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Speaker 3: Danielle the giant yellow mug that said.
Speaker 4: I wanted that to go to Scott's house because we
Speaker 4: don't want I would get it there, like save it.
Speaker 2: But honestly, I don't want it. What am I going
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Speaker 4: It would be the coolest background to just have a
Speaker 4: giant yellow coffee cup behind you.
Speaker 3: Oh that's hilarious. Oh my god, it could be the
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Speaker 3: the neon signs, like all this crap. I finally had
Speaker 3: to get a storage thing for the garage. Here's the rug.
Speaker 3: The yellow rug is TBD where it's going. It's a
Speaker 3: fight right now because I don't want to get rid
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 4: Do you want a yellow road for any takers? Any
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Speaker 2: How about putting it in your foyer?
Speaker 3: Seriously, we don't live in mansions like you do. Apparently,
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Speaker 3: I'll put it in my pool house. Oh wait, I
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Speaker 2: Do you have a pool? You have a pool?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have a pool down the store.
Speaker 3: I have a community pool.
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Speaker 3: I might get a hot tub if, if, if people
Speaker 3: keep listening to this podcast, I might be able to
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Speaker 3: It's all right. You're Luke, So we understand that you
Speaker 3: might have a hot tub and maybe a couple other
Speaker 3: things we don't have. It's okay, you're you're Luke. For
Speaker 3: seven seasons and four movies. Starts all right.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed watching the live stream.
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Speaker 2: of I'm okay, You're okay? Was that seventeen, season six,
Speaker 2: episode seventeen? Yep?
Speaker 3: What's your initial thought on I'm okay, You're okay?
Speaker 2: I'm all over the place?
Speaker 3: Really, I actually loved it.
Speaker 2: Thought I thought it was unfocused.
Speaker 3: It is a little a little there's a lot happening,
Speaker 3: but I was giggling the whole time.
Speaker 4: MM, lots of bones to pick.
Speaker 2: And right, I have a boney I'm right there in
Speaker 2: the boneyard with you, Danielle. There's something and maybe that's
Speaker 2: my favorite line has to do with bones as well.
Speaker 2: Who is doing the synopsisizations.
Speaker 5: Danielle or Susanne Wait is gonna say we can let
Speaker 5: Danielle have her job back.
Speaker 4: I'm oh my god, I heard he did such a
Speaker 4: good job. So I'm okay you keeping it? Why don't
Speaker 4: you go for it?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 5: Okay, we can alternate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good idea. I like that. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: So this is season six, episode seventeen, I'm okay, You're okay.
Speaker 5: It originally aired on April fourth, two thousand and six.
Speaker 5: Things are not okay with Lugan, Larelei, and Rory and Logan.
Speaker 5: Rory decides to forgive Logan a little quicker than we thought. Meanwhile,
Speaker 5: Luke is accepting gifts from someone other than larele I,
Speaker 5: plus Emily and Richard maybe moving to Stars Hollow, and
Speaker 5: Zach finally gets approval from missus Kim to Mary Lane.
Speaker 3: So, right off the bat, what stood out to me
Speaker 3: is it's the very same moment as we left off
Speaker 3: in the episode before no time has passed. It is
Speaker 3: literally maybe five minutes later because Rory and Paris are
Speaker 3: eating the Chinese food. Now, so I thought oh, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: I like that. I liked that scene.
Speaker 5: It was nice to see Paris and Rory having a
Speaker 5: friendship moment and not yet arguing about something mm hmm.
Speaker 6: And they kind of just cleared up the air between
Speaker 6: like they're even between the paper and kicking around. They're like,
Speaker 6: all right, I think we're good.
Speaker 4: And they're both like, screw these guys, Like we got us,
Speaker 4: you know, we got.
Speaker 3: Our our friends with a sweet scene. And I was
Speaker 3: glad we didn't labor sort of like drama between them.
Speaker 3: It was just like, boom, we're good, we're good. Knock knock,
Speaker 3: knock ye on the door.
Speaker 2: They just blew past Paris, didn't he.
Speaker 3: That was a funny scene for me. Logan and Paris.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is actually cracking me up. And
Speaker 3: I don't want to rot it, but my best line
Speaker 3: is when he says I don't want you back. I
Speaker 3: thought that they were great together. We don't get to
Speaker 3: see them quite enough. I mean a few times, but
Speaker 3: like they had a funny ping pong and she was
Speaker 3: keeping up and so was he. It was like level up,
Speaker 3: level up. I I really enjoyed the whole open of
Speaker 3: this whole thing. Yeah, me, too.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: And then Doyle shows up with.
Speaker 4: The jacket and the jacket and the rhyanstone jacket.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, like that, the whole thing was great.
Speaker 6: That was funny, the part where he was like, oh,
Speaker 6: I almost I don't remember the exact line, but like
Speaker 6: I almost like like met.
Speaker 3: Another girl tonight.
Speaker 6: Laura and Rory quickly just like Chosai like, oh, it's.
Speaker 4: Not gonna help your case, Doyle, shut up.
Speaker 3: Funny lines. And then then the part that I sort
Speaker 3: of wanted to dig into is like we go into
Speaker 3: the you know, hallway of the apartment building where Logan
Speaker 3: and Rory are really talking, and he's like, I love you,
Speaker 3: I wanted to. I chose to be your boyfriend. I'm
Speaker 3: faithful and it wasn't hard, but we were broken up.
Speaker 3: And then they kind of have this conversation about it
Speaker 3: and she's sort of like, I guess, I guess. And
Speaker 3: then it was like, Okay, she's not she's.
Speaker 2: Not convinced, but now she's not. She's going along with it,
Speaker 2: but she's not convinced yet.
Speaker 3: Which we yeah, at the end we realized that, So
Speaker 3: what did you guys think of that? She kind of
Speaker 3: took him back so fast. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 4: How to rewind the scene because I was like, did
Speaker 4: I did I miss something? Like what like she she took.
Speaker 3: Him back so fast the same day as the wedding, Yeah,
Speaker 3: hours later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just think she's worn down by
Speaker 2: his persistence.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just at her so much and for
Speaker 2: so long, and I think she just got worn down,
Speaker 2: and like, oh god.
Speaker 3: It is impossible that she likes him so much. She's
Speaker 3: losing herself a little bit, Like she likes him so
Speaker 3: much that she's sort of caving because I still agree
Speaker 3: with him, right, So my opinion is he is right,
Speaker 3: he didn't cheat on her. But pretend I'm on team
Speaker 3: Rory on this. She likes him so much that she's
Speaker 3: sort of like she's not willing to lose him. She
Speaker 3: doesn't want to risk it.
Speaker 6: I totally see that. But I also thought, like she
Speaker 6: just doesn't have a backbone. She's kind of just like
Speaker 6: doing whatever, Like she's like, all right, well, I mean
Speaker 6: I need a place to live, so I guess I'll
Speaker 6: just go back to your place instead of staying with pair.
Speaker 6: Like it just she doesn't really stand up for herself.
Speaker 6: But I also kind of agree with what you say, Amy,
Speaker 6: like maybe she really loves him, or maybe she doesn't
Speaker 6: know how she doesn't know how much she loves him,
Speaker 6: like she's trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4: I also think Rory and Lorlai share this in common,
Speaker 4: especially in this episode. The two of them don't go
Speaker 4: towards conflict, like they try really hard avoiding it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so I think this was Rory's way of being like.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's just get back together.
Speaker 4: It's not worth like the argument and keeping this going,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I don't know, that's that's how I
Speaker 4: took it.
Speaker 5: It was definitely a theme throughout the whole episode was
Speaker 5: each of them in parallel trying to keep the peace
Speaker 5: in their own relationships and is wrong, everything's fine, you know,
Speaker 5: like the title of the episode, I'm okay, You're okay.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, let's just gloss over any issues
Speaker 5: because we don't want to have a big fight about it.
Speaker 7: And Logan has maybe oh sorry, go Scott, maybe sorry,
Speaker 7: But maybe she's just giving him the benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 7: right maybe right, like she has she doesn't come one
Speaker 7: hundred percent back. It's just like okay, I'm about fifty
Speaker 7: percent back, sixty percent back.
Speaker 2: I'll give the benefit of the doubt. If he screws
Speaker 2: up again, I'm out of here forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of I sort of agree with you.
Speaker 3: My other sort of just thought is of all the boyfriends,
Speaker 3: Logan is the one that sort of has what's the word,
Speaker 3: a little bit of I don't want to say power,
Speaker 3: it's not the right word. A little bit of something
Speaker 3: over her whole leverage, you know how like in a relationship, right,
Speaker 3: Like Jess and Rory were very easy. Rory had this
Speaker 3: over Dean. Logan now has it over her just a
Speaker 3: little bit, like just a tad. She's still like obviously
Speaker 3: she wasn't gonna date him when he was dating one
Speaker 3: hundred people, so she has like she's still Rory in it,
Speaker 3: but there's.
Speaker 4: Is like wearing the pants in the relationship kind of
Speaker 4: but you're.
Speaker 3: Something like that, right, It's like he sort of has
Speaker 3: convinced her now of this, and she's like, Okay, let's
Speaker 3: go home. You know, I don't know what I would
Speaker 3: have done in her shoes. What I think I would
Speaker 3: have done maybe is say, look, I hear you, I'm
Speaker 3: not moving back in with you. I'm gonna stay here
Speaker 3: with Paris. We're gonna talk again tomorrow. Let's let's have dinner.
Speaker 3: You know, like she sort of just became too.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's maybe, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe she
Speaker 2: feels a little bit empowered now because she sees how
Speaker 2: much he needs and how lost he is with her
Speaker 2: because his desperation is real.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a great perspective and tracks with the end
Speaker 3: of the episode.
Speaker 2: So it's like she probably takes like, Okay, guys are weak.
Speaker 2: My mom told me guys are like this. He's weak
Speaker 2: two and he needs me. And now this feels like
Speaker 2: a little bit more familiar territory to me because I've
Speaker 2: experienced sort of mothering Jess and mothering Deans.
Speaker 3: So I had not even considered that until you're saying that.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting is it is how the episode tracks right,
Speaker 3: because she just bails him. She goes to stars Hollow,
Speaker 3: does not tell him, doesn't answer her phone as it's
Speaker 3: ringing and ringing and ringing, right, and at the end
Speaker 3: is sort of like, no, we're fine. But it's like, well, Scott,
Speaker 3: you might be right.
Speaker 2: She now has psychological advantage in you. Right, It's a
Speaker 2: power shift.
Speaker 3: Mm hm oh, I did not even someone think of that.
Speaker 3: I sort of he had it, But you're.
Speaker 2: Right, amore, doesn't whoa?
Speaker 3: What does everybody else think of that? I'm sort of
Speaker 3: thinking I might be changing my mind.
Speaker 5: Shoot, I mean it does, Yeah, because the rest of
Speaker 5: the episode supports Scott's theory more than mine.
Speaker 3: Although I was certain I was right that she's more
Speaker 3: passive to him the rest of the episode, because if
Speaker 3: you're passive, puppy dog, she's not gonna leave him for
Speaker 3: the weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. And she's not answering the calls or
Speaker 4: him or doing any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: And telling him the phone die, the phone didn't die.
Speaker 3: We heard it ring ring ring ring ring. N Oh,
Speaker 3: that's true.
Speaker 8: God, whoa with the theory that Usually we're just humbling
Speaker 8: him on how wrong he is, and in this case, Rappola.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, vulnerability is one thing, truth is
Speaker 2: one thing, but he's really just, you know, he's just
Speaker 2: I didn't even write for a takeover, and I don't
Speaker 2: think she's going to take full advantage of it. I
Speaker 2: just think she's going to have fun with it for
Speaker 2: a while to see if he you know, she's he's
Speaker 2: the one that's got to get the he's the one
Speaker 2: that's got to get the backbone.
Speaker 3: Or even subconsciously she sort of has realized now, right, oh, whoa,
Speaker 3: this will be interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there there is still that element of
Speaker 5: passive aggressiveness in there on Rory's part.
Speaker 3: So it's very much I think it's out. It's not
Speaker 3: nice if your boyfriend's calling in, calling in and calling
Speaker 3: you and you don't answer, that's intentionally making that person suffer.
Speaker 3: And I'm not really a fan of that. And but
Speaker 3: it is kind of a little maniacal. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And but then when he's like when he's talking to her,
Speaker 5: she's like, oh no, nothing's wrong, Like she's making up
Speaker 5: excuses like oh, like we said, avoiding the conflict.
Speaker 3: So it's like she's both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she is both, well she kind of she does
Speaker 2: kind of have the moral high ground here somewhat correct.
Speaker 3: You're right, she did not.
Speaker 2: Go off and she wasn't with other guys, she wasn't
Speaker 2: dating and it was she dating anybody? No, gosh, no,
Speaker 2: I mean can you imagine that? I mean, what if
Speaker 2: she turned around and act the same way he did?
Speaker 2: And right, no, yeah, it's like it's it's it's it's
Speaker 2: an odd double standard that actually you know, isn't it
Speaker 2: play here? But it's like, just put the shoe on
Speaker 2: the other foot, horrified would he be? How turned could
Speaker 2: he be turned off? Would he just be like I'm out?
Speaker 2: I mean, geez, right, I know, it's really interesting up Logan,
Speaker 2: you know. And yeah, and then Jess came back and
Speaker 2: we had a hooton Nanny, and then Dean came back.
Speaker 2: He's single, We had a hoot Nanny and right broken
Speaker 2: up and then all of Dean's friends too, because you
Speaker 2: know they were cute, just like you did right with
Speaker 2: all the bridesmaids, right.
Speaker 3: I mean right, So do you think if she may
Speaker 3: a pro con pro list pro con list, sorry, pro
Speaker 3: con pro that's a sorory thing.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I think it would be in Logan's favor.
Speaker 3: I did too. Actually, he was right about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he did present a logical argument. You know,
Speaker 5: he was like, in his mind they were broken up,
Speaker 5: so in his mind, there was no reason for him
Speaker 5: to not date other people. Yeah, it wasn't cheating, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: he didn't.
Speaker 6: He didn't go out of his way to do it,
Speaker 6: like maliciously, right, exactly, very I just think.
Speaker 2: The fact that he turned into like he used a
Speaker 2: car salesman and had to sell it, Yeah he did.
Speaker 2: He did instead of weight you know, for a natural
Speaker 2: migration back to the center here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it didn't know what I mean, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I totally know what you mean. Like it wasn't sort
Speaker 3: of an emotional connection. It was like how you would
Speaker 3: think Mitcham would handle it.
Speaker 5: Like right, right, it's still that same night, Like it's
Speaker 5: that same night and he's chasing her down trying to
Speaker 5: get her to listen to him.
Speaker 3: It's like, just you know, at least.
Speaker 5: Let it sit overnight and let her just you know,
Speaker 5: calm down a little bit and then maybe be you know,
Speaker 5: more rational.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's lost all his cool.
Speaker 5: I think he was panicking.
Speaker 2: He's not even Absolutely, he's in a state of panic. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I sort of was kind of happy that I didn't
Speaker 3: have to watch nine episodes before they got back together.
Speaker 3: I sort of was like, I'm sort of blad that
Speaker 3: was fast and I didn't have I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I wasn't into like the whole because it's almost like
Speaker 3: we've done that already.
Speaker 4: We did do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah know what's ahead.
Speaker 2: To plus the episode Lust. The episode didn't have the
Speaker 2: time to do it because we had to they had
Speaker 2: to reserve space for that glorious Zach and Missus Kims,
Speaker 2: which was so good, so good.
Speaker 3: All right, So before we get to that, now, we're
Speaker 3: going to talk a little about Luke and Lorelai, who
Speaker 3: are at the apartment above the diner, because yeah, that's
Speaker 3: where the spider is, so they're staying there, interestingly, and
Speaker 3: there's the spider apparently a lot of spiders, and she's
Speaker 3: doing her lotion, which we have analyzed before with the lotion.
Speaker 3: Lots of actors like to put on that lotion so
Speaker 3: they have something to do while they're talking. And then
Speaker 3: we we sort of the the meat of it is
Speaker 3: April's on the phone. He's going to chaperone the trip
Speaker 3: to wherever it is for the Math team or whatever, Philadelphia, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and she says you should go. And there's sort of
Speaker 3: that same like she's saying one thing but feeling many things.
Speaker 3: I think she genuinely is not lying. She wants him
Speaker 3: to go, he should go, but it's sort of she's
Speaker 3: not saying that, You're kind of like.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, She's always testing him to see how he feels. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if he's sensitive to how she feels. It's always like
Speaker 2: this sort of she sends out probes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: suggestive questions and permissions and yeah, it's just how Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I can't wait to talk about the scene where
Speaker 3: he gets the bag, but we'll talk about that, go ahead, Daniel.
Speaker 4: I think she wants it to be his idea and
Speaker 4: not her idea, so, you know, like you never want
Speaker 4: to be on that side of things being like, well,
Speaker 4: I need to meet your daughter, I need to do this,
Speaker 4: like he she really wants him to come to the
Speaker 4: table with it. Yeah, And I think that's why she's
Speaker 4: sending out those you know, those little feelers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she wants him to realize what he's doing without
Speaker 5: her having to tell him what he's doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I also never thought about this until watching back last night.
Speaker 3: April's a lot like Rory.
Speaker 6: Like it just made me think that, like April is
Speaker 6: Luke's Rory because she's so smart and like she didn't
Speaker 6: grow up with her dad and now her dad is
Speaker 6: like reaching out again. It like was this parallel that
Speaker 6: I noticed that I haven't noticed before.
Speaker 3: That's good, Yeah, and she's so well behaved, and she's
Speaker 3: so well behaved open to this relationship. She's not like
Speaker 3: filled with teenage anks. She's very like smart girl, can't
Speaker 3: you come? You know whatever you want to come?
Speaker 4: Like she does a cool mom too, like yeah, Anna's cool, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I kind of see April ahead of Rory at that age. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I see April going into you know, Yale
Speaker 2: at next year at thirteen.
Speaker 6: She's like yeah once at the head of Rory, like
Speaker 6: no problem.
Speaker 3: I think the thing too, I like about the scene
Speaker 3: is there's sort of this heavy meat, but then we're
Speaker 3: still getting these funny lines, like when I think you
Speaker 3: must say something like what do you want to do
Speaker 3: through spiders, We'll take them outside and try and put
Speaker 3: them near a talking pig.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's Amy and Dan's homage, or they didn't
Speaker 2: write this episode, but the writer's homage to the Woody
Speaker 2: Allen film. I think it's Annie Hall.
Speaker 3: Oh was it kind of like that? I've never said Cornering.
Speaker 2: The Lobster and at the Beach? Oh, no way, do
Speaker 2: you remember that film?
Speaker 3: And I never saw it. I know the film Yankee he.
Speaker 2: Tried to date somebody other than Anny Hall and Annie
Speaker 2: Hall I forget. It doesn't matter anyway.
Speaker 3: So then we go to the apartment and they're sort
Speaker 3: of jiggering around with the apartment. They're all kind of
Speaker 3: moved back in, and the TV's facing the direction one direction.
Speaker 3: Not where are they going to sleep? Are they going
Speaker 3: to get their own place when they're married? Kiss? Kiss?
Speaker 3: Sort of? You know you haven't told missus Kim. We
Speaker 3: kind of get the setup for that, did anybody, Like
Speaker 3: let's say it?
Speaker 4: Oh god, Avidy catch Zach me and like we can
Speaker 4: finally have sex.
Speaker 3: We all heard it.
Speaker 6: Plane's like, excuse me, Yeah, what a dude.
Speaker 3: I know, He's like, what exactly. I just love that
Speaker 3: they have those bunk beds in the living room. It's
Speaker 3: just like that apartment is so like classic but it's cute.
Speaker 3: It's just a nothing burger, but it's like a setup.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then they said about after Lane walks out,
Speaker 5: and Zack and Bryant said, wait, wasn't the TV facing
Speaker 5: the other direction? And they're like, oh, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 5: and they go and they move it like two inches.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know. That was so good
Speaker 3: and that old TV that's so old mouth like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy four, it's so good. Okay, So then we
Speaker 3: go to the diner and Lore lies there and I
Speaker 3: think in a blue coat, and Luke is sewing the
Speaker 3: dethel bag. So we start to have this sort of
Speaker 3: again a very nothing but it has a lot to it.
Speaker 5: Can we go back to the blue coat for a minute,
Speaker 5: because I loved about blue coat. It was like a blue,
Speaker 5: kind of velvety, like a peacock blue. I thought it
Speaker 5: was really pretty.
Speaker 3: And then in the.
Speaker 5: Same scene, Rory comes in and she had the cutest cardigan,
Speaker 5: like it was like a button up cardigan with a hood,
Speaker 5: and then had little palm palms hanging.
Speaker 3: Off the hood.
Speaker 5: I just thought both of those things were adorable.
Speaker 3: That's why I agree. I I think the fashion is
Speaker 3: always amazing and you really notice certain things. So I
Speaker 3: agree with you that fully. Yeah. So she wants to
Speaker 3: buy the luggage. She doesn't want the luggage, and there's
Speaker 3: sort of the moment with Rory and the ring the
Speaker 3: ring at the time, and uh, Luke had forgotten to
Speaker 3: tell Laura LII about the ring. There's a funny line
Speaker 3: about a Toomey store. It's all very funny and sort
Speaker 3: of multiple things are happening, but obviously the importance of
Speaker 3: sort of she wants to buy him this luggage and
Speaker 3: he's sort of like, I don't need it, and I
Speaker 3: don't think he's being a jerk about it. He's sort
Speaker 3: of like, I don't need it. But there's such an
Speaker 3: important moment later.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also in this scene, Rory just very like
Speaker 4: nonchant chalantly tells Laura lie, oh, I'm back with Logan
Speaker 4: by the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're kind of like, what are you doing there?
Speaker 3: What is she doing in star sool? We don't really know,
Speaker 3: but it's like a little suspect but okay, And obviously
Speaker 3: Laurela is not fine with it that there's I.
Speaker 6: Feel like she just can't say anything because, like, you know,
Speaker 6: twelve hours ago they were broken up and now they're fine,
Speaker 6: Like and I think it's at that point Laurel lies
Speaker 6: like she's an adult, she just has to deal with
Speaker 6: her own relationships.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And last time, the last time Laurela I gave a
Speaker 5: negative opinion, Rory like took off exactly out at her grandparents' house.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm afraid, like I don't want to argue
Speaker 5: with her about this because she'll just disappear again.
Speaker 3: And Scott, what's your take on the Duffel bag and
Speaker 3: the wanting not the luggage. It's hard to analyze fully
Speaker 3: because we need to address the end.
Speaker 2: But like, well, he doesn't want to spend money frivolously
Speaker 2: when he doesn't need it. He's not a big traveler.
Speaker 2: He is, always has been, always will be. He doesn't
Speaker 2: want her spending money frivolously on him. It's nothing personal.
Speaker 2: I know he understands it would make her feel good.
Speaker 2: He understands what she's getting at, you know. I know
Speaker 2: you want to be me to need you more. And
Speaker 2: it would be nice to win the competition of who's
Speaker 2: going to get me the new bag, But nobody's getting
Speaker 2: me a new bag. I'm just going to sew it up.
Speaker 2: And that's just his jam, you know.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and I just want to say this
Speaker 3: now because I can't hold it back. And we'll talk
Speaker 3: about it more when we get there. He handles the
Speaker 3: devil Bag from Anna perfectly in my opinion, but we'll
Speaker 3: we'll get there. So before that, I also there's a
Speaker 3: big reference to s'mores. He's going to make Rory smores,
Speaker 3: which is kind of random.
Speaker 2: But I think I think the question is do you
Speaker 2: think I think Here's what I think. I think Luke
Speaker 2: is aware what she's doing. He just doesn't want to
Speaker 2: get involved in it. He doesn't want to give it
Speaker 2: any energy. You know, he doesn't I.
Speaker 3: Mean later or now at this point.
Speaker 2: He knows what she's angling at and he understands the stakes.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't want to give it any credence or energy,
Speaker 2: you know, because because because he knows that she's a
Speaker 2: little wound up about this, and he's doing I think
Speaker 2: everything he can just to call him, you know, to
Speaker 2: put I get.
Speaker 3: I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I guess on the fire, It's like.
Speaker 3: I think that's clear at the end to Suzanne. I
Speaker 3: think he really told the truth about the bag without
Speaker 3: he volunteers the information. Oh Anna brought it by. He is.
Speaker 2: She He knows that that Laurel is a little worked
Speaker 2: up about this, and you know, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's reading between the lines because Laurel
Speaker 5: is being rather obtuse about her feelings about out the
Speaker 5: whole thing, and I don't think Luke knows where she's at.
Speaker 2: I think it's obvious the way.
Speaker 4: Did he really the information.
Speaker 3: I don't think he know.
Speaker 2: The way she's like sort of hanging around these lines
Speaker 2: and throwing because.
Speaker 5: She's going along with everything he says, like he he
Speaker 5: doesn't want her to see April. Okay, like we find
Speaker 5: out in this episode, she still has never met April.
Speaker 3: But I think that it's not easy.
Speaker 5: Well, and we find out that what she knows about
Speaker 5: Anna she heard from Miss Patty. She still has never
Speaker 5: had a conversation with Luke about it. So I think
Speaker 5: he's just oblivious.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, he can go through all that
Speaker 2: being completely cut off from how she's feeling and what
Speaker 2: she's trying to communicate.
Speaker 3: I think you're right, that's why he volunteers the bags
Speaker 3: from Anna. But go ahead.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like in the middle of both of
Speaker 4: both of these conversations because I don't think he volunteered
Speaker 4: the information about Anna on the bag. Lorlay had to
Speaker 4: start the conversation about the Duffel bag, and then he
Speaker 4: was like, oh Anna gave that to me. It'd be
Speaker 4: different if it was he.
Speaker 3: But he tells right away because she could have thought
Speaker 3: he bought it. He doesn't know that Rory has gone
Speaker 3: to the store, so she only has that information from Rory.
Speaker 3: Luke has no idea, so she immediately, Oh, I see
Speaker 3: you got a bag, which is right there on the
Speaker 3: counter for her eyes to see. If he wanted to
Speaker 3: be like weird about it, he could have been like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah.
Speaker 4: But that's my point. She is the one that started
Speaker 4: the conversation, Oh you have that bag.
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, he's upstairs on the phone with
Speaker 3: the cheese guy or whatever. He's not going to be like, oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, if you happen to randomly see that
Speaker 3: bag on the counter, he's not finding anything.
Speaker 4: No, he finan fine. But I think if Lorlai hadn't
Speaker 4: said that, he wouldn't have told her, oh, hey, I
Speaker 4: got this gift.
Speaker 3: Because he doesn't give a rat a baby moment. And
Speaker 3: that's what was clear to me.
Speaker 2: He I think, I think, and he just doesn't want
Speaker 2: to make it a thing at all. He doesn't need
Speaker 2: the aeration. He doesn't he know, he knows it's World
Speaker 2: War three, could happen at any moment. This is a
Speaker 2: really explosive situation, and he gets that. He understands that
Speaker 2: being competitive, and there's a little bit of jealousy and
Speaker 2: she feels shut up. But that's and I think that's
Speaker 2: why how he's doing it.
Speaker 5: You know, he's he's not making any move to reassure her.
Speaker 5: If his life is that upset, wouldn't he want to
Speaker 5: reassure her something.
Speaker 3: He is doing that by being chill af he's reassured.
Speaker 4: That's what Lorlai wants. She doesn't want.
Speaker 3: But he's saying, I don't know. Look, I think he's
Speaker 3: being steady. I think there is something to what Scott's saying.
Speaker 3: He's being very steady and very to serve his aunts.
Speaker 3: By being so steady, if he stirs it up and makes.
Speaker 2: The whole thing outserve the relationship. Say that again, preserve
Speaker 2: the relation. To Susanne's comment, preserve the relationship ultimately, because
Speaker 2: it could blow up into a huge fire any moment.
Speaker 4: I also think his energy, which is not a fault
Speaker 4: to him, but his energy right now is very much
Speaker 4: into April, Like that is where his energy is. And
Speaker 4: you can't even just tell that with like the fact
Speaker 4: that he didn't even tell Lorelai Lane is engaged, you know,
Speaker 4: like those little things that he's like not like he's
Speaker 4: not putting all his energy right now into his relationship
Speaker 4: with Lorelai, which is what he was doing for a while.
Speaker 4: You know, that was his girl forever. So like there's
Speaker 4: definitely an energy shift.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but that's who he is. That's the type
Speaker 2: of you've met those people. Yeah, Now now they're doing
Speaker 2: this because that needs that attention. They can't split up
Speaker 2: their energy the way some people can.
Speaker 3: I also think this whole thing is so big, right,
Speaker 3: Like you find out you have a kid twelve years later,
Speaker 3: that's so massive that if you then come with a
Speaker 3: lot of energy, good or bad into the relationship, like
Speaker 3: this is what you think, now we need to talk
Speaker 3: about this awful. It's so much that everything will include.
Speaker 3: The only option to handling something this major is with
Speaker 3: calm and steadiness.
Speaker 4: Many would argue in conjunction with your partner, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, like and that that second half is
Speaker 4: not there.
Speaker 5: I mean he's he's basically he seems to think that
Speaker 5: he has to choose between he either can be April's
Speaker 5: dad or he can be larealized fiance.
Speaker 6: Actually I don't actually don't agree.
Speaker 2: That with that. I disagree with that. I think in
Speaker 2: this moment, sure, but again he's you know, this is
Speaker 2: a massive wave that just whacked him.
Speaker 5: Are right, but it's been last six months. It's it's
Speaker 5: we're in April.
Speaker 3: And it's a kid, it's a human kid. My thing
Speaker 3: is he wants to develop a and I think rightfully,
Speaker 3: so he wants to develop a father daughter relationship. First.
Speaker 3: He's not saying he's not eventually going to do a
Speaker 3: father stepmother relationship, but he doesn't even have If you
Speaker 3: change the dichotomy, right, say say he changed everything and
Speaker 3: he's like, it's great to meet you. This is my fiance, Lorilai.
Speaker 3: We're going to get to know you. That's one way
Speaker 3: to do it. But it's a very different relationship coming
Speaker 3: in as a two than him saying, first, I need
Speaker 3: to be easy about this. I need to be a father.
Speaker 3: I want to have a relationship with her. I want
Speaker 3: to go on the math treat retreat, whatever is right.
Speaker 5: And I mean we've had this conversation before. There's nothing
Speaker 5: wrong with that. But she hasn't even met April.
Speaker 3: Well maybe it's not.
Speaker 5: That's that's a problem for me.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Is there a moment where Lorela goes to Luke and says, Hey,
Speaker 2: I just want you to know something. I'm one hundred
Speaker 2: percent supportive. I got your back here, I get what
Speaker 2: you're doing and anything I can do to help let
Speaker 2: me know.
Speaker 5: I wish she would beating around the booshe prepending like.
Speaker 2: She's because she doesn't do that and she is sending her.
Speaker 4: Can I just say one thing really quick? Yes, but
Speaker 4: I have a right Scott.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: If Luray said that, I would have loved that. Yes,
Speaker 4: But in the same breath, it shouldn't be on her
Speaker 4: to say that.
Speaker 3: I disagree Danielle Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Why he would do it for her? And he has
Speaker 2: done it for her, and that's who he is. Why
Speaker 2: can't he get that level of respect and selflessness and
Speaker 2: selfless behavior because the child's future is at stake and
Speaker 2: her laurelized whole world revolves around Rory, and everything's Rory,
Speaker 2: Rory Roy and everybody in the township and Ry and
Speaker 2: Luke said, Rory Rory, he hasn't sacrificed for war. Now
Speaker 2: he is a kid.
Speaker 3: It's maybe right, I'm agree, Maybe it's.
Speaker 2: His turn that the people in his life do him
Speaker 2: the way he offered himself for all those years.
Speaker 3: I totally agree, Danielle.
Speaker 2: Let me say they rallying around him question.
Speaker 3: I have a way to solve this. Okay, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna ask you.
Speaker 4: I know exactly what you're gonna ask me.
Speaker 3: Go for it, John Moreno ditches you or Angelina Jolie.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow you've got a kid, then you meet somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to worry about it because that's
Speaker 2: not going to last very long.
Speaker 3: In like a week, When are you going to introduce
Speaker 3: your kid to another potential father? FI?
Speaker 2: That's huge.
Speaker 4: I think you're comparing apples. That's very different, absolutely zero comparison.
Speaker 4: You're talking about a kid that I have completely raised
Speaker 4: my entire life, bringing in a new person to that
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter different.
Speaker 3: Well, I disagree because here's why. It's to each his own.
Speaker 3: So if you told me you want to introduce him,
Speaker 3: your kid to your new boyfriend Brad Pitt in two months, fine,
Speaker 3: But if you want to do it in ten years, fine.
Speaker 3: The person that gets to make that decision is the parent.
Speaker 3: So Luke gets to make that decision himself.
Speaker 4: But I agree, I do agree with it.
Speaker 3: You don't because you're all like, why is he introducing you? No?
Speaker 4: No, I agree that it's up to Luke to decide
Speaker 4: what he wants to do. It is his decision, and
Speaker 4: that's why Lorelai is not. That's you're kind of proving
Speaker 4: my point, to be completely honest with you, because my
Speaker 4: point is it shouldn't be up to Lorelai to say, hey,
Speaker 4: I really want to be you know, suppose said you, and.
Speaker 3: Luke has been clear with her he is not ready
Speaker 3: yet for them to be of them with April, whether
Speaker 3: subconsciously clearly, we all know it.
Speaker 2: And Luke certainly isn't going to come around and be
Speaker 2: accommodative if if Laurela I is spinning around, uh like
Speaker 2: the wash cycle, you.
Speaker 3: Know, well he's not read. And also, guys.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? She did it through the
Speaker 2: entire episode.
Speaker 3: I agree with you at she exactly He's right you guys.
Speaker 3: And also, a man listens to us, A man listens
Speaker 3: to what a woman says. They're not mind readers, right,
Speaker 3: We're all women are like overthinking it all in our minds. Right.
Speaker 3: A man listens to what a woman says, and everything
Speaker 3: she has actually said in words is we should postpone
Speaker 3: the wedding. Oh are you sure, yes, let's postpone the wedding. No,
Speaker 3: I'm good, I understand. I'll be back at the diner
Speaker 3: at eight fifteen after she's left. Everything she is indicating
Speaker 3: with human words is making Luke, who is a man
Speaker 3: fairly you know, not an overthinking man. Every indication is
Speaker 3: it's basically fine. She even says, no, you should go.
Speaker 3: He wasn't even gonna go on the math thing, and
Speaker 3: she says no, you should go. So you don't get
Speaker 3: to have it both ways and be like, no, you
Speaker 3: should go. But behind the scenes, I'm all but heard
Speaker 3: about it. No, Well, but I mean she she's not.
Speaker 5: It's not that she doesn't want them to have a relationship.
Speaker 3: She wants him to have a.
Speaker 5: Relationship with his daughter, but she would like to at
Speaker 5: least meet her.
Speaker 3: The whole rest of the town is not ready.
Speaker 2: But why not respect the fact that he's not ready
Speaker 2: for that yet? And why not respect that has been
Speaker 2: there for you? Maybe is an entire adult life making
Speaker 2: sure that that Rory stays on the right path and
Speaker 2: helps her out as a friend for all those years,
Speaker 2: where's the respect coming back? And now he's being described
Speaker 2: as something he's out of touch, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: a typical guy. It's all about him. Yeah, right now,
Speaker 2: it's all about him and his daughter.
Speaker 5: And he's making the joice everyone else into the town.
Speaker 3: Because they're not going to be the mother figure. He
Speaker 3: is not ready yet to have the person enter in
Speaker 3: that is going to play a mother figure in her life.
Speaker 5: Okay, but what if they were already married when April came.
Speaker 3: And maybe he would say, I'm gonna get to know
Speaker 3: her on my own and then I will bring her
Speaker 3: in when she's ready to Because he may be making
Speaker 3: that decision. She has a mother, you guys, and that
Speaker 3: may be bringing in another mother figure, maybe something that
Speaker 3: he's taking slower, or it feels like he needs to
Speaker 3: discuss with Anna and guess what he does. Because if
Speaker 3: I was Anna and I had a kid and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden she wants to meet her dad, Okay, fine,
Speaker 3: I'll process that. Fine, Suddenly she's going to have another
Speaker 3: woman that's raising her kid. That's a conversation that needs
Speaker 3: to be discussed and handled very appropriately out of respect
Speaker 3: for Anna too. That's the mom and you kind of look,
Speaker 3: people disagree with me, but in my opinion you kind
Speaker 3: of defer to that that person matters, and yeah, lor
Speaker 3: might not go into the store and all that sketchy.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 6: The one thing that I was going to say is
Speaker 6: would it be different if and this is obviously like,
Speaker 6: I mean, I've never been in a situation, but I
Speaker 6: mean April didn't even know about Luke, So would it
Speaker 6: be different if he introduced Laura Lai, Like, hey, this
Speaker 6: is my fiance because he does have a life without her,
Speaker 6: and that's totally fine, that's understandable, But then like take
Speaker 6: his time with her to at least introduce her.
Speaker 3: It would be fine if that's what the dad wants
Speaker 3: to do. The dad and mom get to decide what
Speaker 3: happens with a kid, not the town, not us, not Loralai. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm getting like, I don't mean to cut everyone off.
Speaker 3: I need to agree. Luke has made the decision that's
Speaker 3: right for him. Is it right for Suzanne, clearly not.
Speaker 3: Is it right for Danielle clearly not? But it is
Speaker 3: right for him. So I come from the place of
Speaker 3: I gotta have some respect for what he's making the decision,
Speaker 3: because that's the decision he's making for his kid. It's
Speaker 3: his kid, right, how.
Speaker 2: Many kids out there don't get enough attention from either
Speaker 2: parent or get any attention from any parent. And look
Speaker 2: what he's doing. Where's the positive What are the positive
Speaker 2: comments about what he's taking his time? He's saying, I'm
Speaker 2: going to focus on my daughter right now. I didn't
Speaker 2: know she existed. Wow, what a mind scrambling situation. And
Speaker 2: I'm taking responsibility here because I didn't know about this.
Speaker 2: But now here, I am thrust into a situation and
Speaker 2: I'm going to rise to the occasion. Where's where's the admiration?
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone's disputing that, mad No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: This is not a situation where you know what takes precedence.
Speaker 2: Here is what laurelized not getting now that she got before,
Speaker 2: She's still gonna get it. It's just delayed right now.
Speaker 2: That's exactly larger, a larger situation, that's exact. And if
Speaker 2: her ego can't handle it, then her ego can't handle
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 3: And also the kid, a twelve year old kid is
Speaker 3: already meeting their father for the first time. Oh god,
Speaker 3: it may be too overwhelming, in Luke's opinion, to have
Speaker 3: her also meet her stepmother all in one.
Speaker 5: Like, okay, but again, if they were already married, would
Speaker 5: he make Lreli move out so that he caniculous.
Speaker 3: Not doing that.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, he's not moving.
Speaker 2: They're not married.
Speaker 3: Even if he's keeping.
Speaker 5: He's intentionally keeping Lorelei and April apart. And after six months.
Speaker 5: I don't understand why they can't even like share a
Speaker 5: handshake and.
Speaker 3: Say he's not ready and we have to waiting for
Speaker 3: it because he's not. It's because.
Speaker 2: It's not up to laurel I. This is this is
Speaker 2: up to Luke.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Suzanne, say, my parents are divorced and my
Speaker 3: dad has a new somebody, who is it up to
Speaker 3: when I meet her? Me and my dad, not her.
Speaker 3: She doesn't get to decide.
Speaker 5: It's up to my she should be deciding. I'm saying
Speaker 5: that she should be able to meet April like he should.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: I think, hang on, it's up to April. It's her April,
Speaker 2: because how many times he.
Speaker 3: Never asked because he's not ready. We have to respect that.
Speaker 2: We don't know that yet, we don't know all of
Speaker 2: the conversations that they're having. Obviously, April has said I'm
Speaker 2: not ready yet. This he's not ready, oh, or he's
Speaker 2: not ready. No, nobody's ready. You know, we're putting they
Speaker 2: have to be ready.
Speaker 3: I admitted that, and that is fine, that he's not ready.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think the thing is is that
Speaker 4: Amy and Scott your points are one hundred percent valid. Like,
Speaker 4: I completely agree with you. I think it is up
Speaker 4: to Luke, it is up to April. It's up to
Speaker 4: them to figure out when it's the right time to
Speaker 4: infiltrate Loreli into their relationship. I totally agree with that.
Speaker 4: Yet in the same breath, it still doesn't sit well
Speaker 4: with me in the sense that it's like, what what
Speaker 4: is holding back Luke from bringing.
Speaker 2: We don't know that, And that's sort of the craft
Speaker 2: of the writers causing this consternation in totally all of
Speaker 2: us because we don't have any of the answers. We're
Speaker 2: not privy to the private conversations of Luke and April.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, oftentimes the best right is what
Speaker 2: is not written. Well, let me go to you this
Speaker 2: way very actively participating in this.
Speaker 3: You know, six months is not a long time. I
Speaker 3: would not meet someone's children in six months. I would
Speaker 3: definitely make it be years, not six months. So that's
Speaker 3: all I can say too, is like, and most people
Speaker 3: when they get and say, I understand that this is
Speaker 3: a different situation, but let's just pretend for the conversation
Speaker 3: two people get divorced. I know very, very few people
Speaker 3: that are okay with their kids. Meeting their new significant
Speaker 3: other six months in a standard is like be together,
Speaker 3: and look, some people do it different. I have plenty
Speaker 3: of friends that are like, I've been dating someone two months,
Speaker 3: he's met my kids. Fine, that's totally fine if that's
Speaker 3: what you want to do. I know other people that
Speaker 3: have been dating for two years and they haven't met
Speaker 3: the kids. So it's like, but.
Speaker 5: That's a completely different situation, Like a parent child pair.
Speaker 5: Bringing in a new adult is different than two adults.
Speaker 3: And disagree her together. I understand where you're coming from,
Speaker 3: but here's why I disagree. It's up to the person, right, so,
Speaker 3: and it's still a child meeting her dad and someone else.
Speaker 3: It's very overwhelming, and they may have decided this is
Speaker 3: the right way for them, and.
Speaker 2: We let's let's let's game theory it out right. Let's say, okay,
Speaker 2: April and and Laurel I meet and they hit it
Speaker 2: off right away, and it's fantastic, It's even better than
Speaker 2: and then Anna gets triggered and it's a whole thing,
Speaker 2: and that causes the breakup of Look and Laurel I
Speaker 2: because we've got to take care of the kid. Kids
Speaker 2: hurt Laurel I.
Speaker 3: So well, Okay, we're not there yet right.
Speaker 4: In the.
Speaker 2: I want to ask the panel. I'm want to ask
Speaker 2: the panel here, how would you feel and would you
Speaker 2: feel it's justified? Maybe I'm not asking it the right way.
Speaker 2: If it is okay, if you want to place a value,
Speaker 2: because we're all placing values on these relationships, father, daughter, Luke, Laurel.
Speaker 2: You know the value of this, and we know the
Speaker 2: value of it to the fans of the show, but
Speaker 2: in real life, let's put in real life terms. The
Speaker 2: value here is is the Luke Apral relationship more important
Speaker 2: than the Luke Laureli relationship? Would Luke sacrifice the Luke
Speaker 2: Laureli relationship in order to preserve his relationship with his
Speaker 2: daughter and make sure that his daughter is doing the
Speaker 2: right thing, is guided the right way, and would not
Speaker 2: make him a good guy if he did that? And
Speaker 2: he went to Laurel I one day and say Listen,
Speaker 2: this isn't going to work out. You know, she really
Speaker 2: needs me and I've got to focus on her. And
Speaker 2: I know I can't give you what you need because
Speaker 2: I'm not that kind of guy or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Does this make him less of a person.
Speaker 3: It's the toughest choice ever. But you might have to
Speaker 3: make it right. I don't think you do, though.
Speaker 5: That was my point earlier that I started to try
Speaker 5: to make was that he doesn't have to sacrifice one
Speaker 5: for the other. He can have a relationship with both
Speaker 5: of them. An adult can have a relationship with another
Speaker 5: adult and their child at the same time.
Speaker 3: Correct, But he doesn't want to bring a third person
Speaker 3: into his relationship. You're saying both things. He is having
Speaker 3: a relationship with April, and he still has a good
Speaker 3: relationship with Lreli.
Speaker 5: He doesn't though he's totally pushing away out. No, No,
Speaker 5: he's made a relation, not have her involved.
Speaker 2: Whether he's aware of it or not. He's protecting his
Speaker 2: child from a relationship with Lorelai in April that is
Speaker 2: either really good or really bad, and it's only to
Speaker 2: have the same effect on it, and.
Speaker 3: It's only in the moment. He has never said future,
Speaker 3: just in this moment. Six months not a lot of
Speaker 3: time to get to know a human kid. He is
Speaker 3: just making that decision for right now, and I respect it.
Speaker 3: You all don't have to because it might not be
Speaker 3: right for you, But for me, I get it. I
Speaker 3: respect it, and it's his choice and Anna's choice. More
Speaker 3: than anybody's choice. It is his choice.
Speaker 5: And I feel like you're right. He's never said anything
Speaker 5: into the future, but that can be taken both ways,
Speaker 5: because he's also not said you will meet April Sunday.
Speaker 5: He's not saying anything that's right.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe he doesn't feel comfortable making that kind of
Speaker 2: a promise exactly.
Speaker 3: And this is the thing, this is the deal, whatever order,
Speaker 3: it happens. If you are with somebody who has kids,
Speaker 3: and this goes for Luke, with Loralai and Rory, you
Speaker 3: have to be willing to play by their rules. It's
Speaker 3: a choice that happens if you entering into a relationship.
Speaker 3: So say Laura Lai had certain things about Rory, right,
Speaker 3: she sure didn't want Max parenting Rory. That was a no,
Speaker 3: no no. And also we all had a big problem
Speaker 3: that Laura Lai was dating the teacher. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of things that blur the lines. Right, Laura is not
Speaker 3: freaking perfect. So my thing is you defer to the parents.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if Anna is a the worst person,
Speaker 3: beautch of the planet. That is the mom. So whether
Speaker 3: Lauralai likes it or not, she gets pull position essentially,
Speaker 3: And that's just the way the world works with parents
Speaker 3: and kids.
Speaker 2: Right right. And I'm not saying it's it's an ideal
Speaker 2: situation for Lauralai. It's a difficult situation to be in, right.
Speaker 2: She is. She's having some difficulty she should be having
Speaker 2: anybody would be having difficulty with this situation because.
Speaker 4: She's second place, right, She's a second place right now?
Speaker 3: She's not in second place? Yes, she is.
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 3: She's not you guys, she's.
Speaker 2: Not well, she's she's number one in his heart. But
Speaker 2: now he's okay.
Speaker 4: If if Lurla asked lou K, can we get dinner tonight?
Speaker 4: And April asked, lou K can we get dinner tonight,
Speaker 4: who's he having dinner with?
Speaker 3: Guess what? Though? That doesn't make a second place? That
Speaker 3: doesn't make that doesn't there's enough.
Speaker 4: Priority right now? Is April okay?
Speaker 3: So might be his thing?
Speaker 2: Is you know, I think I don't think Lorelai is
Speaker 2: being a pain in the answer about everything. I think
Speaker 2: she's being pretty great. But she's being pretty great about it.
Speaker 3: Priority thing.
Speaker 2: I think she's being supportive, and I think she's been is.
Speaker 3: She's it's hard, this is hard, and she's having a
Speaker 3: quote hard time.
Speaker 2: But I think she's handling it very well.
Speaker 3: But I want to address this priority thing because my
Speaker 3: thing is priority is different than love. He can love
Speaker 3: Lorelai and April equally. Say you're a mom and and
Speaker 3: your boyfriend wants to have dinner tonight, but you're kid's
Speaker 3: got Violin lessons. Is it you're not my top priority
Speaker 3: because I have to take my kids to Violin. No,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just the world works. It doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that he loves Lorelai any less because he's having dinner
Speaker 3: with April. It is your kid, you are. If you
Speaker 3: pick Laureli over your kid, you're a big toolbag. Your
Speaker 3: kid has priority, But it doesn't mean your second position
Speaker 3: or you love them less. Danielle, I guarantee you I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't say love love less. That was not coming
Speaker 4: from me, But I do I still stand by it.
Speaker 4: I think his energy is completely shifted off Lorelai and
Speaker 4: is on April right now, like I do. I do
Speaker 4: feel that, And that's basically all I'm trying to say
Speaker 4: is right now, his focus, his attention is it's right.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's wrong.
Speaker 5: No, I agree, yeah, I agree with and now and
Speaker 5: and the now that it's been so long, the expectation
Speaker 5: is that Lorelei just doesn't interact with April at all,
Speaker 5: Like I don't see ever gonna.
Speaker 3: Taste like a blink. Think of how fast six months goes.
Speaker 3: I don't peo, don't even know how to play tickleball
Speaker 3: in six months to get to know a kid.
Speaker 5: Take the number off of it. It's just now become
Speaker 5: the expectation that Lorelei doesn't get to know April. And
Speaker 5: that's just how it is. It's not even a conversation
Speaker 5: anymore now for now. Luke's not saying for now, this
Speaker 5: is how it is.
Speaker 3: But it is for now, Like if you date a
Speaker 3: person with a kid, it is a whole different set
Speaker 3: of rules. Now I understand that it's all backwards, right
Speaker 3: because of the way this went down, So he could
Speaker 3: have chosen to do it differently, but he didn't and
Speaker 3: we have to respect that the parent kind of guides
Speaker 3: it and the significant other needs to adapt to that,
Speaker 3: and if they don't like it, then they have to leave.
Speaker 3: If Laura like doesn't like it, she's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: having this. I need to be in this kid's life,
Speaker 3: then guess what. She has the choice to not be
Speaker 3: in the relationship with Luke. But what she doesn't have
Speaker 3: is the flex to be like, you're gonna do with
Speaker 3: your kid? What I say this is just in my.
Speaker 4: Opinion, Yeah, she's not doing that. I agree, she's she's
Speaker 4: never asked that.
Speaker 3: That's that's not any of what y'all want, because she's
Speaker 3: saying you need.
Speaker 5: To acknowledge her feelings.
Speaker 2: That's what about Wait a minute, what about what Luke's
Speaker 2: not getting?
Speaker 3: He doesn't even know what her feelings are because everything
Speaker 3: she says is like, it's fine, I'm fine, go on
Speaker 3: the trip. Sorry, Scott, go ahead.
Speaker 4: But I mean you're also saying that he does know
Speaker 4: and that he can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your thing this is he knows that this is
Speaker 3: so major and could be the thing that breaks them up. Right,
Speaker 3: So what he's doing is just being steady and he's
Speaker 3: that's why when she asked, Oh, I see, there's luggage.
Speaker 3: He is very forthcoming. April dropped that off because she
Speaker 3: had it at the store and knew I was going.
Speaker 3: He doesn't lie, he doesn't even fudge the truth. He's
Speaker 3: so forthcoming with it. So like I thought, he did
Speaker 3: the right thing. And I know we're half an episode
Speaker 3: from tom.
Speaker 6: He also didn't cancel the wedding. He postponed it, so.
Speaker 3: That's I'm so mad about that. She told him to.
Speaker 6: I know, But I'm saying, just like he's taking the time,
Speaker 6: and so I do see that, but I'm saying, like,
Speaker 6: it's not like Lorlai will never ever ever meet April.
Speaker 6: He's just taking his time. And that's the thing. It's
Speaker 6: like there was never a discussion like you will never
Speaker 6: meet her, this is my daughter. You are not crossing
Speaker 6: paths like that never happened.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: At the moment right now, Yeah, definitely not crossing paths.
Speaker 4: You're not at the diner at the same time like
Speaker 4: in this moment. That is because the reality, Yeah, many
Speaker 4: people that's.
Speaker 2: Appro Laurli has one move here. There's only one move
Speaker 2: here for her, and that is to be as supportive
Speaker 2: as she possibly and as supportive and as understanding as
Speaker 2: she possibly can, because that's what a great partner does.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you.
Speaker 2: It is he did it for her his entire adult life.
Speaker 2: That's what great partners do. They understand and they are
Speaker 2: there for you.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter how much sunshine is shining on
Speaker 2: you in any particular day. You gotta take take one
Speaker 2: for the team sometimes. And I mean if if a
Speaker 2: kid showing up after twelve years out of the blue
Speaker 2: is in a situation where you got to take one
Speaker 2: for the team, then you shouldn't be on the team.
Speaker 3: I agree, he's taking one for the team. I'm not
Speaker 3: disputing that, but you're but Suzanne is ready for Lorelei
Speaker 3: to meet April and Luke isn't, So it doesn't really
Speaker 3: matter what Scott saying.
Speaker 4: Then you shouldn't be on the team. Is literally leading
Speaker 4: me to my very next point. This wedding is not
Speaker 4: going to happen. And I haven't seen the series and
Speaker 4: I don't know anything that's happening. But if I had
Speaker 4: a crystal ball right now, this wedding is not happening.
Speaker 5: Well you'll see it definitely doesn't feel postponed. It feels canceled.
Speaker 3: Oh I disagree. It feels totally postponed to me because.
Speaker 5: Because there's not been one word about the wedding.
Speaker 3: Not true. They talked about it in Vineyard in the videos.
Speaker 5: I was just going to say, except for the we'll
Speaker 5: have lobster in our wedding, that's the last thing anybody
Speaker 5: has ever said. I was like yesterday, that was literally
Speaker 5: like that was that was three months ago.
Speaker 3: What month is it now, April?
Speaker 5: This episode aired in April.
Speaker 3: Well, what month is it in Gilmore World?
Speaker 2: It's April? Six months? Six months is irrelevant. We do
Speaker 2: not know how much access or how much time Luke
Speaker 2: and April are spending together, given April schedule, and she
Speaker 2: lives with her mother, so her mother's running that show,
Speaker 2: so he's at her back and call. It's not up
Speaker 2: to Luke. He's on April and Anna's time table, when
Speaker 2: he can see her, when they can spend time. So
Speaker 2: maybe it's just these little chunks of time. Maybe maybe
Speaker 2: once a week, couple times. So six months is nothing
Speaker 2: to try to get.
Speaker 3: Could be ten, It could be every other week. For
Speaker 3: all we know, he's maybe seen her twenty five times.
Speaker 3: We don't even know all.
Speaker 2: Right, that's gonna do it. Everybody listen, We're gonna do
Speaker 2: a two partner. So this is gonna end Part one.
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