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Speaker 1: I am all in, I am all in with Scott

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Speaker 1: Patterson and I heart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Everybody Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast one of

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Speaker 2: them productions. iHeart radio, I heart podcasts, I heart Media

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Speaker 2: by my Intrepid Crew and better than Ever Susan French

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Speaker 2: tire suit. Amy Sugarman has donuts.

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Speaker 3: She's done handicads.

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Speaker 2: I heart donuts, Blomars. Who got who got to take

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Speaker 2: home the most stuff after the live event?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Who took it all home?

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Speaker 3: The good stuff for the bad stuff? Because I have to.

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Speaker 3: I'm like a storage un so I have to take

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Speaker 3: home the bookshelve, the rug, like the wall art. You

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Speaker 3: know what we don't know where it is is somebody

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Speaker 3: has it. I think we have to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: Danielle the giant yellow mug that said.

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Speaker 4: I wanted that to go to Scott's house because we

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Speaker 4: don't want I would get it there, like save it.

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Speaker 2: But honestly, I don't want it. What am I going

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Speaker 2: to do with it? It's so big.

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Speaker 4: It would be the coolest background to just have a

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Speaker 4: giant yellow coffee cup behind you.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's hilarious. Oh my god, it could be the

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Speaker 3: garage door. So yeah, I have my house has like

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Speaker 3: the neon signs, like all this crap. I finally had

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Speaker 3: to get a storage thing for the garage. Here's the rug.

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Speaker 3: The yellow rug is TBD where it's going. It's a

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Speaker 3: fight right now because I don't want to get rid

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 4: Do you want a yellow road for any takers? Any

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Speaker 4: takers about?

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Speaker 2: How about putting it in your foyer?

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Speaker 3: Seriously, we don't live in mansions like you do. Apparently,

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Speaker 3: put it.

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Speaker 2: At the top of your spiral staircase.

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Speaker 4: I don't have one of those rich what.

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Speaker 2: Trying to help out?

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Speaker 3: I'll put it in my pool house. Oh wait, I

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Speaker 3: don't have a pool house.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a pool? You have a pool?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I have a pool down the store.

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Speaker 3: I have a community pool.

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Speaker 2: But I don't have to have a pool for you.

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Speaker 3: I might get a hot tub if, if, if people

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Speaker 3: keep listening to this podcast, I might be able to

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Speaker 3: afford a hot tub.

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Speaker 2: Oh I have a nice well, I'm not gonna rub

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Speaker 2: it in.

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Speaker 3: It's all right. You're Luke, So we understand that you

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Speaker 3: might have a hot tub and maybe a couple other

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Speaker 3: things we don't have. It's okay, you're you're Luke. For

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Speaker 3: seven seasons and four movies. Starts all right.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed watching the live stream.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, isn't it great?

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Speaker 2: It looks like a like a HBO special.

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Speaker 3: Really Well, so for anyone that still wants to watch,

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Speaker 3: We shot on iPhones like it's it's professionally.

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Speaker 2: It's like real professional, expensive TV. It's not zoom video no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: Weeps dot com.

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Speaker 2: Ticket, go to veeps peeps dot com. I got a

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Speaker 2: ticket anyway. Uh, we're gonna get into a little bit

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Speaker 2: of I'm okay, You're okay? Was that seventeen, season six,

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Speaker 2: episode seventeen? Yep?

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Speaker 3: What's your initial thought on I'm okay, You're okay?

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Speaker 2: I'm all over the place?

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Speaker 3: Really, I actually loved it.

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Speaker 2: Thought I thought it was unfocused.

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Speaker 3: It is a little a little there's a lot happening,

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Speaker 3: but I was giggling the whole time.

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Speaker 4: MM, lots of bones to pick.

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Speaker 2: And right, I have a boney I'm right there in

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Speaker 2: the boneyard with you, Danielle. There's something and maybe that's

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Speaker 2: Who is doing the synopsisizations.

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Speaker 5: Danielle or Susanne Wait is gonna say we can let

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Speaker 5: Danielle have her job back.

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Speaker 4: I'm oh my god, I heard he did such a

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Speaker 4: good job. So I'm okay you keeping it? Why don't

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Speaker 4: you go for it?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 5: Okay, we can alternate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good idea. I like that. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 5: So this is season six, episode seventeen, I'm okay, You're okay.

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Speaker 5: It originally aired on April fourth, two thousand and six.

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Speaker 5: Things are not okay with Lugan, Larelei, and Rory and Logan.

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Speaker 5: Rory decides to forgive Logan a little quicker than we thought. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 5: Luke is accepting gifts from someone other than larele I,

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Speaker 5: plus Emily and Richard maybe moving to Stars Hollow, and

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Speaker 5: Zach finally gets approval from missus Kim to Mary Lane.

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Speaker 3: So, right off the bat, what stood out to me

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Speaker 3: eating the Chinese food. Now, so I thought oh, okay, cool.

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Speaker 3: I like that. I liked that scene.

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Speaker 5: It was nice to see Paris and Rory having a

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Speaker 4: And they're both like, screw these guys, Like we got us,

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Speaker 3: Our our friends with a sweet scene. And I was

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Speaker 3: glad we didn't labor sort of like drama between them.

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Speaker 3: It was just like, boom, we're good, we're good. Knock knock,

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Speaker 2: They just blew past Paris, didn't he.

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Speaker 3: That was a funny scene for me. Logan and Paris.

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Speaker 3: I was like, this is actually cracking me up. And

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Speaker 3: I don't want to rot it, but my best line

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Speaker 3: is when he says I don't want you back. I

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Speaker 3: like they had a funny ping pong and she was

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Speaker 3: keeping up and so was he. It was like level up,

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Speaker 3: level up. I I really enjoyed the whole open of

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 3: And then Doyle shows up with.

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Speaker 4: The jacket and the jacket and the rhyanstone jacket.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, like that, the whole thing was great.

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Speaker 6: That was funny, the part where he was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Another girl tonight.

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Speaker 6: Laura and Rory quickly just like Chosai like, oh, it's.

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Speaker 4: Not gonna help your case, Doyle, shut up.

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Speaker 3: Funny lines. And then then the part that I sort

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Speaker 3: then it was like, Okay, she's not she's.

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Speaker 2: Not convinced, but now she's not. She's going along with it,

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Speaker 3: Which we yeah, at the end we realized that, So

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Speaker 3: what did you guys think of that? She kind of

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Speaker 3: took him back so fast. I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: How to rewind the scene because I was like, did

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Speaker 4: I did I miss something? Like what like she she took.

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Speaker 3: Him back so fast the same day as the wedding, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just think she's worn down by

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's just at her so much and for

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Speaker 3: It is impossible that she likes him so much. She's

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Speaker 3: he didn't cheat on her. But pretend I'm on team

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Speaker 6: I need a place to live, so I guess I'll

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Speaker 6: Like it just she doesn't really stand up for herself.

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Speaker 6: But I also kind of agree with what you say, Amy,

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Speaker 6: like maybe she really loves him, or maybe she doesn't

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Speaker 6: know how she doesn't know how much she loves him,

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Speaker 4: I also think Rory and Lorlai share this in common,

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Speaker 4: and so I think this was Rory's way of being like.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's just get back together.

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Speaker 4: It's not worth like the argument and keeping this going,

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Speaker 4: you know, Like I don't know, that's that's how I

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Speaker 5: It was definitely a theme throughout the whole episode was

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Speaker 5: each of them in parallel trying to keep the peace

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Speaker 5: in their own relationships and is wrong, everything's fine, you know,

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Speaker 5: like the title of the episode, I'm okay, You're okay.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, let's just gloss over any issues

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Speaker 7: And Logan has maybe oh sorry, go Scott, maybe sorry,

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Speaker 7: But maybe she's just giving him the benefit of the doubt,

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Speaker 7: right maybe right, like she has she doesn't come one

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Speaker 7: hundred percent back. It's just like okay, I'm about fifty

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Speaker 7: percent back, sixty percent back.

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Speaker 2: I'll give the benefit of the doubt. If he screws

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of I sort of agree with you.

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Speaker 3: My other sort of just thought is of all the boyfriends,

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Speaker 3: Logan is the one that sort of has what's the word,

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Speaker 3: a little bit of I don't want to say power,

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Speaker 3: it's not the right word. A little bit of something

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Speaker 3: over her whole leverage, you know how like in a relationship, right,

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Speaker 3: Like Jess and Rory were very easy. Rory had this

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Speaker 3: over Dean. Logan now has it over her just a

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Speaker 3: little bit, like just a tad. She's still like obviously

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Speaker 3: she wasn't gonna date him when he was dating one

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Speaker 3: hundred people, so she has like she's still Rory in it,

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Speaker 4: Is like wearing the pants in the relationship kind of

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Speaker 3: Something like that, right, It's like he sort of has

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Speaker 3: convinced her now of this, and she's like, Okay, let's

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Speaker 3: go home. You know, I don't know what I would

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Speaker 3: not moving back in with you. I'm gonna stay here

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Speaker 3: with Paris. We're gonna talk again tomorrow. Let's let's have dinner.

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Speaker 3: You know, like she sort of just became too.

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's maybe, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe she

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Speaker 2: So it's like she probably takes like, Okay, guys are weak.

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Speaker 3: So I had not even considered that until you're saying that.

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Speaker 2: She now has psychological advantage in you. Right, It's a

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Speaker 3: Although I was certain I was right that she's more

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Speaker 3: We heard it ring ring ring ring ring. N Oh,

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Speaker 3: Or even subconsciously she sort of has realized now, right, oh, whoa,

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Speaker 2: Go off and she wasn't with other guys, she wasn't

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I think it would be in Logan's favor.

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Speaker 6: He didn't go out of his way to do it,

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Speaker 5: Like right, right, it's still that same night, Like it's

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Speaker 5: I think he was panicking.

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Speaker 2: He's not even Absolutely, he's in a state of panic. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I sort of was kind of happy that I didn't

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Speaker 4: We did do it.

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Speaker 2: To plus the episode Lust. The episode didn't have the

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Speaker 3: All right, So before we get to that, now, we're

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Speaker 3: April's on the phone. He's going to chaperone the trip

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, She's always testing him to see how he feels. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think she wants it to be his idea and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she wants him to realize what he's doing without

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Speaker 6: I also never thought about this until watching back last night.

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Speaker 3: April's a lot like Rory.

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Speaker 6: Like it just made me think that, like April is

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Speaker 3: That's good, Yeah, and she's so well behaved, and she's

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Speaker 4: Like she does a cool mom too, like yeah, Anna's cool, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's Amy and Dan's homage, or they didn't

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Speaker 3: Oh was it kind of like that? I've never said Cornering.

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Speaker 3: And I never saw it. I know the film Yankee he.

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Speaker 2: Tried to date somebody other than Anny Hall and Annie

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Speaker 3: So then we go to the apartment and they're sort

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Speaker 3: Not where are they going to sleep? Are they going

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Speaker 3: to get their own place when they're married? Kiss? Kiss?

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Speaker 3: Sort of? You know you haven't told missus Kim. We

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Speaker 3: let's say it?

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Speaker 4: Oh god, Avidy catch Zach me and like we can

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Speaker 3: We all heard it.

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Speaker 6: Plane's like, excuse me, Yeah, what a dude.

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Speaker 3: I know, He's like, what exactly. I just love that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And then they said about after Lane walks out,

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Speaker 3: go to the diner and Lore lies there and I

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Speaker 5: Can we go back to the blue coat for a minute,

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Speaker 5: because I loved about blue coat. It was like a blue,

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Speaker 3: And then in the.

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Speaker 5: Same scene, Rory comes in and she had the cutest cardigan,

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Speaker 5: like it was like a button up cardigan with a hood,

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Speaker 3: Off the hood.

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00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 5: I just thought both of those things were adorable.

439
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: That's why I agree. I I think the fashion is

440
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: always amazing and you really notice certain things. So I

441
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: agree with you that fully. Yeah. So she wants to

442
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 3: buy the luggage. She doesn't want the luggage, and there's

443
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: sort of the moment with Rory and the ring the

444
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: ring at the time, and uh, Luke had forgotten to

445
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: tell Laura LII about the ring. There's a funny line

446
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: about a Toomey store. It's all very funny and sort

447
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: of multiple things are happening, but obviously the importance of

448
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: sort of she wants to buy him this luggage and

449
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: he's sort of like, I don't need it, and I

450
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: don't think he's being a jerk about it. He's sort

451
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: of like, I don't need it. But there's such an

452
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 3: important moment later.

453
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

454
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also in this scene, Rory just very like

455
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: nonchant chalantly tells Laura lie, oh, I'm back with Logan

456
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 4: by the way.

457
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're kind of like, what are you doing there?

458
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: What is she doing in star sool? We don't really know,

459
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: but it's like a little suspect but okay, And obviously

460
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: Laurela is not fine with it that there's I.

461
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 6: Feel like she just can't say anything because, like, you know,

462
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 6: twelve hours ago they were broken up and now they're fine,

463
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 6: Like and I think it's at that point Laurel lies

464
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 6: like she's an adult, she just has to deal with

465
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 6: her own relationships.

466
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

467
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 5: And last time, the last time Laurela I gave a

468
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 5: negative opinion, Rory like took off exactly out at her grandparents' house.

469
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm afraid, like I don't want to argue

470
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 5: with her about this because she'll just disappear again.

471
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: And Scott, what's your take on the Duffel bag and

472
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: the wanting not the luggage. It's hard to analyze fully

473
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: because we need to address the end.

474
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: But like, well, he doesn't want to spend money frivolously

475
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: when he doesn't need it. He's not a big traveler.

476
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: He is, always has been, always will be. He doesn't

477
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: want her spending money frivolously on him. It's nothing personal.

478
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: I know he understands it would make her feel good.

479
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: He understands what she's getting at, you know. I know

480
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: you want to be me to need you more. And

481
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: it would be nice to win the competition of who's

482
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: going to get me the new bag, But nobody's getting

483
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 2: me a new bag. I'm just going to sew it up.

484
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 2: And that's just his jam, you know.

485
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and I just want to say this

486
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: now because I can't hold it back. And we'll talk

487
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: about it more when we get there. He handles the

488
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: devil Bag from Anna perfectly in my opinion, but we'll

489
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: we'll get there. So before that, I also there's a

490
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: big reference to s'mores. He's going to make Rory smores,

491
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 3: which is kind of random.

492
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: But I think I think the question is do you

493
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: think I think Here's what I think. I think Luke

494
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: is aware what she's doing. He just doesn't want to

495
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: get involved in it. He doesn't want to give it

496
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: any energy. You know, he doesn't I.

497
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: Mean later or now at this point.

498
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 2: He knows what she's angling at and he understands the stakes.

499
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: He just doesn't want to give it any credence or energy,

500
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: you know, because because because he knows that she's a

501
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: little wound up about this, and he's doing I think

502
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: everything he can just to call him, you know, to

503
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: put I get.

504
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: I think you're right.

505
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: I guess on the fire, It's like.

506
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: I think that's clear at the end to Suzanne. I

507
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: think he really told the truth about the bag without

508
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 3: he volunteers the information. Oh Anna brought it by. He is.

509
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: She He knows that that Laurel is a little worked

510
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: up about this, and you know, and I don't know.

511
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think.

512
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 5: I don't think he's reading between the lines because Laurel

513
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 5: is being rather obtuse about her feelings about out the

514
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 5: whole thing, and I don't think Luke knows where she's at.

515
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: I think it's obvious the way.

516
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 4: Did he really the information.

517
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: I don't think he know.

518
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: The way she's like sort of hanging around these lines

519
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: and throwing because.

520
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 5: She's going along with everything he says, like he he

521
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 5: doesn't want her to see April. Okay, like we find

522
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 5: out in this episode, she still has never met April.

523
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: But I think that it's not easy.

524
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 5: Well, and we find out that what she knows about

525
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 5: Anna she heard from Miss Patty. She still has never

526
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 5: had a conversation with Luke about it. So I think

527
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: he's just oblivious.

528
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

529
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, he can go through all that

530
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: being completely cut off from how she's feeling and what

531
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: she's trying to communicate.

532
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: I think you're right, that's why he volunteers the bags

533
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: from Anna. But go ahead.

534
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like in the middle of both of

535
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: both of these conversations because I don't think he volunteered

536
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: the information about Anna on the bag. Lorlay had to

537
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: start the conversation about the Duffel bag, and then he

538
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 4: was like, oh Anna gave that to me. It'd be

539
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: different if it was he.

540
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: But he tells right away because she could have thought

541
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: he bought it. He doesn't know that Rory has gone

542
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: to the store, so she only has that information from Rory.

543
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: Luke has no idea, so she immediately, Oh, I see

544
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: you got a bag, which is right there on the

545
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: counter for her eyes to see. If he wanted to

546
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: be like weird about it, he could have been like,

547
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: oh yeah.

548
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: But that's my point. She is the one that started

549
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: the conversation, Oh you have that bag.

550
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, he's upstairs on the phone with

551
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: the cheese guy or whatever. He's not going to be like, oh,

552
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: by the way, if you happen to randomly see that

553
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: bag on the counter, he's not finding anything.

554
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: No, he finan fine. But I think if Lorlai hadn't

555
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: said that, he wouldn't have told her, oh, hey, I

556
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: got this gift.

557
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: Because he doesn't give a rat a baby moment. And

558
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: that's what was clear to me.

559
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: He I think, I think, and he just doesn't want

560
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: to make it a thing at all. He doesn't need

561
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: the aeration. He doesn't he know, he knows it's World

562
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: War three, could happen at any moment. This is a

563
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: really explosive situation, and he gets that. He understands that

564
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: being competitive, and there's a little bit of jealousy and

565
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: she feels shut up. But that's and I think that's

566
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: why how he's doing it.

567
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: You know, he's he's not making any move to reassure her.

568
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 5: If his life is that upset, wouldn't he want to

569
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: reassure her something.

570
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: He is doing that by being chill af he's reassured.

571
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: That's what Lorlai wants. She doesn't want.

572
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: But he's saying, I don't know. Look, I think he's

573
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: being steady. I think there is something to what Scott's saying.

574
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: He's being very steady and very to serve his aunts.

575
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: By being so steady, if he stirs it up and makes.

576
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: The whole thing outserve the relationship. Say that again, preserve

577
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: the relation. To Susanne's comment, preserve the relationship ultimately, because

578
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: it could blow up into a huge fire any moment.

579
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: I also think his energy, which is not a fault

580
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: to him, but his energy right now is very much

581
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: into April, Like that is where his energy is. And

582
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: you can't even just tell that with like the fact

583
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: that he didn't even tell Lorelai Lane is engaged, you know,

584
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: like those little things that he's like not like he's

585
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: not putting all his energy right now into his relationship

586
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: with Lorelai, which is what he was doing for a while.

587
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: You know, that was his girl forever. So like there's

588
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: definitely an energy shift.

589
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but that's who he is. That's the type

590
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: of you've met those people. Yeah, Now now they're doing

591
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: this because that needs that attention. They can't split up

592
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: their energy the way some people can.

593
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: I also think this whole thing is so big, right,

594
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: Like you find out you have a kid twelve years later,

595
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: that's so massive that if you then come with a

596
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: lot of energy, good or bad into the relationship, like

597
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: this is what you think, now we need to talk

598
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: about this awful. It's so much that everything will include.

599
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: The only option to handling something this major is with

600
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: calm and steadiness.

601
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: Many would argue in conjunction with your partner, you know

602
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: what I mean, like and that that second half is

603
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 4: not there.

604
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 5: I mean he's he's basically he seems to think that

605
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: he has to choose between he either can be April's

606
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 5: dad or he can be larealized fiance.

607
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 6: Actually I don't actually don't agree.

608
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: That with that. I disagree with that. I think in

609
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: this moment, sure, but again he's you know, this is

610
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: a massive wave that just whacked him.

611
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 5: Are right, but it's been last six months. It's it's

612
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 5: we're in April.

613
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: And it's a kid, it's a human kid. My thing

614
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: is he wants to develop a and I think rightfully,

615
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: so he wants to develop a father daughter relationship. First.

616
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: He's not saying he's not eventually going to do a

617
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: father stepmother relationship, but he doesn't even have If you

618
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: change the dichotomy, right, say say he changed everything and

619
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: he's like, it's great to meet you. This is my fiance, Lorilai.

620
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: We're going to get to know you. That's one way

621
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: to do it. But it's a very different relationship coming

622
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: in as a two than him saying, first, I need

623
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: to be easy about this. I need to be a father.

624
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: I want to have a relationship with her. I want

625
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: to go on the math treat retreat, whatever is right.

626
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: And I mean we've had this conversation before. There's nothing

627
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: wrong with that. But she hasn't even met April.

628
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: Well maybe it's not.

629
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 5: That's that's a problem for me.

630
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: I don't know.

631
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 2: Is there a moment where Lorela goes to Luke and says, Hey,

632
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: I just want you to know something. I'm one hundred

633
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: percent supportive. I got your back here, I get what

634
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: you're doing and anything I can do to help let

635
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: me know.

636
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 5: I wish she would beating around the booshe prepending like.

637
00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: She's because she doesn't do that and she is sending her.

638
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: Can I just say one thing really quick? Yes, but

639
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: I have a right Scott.

640
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: I love that.

641
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 4: If Luray said that, I would have loved that. Yes,

642
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: But in the same breath, it shouldn't be on her

643
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 4: to say that.

644
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: I disagree Danielle Tomorrow.

645
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: Why he would do it for her? And he has

646
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: done it for her, and that's who he is. Why

647
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: can't he get that level of respect and selflessness and

648
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: selfless behavior because the child's future is at stake and

649
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: her laurelized whole world revolves around Rory, and everything's Rory,

650
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: Rory Roy and everybody in the township and Ry and

651
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: Luke said, Rory Rory, he hasn't sacrificed for war. Now

652
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: he is a kid.

653
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: It's maybe right, I'm agree, Maybe it's.

654
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: His turn that the people in his life do him

655
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: the way he offered himself for all those years.

656
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: I totally agree, Danielle.

657
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: Let me say they rallying around him question.

658
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: I have a way to solve this. Okay, you know

659
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna ask you.

660
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 4: I know exactly what you're gonna ask me.

661
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: Go for it, John Moreno ditches you or Angelina Jolie.

662
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: Tomorrow you've got a kid, then you meet somebody.

663
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to worry about it because that's

664
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: not going to last very long.

665
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: In like a week, When are you going to introduce

666
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 3: your kid to another potential father? FI?

667
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: That's huge.

668
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 4: I think you're comparing apples. That's very different, absolutely zero comparison.

669
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: You're talking about a kid that I have completely raised

670
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: my entire life, bringing in a new person to that

671
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter different.

672
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: Well, I disagree because here's why. It's to each his own.

673
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: So if you told me you want to introduce him,

674
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: your kid to your new boyfriend Brad Pitt in two months, fine,

675
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: But if you want to do it in ten years, fine.

676
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: The person that gets to make that decision is the parent.

677
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 3: So Luke gets to make that decision himself.

678
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: But I agree, I do agree with it.

679
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: You don't because you're all like, why is he introducing you? No?

680
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 4: No, I agree that it's up to Luke to decide

681
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 4: what he wants to do. It is his decision, and

682
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: that's why Lorelai is not. That's you're kind of proving

683
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: my point, to be completely honest with you, because my

684
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 4: point is it shouldn't be up to Lorelai to say, hey,

685
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: I really want to be you know, suppose said you, and.

686
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: Luke has been clear with her he is not ready

687
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: yet for them to be of them with April, whether

688
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: subconsciously clearly, we all know it.

689
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: And Luke certainly isn't going to come around and be

690
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: accommodative if if Laurela I is spinning around, uh like

691
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: the wash cycle, you.

692
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: Know, well he's not read. And also, guys.

693
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? She did it through the

694
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: entire episode.

695
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: I agree with you at she exactly He's right you guys.

696
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 3: And also, a man listens to us, A man listens

697
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: to what a woman says. They're not mind readers, right,

698
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,479
Speaker 3: We're all women are like overthinking it all in our minds. Right.

699
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: A man listens to what a woman says, and everything

700
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 3: she has actually said in words is we should postpone

701
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: the wedding. Oh are you sure, yes, let's postpone the wedding. No,

702
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: I'm good, I understand. I'll be back at the diner

703
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: at eight fifteen after she's left. Everything she is indicating

704
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: with human words is making Luke, who is a man

705
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: fairly you know, not an overthinking man. Every indication is

706
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: it's basically fine. She even says, no, you should go.

707
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: He wasn't even gonna go on the math thing, and

708
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: she says no, you should go. So you don't get

709
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: to have it both ways and be like, no, you

710
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: should go. But behind the scenes, I'm all but heard

711
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: about it. No, Well, but I mean she she's not.

712
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 5: It's not that she doesn't want them to have a relationship.

713
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: She wants him to have a.

714
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 5: Relationship with his daughter, but she would like to at

715
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: least meet her.

716
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: The whole rest of the town is not ready.

717
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: But why not respect the fact that he's not ready

718
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: for that yet? And why not respect that has been

719
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: there for you? Maybe is an entire adult life making

720
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: sure that that Rory stays on the right path and

721
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: helps her out as a friend for all those years,

722
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: where's the respect coming back? And now he's being described

723
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: as something he's out of touch, and he's like, oh,

724
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: a typical guy. It's all about him. Yeah, right now,

725
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: it's all about him and his daughter.

726
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 5: And he's making the joice everyone else into the town.

727
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: Because they're not going to be the mother figure. He

728
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 3: is not ready yet to have the person enter in

729
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 3: that is going to play a mother figure in her life.

730
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 5: Okay, but what if they were already married when April came.

731
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: And maybe he would say, I'm gonna get to know

732
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: her on my own and then I will bring her

733
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: in when she's ready to Because he may be making

734
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: that decision. She has a mother, you guys, and that

735
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: may be bringing in another mother figure, maybe something that

736
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: he's taking slower, or it feels like he needs to

737
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: discuss with Anna and guess what he does. Because if

738
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: I was Anna and I had a kid and all

739
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: of a sudden she wants to meet her dad, Okay, fine,

740
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: I'll process that. Fine, Suddenly she's going to have another

741
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: woman that's raising her kid. That's a conversation that needs

742
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: to be discussed and handled very appropriately out of respect

743
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: for Anna too. That's the mom and you kind of look,

744
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 3: people disagree with me, but in my opinion you kind

745
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: of defer to that that person matters, and yeah, lor

746
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: might not go into the store and all that sketchy.

747
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: I agree.

748
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 6: The one thing that I was going to say is

749
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 6: would it be different if and this is obviously like,

750
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I've never been in a situation, but I

751
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 6: mean April didn't even know about Luke, So would it

752
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 6: be different if he introduced Laura Lai, Like, hey, this

753
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 6: is my fiance because he does have a life without her,

754
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 6: and that's totally fine, that's understandable, But then like take

755
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 6: his time with her to at least introduce her.

756
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: It would be fine if that's what the dad wants

757
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: to do. The dad and mom get to decide what

758
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 3: happens with a kid, not the town, not us, not Loralai. Sorry,

759
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 3: I'm getting like, I don't mean to cut everyone off.

760
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: I need to agree. Luke has made the decision that's

761
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: right for him. Is it right for Suzanne, clearly not.

762
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: Is it right for Danielle clearly not? But it is

763
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: right for him. So I come from the place of

764
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: I gotta have some respect for what he's making the decision,

765
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: because that's the decision he's making for his kid. It's

766
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 3: his kid, right, how.

767
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: Many kids out there don't get enough attention from either

768
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: parent or get any attention from any parent. And look

769
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: what he's doing. Where's the positive What are the positive

770
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: comments about what he's taking his time? He's saying, I'm

771
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 2: going to focus on my daughter right now. I didn't

772
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: know she existed. Wow, what a mind scrambling situation. And

773
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: I'm taking responsibility here because I didn't know about this.

774
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: But now here, I am thrust into a situation and

775
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to rise to the occasion. Where's where's the admiration?

776
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone's disputing that, mad No, no, no, no.

777
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: This is not a situation where you know what takes precedence.

778
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: Here is what laurelized not getting now that she got before,

779
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: She's still gonna get it. It's just delayed right now.

780
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: That's exactly larger, a larger situation, that's exact. And if

781
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: her ego can't handle it, then her ego can't handle

782
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: that's right.

783
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 3: And also the kid, a twelve year old kid is

784
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: already meeting their father for the first time. Oh god,

785
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: it may be too overwhelming, in Luke's opinion, to have

786
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: her also meet her stepmother all in one.

787
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 5: Like, okay, but again, if they were already married, would

788
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 5: he make Lreli move out so that he caniculous.

789
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: Not doing that.

790
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, he's not moving.

791
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: They're not married.

792
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: Even if he's keeping.

793
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: He's intentionally keeping Lorelei and April apart. And after six months.

794
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 5: I don't understand why they can't even like share a

795
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 5: handshake and.

796
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: Say he's not ready and we have to waiting for

797
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: it because he's not. It's because.

798
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: It's not up to laurel I. This is this is

799
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: up to Luke.

800
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: Okay, So Suzanne, say, my parents are divorced and my

801
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: dad has a new somebody, who is it up to

802
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: when I meet her? Me and my dad, not her.

803
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: She doesn't get to decide.

804
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 5: It's up to my she should be deciding. I'm saying

805
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 5: that she should be able to meet April like he should.

806
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: I think.

807
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: I think, hang on, it's up to April. It's her April,

808
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: because how many times he.

809
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: Never asked because he's not ready. We have to respect that.

810
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: We don't know that yet, we don't know all of

811
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: the conversations that they're having. Obviously, April has said I'm

812
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 2: not ready yet. This he's not ready, oh, or he's

813
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: not ready. No, nobody's ready. You know, we're putting they

814
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: have to be ready.

815
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: I admitted that, and that is fine, that he's not ready.

816
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think the thing is is that

817
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: Amy and Scott your points are one hundred percent valid. Like,

818
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 4: I completely agree with you. I think it is up

819
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: to Luke, it is up to April. It's up to

820
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 4: them to figure out when it's the right time to

821
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: infiltrate Loreli into their relationship. I totally agree with that.

822
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 4: Yet in the same breath, it still doesn't sit well

823
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 4: with me in the sense that it's like, what what

824
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: is holding back Luke from bringing.

825
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: We don't know that, And that's sort of the craft

826
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: of the writers causing this consternation in totally all of

827
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: us because we don't have any of the answers. We're

828
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: not privy to the private conversations of Luke and April.

829
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: And also, you know, oftentimes the best right is what

830
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 2: is not written. Well, let me go to you this

831
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: way very actively participating in this.

832
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: You know, six months is not a long time. I

833
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: would not meet someone's children in six months. I would

834
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: definitely make it be years, not six months. So that's

835
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: all I can say too, is like, and most people

836
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: when they get and say, I understand that this is

837
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: a different situation, but let's just pretend for the conversation

838
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 3: two people get divorced. I know very, very few people

839
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: that are okay with their kids. Meeting their new significant

840
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: other six months in a standard is like be together,

841
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: and look, some people do it different. I have plenty

842
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: of friends that are like, I've been dating someone two months,

843
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: he's met my kids. Fine, that's totally fine if that's

844
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: what you want to do. I know other people that

845
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: have been dating for two years and they haven't met

846
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 3: the kids. So it's like, but.

847
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 5: That's a completely different situation, Like a parent child pair.

848
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 5: Bringing in a new adult is different than two adults.

849
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: And disagree her together. I understand where you're coming from,

850
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: but here's why I disagree. It's up to the person, right, so,

851
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: and it's still a child meeting her dad and someone else.

852
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: It's very overwhelming, and they may have decided this is

853
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: the right way for them, and.

854
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: We let's let's let's game theory it out right. Let's say, okay,

855
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: April and and Laurel I meet and they hit it

856
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: off right away, and it's fantastic, It's even better than

857
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 2: and then Anna gets triggered and it's a whole thing,

858
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: and that causes the breakup of Look and Laurel I

859
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: because we've got to take care of the kid. Kids

860
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: hurt Laurel I.

861
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 3: So well, Okay, we're not there yet right.

862
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 4: In the.

863
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: I want to ask the panel. I'm want to ask

864
00:47:53,600 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: the panel here, how would you feel and would you

865
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: feel it's justified? Maybe I'm not asking it the right way.

866
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: If it is okay, if you want to place a value,

867
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: because we're all placing values on these relationships, father, daughter, Luke, Laurel.

868
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: You know the value of this, and we know the

869
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: value of it to the fans of the show, but

870
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: in real life, let's put in real life terms. The

871
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: value here is is the Luke Apral relationship more important

872
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: than the Luke Laureli relationship? Would Luke sacrifice the Luke

873
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: Laureli relationship in order to preserve his relationship with his

874
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: daughter and make sure that his daughter is doing the

875
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: right thing, is guided the right way, and would not

876
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: make him a good guy if he did that? And

877
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: he went to Laurel I one day and say Listen,

878
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: this isn't going to work out. You know, she really

879
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: needs me and I've got to focus on her. And

880
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 2: I know I can't give you what you need because

881
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: I'm not that kind of guy or whatever it is.

882
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: Does this make him less of a person.

883
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: It's the toughest choice ever. But you might have to

884
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: make it right. I don't think you do, though.

885
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 5: That was my point earlier that I started to try

886
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 5: to make was that he doesn't have to sacrifice one

887
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 5: for the other. He can have a relationship with both

888
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: of them. An adult can have a relationship with another

889
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 5: adult and their child at the same time.

890
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 3: Correct, But he doesn't want to bring a third person

891
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: into his relationship. You're saying both things. He is having

892
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: a relationship with April, and he still has a good

893
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: relationship with Lreli.

894
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 5: He doesn't though he's totally pushing away out. No, No,

895
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 5: he's made a relation, not have her involved.

896
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: Whether he's aware of it or not. He's protecting his

897
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: child from a relationship with Lorelai in April that is

898
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: either really good or really bad, and it's only to

899
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: have the same effect on it, and.

900
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: It's only in the moment. He has never said future,

901
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: just in this moment. Six months not a lot of

902
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: time to get to know a human kid. He is

903
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: just making that decision for right now, and I respect it.

904
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: You all don't have to because it might not be

905
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 3: right for you, But for me, I get it. I

906
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: respect it, and it's his choice and Anna's choice. More

907
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: than anybody's choice. It is his choice.

908
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 5: And I feel like you're right. He's never said anything

909
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 5: into the future, but that can be taken both ways,

910
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 5: because he's also not said you will meet April Sunday.

911
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 5: He's not saying anything that's right.

912
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: Well, maybe he doesn't feel comfortable making that kind of

913
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: a promise exactly.

914
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 3: And this is the thing, this is the deal, whatever order,

915
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: it happens. If you are with somebody who has kids,

916
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: and this goes for Luke, with Loralai and Rory, you

917
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: have to be willing to play by their rules. It's

918
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: a choice that happens if you entering into a relationship.

919
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: So say Laura Lai had certain things about Rory, right,

920
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: she sure didn't want Max parenting Rory. That was a no,

921
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 3: no no. And also we all had a big problem

922
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 3: that Laura Lai was dating the teacher. There's a lot

923
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: of things that blur the lines. Right, Laura is not

924
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: freaking perfect. So my thing is you defer to the parents.

925
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if Anna is a the worst person,

926
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 3: beautch of the planet. That is the mom. So whether

927
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 3: Lauralai likes it or not, she gets pull position essentially,

928
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: And that's just the way the world works with parents

929
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 3: and kids.

930
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: Right right. And I'm not saying it's it's an ideal

931
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: situation for Lauralai. It's a difficult situation to be in, right.

932
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 2: She is. She's having some difficulty she should be having

933
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: anybody would be having difficulty with this situation because.

934
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: She's second place, right, She's a second place right now?

935
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: She's not in second place? Yes, she is.

936
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: She is.

937
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: She's not you guys, she's.

938
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: Not well, she's she's number one in his heart. But

939
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: now he's okay.

940
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: If if Lurla asked lou K, can we get dinner tonight?

941
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: And April asked, lou K can we get dinner tonight,

942
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 4: who's he having dinner with?

943
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 3: Guess what? Though? That doesn't make a second place? That

944
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: doesn't make that doesn't there's enough.

945
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 4: Priority right now? Is April okay?

946
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: So might be his thing?

947
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: Is you know, I think I don't think Lorelai is

948
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: being a pain in the answer about everything. I think

949
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: she's being pretty great. But she's being pretty great about it.

950
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 3: Priority thing.

951
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: I think she's being supportive, and I think she's been is.

952
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: She's it's hard, this is hard, and she's having a

953
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: quote hard time.

954
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: But I think she's handling it very well.

955
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: But I want to address this priority thing because my

956
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: thing is priority is different than love. He can love

957
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 3: Lorelai and April equally. Say you're a mom and and

958
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: your boyfriend wants to have dinner tonight, but you're kid's

959
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: got Violin lessons. Is it you're not my top priority

960
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 3: because I have to take my kids to Violin. No,

961
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: it's just it's just the world works. It doesn't mean

962
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: that he loves Lorelai any less because he's having dinner

963
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: with April. It is your kid, you are. If you

964
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 3: pick Laureli over your kid, you're a big toolbag. Your

965
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 3: kid has priority, But it doesn't mean your second position

966
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: or you love them less. Danielle, I guarantee you I didn't.

967
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: I didn't say love love less. That was not coming

968
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 4: from me, But I do I still stand by it.

969
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 4: I think his energy is completely shifted off Lorelai and

970
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 4: is on April right now, like I do. I do

971
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: feel that, And that's basically all I'm trying to say

972
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 4: is right now, his focus, his attention is it's right.

973
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's wrong.

974
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 5: No, I agree, yeah, I agree with and now and

975
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 5: and the now that it's been so long, the expectation

976
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: is that Lorelei just doesn't interact with April at all,

977
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 5: Like I don't see ever gonna.

978
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: Taste like a blink. Think of how fast six months goes.

979
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 3: I don't peo, don't even know how to play tickleball

980
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 3: in six months to get to know a kid.

981
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 5: Take the number off of it. It's just now become

982
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 5: the expectation that Lorelei doesn't get to know April. And

983
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 5: that's just how it is. It's not even a conversation

984
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 5: anymore now for now. Luke's not saying for now, this

985
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 5: is how it is.

986
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 3: But it is for now, Like if you date a

987
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 3: person with a kid, it is a whole different set

988
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 3: of rules. Now I understand that it's all backwards, right

989
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: because of the way this went down, So he could

990
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: have chosen to do it differently, but he didn't and

991
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: we have to respect that the parent kind of guides

992
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 3: it and the significant other needs to adapt to that,

993
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 3: and if they don't like it, then they have to leave.

994
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: If Laura like doesn't like it, she's like, I'm not

995
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 3: having this. I need to be in this kid's life,

996
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 3: then guess what. She has the choice to not be

997
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: in the relationship with Luke. But what she doesn't have

998
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 3: is the flex to be like, you're gonna do with

999
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: your kid? What I say this is just in my.

1000
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 4: Opinion, Yeah, she's not doing that. I agree, she's she's

1001
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 4: never asked that.

1002
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 3: That's that's not any of what y'all want, because she's

1003
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 3: saying you need.

1004
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 5: To acknowledge her feelings.

1005
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: That's what about Wait a minute, what about what Luke's

1006
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: not getting?

1007
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 3: He doesn't even know what her feelings are because everything

1008
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: she says is like, it's fine, I'm fine, go on

1009
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 3: the trip. Sorry, Scott, go ahead.

1010
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: But I mean you're also saying that he does know

1011
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 4: and that he can.

1012
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, your thing this is he knows that this is

1013
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 3: so major and could be the thing that breaks them up. Right,

1014
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 3: So what he's doing is just being steady and he's

1015
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: that's why when she asked, Oh, I see, there's luggage.

1016
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: He is very forthcoming. April dropped that off because she

1017
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 3: had it at the store and knew I was going.

1018
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 3: He doesn't lie, he doesn't even fudge the truth. He's

1019
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: so forthcoming with it. So like I thought, he did

1020
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 3: the right thing. And I know we're half an episode

1021
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: from tom.

1022
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 6: He also didn't cancel the wedding. He postponed it, so.

1023
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: That's I'm so mad about that. She told him to.

1024
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 6: I know, But I'm saying, just like he's taking the time,

1025
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 6: and so I do see that, but I'm saying, like,

1026
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 6: it's not like Lorlai will never ever ever meet April.

1027
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 6: He's just taking his time. And that's the thing. It's

1028
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 6: like there was never a discussion like you will never

1029
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 6: meet her, this is my daughter. You are not crossing

1030
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 6: paths like that never happened.

1031
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 2: You know.

1032
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 4: At the moment right now, Yeah, definitely not crossing paths.

1033
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 4: You're not at the diner at the same time like

1034
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 4: in this moment. That is because the reality, Yeah, many

1035
00:56:58,960 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 4: people that's.

1036
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: Appro Laurli has one move here. There's only one move

1037
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: here for her, and that is to be as supportive

1038
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: as she possibly and as supportive and as understanding as

1039
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: she possibly can, because that's what a great partner does.

1040
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you.

1041
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: It is he did it for her his entire adult life.

1042
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: That's what great partners do. They understand and they are

1043
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: there for you.

1044
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

1045
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter how much sunshine is shining on

1046
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: you in any particular day. You gotta take take one

1047
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: for the team sometimes. And I mean if if a

1048
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: kid showing up after twelve years out of the blue

1049
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: is in a situation where you got to take one

1050
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: for the team, then you shouldn't be on the team.

1051
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: I agree, he's taking one for the team. I'm not

1052
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: disputing that, but you're but Suzanne is ready for Lorelei

1053
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 3: to meet April and Luke isn't, So it doesn't really

1054
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: matter what Scott saying.

1055
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 4: Then you shouldn't be on the team. Is literally leading

1056
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 4: me to my very next point. This wedding is not

1057
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 4: going to happen. And I haven't seen the series and

1058
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 4: I don't know anything that's happening. But if I had

1059
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 4: a crystal ball right now, this wedding is not happening.

1060
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 5: Well you'll see it definitely doesn't feel postponed. It feels canceled.

1061
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: Oh I disagree. It feels totally postponed to me because.

1062
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 5: Because there's not been one word about the wedding.

1063
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: Not true. They talked about it in Vineyard in the videos.

1064
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 5: I was just going to say, except for the we'll

1065
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 5: have lobster in our wedding, that's the last thing anybody

1066
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 5: has ever said. I was like yesterday, that was literally

1067
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 5: like that was that was three months ago.

1068
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: What month is it now, April?

1069
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 5: This episode aired in April.

1070
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 3: Well, what month is it in Gilmore World?

1071
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: It's April? Six months? Six months is irrelevant. We do

1072
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: not know how much access or how much time Luke

1073
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: and April are spending together, given April schedule, and she

1074
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: lives with her mother, so her mother's running that show,

1075
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: so he's at her back and call. It's not up

1076
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: to Luke. He's on April and Anna's time table, when

1077
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: he can see her, when they can spend time. So

1078
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: maybe it's just these little chunks of time. Maybe maybe

1079
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: once a week, couple times. So six months is nothing

1080
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: to try to get.

1081
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: Could be ten, It could be every other week. For

1082
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 3: all we know, he's maybe seen her twenty five times.

1083
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 3: We don't even know all.

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