1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: What is up Straight Fire. It's me Jason McIntyre here 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: on Straight Fire. August seventh, Thursday. The year is twenty 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: twenty five. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a little excited. Guys. 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: It's a big, big week. Got my boy Ryan Glaspiegel 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: on the pod today. He here's our quick backstory. He 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: was freelancing at Sports Illustrated back in like two thousand 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: and six. I was looking to hire somebody who was 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: a go getter, just aggressive, relentless, and he, you know, 10 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 2: he starts emailing me. He says he's interested. He ends 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: up coming over and as a machine. He just tireless worker, 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: one of these guys who just grinds and grinds. Got 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: a couple of big spook goops. We've been friends for 14 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: a long time and Rob G had the good idea. 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: He was like, listen, this NFL, E ESPN things kind 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: of big. Should we bring on glass Peagle. I was like, yeah, 17 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: so we brought on Glass Pegel. He's bounced around New 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: York Post. He was at out Kick with Klay Travis 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: and now he's at Front Office Sports kind of crushing it. 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, we talk about NFL, WNBA. It's a lot 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: interesting media talk if you guys, excuse me, are into that. 22 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 2: Quick side note. So I think I've been talking about 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: that Mecca League where they pay fifty K to the winner. 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 2: So we made the playoffs. We're only five and four, 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: but it's tough because I'll just say this. So, I've 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: been in basketball leagues out here in LA since like 27 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: twenty two, and we usually dominate. Right, I'm used to 28 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: getting good players. I was like, the GM or what 29 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: have you, and then making sure that they're not only 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: good like team players, but they actually freaking show up 31 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: for games, okay, and it hasn't been problem. And then 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: we get to this team in this Mecca League and 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: it's like seven levels above what I'm used to. I mean, 34 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: I would say half the league has played internationally or 35 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: Division one or Division two or high level JUCO. I 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: mean like maybe more than half the league. Man, it's 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: crazy anyways, So pretty early on, I was like, all right, 38 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: we're gonna need to find some more guys. So I started, 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: you know, hitting the transfer portal hard, and I start 40 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: finding these guys. You know, I have a big network, 41 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: and fortunately I'm going to position it with work where 42 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: I can kind of reach out to people. They're like, oh, 43 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: the guy from Fox. So I'm able to get guys. 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,279 Speaker 2: But what I'm finding is these guys who have played basketball, 45 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: you know, at high levels and have been professionals, they 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: don't often want to just slum it in a league 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: on a weekend. But my thought is, I just got 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: to get them in the door. Let me get them 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: on the team. They'll see how much fun it is. 50 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: We're good, we're cool guys, and they're gonna want to 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: play and then help us in the playoffs and we'll 52 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: go win the fifth k Man. I will say, I'm 53 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: not gonna name the guys here, but two guys who 54 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: live in Los Angeles here who I've never actually, I'm sorry. 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: One of them I did run into at the gym. 56 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: The other I've never met. I just heard him. You 57 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: got to hit up this guy. He's amazing. One guy 58 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: is playing in Russia and he was like the Dunk 59 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: Contest champion and he's like one of the leading scores 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: in the league. He's like, you know, twenty eight. Now, 61 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: he's not huge, but he's just an unbelievable athletic guard 62 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: who's just ridiculous. It's some dunks that he posts on 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: his ig. You're just like, holy s Nikes and this 64 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: guy tells me to They say, yeah, yeah, I'm interested. Sure, yeah, 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: I give you a couple of weeks and he says 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: he'll be there for the game. I'm like, all right, great, 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: we got him. He showed up. And then it's just 68 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: no shows, no no text, no heads up, and I'm like, 69 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: are you what? Who does that? Where I'm from, If you, 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: you know, if you commit to something, say you're gonna 71 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: be there, you at least say, oh, man, sorry. So 72 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: then the next time he tells us the day before, 73 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: oh something came up. Turns out he posts on his 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: IG that he got invited to a Drew League game 75 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: and played. The Drew League is a little more prestigious 76 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: than Mecca has been around longer whatever, but there's no 77 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: fifty K on the line, dude. So then he plays 78 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: pick up ball invite only run with a couple guys 79 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: on our team and they were like, listen, man, he's 80 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: a scoring machine, but I don't think he's going to 81 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: be a good fit. He's jacking every time he gets 82 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: the ball, and you know that's not how you would 83 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: in this league. The other guy really hurt because he 84 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: was the IVY League Player of the Year. I'm not 85 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: going to say what year. Super talented player still plays professionally. 86 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: He's in his early thirties. Has told us twice, oh 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: I'm in and literally no show both times. I cannot 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: personally deal with that. So I had been following them 89 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: on ig We communicated, they followed me. I had to 90 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: unfollow them just for not showing up. And I know 91 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: that sounds petty and losory, like I'm not asking you 92 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: for the world. If you say you're going to show 93 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: up with to play, then show up. But it's always disappointing. Anyways, 94 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: We've got the playoffs this weekend. We're rematch with a 95 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: team that basically like half their team won the championship 96 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: last year. They're good. We led them for like three 97 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: quarters in our second game of the season and then 98 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: we ran out of bench players and just fatigue caught 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: up with us. We will have our bench, We got everybody. 100 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: I am so excited about this game. I don't think 101 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: I will play personally. Maybe a for up ten with 102 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: like thirty seconds. I mean again, one of their guards 103 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: was the MVP of the league last year. You know 104 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: he was in that TBT tournament. I mean yeah, averaging 105 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: like twenty two points a game. You know, these guys 106 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: are all nice, they something not all some of them 107 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: recognize me and they'll be like, oh yeah, seeing you 108 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: on that show. Now, they might be bullshitting just to 109 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: say that, but man, I'm so fired up. So anyways, 110 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: playoffs this well, obviously, getting we were in the there's 111 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: two divisions. We're in the tougher division. Somehow we had 112 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 2: the two Three of the four best overall teams in 113 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: the league are in our so we have a brutal 114 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: path to the championship. But if all our guys show, 115 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: I think we win this weekend and we'll I don't 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: even know who will play next, but it's gonna be 117 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: exciting Monday. I will have a recap obviously, because I 118 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: know you care deeply. Anyway, without further ado, let's get 119 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: to today's guest, Ryan Glassbiegel of Front Office Sports. 120 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows 121 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 122 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want. 123 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. 124 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a 125 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: guy who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome into 126 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: straight fire. A guy I've known for I don't know, 127 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: ten fifteen years. Maybe he is a media guru. Cond 128 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: we call him that sports media. He's covering sports media dominating. 129 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: He's at Front Office Sports, and he's here to talk 130 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: a little NFL after this big seismic NFL network ESPN merger? 131 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: Is that what we're calling it? Ryan Glassy goal Glass, 132 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: How you doing, man, I'm good. 133 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: We've known each other for almost thirteen years. At the 134 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: end of this year, it'll be thirteen years. 135 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: Somebody has a better memory than me, but I have. 136 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: I have age on him and my kids. 137 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: I just know when we met and then I did 138 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: the Mass So it's not like I just been thinking, Okay, 139 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: I've known j Mass for the most thirteen years. At 140 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: the top of my consciousness, I just know we met 141 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: at the end of twenty thirteen. 142 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: Now you've been if you were at the New York 143 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: Post covering media, now front office sports, you guys have 144 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: a pretty robust team. It's essentially, you know, there was 145 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: an era where bloggers were all over sports media, but 146 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: now it's kind of shifted back toward the legacy media. 147 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: I guess you guys realized, Oh, there's a lot of 148 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: clicks in this stuff. I'm curious, how has the clicks been? 149 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: How have the clicks been for this ESPN NFL merger? 150 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: Do fans seem to care? 151 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: You know what's funny is I actually don't know my 152 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: clicks for the first time in my career. They tell 153 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: us like the top ten stories of the month, and 154 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: I've done pretty well in that regard since I joined 155 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: Front Office Sports in January, But for like individual stories 156 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: like I have no idea how well the NFL media 157 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: esc and stuff is clicking. But I do know that, 158 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: like a lot of people are hitting me up by 159 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: tests or whatever, what does this mean? And there's lots 160 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: of questions about it. So I think it's getting like 161 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: a big reaction in terms of how many people are 162 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: wondering what this means for them. 163 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: So I guess my thing is, before we get to 164 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: NFL ESPN, you said something interesting. They don't tell you 165 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: your clicks, I don't write. Is that smart business? 166 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: I mean, well, you know, front office has so many 167 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: like you know, when we were at the big lead, 168 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: our whole thing was you've got to get this many quicks, 169 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: and that's what our business was. But Front office has 170 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: enormous followings on every social platform. We've got live of them. 171 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: We have several different news letters where the main one 172 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: goes to almost a million describers every day. So web 173 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: traffic is just like you know, it's important and we 174 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 3: want to make sure that our website matters. But it's 175 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: not a d all and all, if that makes sense. 176 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, okay, I asked that because we know NFL 177 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: is in American sports number one for clicks. I guess 178 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: you could argue, like you know, Caitlin Clark is up 179 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: there in certain individual staff Lebron blah blah blah, NFL 180 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: is dominant. But I don't know if this merger does much. 181 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: I know mostly people are nervous about red zone, right. 182 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so first of all, the idea that the ESPN 183 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: is going to like kick out got Hanson and put 184 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 3: Stephen a in charge of a red zone. You know, 185 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: it seems like a lot of memes along that line. 186 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: That's not gonna happen. Hanson signed a new multi year 187 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: deal with NFL. NFL Media is continuing to produce this show. 188 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: ESPN is licensing it for linear and like licensing the branding, 189 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: so that's put a pin in the licensing and the brandings. 190 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: It means that there could be like a college football 191 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: red zone channel called red Zone on ESPN in the 192 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: coming years. But as far as like a ruining red zone, 193 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: that's not going to happen. But if your definition of 194 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 3: ruining it is that ads are going to continue to 195 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: creep in more and more and more. You know, we 196 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: had seven hours of commercial free football and now it's 197 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: going to be seven hours of mostly commercial free football, 198 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: and eventually they're going to creep in and creep in 199 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 3: and creep in. But as far as changing the underlying content, 200 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: I think, for as far as the eye can see, 201 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 3: it's going to be what we've loved. 202 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea of no commercials, red zone top priority 203 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: for every football fan, a gambling survi fantasy, you need it, 204 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden going commercials. It kind of 205 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: feel it harkens back a little too, maybe Napster, where 206 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: music was free for a while and then they started 207 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: suing people and you were like, oh no, now you've 208 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: got to subscribe and do with ads. I don't personally 209 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: even subscribe to Spotify just because I don't want ads. 210 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: I just I'll I'll go Amazon Music. I don't know 211 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: if anybody does that, but I'm on Amazon Music no ads. 212 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do that with YouTube. But same 213 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: kind of concept because the YouTube paying for no ads 214 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: to across all videos and music. I found it be 215 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: a great value at sixteen dollars a month. But like 216 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: back to the nature at hand, it's just like the 217 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 3: biggest deal in the world. No, I don't think that 218 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 3: like the average person is necessarily going to see any changes. Basically, 219 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: the bones of the transaction is that ESPN is purchasing 220 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: the NFL network. They get the linear distribution rights for 221 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: red Zone. Now, if you play Santas on NFL dot Com, 222 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: you might notice changes to ESPN acquired that asset and 223 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 3: it's going to be integrating it, and so I imagine 224 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: eventually you're going to have if you play on NFL Fantasy, 225 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 3: it's going to be the ESPN formatting eventually. But that's 226 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: at least a year or two away. And that's another 227 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: thing that people have to remember is this deal still 228 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: has to cross Donald Trump's desk, and I mean he 229 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: didn't let skidm CBS paramount go through easily. So we'll 230 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 3: see if there's like a pound of flesh or whatever 231 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: that he commands to bless this deal. 232 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand that. Why does he have to 233 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: get involved in this crap. 234 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: Because it goes through the Anti Trust Department? Do you 235 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: remember like five years ago when Disney and ESPN but 236 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: all of those assets from Fox, the Justice Department did 237 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 3: not let ESPN acquire the Fox Sports Region Sports Networks 238 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 3: so they said that this violates monopoly concerns, and those 239 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 3: rsns kind of just got cast off the ce and 240 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 3: they're really just recovering now. 241 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: So I mean, is there a world where all of 242 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: a sudden the Department of Justice says, yeah, this is 243 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: a monopoly. I don't I don't see how I think. 244 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: Well, well it is. I don't know there is a 245 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 3: world where it happens, because they've done that before. I mean, 246 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: it's structurally, isn't that much different than the idea of 247 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: ESPN blombing onto the rsns, ESPN clombing on the NFL network, 248 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: So it is kind of similar. 249 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: But well, aren't there the rsns are independent. The NFL 250 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: televises on Fox, CBS, Amazon, I think Netflix, like they're 251 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: they're spreading the wealth everywhere, right, Yeah. 252 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: But I mean baseball broadcasts on ESPN off TBS, Roku, Apple. 253 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't on Roku and Apple at the time, 254 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: but I mean it's the same. It's the same type 255 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: of idea with as like this dominant sports TV player 256 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: getting bigger and what does that mean for competition and 257 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: so on? Now you're right, and like there is a 258 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: lot of competition now these big streamers have entered the marketplace, 259 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: and I don't think ESPN is this mighty warship that 260 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: it was when you and I started covering sports media. 261 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: They've had the more pick and cheese their battles now. 262 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: But the factory means that if like Donald Trump, for 263 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: whatever reasons, wants to hold this up, you can. And 264 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: it's just kind of like the way of the world 265 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: with how murders and acquisitions go, is the presidential administration 266 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: can bless them or curse them. 267 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: It seems like a no brainer. You don't want to 268 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: piss off the football fan base, the number one sport 269 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: in America, But you're right, there's a world where wealth. 270 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: Fan doesn't care if ESPN owns NFL networks. Now, it's 271 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: not like NFL Network and red zat are going to 272 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: go away if Trump blocks it. 273 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that you know they have in their 274 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: back pocket a card to play should he block it 275 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: or attempt to. 276 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 4: Say. 277 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to block it, but I 278 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: think that they're probably going to have to make concession 279 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: somewhere along the way. Well, if i'd guessed, I mean, 280 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: that's the thing. This thing is probably going to close. 281 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: If i'd have bet on it right now, I would 282 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: bet that it will. But I wouldn't bet my life 283 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: that it will. Yeah. 284 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: I thought we wanted less government, Ryan, I thought we 285 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: want to know, Now we got more the governments getting 286 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: involved in this crap. 287 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: We don't know. It's a it's a possibility, we don't 288 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: if it happened, Whether the government is going to get 289 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: involved in this or not, has not manifested yet. But 290 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: it takes head all right. 291 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: Now, I do want to ask, does this mean a 292 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: lot of people are gonna lose their job? Is the 293 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: ESPN people who I don't know cover the NFL closely. 294 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: If all of a sudden, the league owns ten percent 295 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: of ESPN and someone's doing a deep penetrating dive into 296 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, some Roger Goodell's find whatever it is. Kenny, Yeah, 297 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: I would say, hey, Dan. 298 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: Patrick made the point today that ship has sailed in 299 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: the sense that, like, you know, this isn't the ESPN 300 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: where they were interrogating Roger Goodell over concussions and Ray 301 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: Rice and Colin Kaepernick. As you remember when I used 302 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: to work for you, those were all very big stories. 303 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: You remember ESPN pulled out of a PDS Frontline documentary, 304 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: so that there's been already this question of like conflict 305 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: of interest between the ESPN and the leagues that it 306 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: broadcasts for like a very long time. And I don't 307 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: you know, if you want to do investigative journalism, I 308 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: don't know if ESPN is the right place for you 309 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: right now. Like maybe you should go to the New 310 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: York Times, Athletic Washington Posts at Landed. It's not like 311 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 3: there's any shortage of outlets that can be critical of 312 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 3: the NFL. But I don't think you're going to see 313 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: the type of aggressive coming after the commissioner that we 314 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: used to see. And by the way, you know you 315 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: ask can people lose their jobs? Do you remember in 316 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: the year like twenty fifteen when ESPN was starting to 317 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: cut back, and three of the first people who got 318 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: cut or not renewed at that time were Bill Simmons, 319 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: Keith Oberman, and Jason Whitlock, and all of them had 320 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: been especially critical of Roger Goodell and called for his job. So, 321 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you want to be speaking 322 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: real truth to power, ESPN's probably not the right employer. 323 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty. 324 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: Five, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup 325 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox 326 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search 327 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: fs R to listen live. 328 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know, you you've done stuff to 329 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: piss people off. I've done some stuff in my past 330 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: writing wise that people didn't like. But the idea of 331 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: burying a story it almost feels movie ish, does it? 332 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: Not like it's it's something you'd see in a movie 333 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: as opposed to in real life. 334 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that they there are lots of 335 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: stories they buried that we don't necessarily know about over 336 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: the years. I don't know, it would be very interesting 337 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: to be It's not like I've ever worked at ESPN 338 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 3: and had been in the meetings where something gets chilled. 339 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: But I've you know, we talked to people who have 340 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: had that happen to them, haven't you? 341 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. It is interesting. Here's my thing. Does 342 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: the dude does the you you know fans and you 343 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: used to at the New York Posts see what people 344 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: click on? Do you think the fans care about It's 345 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: like Pablo Tori did this big podcast about something going 346 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: on in the NFL and I got to plead ignorance. 347 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: It's a summer. I haven't listened to it. I haven't really. 348 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: It was like it's very deep in the weeds union 349 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: stuff that Pablo and Mike Florio are collaborating on. And 350 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 3: the answer your question, no, I don't think the average 351 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: fan cares. I mean, you know, they're we're always kind 352 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: of told by the sports media that we have to 353 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 3: take up solidarity with players against like the ultra rich owners. 354 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: But you know, these these NFL players, even on the fringe, 355 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 3: are making a million dollars a year at this point. 356 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: I get it they have short careers, but if they 357 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 3: if they have a three year career, think about how 358 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: long that takes the average Joe X to accumulate that 359 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: much income and just the public is not very sensitive 360 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: about player labor issues. They're just it just doesn't rise 361 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: to the level of something they care about. 362 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like even and then shifting topics a little 363 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: bit like WNBA. You've got these players wearing T shirts 364 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: all Star weekend. They're lobbying for more money, but weirdly 365 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: the fans seem to be like, these women deserve more money, 366 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: and you know. 367 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: They do though they're you know, the w onlya that's 368 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: a different situation than even like rank and file bottom 369 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: of a barrow NFL or NBA player. I mean, the 370 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: WNBA max contract is two hundred and fifty grand. We 371 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: just had three expansion franchises go for two hundred and 372 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: fifty million. We're talking about the Connecticut Sun getting sold 373 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 3: for three hundred and twenty five million dollars. So, like 374 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: the player, there's clearly some belief that the economics of 375 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 3: the WNBA are going to be more attractive in the 376 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: future than they have been in the past, and the 377 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: players do deserve some type of peace. But I don't 378 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: think even even with like yeah, the w the core 379 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: w NBA fan, though Jason is really rooted in advocacy, 380 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: that has been a big part of the identity of 381 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: the league, Cree, Caitlin Clark especially, and so the people 382 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: who have been tuned in for the w n b 383 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: A for a long time. Those are the type of 384 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: people who are going to take up an athlete cause. 385 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: But as far as the NFL is concerned, the fans 386 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: just don't really care about it. 387 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: They don't care. Yeah, give me my stats, get me 388 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. I want to win my fantasy league. 389 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 2: I want to win my bets. But to go to 390 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: the w NBA, like those franchises have been hemorrhaging money 391 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: for years. They've been propped up by the NBA. 392 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: You know it just true. 393 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 3: But the thoughts that they're going, I go. 394 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: Ahead, Well, so the Kinetics Sun go for three hundred million. Again, 395 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: that's not what they're worth. Now, that's a theoretical value 396 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: based on if this trajectory, this massive rise keeps going. Yeah, 397 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: I would be willing to pay that. It's simply it's 398 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: like a shopping for a house, right, Is that house 399 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: worth five hundred thousand? No, But guess what, there's nothing 400 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: else in the market near it, and they can ask 401 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 2: for that because it's a desiraled the neighborhood. Isn't that 402 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: the situation? Like, I don't think the Connecticuts don't. 403 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 5: He's a pretty sophisticated buyers. I mean the owners that 404 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 5: came in in Detroit, Golden State, Philadelphia, Toronto. These of 405 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 5: the people that already own the NBA teams in that city. 406 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 5: Nobody knows the economics of these teams and the WNBA 407 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 5: more than those people do. And they start they see 408 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 5: these financial synergies where they can, you know, drum up 409 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 5: sponsorship sales. And the TV deal is not going to 410 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 5: increase so much right now, but there is like a 411 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 5: lot of money coming into the league that I think 412 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 5: the fact that the NBA propped it up for nearly 413 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 5: thirty years, I don't know why. That's like Caitlin Clark's problem. 414 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 5: You know, she's making like seventy five grand a year 415 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 5: for the Indiana Fever and there are like NBA mascots 416 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 5: that make significantly more than that. 417 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 2: Oh stop it. A mascot makes more than the thousand dollars. 418 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: Yes, there's ones make like mid six figures. 419 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: They are like attractions, Okay, But just to be clear, 420 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark with Gatorade and Wilson and all these she's 421 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: cleaning up on the basketball court. 422 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think about what she's driving for the 423 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: fever in that league and then what she's getting in 424 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 3: compensation in return. Now, are they owe more money? Like 425 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 3: they wrote on their shirts that they all start owed 426 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: is a strange word, but I think that they have 427 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 3: a case for it. And by the way, I've said 428 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 3: this in multiple places, but they could all just secede 429 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 3: from the league and start. 430 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 4: Their own thing if the w NBA and NBA played 431 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: too much hardball with them, Like there are deep pocketed 432 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 4: investors who can make it worth their while to just 433 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 4: start something up completely new. 434 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 3: They got that on I Will be off the ground 435 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: and got media distribution for it for three on three 436 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: in their off season. And you know, three on three basketball, 437 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: if you saw during the Olympics, isn't really that attractive 438 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: of a sport to watch. But it was just kind 439 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: of showing like, Hey, if you guys mess with us 440 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: too much, we have other options. 441 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: So I mean, I like that sounds great. Like you said, 442 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: this is a league built on advocacy of a fan 443 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: base that loves that stuff. The reality is sure you 444 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: could do a quick three on three thing and pump 445 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: it up for a little bit and you know, mess 446 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: with the lighting to make it not that big of 447 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: an issue if there weren't that many people there. But 448 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: I'm talking about long term, creating something sustainable that fans 449 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: want to keep coming to. I don't think it's anyway 450 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: Labrick Carter. 451 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: Have you have you read about this this like upstart 452 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: saying that Lebron and Maverick are kind of angling for 453 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 3: Have you read up on it? 454 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: Oh, I haven't first ever heard. 455 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: Really, so you should read into this. It happened when 456 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 3: you were on vacation. But they're putting like deep consideration 457 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: into basically starting an international basketball league with men's and 458 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: women's teams and like making it kind of like an 459 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 3: F one X exposition where you go to like the 460 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: fancy cities all over the world and it's like a 461 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: traveling circus. But the like, look, there's a good chance 462 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 3: for lebron Is playing in it. And they did this 463 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 3: like cryptic photo with Nicola Jokich's agent on a boat 464 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 3: in Europe like last week, and everyone's like, oh boy, 465 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: are they going to poach Yokis from the NBA for 466 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: this week? And so if they're doing if they got 467 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: like Keithwyn Clark and you know, eight other WNDA stars, 468 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: they could totally disrupt the WNBA. And they have the 469 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: financial backing to set these people up on very critic Yo. 470 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: I don't you know what this seems like almost like 471 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: the gambling gold Rush from like five six years ago, 472 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: where everybody's like, how do I get paid? And everybody 473 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 2: sees Kaitlin Clark WNBA undervalued and everybody's just pulling at them. Hey, 474 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: let's start this unrival league. Hey it's Lebron and Maverick Carter. 475 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna listen to Lebron and Maverick Carter. 476 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't love it. M yeah, I mean 477 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: there are some big stars. Paige Becker's juju once she 478 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: gets healthy. Like you've got a good foundation, but can 479 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: you keep it? 480 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 3: There's about eight to ten pretty bankable w NBA test. 481 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 3: It's the problem is you need like they can't just 482 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 3: they need other people on their level to play with. 483 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: You can't just take those eight people and like fill 484 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 3: them with like surround them with like a bunch of 485 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: like you know, replacement level or worse talent. But I'm 486 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 3: telling you like it wouldn't cost that much in the 487 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: grand scheme of things. For so want to buy off 488 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: the top eight to ten WNBA stars, and they like 489 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: until that there's a new collective bargaining agreement. I would 490 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: be concerned about that before like buying into the WNBA. 491 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: Right now, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 492 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 493 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search 494 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: FSR to listen live. 495 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 2: You know what is starting to remind me of and 496 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: I just thought of this as hearing you remember the 497 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine Women's World Cup, Brandy Chastain, you know, 498 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: rips off the jersey they win in PK remember that. 499 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: I think it was ninety yes, okay, yeah. So after that, 500 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: of course, it's like, oh my gosh, look at the ratings, 501 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: look at the interest. Holy smoked, we've got a league here. 502 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: And they started the women's League in the US and 503 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: they were building it largely around the great US players 504 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 2: who were on that team. I don't know if they 505 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: went maybe they went undefeated, but and had that work 506 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: out ry like they had like maybe ten women who 507 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: were had some name recognition, probab closure to five with 508 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: like a Hope Solos of the World or whatever, and 509 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: it just kind of struggle. It's it's easier said than done, 510 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: as is normally the case. 511 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: Telling you pay attention to these Lebron and Maverick maneuvers, 512 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 3: ask people about them. And because I don't know that 513 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 3: necessarily what they're doing is going to work, and they're 514 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 3: definitely going to do it, and if it's some like 515 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 3: type of three D chess game to try to leverage 516 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: the MDA into giving them a Vegas franchise when the 517 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 3: NBA has thus far been reluctant to do so. But 518 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: just like, I'm not saying what they're doing is going 519 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 3: to work or even get off the ground, but they 520 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 3: have a real chance to be disruptive with what they're trying. 521 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 3: So I would say, don't dismiss that notion as much 522 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 3: out of hand before you make some calls about it. 523 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I guess we could wrap up. You 524 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: were obviously a weirdo who lives in Chicago with roots 525 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: for the Packers. Do you want to try to explain that. 526 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad grew up in Milwaukee, I grew up 527 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: in Connecticut, but especially when FARV came along, We used 528 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: to go to Jim Calhoun's Coaches Sports Bar and grow 529 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: to watch the Packers almost every week. And then you know, 530 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 3: when I was in like seventh or eighth grade, my 531 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 3: parents got direct TV and Sunday Ticket, So I have 532 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: they passed that fan hood down to me. 533 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: Mmm. Okay. So we had a guy on yesterday, t 534 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: A who has been on the pod dating back to 535 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: my radio show Good Gambler. He likes the Packers as 536 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl team. He broke it down. Sounded pretty logical. 537 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: Were you on the Packers in the Super Bowl? Like 538 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: I mean, coming out of the Nfcok, the. 539 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: Eagles have to be the prohibited seed risks, but after 540 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 3: the I can see why to make a case for 541 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: the Packers. You know, the Packers played the Eagles pretty 542 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 3: tough twice last year. Week one when in Brazil, that 543 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: Peacos game where Jordan Love got clobbered at the end 544 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 3: and had to miss a couple of games because of 545 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 3: a knee injury. And then in the playoffs the Packers, 546 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: you know, in the third quarter, it was like, Okay, 547 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: the Packers could steal this game if everything goes right now. 548 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: They didn't, But there there is a case for them now, 549 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 3: Jordan Love has to have his mobility back. If you 550 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: look at his staff in his rookie year versus last year, 551 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: he was much more successful at picking up first downs 552 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: with his legs as a rookie. Now, it might have 553 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: been that he was just battling lingering injuries the whole 554 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 3: year last year, dating back to that aforementioned Week one hit, 555 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: But it's like, the thing is is that when he 556 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: stayed in the pocket, he's susceptible to some bad decisions, 557 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: and so you need the quarterback in the modern NFL 558 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: like the days of like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady 559 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 3: who never scrambled you. Brady could pick up quarterback sneaks, 560 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: but he wasn't like a threat to take off. But 561 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: now you look at Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar 562 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 3: Jackson and Jalen Hurst, and it's really hard to win 563 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 3: in this league if you don't have a quarterback who's 564 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: stealing first downs with his legs. Honestly, once a quarter. 565 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 2: Oh, Matt Stafford scoffs at that, and Jared Goff and 566 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: his how many games will That's the under on the 567 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 2: Lions this year because I'm already on it. 568 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,479 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, Jared goff scoffs at that, but like 569 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 3: what I know, he did win a Super Bowl, but or. 570 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 5: Get to know, he he went to one, he didn't 571 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 5: win one. 572 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's rare. Though it's rare now and I 573 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: think it's becoming it's increasingly difficult. 574 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I would agree. I'm just pulling your chain, buddy. 575 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: All right, Ryan glassbiego front off of sports all over 576 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: the media. So this is the lebron thing. I guess 577 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: I got to monitor that. Huh geez, read up on it. 578 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: I'm not declaring that it's going to be a problem yet, 579 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: but I think, like you know, of those old eighty movies, 580 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: when a threat is like on like the furthest level 581 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: of the radar and it's starting to beat, That's where 582 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: I am with that. 583 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay, good stuff, buddy, and good luck to your 584 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: packers this year, all 585 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: Right, Thanks, have a good one.