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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are back with our live coverage here from

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale.

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Speaker 1: Lolly here with the Matt Williamson and Matt bringing on him.

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Speaker 1: There's there's there's nobody I would rather be on the

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Speaker 1: air with right now than you to end this thing,

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Speaker 1: to wrap this thing up and put.

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Speaker 3: A bow on it all and technical drive fashion absolutely

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Speaker 3: closers starters.

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Speaker 1: We started the week off with our with our podcast

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Speaker 1: on Monday, and we're finishing the week off with.

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Speaker 3: Our bringer boy Dennis out of the pen. You know,

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Speaker 3: just shut everybody down.

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Speaker 1: We start the game, we close it out ourselves, and

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Speaker 1: uh that's the way it should be.

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Speaker 2: And we're getting to see a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of the guys working out on the field. But

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Speaker 1: you just saw a little something that Devon Godshaw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We're page.

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Speaker 1: Is now available because he apparently does not fit what

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Speaker 1: the what the new coaching staff in New England wants

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Speaker 1: to do. And for those that don't know, Devon Godshaw

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Speaker 1: is a three hundred and thirty pounds pure nerves.

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Speaker 2: To old school Dick Lebo would love him. Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 2: have a guy right, Yeah, just eat up blocks in

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Speaker 2: the power. Yeah, thickness, toughness, more than just yeah, more

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Speaker 1: I mean he's he's he started all seventeen games in

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Speaker 1: his entire in his entire Patriots career. He just turned

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Speaker 1: thirty in November. The contract is not ridiculous, right, four

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Speaker 1: million dollars in twenty twenty five and I think six

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Speaker 2: I would interest me a great deal. I would be.

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Speaker 1: Highly interested in that. I mean, this guy is a premium,

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Speaker 1: premium run stuffer. He's the reason why it was very difficult.

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Speaker 1: Even when the Patriots have been terrible the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years, they're still tough to run against.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's a Belichick favorite. Yeah, just doesn't fit

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Speaker 3: this scheme. I mean Belichick adored him and use them

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Speaker 3: exactly like that, Like he's Vinci will Fork more or less.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure our regular listeners we love you. But guys,

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Speaker 3: there's so many nose tackles and it's a great defensive

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Speaker 3: tackle draft, but sometimes you just zag, you know.

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Speaker 4: Likes, you just take what you right. The know all

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean you still can't draft one, right, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm sure you can still the tackle. Let

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Speaker 4: that let that young guy. Learn behind this guy kick

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Speaker 4: Keanu bent out to the end. You can still draft

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Speaker 4: another end now.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is just you know exactly what you're

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Speaker 3: getting and it costs you a very late pick, I'm sure,

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Speaker 3: or even sign him when he gets let go.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna let him. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you'll let him go because they have so

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Speaker 1: much caps face.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it wouldn't be a cap issue, right, you may

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Speaker 3: con hold him to the trade dead.

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Speaker 1: They would just be doing the guy. You know, here's

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Speaker 1: what we'll do you a solid. It's not like some

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Speaker 1: of these other issues. They they don't need cap space,

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Speaker 1: and they could make more by a lot of other

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Speaker 1: moves if they needed to too. So no, I would offer

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Speaker 1: them a seventh right now. Yeah, but you say it

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Speaker 1: was like four mill in the cap it this year,

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Speaker 1: six next year. They could drop in a box. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: that's great. Could actually even you know again at another

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Speaker 2: All of those guys play forever. They do play forever

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Speaker 2: and ever.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievably reliable as you said, is he a great player, No,

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Speaker 3: but he is a very.

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Speaker 2: Fitting for what they need. Yeah, and reliable And the

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Speaker 2: other thing that you could do if you did something

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Speaker 2: like that, Matt is instead of drafting a nose tackle,

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Speaker 2: which would be nice to do, Yeah, but I don't

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Speaker 1: You could then draft two defensive ends, you know, two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and even one to be fine too, but I

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Speaker 3: mean he definitely still are in the market for one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it'd have to be an immense value.

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Speaker 3: I like this idea a lot, and I had been

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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of get your nose in the draft,

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Speaker 3: you know. But they're not that expensive on the open

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Speaker 3: you need it. Yeah, you definitely mean if you don't

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Speaker 3: have that guy, teams run on you. If you do

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Speaker 3: they're eleven person a little more, which plays into your

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean, so I would be really interested

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Max Stark's joining us here now.

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Speaker 1: Max, we're talking about d Von Godshaw being available from

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, and.

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Speaker 3: Reliable knows that is just plug them in the miliar defense,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's literally a plug like the bottom

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Speaker 5: like the bottom of old school bathtub, that plug that

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Speaker 2: He brings that to you.

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Speaker 5: He's a very traditional guy once again, reliable, improven at

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Speaker 2: So you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, you know what you're getting if you bring

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Speaker 5: him in. It's like plug it, set it forget.

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Speaker 1: It, and it doesn't preclude you then from taking two

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Speaker 5: And after what we saw yesterday as far as the

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Speaker 5: it's an asset to have that and have coaches who

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, whatever, Yes, exactly that I get, I get

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Speaker 6: the you know, and you have to say you're getting

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Speaker 5: The thousand yard view that a lot of the other

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Speaker 5: day to be on the field working these guys, moving

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Speaker 5: the guys of the vocal leaders getting guys in order. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you get all of those extra learn things. Yeah, learn

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Speaker 1: And we saw Carl Dunbar down on the on the

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Speaker 2: He wanted to get that up close and lead on.

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Speaker 5: He led, He led the wave drill for the guy,

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Speaker 5: So I thought that was really important. And then of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about some of some of the measurable

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Speaker 2: We can chime in with anything that you saw that

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Speaker 1: In those drills, Max and Matt Darius Alexander did a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty pretty prolific.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty good for six and five pounds. Yeah, big,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.

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Speaker 1: But the other guy to me that they kind of

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Speaker 2: Yaha, black. Yeah. For as big as that dude is,

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Speaker 5: as laborious in his process. Yeah, exactly, like you saw

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Speaker 2: The side to side stuff with him is pretty impressive

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Speaker 3: Anybody becomes an issue, but he can get low.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's something that you know, if you

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Is this his ceiling or now in the case of

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Speaker 1: a yah, yeah black of course he's from Iowa.

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Speaker 2: Is that a case? Is that a situation where scouting

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Speaker 2: the helmet is beneficial because that Iowa defense tight ends

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that Iowa, Iowa offensive linemen and and

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Speaker 2: five six years. I mean, it's been the same coach

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Speaker 2: forever about to say, I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Offensive player, I don't want to still position players now

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Speaker 1: zero skill, But when you're talking about line, yeah, those

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Speaker 1: are the guys you want, because, like you said, it's

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Speaker 1: been the same for a decade, and we can talk

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Speaker 5: And you know, you know what you're getting. Those guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every position. Yeah, they had everything.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so receivers running tomorrow, Yes, okay today or

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Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, the top two DB's the top two cornerbacks

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Speaker 2: Do we need to really guess on? Yeah, I would

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Speaker 2: For a guy like John A.

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Speaker 1: Baron, Yeah, well, what's a good time for him if

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Speaker 1: not like he hasn't done it. But he's not as

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Speaker 1: Guys just more about the side to side in their

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you but I mean, but like you said,

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Speaker 1: For example of Santa Strill was looked at, well, he's

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Speaker 1: he's the best nickel in this draft. In the draft

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Speaker 2: All year and he was solid and he had a

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Speaker 2: I see him as a.

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Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound like damning praise after the

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Speaker 3: Troy and got a big contract for a reason, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: We played him everywhere wherever we needed him he went

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Speaker 5: So we played there. Well, we get an injury boom,

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Speaker 5: he can play outside too. And then the reason why

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Speaker 3: Baron can play some deep safety too. Yeah, yeah, doesn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Those kind of guys are valuable. Now is that first

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Speaker 2: That's the question. I mean, Matt and I have we

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Speaker 1: I mean, and people we're saying, well, yeah, and I've

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Speaker 1: I got no problem taking that guy there because he's

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Speaker 2: Play a lot.

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Speaker 5: And the question you have to ask yourself at the

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Speaker 5: round for me?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: Because if you if you answer no, then that means

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Speaker 5: if there's another guy in front of him that fell

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Speaker 2: Sorry, right now, it's a difference.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Joey Porter draft with all Right, you

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Speaker 1: have Broderick ranked ahead of him, so he took Broderick. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exact sev. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And that's the thing, and that's the thing that happens

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I've got to get up into these

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Speaker 5: next two to three spots in day two, at the

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Speaker 2: It happens all the time. That's so Tennessee did that draft.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't believe Levis was still there.

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Speaker 3: Now that has worked out, but they want they thought

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Speaker 1: Get the want the hear the Steelers took Firar him

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Speaker 2: You take the guy.

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Speaker 5: You take the guy, and that guy usually performs well

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Speaker 5: you know, one guy might feel one way, thirty one

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Speaker 3: A need, they take him and he fits your scheme

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Speaker 2: That's the guy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Because I think when you think about the first

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Speaker 5: you can correct me if I'm wrong, they all fit

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Speaker 5: a need and they fit the schematics that you're looking for. Right,

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Speaker 5: You're like, these are targets, and these are the ones

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Speaker 2: Day two, that's where you want to go up. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: You pick and choose where you want to you know,

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Speaker 5: day two. But that's why you want those resources in

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Speaker 5: guys perform, because you know, if you get those high ones,

442
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 5: that's a lot more leverage, more poker chips that the

443
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,120
Speaker 5: house gives you, you know, to continue to play because

444
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,200
Speaker 5: they like the way that you're playing.

445
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 2: It used to make me crazy that the NFL wouldn't

446
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,640
Speaker 2: allow you to trade the compas.

447
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, why are these different? I mean, yeah, it

448
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,960
Speaker 3: finally woke up and be like, well that makes more fun.

449
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 5: More trades, right, yeah, you get more action, you get

450
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 5: more crazy insanity on the draft, right, more action better.

451
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,919
Speaker 1: Well, let's get to a break, guys. I'm here with

452
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,919
Speaker 1: Max Starks and Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. We

453
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Speaker 1: are live from the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. Uh,

454
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 1: this be a Friday here. We're going to see uh

455
00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,880
Speaker 1: again the uh you see the DB's work out today.

456
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,639
Speaker 1: We saw the defensive lineman last night. A lot of

457
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 1: stuff going on here, the quarterbacks, the wide receivers, the

458
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,160
Speaker 1: divas all over there today.

459
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,959
Speaker 2: But show ponies. Yeah, there we go, but let's get

460
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Speaker 2: to a break. We'll be back with more right after this.

461
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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly here with

462
00:19:58,920 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 2: Max Starks.

463
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 1: And Matt Williamson as we take in the day two

464
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: of the workouts here at.

465
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 2: The NFL Scouting Combine that those won't kick off until.

466
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 1: Later, but we saw some dudes out there yesterday and

467
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 1: some of the linebackers and edge rushers.

468
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 2: James Pierce had a good day on the on the field,

469
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: ridiculous day. Yeah.

470
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 1: He is a smooth looking athlete out of Tennessee. But

471
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 1: there's some off the field stuff there. That character you

472
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: might have to just get sussed out. But I mean,

473
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: if you didn't know any of that stuff, you just

474
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: watched the the what he did on the field, I'll

475
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: be like that impressively that guy might be a top

476
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Speaker 1: fifteen pick.

477
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, easily, like I mean, and then of course

478
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 5: Jamar Stewart, I mean, yeah, you don't have the production

479
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 5: in college necessarily. Yeah, but like you said, when you

480
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 5: come here and you can perform under these circumstances, right,

481
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 5: because this is the pressure cooker, that's what, right, Yeah,

482
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 5: this is a pressure cooker. How do you perform under

483
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 5: less than ideal rest less than ideal circumstances.

484
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: You're in with a whole.

485
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 5: Lot of other guys, You're mixed in with the testosterone

486
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 5: pool at this point, and how do you come out

487
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 5: of that on the.

488
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 3: Other side and you're dragged around and it's not much fun.

489
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 2: Hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait with the process.

490
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 5: That was always harp to me, and what I always

491
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 5: harp to our guys is that hey be prepared to

492
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 5: be comfortable with being uncomfortable, because that's what this is

493
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 5: all about, and how you respond to that uncomfortability. And

494
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 5: it's not just the on the field, it's the medical,

495
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 5: it's the interviews, it's the movement between.

496
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: You got NFL and.

497
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 5: Your captains of your group are usually two NFL legends, right,

498
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 5: that are that that are assigned to each group. And

499
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 5: guess what coaches are doing, they're coming there talking to them.

500
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 5: How does this guy interacted the meal room? How's this

501
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 5: guy moving between places? You know, not just drills, but

502
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 5: moving in between places because you know, the hotel is

503
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 5: one place, you know, where you in interview, and here's

504
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 5: another place. The performance center that they train is right

505
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 5: behind this area right here, so that's where the weight

506
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 5: room is, and everything open until the cameras pop on

507
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 5: or yeah it is he a silent guy and then

508
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 5: all of a sudden the cameras come on. He's a

509
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 5: raw rock guy.

510
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 2: You know.

511
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 5: Is he a fake leader or is he a real leader?

512
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 5: How does he move within that? Is he the first

513
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 5: one in the group lining up?

514
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: I know a lot of.

515
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 5: It's alphabetical, but some of it when you're just moving,

516
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 5: you know, you want to see who's the guy that

517
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 5: has that that pop of leadership and who rallies the

518
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 5: guys on the field. That was another thing I noticed

519
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 5: last nights. I was sitting in the stands. You know,

520
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 5: you see guys, you know, get rallying the guys because

521
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 5: you know, you can get a little ampt especially when

522
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 5: he got drills in his competition. But who's the guy

523
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 5: that guys as soon as he speaks that the eyes

524
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 5: focus right, the guy shut up. You know those all

525
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 5: all those little intingibles matter, and you know those guys

526
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 5: will be picked. You will be asked by the coaches

527
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 5: along the way, Hey, what do you do? GM will

528
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 5: come by, Hey, who stood out to you leadership wise?

529
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 5: You know, not necessarily. I don't care about his metrics

530
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 5: on the field, but what was he like as a person?

531
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: Have you talked to him?

532
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 5: Did he come and ask you questions knowing that you

533
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 5: were a leged Like all of these things matter. You're

534
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 5: under a microscope from the moment you land to the

535
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 5: moment you take off back to your training facility or

536
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 5: your school. You're being watched here.

537
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why people always wonder

538
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: why Mike Tomlin goes to the pro days.

539
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: That hands on at the Senior Bowl.

540
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: I can I can remember and Mike story with us

541
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: before of being at Florida with Pouncy and seeing Pouncy.

542
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Everybody followed Pouncy around like ducklings to every drill, like, hey, pound,

543
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: what we doing now?

544
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: Pounce?

545
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 1: What's what's the next what's the next part of this?

546
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: And he said the way he phrased it was the

547
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: the the sinners in the and the the good boy.

548
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: They all foll the angels and the sinners. It didn't

549
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: matter who it was because youz there. But you also

550
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: had Tim Tebow, like all those dudes followed Pali Cooper,

551
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: those guys all, what are we doing next? Another guy

552
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: that he said was like that was actually was Jack

553
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,239
Speaker 1: Campbell at Iowa. Okay, all those guys and they had

554
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: dudes on that team, They all, Jack, what are we

555
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: doing next? And you know, so there's and those are

556
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: the positions that you know, your center, that's that's a

557
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: that's a hub for communication r.

558
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys are Mike Backer in a hub for community.

559
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: That's your green Dot guy, and that communication stuff is

560
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: very important, particularly at those positions.

561
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, leadership is one of those things that

562
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 5: you know as you look at it, Yeah, there are

563
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 5: the natural ones that should be, but then you know,

564
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 5: are they in actuality or is it somebody else? You know,

565
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 5: because you could have easily went down there and then

566
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 5: maybe it wasn't Pouncing. Maybe maybe it was Gilbert, you

567
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Maybe it was somebody else on

568
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 5: that line that it could have been, but to then

569
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 5: get that tactile feedback, right, you go down there with

570
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 5: the perception and then your perception is proven.

571
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: Right.

572
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 5: That's what you're also looking for by going to the

573
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 5: pro days, because now all these guys are in their

574
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 5: friendly confines right right now, they're all separated, you.

575
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: Know, Ohio State has fifteen.

576
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 5: Guys or right right, you know, but when you get

577
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 5: to the proday, all fifteen of those guys are all

578
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 5: mixed in together on the field at the same time,

579
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 5: and who's the leader amongst those quote unquote leaders will

580
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 5: really stand out because some guys can fake it out here.

581
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 5: But your pro day really gives you a pool behind

582
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 5: the curtain because now you're going back to the place

583
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 5: that they've had the most familiarity more often than that

584
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 5: they play there more than one year. But at the

585
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 5: same time, you get to see those little intangible traits

586
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 5: that you might want on your team when you're thinking

587
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 5: about future leadership. Future guys, how's this guy going to

588
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 5: respond in the future? How does he take well to

589
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 5: leadership and how well does he lead?

590
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: One other thing I wanted to ask you, guys.

591
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we saw Carson Bruner work out yesterday how

592
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: Carson's an inside linebacker at Washington. His dad, Mark Bruner,

593
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: who also was at the University of Washington.

594
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: Scouts that area.

595
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: So when the Steelers get into the room to talk

596
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: about and maybe you know, Carson Bruner is considered a

597
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: later round draft guy. But when you're doing that valuation

598
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: in that room, when the Steelers sit down to do it,

599
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: did they ask Mark Bruner.

600
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: To leave the room? No? I don't know. I bet not. No.

601
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: No, But but but here, cow boys just drafted that

602
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 3: running back that they have scout.

603
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, smaller dude, right, yeah, two years ago, right.

604
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 5: And I think, but but I think here's the thing.

605
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 5: Brunner's been in this long enough, and he knows what

606
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 5: his kid.

607
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: Is, right.

608
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 5: He scouted a lot of dudes. He's scouted a lot

609
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 5: of dudes from that area. And also that played that position.

610
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 5: So I think, you know, in that moment, it's not

611
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 5: about necessarily having thick skin about it.

612
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: They've already been doing reviews on him. Yeah. For example,

613
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: although if I was I was.

614
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: In Bruner's shoes and I wrote his report, I might

615
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: be like a little poor changing direction.

616
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: Gets that from mom must be his mother's jeans. These

617
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: are not my genes. I would definitely have a joke

618
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 2: in there a report.

619
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: When the Steelers had when the Steelers hired Sheldon White

620
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: as their pro personnel guy, they had his son was

621
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: already a receiver on the team.

622
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it wasn't Jerry Rice situation where like, you know,

623
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 2: we're gonna cut him or right.

624
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I can just remember those meetings, like,

625
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 5: you know, even for Sheldon, like Sheldon was still brutally honest, right,

626
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, your credibility.

627
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: Is on the line, right. You can't can't you can't

628
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: grow soft because it's your child.

629
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 5: But what you and you're and you also I think

630
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 5: you've had that conversation with your kid, like, hey, this

631
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 5: is not gonna be like a slam dunk, you know,

632
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 5: and you realize they're gonna be harder on you because

633
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 5: you are my kid, right and and whatever I've told

634
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 5: you just expect. If you've done it, it's fine, But

635
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 5: if you haven't, it's going to come up. And at

636
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 5: this job, it's like my job's on the line. You know,

637
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: my credibility is on the line. I think he's still

638
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: you still take that seriously, you know, and you don't

639
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 5: sit there and try and feign in the direction of

640
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 5: your child and show, you know, favoritism, because at the

641
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 5: end of the day, there's a human performance sport. You're

642
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 5: gonna get found out, You're gonna get exposed in this game.

643
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 5: And if you lie on that, you know, you lose

644
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 5: your credibility. And I think they also had somebody else

645
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 5: do his son's report. He was report right, right, you know,

646
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 5: let's also put that out there for the listeners that

647
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: they know that Mark Brunner did not write his own

648
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 5: son's report.

649
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: But this is getting more and more prevalent.

650
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: As I said, I get older, I'm starting like Colonel

651
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: Son is in the league and yeah, and I'm sing,

652
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: all right, son is Notre Dame.

653
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: We're you know, Plea has a son that plex.

654
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 5: His son just got there, Jerome's son just got there.

655
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 5: Ike sons down in Alabama. I mean, you know, so

656
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 5: we're in the league about to be a pick and yeah, exactly, So,

657
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 5: I mean this is the era we get in. You

658
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 5: know that now the second generation or even third generation

659
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Speaker 5: for a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of guys are playing this.

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Speaker 5: Heck, I was I was a son of a former player, right,

662
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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, so, did you get treated

663
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 5: differently because of that?

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Speaker 2: You know what, Archie's grandson is going to be in

665
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: the league, exactly exactly.

666
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Speaker 5: But no, I didn't get any prefer In fact, I

667
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 5: was looked at harder, especially by Cincinnati, you know, because

668
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: they were like, yeah, you think you're gonna get this

669
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 5: because no, I don't know. I don't even though Ozzie

670
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: Newsoen did treat me a little weird because of that.

671
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: But you got to play against the Ravens, yeah, exactly.

672
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 5: I was like, well, he got this one wrong, or

673
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 5: maybe we proved you're right. You're like, hey, you know

674
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 5: this guy was good, but we don't like you. Okay,

675
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: that's cool. I'm fine with you not liking me.

676
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Speaker 3: But like along those lines, the Colts just fired their

677
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: defensive coordinators. Here, I almost certain their defensive coordinators in

678
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: their head coach's wedding. They're like best friends, but like,

679
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Speaker 3: you got it right.

680
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Bruce Matthews and Jeff Fisher, right, you know, say.

681
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 5: They were roommates in college and now this dude's your coach,

682
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 5: it's your buddy. Like could you imagine, you know, imagine

683
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 5: Jeff trying to tell Bruce something and they're like they

684
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Speaker 5: go back to college days, like you remember the dorm.

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Speaker 1: You know, Denzel Martin had that with the linebacker last year,

686
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: and I'm freezing out.

687
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Speaker 3: I mean, we know Connor Hayward is going to make

688
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: this team next year. I don't think we know that,

689
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: do we see? Definitely one of the best fifty three.

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Speaker 3: They might have to have a tough conversation with older

691
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Speaker 3: brother at some point. Yeah, saw that with Derek and TJ. So,

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Speaker 3: I mean it happened the Edmunds brothers, right right, they've

693
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: already had.

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Speaker 1: This is when people say, oh, they just drafted him

695
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: because you know his brother's on the team.

696
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: They did TJ a favor, they did Cam a favor.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, these guys earn their opportunities and like

698
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 5: you said, you know you you got to you gotta

699
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: make your way. And if you think you're keeping a

700
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 5: guy on a fifty three active roster to keep the

701
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Speaker 5: yeah yeah you're you're You're solely a mistake.

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Speaker 1: It's nice for the brother, it's nice that to her

703
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: big brothers got to play together. Yeah it is, Yeah,

704
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Speaker 1: but one had nothing to do with the other. They liked,

705
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: they liked both of those guys. And therefore they signed

706
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Speaker 1: Nate in free agency and drafted Nick the same year.

707
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Speaker 1: It just so happened to work out that way. It's

708
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Speaker 1: a blessing that, but it doesn't always happen that way.

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Speaker 5: And I remember even going back now, like Stacey Andrews,

710
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Speaker 5: who was Sean Andrews brother.

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Speaker 2: You know, he got drafted by the Bengals.

712
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 5: He played for the Bengals and then became a free agent,

713
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Speaker 5: and then the Eagles went and picked him up.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like it sometimes it just

715
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Speaker 2: happens that way.

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Speaker 5: Now, they also came in the draft together, so they

717
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: weren't going to take two back to back. But but

718
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: that that, you know, we see that all across the league,

719
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Speaker 5: and there's something to be said, like especially competitively, Like

720
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: if a got you think you guys are already good, put

721
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 5: him on the same field with his brother. Now it's

722
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Speaker 5: even better because you've got sibling rivalry. Yeah, the competition

723
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 5: that they played opposite size of the ball even better,

724
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Speaker 5: you know.

725
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Speaker 1: But you see it all the time with Cam and

726
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: when Cam and Connor have to do something against each

727
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: other and it's and there's just a little extra there.

728
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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, there's a little brother trying to prove big

729
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 5: brother wrong, you know, try trying to best him by one.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

731
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Speaker 2: Do you think that Connor Hayward is stopping in the.

732
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Speaker 5: Hole when he's in the h back and you've got

733
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Speaker 5: to lead io in your brother's coming.

734
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Speaker 1: No, I'm I'm is cam stopping in that situation from

735
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: running little brother over exactly.

736
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Speaker 5: Like they want to prove themselves and it adds an

737
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 5: extra layer of of intensity. But yeah, a fun competition

738
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 5: and teasing that goes on because you need a little

739
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: bit of that on every team, right, you gotta have

740
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: gotta have those moments.

741
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Speaker 2: It does. It creates a better harmony and ecosystem in

742
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: your locker room.

743
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Speaker 3: Where you get into trouble though, is getting Randall Cobb

744
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: to make Aaron Rodgers happy, even when Randall Cobb shouldn't

745
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: be in the league anymore, you.

746
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: Know, like exactly, that's like, yeah, we're chasing that. That's

747
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: a little bit different. Yeah.

748
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: But Carson Brunner, a late round prospect at linebacker, also

749
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: long snaps.

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Speaker 2: So keep that usual skill set very useful.

751
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: Mom gave him told him that he had you need

752
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: to learn how to long snap, not dad, Mom.

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00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mom, And listen, listen, gets that from mom. That's

754
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 5: the reason why we know that questionable upbringing. Yeah, questionable upbringing.

755
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: I wanted him to play one, Mom said play two.

756
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though, if if Carson Brunner is

757
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: anything like Mark Bruner, he has to be a tremendous

758
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: young man because Mark Bruner's the nicest guys, one of

759
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: the the again high character guys that you will find anywhere.

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Speaker 3: How great would be if Carson ends up in Latrobe

761
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Speaker 3: in a couple of months. I mean, even as it undrafted,

762
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Speaker 3: if he's undrafted free agent, sure he absolutely will be

763
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Speaker 3: there he goes undrafted.

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Speaker 5: Now that's where it's like, hey, hey, listen, listen, you

765
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Speaker 5: just putting nepotism aside. But you know they this is

766
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 5: a this is a great opportunity because, like you said,

767
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Speaker 5: if you could bring a guy in and let's face it,

768
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 5: linebackers are pretty steady position.

769
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Speaker 2: But obviously, you know we talked about teams.

770
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Speaker 5: On special teams, you always need bodies and the more

771
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Speaker 5: you know, as Mike Towmains says, the more that you

772
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Speaker 5: can do. And if he brings a long snapping aspect

773
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Speaker 5: in there, let's face it, we've seen it also when

774
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 5: we when we even though you had a long snapper,

775
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 5: guys get injured. Everybody should remember the James Harrison emergency

776
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 5: longest can forget it. Yeah, it costs the league about

777
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 5: forty thousand dollars because he broke the camera that was

778
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: that was over there in the end zone on the goalpost.

779
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Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get through another break.

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Speaker 1: His match Starks, Matt Williamson here as well, and I

781
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: am Dale Lolly. We are live here at the NFL

782
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Scouting Combine here at the players. We'll get onto the

783
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: field around three o'clock to start working out again and

784
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: that will be defensive backs tonight. But we're gonna take

785
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: a break here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.

786
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly here with the Max Starts and Matt Williamson.

789
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Speaker 1: We are at the scouting Combine here in Indianapolis at

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Convention Center, just across the street from Lucas

791
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: Soil Stadium where all the on field workouts took place

792
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: last night. And we saw the defensive lineman workout last night.

793
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: The three cone drill for the defensive Lineman important, not important.

794
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: I think it's super important for the edge guys.

795
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because you want to see how

796
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 5: a guy bends around that edge because you're talking about

797
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 5: really and it's the first right corner turn that they

798
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 5: have to make that's cutting the corner off big time.

799
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 5: As far as you get to that that mesh point

800
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: with the offensive tackle and the edge guy and how

801
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 5: they bend into that. You know, one of the guys

802
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 5: notorious for that and you can watch his gameplay, James Harrison.

803
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was thinking, like Freeenie Harrison, low guys, the.

804
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 5: Low guys, and how you get Elvis Dumerville, right, you

805
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like those guys, how do you

806
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 5: get north to south?

807
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: Because essentially what you want to.

808
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: Be able to create so low, I mean a six

809
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: eight guy like you trying to get down August, you know.

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00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 5: Or I'll even throw in a guy DeMarcus Square was

811
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 5: really good at that. Like I mean, you know, when

812
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 5: you talk about a guy once again from small school

813
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 5: like Troy, you know he doesn't he's not playing in

814
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 5: the SEC or the big ten, so you don't see

815
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 5: his tape. So to come out here and do that

816
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 5: in this drill that turns a lot of eyes. So

817
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 5: the three comb is really important for the edge guys

818
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 5: or four to three defensive end types.

819
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: History shows I'm in good three cone grit drill or

820
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: drill times edge and tight ends is pretty indictive. Yeah.

821
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: Now the the twenty yards shuttle, Yeah, is that? Is

822
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: that more what you're looking for with the lineman? Yeah?

823
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: The defensive tackle, yeah, guys, de tackle guys.

824
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 5: Interior defensive lineman also shows if you're an in that

825
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 5: can bump down to a three technique in a sub

826
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: right because you know you're gonna bring your outside linebackers in. Yeah,

827
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 5: that drill is really important because there's a lot more

828
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: schebatics and blitzing involved in that. So how well does

829
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 5: that guy move on a twist stunt right, you know?

830
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 5: And how does he get out into coverage because you

831
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 5: know there's a lot more mixed coverages. Now, Well, they'll

832
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 5: ask guys to spot drop from the interior position so

833
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 5: they can bring corner fire right, you know, and they

834
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 5: drop into that curl flat zone. So those things do

835
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 5: matter when you're talking about.

836
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: Five five as many guys of the defense, interior defensive lineman,

837
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: who did that drill.

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00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they were.

839
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Only a bottom are very good at it looks about

840
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: eight of eight or so of them.

841
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: And we had what like thirty here. Yeah.

842
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're late at night again too, because I know,

843
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: like a couple of years ago when they were really

844
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: late at night, no one did the three as you know,

845
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: and did the shot I put.

846
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 2: I did, like I don't also do this.

847
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 5: And I think because the forties first, that's why, because

848
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 5: you're tired, I say back to me back in my day,

849
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: you know, I get to use that phrase now, all right,

850
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 5: well you know, yeah exactly, but you know you did

851
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 5: all that stuff first and then got to the forty.

852
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why you had a lot more participation.

853
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: But now that the forty is such a premier thing

854
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 5: and right it's made for TV, but guys don't want

855
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 5: to do it.

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00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: For me, the fact that some of these guys did

857
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: do it and did well on it is a check

858
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: mark in their favor. Like you ran, you ran a

859
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: couple of forties, You did all the shuttles, you did

860
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: your jumps, all that stuff.

861
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: And Tirian Ingram Dawkins he.

862
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: Should get shelter because he's one of the lighter defensive

863
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: tackles there four three four in that twenty yard shuttle

864
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: h talka Hemingway from South Carolina four four eight ty Robinson.

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Speaker 2: The defensive end for or tackle from uh uh Nebraska

866
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: is four or five. Oh, but everybody who did it

867
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: was under five seconds, and Landon Jackson was another one

868
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: that had a really impressive one. I thought, yeah, he's

869
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: listed with the ends. Yeah, he's listened with the ends.

870
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, he's a guy you could probably put twenty

871
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: pounds on and see what he can do, maybe as

872
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: a sub d tackle if you're thinking about, hey, we

873
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 5: want to get into sub package four down stuff, can

874
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 5: I bump you down to three?

875
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought his numbers were really really good. His

876
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: broad jump I thought was good too.

877
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's why I think some of these guys

878
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: don't necessarily do that. Donovan has a ECO from Boston College.

879
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: He's three coundrel six ninety four.

880
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: To see that is ridiculous numbers. He's six five.

881
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like that's a big dude getting low and that

882
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 5: means great choppy footwork. So that means he doesn't get

883
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 5: crossed up and tizone shoelaces together.

884
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you see some of those numbers and you're like, oh,

885
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: that stands out. That's yeah, those outliers.

886
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: I love to focus on that top ten percent, the

887
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: bottom ten percent.

888
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 2: I mean I was jumping right into those. Yeah.

889
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to see some of those numbers. In

890
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: terms of the verticals there. Atlanta Jackson was forty.

891
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: And a half. That's explosion. Shamar Stewart forty. Yeah.

892
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: Like we started a segment talking about Pierce. His is terrible.

893
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: He had a thirty inch vertical. I mean, like I

894
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: don't higher trackles, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, most

895
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: of the the tackles are better than him. I mean

896
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: everything else you did was wonderful, but no one seems

897
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 3: to be talking about this terrible vertical.

898
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: He's just more to me a smooth athlete, yeah, as

899
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: opposed to but.

900
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: His ten yards explosive. I see. I see enough with that,

901
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: like the explosives with it, with the jumping stuff. How

902
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: important that is? Necessarily?

903
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: Is that what you focused on when he when he

904
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: was when he was training. That is because because he

905
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 5: did none of it. It's a training thing as well,

906
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 5: because you get on the vertemax. I don't know if

907
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: you guys have heard of the Vertemax trainer, whereas this

908
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 5: flat board you have bungee cords and you attach him

909
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 5: to a waist belt and you work and you work

910
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 5: jumping explosiveness. But I have to say his his forward explosiveness,

911
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 5: which matters in football. The whole heck of a lot

912
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: that was still on displace.

913
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: He puts a move on somebody and then goes, he goes,

914
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: and he's yeah, and he runs by him.

915
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I Betty worked on his forties. Yeah, I.

916
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: Worked on his forty and worked on things that were

917
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 5: exploding out. I don't think he necessarily worked on it up.

918
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 5: I think it was shocking much yet low Yeah, because

919
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: he's not that heavy. Yeah, I would have thought. I

920
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 5: would have thought thirty four maybe was, and that would

921
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: have been bad. Right, that had been bad, you know

922
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. But still, yeah, No, that that is,

923
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 5: that is a little bit concerning me.

924
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: It's slap. That was my pro day. I do that

925
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: one again. Oh absolutely, I am second the market. I

926
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 2: would be done with forty. I'm good there.

927
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, I'm not doing forty. I'm not doing

928
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 5: broad I'm not doing uh. His I think his cone

929
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 5: as three cone was still decent.

930
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was on the Vertex for the next Yeah,

931
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks on the Vertemax, and then

932
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: work on your work, on your drill work.

933
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: Stand on.

934
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 5: You're probably still dunk. Yeah, I think he can. Yeah,

935
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 5: now a running dunk. I don't know about standing dunk.

936
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

937
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we're not all six eight Yeah, exactly, exactly.

938
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 5: Don't need thirty inch vertical of my height? Is is

939
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 5: pretty pretty more than enough?

940
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, more than guys, let's say on to do it

941
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: for our number one here of our live coverage here

942
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Speaker 1: today from the NFL Scouting Combine here as we wrap things.

943
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Speaker 2: Up for the week.

944
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: But it sound nice to say that, but Max, Matt

945
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Speaker 1: and I will be back with our number two of

946
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: our live ongoing coverage here from the NFL Scouting Combine

947
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this. Don't you go anywhere