished exactly what we are accomplishing. Yet he

663
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: can't be a part of it, you know. And so

664
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: I just went over and and, um, you know, he

665
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: he's as big a part of what we're doing as

666
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: anybody else. He was here when this thing got started,

667
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: last year. He was through the rough times when we

668
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: first got in here. We're trying to establish how we

669
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: want to play, how we're gonna win. Um he improved

670
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: as much as anybody a year ago. His game and

671
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: and what he could do. He put himself in a

672
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: position to UM be talked about on Draft Wars. He

673
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: decided to come back to make himself more attractive to

674
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: the NBA. UM was just starting to the round in

675
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: the form. The six months of not seeing our players

676
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: in person I think really affected him UM and his development,

677
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: but he was really starting to come into form and

678
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: just you know, letting him know that you know, he's

679
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: even though he's not playing, he's played as big a

680
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: role as anybody else. UM and us getting to the

681
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: final four and how important UM he's been to this program.

682
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: And you know, his buying into us last year, UM

683
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: kind of got everybody else the goal along with us. UM.

684
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: It was just, uh cool moment. How do you beat Consaca?

685
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: You gotta make the game ugly? In my opinion, I mean,

686
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, like nobody's done it. There's no blue

687
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: print on how to do it. Um. They're really good,

688
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: very talented, very athletic, they're big. Um, they're good. Defensively,

689
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: I think they're pretty. I think they're underrated defensively, um,

690
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: if that's possible. Extremely well coached. I mean, they're just

691
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: they got they got everything you want in a college

692
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: basketball team, Doug and Um. You know the good thing

693
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: is we're not in the NBA. We don't have to

694
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: beat them four times. We just gotta beat them once. Um.

695
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: I think for us to be successful, we just we've

696
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: got to muddy it up. Um. Just try to frustrate them,

697
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: control tempo, um, you know, be be physical. We're gonna

698
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: have to get some breaks, and then just try to

699
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: get it, get it to the under eight time out

700
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: with a chance, and then try to try to be

701
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: there at the under four and see if you can't

702
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: get them the crack. But I think the first thing

703
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: that we have to do is survived the first five

704
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: to ten minutes of the game. I mean, they they

705
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: come out and and go right at your head and

706
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: you better you better respond otherwise the game will be over.

707
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: So they're an excellent, excellent basketball team, but you're not

708
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna get You're not gonna get any freebies in the

709
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: final four. Now, last thing, kids in Indiana played Indiana,

710
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: you coached the butler. But after the final fours, now

711
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: you're at U c l A but a massive underdog.

712
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: I at least thought of the possibility to win the

713
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: next two games that might be. Like for you, I

714
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: think you always think about it, you know, you always

715
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: think about it, like you always think about being in

716
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: the final four. And and I didn't really know how

717
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: to react when it when it happened, because you're just like,

718
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, I sat out on the bench, dug, and

719
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: it was just like just kind of try to take

720
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: it all in and was just looking up and you know,

721
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, you're my career from playing

722
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: to coaching and everywhere I've been and all the people

723
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: that I've come across, just you know, kind of you know,

724
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: all the all the different um you know, memories and

725
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: feelings and all that type of stuff. Um to win

726
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: this thing, I man, I who knows, but I do.

727
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: I did. This group here is they've proven everybody wrong

728
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: so far. Um, you know, we got I think you

729
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: just go out there and try to try to win

730
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: the first four minutes and then try to go in

731
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I think I put your back up

732
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: your backup set. It was great. Yeah, yeah, I mean

733
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: we were going to the the Final four with Kenny Nba

734
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: playing twenty minutes. It was unbelievable. Like guys, guys have

735
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: really just kind of embraced the role and just it's

736
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going like, why don't they playing at end?

737
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: Then he throws at the end and there were like

738
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: five and a half ago in the game. I was like, whoa,

739
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing? I'll tell

740
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: you when when it's hard to explain, but when you

741
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: when you're with the team and you've been on something,

742
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: when you're with a team that that it it clicks

743
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: and they get it. You know it, you know, and

744
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to explain how it happens all that stuff.

745
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: But we're we're in a pretty good spot right now.

746
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: These guys have have really competed hard. It's been a

747
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I mean, if we can, if we

748
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: can win two more, um, you know, when you're at

749
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: U c l A, like when you're able to make

750
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: your mark in history at U c l A, like

751
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: you've done something. And and these guys going to the

752
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: Final four, they they get to put a year on

753
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: the big Boy banner. So, um, but you're at in

754
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: U c l A. So if you want to sit

755
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: at the big boy table, you gotta get yourself a ring.

756
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: All right, we'll go get yourself swabbed, and then we're

757
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: gonna do it. We're gonna do another one. If you win,

758
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: we gotta do another one because it's good luck. Right

759
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and then when in regardless, we're doing a post season

760
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: one and we're doing Beard stories as we're doing doing

761
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: Chris Beard stories. Wait, if we're gonna do Beard stories,

762
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: we probably need to have a beverage or to what

763
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: we're doing. That's what we're gonna do, and we can

764
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: get Beard to do it with us. He'll do it

765
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: with us. You know, he's got his fireside chats or whatever.

766
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: He's bringing those to Austin. We'll do some. We'll do uh.

767
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: He will definitely keep busting weird. Alright, go, I appreciate it.

768
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: I wish you the best of luck tomorrow. Kill it

769
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: all right, appreciated man. Thanks, all right, that's it from

770
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: Mike Lewis. Now let's welcome in my brother Greg Gottli.

771
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: He's been assistant Code saying he was state for eight

772
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: years when Steve Fisher took over Cal for six. I

773
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: think we're gonna say five. Um, so no one knows

774
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. Like Greg Goblet, you were the longest

775
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: tenured assistant in the PAC twelve. What's your reaction to

776
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: the league's success in the n c A tournament. Well,

777
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: first of all, historical perspective, My first year in the

778
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: PAC twelve was the last year the u c L

779
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: he went to the final four. And uh, that by

780
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: far and away in the last fifteen years, was the

781
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: best yearly because if you look at the talent that

782
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: was in that class. Uh. In the PAC ten you're

783
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: talking James Harden, was that Arizona State O j Mayo

784
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: to Gibson it usc you got Russell, uh Westbrook, Kevin

785
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: Love among probably a half dozen pros on that teammate

786
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: l A, I mean everybody, the Lopez Twins at Stanford,

787
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: everybody had pros um and so um at any rate,

788
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this year and I'm thinking tremendous. Uh.

789
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: A lot of times I think the PAC twelve hasn't

790
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: gotten the credit when credit was due because they didn't

791
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: do well in the non conference. And uh, I think

792
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: everybody would attest if you're in the league, say when

793
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: the league is down, the games weren't any harder to eat,

794
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: they weren't any easier to win than now. Uh. And

795
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: so I'm looking at it right now, I think you

796
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: got um Oregan State, they win the conference tournament. They're

797
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: playing they were playing hot. They they kind of came

798
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: together at the right time. U. C. L A just

799
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: was a gritty team all year. I mean they had

800
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: more close games and probably any team in the country. Um,

801
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: you know Colorado, I think that was an extremely experienced team,

802
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: just about everybody returning and added a couple of really

803
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: big times grad transfers, and they were pretty consistent all

804
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: year long. Um, we all knew Oregon was the most

805
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: talent the team in the league, and and USC did

806
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: an incredible Johnble kind of melding a group of some

807
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: of their core returning players and a bunch of grad

808
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: chancellors and then somebody special like Evan Mobley. I mean

809
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: it really there's only one freshman that really made an

810
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: impact on any one of those teams, and that's even Mobile.

811
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: So you're looking at experience group, and I think in

812
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: today's game, you win with experience, and that's probably a

813
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: big reason for their success. Okay, so the question becomes,

814
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: how does the league UM parlay this into more success? Sure, well, again,

815
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go backwards a little bit. I think a

816
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: success there as many fathers and failures in orphans and

817
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: right now I saw where a lot of the athletic

818
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: structures of PACTORL come out and started patting themselves on

819
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: the back. Boy, we did a great job with this

820
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: new scheduling philosophy has really helped our programs. And I

821
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: don't see where scheduling came in to UM play this year,

822
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of teams didn't even play the schedule

823
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: they were they had initially scheduled a year in advance.

824
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Number one, number two. The team's got they didn't get

825
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: very high seats. UM. But I do think, UM, you're

826
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: you look at a program like Oregon State and I think, UM, Now,

827
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, there's a lot of

828
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: people that are talking about them. There's a pouse that's

829
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: created a kind of you know, winning in the tournament

830
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: kind of gets you a little more credibility. So now

831
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: they'll be able to UM get to the table with

832
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe kids that are a little bit more highly regarded

833
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: whether it's high school kids, local kids, um or um.

834
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: You know, even the portal which right now everybody's recruiting

835
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: kids in the transfer make so. But because everybody is

836
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: doing it now, um, there's still a pecking order and

837
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, but you're gonna see teams and um, you know,

838
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: obviously USC having a tremendous uh kad probably one of

839
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: the as probably had as good years anybody as a

840
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: grad transfer. You're gonna see as grad transfer is gonna

841
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: look and say, hey, why not go there? That worked

842
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: out pretty good for them? Um, how do you And

843
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: you know when you were at Cow, you didn't have

844
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: one I want anyone and done. They had Sharif and

845
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: they had jail and after you. But there's some people

846
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: that believe, well, it's like a cognitive thought to recruit

847
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: of one and done, whereas I don't actually think that's

848
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: the way it works. Like I could be wrong. I

849
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: haven't recruited like you have, so like DaShan Knicks for example. Okay,

850
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: so you c l A when Mick got the job

851
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: and he hired Mike Lewis, Mike's a good friend of mine,

852
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: and he said, like our number one focuses Dasan Nix.

853
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: We want a big time point guard. He's the best one. Now,

854
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: obviously they got there was a bit of a bad

855
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: luck because of quarantine last year in the shutdown, and

856
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: then Dation, who was all in, I'm going to play

857
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: in college, decide to go to the G League select

858
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: when they kind of up the offer. But when you

859
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: start recruiting a kid, is there any level of concern

860
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: with him being a one and done? Is that like

861
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: a cognitive like, hey, we should recruit him. No, he's

862
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: a one and done, we should not recruit. Well. I

863
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: definitely think that was something I learned working for Mike Montgomery,

864
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, and um you know his He was the

865
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: one that kind of pointed that out a lot of times.

866
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: Because I don't think it's necessarily bad if a kid

867
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: is good enough to go to play the NBA after

868
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: his first year, but I think it's pretty got in

869
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: his mind he's one and done and he's already got

870
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: one foot out the door before you get there, or

871
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: he's everything is all about me. Then I think those

872
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: kids are gonna be hard to win with. To be honest, um,

873
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: because at some point I don't care who you are,

874
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: how good you are, you gotta give yourself to the

875
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: team and make some sacrifices. I think you saw that

876
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: with Evan Mowbury. I think you know he didn't he

877
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: didn't need the ball every time down the floor. He

878
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: was someone who took plays even when he didn't have

879
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: the ball. Um. There was obviously times that he did

880
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: make some places, but other people stepped up as well,

881
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: so he was surrounded by other experienced players. You know,

882
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I think when you look at teams that have struggled

883
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: with the one and done kids, teams who are entirely

884
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: led by guys that are a inexperience and be like

885
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: I said that one and done super talented, But I

886
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: mean I could Ben Simmons is the first one that

887
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: comes to mind. His team didn't go to the n

888
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: c A tournament. Um. Um, you know there's a there's

889
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: been a bunch of them markul folks. You know they

890
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: had they really struggled and he was the number one

891
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: thing in the draft and watched and struggled. Um. Sometimes

892
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to win with those guys because of their um.

893
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a little bit all about me. But I

894
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: do think the right kind of kid. There's there's still

895
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: a place for those guys. UM, But also you gotta

896
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, now everybody's recruiting one year at a time,

897
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: regardless whether you're talking about a one and done for

898
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: a lottery picked or you're talking about a kid who's

899
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: got one year left on a grad transfer. I think

900
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: most teams right now are are trying to assemble their

901
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: roster for next year right now. That's it. They're not

902
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: thinking about what's happening in four years. They're trying to

903
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: assemble next year's team because kids are gonna leave. Do

904
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: you like that? UM? I don't know that I necessarily

905
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: like it or not. I think, you know, it's really

906
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: more about um analyzing what's going on, and then you know,

907
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: adjusting and adapting to what what's happening number one and

908
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: then number two, you know, trying to be creative and

909
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: in terms of what you're recruiting, strategy or philosophy is

910
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: because if you're not at the top of the food chain, UM,

911
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: you're not gonna necessarily get the same guys that everyone

912
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: else off the same beer as everyone else, so speak.

913
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: So you know, I think if you look back ten

914
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: years ago, you know, Iowa State was an example, was

915
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: right away, but they made a living on transfers. But

916
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: no one else in the league was really recruiting transfers.

917
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: They were getting high school kids. But now Kansas has

918
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: taken a transfer. I mean I just saw where Kansas

919
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: has taken a Division two kid who's transferring up, who's

920
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be a heck of a player. But the

921
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: point is, I mean, if the people at the time

922
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: of the you know, the basketball food chain or or

923
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: recruiting chansfers, and if you're not at the top, you

924
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: may need to find another area, you know, And then

925
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: evaluation becomes a really important part of uh the equation

926
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: as well, because there's a lot valuating kids on film

927
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: right now based on synergy, which is how you watch

928
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: all the college game films or junior college game films,

929
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: Division two films, everything is on Synergy. Yeah, I think

930
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: though that one of the things that that we've lost

931
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: sight of is you know, and you know, it's interesting

932
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: that it coincides with the Supreme Court case against the

933
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: n b A, But no one's ever like there was

934
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: no question of why do people watch they're a college

935
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: basketball team play, right, and you watch kids your school

936
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: and you learn about the kids but you also watch

937
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: because the kids, but you've seen them kind of grow

938
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: and evolve over time. And now it's like we need

939
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: name tags for every kid on every school and then

940
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: like how many like now we have like two time transfers,

941
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: which is a lot, you know, And I just I

942
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: think we're taking from a bit of the core of

943
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be about, um, because everybody's chasing

944
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: after that, whether it's the almighty dollar or recognition or

945
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: playing time whatever, like people don't people are going to

946
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: the continue to struggle to watch, especially earlier year, because

947
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: you're like, not just I don't know who these kids are.

948
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: Were the ones that I do know, they're playing in

949
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: a different team that I remember. And that's really that

950
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: that's just hard, you know, you in college basketball is

951
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: that it's a it's a its peak and I granted

952
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: there's always been guys leave early, and this is just

953
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: but this is the auization really of of of college basketball,

954
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: and that you know, it almost feels like at some

955
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: point we're gonna go to, oh, you're unhappy this semester, Well,

956
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: next semester, you should go play at a different school.

957
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: I think there's validity what you're saying, but I mean

958
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: you look at the n b A and I mean

959
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: the NBA has got, you know, the same thing. You've

960
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: got guys that are forcing trades, and there's people that

961
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: are constantly on different teams, and people are going to

962
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: still follow their schools no matter who we got to

963
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: the school. UM, I guess. Um. As a coach, my

964
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: thing would be just, um, you just gotta see where

965
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: the trends are and and instead of fighting it, you've

966
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: got to kind of be able to figure out how

967
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: you can thrive given whatever this scenario is. Because if

968
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: you could say that, we could say the same thing

969
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: about the rules and the way some of the rules

970
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: that have that have changed the way the games being

971
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: played and whether we like it or not, but this

972
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: is how the game is being officiated or these are

973
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: some of the new rules of the three point lines here,

974
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: it's further out than what it was. So that's that's

975
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: the rule. Um. I mean there's a lot of things

976
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: that kind of go into the way that the game evolves. UM. Yeah,

977
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: it's really hard to build a program because kids that

978
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: are freshmen very very unlikely they're gonna play four years

979
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: in your program. Um, and you still we still are

980
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: trying to help these kids graduate and you know, we

981
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: want to turn them into people that can be productive,

982
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: uh in society when they move on. You know, those

983
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: are still big parts of UM what you're doing, and

984
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: mentoring is a big part of it. And I think

985
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, you hate that kids could potentially drop leave

986
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: every when there's a sign of adversity, when things don't

987
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: go well, it's well, it's not my fault, it's coaches

988
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: is coaches fault or these other scenarios, and you'd like

989
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: to see them fight through the adversity because everyone's gonna

990
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: face it at some point. And uh so that's the

991
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: that I think is interesting, you know. You know, and

992
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: if we go back to the Pack twelve overall, you know,

993
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: back to the original question why we think they're so

994
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: successful UM. You know, even the word adversity, I think

995
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: every single one of those teams faced a good amount

996
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: of adversity during the course of this year, and really

997
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: UM came out on the other end really strong. I

998
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: mean Oregon, I mean they are played during the month

999
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: of January and early part of February and and still

1000
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: had a chance to win the league, which is incredible,

1001
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: right or you know Organs State. You know, they started

1002
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: off slow. I mean they had a couple of really

1003
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: bad losses early on and didn't think like things were

1004
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: going their way, and they turned it around. You know

1005
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: u c l A. Adversity, lose your best player early

1006
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: in the year. Um, they lost a handful of games

1007
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Get in the playing game, and I've

1008
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: been in that game, and you know, a lot of

1009
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: it is your attitude of mindset because some sometimes you know, uh,

1010
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: your kids can be disappointed that they're in the playing

1011
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: game and as or they could be excited that they're

1012
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: just glad to be there. And if you have your

1013
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: u c l A, we expect to be there. That's hard.

1014
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: So that's a tremendous accomplishment for their staff to handle that.

1015
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: And that's really been a here to deal with this year.

1016
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: To all the adversity and then and again back to

1017
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: your what we were just talking about. You know, you

1018
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: wonder how kids are gonna handle it versity all the time.

1019
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: They're always gonna quit, and are we teaching them the

1020
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: right thing to give up and go somewhere else? So

1021
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's an interesting fine line, right because

1022
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 1: there are some kids who're like, hey, you're not gonna

1023
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: be happy unless you're playing, and you're not gonna play

1024
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: a ton here, or by the time you do play,

1025
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, you may be so embroiled in unhappiness. On

1026
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: the other hand, there is the you know, there's so

1027
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: many these stories of kids who you know, you wait

1028
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: your turn, you get your turn, and your game has developed,

1029
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: you take off, you know, and it's the overcoming at

1030
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: versity and once it was like a really hard thing

1031
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: to balance. And then the other thing that one of

1032
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: the best about one of the best things going was

1033
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: it was on uh Twitter feed one day, I believe

1034
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: it was a kid from Abilene Christian who didn't play

1035
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: a minute in the game, and he was they kept

1036
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: showing him behind the bench and how fired up he was.

1037
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: You know those kids are now there's the kids are

1038
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, they're rare. You know. You sometimes you pan

1039
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: over a bench and you get a kid pouting, you

1040
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: know because they're not playing. You know, so um, you

1041
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: know right now where that's one of the biggest things

1042
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: of the coaches to try and get all your your

1043
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: everybody on your team willing to sacrifice a little bit

1044
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: of themselves for the good of the order. UM. And

1045
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 1: usually they are the ones the benefit the most. UM.

1046
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: And you know, I think most of these kids that

1047
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: have just recently, like we're talking about the Pact twelve

1048
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: over teams are going to the n c A tournament

1049
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: for the first time in school history or things of

1050
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: that nature. I mean, they're so appreciative of the sacrifice

1051
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: they made. Looking back, I gotta believe every one of

1052
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 1: those kids, UM, in all those programs we're talking about

1053
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: right now, are on a high right now, UM, and realize,

1054
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: like you know, those are gonna be moments. They're gonna

1055
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: be talked about for years. UM. You know at their

1056
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: prospective schools when they come back and talk about an

1057
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: Oregon State being at the Elite eight, you know, or

1058
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: USC at Elite eight, um U c l A going

1059
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: to a Final four. You know, those are things that

1060
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: people are gonna remember those teams. UM. You know you

1061
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: make history. UM. What do you think of Gonzaga? Man?

1062
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: You talk um again, I'll tell you the incredible team.

1063
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: And I think what's not talked about enough and we're

1064
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: just talking about adversity, but you know, in every team

1065
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: of cases of the adversity for Gonzaga is you know,

1066
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: how do you handle success night in night out like

1067
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: he's done such a good job. Not just levelheaded and

1068
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: be ready to go, but like there it compete night

1069
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: in night out. There's son stant you know, and some

1070
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: of that is just about the ability to deliver effort.

1071
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: You know, you could get beat by an interior team

1072
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: on any given night. And I mean they are so

1073
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: consistent with you know, they have an inside outside punch.

1074
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: They got great shooting like Kissford, it might be one

1075
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: of the best shooters in the country. They got guys

1076
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: who can score it the block, they're hard to score on.

1077
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: They've got good length, I got a great freshman guard.

1078
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean, they got a little bit of everything, and

1079
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: they got depth. Um and I gotta believe their practices

1080
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: are a war because um again, they bring it every

1081
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: time they cross the lines on the games. So I

1082
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: think everybody would be shocked if um they don't want

1083
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: it based on their performance. And yet every team that's

1084
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: playing right now, there's still left they're all really good.

1085
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: So um, you know, if you see they can slow

1086
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: him down, I didn't think you c l I will

1087
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: be able to flow down Michigan and hold them to

1088
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: forty seven points, but they did heck of a job

1089
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: and that was with without Okay, last thing, Um, we've

1090
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: seen u c l A make the final four with

1091
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Ben Howland and yet for whatever reason, he could never

1092
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: keep everybody happy there. What like, what is what does

1093
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: Mick have to do? I mean, other than you continue

1094
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: to win? Is there anything you can do at u

1095
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: c l A to be more accepted because you know

1096
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: the Ben thing. I do think that there's some recruiting

1097
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: stuff that went awride something some of the ways in

1098
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: which he was perceived and guys he played and guys

1099
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: he didn't play, etcetera. They never really seem to get

1100
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: into Steve Alford. But that's like every u c l

1101
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: A coach right where they don't even Jim Eric won

1102
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: a national title and yeah you had the Moni's thing

1103
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: and the expense reports, but that seems so minor. But

1104
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: they're never truly into Jim America. What can you and

1105
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: I have been around it our whole lot, but you've

1106
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: actually been in the league for over a decade. So

1107
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: how do you how do you fix the u c

1108
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: l A thing where there's always a disconnect. I think

1109
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: I think everybody looks at all these other things. But

1110
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: and you you know, you Kentucky Duke. Those are two

1111
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: examples this year where I mean they just flat out

1112
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: weren't the same program. And I think U c l A,

1113
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: both for Steve Alford and Ben Allen, Um, you know,

1114
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: the biggest problem they had every year was turnover. You know,

1115
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: and you just mentioned it earlier. I mean, they they

1116
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: had so many kids that were, um playing only one

1117
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: or two years in the program. I mean, you know,

1118
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: Steve Alfred has the year with Lonzo Ball at t

1119
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: J Leeve Lonzo Ball and forgot the other big kid's name.

1120
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they have three freshmen going to the draft

1121
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: right away. I mean, there's your recruiting class done, and

1122
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: you're every year you're constantly having to about a thousand

1123
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: with who you bring in, and if you don't, you're

1124
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: in trouble. And I think that's what's kind of happened

1125
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: a little bit with Kentucky and Doc this year. But

1126
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: and um, that's what happened with U c l A.

1127
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: I think both Ben Holland and and Steve Alford had

1128
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: some of those same issues. I think that's been a

1129
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: huge issue for them. UM and I think but for Mick,

1130
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: but this particular team, I think you pointed it out earlier.

1131
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they got some really good players, but did

1132
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: they have anybody who's a surefire ten year pro and

1133
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: their team? I don't know. And obviously Johnny Jus has

1134
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: been tremendous um, but you know, I don't know that

1135
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: they have anybody who's gonna put their name in the draft.

1136
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: Wings he was over just because he's been so good.

1137
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: But but Use is the guy who they got the

1138
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: benefit of. You know, he goes to Kentucky and he

1139
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: sees some adversity and he leaves right, and so he's

1140
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: already seen how hard it is to make it in

1141
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: college basketball, you know, so even as a a you know,

1142
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: a sophomore, he's kind of seen the other side to it.

1143
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: So there's a different level of of buying into what

1144
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: he's doing in terms of his workouts and understanding for

1145
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: how valuable time minutes are and he had to kind

1146
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: of earn it, you know. So like even that kind

1147
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: of worked out in their favors, you know. But they're

1148
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna return an experienced core lineup of kids even next year.

1149
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: Is the point whereas, yeah, the normal thing anywhere. Kimon

1150
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. Um, what's the other singleton's not

1151
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: going anywhere? You know, as long as they're happy with

1152
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: their playing time, which it's it would be really amazing.

1153
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: You know. I saw Adam Miller, a freshman who started

1154
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: for Illinois, like in the portal. Like, dude, you started

1155
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: as a freshman on a team the one that think

1156
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: tournament and kind of won the Big Ten. Like what

1157
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: more do you want? I don't get it. And I

1158
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: think you know, that's why coaches are constantly recruiting, and

1159
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, always if you're not, you're in tro you know,

1160
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: and you've got to always you gotta that people are

1161
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: always always be recruiting. I think it's you know, and

1162
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: because you never know who's who's gonna um surprise you

1163
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: and and leave, and you have to protect the program

1164
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: as a whole. Uh So, you know, But you were

1165
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: asking specific about in u c l A. But I

1166
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: think all those teams that you're gonna look at, see

1167
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: a lot of these teams. You know. The interesting thing

1168
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: everybody in the n c A gets their year back. Um,

1169
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: but it's the power of five level. Very few kids

1170
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: that our seniors are gonna stay and repeat that fifth

1171
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: year or you know, a big advantage of that they

1172
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: want to go play professionally and then there and you know,

1173
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: you only have such a small window to make money

1174
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: whether you're going to be make money as an NBA

1175
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: player as overseas. So I understand, but it is an

1176
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: interesting thing in that regard as well. Um, I think

1177
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: there's a I think it's a bit of a misconception there,

1178
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: to be honest with the overseas. Like I understand the NBA,

1179
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: the you have a tency to pick your part, but

1180
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: when you go overseas like they don't usually it's not

1181
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: really about potential. You know, they're not gonna stash you

1182
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: away for a couple of years. There's no G League thing.

1183
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: They're not gonna Can they loan you out to another team? Yeah,

1184
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: but there's very few teams that want to do that.

1185
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: So I almost feel like some of these guys, like

1186
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: if you are not established as to who you are

1187
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: and what you're about and what type of player you are,

1188
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: then stay another year and continue to build up kind

1189
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: of your resume and your game so that when you

1190
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: do get that opportunity overseas, like you're just you're ready

1191
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: like you can just kick, but I I understand that's

1192
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: not what people will do. I'm just saying that would

1193
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: be my having lived it, Like, it's so much better

1194
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: to be ready and you know, to have a completely

1195
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: refined game and being mature because you're playing against grown

1196
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: men when you when you get over there, you'll play

1197
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: against the twenty eight year old dude who's this that's

1198
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: his paycheck. You know, kids are always going to view

1199
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: themselves as an exception to the rule, though, and right

1200
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: now that if we didn't have the pandemic, the league

1201
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: was really showing themselves to be a viable, viable force

1202
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: and a good alternative for kids to where there was

1203
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: a lot of kids that, um, we're getting an opportunity

1204
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: through the G League to make it to the NBA. Now,

1205
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: making in the NBA, playing in the NBA and actually

1206
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: getting an NBA contract a really two different things, right,

1207
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that did get an opportunity,

1208
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of those kids all right

1209
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: now that we're talking about are thinking, look, I'll go

1210
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: play in the G League and I'll get an opportunity

1211
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: for you know, a call up or you know beyond um,

1212
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: you know, one of those two way players, Um, whether

1213
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: they are going to be or not. That's the way

1214
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: they view themselves usually, and there's nothing wrong with that,

1215
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: you know. And again I think the more important thing

1216
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: is just figuring out who wants to be there. I have, uh,

1217
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: who's got two feet in and and um go to

1218
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: work and then when the season is over, you know,

1219
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: I think if they got those are their astivations, you know,

1220
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: you gotta wish them well. And and that's why you've

1221
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: got to be thinking, you know, right now the trend

1222
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: is worrying about who's on your roster for next year,

1223
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, and don't worry about you know, it's hard

1224
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: to worry about three years until you work about next

1225
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: year stuff. They just that's what I think a lot

1226
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: of coaches are doing right now. Yea, And maybe some

1227
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: coaches won't say that, but you can look at what

1228
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: the trend is in terms of recruiting. What that's hurt

1229
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: is hurt opportunities for high school players. Because there's one

1230
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: high school players didn't coaches didn't get out to see

1231
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 1: high school players this year. Um, there are schools where

1232
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: kids can have another year. So that's the last high

1233
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: school players are gonna get recruited because of that, and um,

1234
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: and then because they're taking transfers instead of recruding high

1235
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: school players, the shuffle in the deck and some people

1236
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: are getting you know, recycled, let's say. And so I

1237
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of parents right now, kids who

1238
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: are in the two thousand twenty one class, that are

1239
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: concerned that there won't be a whole lot of opportunities

1240
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: for their kids. Perfect spot to end it on. I

1241
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining me. You got it, Dougie. All right,

1242
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: there's your a little bit of precursor getting ready for

1243
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: the Final four, plus yellow flavor to what it's really

1244
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: like at the Final four. Feel free to send me

1245
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: out some some tweets and some some questions. I think we'll

1246
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: record one after the game and have that up on Sunday. Um,

1247
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,880
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