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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And here we are in a very chilly Pittsburgh today.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit cold and windy out there, a

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Speaker 2: little bit different than the temperatures in the desert in

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Speaker 2: Vegas last weekend. But Steelers come back with a thirty

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Speaker 2: two thirteen victory over the Raiders in Las Vegas on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive. You're on the Steelers Audio Network and

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Speaker 2: a lot of comment.

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Speaker 3: I had to actually put jeans on today. It's chili,

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Speaker 3: you know, right here, you and a jacket and a jacket.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, all bundled up. This will get me through

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Speaker 3: the winter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, usually Matt's and short shorts and a T shirt.

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Speaker 3: Of something used to be a T shirt. Now I

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Speaker 3: wear my fancy Steeler gear. Since we're on YouTube, there

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Speaker 3: you go give us a follow.

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Speaker 2: But the Steelers defense, I thought the defensive running game

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Speaker 2: yesterday where the two keys to victory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, special teams weren't too shabby either.

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Speaker 2: Special teams made a game changing play and typically when

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Speaker 2: you do those kind of things, well, you win the

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Speaker 2: game by nineteen points. Yeah, going away, and you know

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Speaker 2: the running game, I mean, Nauseie Harris was fourteen for

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Speaker 2: one oh six.

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Speaker 3: He was one of the best players in the field.

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Speaker 2: Breaking off chunk run after chunk run, and even when

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Speaker 2: they thought they had him tackled, he's still running through guys.

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Speaker 2: And that was from the beginning of the game. Like

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Speaker 2: the first two plays of the game were like ten

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Speaker 2: yard you know, plays by Najie Harris.

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Speaker 3: I thought he set the tone. Yeah, the physicality of

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Speaker 3: it all, and even his best run in the middle,

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Speaker 3: yeah right, exactly exactly high percent of his runs, almost

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Speaker 3: fifty percent were between the tackles, which is something we

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Speaker 3: were calling for the last you know, yes yesterday. Obviously

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Speaker 3: Fields contributes with his legs as well, but it was

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Speaker 3: mostly the Nausea show on the ground. And again he

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Speaker 3: kind of put the team on his back a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And we'll get too far ahead or too far along

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Speaker 3: here without mentioning I think the Raiders are really bad

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Speaker 3: and were very vulnerable. But a good team destroys a

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Speaker 3: bad team, and that's kind of what you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you look at it and

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Speaker 2: you know, the total yardage is very misleading. Two ninety

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Speaker 2: three to two seventy five. Yeah, it wasn't anywhere near that.

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Speaker 2: You know. The Steelers in the in the last couple

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Speaker 2: of drives were something like Cam Hayward's not out there,

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Speaker 2: TJ Wat's not out there. They were just there was

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Speaker 2: a pivotal fourth or third down, t J. Watson the sideline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like at the end.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So yards per play, first downs, cumulative stats too were

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Speaker 3: very equal, but they weren't equally.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't equal. So after the opening drive. I made

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Speaker 2: noted this in my five for Friday or my ten

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Speaker 2: thoughts after the game. The Steelers gave up seventy yards

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Speaker 2: on the opening drive, and everybody, of course on social

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Speaker 2: media is in a panic. All, oh, here we go again,

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Speaker 2: and the Steelers defenses things overrated, blah blah blah blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a good drive, I mean that was but

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Speaker 3: the only bad thing that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of misdirection and they got the Steelers and hey,

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Speaker 2: if they haven't shown that to you on tape, you know,

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Speaker 2: what are you going to do? That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: So I read your piece and I would to get

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Speaker 3: to that in one second. But I think there's two

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Speaker 3: ways to react to that. I mean, if it's Dallas

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Speaker 3: and they're moving the ball down the field all day,

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Speaker 3: that's a lot different than oh, they came out flat,

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Speaker 3: they weren't prepared, blah blah blah. Or you could say

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Speaker 3: they made an adjustment and figured out what they were

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Speaker 3: doing then shut the door on them. You know, there

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Speaker 3: is a half which happened.

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Speaker 2: It's exactly what happened, right, you know, the Raiders came

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Speaker 2: out and did some things they hadn't expected, which they

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Speaker 2: hadn't shown it yet. You know, it's a new quarterback

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Speaker 2: and they, you know, played to his strengths, and good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they get paid to.

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Speaker 2: The next six drives. They had fifty five yards and

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Speaker 2: the game was over, and the game was over by

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Speaker 3: And then all the artage afterwards really didn't matter totally inconsequential,

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Speaker 3: but right those next six drives were the story.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you know you forced not only did

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Speaker 2: you did you get them to punt or didn't give

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Speaker 2: up first downs? Even in those on those possessions they fumbled,

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Speaker 2: they turned it over on downs, they got a block punt.

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Speaker 2: I mean there were game changing plays that very much,

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Speaker 2: you know, they just didn't by the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and well a lot of them, you know, takeaways

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Speaker 3: and even without sacks, there were a ton of big

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Speaker 3: defensive and special teams plays. Again, the Raiders aren't very good,

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Speaker 3: but you made them look pretty bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you do. That's what you do. That's

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Speaker 2: what you're supposed to do to bad teams.

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Speaker 3: You know, like DJ Watt for example, didn't have a sack,

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Speaker 3: but was a dominant run defender and for you know,

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Speaker 3: forced fumbles and impacting games other ways. Yeah, Cam had

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Speaker 3: a sack, but was tremendous and old facets you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, Like they were really good in that game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they were. I saw a somebody put

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Speaker 2: he had a great game against t J. Watt gave

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Speaker 2: up no pressures. Now, first of all, it was not

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Speaker 2: a one on one matchup. It was ever never a

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Speaker 2: one on one matchup. Secondly, I don't know what's considered

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Speaker 2: a pressure because there were multiple times where Watt's rushing

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Speaker 2: the passer and O'Connell had to step up in the

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Speaker 2: pocket to get away from him. To me, that's pressure, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know. And thirdly, they're getting the ball out so quickly,

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Speaker 2: well short of the sticks. You can't tell me that

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Speaker 3: Be three guys in two point one seconds or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Or I did a podcast afterwards and I said, on

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Speaker 3: purpose ten times, all they have was Brock Bowers. All

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Speaker 3: they had was Brock Powers. They'd have any running game,

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Speaker 3: they have a quarterback, they didn't have other pass catchers,

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Speaker 3: and so they're throwing him bubble screens behind the line

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're hoping he breaks the tackle. And I right,

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Speaker 3: he's really good, have to catch, but that's asking a lot.

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Speaker 2: I talked to Dante Jackson after the game and we

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Speaker 2: talked about it last week on our Thursday show with

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Speaker 2: Rob So you got to tackle the catch in this game,

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Speaker 2: particularly with him. Yes, he's a two hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: in trouble. And he said that was one of the

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Speaker 2: talking points of the week last week, is they couldn't

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Speaker 2: let him catch and get his shoulder square and get

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Speaker 2: or running them over. And they did a great job

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Speaker 2: of that. He averaged seven point nine yards of catch.

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Speaker 2: He had nine catches, but for seventy one yards, and

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Speaker 2: that included then you take yard all day long. There

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Speaker 2: was an eighteen yarder down the field. You take that

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Speaker 2: one out of the equation. It was like five yards

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Speaker 2: of catch. You're not going to get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we told you. We did talk about this a

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Speaker 3: lot leading up. His average steps of target coming into

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Speaker 3: five to five something like that. Low because they throw

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Speaker 3: and because they don't have a whole lot else and

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Speaker 3: he is capable. I did a show earlier a little

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Speaker 3: air later. I guess I shouldn't tell you what I

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Speaker 3: did it earlier, but with Wolf and Rob on next segment,

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Speaker 3: just talking about one of the things that doesn't show

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Speaker 3: up always in the stats. But one team tackled really

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Speaker 3: really well and they other team didn't. Another team really

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Speaker 3: did turned down something. There was a.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen yard run that Nause had. I think every Raiders

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Speaker 3: How about the one they made the cornerback fall down

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Speaker 3: without Jones's fellow, I mean, like shake them out of

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Speaker 3: his shoes. You don't see that from Nause very often

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Speaker 3: run over that corner. Yeah, but you make a miss

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Speaker 3: and as he falls down with no contact, you know,

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Speaker 3: And you're right, he ran over the entire defense on

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Speaker 3: several But I know it's one you're talking about too.

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Speaker 2: I mean the Raiders average eight point four yards per reception. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to get to the quarterback in that situation.

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Speaker 3: You're just not.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's catch the ball in the shotgun. If

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Speaker 2: it's you know, under center, three steps and the balls out,

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Speaker 2: you're not getting to the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: It's just not.

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Speaker 2: And they were very cognizant of not allowing TJ Want

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Speaker 2: didn't on on was TJ Want the run defender wrecking

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Speaker 3: So we referenced for Football Focus a lot, and some

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Speaker 3: of it I can take or leave. Some of it's

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Speaker 3: very valuable, you know a little bit of both. And

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Speaker 3: I was just killing time in the lobby before we

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Speaker 3: went on the air and I looked at their grades

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Speaker 3: for the first time. What had a perfect run defense?

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Speaker 3: He had a ninety nine run defense grade. I don't

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Speaker 3: was earned, you know, he was You couldn't run to

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Speaker 2: If you really looked at that opening drive, a lot

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Speaker 2: of it was attacking the left side in the run game.

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Speaker 2: They didn't run at TJ in the and then they

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Speaker 2: hit him for one, you know, they kind of got

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Speaker 2: He was fantastic.

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Speaker 3: He was fantastic. And I want to give those other

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Speaker 3: outside linebackers some credit play well, like I would have

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Speaker 3: done the exact same thing. Am I gonna run a what?

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Speaker 3: Or Am I going to run at dudes that haven't

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Speaker 3: hardly ever been on the field. Of course, you're going

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Speaker 3: to run behind Colton Miller against dudes have never been

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Speaker 3: on the field. And all I wanted from those guys is,

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Speaker 3: don't stink they were better than that. They were fine.

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Speaker 3: They weren't the liability great. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 3: that I want to play the Ravens with those guys.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, but Derek, he you know, right, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: and on you know, I did talk to Alex high

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Speaker 2: Smith after the game and he is definitely coming back

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Speaker 2: this week. Oh great, So you know that's that was

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Speaker 2: the ramp up process last week. He'll be ready to go.

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Speaker 2: But really, I mean Madison had six carries for twenty

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Speaker 2: five yards on the opening drive. Okay, his next eight

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Speaker 2: carries he finished with fourteen. His next eight carries he

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Speaker 2: got eight yards. Sounds about right. Yeah, you know, the

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Speaker 2: quarterback rush through at nobody else. I mean, they averaged

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Speaker 2: they averaged three yards per carry in that game. And

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Speaker 2: that's what you got to do to a team like that,

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Speaker 2: just completely shut it down. I guess we should probably

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Speaker 3: And boy, the Raiders had a habit of hurting themselves

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like whoa.

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Speaker 2: And then he comes back and missus Pickens again, why again?

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Speaker 3: That's a terrible decision they got away with.

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Speaker 3: And that would have been a tremendous play. We would

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Speaker 3: But I don't think it was the right decision. No,

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Speaker 2: And I again, I know they're four and two, and

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Speaker 2: I think Mike Tomlin tomorrow goes to Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: And I would still use him in packages and I

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Speaker 2: It's an easy it's an easy sell because you just

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Speaker 2: We still like you, we still love justin, we still

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Speaker 2: get He doesn't make some of those plays leg with

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Speaker 2: But I also won him at the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 3: You need to see before it happens. And once again

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Speaker 3: three seconds. That's awful hard on a line and that's

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Speaker 3: his style of play. He did throw an interception that

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Speaker 3: He has thrown one interception all year. He also threw the.

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Speaker 2: Backwards pass the nausey hair or to Jayalen Moore, and

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Speaker 2: that's not a good because A it wasn't open right

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Speaker 2: That's like Russian roulette. Yeah, you know that's you're not

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Speaker 3: No, that's fumble luck.

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Speaker 2: The one he threw late to Pickens should have been

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Speaker 3: He should have been touchdown, right, But it's and we've

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Speaker 2: He throws touchdown passes.

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Speaker 3: Into the end zone, you know, and it's not easy

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it'll be a lot of un the I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to say it. Things that

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Speaker 3: In there procedural things and diagnose and things, and nowhere

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Speaker 2: And this isn't And I understand this isn't you know,

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Speaker 2: enough to do those things, the procedural things that you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't either, but I bet Wilson's that more accurate.

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Speaker 2: he did better at doing quarterback type things. Wilson. He

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Speaker 2: I'm not giving up on his Him as a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: all in. And if he's and he's gotten better you

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Speaker 2: next year. I get it, Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 2: But this is this is where we're at right now.

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Speaker 3: that in Zach Fraser's injury or the two big things

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Speaker 2: I don't think that one. It's not season ending or

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Speaker 3: But he's walking.

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Speaker 2: If it were something that we're season ending, he's probably

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Speaker 3: I would have rather lost any of the offensive linemen.

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Speaker 3: And it got to if that would have been season ending,

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Speaker 3: it could have been certain. But yeah, okay, well that's

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Speaker 2: Who yeah, right, you dodged a bullet and uh again

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Speaker 2: there you know this will be this weekend, the fifth

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Speaker 3: Hard to win that way, man.

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Speaker 2: It really is the fact that they're four and two. Again,

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Speaker 2: Know, absolutely, let's get through a break. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the

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Speaker 2: drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll hear from

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Speaker 2: Rob King when we get back right after this, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back. I'm Dale Lallie, joined here by Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and on the phone line the Justin Miller Hotline, Rob King,

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Speaker 2: the voice of the Steelers. And King are four and

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Speaker 2: two now for the Steelers. Three of those wins coming

446
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Speaker 2: on the road, so they're three and one on the

447
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Speaker 2: road basically through the first half of their road schedule.

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Speaker 2: And that was a complete and utter takeover of a

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Speaker 2: stadium on Sunday by Steeler fans.

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Speaker 4: Steepish fans, Steelers, Team Steelers, everything. Yeah, there was a

451
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Speaker 4: lot of towels swirling at the proper times, as there

452
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Speaker 4: always is. I'm amazed, you know. I It's been you know,

453
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Speaker 4: a decade probably since I've been on the road with

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Speaker 4: the Steelers, mostly doing pregame stuff on the students radio,

455
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Speaker 4: you know, Penguin Responsibilities and that kind of thing and

456
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Speaker 4: other things that were that have kept me off the road.

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Speaker 4: And it's amazing to see in every city that we

458
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Speaker 4: go to, Steelers bars and Steelers fans walking around the

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Speaker 4: city with and not just the hotel, everywhere around the

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Speaker 4: city with their Steers jerseys on representing. And then you

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Speaker 4: go to the game and you know, TJ. Watts says

462
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Speaker 4: let's go, and fifteen thousands stand up and it toreing

463
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Speaker 4: the terrible towns. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing and so

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Speaker 4: cool to see.

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Speaker 3: So Rob I teased it in the first segment because

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Speaker 3: you know, we had a conversation earlier today about the

467
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Speaker 3: discrepancy in tackling in this game. I mean, how obvious

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Speaker 3: was that to you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean really obvious. You know the uh and

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Speaker 4: it's Antonio Pierce must be well, I would say pulling

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Speaker 4: his hair out, but I think he shaved his head. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, but he's you know, he was a tough, hard,

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Speaker 4: knowns football player, and you know he's got a team

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Speaker 4: of guys, don't you know when they're there, their list

475
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Speaker 4: of you know, to do lists going out there like

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Speaker 4: tackling must not be on the to do list. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't understand what's going on out there.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it was something that he talked about

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Speaker 4: all week. He said, it's back to training camp, back

480
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Speaker 4: to fundamentals. We have to tackle better. Now, Najia Harris

481
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Speaker 4: has no fun to tackle. But still I think that

482
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Speaker 4: that factor. And then after the game, as Wolf and

483
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Speaker 4: I were clearing out of Allegiant Stadium into their postgame show,

484
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Speaker 4: and the guy on the postgame show was killing them saying, look,

485
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Speaker 4: there's guys that just don't look like they want to

486
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Speaker 4: be here, they don't want to tackle. You got to

487
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Speaker 4: get rid of them. You got to get them out

488
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Speaker 4: of here and get some guys in here can tackle.

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Speaker 4: So that's clearly been a point of emphasis for the Raiders. Now,

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Speaker 4: Naji Herris doesn't make it an easier on you, that's

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to say stuff like that, But you're six

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Speaker 2: games into the season. It's not like you can go

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Speaker 2: bring in a whole new roster, right.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you know that's uh, it's it's really it's

496
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Speaker 4: really a not very imposing rocker, you know, especially without

497
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Speaker 4: you know, when you look at the defensive side of

498
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Speaker 4: the ball. No, Christian Wilkins you know, you wonder and

499
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Speaker 4: you know, I don't know what they did under Mike

500
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Speaker 4: Mayock and John Gruden, and you know that that unceremonious

501
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Speaker 4: end of that reign with Gruden.

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Speaker 3: But the very poorly well you look at their showing

503
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Speaker 3: up no way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's like, you know, you're the picture

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Speaker 4: is it a bit five years and it broomed and

506
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Speaker 4: you're around you know this rosst Hey, we're j and

507
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Speaker 4: heist and spent outer. I mean, I'm looking at it.

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Speaker 2: I mean at the deut we're having some issues there

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Speaker 2: with Rob's phone line. We'll try to get back in

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Speaker 2: touch with him here. I don't I don't know what's

511
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Speaker 2: going on with that, but maybe maybe he's still in flight. No,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't because he was on the flight back with me.

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Speaker 2: So but he's right.

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Speaker 3: I mean that along those lines, I was kind of

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Speaker 3: going to expand on it is he mentioned the Gruden

516
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Speaker 3: mayowk era. So not only did they draft very poorly,

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Speaker 3: but they traded Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack and for

518
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Speaker 3: Antonio Brown, and but they traded for a lot of

519
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Speaker 3: picks that they didn't hit on. You know, it's the

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Speaker 3: blow it up thing. You know, you talk about it.

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Speaker 3: If you blow it up, you might not build.

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Speaker 2: It back up. He always in danger of that, you

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Speaker 2: know for sure.

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Speaker 3: And they're drafting Cleveland Ferrell with the fifth overall pick

525
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Speaker 3: and things like that. It's like, well, you swapped out

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Speaker 3: Khalil Mack for Farrell. You know, what do you think

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Speaker 3: of that?

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Speaker 2: A feral dog would have been better? Right roster? Yeah,

529
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Speaker 2: it really is. And uh, you know the Steelers took

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Speaker 2: advantage of that. We got robbed back on the phone line. Here,

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Speaker 2: rob you in a better spot.

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Speaker 4: Here, you guys sound much better now. He's never really

533
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Speaker 4: white sounded right? Yeah, good good, Yeah. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 4: you know, you look at I was just you know, naming.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how much have you heard of that,

536
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Speaker 4: but very little thinking about the defensive front. You know,

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Speaker 4: you look at you look at t J. Watt and

538
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Speaker 4: Alex high Smith and Nick Herbig and Cam Hayward has

539
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Speaker 4: been there for a long time, keanum Bent and Isaiah

540
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Speaker 4: Laudermilk you know, to Marvin Leale and you just go

541
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Speaker 4: down and that's just let the defensive front. I'm looking

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Speaker 4: at their roster and it's like, you know, free agent

543
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Speaker 4: San Francisco. You know, uh so very few of them

544
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Speaker 4: are guys that they selected is showing it's a it's

545
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Speaker 4: a talent poor roster. You know. Roberts Plane is a

546
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Speaker 4: you know, he's a good NFL you know, nice player

547
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Speaker 4: to have on your team. He's a leading tackler, you know,

548
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Speaker 4: to have Max be uh Will Hurt he paid him

549
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Speaker 4: a ten dollars in here. He's a good player. He's

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Speaker 4: a million dollar player. He's a good football player for sure.

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Speaker 4: And then you just look around the rest of the

552
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Speaker 4: roster and you know, you know, hobbs like kind of

553
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Speaker 4: like Hobbs, you know, and then you know, you see

554
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Speaker 4: a guy do something here that it's just not a

555
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Speaker 4: very good roster. And it's that on both sides of

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Speaker 4: the ball, there's just not there's you know, think about this, like,

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Speaker 4: I know there's dropoffs. But I was looking at when

558
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Speaker 4: they said, you know, Myers the night before, hey he's

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Speaker 4: been ground downgraded and doubtful, and I looked at their

560
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Speaker 4: team and I added up, you know, Myers and Adams, okay,

561
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Speaker 4: well twelve hundred and twenty one career receptions. Well, the

562
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Speaker 4: other five guys after you take those two guys out

563
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Speaker 4: they combined for twenty four career catches. There's just no

564
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Speaker 4: depth on that team. I mean none. And then you know,

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Speaker 4: even a guy like Michael Mayer, who they took in

566
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Speaker 4: the second round last year tight end, you know they

567
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Speaker 4: should be able to run two really good tight ends

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Speaker 4: out there. Bowers is a total stunt. Just he's been

569
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Speaker 4: away from the team for what they're calling personal reasons.

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Speaker 4: It's not a very good football team and this year

571
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Speaker 4: just took advantage of.

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Speaker 3: That robin when he kicked out there for a minute.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned they got there the old staff and traded

574
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Speaker 3: like Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper for all these first

575
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Speaker 3: round picks, and I just wanted to looking up real

576
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Speaker 3: quick there. These are some of their recent first round picks.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Tyree Wilson they're getting nothing out of. They

578
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Speaker 3: didn't have one in twenty twenty two. Alex Leatherwood in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one isn't in the league. Henry Ruggs and

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Speaker 3: Damon ar Nett are the first round picks in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Neither's in the league. Cleveland Farrell was a fourth overall pick,

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Speaker 3: a backup somewhere. Jonathan Abrams was a first rounder. I mean,

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Speaker 3: miss after miss after miss in the first round, what

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Speaker 3: do you expect?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and you know, and then the misevaluation.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I don't know how much Jacobs wanted him,

587
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Speaker 4: whether that was a financial thing, but Jacobs is a

588
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Speaker 4: good player. Now.

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Speaker 3: You know they used to get their car too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, right, it's uh, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's a long way from being a good roster. And

592
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Speaker 4: you know, the thing that scared me about them coming

593
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Speaker 4: in was a couple of things. I mean, they played

594
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Speaker 4: really hard for Antonio Piers. You know, I think he's

595
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Speaker 4: he's gotten the best out of a not very good roster.

596
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Speaker 4: And when you know he's got a five hundred, had

597
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Speaker 4: a five hundred record with that team going into it,

598
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Speaker 4: Josh mccangels was what ten and twenty six or something

599
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Speaker 4: or whatever. The number before Pierce took over wasn't very good.

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Speaker 4: And but I always think that until you know, until

601
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Speaker 4: a team knows they're bad, there's a certain dangerment to them,

602
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Speaker 4: you know, until they're kind of looking at the schedule

603
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: but kind of thinking about, well, you know, maybe I'll

604
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Speaker 4: take a January vacation with the missus and the kids,

605
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Speaker 4: you know, and when they're thinking about all, they're dangerous

606
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Speaker 4: because they you know, they we know, look, you don't

607
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 4: want to be two and four, you want to be

608
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Speaker 4: three and three. So I thought there was an element

609
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Speaker 4: of danger, you know. I thought they played as well

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Speaker 4: as they could for a quarter a quarter and a half.

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Speaker 4: And then this year these were just a better team

612
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Speaker 4: and did what they a better team should do, and

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Speaker 4: that's just dominate them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now it UH at four and two has

615
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Speaker 2: a much different sound to it, much different ring to

616
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Speaker 2: it than three and three, going into UH the battle

617
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Speaker 2: for New York over the next two weeks here they

618
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Speaker 2: get the Jets and then the Giants. A couple of

619
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Speaker 2: more prime time games here rob of course, the Jets

620
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Speaker 2: coming up a Sunday night. We'll get a chance to

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Speaker 2: see them tonight against the Bill. So they're gonna be

622
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Speaker 2: on a short week coming to Pittsburgh. And then they

623
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Speaker 2: were in Europe last week, and they were in Europe

624
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Speaker 2: last week, and there's there's a lot of there's a

625
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: lot of turnover there, and UH, the Steelers are going

626
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Speaker 2: to start getting As I mentioned in the previous segment,

627
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Speaker 2: they'll get Alex Highsmith back this week. You know, some

628
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Speaker 2: of these other pieces that that have been missing here.

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Speaker 2: He got Jalen Warren back the last game and he

630
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Speaker 2: kind of knocked the rust off. Maybe you get Cordero

631
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Speaker 2: Patterson back for this game. You know, obviously you lost

632
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Speaker 2: Zach Frasier yesterday and we'll see how long you know,

633
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: that that goes. But you know, starting to get some

634
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: of the pieces back that you've been missing here and

635
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Speaker 2: we'll see what what what Mike does with the quarterback situation.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I was asked about that earlier.

637
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Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if it wasn't justin Fields. But again

638
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Speaker 4: that's why Mike Tomlins, the head coach, that's his decision

639
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: to make. You know, I think Fields is you know,

640
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Speaker 4: he's led him to a four and two record, and

641
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: he's you know, he's it's you know, it's what he's done.

642
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Speaker 4: But also what he's not done. He hasn't turned the

643
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Speaker 4: ball over, he hasn't thrown a bunch of interceptions. But

644
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Speaker 4: you're right, that's going to be interesting. And I think

645
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Speaker 4: the Jets are The Jets are another one of those

646
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: teams to me that's dangerous that I think is a

647
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Speaker 4: team that believes that they are a playoff team. They

648
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Speaker 4: believe that they're a Super Bowl contender. They believe that,

649
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: and so, you know, and this is a important game

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Speaker 4: for them to night. Again, the bill of the two

651
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Speaker 4: games likes going to be the more difficult game for sure,

652
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: because again I think it's a Jets team. You got

653
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers a quarterback. He has not gotten off to

654
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: a great start. As he's knocking you know, talk about

655
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: a guy knocking the rust off. You know, you don't

656
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 4: want to be the one facing him when he you know,

657
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: if he's still got mojo in there, you don't want

658
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: to be the one facing him when he finds that mojo.

659
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: So it's a game brought with danger coming up against

660
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: the Jets.

661
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: I think it's it's a little different, of course, But

662
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: we talked about some guys on the horizon coming back

663
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: and I looked at Patrick Queen early in the season

664
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: and was sort of concerned, you know, like he's swimming

665
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: a little bit. He's not what you paid for necessarily,

666
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: that might be changing pretty quick. I thought he had

667
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: a big impact on this game and it was the

668
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: best game as a Steeler.

669
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 4: I totally agree. Sideline the sideline you know.

670
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: Seemed like there were two of them out there.

671
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it really did. And you know, I think

672
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: that when you when you think about the Steelers, you

673
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 4: knew the front. You know, Kim Hayward. All he had

674
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 4: to do is bounce back, and he did and he

675
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: has and you knew that front was going to be

676
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: good when you especially when you include high Smith and

677
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: Watt and you know the additions on the back end

678
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: to fortify that. And then you know, when you go

679
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: out and make the early splash of Patrick Queen, you're

680
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 4: looking for a sideline to sideline guy, a guy that

681
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: can run, a guy that can be a three down guy,

682
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 4: and he's all of that. He's every thing. And then

683
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: you know, when you can utilize the Landon Roberts and

684
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: Peyton Wilson the way you want, I mean that that's

685
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: a huge He's a huge factor and gives him that

686
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: play that gives a team the playmaker at the second

687
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: level that that they'd like to have. Now, Landon Roberts

688
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: has proven to be a playmaker in his own way

689
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: just by the hard physical hits and the you know,

690
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: the separation that we saw last week with the fumble.

691
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, I agree with you. I think Patrick Queen,

692
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: I think that was his best game. And you know,

693
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: here's the other thing to guys and we you know,

694
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: every every once in a while, a team will throw

695
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 4: some new pieces together and they'll immediately gel and you'll

696
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: be like, wow, this is phenomenal. But that's more the

697
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: exception in the rule. Usually, you know, we look at

698
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: the offensive line, you need some continuity to get together.

699
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 4: You look at you know, new players coming in in

700
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: a new system with new expectations of how to play.

701
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: That's going to take a while. Even though you have

702
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: the OTAs in training camp and and preseason, it rat

703
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: gets up to a different speed with different game planning

704
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: that you're going against. Okay, so look if it's if

705
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: you're just sitting in camp and it's you know, you're

706
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: you're working against basic stuff. That's one thing. Well guess

707
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: what the other team's scheming all week to try to

708
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: put you out of position? So what happens when you're

709
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: seeing something new? You move a yard this way or

710
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 4: yard that way. Well, you need to have some continuity

711
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: playing together to have that happen, and guys to be

712
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: able to play at their absolute peak. And think Patrick

713
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: Queen played fast and played really well this last week.

714
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, as did. They got another interception at Dante Jackson.

715
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: That's number three for him. Now, yeah, yeah, you miss

716
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson. But you know where's this team at right

717
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: now without Jackson? I mean he's he's been pretty good.

718
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: He's got six pass defenses too in six games. I

719
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: mean he's played really well.

720
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that's you know, if you look,

721
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: you want them both, right, you.

722
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: Want the love them both.

723
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you have them both, that'd be great.

724
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: That that wasn't allowed. They didn't allow that to happen,

725
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: so to me and I thought about this a lot,

726
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: especially in light of, you know, the hiring of Arthur Smith.

727
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: What does your team need more another really good solid corner,

728
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: more speed on that back end, the ability to make

729
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: some plays, or another weapon in the passing game. Well,

730
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: to me, it's pretty easy they need They needed the corner.

731
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: You need both, right, but you needed the corner and

732
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: now we're going to have an opportunity to see you know, uh,

733
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: can Calvin Austin step up on occasionally? He had one

734
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: big game this year for sure? Are the tight ends

735
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 4: going to be utilized more? Are we going to see

736
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: more of the running backs in the passing game. I

737
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: think because of the way Arthur Smith runs his offense,

738
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 4: there are certain ways that the Steelers can overcome the

739
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: lack of a guy. You know what everybody point has

740
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: pointed to, and I think a lot is what happens

741
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: if you know, Heaven forbid George Picken to get hit

742
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: by the injury bug and you're missing him for a

743
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 4: week or two, you don't really have anybody that looks

744
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: like they can for sure step up and take you know,

745
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: take those targets and force the other team to to

746
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: take you know, that player into your game plans regards

747
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 4: and and you know, shift coverage that way and think

748
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 4: about how you're going to attack a team that way.

749
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: So that that I think is something that again they've

750
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: been rumored to be interested in guys, so they clearly

751
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 4: think that they you know, if those rumors are true,

752
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: they clearly think they could use another receiver in that

753
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: in that mix. But again, if you told me which

754
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: would you rather have, I would take I would take

755
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 4: Dante Jackson.

756
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: So rob it sure seems like they're going to start

757
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: their fifth group of offensive linemen this upcoming week. I mean,

758
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: we don't know that for sure, but or the extent

759
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: of Zach Frasier's injury. But it's not even Halloween yet,

760
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: and there's a lot more football we played. To me,

761
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: that might be the biggest concern with the whole team

762
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: right now.

763
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: I don't think you're off the market, all, Matt. I

764
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: mean I you know again, And I just go back

765
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: back to sitting there in training camp and thinking, man,

766
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: Dylan cooks pretty good. Is he gonna make this team?

767
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: And you know Ryan McCollum, he'd be a nice guy

768
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 4: to have. Is he gonna make this team? And you know, man,

769
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 4: oh man, there's they they have a lot of offensive lineman.

770
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: Well good, yeah, because you are you know it's somebody

771
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 4: I can't remember a which show asked me. I think

772
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: we're talking about this last week, Like okay, you're you're

773
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: still fine, right, you're still fine. Okay, you look uh

774
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 4: you lost Herbic. Okay, that's a blow. He lost James Davis,

775
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 4: that's a blow. You had anybody to replace? Guys felt

776
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: per about Okay, he lost about Tana. Well, you know,

777
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 4: Robert Jones is awfully good last year, right, you can

778
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 4: go back to him. Okay, Uncle that's enough. Well then

779
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 4: you lose Frasier. Uh. I mean you're getting to the

780
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: point now where and again, nobody's got unlimited depth, especially

781
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 4: at offensive line, and so it will be interesting to

782
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 4: see what goes on this week. And are you know,

783
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: if you're the Jets, are you going to start you know,

784
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 4: thinking about where's Quinn Williams is gonna line up? And

785
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: do we want to maybe get it?

786
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: The front pretty good?

787
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, the front seven is that's right, it's pretty good.

788
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: Well, they're pretty good against that. We'll pass, they're rushing

789
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: the pass or they've not been good against the run,

790
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: which is something to keep an eye on tonight. You'll

791
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: see how they stop Buffalo's running game. But yeah, I

792
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: mean the Jets have been very good against the pass.

793
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure the Steelers would like to ram it

794
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 4: down their throat. I'm sure that if you told them,

795
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: how does another buck? What is it? One sixty three?

796
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: One eighty three? I think one eighty three that they

797
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: had in the ground, I did another one eighty three.

798
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: Sound okay, tell me where to sign. You know, you'll

799
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: take that for sure against the Jets because that's you know,

800
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: good things are going to happen if you're doing that,

801
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 4: and then again that might be a big factor in

802
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 4: this game. And we'll see, Well they shuffle some guys around.

803
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, uh, you know, is Spencer

804
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 4: Anderson going to be in the mix somewhere? Is it

805
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 4: definitely going to be McCollum. I I don't that's assuming

806
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: again that Zack Fraser is going to be out for

807
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks.

808
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see where that yet. Yeah, we just don't know,

809
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: and we'll find out later this week and maybe my

810
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 2: tom Win will shed some light on that tomorrow. Kinger

811
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: will let you go. And it's been a long it

812
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: was a long night, I know, you know, getting in

813
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: I got home at two o'clock in the morning. It

814
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: wasn't that long, but it was long enough after being

815
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: on the West Coast. But well, let's go. We appreciate

816
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: your time. That was Rob King Steeler's play by play announcer.

817
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

818
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network and

819
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: Matt and I'll be back with more right after this.

820
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson. On

821
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

822
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

823
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

824
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt looking at the at the game. More

825
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: from yesterday. I thought, as I mentioned in the previous

826
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: segment that Dante Jackson has been a great addition to

827
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 2: this You just look at what he did in that game. Yesterday.

828
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: We mentioned Patrick Queen Elliott. Elliott was FAMO new additions. Yeah, yeah,

829
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: those new additions to the defense. Patrick Queen thirteen tackles

830
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 2: to tackle for a loss. Deshaun Elliott had six tackles

831
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: in the fumble recovery. But I thought the biggest game,

832
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: I think it was beginning of the third quarter. The

833
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: Raiders get the ball and it's like third and five

834
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: or something like that, and they run a little crossing

835
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: route and he tackles it for like a three yard

836
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: game and their four spunt. I think it was right

837
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: before the block kick. Actually think about it real early

838
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: and a half, real early and a half, and the

839
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: game was tight at that point. If it wasn't that one,

840
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: it was well, I know they're all it's all strung together.

841
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: But he had late night he forced a pun on

842
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: a on a crosser that if he doesn't make the

843
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: tackle there, the Raiders maybe get a first down, start

844
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: getting some momentum. And he just said, no, that's not

845
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: gonna happen here. He's been really good, you know about

846
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: Elliott or Queen Elliott. Yeah, on Eli has been great

847
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: from the start. I think Jackson's been great from the start.

848
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: Big plays. You know, Jackson's gonna get targeted a lot

849
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: with Porter on the other side, even if they're in

850
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: cover three or whatever. But I think people are gonna

851
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: start shying away from that. Elliott's done everything well. I mean,

852
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: Jack of all trades does everything really really well. Plays

853
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: a run, compliments, make a you know the play you

854
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: mentioned tight end e racer to some degree as well.

855
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: And I really like where Queen's come too, you know.

856
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: And it's a nice situation. Sometimes you got to give

857
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: the front office credit for their vision of how to

858
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: build that back seven and something we talked about. Rob

859
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: brought it up, but we've bring it, We've been bringing

860
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 3: up for months. Team speed on the back end is

861
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: night and day different than last year. Absolutely inspect the

862
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: Wallace and Peterson and those dudes.

863
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: They don't run like these guys, you know, no, I

864
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: mean it's been it's been very good. And surprising to

865
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: me was that the Raiders actually ended up with more

866
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: tackles for a loss than the Steelers did yesterday. Now,

867
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: some of that was late when the Steelers are trying

868
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: to run out the clock and yeah, just trying to

869
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: you know, do that. But uh, I'm looking here because somebody,

870
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: I guess with a tackle there. I'm just looking here.

871
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't there's no there's no TfL on the lasts.

872
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: Unless there's a team tackle for lost there.

873
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: But no, I mean, because you did lose a yard

874
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: or whatever I do.

875
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: I texted you early in the game, first couple of

876
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: possessions for the Steelers and the Raiders were in single

877
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: high early downs. Yeah, and Trevor Mooring was just sprinting.

878
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: He definitely had a tackle for loss.

879
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: He had three of them. Yeah, yeah, he had three

880
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: of them. And I'm like, you got to take some

881
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: shots on these early downs. You just can't keep running

882
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: into that because you're not going to go anywhere.

883
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: We're going to go anywhere. It was a great observation,

884
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: but it wasn't as easy to see on TV. But

885
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: That's been something we've talked about for weeks now. It

886
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 3: seems like nausey is the one that's getting the brunt

887
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 3: of it. But linebackers and safeties are coming down crash

888
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: and now, you know, especially on early downs, and you

889
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 3: have to make them pay for that. And I apologize

890
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: for bringing this up, but Wilson will make you pay

891
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: more than fields for those things too.

892
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we did take a shot, I think it

893
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: was after the first possession, and they went down and

894
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: kicked a field goal. But every time they were in

895
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: early downs, the Raiders are in single high and again Mowering,

896
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, is just crashing at the snap of the ball.

897
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: And they came out and they did take a shot

898
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: on the second possession to pickings down the sideline, and

899
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: it just didn't connect on it. Yeah, Actually, don't actually

900
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: a fifty sixty yards the third possession because the second possession,

901
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: the first play, Mowering blows it up. Remind a negative

902
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: gain of five yards, and then they throw a couple

903
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: of short and they punt and I'm like, they got

904
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: to look at this and see that that's what's happening here. Yeah,

905
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: and attack it down the field. They tried they missed

906
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: a play to a Pickens down the sideline. But you

907
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: just have to be able to beat that stuff. You

908
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: have to be able to beat it.

909
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: And when teams are doing that, it makes it harder

910
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: to execute play action because it's just another beat. You

911
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: got to hold the football and go. Routes are great,

912
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: you know, but it doesn't even have to be an

913
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 3: ADR bomb.

914
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: There were some slants that were there that, Yeah, when

915
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: they're got everybody up like that and there's only one

916
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: guy in the middle of the field deep like if

917
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: they're crashing and you hit that slant, lookout.

918
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: If those are the tendency's right exactly, And again I

919
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: think Wilson would do that better more just from a

920
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: recognition standpoint. This is how they're trying to play us.

921
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: I've beaten this ten years ago, I know exactly. I

922
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: remember when we had Marshawn Lynch and they did the

923
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: exact same thing. You know, I mean that type of

924
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: thing that's not a knock on fields at all, But

925
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: you hit Pickens on a deep slant or a cross

926
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: or or something like that makes one guy miss or

927
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: the guy that's gardening them in man coverage. You know,

928
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: you can make a lot for after the catch.

929
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: I will say, I don't I don't know that the

930
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: Raiders they acted like they had never seen a mobile

931
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: quarterback before on some of these, like they just allowed

932
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: him escape lane after escape lane. In terms of a

933
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: pass rush plan, you're talking just everybody running up field

934
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: past the quarterback and really bad.

935
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, really bad. I mean, it's one of the most

936
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: untalked about things in defensive football, is a pass rush plan.

937
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: Why do you think Lamar doesn't destroy the Steelers because

938
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: they have a good plan of keep him in the

939
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: pocket and they keep him in a phone booth and yeah,

940
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: he can still do a lot of damage to you.

941
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: But Bud, the pre running up field doesn't do anybody

942
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: any good at all or ex big exposed lanes in

943
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: the A and B gaps. I mean, there was a

944
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: couple instances where the sea's parted for field yea, and yeah,

945
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: I'll take it, you know.

946
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: And then they finally ran a draw on one of them,

947
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, if they're going to keep rushing up

948
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: the field like that, boom, wait a second and just

949
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: take off. Turned into another big game.

950
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: Rays behind me chasing, you know, and you're not going

951
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 3: to catch them.

952
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: That, and he sent all your receivers just you guys

953
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: are run downfield and clear that out.

954
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I don't think the Raiders are greatly

955
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: coached team. I mean, he's an interim head coach. That's

956
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not saying he's in over his head,

957
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: but it's a big job and they don't have the

958
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: horses to deal with it. And if they're gonna give

959
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 3: you those type advantages, take them all day long.

960
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought that, you know, the Steelers were

961
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: able to do that with the running game stuff and

962
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: you know, again tackling nausey. He's no fun, but you

963
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: got to get him on the ground. You know that

964
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 2: Going into this game, I guess.

965
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: That's been a point of contention with the Raiders too.

966
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean, like when all the Davante Adams stuff starts

967
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: coming out. You know, Pierce was talking about how we

968
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: want guys that are bought in, you know, and everyone

969
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: thought Adams isn't that guy. I think he's talking about

970
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: the tacklers.

971
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: He's talking about his defense.

972
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

973
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: That that you looked like some guys making some business decisions.

974
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, other than Max Crosby, who was

975
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: as good as anyone. He had some tackles for lost too,

976
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: I assume, I mean he was a force. I don't know.

977
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: I thought he had a lead. There's only one sack

978
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: in the game, which was actually had too. He had too. Okay,

979
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: he's a phenomenal player, but a lot of that defense

980
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: is needs to be reevalued. Yeah, we reevaluated.

981
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, sacks don't count as a tackle fast No, No,

982
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: it has to be in a running play. So yeah,

983
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: I mean Crosby's good, but they just don't have a

984
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: lot else there. And well, the Steelers have more.

985
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: And if you played with more, I'm not saying the

986
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: Raiders didn't care, but if you played with your hair

987
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 3: on fire and disciplined and kept fields in the pocket,

988
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: you at least can get the most out of your

989
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: minimal talent. And they didn't do that.

990
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 2: They didn't do that. Now, again, the Steelers were good

991
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: enough to take advantage of their poor play.

992
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

993
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was the Steelers as particularly offensively

994
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: playing well.

995
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: I didn't think they played their best game, no, but

996
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: it was more than good enough. Yeah, and I'm sure

997
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: a point of contention now with the Raiders. If you

998
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 3: know we were doing their network would be well, all

999
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: of our penalties are so costly. Yeah, that was terrible.

1000
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: I mean you did but you did them. But it

1001
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: was a little things like that too, Like you got

1002
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: a punt blocked, and you know you're not keeping fields

1003
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: in the pocket and you're not tackling.

1004
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the punt block as well,

1005
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Moon runs right past their personal protector. They over

1006
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: like it was four on each side. Yeah, and they

1007
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: shifted again five on one side, four and the other

1008
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: and they shifted a guy late, I think if I

1009
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: remember correctly, And the punt protector is looking this way

1010
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: and Moon comes right runs right by him, just runs

1011
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: right by them, untouched.

1012
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1013
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: And I don't know the rules well designed by Danny Smith.

1014
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: He as as I say is, these aren't by These

1015
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: don't happen by accident.

1016
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: They don't happen by accident. It happens way too often.

1017
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 3: I don't know the intricacies of punt protection. I don't

1018
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: watch all twenty two Special Teams film. There's only so

1019
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: many minutes in a day, and I'm not going down

1020
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: that alley. But when you consistently block kicks year after

1021
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: year and with different people we know Killer Brew's great

1022
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: at it. We know Matta Kavis.

1023
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: I just assume when it happened that it was Killer.

1024
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: Brew and right right, But that's design, that's coaching. Yeah,

1025
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: it's similar to Shanahan designing offense.

1026
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: He's almost that guy now. And it may have been

1027
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: him that moved over. I don't know him, and maybe

1028
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: that's why the personal protector goes, oh, they're setting something

1029
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: up over here. And it's a little subterfuge there. But

1030
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: Danny Smith, you can talk. You can complain about this

1031
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: or that with the special teams whatever. Yeah, you can't

1032
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: complain about the Steelers having game changing kickblocks in the

1033
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: in that in that part of the game, you just can't.

1034
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: It's yeah, they have to be at the top of

1035
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: the league of the last five years or whatever.

1036
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: Have to be and it's a it's a big part

1037
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: of the game. And and you know they're They've been

1038
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: really good on teams this year, really good on teams.

1039
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: I was very concerned when Johnston got hurt.

1040
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: Weightman. The fact that we don't talk about him in

1041
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: a negative manner at all is all I need. And

1042
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: in fact, I think he's been quite good. I think

1043
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: I was on Martin Madden Show. Just now, we're talking

1044
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 3: about Bosworth a little bit and I'm like, Boswell, what

1045
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: do I call him?

1046
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: Bosworth?

1047
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: Brian Bosworth, the Boss. I mean, his career is almost

1048
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: Tucker like at this point, you know, like if you're

1049
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 3: going to start like, he better be on a Hall

1050
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: of Fame ballot. Yeah. I'm not saying that you should

1051
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: go in, but I mean I'm not big gun kickers

1052
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: going in. We know that, but I mean what he

1053
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 3: does every year is unbelievable and he's not talked about

1054
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: in that same right fashion that at least mentioned him

1055
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: in that delay. Yeah, I mean that's all I'm saying. Yeah,

1056
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

1057
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: Let's get to a break. That's going to do it

1058
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: for our number one of the drive here on the

1059
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back with

1060
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: our number two right after this