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Speaker 2: Well, according to the drive, I am Dale Lolly, he
Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and Matt the Steelers draft visits
Speaker 2: are completed.
Speaker 3: Everybody, Today's the last day is the last day.
Speaker 2: So today they head in Junior Colson. Interesting, they head
Speaker 2: in Penn State Center Hunter norse ed.
Speaker 3: Okay, that adds up for sure, even if he wasn't
Speaker 3: a close guy, which he doesn't count as the freebie visit, right,
Speaker 3: I don't believe that he does. I don't think. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then they also head in and this is from
Speaker 2: the International Pathway Program, offensive tackle Travis Clayton, who's from England.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that one I can't comment on.
Speaker 2: Don't know anything, right, Yeah. So if you look at
Speaker 2: the overall process here of who they have had in.
Speaker 3: So it's been released every team's visits, they're done. If
Speaker 3: you weren't in today or can't come in again, right,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: It's finished.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is done.
Speaker 2: The guys that the Steelers have had in at the
Speaker 2: wide receiver position, it's been a Donnie Mitchell did you.
Speaker 3: Hear the news about him today? No? So, Bob McGinn
Speaker 3: puts out something very good stuff, very good stuff, And
Speaker 3: the first of the eight part series came out today.
Speaker 3: I subscribed. I'll send it to you. I haven't even
Speaker 3: opened it yet, but three different people told me in
Speaker 3: that report he had Mitchell has a diabetes problem. That
Speaker 3: and I'm getting a certain hand information. I have not
Speaker 3: yet read it, but it basically says when my blood
Speaker 3: sugar is loan, it happens a lot during games. I
Speaker 3: have a hard time giving all effort. I'm very uncoachable
Speaker 3: and I know it, and it's a problem for him,
Speaker 3: you know. And I know some I know, like Mark
Speaker 3: Andrews and some others have dealt with it and deal
Speaker 3: with it better. But it's an issue right now. I mean,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure people want to get their hands on
Speaker 3: that and figure out how manageable it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, Luke McCaffrey, Okay, it'd be a slot. Malachi Corley,
Speaker 2: he'd probably be both uh TOAJ Washington, mostly a slot,
Speaker 2: I'd say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Xavierly get more of a downfield outside numbers type,
Speaker 3: but yeah, good after they catch and Ricky Pearsaw I
Speaker 3: think he's all the above. So you have a good group.
Speaker 2: One basically one first round wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Mitchell's the only one you'd consider in
Speaker 3: the first.
Speaker 2: Then you're looking at maybe Courley Leget pearsaw is Day
Speaker 2: two guys agreed, and then McCaffrey and TOAJ Washington more.
Speaker 3: Round four is four or five. Yeah, and they're the slots,
Speaker 3: And I think that's not an accident that you're not
Speaker 3: looking at big prototypical x's at the fifth round. Neighborhood
Speaker 3: here to get those guys early, Yeah, makes you think
Speaker 3: that might go for an outside physical die and a
Speaker 3: slot maybe.
Speaker 2: Or they're looking day two, day they're not. Look, they're
Speaker 2: not really looking hard at a wide receiver in round one.
Speaker 3: A grade agree, Like if Brian Thomas Junior would have
Speaker 3: been here, I would have been not junior to the
Speaker 3: second or whatever. Yeah, Yeah, that would have been more
Speaker 3: of an alarm bell. But I think Mitchell will go
Speaker 3: in the first round. The chances he ends up with
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh probably slim. Yeah, that may have maybe one two.
Speaker 2: I mean it was interesting to me, and this may
Speaker 2: have just been coincidental that the Donnie Mitchell meeting happened
Speaker 2: right after Steffan Diggs got traded to Houston. Oh yeah, right,
Speaker 2: like within days, like two days. Hey, Buffalo, we might
Speaker 2: take your guy. Yeah, yeah, you might come trade up
Speaker 2: on the offensive line.
Speaker 3: A lot of guys. Graham Barton makes all the sense
Speaker 3: in the world. Mason McCormick also makes all the sense
Speaker 3: in the world. Hey, how comfortable you play in center,
Speaker 3: Zach Frazier. You're very comfortable playing s Tyler Geyiton, Okay,
Speaker 3: I mean I think you just want to get to
Speaker 3: know him, work, ethic, love of the game. Same with
Speaker 3: Mems in that type of way.
Speaker 2: Jackson powers Johnson.
Speaker 3: These are all the top centers in the draft. Blake Fisher, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he could be a second round Maybe sneak
Speaker 3: him in the third round option.
Speaker 2: Steven Jones, that's the Oregon kid. Oh okay, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know a ton about him, but he'd be a
Speaker 2: mid rounder. Matt Goncleaves interesting.
Speaker 3: I like him more and more too. I think he
Speaker 3: can play in the league. You might get him at
Speaker 3: a somewhat of a discount this year. To Lasi Fuaga.
Speaker 3: It'd be first round mix obviously. Yeah. Travis Glover from
Speaker 3: Georgia State interesting player too. There's some multiple clay there.
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of traits. Maybe get him in
Speaker 3: the fifth round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Amarus Mims, we know who he is, and he'd
Speaker 2: be a lot like Geydon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the linebackers.
Speaker 2: The only brought two linebackers and they brought Peyton Wilson
Speaker 2: in and then Junior Colson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting to me. I mean, I guess if
Speaker 3: the price is right, they would pull the trigger on him.
Speaker 3: I don't want to look too much ahead of it
Speaker 3: and say that means Holcomb's not going to play for
Speaker 3: a long time, right, because those guys will be Those
Speaker 3: guys are probably going around two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you may bring them in and say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, if something happened and they were available in round.
Speaker 3: Three, there's probably a They probably love the players, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean when you could see why. I'm sure they
Speaker 3: want to do medical checks on Wilson like crazy, whether
Speaker 3: that's for now or when he hits free agency in
Speaker 3: four years or whatever. But I don't know that either
Speaker 3: one will be a Steeler. That seems far fetched, but
Speaker 3: there is a price you would pay for them. Of course.
Speaker 3: Defensive lineman Christian.
Speaker 2: Boyd, we draft him all the time fit. Yeah, Jayden
Speaker 2: Coremedi from Michigan State. That's a n zippy state I
Speaker 2: should say. Yeah, he's a late round like yeah, nose
Speaker 2: tackle type.
Speaker 3: Nose tackle type, yeah. Logan Lee from Iowa. He's not
Speaker 3: a nose tackle type. He's more than three four D
Speaker 3: n right. Yeah, Massan Smith, same thing. Sure, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you want to talk to him and medicals on him too.
Speaker 3: Braden Fisk, that's a weird one for me, but he
Speaker 3: would be an end here, you know.
Speaker 2: I he's so active that I don't care that he
Speaker 2: does everything else that you want.
Speaker 3: He's the energizer bunny, right, I mean, like you know
Speaker 3: he's on the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he runs like he You watch Cam Young, Cam
Speaker 2: Hayward when he was still really athletic. Yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 2: Braden Fisk running around ten ten yards downfield you're coming down,
Speaker 2: just destroying the running back.
Speaker 3: The energy he brings is very palatable. Yeah, it brings it.
Speaker 3: It's real.
Speaker 2: Western Michigan had him and Marshawn neland on the same dame.
Speaker 3: How about that. He's also older though, but I mean
Speaker 3: there's so many old prospects on this there's nothing you
Speaker 3: can do about that. Darius Robinson. Okay, so if we'll
Speaker 3: talk about this on my podcast today, there's either twelve
Speaker 3: or thirteen guys that are going to be at the draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of them.
Speaker 3: He's one of them. He's the one that stood out
Speaker 3: like is he a first round or not?
Speaker 2: Now, some other guys turned them down, of course, of.
Speaker 3: Course, I'm sure something would rather just be at home. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you don't want a guy who's sitting around. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's going to go in first He's going the first round.
Speaker 3: Hyper said one hundred times in a row. He's going
Speaker 3: in the first round. So if a Steelers looking at him,
Speaker 3: it might be twenty or trade down to get him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's I don't see.
Speaker 2: He's in that range for them that they're just not
Speaker 2: gonna be able to get him. At cornerback Cooper Dejan
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about that last on Monday.
Speaker 2: Beanie Bishop from West Virginia.
Speaker 3: That's a free d so you muy as well check
Speaker 3: it out. Max Melton makes all of sense in the world.
Speaker 3: Maybe a round two guy Nate Wiggins. I don't know
Speaker 3: where he fits here, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: is it would it be bad to have an extra
Speaker 3: outside only corner, of course not. He's extremely talented, but
Speaker 3: he's not super physical. I mean he is a little lighter.
Speaker 3: I like the player, it's just he's not slot versatile.
Speaker 3: You'd figure it out. But I mean there's there's a
Speaker 3: point you'd take him. But he wouldn't be in my
Speaker 3: top twenty.
Speaker 2: MJ. Devonshire from pitt that.
Speaker 3: Was at PREB. But he would also fit in. Andrew
Speaker 3: Phillips from Kentucky. He's like Melton and day one hardy. Okay,
Speaker 3: do you agree Melton and Phillips are probably the most
Speaker 3: likely non Degene Steelers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you might have to at this point,
Speaker 2: you might have to take them in round two.
Speaker 3: I think Melton you have to, and Phillips is probably
Speaker 3: pretty darn close. I don't think you can wait around
Speaker 3: to the third round for him. They're both great testers too.
Speaker 3: Everything about this Matt so Pennix never came Everything that
Speaker 3: never happened, that stuff never happened.
Speaker 2: Those Yeah, again, that's why you don't listen to Will
Speaker 2: so and so reporting that they this guy is scheduled
Speaker 2: to visit.
Speaker 3: Not before Wednesday. They don't come in.
Speaker 2: I don't care if what visit was scheduled.
Speaker 3: If they didn't come in, they weren't here. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: maybe put out in the twenty teams schedule one ring
Speaker 3: figure they must be one of them, which is probably
Speaker 3: where a lot of that kind of stuff is. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I look at this.
Speaker 2: And outside of the tackles, mm hmm, this screams trade down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does. I mean, I think you
Speaker 3: want to do all your homework on the Fuaggos of
Speaker 3: the world. Of course, Hey, we love you. If you're there,
Speaker 3: we're gonna run to the podium. I hate to say this,
Speaker 3: and maybe it's just late in the process, you know,
Speaker 3: overthinking it. I'm not sure the desired tackles are going
Speaker 3: to make it the twenty. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think any of them are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wonder you include mimser guiding. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about the fatanhos Well.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Wiggins there as well, and I look at
Speaker 2: Wiggins and I look at Mitchell as guys that hey,
Speaker 2: team's behind us.
Speaker 3: We're looking at these guys.
Speaker 2: Ma, if you want to come up, if you really
Speaker 2: want this guy, you really want that four to nine cornerback,
Speaker 2: you got to come up and get him.
Speaker 3: You really want to mention the bills of Mitchell. Maybe
Speaker 3: one of the eagles could use the corner.
Speaker 2: Somebody's really looking from them outside corner. And well, we
Speaker 2: don't know if if must be interesting. Ye, we don't
Speaker 2: know if the gene he might be a safety, he
Speaker 2: might be an outside. We really like Wiggans better. You
Speaker 2: better come up and get him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again I think the centers are mostly trade down,
Speaker 3: but you could live with them at twenty. So those
Speaker 3: other positions you mentioned too, even like if you traded
Speaker 3: down far, I could take Pearsall at thirty, you know,
Speaker 3: or something like that. I mean, remember I did my list.
Speaker 3: He was like at the bottom of it. I mean,
Speaker 3: but that was without all the edges and those type
Speaker 3: of things. That has some other guys I'd take ahead
Speaker 3: of him.
Speaker 2: At thirty, but probably i'd take lad Mconky at thirty.
Speaker 3: I have Maconukay ahead of them. Yeah, peer Saw was
Speaker 3: right behind him on my list. He was ahead of
Speaker 3: like Franklin. Even Mims and Geiton could be trade down types. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, would you take him at twenty if you
Speaker 3: had to, but be better at twenty five? Yeah, that
Speaker 3: whole the whole things.
Speaker 2: With both of those two guys, in particular Mims and Geiton,
Speaker 2: is that they're both right tackles. Yeah, and if you
Speaker 2: make that move, are they gonna have enough snaps?
Speaker 3: Because now you're gonna look at Broderck Jones.
Speaker 2: You can say, Broderick, Okay, we drafted a right tackles,
Speaker 2: we're gonna move you in to left tackle. I hope
Speaker 2: that you're the foundation. I hope you're the foundation. But
Speaker 2: Mike Tom has said he's all I'm on record saying
Speaker 2: Dan Moore is a better left tackle than he has
Speaker 2: right tackles.
Speaker 3: Where it gets sticky. Yeah, And then what if these
Speaker 3: guys aren't ready to play at the start of the season.
Speaker 3: I know, and that is definitely Harry for those two.
Speaker 3: They're way more talented than Dan Moore.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't mean they're going to be better
Speaker 2: on day one of the September or whenever the season open.
Speaker 3: But we did see some things with proder Jones two.
Speaker 3: I mean, like he learned in the fire. He wasn't
Speaker 3: a day one starter either, but some of these guys
Speaker 3: and Jones is a good example, even when he was wrong,
Speaker 3: he was right because he was so talented. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Now, it's a leap of faith
Speaker 3: on both those guys.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, you've got quarter two quarterbacks
Speaker 2: now who takes sacks?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, without question. So they could do things
Speaker 3: off the charts. And it's a lot of pressure on
Speaker 3: your own line coach too, you know, like you're turning
Speaker 3: a kindergartener into a high schooler overnight. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like it's a big, strong kindergartener. But that's a
Speaker 3: lot and it's not a knock on O line coaches
Speaker 3: or whatever, but you're asking a lot from them, and
Speaker 3: it's a fun project. Every O line coach would love
Speaker 3: to get mems and guiding and work with them, you know,
Speaker 3: of course, but work with them.
Speaker 2: But here's a deadline. Yeah, you're going to have this
Speaker 2: guy ready by you know. I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just that's that's.
Speaker 3: Why I think Dylan Cook could do it for a month.
Speaker 3: Or that's what gets Harry about the whole thing. Right,
Speaker 3: Dan Moore is kind of in a tough situation. You know,
Speaker 3: if he really isn't very right tackle capable, there's only
Speaker 3: one spun the line. You can help me. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying he's gonna not gonna be here. But if you're
Speaker 3: set on having broder Jones as your left what what's
Speaker 3: more doing? I don't even know what I mean. I
Speaker 3: can't blame Dan Moore, not at all.
Speaker 2: Because if again, if we've talked about before his rookie year, yeah,
Speaker 2: the plan was to have him work on both sides
Speaker 2: right and then Zach Banner kept getting hurt and so
Speaker 2: they kept having to play him on the left side
Speaker 2: and left Chucks on the right side because Chukes was
Speaker 2: the incumbent starter on the right side. And next thing
Speaker 2: you know, Dan Moore gets no snaps. He got like
Speaker 2: two days worth of practice snaps on the right side
Speaker 2: last year. If you remember in training camp, he was
Speaker 2: taking basically a snap.
Speaker 3: They would do. They would do their first less than
Speaker 3: one pas. Yeah, you know, right tackle, That's what it
Speaker 3: was about. Done it. He had done it. So if
Speaker 3: by chance, you went the guy geting or Mims route,
Speaker 3: I think thirty seconds after that pick, you call more
Speaker 3: up and be like, you're now a right tackle, start
Speaker 3: working on coming right. You know that stands We like
Speaker 3: your chance. Well, we like the chances of either you
Speaker 3: or first round pick being able to adapt one of
Speaker 3: them has no clue what he's doing, but super talented.
Speaker 3: One guy's been around the block but doesn't like the
Speaker 3: right side. You got four months to get it right,
Speaker 3: and the better guy wins. It's scary, right, right, leap
Speaker 3: of faith?
Speaker 2: Is that a bigger leap of faith than going and
Speaker 2: taking Mason McCormick is saying, Okay, center.
Speaker 3: I wish I knew more about that situation because everyone
Speaker 3: that's in the nose seems to think he's a center
Speaker 3: as a guard even though he hasn't played it. No,
Speaker 3: I think it's less. I think McCormick's safer.
Speaker 2: Because everybody who talks about this switch flip flopping of
Speaker 2: size on the line.
Speaker 3: Is not fun, not fun, very unnatural. It's yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't think guard to center is as
Speaker 3: unnatural assuming he has some kind of center background right
Speaker 3: where right the left where you've practiced every minute of
Speaker 3: your life as a left which also makes what Roder
Speaker 3: Jones did even more impressive as a rookie. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean he was playing left handed, so to speak.
Speaker 2: So I looked it up here with h the guys
Speaker 2: who are currently on the Steelers roster, Nick Herbig I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Nate Herbig has taken forty nine naps in game at center.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see him as the answer. I think
Speaker 3: he's a guard.
Speaker 2: Isaac Sayamalu has played thirty four snaps at center, but bro,
Speaker 2: those came for the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't know it's all them all ever, even
Speaker 3: actually or Stelsey.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but he was a center in college.
Speaker 3: He has done that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, James Daniels, there's also a center in college. He
Speaker 2: played five hundred and eight snaps at center in twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen for the Bears.
Speaker 3: For the Bears. Was that his rookie years? It was
Speaker 3: his second year. Okay, so I know the kind of
Speaker 3: basically all he did of.
Speaker 2: That's the only time he played center in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I'd have to go back at his college snaps, but
Speaker 3: there were a lot.
Speaker 2: And then and then you you know, you mentioned that
Speaker 2: Spencer Anderson. He played one game at Maryland.
Speaker 3: At center, at center, and he did some snapping here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can't remember did he play preseason snaps at center
Speaker 3: or not? Did a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they're moving him all over the place.
Speaker 3: Just can't be played everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was gets you out of the game stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, again, there's some puzzle pieces that
Speaker 3: don't fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have that flexibility for one of those
Speaker 2: guys to move just to play center. You're just okay,
Speaker 2: you've done it before, You've got four months to do it.
Speaker 2: Let's let's get it ready to go.
Speaker 3: Right, And if you're a Daniels or a Ciamalu, you'd
Speaker 3: have to kind of agree to it. It's not just
Speaker 3: like we're just shoving you in there.
Speaker 2: You're the veteran guy, you're the established did we're giving
Speaker 2: you money. But your best, if you're putting your best
Speaker 2: five on the field, might entail one of those guys
Speaker 2: playing center.
Speaker 3: I know, and I've said for a while, I think
Speaker 3: Daniel's best position is center, not by leaps and bounds,
Speaker 3: and Moore's best position might be guard. Well, that still
Speaker 3: leaves a huge hole right tackle though, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: what you could find in the draft or I hate
Speaker 3: to say, something like sign a Raven Clark like guy
Speaker 3: that's at least been around the block, or that's pretty shallow.
Speaker 2: You run your tackles back the way they were last year.
Speaker 3: It's another option. It's another option. I mean honestly.
Speaker 2: They they're telling us here by what they did in
Speaker 2: the off season by letting Mason Cole go. And I
Speaker 2: understand tackles are harder to find, Yeah, but they didn't
Speaker 2: do anything with Dan Moore. No, I was actually Mason
Speaker 2: cole was worse than Dan Moore. As my point, I
Speaker 2: think so last year. So Dan Morlan is one year
Speaker 2: and left on his contract. I think you could get
Speaker 2: more for him than like the dots in Green Move.
Speaker 3: He's a three year starter. But I don't want to
Speaker 3: trade him, you know what I mean. I mean, it
Speaker 3: would have to be a pretty nice return. I would
Speaker 3: have to.
Speaker 2: Get one of these top five guys in the draft.
Speaker 3: And maybe have a veteran on speed dial that's going
Speaker 3: to make four million a year that at least doesn't stink,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yeah, like that, I mean
Speaker 3: better than but in that mold somebody who's just a
Speaker 3: game day swing tackle. But it's somebody gonna give you
Speaker 3: enough for Dan Moore that you dump him because he's
Speaker 3: not like he's a huge contract, say cost you much, right,
Speaker 3: But there's some puzzle pieces there, But I'm curious how
Speaker 3: they all end up building the puzzle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's very compel. Yeah, it is, and
Speaker 2: it's all going to play out by what happens well
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, and there are some center options though. I
Speaker 3: mean then you just lay them all out and Connor
Speaker 3: Williams and.
Speaker 2: You might still have Connor Williams on speed Doll. He's
Speaker 2: another guy that gives you that kind of flexibility.
Speaker 3: He's done both.
Speaker 2: Then Daniels is up after this year as well. And
Speaker 2: I go back to what Omar Kahn said, the Mason
Speaker 2: Cole is available, he is. You know, Omar con at
Speaker 2: the Combine said, position flexibility always has been important to me.
Speaker 2: We have guys who are center capable. But that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean we aren't going to look at free agency, at
Speaker 2: the trade market, at the draft process. There are good
Speaker 2: players in every one of those areas. Position flexibility. Yes,
Speaker 2: you look at those guys.
Speaker 3: Coach Sallins said that forever on the other line. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's screams Graham Barton, it does.
Speaker 2: It screams Graham Barton, because he might he might be
Speaker 2: I'll play right tackle for you.
Speaker 3: He might be your center. I'd be uncomfort dribble him
Speaker 3: at right tackle, but he could hold on the fort.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you put him at center, and if
Speaker 2: you have an injury, maybe then he kicks out. Maybe
Speaker 2: then Herbig is your center, he kicks out the right town.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that that position of flexibility is something
Speaker 2: that is important. They have obviously targeted Herbig in the
Speaker 2: last two years that they've signed her Big.
Speaker 3: Daniels Sayamalo guys.
Speaker 2: Who play multiple positions, that's what they've targeted.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if they've ever had intentions for
Speaker 3: Ciamalu or Daniels to play center, though Daniels to me
Speaker 3: is much more.
Speaker 2: They signed Cole at the same time that they signed Daniels.
Speaker 3: I think the Herbig thing and Cole had played booth.
Speaker 2: He had played Garden center, but he felt he was
Speaker 2: better at center than he was guard.
Speaker 3: So back to about five minutes ago, rewind. I also
Speaker 3: think it's better than this draft to go fishing for
Speaker 3: centers and guards. Yeah, I mean you could get some
Speaker 3: position versus there's some overlap there. Yeah, the center group's
Speaker 3: better than the guard group. Yeah, Like if you're say, hey, Daniels,
Speaker 3: you're a center, well guard.
Speaker 2: Even Norza, who they brought in today, played already played center.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, but I could live with Norzad
Speaker 3: as a fourth round pick and be in the mix.
Speaker 3: Is my opening day starter? Yeah? Interesting, that's what happens.
Speaker 2: If you drafts what you draft a tackle in the
Speaker 2: first round, then you're then you're in the then you're
Speaker 2: playing that fourth round if you don't get Frasier.
Speaker 3: Most likely, which you probably won't, right, And would you
Speaker 3: go back Tobacco lineman? That would be tough. It'd be
Speaker 3: tough with the receiver. You're gonna pass on the receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's Harry. Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well did it good at each player position?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a look at what Bucky
Speaker 2: now has here at quarterback. His his rankings are Caleb Williams,
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, Drake May, Michael Pennix. So it's pretty chocky,
Speaker 2: but okay, ahead of JJ McCarthy, who bumped down a spot.
Speaker 3: Okay, I do see why people like Pennix. I have
Speaker 3: some reservations though. I mean there's some things he does
Speaker 3: really well, but there's also some things that he the
Speaker 3: numbers kind of hide like. I don't think he's as
Speaker 3: accurate as given credit for. I mean, he makes a
Speaker 3: lot of the high difficulty throws, but he also is
Speaker 3: not a pinpoint placement guy. He ran a great forty,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't played like an athlete or an improv guy.
Speaker 2: And then the interesting thing, that's what people said about
Speaker 2: c J. Stroud too, And yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's great to know he can, right, you know,
Speaker 2: he's got that in his his back pocket that I'd
Speaker 2: rather have that. I'd rather have that club in my
Speaker 2: bed than Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean is that his style? It wasn't Strouds either,
Speaker 3: but at least you have it.
Speaker 2: He might be running like that if he's chased by TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt. Yeah. So the other thing too. Everyone's so big
Speaker 3: on pressure to sack ratio. That's like the hottest metric
Speaker 3: of the year, all of a sudden, and he's the
Speaker 3: best by far in the league with it. But I
Speaker 3: saw someone take it to the next level and said, Okay,
Speaker 3: so he doesn't take sacks when he's pressured, but he's
Speaker 3: the worst guy of all these in terms of production
Speaker 3: when pressure. Yeah, so, okay.
Speaker 2: He didn't take a sack, he didn't take a negative,
Speaker 2: but he didn't turn it into anything good either.
Speaker 3: I think that can get better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean sacks are not taking the sack
Speaker 2: is a big part of right, Like you're not taking
Speaker 2: the negative play, you just throw the ball away.
Speaker 3: The Calebs of the world, they may take some sacks,
Speaker 3: but then they also abuse pressure when they are under pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's keep an eye on his bone. Nixt and
Speaker 2: no real surprise there. That's his top that's top six
Speaker 2: guys running back Jonathan Brook one. I'm leaning that way too,
Speaker 2: Trey Benson too. I think they're the top two. Jalen
Speaker 2: Right three, different style, but sure Blake Korum four, will
Speaker 2: Shipley five, that's unchanged.
Speaker 3: Shipley doesn't do it for me. But there's also not
Speaker 3: a ton of candidates there that I'd be doing cart
Speaker 3: wheels over.
Speaker 2: He's keep an eye on his Bucky Irving.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like the I like estimate a lot a
Speaker 3: lot of specialty backs. Yeah, those last two are real,
Speaker 3: just like pass catcher types. Yeah, you know it's not
Speaker 3: a great class wide receiver.
Speaker 2: He has Marvin Harrison, Roma doon Z Melek Neighbors, Brian Thomas,
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman is his five. He bumped Thomas up a spot,
Speaker 2: move Coleman down.
Speaker 3: I think the top four are pretty easy. I'm surprised
Speaker 3: he didn't have Thomas higher yea from the start. But people,
Speaker 3: Coleman's got a lot of mixed opinions.
Speaker 2: Now that's just his outside those are his wide receivers
Speaker 2: he designates as well. Okay, so it's a little different,
Speaker 2: but those are I mean, if we're looking just at
Speaker 2: the at the top pure outside receivers.
Speaker 3: See, I think Coleman's a big slot though, is the
Speaker 3: best way to eat like a Marquis Colston type, like
Speaker 3: a bigger Juju.
Speaker 2: I could use him outside the numbers, you can.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's big, but he's not as great as
Speaker 3: getting off press man.
Speaker 2: I don't care because he just goes up and beats
Speaker 2: people up and you go get the football. That's I mean,
Speaker 2: he's he will play above the rim.
Speaker 3: Oh and there's no question about that. Uh.
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on as Troy Franklin.
Speaker 3: Okay, I do think he's more outside than slot, even
Speaker 3: though he's small.
Speaker 2: His slot receivers top five lad Mconkey, I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: as we overlap Ricky Piersoll.
Speaker 3: I think he also does both very well. Roman Wilson.
Speaker 3: I think he's a pure slot.
Speaker 2: Malachi Corley better from the slot. I mean Malik Washington.
Speaker 2: Malik Washington to me, there's some Steve Smith in his game.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a fan. He is a tough, tough little dude.
Speaker 2: He's also got the d Yeah, he breaks tackles. He's
Speaker 2: tax he's just a shade under five to nine, but
Speaker 2: he's like one hundred ninety five.
Speaker 3: Pounds, have long arms. Yeah. I mean, I think he's
Speaker 3: a really good player. He's coming off a great year.
Speaker 2: And he's keep an eye on his Jacob Cowing another
Speaker 2: rout runner tight Yeah. Uh his tight ends Rock Bauers
Speaker 2: of course, Jatavian Sanders, Kate Stover, Theo Johnson a J.
Speaker 3: Barner. It's unchanged, pretty choky. Yeah, I mean they're they're
Speaker 3: not real exciting.
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on Ben Sinnett.
Speaker 3: That's a name people are excited about that. He tested
Speaker 3: really well. They kind of see some use check type,
Speaker 3: you know, h back stuff there and I can see it.
Speaker 2: Okay, now we're getting into the interesting stuff your offensive tackles.
Speaker 2: He has alt number one. He has fa Wa gun
Speaker 2: number two. Wow, Shanu or fashion. I can't get used
Speaker 2: to saying fash and said. Everyone's kind of changed their
Speaker 2: names too, if they weren't hurt enough. He's at three,
Speaker 2: he's got Latham at four, up a spot, and then
Speaker 2: he has Mims down a spot to five.
Speaker 3: So he doesn't pend state on there. No, he's fashion. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have Fatan. He must call him a guard. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: a lot of f's No, I know, they're not easy ones.
Speaker 2: So he's calling him a guard.
Speaker 3: He's better than Mimes. I think so too. I think
Speaker 3: it's cheating to put him at guard, I think because
Speaker 3: then it's just too easy to rank him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's keep an eye on Well, no he doesn't,
Speaker 2: because he's keeping an eye on is Troy fatanho.
Speaker 3: Okay, so he did not have him in the top five. Well,
Speaker 3: I give him credit for at least calling him a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 3: very much.
Speaker 2: That being said, he's a tackle and he's better than Mims.
Speaker 3: I think, so. I think he might even be two
Speaker 3: on that list. I like him more good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interior blockers.
Speaker 3: Graham Barton, Yeah, him and Powers Johnson are close for me.
Speaker 2: But Power Johnson is two.
Speaker 3: Christian Haynes is three, solid, Cooper BB four short arms,
Speaker 3: but he gets away with it. Really good athlete too,
Speaker 3: Zack Zenter five, Frasier probably third.
Speaker 2: He's keep an eye on is Javan Cohen. So Fraser
Speaker 2: didn't make his list.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't understand why. I mean center only, but
Speaker 3: that's not enough for me.
Speaker 2: Edge defenders, he's moved Lay two up the number one.
Speaker 3: Good. I think he's clearly the best football player.
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner bumps down the number two. Jared Versus three,
Speaker 2: Chop Robinson four, Braylen Trice five.
Speaker 3: So I guess he's not calling Darius Robinson edge, which
Speaker 3: that's cheating too. Yeah right, Who's just keep an eye
Speaker 3: on Chris braswell? Yeah, I wish he's keeping eye on.
Speaker 3: We're a little deeper. Yeah, and they're all like second
Speaker 3: round pick.
Speaker 2: All right, maybe saying to keep an eye on because
Speaker 2: they could jump into the jumping jump into the first
Speaker 2: round or something. In some cases they will be in
Speaker 2: a fish front defensive tackles. He's got Byron Murphy now
Speaker 2: number one, jerse On Newton two down the spot, Chris
Speaker 2: Jenkins three, Darius Robinson four, Brandon Dorius bumps into his
Speaker 2: ten to five.
Speaker 3: Everyone says he's going the second round. Him and Robinson,
Speaker 3: they were both tweener is a bad word, but not
Speaker 3: typical d tackles, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: His uh he dropped to Andandre sweat out, which I
Speaker 2: think isn't the second day. And his keep an eye
Speaker 2: on is Leonard Taylor from Miami.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean he has some Son Smith's like traits. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Linebackers, he's got Peyton Wilson now number one, Eddrian Cooper
Speaker 2: moves down to number two, Junior Colson up two spots
Speaker 2: to number three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the standalone three for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then Jeremiah Trotter down moves down to spot the four.
Speaker 2: Cedric Gray moves down to spot the five.
Speaker 3: Trotter could be that guy that goes like in the
Speaker 3: fourth round, everyone's like, what love with them? Well, he's
Speaker 3: a little short and he's not a very good athlete. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Other than that, I mean Aaron it's a good blitzer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he's kind of plug and play, but he
Speaker 3: is what he is.
Speaker 2: He's keeping an eye on is marist Leofu from Notre
Speaker 2: Dame Dame.
Speaker 3: At cornerback.
Speaker 2: Another one that's interesting here, Quinya Mitchell moves up to
Speaker 2: number one.
Speaker 3: In a generic rating. I could understand that one.
Speaker 2: Terry and Arnold bumps down the number two. Nate Wiggans three,
Speaker 2: kool Aid McKinstry four, Enus Raystraw five. So he's calling
Speaker 2: the genus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently that's which I don't know if that's shooting
Speaker 3: or not. That's that's not as fatahuish.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he did slot corners as well, so
Speaker 2: he broke this down.
Speaker 3: He could be keep an eye.
Speaker 2: In fact, if I remember right, he might have been
Speaker 2: the last time we did this. Okay, when you look
Speaker 2: at the top of this cornerbackboard, I kind of outside
Speaker 2: of Mitchell and Arnold, I kind of like the day
Speaker 2: two guys better. Yeah, I don't love what you have
Speaker 2: to pay for those gro I mean McKinstry would be fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if I'm the Lions at the end of round one
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to win right now. Yeah, but I'd
Speaker 2: rather spend forty picks later on Mountain, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on Rinardo Green from Florida STATEO.
Speaker 3: If he does do slots, I think he's more of
Speaker 3: a slot, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's played outside. Yeah, yeah, Nickel, Nickel corners. He's
Speaker 2: got Cooper Degene one, nice, Santa Shrill two, true slot, yeah,
Speaker 2: Max Meltain three, okay, Kamari Lassiter four, dayk one, Hardy five, huh.
Speaker 3: It's nice on Hardy? Yeah, would you take him? I
Speaker 3: can't use a third round pick on him. I don't
Speaker 3: think no. Early day three though, if.
Speaker 2: You're taking a pure slot like that, like the thing
Speaker 2: the thing about like Melton or Drew, they could play outside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna do a lot. Same thing with de Gene. Sure, Hardy.
Speaker 3: I don't think he can play outside in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a pure slot, right.
Speaker 3: I think he's a gunner slot only, and that's to
Speaker 3: me a Day three pick early, but.
Speaker 2: Early day three, Yeah, he's keep an eye on the
Speaker 2: other Florida State corner, Jerry and Jones.
Speaker 3: I like that group. I like to b c Kid mean,
Speaker 3: he said there's a lot of these slot It's sure
Speaker 3: seems like Philip Phillips and Melton are going to be
Speaker 3: pricey of those that group, but there's four or five
Speaker 3: others that would do the trick. You know that you
Speaker 3: don't have to break the bank on it's safety. He has.
Speaker 2: He's unchanged Tyler Nuban, He's got Javon Bullard two, Caleb
Speaker 2: Bullock three, Cameron kinchins for Tyke Smith five. So he's
Speaker 2: not he's not jumping on the Bishop train.
Speaker 3: We don't ever talk about that group all that much,
Speaker 3: but Bullard's are really good player. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 3: just want to give him credit.
Speaker 2: He does a lot of stuff well well and just
Speaker 2: keep an eye on is cool Bishop Okay, I could
Speaker 2: see someone getting very enamored with Bishop.
Speaker 3: He does a lot of good stuff. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of good stuff. Yea, yeah, that is Bucky Brooks. Don't
Speaker 3: have much argument with that top top five.
Speaker 2: Guys at each position there and I get like I
Speaker 2: did the last I like how he breaks that down
Speaker 2: into slot receivers and slot cornerbacks because they're essentially starters.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they are a little different. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean there's you're gonna view them differently. There are some
Speaker 3: like a Melton that could be in both. And you know,
Speaker 3: some of the receivers could be.
Speaker 2: To me, I wish and I do this when I
Speaker 2: when I break things down, give me three four defensive
Speaker 2: ends versus four to three defensive tackles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are different positions.
Speaker 2: They are, but less than they used to be. I mean,
Speaker 2: but I I still don't want to A six foot
Speaker 2: nose is a lot different. Yeah, I don't want a
Speaker 2: six foot two, three and thirty pound defensive end in
Speaker 2: a four to three or three four I should say.
Speaker 3: No, I hear you. And again, like the three hundred
Speaker 3: and forty pound nose isn't for every team either, that's
Speaker 3: for sure. The whole front seven gets a little convoluted. Well,
Speaker 3: the whole front defensive line too. Yeah, I mean even edges.
Speaker 2: When you you know when people call Darius Darius Robinson
Speaker 2: an edge, well he looks a lot different from.
Speaker 3: Pick a guy. Yeah, right without qu chop Robinson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look like you played the same you know,
Speaker 2: the same position.
Speaker 3: Then they don't. I mean that's the thing is they
Speaker 3: won't won't be for everybody either, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like Robinson to me is a niner where you just
Speaker 3: beat people, like an Eric Armstead type or a Raven
Speaker 3: where those move him around a ton. I mean, Steelers
Speaker 3: will be fine too. I mean I don't think he's
Speaker 3: a one for one for Cam Hayward. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want him to Cam moves into the nose.
Speaker 3: He could like that. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Though, he's two hundred and eighty five pounds.
Speaker 3: I drink, you get the two ninety five.
Speaker 2: I think back to when they drafted Brett Keesel Aaron Smith.
Speaker 2: Those guys were two hundred eight eighty five pounds.
Speaker 3: I think athlete was actually a lot lighter. They were
Speaker 3: athletes sixty years Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's wanted a big athlete that you think is
Speaker 2: it has a frame that can handle getting up to
Speaker 2: especially the.
Speaker 3: Way the D line's constructed now and then keisl and
Speaker 3: Smith were not day one starters or ever thought to be.
Speaker 3: You know, they were projects that fit the mold, that
Speaker 3: will bulk up and learn. And I think that's where
Speaker 3: I mean if it's if a Steelers ended up with Robinson,
Speaker 3: would he play more or less snaps than Benton did
Speaker 3: last year?
Speaker 2: Less because they had an injury in front of Benton
Speaker 2: that Benton didn't play a ton You would hope that
Speaker 2: you're but he played. He was right around fifty percent though,
Speaker 2: you know when it was all said and done, When
Speaker 2: it was all said and done, That's what I was
Speaker 2: kind of thinking was would he be a fifty percent player?
Speaker 2: I don't think he would because they got they've got
Speaker 2: better depth ahead of him now because they have Benton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but injuries will occur, of course, But I would
Speaker 3: think you'd want less than fifty percent. But the way
Speaker 3: you get him, though, is it like twenty five six,
Speaker 3: twenty seven, you know, in that neighborhood, And do you
Speaker 3: want a fifty percent player as your first rounder? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean can't. Hey, Cam Hayward didn't barely played it
Speaker 2: all his first two years. People were talking about him
Speaker 2: as a bust, right.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I mean, and the guys ahead of him
Speaker 3: would be good obviously, I mean assuming I mean Ogunjobi
Speaker 3: being the mix. Bent would be in the mix, I
Speaker 3: mean the best. He's your fourth d Lineman as a
Speaker 3: rookie first round type pick. I don't know that I
Speaker 3: could go there. Yeah, you know what I mean. If
Speaker 3: it's him versus Barton, right, or.
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna play and play a lot right away.
Speaker 3: Maybe you'd love to have him. He'd love to groom him.
Speaker 3: But it's a lot to ask.
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Speaker 2: He put together a list of nine candidates who should
Speaker 2: be traded during the twenty twenty four draft.
Speaker 3: I bet there's quite a few. I missed this one
Speaker 3: that's interesting to me. His first guy is Zach Wilson. Yeah, Jets,
Speaker 3: I mean you're gonna get like a six round pick
Speaker 3: or something. But somebody had a decent grade on him.
Speaker 2: You know you missed out on a quarterback. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 2: we just need a we need a guy.
Speaker 3: We need a guy come in here. Maybe you can
Speaker 3: rejuvenate your career. But that would be good for everybody. Uh.
Speaker 2: His next guy on here Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me either. If the Saints, the
Speaker 3: Saints could easily draft a running back. They drafted Kendrick
Speaker 3: Miller last year.
Speaker 2: Maybe they draft Jalen Wright and just replace a Tennessee
Speaker 2: Tennessee guy.
Speaker 3: That would make sense because I mean they have always
Speaker 3: his cap problems. He's not cheap. He came in and
Speaker 3: he did some good things off his suspension last year,
Speaker 3: but all in all is a ball carrier. He dwindled quickly.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't cost much yeah, I mean, could the Bills
Speaker 3: add him to the equation or something like that, they'd
Speaker 3: almost have to eat unk.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you're you're gonna have to eat some
Speaker 2: of that contract to get rid of HM because nobody's
Speaker 2: gonna pay him nineteen million dollars.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's nuts. I wonder if he's even a
Speaker 3: cap casualty maybe first June first or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3: Sounds eight. I mean, he's a phenomenal player. I just
Speaker 3: don't want to give him up from the Niners.
Speaker 2: Unless something, Let's say, for example, they get to they
Speaker 2: get to the end of the first round and Donnie
Speaker 2: Mitchell is there or Brian Thomas is there for them, Well,
Speaker 2: then I can see them saying, Okay, we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna draft this guy.
Speaker 3: And yeah move on for Mayuk or that you know
Speaker 3: Thomas is there. When the Jags pick at seventeen and
Speaker 3: they take seventeen and send them my up. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I understand it that could you know, that could
Speaker 3: be something that it makes you a lesser football team
Speaker 3: this year anyway you cut it. But he's going to
Speaker 3: be expensive. I mean, he'd be very expense. He's maybe
Speaker 3: more than Devonte Smith did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fifty again. His fifty year option is fourteen
Speaker 2: point one million.
Speaker 3: That's a bargain. That's a bargain.
Speaker 2: But he wants He's an one new deal.
Speaker 3: Twenty seven ish probably right, which I think he's worth. Like,
Speaker 3: to be honest, if the Steelers traded for him, the
Speaker 3: contract stuff doesn't worry me as much as the compensation,
Speaker 3: you know, and the combination of both is an issue.
Speaker 3: But he's worth the money.
Speaker 2: Higgins, I could see it. I think for the same
Speaker 2: reason that I don't know that Ayuk gets traded. I
Speaker 2: don't think Higgins gets traded because they're in it to
Speaker 2: win it this year.
Speaker 3: I think so too. They're just a more frugal organization
Speaker 3: than San Fran, less likely to push their chips in,
Speaker 3: and they have Chase his contract coming up, where Deebo's
Speaker 3: is already in place. I always think of like the Patriots,
Speaker 3: if I am going to take a quarterback at three,
Speaker 3: how about my second round pick to Higgins or next
Speaker 3: year second for Higgins and another situation. But the only
Speaker 3: way I'm moving them is if Brian Thomas is there
Speaker 3: at eighteen. Yeah, you know, then you saw those guys.
Speaker 2: I think if I'm the Bengals, though, I want I
Speaker 2: want something this year. I'm not trading him for a
Speaker 2: pick next year. I could just wait and do that
Speaker 2: and get a third next year. Okay, it's around later.
Speaker 3: But or if the Giants go question and help me
Speaker 3: win this year, would you take you know, take an
Speaker 3: early second from the Giants or Patriots? It's not bad, Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that's better than what you'll a year from though, right,
Speaker 3: especially if if Thomas or somebody lands in your lap
Speaker 3: at eighteen without a doubt. Rashad Bateman, Wow, huh, he's
Speaker 3: twenty four. Yeah. I don't think his songs written yet. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I could see them kind of being upset with them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he hadn't done it almost fifty year option time, which
Speaker 3: seems amazing.
Speaker 2: He had thirty two catches for three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: seven yards last year that rank sixth on the team
Speaker 2: in both categories.
Speaker 3: But where does that leave at receiver? Besides they fly, well,
Speaker 3: they're probably going drafts another one, I would think, no
Speaker 3: matter what. Yeah, they have a lot of needs too.
Speaker 3: What do you can get back for him? Fifth? Fifth? Maybe? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's making first round money, it'd make some cap space.
Speaker 3: But I don't know. But you're not going to pick
Speaker 3: up his option to have a great year? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: probably not.
Speaker 2: And it's it's that time.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if you're if you're not going
Speaker 3: to pick up his option, those guys go pretty cheap.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Now you're looking at the Patrick Queen situation again here.
Speaker 2: So if he if he, if you don't pick up
Speaker 2: the option and he goes out and plays well.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four, I should say,
Speaker 3: really well to deserve a receiver of fifth year options.
Speaker 2: But it's already up. You can't do it then, way,
Speaker 2: so he's gone. Either way, you're either gonna you either
Speaker 2: don't want him around after the after the year four
Speaker 2: because you didn't pick up the fifty year option and
Speaker 2: he hasn't been good enough, or you know, you pick
Speaker 2: up the fifty year option, but and he's good and
Speaker 2: he's you know, or yeah, or it's it's a no
Speaker 2: win situation for the team, so you might as well
Speaker 2: trade him.
Speaker 3: I guess you telling me you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't find a rookie in this year's draft. They
Speaker 2: can get thirty two catches for three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: seven yards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think he's worth more than a six.
Speaker 3: The same conversation with Higgins and Ayuk too, Like I'm
Speaker 3: trying to win Super Bowl this year. Six round pick,
Speaker 3: fifth round pick doesn't get me there as much as
Speaker 3: Bateman does.
Speaker 2: Your six round pick might be Pooka ni Kua might,
Speaker 2: but I'll bank them, bab might be Antonio Brown pick.
Speaker 3: Right, they have a lot of needs. I some want
Speaker 3: to create another one. I from that.
Speaker 2: I mean, they know him way more about Bateman than anybody,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Bet they don't leve him right now. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: there's there's nothing to hang your hat on with what
Speaker 3: he's done.
Speaker 2: The pros and they may look at it and say,
Speaker 2: we need to get Isaiah likely more in the field.
Speaker 3: We might do that's common, Yeah, we Yeah, twelve. I
Speaker 3: think that's definitely coming. So sneaky one. I never thought
Speaker 3: about it. Uh.
Speaker 2: Trailing Burk's another one of those guys.
Speaker 3: And that one I've been asked about a bunch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's been so miscast. I never loved them coming out
Speaker 3: of Arkansas because he's kind of gadgety. But they tried
Speaker 3: to make him a number one line up at X
Speaker 3: outside the numbers and run big boy routes. That's not
Speaker 3: what he is. And he failed, and then he's been hurt,
Speaker 3: and then they have no line, then they've bagged quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: I would take it. I'll give you a fifth round
Speaker 3: pick for him, and I'd use him as a power slot.
Speaker 2: That's what he is, what he should be, closer to
Speaker 2: the ball, big body guy, get him the ball quick.
Speaker 3: That interests me, I mean as a buyer. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I could see them moving on for him for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they just spent big money on two receivers.
Speaker 2: On the defensive side of things. Well, here he is again,
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker, You're in this situation last year.
Speaker 3: Right, right. He's expensive, he's good, and he's on a
Speaker 3: bad team.
Speaker 2: Patrick Certain, you're giving up two first round picks, you get,
Speaker 2: Patrick Certain?
Speaker 3: I would think, I think we've had this conversation. But
Speaker 3: if a genie came out of the bottle and said, hey, Matt,
Speaker 3: you could be the GM of any team in the league,
Speaker 3: the Broncos be my last choice. I think they're a
Speaker 3: total disaster.
Speaker 2: See that's why they should trade pets. They should say
Speaker 2: I need to blow it up any anybody that I
Speaker 2: can get stuff for.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Everything must go so no, but there are no players
Speaker 2: on my roster that I look at and say I
Speaker 2: can't trade him.
Speaker 3: They don't have a second round pick this year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, so Wilson, Russell Wilson and Sean Payton are
Speaker 3: costing them three first and three seconds. And then I
Speaker 3: have a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a quarterback.
Speaker 3: They have a coach, but they have like nothing else,
Speaker 3: even like Garrett Bowles is up after the year. Like
Speaker 3: I think that I would not want to be that
Speaker 3: GM at all. They're not in a position for striking
Speaker 3: distance for a quarterback this year. They don't have the
Speaker 3: second to go get a NIX, you know, in the
Speaker 3: second round. Give me the most I can get, ascertained
Speaker 3: trade bowls for the most I can get. I mean,
Speaker 3: they should clean house completely. And remember the trade deadline.
Speaker 3: Everyone thought, oh they're going to clean everything out. They
Speaker 3: should have and they didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's just the way it goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you could get least a first for certain, yeah,
Speaker 3: more than probably. How about this one?
Speaker 2: And he won't be coming a Pittsburgh. But this is
Speaker 2: interesting Greg Newsome with the Browns.
Speaker 3: He's always been miscast as a slot. He's only twenty
Speaker 3: three years old. He's a good player too. Yeah, why
Speaker 3: do they want to trade him because they don't pick
Speaker 3: a fit with your option, they're going to be fifty
Speaker 3: two million dollars over the cap. Yeah, they went that
Speaker 3: stuff coming up, all right, and they're.
Speaker 2: Not gonna be able to afford to pay him. His
Speaker 2: fifty year option next year will be thirteen point four million, basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could survive without your slot. Yeah, first lot
Speaker 3: that could be doing more. Yeah, maybe I didn't think
Speaker 3: about him and Bateman in the division. These guys that
Speaker 3: could go, they're the same draft class, right Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's fifty year options looming at expensive positions. Mm yeah
Speaker 3: maybe so.
Speaker 2: I mean with of those guys, obviously, you know a
Speaker 2: lot of people have talked about the Steelers and Ayuk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, Kamorrow, you're not gonna be interested in exactly. Frankly,
Speaker 3: if Higgins was in another division, I'd be I'd at
Speaker 3: least be calling. Yeah, there's no chance that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: We don't even talk about it because I think there's
Speaker 3: a zero percent chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's much of a chance that
Speaker 2: Au getstraighted, unless, of course, the Steelers did what we
Speaker 2: just talked about.
Speaker 3: You take I mean, he could play hardball and demand
Speaker 3: the trade and all that stuff, and you would have
Speaker 3: suit like kind of if the Bills could afford him.
Speaker 2: Would you take a Donnie Mitchell at twenty.
Speaker 3: Or Ayuk at twenty and contract.
Speaker 2: And track and trade him for Ayuk?
Speaker 3: I might do that. If I'm both teams for the Steelers,
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Ayuk in a twenty seven million dollar
Speaker 3: contract than Mitchell. If I'm the Niners, I might rather
Speaker 3: Mitchell and not a twenty seven million dollar contract. That
Speaker 3: would be one way to do that in that neighborhood, right, Right,
Speaker 3: he's still sitting there at twenty and they love him.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, but then you don't have attack. I mean,
Speaker 3: then you're not getting one of the tackles. You're not
Speaker 3: get in the center. Love the idea of using a
Speaker 3: first round pick on a receiver, period, right, you know
Speaker 3: we talked about that in segment one. But he's pretty special.
Speaker 3: I mean, Niko Collins and Tyreek Hill were the only
Speaker 3: two that have better yards for route run. He's gotten
Speaker 3: better every year. I think he's twenty fod is that
Speaker 3: what you said? Twenty six? Okay, I think he's a
Speaker 3: top ten receiver, but I hate buying them twice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: picks and money, although the receivers have worked out better
Speaker 3: than other positions.
Speaker 2: But if you spend, if you've already spent the pick
Speaker 2: on a receiver, you're getting better receiver.
Speaker 3: M oh yeah, without question. A name I threw out
Speaker 3: is Courtland Sutton because I think you'd get him really cheap.
Speaker 3: And my logic is, can I get Courtland Sutton for
Speaker 3: like a fifth round pick? And the Denver clean House
Speaker 3: conversation with that about certain And it wouldn't even change
Speaker 3: my draft plan. It would be picking Sutton, Pureceaull Porly
Speaker 3: somebody like that would be my receiver room. Now, his
Speaker 3: contract won't be super friendly. I assume that's what you're
Speaker 3: looking up here.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking up. Yeah, here's why I'm not
Speaker 2: interested in that. Are you paying Courtland Sutton thirteen million dollars?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think he's great, I'm not super he's
Speaker 2: I would also free agent mark.
Speaker 3: He'll also be twenty nine this season. I know he's
Speaker 3: he's not yet.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm hoping he would be injury he had
Speaker 2: the injury stock.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, but it'd be my two did I
Speaker 3: hope to draft past him as a three overspend a
Speaker 3: little bit kind of like you did Alan Robinson, but
Speaker 3: you'd have to eat more of this. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: talking about like a fifth round picker later. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's also got a.
Speaker 3: Up after this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is up after twenty twenty five. He's also
Speaker 2: got a per game active bonus of basically thirty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars per game, which is an extra five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, now you're cooking.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't love the player.
Speaker 2: Thirteen and a half million dollars for Courtland Sutton, I'll
Speaker 2: go fish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have mixed feelings on that. And you'd have
Speaker 3: to be a very cheap pick. You have to be
Speaker 3: very cheap.
Speaker 2: Then I might be interested.
Speaker 3: But maybe they inherit five million of it or something.
Speaker 3: I don't love the player, but running out options.
Speaker 2: Again at thirteen million. Now, now that if the Steelers
Speaker 2: have eleven million dollars in cap space right now as
Speaker 2: we sid here, they got to pay for the rookie class.
Speaker 3: So you're not to worry about space so they can
Speaker 3: make more.
Speaker 2: They can make more. But now you're kicking the can
Speaker 2: down the road for Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 3: That I'm not into it.
Speaker 2: Connor Williams, Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's like you're not
Speaker 2: getting your center that you know, we don't know that
Speaker 2: they got the center taking care of in the draft.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna trade for Courtland Sutton. That that eats
Speaker 3: up all that cap space.
Speaker 2: Now I got to create additional cap space to you know,
Speaker 2: sign my draft picks, have my five or six million
Speaker 2: dollars to take into the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah Joe Hayden becomes available in trading camp or last year,
Speaker 2: you know they signed Kawan Alexander in training camp.
Speaker 3: Well that was a pretty you know at the time
Speaker 3: of potatoes. But I mean the cap situation doesn't worry
Speaker 3: me that much. I think they have a lot of
Speaker 3: cap flexibility. I mean, do I want to use it
Speaker 3: all on Sutton?
Speaker 2: No. I just don't know that Courtland Sutton makes them
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 3: No, But I can't live with what they have there now.
Speaker 3: Even if they added Pearceol in the second round. I
Speaker 3: think they had two in the draft. I think they
Speaker 3: probably will as it stands now, I think he almost
Speaker 3: have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know again, I think a I
Speaker 2: think the number their number two pass catchers on the
Speaker 2: roster already, that's Pat Friarmouth. I think he gets used
Speaker 2: more this year. I think all the tight ends get
Speaker 2: used more this year. Yeah, and be I don't think
Speaker 2: they throw the ball as much. I'm gonna run the
Speaker 2: ball down people's throats.
Speaker 3: They ran the ball a lot last year too, more
Speaker 3: I do, I do too, But I can't live with
Speaker 3: pickings and a bunch of fours and a second and
Speaker 3: fifth round rookie. It's just not good enough. And I
Speaker 3: hear you hear. And I'm not saying Sutton is a superstar,
Speaker 3: but he's a starter. Yeah, I mean he's better than
Speaker 3: buoyed you know those type of guys. Yeah, but you
Speaker 3: know that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: Certainly, Yeah, I mean Sutton at thirteen million dollars is
Speaker 2: certainly better than Boyd at eight.
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely agree on that, right, even if it COSTI
Speaker 3: a six round pick or whatever. Who cares? Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to dig for names. Godwin's another name
Speaker 3: I keep looking at. I mean Devonte Adams.
Speaker 2: I mean, there'll be somebody is going to become available
Speaker 2: after this draft that you didn't think because with such
Speaker 2: and such team drafted dis receiver and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they want to distance themselves from.
Speaker 3: There's a lot that could go down that road. What
Speaker 3: if Dallas takes one high and they want to move
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks, you know, because they're going to pay Ceede
Speaker 3: Lamb or I mean, there's a lot of those type
Speaker 3: of dudes. You know that you'll get cheaper after the fact.
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