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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, according to the drive, I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and Matt the Steelers draft visits

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Speaker 2: are completed.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, Today's the last day is the last day.

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Speaker 2: So today they head in Junior Colson. Interesting, they head

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Speaker 2: in Penn State Center Hunter norse ed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that adds up for sure, even if he wasn't

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Speaker 3: a close guy, which he doesn't count as the freebie visit, right,

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that he does. I don't think. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then they also head in and this is from

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Speaker 2: the International Pathway Program, offensive tackle Travis Clayton, who's from England.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that one I can't comment on.

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Speaker 2: Don't know anything, right, Yeah. So if you look at

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Speaker 2: the overall process here of who they have had in.

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Speaker 3: So it's been released every team's visits, they're done. If

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Speaker 3: you weren't in today or can't come in again, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's finished.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is done.

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Speaker 2: The guys that the Steelers have had in at the

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Speaker 2: wide receiver position, it's been a Donnie Mitchell did you.

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Speaker 3: Hear the news about him today? No? So, Bob McGinn

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Speaker 3: puts out something very good stuff, very good stuff, And

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Speaker 3: the first of the eight part series came out today.

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Speaker 3: I subscribed. I'll send it to you. I haven't even

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Speaker 3: opened it yet, but three different people told me in

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Speaker 3: that report he had Mitchell has a diabetes problem. That

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Speaker 3: and I'm getting a certain hand information. I have not

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Speaker 3: yet read it, but it basically says when my blood

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Speaker 3: sugar is loan, it happens a lot during games. I

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Speaker 3: have a hard time giving all effort. I'm very uncoachable

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Speaker 3: and I know it, and it's a problem for him,

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Speaker 3: you know. And I know some I know, like Mark

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Speaker 3: Andrews and some others have dealt with it and deal

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Speaker 3: with it better. But it's an issue right now. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure people want to get their hands on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, Luke McCaffrey, Okay, it'd be a slot. Malachi Corley,

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Speaker 2: he'd probably be both uh TOAJ Washington, mostly a slot,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Xavierly get more of a downfield outside numbers type,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, good after they catch and Ricky Pearsaw I

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Speaker 3: think he's all the above. So you have a good group.

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Speaker 2: One basically one first round wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Mitchell's the only one you'd consider in

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Speaker 2: Then you're looking at maybe Courley Leget pearsaw is Day

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Speaker 2: two guys agreed, and then McCaffrey and TOAJ Washington more.

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Speaker 3: Round four is four or five. Yeah, and they're the slots,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's not an accident that you're not

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Speaker 3: looking at big prototypical x's at the fifth round. Neighborhood

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Speaker 3: here to get those guys early, Yeah, makes you think

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Speaker 3: that might go for an outside physical die and a

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Speaker 2: Or they're looking day two, day they're not. Look, they're

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Speaker 2: not really looking hard at a wide receiver in round one.

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Speaker 3: A grade agree, Like if Brian Thomas Junior would have

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Speaker 3: been here, I would have been not junior to the

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Speaker 3: second or whatever. Yeah, Yeah, that would have been more

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Speaker 3: of an alarm bell. But I think Mitchell will go

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Speaker 3: in the first round. The chances he ends up with

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh probably slim. Yeah, that may have maybe one two.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was interesting to me, and this may

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Speaker 2: have just been coincidental that the Donnie Mitchell meeting happened

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Speaker 2: right after Steffan Diggs got traded to Houston. Oh yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: like within days, like two days. Hey, Buffalo, we might

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Speaker 2: on the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: A lot of guys. Graham Barton makes all the sense

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Speaker 3: in the world. Mason McCormick also makes all the sense

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Speaker 3: in the world. Hey, how comfortable you play in center,

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Speaker 3: Zach Frazier. You're very comfortable playing s Tyler Geyiton, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think you just want to get to

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Speaker 2: Jackson powers Johnson.

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Speaker 3: These are all the top centers in the draft. Blake Fisher, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Amarus Mims, we know who he is, and he'd

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the linebackers.

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Speaker 2: The only brought two linebackers and they brought Peyton Wilson

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Speaker 2: in and then Junior Colson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting to me. I mean, I guess if

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Speaker 3: the price is right, they would pull the trigger on him.

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Speaker 3: and say that means Holcomb's not going to play for

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Speaker 3: Three, there's probably a They probably love the players, yeah,

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Speaker 3: want to do medical checks on Wilson like crazy, whether

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Speaker 3: four years or whatever. But I don't know that either

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Speaker 3: one will be a Steeler. That seems far fetched, but

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Speaker 3: there is a price you would pay for them. Of course.

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Speaker 3: Defensive lineman Christian.

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Speaker 2: Boyd, we draft him all the time fit. Yeah, Jayden

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Speaker 2: Coremedi from Michigan State. That's a n zippy state I

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Speaker 3: Nose tackle type, yeah. Logan Lee from Iowa. He's not

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Speaker 3: n right. Yeah, Massan Smith, same thing. Sure, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Braden Fisk, that's a weird one for me, but he

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Speaker 2: I he's so active that I don't care that he

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Speaker 3: He's the energizer bunny, right, I mean, like you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he runs like he You watch Cam Young, Cam

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Speaker 3: The energy he brings is very palatable. Yeah, it brings it.

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Speaker 3: there's so many old prospects on this there's nothing you

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Speaker 3: can do about that. Darius Robinson. Okay, so if we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about this on my podcast today, there's either twelve

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of them.

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Speaker 3: He's one of them. He's the one that stood out

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Speaker 3: like is he a first round or not?

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Speaker 2: Now, some other guys turned them down, of course, of.

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Speaker 3: Course, I'm sure something would rather just be at home. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you don't want a guy who's sitting around. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's going to go in first He's going the first round.

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Speaker 3: Hyper said one hundred times in a row. He's going

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Speaker 3: in the first round. So if a Steelers looking at him,

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Speaker 3: it might be twenty or trade down to get him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He's in that range for them that they're just not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about that last on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Beanie Bishop from West Virginia.

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Speaker 3: That's a free d so you muy as well check

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Speaker 3: it out. Max Melton makes all of sense in the world.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a round two guy Nate Wiggins. I don't know

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Speaker 3: he's not super physical. I mean he is a little lighter.

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Speaker 3: I like the player, it's just he's not slot versatile.

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Speaker 3: You'd figure it out. But I mean there's there's a

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Speaker 3: point you'd take him. But he wouldn't be in my

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Speaker 3: top twenty.

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Speaker 2: MJ. Devonshire from pitt that.

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Speaker 3: Was at PREB. But he would also fit in. Andrew

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Speaker 3: Phillips from Kentucky. He's like Melton and day one hardy. Okay,

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Speaker 3: do you agree Melton and Phillips are probably the most

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Speaker 3: likely non Degene Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you might have to at this point,

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Speaker 2: you might have to take them in round two.

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Speaker 3: I think Melton you have to, and Phillips is probably

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Speaker 3: pretty darn close. I don't think you can wait around

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Speaker 3: to the third round for him. They're both great testers too.

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Speaker 3: Everything about this Matt so Pennix never came Everything that

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Speaker 2: Those Yeah, again, that's why you don't listen to Will

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Speaker 2: so and so reporting that they this guy is scheduled

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Speaker 3: Not before Wednesday. They don't come in.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if what visit was scheduled.

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Speaker 3: If they didn't come in, they weren't here. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: where a lot of that kind of stuff is. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I look at this.

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Speaker 2: And outside of the tackles, mm hmm, this screams trade down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does. I mean, I think you

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Speaker 3: want to do all your homework on the Fuaggos of

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Speaker 3: the world. Of course, Hey, we love you. If you're there,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna run to the podium. I hate to say this,

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Speaker 3: and maybe it's just late in the process, you know,

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Speaker 3: overthinking it. I'm not sure the desired tackles are going

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Speaker 3: to make it the twenty. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of them are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wonder you include mimser guiding. I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about the fatanhos Well.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Wiggins there as well, and I look at

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Speaker 2: Wiggins and I look at Mitchell as guys that hey,

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Speaker 3: We're looking at these guys.

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Speaker 2: Ma, if you want to come up, if you really

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Speaker 2: want this guy, you really want that four to nine cornerback,

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Speaker 2: you got to come up and get him.

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Speaker 3: You really want to mention the bills of Mitchell. Maybe

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Speaker 3: one of the eagles could use the corner.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's really looking from them outside corner. And well, we

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Speaker 2: might be an outside. We really like Wiggans better. You

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again I think the centers are mostly trade down,

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Speaker 3: but you could live with them at twenty. So those

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Speaker 3: Where it gets sticky. Yeah, And then what if these

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Speaker 3: I know, and that is definitely Harry for those two.

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Speaker 3: But we did see some things with proder Jones two.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, you've got quarter two quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: But here's a deadline. Yeah, you're going to have this

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Speaker 3: Why I think Dylan Cook could do it for a month.

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Speaker 3: if he really isn't very right tackle capable, there's only

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Speaker 2: Because if again, if we've talked about before his rookie year, yeah,

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Speaker 3: They would do. They would do their first less than

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Speaker 3: working on coming right. You know that stands We like

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Speaker 3: One guy's been around the block but doesn't like the

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Speaker 3: I think it's less. I think McCormick's safer.

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Speaker 2: Because everybody who talks about this switch flip flopping of

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Speaker 3: Is not fun, not fun, very unnatural. It's yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: where right the left where you've practiced every minute of

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Speaker 3: Jones did even more impressive as a rookie. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: So I looked it up here with h the guys

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Speaker 2: Nate Herbig has taken forty nine naps in game at center.

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Speaker 2: Isaac Sayamalu has played thirty four snaps at center, but bro,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't know it's all them all ever, even

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Speaker 3: He has done that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's the only time he played center in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember did he play preseason snaps at center

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Speaker 3: Just can't be played everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was gets you out of the game stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have that flexibility for one of those

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Speaker 2: you've done it before, You've got four months to do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get it ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Right, And if you're a Daniels or a Ciamalu, you'd

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Speaker 2: You're the veteran guy, you're the established did we're giving

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Speaker 2: you money. But your best, if you're putting your best

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Speaker 3: I know, and I've said for a while, I think

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Speaker 3: and Moore's best position might be guard. Well, that still

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Speaker 2: You run your tackles back the way they were last year.

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Speaker 3: It's another option. It's another option. I mean honestly.

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Speaker 3: He's a three year starter. But I don't want to

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Speaker 3: And maybe have a veteran on speed dial that's going

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yeah, like that, I mean

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Speaker 3: not like he's a huge contract, say cost you much, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's very compel. Yeah, it is, and

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Speaker 2: it's all going to play out by what happens well

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Speaker 3: M Yeah, and there are some center options though. I

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Speaker 2: You might still have Connor Williams on speed Doll. He's

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Speaker 3: He's done both.

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Speaker 2: the Combine said, position flexibility always has been important to me.

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Speaker 2: We have guys who are center capable. But that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean we aren't going to look at free agency, at

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Speaker 2: the trade market, at the draft process. There are good

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Speaker 3: Coach Sallins said that forever on the other line. Yes,

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Speaker 2: It screams Graham Barton, because he might he might be

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Speaker 3: He might be your center. I'd be uncomfort dribble him

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that that position of flexibility is something

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Speaker 3: Daniels Sayamalo guys.

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Speaker 2: Who play multiple positions, that's what they've targeted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if they've ever had intentions for

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Speaker 2: They signed Cole at the same time that they signed Daniels.

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Speaker 3: I think the Herbig thing and Cole had played booth.

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Speaker 2: He had played Garden center, but he felt he was

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Speaker 3: So back to about five minutes ago, rewind. I also

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, but I could live with Norzad

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Speaker 3: as a fourth round pick and be in the mix.

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Speaker 3: Is my opening day starter? Yeah? Interesting, that's what happens.

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Speaker 2: If you drafts what you draft a tackle in the

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Speaker 2: first round, then you're then you're in the then you're

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Speaker 2: playing that fourth round if you don't get Frasier.

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Speaker 3: Most likely, which you probably won't, right, And would you

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Speaker 3: go back Tobacco lineman? That would be tough. It'd be

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Speaker 3: tough with the receiver. You're gonna pass on the receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's Harry. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: NFL dot Com, Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 3: Is updated his top ive.

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Speaker 2: Well did it good at each player position?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a look at what Bucky

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Speaker 2: now has here at quarterback. His his rankings are Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, Drake May, Michael Pennix. So it's pretty chocky,

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Speaker 2: but okay, ahead of JJ McCarthy, who bumped down a spot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I do see why people like Pennix. I have

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Speaker 3: some reservations though. I mean there's some things he does

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Speaker 3: really well, but there's also some things that he the

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Speaker 3: numbers kind of hide like. I don't think he's as

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Speaker 3: accurate as given credit for. I mean, he makes a

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Speaker 3: lot of the high difficulty throws, but he also is

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Speaker 3: not a pinpoint placement guy. He ran a great forty,

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Speaker 3: but he doesn't played like an athlete or an improv guy.

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Speaker 2: And then the interesting thing, that's what people said about

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Speaker 2: c J. Stroud too, And yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's great to know he can, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's got that in his his back pocket that I'd

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Speaker 2: rather have that. I'd rather have that club in my

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Speaker 2: bed than Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean is that his style? It wasn't Strouds either,

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Speaker 3: but at least you have it.

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Speaker 2: He might be running like that if he's chased by TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt. Yeah. So the other thing too. Everyone's so big

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Speaker 3: on pressure to sack ratio. That's like the hottest metric

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Speaker 3: of the year, all of a sudden, and he's the

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Speaker 3: best by far in the league with it. But I

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Speaker 3: saw someone take it to the next level and said, Okay,

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Speaker 3: so he doesn't take sacks when he's pressured, but he's

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Speaker 3: the worst guy of all these in terms of production

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Speaker 3: when pressure. Yeah, so, okay.

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Speaker 2: He didn't take a sack, he didn't take a negative,

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Speaker 2: but he didn't turn it into anything good either.

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Speaker 3: I think that can get better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean sacks are not taking the sack

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Speaker 2: is a big part of right, Like you're not taking

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Speaker 2: the negative play, you just throw the ball away.

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Speaker 3: The Calebs of the world, they may take some sacks,

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Speaker 3: but then they also abuse pressure when they are under pressure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's keep an eye on his bone. Nixt and

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Speaker 2: no real surprise there. That's his top that's top six

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Speaker 2: guys running back Jonathan Brook one. I'm leaning that way too,

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Speaker 2: Trey Benson too. I think they're the top two. Jalen

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Speaker 2: Right three, different style, but sure Blake Korum four, will

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Speaker 2: Shipley five, that's unchanged.

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Speaker 3: Shipley doesn't do it for me. But there's also not

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Speaker 3: a ton of candidates there that I'd be doing cart

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Speaker 3: wheels over.

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Speaker 2: He's keep an eye on his Bucky Irving.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I like the I like estimate a lot a

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Speaker 3: lot of specialty backs. Yeah, those last two are real,

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Speaker 3: just like pass catcher types. Yeah, you know it's not

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Speaker 3: a great class wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: He has Marvin Harrison, Roma doon Z Melek Neighbors, Brian Thomas,

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Speaker 2: Keon Coleman is his five. He bumped Thomas up a spot,

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Speaker 2: move Coleman down.

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Speaker 3: I think the top four are pretty easy. I'm surprised

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Speaker 3: he didn't have Thomas higher yea from the start. But people,

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Speaker 3: Coleman's got a lot of mixed opinions.

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Speaker 2: Now that's just his outside those are his wide receivers

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Speaker 2: he designates as well. Okay, so it's a little different,

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Speaker 2: but those are I mean, if we're looking just at

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Speaker 2: the at the top pure outside receivers.

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Speaker 3: See, I think Coleman's a big slot though, is the

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Speaker 3: best way to eat like a Marquis Colston type, like

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Speaker 3: a bigger Juju.

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Speaker 2: I could use him outside the numbers, you can.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's big, but he's not as great as

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Speaker 3: getting off press man.

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Speaker 2: I don't care because he just goes up and beats

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Speaker 2: people up and you go get the football. That's I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's he will play above the rim.

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Speaker 3: Oh and there's no question about that. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye on as Troy Franklin.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I do think he's more outside than slot, even

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Speaker 3: though he's small.

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Speaker 2: His slot receivers top five lad Mconkey, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: as we overlap Ricky Piersoll.

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Speaker 3: I think he also does both very well. Roman Wilson.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a pure slot.

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Speaker 2: Malachi Corley better from the slot. I mean Malik Washington.

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Speaker 2: Malik Washington to me, there's some Steve Smith in his game.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm a fan. He is a tough, tough little dude.

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Speaker 2: He's also got the d Yeah, he breaks tackles. He's

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Speaker 2: tax he's just a shade under five to nine, but

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Speaker 2: he's like one hundred ninety five.

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Speaker 3: Pounds, have long arms. Yeah. I mean, I think he's

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Speaker 3: a really good player. He's coming off a great year.

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Speaker 2: And he's keep an eye on his Jacob Cowing another

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Speaker 2: rout runner tight Yeah. Uh his tight ends Rock Bauers

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Speaker 2: of course, Jatavian Sanders, Kate Stover, Theo Johnson a J.

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Speaker 3: Barner. It's unchanged, pretty choky. Yeah, I mean they're they're

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Speaker 3: not real exciting.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye on Ben Sinnett.

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Speaker 3: That's a name people are excited about that. He tested

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Speaker 3: really well. They kind of see some use check type,

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Speaker 3: you know, h back stuff there and I can see it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now we're getting into the interesting stuff your offensive tackles.

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Speaker 2: He has alt number one. He has fa Wa gun

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Speaker 2: number two. Wow, Shanu or fashion. I can't get used

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Speaker 2: to saying fash and said. Everyone's kind of changed their

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Speaker 2: names too, if they weren't hurt enough. He's at three,

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Speaker 2: he's got Latham at four, up a spot, and then

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Speaker 2: he has Mims down a spot to five.

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Speaker 3: So he doesn't pend state on there. No, he's fashion. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't have Fatan. He must call him a guard. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: a lot of f's No, I know, they're not easy ones.

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Speaker 2: So he's calling him a guard.

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Speaker 3: He's better than Mimes. I think so too. I think

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Speaker 3: it's cheating to put him at guard, I think because

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Speaker 3: then it's just too easy to rank him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's keep an eye on Well, no he doesn't,

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Speaker 2: because he's keeping an eye on is Troy fatanho.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so he did not have him in the top five. Well,

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Speaker 3: I give him credit for at least calling him a tackle. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: very much.

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Speaker 2: That being said, he's a tackle and he's better than Mims.

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Speaker 3: I think, so. I think he might even be two

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Speaker 3: on that list. I like him more good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interior blockers.

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Speaker 3: Graham Barton, Yeah, him and Powers Johnson are close for me.

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Speaker 2: But Power Johnson is two.

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Speaker 3: Christian Haynes is three, solid, Cooper BB four short arms,

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Speaker 3: but he gets away with it. Really good athlete too,

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Speaker 3: Zack Zenter five, Frasier probably third.

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Speaker 2: He's keep an eye on is Javan Cohen. So Fraser

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Speaker 2: didn't make his list.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't understand why. I mean center only, but

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Speaker 3: that's not enough for me.

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Speaker 2: Edge defenders, he's moved Lay two up the number one.

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Speaker 3: Good. I think he's clearly the best football player.

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00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: Dallas Turner bumps down the number two. Jared Versus three,

588
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: Chop Robinson four, Braylen Trice five.

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Speaker 3: So I guess he's not calling Darius Robinson edge, which

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Speaker 3: that's cheating too. Yeah right, Who's just keep an eye

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Speaker 3: on Chris braswell? Yeah, I wish he's keeping eye on.

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Speaker 3: We're a little deeper. Yeah, and they're all like second

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Speaker 3: round pick.

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Speaker 2: All right, maybe saying to keep an eye on because

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Speaker 2: they could jump into the jumping jump into the first

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Speaker 2: round or something. In some cases they will be in

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Speaker 2: a fish front defensive tackles. He's got Byron Murphy now

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Speaker 2: number one, jerse On Newton two down the spot, Chris

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Speaker 2: Jenkins three, Darius Robinson four, Brandon Dorius bumps into his

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Speaker 2: ten to five.

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Speaker 3: Everyone says he's going the second round. Him and Robinson,

602
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Speaker 3: they were both tweener is a bad word, but not

603
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Speaker 3: typical d tackles, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: His uh he dropped to Andandre sweat out, which I

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Speaker 2: think isn't the second day. And his keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on is Leonard Taylor from Miami.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean he has some Son Smith's like traits. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Linebackers, he's got Peyton Wilson now number one, Eddrian Cooper

609
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Speaker 2: moves down to number two, Junior Colson up two spots

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Speaker 2: to number three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the standalone three for me. Yeah.

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00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: Then Jeremiah Trotter down moves down to spot the four.

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00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Cedric Gray moves down to spot the five.

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Speaker 3: Trotter could be that guy that goes like in the

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Speaker 3: fourth round, everyone's like, what love with them? Well, he's

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Speaker 3: a little short and he's not a very good athlete. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Other than that, I mean Aaron it's a good blitzer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's kind of plug and play, but he

619
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Speaker 3: is what he is.

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Speaker 2: He's keeping an eye on is marist Leofu from Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame Dame.

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Speaker 3: At cornerback.

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Speaker 2: Another one that's interesting here, Quinya Mitchell moves up to

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Speaker 2: number one.

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Speaker 3: In a generic rating. I could understand that one.

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Speaker 2: Terry and Arnold bumps down the number two. Nate Wiggans three,

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Speaker 2: kool Aid McKinstry four, Enus Raystraw five. So he's calling

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Speaker 2: the genus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently that's which I don't know if that's shooting

630
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Speaker 3: or not. That's that's not as fatahuish.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think he did slot corners as well, so

632
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Speaker 2: he broke this down.

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Speaker 3: He could be keep an eye.

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00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: In fact, if I remember right, he might have been

635
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Speaker 2: the last time we did this. Okay, when you look

636
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Speaker 2: at the top of this cornerbackboard, I kind of outside

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Speaker 2: of Mitchell and Arnold, I kind of like the day

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Speaker 2: two guys better. Yeah, I don't love what you have

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Speaker 2: to pay for those gro I mean McKinstry would be fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if I'm the Lions at the end of round one

641
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Speaker 2: and I'm trying to win right now. Yeah, but I'd

642
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Speaker 2: rather spend forty picks later on Mountain, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye on Rinardo Green from Florida STATEO.

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Speaker 3: If he does do slots, I think he's more of

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Speaker 3: a slot, but that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's played outside. Yeah, yeah, Nickel, Nickel corners. He's

648
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: got Cooper Degene one, nice, Santa Shrill two, true slot, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Max Meltain three, okay, Kamari Lassiter four, dayk one, Hardy five, huh.

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Speaker 3: It's nice on Hardy? Yeah, would you take him? I

651
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Speaker 3: can't use a third round pick on him. I don't

652
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: think no. Early day three though, if.

653
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: You're taking a pure slot like that, like the thing

654
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: the thing about like Melton or Drew, they could play outside.

655
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna do a lot. Same thing with de Gene. Sure, Hardy.

656
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: I don't think he can play outside in the NFL.

657
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a pure slot, right.

658
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: I think he's a gunner slot only, and that's to

659
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: me a Day three pick early, but.

660
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: Early day three, Yeah, he's keep an eye on the

661
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: other Florida State corner, Jerry and Jones.

662
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: I like that group. I like to b c Kid mean,

663
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: he said there's a lot of these slot It's sure

664
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: seems like Philip Phillips and Melton are going to be

665
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: pricey of those that group, but there's four or five

666
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: others that would do the trick. You know that you

667
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: don't have to break the bank on it's safety. He has.

668
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: He's unchanged Tyler Nuban, He's got Javon Bullard two, Caleb

669
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: Bullock three, Cameron kinchins for Tyke Smith five. So he's

670
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: not he's not jumping on the Bishop train.

671
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: We don't ever talk about that group all that much,

672
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: but Bullard's are really good player. Yeah, I mean, I

673
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: just want to give him credit.

674
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: He does a lot of stuff well well and just

675
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: keep an eye on is cool Bishop Okay, I could

676
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: see someone getting very enamored with Bishop.

677
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: He does a lot of good stuff. There's a lot

678
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: of good stuff. Yea, yeah, that is Bucky Brooks. Don't

679
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: have much argument with that top top five.

680
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Guys at each position there and I get like I

681
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 2: did the last I like how he breaks that down

682
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: into slot receivers and slot cornerbacks because they're essentially starters.

683
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they are a little different. Yeah, I

684
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: mean there's you're gonna view them differently. There are some

685
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: like a Melton that could be in both. And you know,

686
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: some of the receivers could be.

687
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: To me, I wish and I do this when I

688
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: when I break things down, give me three four defensive

689
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: ends versus four to three defensive tackles.

690
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are different positions.

691
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: They are, but less than they used to be. I mean,

692
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: but I I still don't want to A six foot

693
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: nose is a lot different. Yeah, I don't want a

694
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: six foot two, three and thirty pound defensive end in

695
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: a four to three or three four I should say.

696
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: No, I hear you. And again, like the three hundred

697
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: and forty pound nose isn't for every team either, that's

698
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: for sure. The whole front seven gets a little convoluted. Well,

699
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: the whole front defensive line too. Yeah, I mean even edges.

700
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: When you you know when people call Darius Darius Robinson

701
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: an edge, well he looks a lot different from.

702
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: Pick a guy. Yeah, right without qu chop Robinson.

703
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look like you played the same you know,

704
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: the same position.

705
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: Then they don't. I mean that's the thing is they

706
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: won't won't be for everybody either, you know what I mean.

707
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: Like Robinson to me is a niner where you just

708
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: beat people, like an Eric Armstead type or a Raven

709
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: where those move him around a ton. I mean, Steelers

710
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: will be fine too. I mean I don't think he's

711
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: a one for one for Cam Hayward. Yeah, I mean

712
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want him to Cam moves into the nose.

713
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: He could like that. But here's the thing.

714
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: Though, he's two hundred and eighty five pounds.

715
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: I drink, you get the two ninety five.

716
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: I think back to when they drafted Brett Keesel Aaron Smith.

717
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: Those guys were two hundred eight eighty five pounds.

718
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: I think athlete was actually a lot lighter. They were

719
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: athletes sixty years Yeah.

720
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's wanted a big athlete that you think is

721
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: it has a frame that can handle getting up to

722
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: especially the.

723
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: Way the D line's constructed now and then keisl and

724
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: Smith were not day one starters or ever thought to be.

725
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: You know, they were projects that fit the mold, that

726
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: will bulk up and learn. And I think that's where

727
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: I mean if it's if a Steelers ended up with Robinson,

728
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: would he play more or less snaps than Benton did

729
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: last year?

730
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: Less because they had an injury in front of Benton

731
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: that Benton didn't play a ton You would hope that

732
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: you're but he played. He was right around fifty percent though,

733
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: you know when it was all said and done, When

734
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: it was all said and done, That's what I was

735
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: kind of thinking was would he be a fifty percent player?

736
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't think he would because they got they've got

737
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: better depth ahead of him now because they have Benton.

738
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, but injuries will occur, of course, But I would

739
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: think you'd want less than fifty percent. But the way

740
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: you get him, though, is it like twenty five six,

741
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: twenty seven, you know, in that neighborhood, And do you

742
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: want a fifty percent player as your first rounder? Right? Yeah?

743
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: I mean can't. Hey, Cam Hayward didn't barely played it

744
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: all his first two years. People were talking about him

745
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: as a bust, right.

746
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I mean, and the guys ahead of him

747
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: would be good obviously, I mean assuming I mean Ogunjobi

748
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: being the mix. Bent would be in the mix, I

749
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: mean the best. He's your fourth d Lineman as a

750
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: rookie first round type pick. I don't know that I

751
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: could go there. Yeah, you know what I mean. If

752
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: it's him versus Barton, right, or.

753
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna play and play a lot right away.

754
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: Maybe you'd love to have him. He'd love to groom him.

755
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: But it's a lot to ask.

756
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get through another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

757
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,800
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758
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Speaker 2: Matt on the thirty third team. Jeff Diamond, former NFL executive.

773
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: He put together a list of nine candidates who should

774
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: be traded during the twenty twenty four draft.

775
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: I bet there's quite a few. I missed this one

776
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: that's interesting to me. His first guy is Zach Wilson. Yeah, Jets,

777
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: I mean you're gonna get like a six round pick

778
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: or something. But somebody had a decent grade on him.

779
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: You know you missed out on a quarterback. Yeah, Hey,

780
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: we just need a we need a guy.

781
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: We need a guy come in here. Maybe you can

782
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: rejuvenate your career. But that would be good for everybody. Uh.

783
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: His next guy on here Alvin Kamara.

784
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me either. If the Saints, the

785
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: Saints could easily draft a running back. They drafted Kendrick

786
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: Miller last year.

787
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: Maybe they draft Jalen Wright and just replace a Tennessee

788
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: Tennessee guy.

789
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: That would make sense because I mean they have always

790
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: his cap problems. He's not cheap. He came in and

791
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 3: he did some good things off his suspension last year,

792
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: but all in all is a ball carrier. He dwindled quickly.

793
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: He wouldn't cost much yeah, I mean, could the Bills

794
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 3: add him to the equation or something like that, they'd

795
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 3: almost have to eat unk.

796
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you're you're gonna have to eat some

797
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: of that contract to get rid of HM because nobody's

798
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 2: gonna pay him nineteen million dollars.

799
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 3: No, No, it's nuts. I wonder if he's even a

800
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: cap casualty maybe first June first or whatever.

801
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: You know, Brandon Ayuk.

802
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: Sounds eight. I mean, he's a phenomenal player. I just

803
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: don't want to give him up from the Niners.

804
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: Unless something, Let's say, for example, they get to they

805
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: get to the end of the first round and Donnie

806
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: Mitchell is there or Brian Thomas is there for them, Well,

807
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: then I can see them saying, Okay, we're gonna we're

808
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: gonna draft this guy.

809
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: And yeah move on for Mayuk or that you know

810
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: Thomas is there. When the Jags pick at seventeen and

811
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: they take seventeen and send them my up. Yeah, I

812
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: mean I understand it that could you know, that could

813
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: be something that it makes you a lesser football team

814
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 3: this year anyway you cut it. But he's going to

815
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: be expensive. I mean, he'd be very expense. He's maybe

816
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: more than Devonte Smith did.

817
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fifty again. His fifty year option is fourteen

818
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: point one million.

819
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: That's a bargain. That's a bargain.

820
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: But he wants He's an one new deal.

821
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: Twenty seven ish probably right, which I think he's worth. Like,

822
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: to be honest, if the Steelers traded for him, the

823
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: contract stuff doesn't worry me as much as the compensation,

824
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 3: you know, and the combination of both is an issue.

825
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: But he's worth the money.

826
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: Higgins, I could see it. I think for the same

827
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: reason that I don't know that Ayuk gets traded. I

828
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: don't think Higgins gets traded because they're in it to

829
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: win it this year.

830
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: I think so too. They're just a more frugal organization

831
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: than San Fran, less likely to push their chips in,

832
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 3: and they have Chase his contract coming up, where Deebo's

833
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: is already in place. I always think of like the Patriots,

834
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: if I am going to take a quarterback at three,

835
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: how about my second round pick to Higgins or next

836
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: year second for Higgins and another situation. But the only

837
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: way I'm moving them is if Brian Thomas is there

838
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: at eighteen. Yeah, you know, then you saw those guys.

839
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: I think if I'm the Bengals, though, I want I

840
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: want something this year. I'm not trading him for a

841
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: pick next year. I could just wait and do that

842
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: and get a third next year. Okay, it's around later.

843
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: But or if the Giants go question and help me

844
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: win this year, would you take you know, take an

845
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: early second from the Giants or Patriots? It's not bad, Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

846
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: I mean that's better than what you'll a year from though, right,

847
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: especially if if Thomas or somebody lands in your lap

848
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: at eighteen without a doubt. Rashad Bateman, Wow, huh, he's

849
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: twenty four. Yeah. I don't think his songs written yet. Yeah, yeah,

850
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: I could see them kind of being upset with them. Yeah,

851
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 3: he hadn't done it almost fifty year option time, which

852
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: seems amazing.

853
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: He had thirty two catches for three hundred and sixty

854
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: seven yards last year that rank sixth on the team

855
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: in both categories.

856
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: But where does that leave at receiver? Besides they fly, well,

857
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: they're probably going drafts another one, I would think, no

858
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: matter what. Yeah, they have a lot of needs too.

859
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: What do you can get back for him? Fifth? Fifth? Maybe? Yeah? Yeah,

860
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: he's making first round money, it'd make some cap space.

861
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: But I don't know. But you're not going to pick

862
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 3: up his option to have a great year? Yeah, yeah,

863
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: probably not.

864
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: And it's it's that time.

865
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if you're if you're not going

866
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: to pick up his option, those guys go pretty cheap.

867
00:40:59,680 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: You know.

868
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: Now you're looking at the Patrick Queen situation again here.

869
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: So if he if he, if you don't pick up

870
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: the option and he goes out and plays well.

871
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four, I should say,

872
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: really well to deserve a receiver of fifth year options.

873
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: But it's already up. You can't do it then, way,

874
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: so he's gone. Either way, you're either gonna you either

875
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: don't want him around after the after the year four

876
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: because you didn't pick up the fifty year option and

877
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: he hasn't been good enough, or you know, you pick

878
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: up the fifty year option, but and he's good and

879
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: he's you know, or yeah, or it's it's a no

880
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: win situation for the team, so you might as well

881
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: trade him.

882
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 3: I guess you telling me you can't.

883
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: You can't find a rookie in this year's draft. They

884
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: can get thirty two catches for three hundred and sixty

885
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: seven yards.

886
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think he's worth more than a six.

887
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: The same conversation with Higgins and Ayuk too, Like I'm

888
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 3: trying to win Super Bowl this year. Six round pick,

889
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: fifth round pick doesn't get me there as much as

890
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: Bateman does.

891
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: Your six round pick might be Pooka ni Kua might,

892
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: but I'll bank them, bab might be Antonio Brown pick.

893
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: Right, they have a lot of needs. I some want

894
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: to create another one. I from that.

895
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean, they know him way more about Bateman than anybody,

896
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: and I.

897
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: Bet they don't leve him right now. Yeah, I mean

898
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 3: there's there's nothing to hang your hat on with what

899
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: he's done.

900
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: The pros and they may look at it and say,

901
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: we need to get Isaiah likely more in the field.

902
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: We might do that's common, Yeah, we Yeah, twelve. I

903
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: think that's definitely coming. So sneaky one. I never thought

904
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: about it. Uh.

905
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: Trailing Burk's another one of those guys.

906
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: And that one I've been asked about a bunch. Yeah,

907
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: he's been so miscast. I never loved them coming out

908
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: of Arkansas because he's kind of gadgety. But they tried

909
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: to make him a number one line up at X

910
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: outside the numbers and run big boy routes. That's not

911
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 3: what he is. And he failed, and then he's been hurt,

912
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: and then they have no line, then they've bagged quarterbacks.

913
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: I would take it. I'll give you a fifth round

914
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: pick for him, and I'd use him as a power slot.

915
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: That's what he is, what he should be, closer to

916
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: the ball, big body guy, get him the ball quick.

917
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: That interests me, I mean as a buyer. Yeah, and

918
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: I could see them moving on for him for sure.

919
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they just spent big money on two receivers.

920
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 2: On the defensive side of things. Well, here he is again,

921
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker, You're in this situation last year.

922
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: Right, right. He's expensive, he's good, and he's on a

923
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: bad team.

924
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: Patrick Certain, you're giving up two first round picks, you get,

925
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: Patrick Certain?

926
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: I would think, I think we've had this conversation. But

927
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 3: if a genie came out of the bottle and said, hey, Matt,

928
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 3: you could be the GM of any team in the league,

929
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: the Broncos be my last choice. I think they're a

930
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: total disaster.

931
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: See that's why they should trade pets. They should say

932
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: I need to blow it up any anybody that I

933
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: can get stuff for.

934
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.

935
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 2: Everything must go so no, but there are no players

936
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: on my roster that I look at and say I

937
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: can't trade him.

938
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: They don't have a second round pick this year. Yeah,

939
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: I mean, so Wilson, Russell Wilson and Sean Payton are

940
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: costing them three first and three seconds. And then I

941
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 3: have a quarterback.

942
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a quarterback.

943
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: They have a coach, but they have like nothing else,

944
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: even like Garrett Bowles is up after the year. Like

945
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: I think that I would not want to be that

946
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: GM at all. They're not in a position for striking

947
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: distance for a quarterback this year. They don't have the

948
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: second to go get a NIX, you know, in the

949
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: second round. Give me the most I can get, ascertained

950
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: trade bowls for the most I can get. I mean,

951
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: they should clean house completely. And remember the trade deadline.

952
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: Everyone thought, oh they're going to clean everything out. They

953
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: should have and they didn't.

954
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's just the way it goes.

955
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you could get least a first for certain, yeah,

956
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: more than probably. How about this one?

957
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: And he won't be coming a Pittsburgh. But this is

958
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: interesting Greg Newsome with the Browns.

959
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: He's always been miscast as a slot. He's only twenty

960
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: three years old. He's a good player too. Yeah, why

961
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: do they want to trade him because they don't pick

962
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: a fit with your option, they're going to be fifty

963
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: two million dollars over the cap. Yeah, they went that

964
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: stuff coming up, all right, and they're.

965
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: Not gonna be able to afford to pay him. His

966
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: fifty year option next year will be thirteen point four million, basically.

967
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could survive without your slot. Yeah, first lot

968
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: that could be doing more. Yeah, maybe I didn't think

969
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: about him and Bateman in the division. These guys that

970
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: could go, they're the same draft class, right Yeah. Yeah,

971
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: that's fifty year options looming at expensive positions. Mm yeah

972
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: maybe so.

973
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: I mean with of those guys, obviously, you know a

974
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: lot of people have talked about the Steelers and Ayuk.

975
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, Kamorrow, you're not gonna be interested in exactly. Frankly,

976
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: if Higgins was in another division, I'd be I'd at

977
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: least be calling. Yeah, there's no chance that's not gonna happen.

978
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: We don't even talk about it because I think there's

979
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: a zero percent chance.

980
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's much of a chance that

981
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: Au getstraighted, unless, of course, the Steelers did what we

982
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: just talked about.

983
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: You take I mean, he could play hardball and demand

984
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: the trade and all that stuff, and you would have

985
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: suit like kind of if the Bills could afford him.

986
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: Would you take a Donnie Mitchell at twenty.

987
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 3: Or Ayuk at twenty and contract.

988
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: And track and trade him for Ayuk?

989
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: I might do that. If I'm both teams for the Steelers,

990
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Ayuk in a twenty seven million dollar

991
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: contract than Mitchell. If I'm the Niners, I might rather

992
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: Mitchell and not a twenty seven million dollar contract. That

993
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: would be one way to do that in that neighborhood, right, Right,

994
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: he's still sitting there at twenty and they love him.

995
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, but then you don't have attack. I mean,

996
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: then you're not getting one of the tackles. You're not

997
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: get in the center. Love the idea of using a

998
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: first round pick on a receiver, period, right, you know

999
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: we talked about that in segment one. But he's pretty special.

1000
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Niko Collins and Tyreek Hill were the only

1001
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: two that have better yards for route run. He's gotten

1002
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: better every year. I think he's twenty fod is that

1003
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: what you said? Twenty six? Okay, I think he's a

1004
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: top ten receiver, but I hate buying them twice. Yeah,

1005
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: picks and money, although the receivers have worked out better

1006
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: than other positions.

1007
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: But if you spend, if you've already spent the pick

1008
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: on a receiver, you're getting better receiver.

1009
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: M oh yeah, without question. A name I threw out

1010
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: is Courtland Sutton because I think you'd get him really cheap.

1011
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: And my logic is, can I get Courtland Sutton for

1012
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: like a fifth round pick? And the Denver clean House

1013
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: conversation with that about certain And it wouldn't even change

1014
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: my draft plan. It would be picking Sutton, Pureceaull Porly

1015
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: somebody like that would be my receiver room. Now, his

1016
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: contract won't be super friendly. I assume that's what you're

1017
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: looking up here.

1018
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking up. Yeah, here's why I'm not

1019
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: interested in that. Are you paying Courtland Sutton thirteen million dollars?

1020
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think he's great, I'm not super he's

1021
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: I would also free agent mark.

1022
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: He'll also be twenty nine this season. I know he's

1023
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: he's not yet.

1024
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm hoping he would be injury he had

1025
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: the injury stock.

1026
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, but it'd be my two did I

1027
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 3: hope to draft past him as a three overspend a

1028
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: little bit kind of like you did Alan Robinson, but

1029
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: you'd have to eat more of this. I mean, I'm

1030
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 3: talking about like a fifth round picker later. Yeah.

1031
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: He's also got a.

1032
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 3: Up after this year.

1033
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is up after twenty twenty five. He's also

1034
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: got a per game active bonus of basically thirty thousand

1035
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: dollars per game, which is an extra five hundred thousand dollars.

1036
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, now you're cooking.

1037
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't love the player.

1038
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: Thirteen and a half million dollars for Courtland Sutton, I'll

1039
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: go fish.

1040
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have mixed feelings on that. And you'd have

1041
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: to be a very cheap pick. You have to be

1042
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 3: very cheap.

1043
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: Then I might be interested.

1044
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 3: But maybe they inherit five million of it or something.

1045
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: I don't love the player, but running out options.

1046
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: Again at thirteen million. Now, now that if the Steelers

1047
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: have eleven million dollars in cap space right now as

1048
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: we sid here, they got to pay for the rookie class.

1049
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: So you're not to worry about space so they can

1050
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: make more.

1051
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: They can make more. But now you're kicking the can

1052
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: down the road for Courtland Sutton.

1053
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 3: That I'm not into it.

1054
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: Connor Williams, Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's like you're not

1055
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: getting your center that you know, we don't know that

1056
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: they got the center taking care of in the draft.

1057
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna trade for Courtland Sutton. That that eats

1058
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: up all that cap space.

1059
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: Now I got to create additional cap space to you know,

1060
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: sign my draft picks, have my five or six million

1061
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: dollars to take into the season.

1062
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe, and.

1063
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah Joe Hayden becomes available in trading camp or last year,

1064
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: you know they signed Kawan Alexander in training camp.

1065
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: Well that was a pretty you know at the time

1066
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 3: of potatoes. But I mean the cap situation doesn't worry

1067
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: me that much. I think they have a lot of

1068
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: cap flexibility. I mean, do I want to use it

1069
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: all on Sutton?

1070
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: No. I just don't know that Courtland Sutton makes them

1071
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl contender.

1072
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 3: No, But I can't live with what they have there now.

1073
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: Even if they added Pearceol in the second round. I

1074
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: think they had two in the draft. I think they

1075
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: probably will as it stands now, I think he almost

1076
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: have to.

1077
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know again, I think a I

1078
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: think the number their number two pass catchers on the

1079
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: roster already, that's Pat Friarmouth. I think he gets used

1080
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: more this year. I think all the tight ends get

1081
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: used more this year. Yeah, and be I don't think

1082
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: they throw the ball as much. I'm gonna run the

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Speaker 2: ball down people's throats.

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Speaker 3: They ran the ball a lot last year too, more

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Speaker 3: I do, I do too, But I can't live with

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Speaker 3: pickings and a bunch of fours and a second and

1087
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Speaker 3: fifth round rookie. It's just not good enough. And I

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Speaker 3: hear you hear. And I'm not saying Sutton is a superstar,

1089
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Speaker 3: but he's a starter. Yeah, I mean he's better than

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Speaker 3: buoyed you know those type of guys. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 3: know that type of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, Yeah, I mean Sutton at thirteen million dollars is

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Speaker 2: certainly better than Boyd at eight.

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Speaker 3: Yes, definitely agree on that, right, even if it COSTI

1095
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Speaker 3: a six round pick or whatever. Who cares? Yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to dig for names. Godwin's another name

1097
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Speaker 3: I keep looking at. I mean Devonte Adams.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there'll be somebody is going to become available

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Speaker 2: after this draft that you didn't think because with such

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Speaker 2: and such team drafted dis receiver and all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden they want to distance themselves from.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot that could go down that road. What

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Speaker 3: if Dallas takes one high and they want to move

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Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks, you know, because they're going to pay Ceede

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Speaker 3: Lamb or I mean, there's a lot of those type

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Speaker 3: of dudes. You know that you'll get cheaper after the fact.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get to another break that's going to do

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Speaker 2: it for our number one of the drive here on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with our number two

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Speaker 2: right after this