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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on giants dot Com. Schmelke Detino and you

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Speaker 1: at two one nine, four, five one three a poll

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Speaker 1: Pourris show today, folks and call in talk about anything

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Speaker 1: you want to discuss about Giants football, the NFL. Uh

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Speaker 1: you name it, we'll talk about it again to five

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Speaker 1: one three or hashtag Giants Chat. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of these types of shows over the next couple of months,

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot happening. Obviously, Rookie Minicamp coming up

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Speaker 1: this week, then you have the O T A S

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Speaker 1: coming up the following three or so weeks, and then

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Speaker 1: finally you have veteran mandatory Minicamp from June to June seventeen.

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Speaker 1: So that's what's kind of coming on your way, Paul.

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Speaker 1: This is yours only show before Rookie Minicamp starts. I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, Torokay, so I guess we won't do that then.

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Speaker 1: But um, real quick. One thing we did not do

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Speaker 1: is look at all the draft predictions we got from

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Speaker 1: people over the course of our process. Here, that's true.

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Speaker 1: You know, we never did go over those guys. Did

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Speaker 1: anybody did anybody hit one of the non obvious picks. Well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people pick most people picked Barkley. Let's

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Speaker 1: see that anybody cat her Nandez and round. While you're

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Speaker 1: doing that, I do want to bring up a point

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Speaker 1: today that was brought up by Bruce Murray and Phil Savage.

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Speaker 1: And you know, not one person picked Hernandez in the

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Speaker 1: second round because I don't think anybody thought he was

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Speaker 1: gonna be there. Well, the consensus from the combine was

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Speaker 1: he was gonna be in the twenties in the first round, which,

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Speaker 1: of course may be very upset, as you recall, I do.

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Speaker 1: So what if Bill Savage, Bill Savage and and Bruce

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Speaker 1: Murray were talking about how they had scanned all of

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Speaker 1: the grades that people had given out across the board

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Speaker 1: for all the NFL teams, and how the Giants universally

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Speaker 1: and their views or their their experience, had been the

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Speaker 1: number one graded draft, with the exception of Bruce Murray

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Speaker 1: said he saw two people who did not like the

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Speaker 1: Giants draft and actually killed their draft, not because of

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Speaker 1: the guys they took, but he said it had nothing

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Speaker 1: the philosophical differress that those two people had. He didn't

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Speaker 1: name who they were, but said those two people were

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Speaker 1: adamant that the Giants must take a quarterback and as

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Speaker 1: a result killed their draft because they didn't take a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Number two, he said, But otherwise every other draft grade

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Speaker 1: he has seen, and Savage backed him up on this,

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Speaker 1: all agreed that the Giants had the best draft in

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Speaker 1: the in the league, which was wow. That that kind

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Speaker 1: of blew me away. Yeah, honestly, I didn't see a

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Speaker 1: consensus at the Giants at number one everywhere, but I

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Speaker 1: certainly saw them in the top five or top ten

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Speaker 1: of pretty much everyone that graded the draft, which you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a chef's choice deal. So if what does it

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Speaker 1: mean now exactly? But if you're consistently in the top

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Speaker 1: you got what people think at this point is good value.

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Speaker 1: Now we've said that about draft. Before they get great

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Speaker 1: value and the players are gonna be good, then the

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Speaker 1: players have to go and perform um. For example, the

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Speaker 1: next hiding new head coach yesterday and they talked about how,

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Speaker 1: oh we're gonna build slowly building the draft. Well, he

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Speaker 1: fits out very good. It's a good plan. But the

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Speaker 1: trick is picking the right guys and then actually developing

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Speaker 1: and working out. And that's the hard part of the

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Speaker 1: but you never know what these drafts um Eli. Manning

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Speaker 1: did his annual press conference when he supports the UH

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Speaker 1: other day, as he always does every spring, and I

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Speaker 1: that organization because they're wonderful people. I've been to that

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Speaker 1: press for a couple of years ago too, and he

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Speaker 1: talked about how Barkley is the total package and can

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Speaker 1: do a variety of things to help his offense out.

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Speaker 1: But he warned everybody he hasn't stepped on the field yet,

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Speaker 1: and he's trying just to kind of que all everybody's

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Speaker 1: But Paul, here's the problem. I know, every you pick

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Speaker 1: work out? So do guys, here's what I want you.

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Speaker 1: You you were one of those folks who was very

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Speaker 1: much concerned about how Barkley would be used if they

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Speaker 1: my question to you coming off of Elies putting the

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Speaker 1: how I can do everything, how I would use them,

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Speaker 1: how I think that Giants will use them. How about this?

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Speaker 1: Can I bring up some numbers here so I have

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Speaker 1: a level of comparison. But but and we're not going

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Speaker 1: kickoff returns. I don't think they're gonna use him there.

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Speaker 1: there we go? Final? I got some stats here, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Here we go, all right, So last year, Paul, how

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Speaker 1: no matter whether it's rushing or or catching passes. He

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Speaker 1: took that dynamic, so I'm not really worried about where

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Speaker 1: he's going to wind up in the amount of yards

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Speaker 1: that he has, in the amount of the receptions that

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Speaker 1: he has. But my question is a philosophical one, uh

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to address with you, And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's concerned or not, but I know Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman has a propensity to get big defensive lineman and

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Speaker 1: so forth, and the Giants are going to a three

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Speaker 1: or four defense where the concentration usually is in the

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Speaker 1: linebacker play. And I heard him back to the days,

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Speaker 1: say when the Giants had were fourteen and two, and

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Speaker 1: they had their great four linebackers, three Hall of famers

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Speaker 1: and Gary Reasons and then they had the Jim Burton

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Speaker 1: I think it was a George Martin, Lenn Marshall. Is

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Speaker 1: the three guys Eric Dorsey played a lot too, right,

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Speaker 1: But I'm wondering if this is what they're actually physically

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Speaker 1: going to do on the defensive side with accumulating so

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Speaker 1: many defensive linemen because I thought in the traditional three

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Speaker 1: four on and granted this may not be a traditional

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Speaker 1: three four, it's not you're you're you should have more linebacks.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy with the linebacks of the Giants drafted and

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Speaker 1: so forth. But is this a Dave Gentleman type of

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Speaker 1: defense that he once or James Betcher type of defense.

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Speaker 1: I want to know if there was a demarcation line

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Speaker 1: where James Beecher thinks this is a good idea, what

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Speaker 1: do you want more linebackers on the team. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: it's James Betcher's defense. This is a Dave Gentleman's defense.

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Speaker 1: That's first and foremost. I remember, the base defense is

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Speaker 1: only on the field for the snap, So on the

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Speaker 1: other places, you're going to have, you know, four guys

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Speaker 1: that are defensive lineman, whether they're standing up, of their

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Speaker 1: hand in the dirt, whatever, We'll see how they end

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Speaker 1: up a line them as Paul and I talked about

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Speaker 1: last week. So they'll use a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder though, and I think it's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: You have Snacks, Amminson, Morrow, Macintosh, and Hill, which are

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Speaker 1: five guys that are primarily run stoppers, and I wonder

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Speaker 1: where And I know Macintosh is a three technique pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: but he's still a defensive tackle. Um. So you have

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Speaker 1: those five guys, and I'm not I might even be

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Speaker 1: missing somebody. I don't think I am carry carry When

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Speaker 1: did you mention carry one is more of a yeah?

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Speaker 1: And you know I'll feel carry one in this becase

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Speaker 1: carry one's not a pass rusher really. So you got

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Speaker 1: those six guys, and I know, you know Dave get

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Speaker 1: have been talking about the Eagles rushing waves of guys

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Speaker 1: at you, But the Eagles waves were guys that get

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Speaker 1: to the quarterbacks the run. So I think it's a

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Speaker 1: good question, Scott, and I'm curious to see how Betcher

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Speaker 1: will utilize these guys. And my guess is that both

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Speaker 1: Betcher and Getleman think these guys are more than just

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Speaker 1: run stuffers and they gonna give you a little something

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Speaker 1: in the pass rushing town. I agree with that point,

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Speaker 1: and I also think that the Giants believe that a

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Speaker 1: heavier rotation will allow guys to be more efficient, so

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Speaker 1: that if you reduce the number of snaps, you may

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Speaker 1: get more production out of each guy per snap than

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Speaker 1: what you would get otherwise if you left someone like

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Speaker 1: Snacks on the field for the bulk of the game.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of what they're going

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Speaker 1: to try to do. And I think that is probably

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Speaker 1: more of a Gettleman style of of thinking than it

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Speaker 1: is a Betcher. Betcher clearly wants to be as multiple

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Speaker 1: as possible. He's gonna have a bunch of stand up

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Speaker 1: defensive ends who are gonna be linebackers in one look

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Speaker 1: and defensive ends in another look, and then the other

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Speaker 1: thing he's gonna do. And let's make this very clear.

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Speaker 1: Betcher loves to send corner blitzes, guys coming in off

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Speaker 1: the edge from the slot, guys coming in on safety blitzes,

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Speaker 1: and the A gap in the B gap. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: send and create pressure from all different angles on the

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Speaker 1: field at all times. So the fact is you don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have to get the standard pass rush from your

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Speaker 1: standard defensive lineman. That's not the way bet you work.

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Speaker 1: The question is is there, I mean, how many snaps

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Speaker 1: again you think these guys are going to get? Though?

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Speaker 1: I mean that's probably his feel. That's just gonna have

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Speaker 1: to get a better field for these My worry, Uh,

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Speaker 1: if there is a worry, Uh, I think they're trying

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Speaker 1: to correct me if I'm wrong. I think they're trying

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Speaker 1: to pattern their rocational defensive liman similar to what Philadelphia did.

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Speaker 1: But if you go back to the Super Bowl, what

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Speaker 1: did Tom Brady do against those retretional linemen? He threw

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Speaker 1: for over five yards? And if I go back to

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Speaker 1: Giants when they had those four great linebackers, they had

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Speaker 1: the best defense in the league. So my concentration is

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Speaker 1: more linebacker than defensive linemen. But I may be totally

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Speaker 1: wrong and how they're how I'm approaching that starch. I

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Speaker 1: just understand this though too appreciate the Belichick three four

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Speaker 1: from back in the day is nothing like what Betcher's

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Speaker 1: going to run with this year's Giants. It is a

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Speaker 1: very very different defense. In fact, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: even Belichick, with his combination of defensive coordinators the last

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Speaker 1: fifteen years with the Patriots, has not run the typical

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Speaker 1: Giants three four six. It's a different defense to different games,

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Speaker 1: so different. So I look, I would love nothing more

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Speaker 1: than to say line up that Giants three four again

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Speaker 1: and go kick people's butts. But that's not what happens

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Speaker 1: in today's league. It's it's again. It's a different game now.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this though, I think linebackers are coming back here.

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Speaker 1: I think for a while, with the way the passing

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Speaker 1: game was used, I think linebackers did lose some value

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Speaker 1: in the league. You didn't see a lot get drafted.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with that. But this year you had

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Speaker 1: um ro Kwan Smith go eight excellent, excellent ballplayer. You

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Speaker 1: had Tremade Edmunds, who's an unbelievable athlete, goes sixteen, Your

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Speaker 1: Lane Van der ashe was a very good player at

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Speaker 1: Boise State. Nineteen. You had Rashaan Evans go twenty two

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Speaker 1: to the Titans. So that that's four linebackers in the

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Speaker 1: top only two picks. I haven't gone and looked at it,

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Speaker 1: but I imagine that's gotta be the most linebackers in

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Speaker 1: the first picks in a decade. Did the WOI go high?

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Speaker 1: Second round? I'm going to the second round right now.

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Speaker 1: Darius Leonard went with the lot, but I didn't think

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Speaker 1: he was that good. Though not a fourth pick in

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Speaker 1: the second round, he he has covers a lot of ground.

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Speaker 1: Fourth pick in the second round. He got picked there.

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Speaker 1: Um and you know it depends. And there's Nuosa, who

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Speaker 1: some people think might be an edge rusher. He went

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Speaker 1: sixteenth in the second round. So linebackers are becoming more valuable.

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Speaker 1: And again I think we mentioned this during one of

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Speaker 1: the draft shows, Paul. It's because of the read option

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Speaker 1: slash rpo repass option where the linebackers are much more

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Speaker 1: important than the corners and cutting off those slants, getting

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Speaker 1: in the passing lines and stopping that quick, short pass game.

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Speaker 1: You go back to your point about you know, Brady

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Speaker 1: going for five yards against the Eagles, that wasn't the

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Speaker 1: defensive lines fault. He was getting rid of the ball

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Speaker 1: and sets had nothing to do with those because you know,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles couldn't cover the middle of the field and

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Speaker 1: stop those short, quick passes. So uh, I don't think

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Speaker 1: when the except obviously second overall, the Giants had to

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Speaker 1: take pick of any player in the draft. But we

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Speaker 1: went through it on the on those draft shows, Paul,

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Speaker 1: there weren't really any linebackers I thought with value to

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Speaker 1: pick where the Giants were selecting when they got on

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Speaker 1: the clock. No, because there were players of much better

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Speaker 1: value that they wound up picking. Right that we all

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Speaker 1: agreed had more more, more value for lack of a

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Speaker 1: better term. For Sean Evans was sitting there with the

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Speaker 1: second pick in the second round, that would have been

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Speaker 1: a conversation. He would have been in the mix. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying they would have picked him over her name.

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Speaker 1: I still would have taken Hernandez, so would I, but

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Speaker 1: Evans would have been in the Evans would have absolutely

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Speaker 1: been in the mix. And you know, Carter, you want

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Speaker 1: to look at him as a linebacker. I guess they

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Speaker 1: see him more of a pass rusher. And that's the

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Speaker 1: thing too. It's such a blurred game now with you know,

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Speaker 1: was Harol l Angio linebackers a pass rushers? You know

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Speaker 1: you can't figure And and I'll get to this. I

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Speaker 1: gotta bar only thing I want to get too later.

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Speaker 1: I want to build off what you just said, though,

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Speaker 1: because and I want to get right back to the calls.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, folks for delaying. But I had someone mentioned

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Speaker 1: to me on Twitter a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 1: it was a great question. He said to me, you

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Speaker 1: don't like tweeners. What's the difference between a tweener and

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Speaker 1: a versatile edge guy? No, the same thing, and I know,

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Speaker 1: not from that for me. Not for me. A versatile

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Speaker 1: edge guy has the physical characteristics of one position, but

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Speaker 1: then has the skill set to play more positions. A

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Speaker 1: tweeny that can only rush the past guy. A tweener

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Speaker 1: is a guy who has the physical characteristics that don't

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Speaker 1: fit either position. His physical characteristics fit him somewhere in

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Speaker 1: between where he doesn't fit either one correctly. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: he might be big different, he might be too small

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Speaker 1: to play defensive end, but his skill set is of

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Speaker 1: a defensive end. Correct. He might be too big to

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Speaker 1: be might be too small to be a linebacker, too

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Speaker 1: big to be a linebacker, but he plays like a back.

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Speaker 1: Correct that correct, I see what you mean. Physical measurables

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Speaker 1: are what makes the difference between a tweener and a

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Speaker 1: versatile player. Okay, and that's that's the difference for me.

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Speaker 1: That's why Landry's a tweener to you, because all he

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Speaker 1: can do is rush the passer, but he's not big

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Speaker 1: enough to be at hand in the dirt defensive correct. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. I think that makes sense, and that

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Speaker 1: and that, and I had to explain that because the

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Speaker 1: guy was he was like asking me, he's like, but

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Speaker 1: you really don't like Tweeners. So what's what's the deal here?

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Speaker 1: You're you're talking about Betcher's defense and these guys who

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Speaker 1: were doing multiple He wanted to understand why I would

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Speaker 1: feel differently. And that's why you like Carter because he's

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Speaker 1: the size and shape and speak, but he can rush

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Speaker 1: the and Karim Martin who has the size of a

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Speaker 1: defensive end but can play stand up defensive end and

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Speaker 1: some strong side linebacker. Yeah, I wouldn't ask Creamartin to

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Speaker 1: cover much though I wouldn't either, but but at pounds,

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Speaker 1: you know, at six at six seven hand that darn't

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Speaker 1: be fine. He could have he has what he did

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. Absolutely, That's that's why. And I wanted

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Speaker 1: to bring that up. Good point, Dan, and Delaware has

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Speaker 1: been holding the longest. What's up, Dan? How are you?

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Speaker 1: How are you? Um? Yeah, it's a good topic. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at some stats while I was on hold.

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Speaker 1: So if if if Barkley were to get around eighteen

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Speaker 1: hundred total yards that you projected, John, I'm just looking

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Speaker 1: at last year stats. I mean, that will put him

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Speaker 1: in the top three to four producing running backs in

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Speaker 1: the league. So um, last year there's only two guys

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Speaker 1: that had eighteen hundred total yards, and Kareem Hunt was

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Speaker 1: just just barely missed it. Last year was a bit

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Speaker 1: of a down year for running backs, though the year

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Speaker 1: before Zekiel Elliott had Jordan Howard, DeMarco Barry, Yeah, all

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Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah exactly, But I mean either way is good.

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Speaker 1: That was exactly, especially if he gets a double digit

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Speaker 1: touchdowns because I fully expect Beckham, uh, you know, knock

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Speaker 1: on Wood for the health and everything, but he'll get

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Speaker 1: his ten plus this year, I assume. So, um, that's

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Speaker 1: a good That's that's good right there. Um. But the

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Speaker 1: thing that Barkley should help with, you know, I know

638
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned this earlier, and I do agree with you.

639
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: It's like you can't just say, well, if he doesn't

640
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: get this stat and this other rookie has this stat,

641
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: it's unsuccessful because there's other things that you really can't measure.

642
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: And if if Barkley can take the double teams away

643
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: from some of our weapons outside, like if he could

644
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: free Beckham or Ingram or you know, if they can

645
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: give better matchups to those guys where they can't double

646
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: multiple people, then that will impact the game. Just his

647
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: presence on the field alone. You have the scheme. You know,

648
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't no offense to any of our running backs,

649
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: but I'm sure there's not like defensive coordinators that were

650
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: like game planning for Gallman or Perkins. You know, you

651
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: have to you know, you have to factor Beckham and

652
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: Barkley and Ingram, you know, into everything. So so yeah,

653
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean he should have um impact that's not measurable

654
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: by by stats. I know this is off topics. It's

655
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: kind of derailing the your show here. I just had

656
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: a quick question about, um, the tags and everything. So

657
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: I know you can't talk about player contracts and things

658
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: like that, but um, I just want to ask because

659
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: you got we got Beckham and Collins coming up at

660
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: the end of this year, and you know we can

661
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: only tag one of them, and I did want to

662
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: ask you guys, So you only can tag one player, right,

663
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about like I know there's like

664
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: a transitions tag and a franchip you can only use

665
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: one of them on one player, or you can't use

666
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: a transition on one and a branch tag on another. Right,

667
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: you can only do one on any type of any type. Okay,

668
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: that's what I thought, I just want to clarity on that.

669
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: So I know you can't talk about the contracts, but

670
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I speaking for a lot of Giants fans,

671
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we all feel like we gotta get one

672
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: of these guys done before this season. I mean, I

673
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: I know they can negotiate in season with some of

674
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: these guys, but um, I guess I don't have a

675
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: proof of this, but it just felt like under the

676
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: reef he did never he never negotiated in season with players,

677
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: at least it felt that way to me. Um, he

678
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: either got it done preseason or after the season. Um,

679
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: and that would be actually yeah, And I don't blame

680
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: you for saying that that's not exactly true. They did

681
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: have They did have conversations with players sometimes during the

682
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: course of the season. The Giants, though, are very buttoned

683
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: up about that. Those kinds of contractual talks would really

684
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: never get disgusted in public or in the media, right.

685
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: But if they signed a contract, we know about it,

686
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: and then seemed a contract didn't happen, I'm saying it's like,

687
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how, I don't know if it's an

688
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: organizational philosophy, but in my view, it's like I want

689
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: to lock one of these guys up before the season starts,

690
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: And I was just curious your guys opinions on that.

691
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: If if you can at least see one of them

692
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: getting locked up before the season to preserve the tag

693
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: for whichever one doesn't get locked up and that strategy,

694
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: or do you not see that as a high priority

695
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: for us to do that, because you know, if we're

696
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: all in and we'll win now and we want to

697
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: get this done with Eli Barkley bet you know, we

698
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: want to make this run super Bowl in the next

699
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: few years. We can't afford to let one of these

700
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: guys go. They're both premium, top guys at their respectively.

701
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: It's a fair question of the main ta get both

702
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: of them, and you have to preserve a tag for

703
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: one at least in my pew. So I just wanted

704
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: your guys opinions on that. We've discussed this before. You

705
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: cannot sign Odell Beckham Junior to a new deal until

706
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: he goes out on the field and proves that he

707
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 1: is still O'Dell Beckham Jr. We've discussed that before now,

708
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: So do you have the same worry though for Landon

709
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Collins having to get a second surgery on his form.

710
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, to be honest, That's why I'm asking

711
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: the question. Medical folks would have to have a real

712
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: good sit down with me and make me feel like

713
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: I could be confident. Here's what I'll tell you better.

714
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: I feel better about a form Furey why. But but

715
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: you know what, I would say this if I were

716
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: a gambling man, okay, and I'm not, I would say

717
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: one of those two guys will probably get some type

718
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: of new deal done by the middle of this season.

719
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: That's as far as I'm going. I will put a

720
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: one more nugget in there. I think. I think simply

721
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: based on the economics of it, with the positions and

722
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: the players, I would think a Collins contract would be

723
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: easier to get done, assuming both guys are healthy, probably

724
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: because safeties don't usually bring in the same type of

725
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: and the other reason is that the wide receiver does

726
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: like to garner a lot of headlines, and on that

727
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: basis and the attention and the statements he's made in

728
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: the past, you would think it would be more difficult

729
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: to get that one done. But I do think one

730
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: of them has a as a decent chance to get

731
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: done by mid season this year. But both of them,

732
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: in my mind, have to get on the field it produce,

733
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: which is why it's tough. I mean, when you throw

734
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: injuries into the mix, it gets difficult. And by the way,

735
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: here's the other question that must be answered. If you're

736
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: gonna do something with either one of those guys, are

737
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: you doing strictly an extension or are you doing something

738
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: because of the right. If the caller is right and

739
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: they try to get something done before opening day this year,

740
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: which I am not in favor of, you tear up

741
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: the last year of their current deal and you give

742
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: them a brand new contract to include the two thousand

743
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: eighteen seasons. See, I think that requires a lot of

744
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: different numbers and affects your cap a lot differently than

745
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: an extension does. Now that you could do a lot

746
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: easier with Odell because his cap number this year is

747
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot bigger things. Lents cap number is very small,

748
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: so if you wanted to tear up his current deal,

749
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: you would have to find space if it's not a extension,

750
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: so that out of that leans the pendulum the other way.

751
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: So yes, But but now it's very fishy with the

752
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: with all the contracts. Now you've got to get into

753
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: tying up a big deal with O'Dell without him getting

754
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: on the field and proving that he's still the same guy.

755
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: And that that, to me is a sticking point, which

756
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: is why I could not go that way. But but

757
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: John is correct, if you've got to rip up the

758
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: last year of the deal, it makes more sense to

759
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: do O'Dell's deal now rather than later. I totally agree

760
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, because people don't realize this too, and

761
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, with these other guys too. The reason, once

762
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: you get a guy in a franchise tag, it's easy

763
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: to sign him to a long term extension or a

764
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: long term contract because that first year capit on the

765
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: long term contract is actually probably gonna be lower than

766
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: what the franchise tag was. Correct Now, obviously the fifth

767
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: year option isn't as much as the franchise tag, but

768
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: it's still a significant number as opposed to the final

769
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: year of a rookie deal on a second un draft pick.

770
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 1: That's much much different in it really moves things around

771
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: a lot of variables involved. Once again, many sides to

772
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: the prisoners. I like to say, layers to the onion exactly.

773
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: Let's go to Stephen new York. He's up next high Steeve. Hey, guys,

774
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: how are you doing today? We're doing great? How are you, Steve? So,

775
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, as a fans point of you from where

776
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: I sit last year when it ended, obviously it was

777
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: a horrible year. Oh yeah, And you know all you're

778
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: hoping for as a fan is for for the ownership

779
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: to realize it and do what that can to change it.

780
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: And I feel like if we look back from where

781
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: last year ended to where we're at today, uh, the

782
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: Giants are significantly better. We Everything has chances to fail,

783
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: like anything new. You have a new car, it can fail.

784
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: You buy a new house, something can break you buy

785
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: I get a good new girlfriend. You know it might

786
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: not work out, but you hope in the newness there's

787
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: some sort of benefit and and you feel like you've

788
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: cain instead of lost. And I feel like as a fan,

789
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: from where we were last year to where we're at now,

790
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: I feel like we are the best most improved team

791
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: in the NFC. Were the best team in the NFC

792
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: because the Eagles, I feel like you have a better

793
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: squad and I feel like the Cowboys have less holes.

794
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: But we are the most changed from worse to best.

795
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: In my opinion, the Eagles didn't do a lot of moves.

796
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: You know, the Cowboys haven't done a lot, so from

797
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: his band point of view, I would feel like I

798
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 1: didn't really agree with Sherman's and Gentleman's plan with draft

799
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: and Barkley. I wanted a quarterback, but if you look

800
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: at their plan what they wanted, no one can knock

801
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: how they executed it because they and I feel like

802
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: with that, I'm I'm hopeful. I'm very hopeful because I

803
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: feel like the numbers you guys gave in the beginning

804
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: of the shell for Barkley, yeah, I'd be happy if

805
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: he got that. But if we had a franchise quarterback

806
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: we drafted, and let's here anymore, would any of us

807
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: be happy if that franchise quarterbacks number two overall couldn't

808
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: win cand eleven games. No, and that's what you expect

809
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: from a franchise quarterback drafted in a position I understand

810
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: the traft where he better affect dramatically are wins. Yeah,

811
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: of course, Steven, and I'll say this too. I agree.

812
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: I think offensively, the Giant should be dramatically better and

813
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: if if they're not significantly better, than they were last year.

814
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: I think, um, it could be another long season, to

815
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: be honest with you, because you know, you had a

816
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: lot of the talent you had to bring people in.

817
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: The offense should be much better. Um. I'm not sure

818
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: about the defense though. UM. I think when you take

819
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: a look at this defense from the guys that left

820
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: as opposed to the guys that came in, I think

821
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: it's a tough argument to say that there's more raw

822
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: talent in the room now. Will the coordinator make a difference, Maybe,

823
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: But I don't think there's any guarantee that this defense

824
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: is going to be much better than it was last

825
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: year simply based on the personnel in and the personnel out. Well.

826
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: The reason I believe it is because last year we

827
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't have depth on the off defensive line. We didn't

828
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: have the linebacker as we just drafted. I think d J.

829
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Hill is a steel and I feel like being able

830
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: to get Vernon and Snacks off the field a snaps

831
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: is is going to change our defense dramatically in itself.

832
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: Getting um the defensive mind like our coordinator is, you know,

833
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I feel like that adds to the newness, that adds

834
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: to the hope. So there's there's an excitement in the air,

835
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: as there always is in the ginning of a season

836
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: when you start. So I think our defense is better.

837
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: I agree with you for a different reason though, I

838
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: think too many Giants defensive players last year under achieved,

839
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: especially in the second area. Was an absolutely bess. And

840
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: I also believe that this offense is going to take

841
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure off of this defense, whether it's

842
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: time of possession, ship or also by the points they score.

843
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: So therefore, I do think the defense will be markedly

844
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: better than it was last year, but again for different

845
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: reasons than he suggested. Well, yeah, if individual players play

846
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: inifingly better than yeah, we can have the conversation. Too

847
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: many guys underachieved last year. They didn't play anywhere near

848
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: what the back of their football card said, and that's

849
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: that's a huge problem. Well, I mean Jakes is healthy.

850
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's he didn't have nearly the year

851
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: he was supposed to have games. Seven games, so yeah,

852
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: he did, Elie Apple and then Collins didn't play as

853
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: well as he should have played. Well, I think you

854
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: have to think, what's like, what's Lendon collins typical year? Though?

855
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Is it his monster second year or is it first?

856
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: Probably a lot closer to that year two years ago.

857
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: It's very tough to get those interceptions every year. Paul

858
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: takes a lot of understand A lot of those passages

859
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: fell right in his lap, you know, I mean they did. Um.

860
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: I'd like I'd like to believe that Ogletree is gonna

861
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: be exactly what he's supposed to be. That's and and

862
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe that Darren Thompson is gonna be

863
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: much more significant a contributor than he was last year.

864
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: To hear, I two concerns, and for any defense, I

865
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: think these are big concerns because and there's a reason.

866
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: The two most premium positions on a defense are what

867
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: pass rusher, excuse me, con quarterback Okay, other than Olivier Vernon,

868
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: who I don't believe he's ever had more than ten

869
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: sacks in a year, or maybe he has done it

870
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: once eight and a half, right the most, You're right,

871
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: his numbers aren't aren't spectacular. It's just a terrific Kareem Martin,

872
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: who's a who's a solid player in Arizona. But it

873
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: hasn't you know, been asked on to be a big

874
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: time pass rusher down and down out. I don't know

875
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: where they consistent pass rush is coming. Unless you have

876
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: to blitz all the time, it's gonna be multiplied. Then

877
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: if you have to blitz all the time, I mean,

878
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: the slock corner is your starting corner. It's a starter. Yes,

879
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: And we have no idea who the slot corners right now,

880
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: you think, but William Gays, are you very very comfortable

881
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: with that at thirty seven years old and he's been

882
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: incredibly durable. If his luck holds out and he stays

883
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: on the field, yes, I am comfortable with that. If

884
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: he can't stay on the field, you know, I'm thinking

885
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: Dante d On is the next guy up, but again,

886
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna run at the matchup trouble and I don't

887
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: and I don't. I can't say I know what Elie

888
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: Apple is gonna give me office year last year, I'm

889
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: still I'm hopeful, but I gotta be better. It's gotta

890
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: be better. It can't be worse, right, can't be worse.

891
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: And then the other the second safety next to Lendon Collins,

892
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: Darion Thompson. You hope he plays better than he did

893
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: last year. So we'll see. To me there are still

894
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: real questions on this defense. That again, I'm not saying

895
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: Ugle Tree upgrade is huge. It's huge, huge, I'm not

896
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the talents not there, but based

897
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: on what I saw last year, I have to see

898
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: that improvement on the field until I believe that. You

899
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Let's go to Lennon, Columbia, Maryland.

900
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: He's on next high Land. Hey, guys, how you doing

901
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: and what's up? Hey, I'm gonna set up a scenario

902
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: for you here um opening day against Shacksonville. Just inside

903
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: of four months, by the way, almost to the hour.

904
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: I think we're just inside of four months, three months

905
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: till the preseason opener. Can't wait, can't wait? One o

906
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: five and day afternoon and Barkley is standing on the

907
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: goal line to take the opening kickoff. Tell me about

908
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: the excitement in that stadium. I don't know if he

909
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no no no, there'll be people

910
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: in the stadium holding their breaths that he doesn't get hurt. Listen,

911
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: put the returns in your number and you're talking about

912
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: two yards. I don't plan. Again, I don't know what

913
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: the Giants are going to do if I had, Like, guess,

914
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: I believe he will get anywhere from a half dozen

915
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: to eight or nine kick returns the whole year, and

916
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: they will only be in high levelage situation eight or

917
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: nine good at it. You know what we don't know,

918
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: we don't We don't know coach Sherman's philosophy behind spot duty,

919
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: the big play kickoff return. Guys, we don't know that

920
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: he may be dead set against we don't know boys

921
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: on opening day. If he doesn't ever do it again

922
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, I want him standing

923
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: on the goal line on that opening See. That was

924
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: actually the way that David Wilson impacted this team before

925
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: he injured his neck and then had to retire or something.

926
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: Hell that he wasn't very good at running behind the

927
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: understood understood he was a heck of a kickoff returnadi

928
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: he really wants. But anyway, and go ahead, Yeah, and guys,

929
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: let's let's not forget if on first sound they pitched

930
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: the ball to Barkley and he swings across the right

931
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: side outside the outside the tackles to the right side,

932
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: he could get hurt on that play. He could get

933
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: hurt any there you go, there, you go, there you go.

934
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that play. I want that stadium on

935
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: their feet from the opening kickoff. I got at the line.

936
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: We'll give it to you. I got a better idea

937
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: for you. How about you. I'll take your eight any day,

938
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: by the way I got how about on the first

939
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: snap from scrimmage, Eli hits Barkley on a wheel route

940
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: for seventy five yards of a touchdown? Oh you, Oh

941
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: my goodness, how do you think the route would react

942
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: to that job? But I'll take it. I'll take the

943
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: under the yards and and put on another two hundred

944
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: for those eight or nine returns Joan, whether they kickoffs

945
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: or punt returns, And we're over two thousand, and that

946
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: would be one heck of a season. If you do

947
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: that over the first three you're talking six thousand yards.

948
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: Holy cow, Holy cow, that that would really be beautiful. Okay, Well,

949
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: you know that's just hoping, hoping for the best along

950
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: the line. Most importantly, UM, he's going to give us yardage. Um.

951
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: It's just like you started off your answer to my

952
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: putting them on the goal line. Just just stay healthy,

953
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: stay healthy. Um. Hey, Paul, a question about Betcher. Um,

954
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm staying positive. I'm staying positive. But every time

955
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: I hear you talk about Betcher's defense, especially in the

956
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: last couple of months, maybe because it's you're you're learning

957
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: more and no more now than we we know um

958
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: at this point, But you sound down right excited about

959
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: this situation. Hold on, Paul would be downright excited about

960
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: the Giant season if I was the defensive right, come on,

961
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I mean, he really gets excited

962
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: when he when he talks about people coming from different

963
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: angles and you know, things to this, stay sure, and

964
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm thinking positive, but I mean I'm taking

965
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: a weight and see too. I mean this this sounds

966
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: a little tricked up. Let me well, let me let

967
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: me say this. Land. I'm a big Steve spagnol old fan,

968
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: so I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath

969
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: water and saying, Okay, he was the reason the Giants

970
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: defense did poorly. I think there were a number of

971
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: reasons why the Giants defense from a part last year,

972
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: including injuries for sure. So let me just say I

973
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: am not getting getting all electrified because oh Spags is

974
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: gone and he was the problem. That's not the case.

975
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: You've heard me pray spacks for years. But here's what

976
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: I do know. This defensive coordinator, from what I've seen

977
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: of his scheme and what I know about his scheme,

978
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: is different than any defensive coordinator that I've covered in

979
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: my thirty six years of the Giants. Okay, totally different.

980
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: We're talking about a philosophy, a strategy, a a a

981
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: game plan that he uses that is one totally different.

982
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: And for that reason, yeah, I'm I'm excited to see it.

983
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: I know his results have been very good in in

984
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: Arizona for the last three seasons, and so for that reason,

985
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm probably more intrigued than I am enthused. I'm more intrigued.

986
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: And you know, for for an old dog like me

987
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: to be intrigued by something different, that's kind of neat.

988
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: Speaking of something different, did you notice a play that

989
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: they just re enacted on the Good Morning Football Show

990
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: this morning on the grounds of NFL Films? Did you

991
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: did you it? I did not, and I don't really

992
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: have much Well, it was it was a fun more

993
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: turn for a touchdown? Can you figure it out? Oh? Yeah,

994
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure Herman Edwards? Yeah, And ironically enough, I'm not mistaken,

995
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 1: as I was in here working before and the show

996
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: happened to beyond. I think they also reenacted the bats.

997
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: Just what Jackson play. I don't don't. I don't know

998
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: if it was a Giant's Eagles thing today or what

999
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: it was, but it was, again, just what I needed

1000
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 1: to see before lunch, all right. Any Anyway, the point is, yes,

1001
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: I I am eager to see it. I am intrigued

1002
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: by it. So if that's what you're feeling from me

1003
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: in terms of a vibe, you're absolutely correct. But but again,

1004
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: I want to make this very clear. I have great

1005
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: respect for Steve Spagnolo. He is he is one of

1006
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: my favorite next in fact, next to Bill Belichick, him

1007
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: and John Fox are are two of my of my

1008
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: top assistant coaches that I've ever covered. So you know

1009
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm not down on spack sacks again. Lewis, no peril,

1010
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: No the s backs the first time, Oh my goodness,

1011
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Tim Lewis, Tim Lewis that time I knew it was

1012
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: Louis the first thing. Okay, there we go, all right,

1013
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: Charles and South Carolina is our final caller. What's up, Charles? Hey,

1014
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: it's actually Roy, But that's okay, that's okay, Roy what's up? Hey? Um,

1015
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: So I want us to tell Paul, uh Paul that

1016
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that we got some depth because especially

1017
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: on the offense, because you know, Paul, like you, I'm

1018
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: a big fan of when Eli was able to take

1019
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: four minutes on the clock and grind it down over

1020
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: a while we've had I'm sorry, I said, it's been

1021
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: a while since we've seen that, look like two thousand

1022
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: and eight. But the whole time I see we have

1023
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: great hope in being able to with Eli and and

1024
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: some of the depth that we have on the old line.

1025
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: Now on the offense in general, we can take a

1026
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: four minute'clock and not worrying about turning it over with

1027
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: a minute and thirty and that the opponents have two

1028
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: touch two time outs left and they kill us. Yeah,

1029
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: I remember this too. Let's let's not you know, get

1030
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: too far ahead of ourselves with the offensive line. It's better.

1031
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: It might not be right, it might not be lights out,

1032
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: but it is no problem. But it is something that

1033
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: I think will be a work in progress and we'll

1034
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: be better. But I'm not sure if it's going to

1035
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: be a line where you can, you know, play like

1036
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: you know Dallas does or somebody like that, and just

1037
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: pound pound pound to further clarify the formatted offense which

1038
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: disappeared when a mod Bradshaw laughed. At least will now

1039
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: be back in the playbook you've shot it. May it

1040
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: may not be very prominent, but at least it'll be

1041
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: in there again. And by the way, I say, called

1042
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: Barkley is so good, he might be able to do

1043
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: that on his own without a lot of body may

1044
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: be good. Right. The other thing I was going to

1045
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: mention is that the fact that um, I was us

1046
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: into your numbers for Barkley, and I think, um those

1047
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: are all great. But I just and I know Sherman's

1048
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: gonna do this. He's gonna watch the young guy to

1049
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: make sure that when when Barkley goes up against the

1050
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old monster defensive guys, that he doesn't

1051
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: get hurt. That's that's I think that's one of our

1052
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: biggest concerns. Obviously we've seen that injury. Buck heard us

1053
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: so bad. Um yeah, I want to see good production

1054
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: out of Barkeley and everyone that we picked, but I

1055
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: would rather pull them back so that they would stay

1056
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: healthy and that they would have longevity, especially for the

1057
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: whole year. So um, and I think I think Sherman's

1058
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: very intune to that, and I think that Um, especially Gettleman.

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00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm very encouraged. Like Len, I'm very encouraged

1060
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: and optimistic. Um on what what this what this season

1061
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: will look like? I have a prediction, though we are

1062
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: were taking prediction. Okay, so you can put Roy stop

1063
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: in Charleston. Um, we're gonna go. Um, We're gonna have

1064
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: eleven wins, eleven and five. Are you gonna win the division? Yes,

1065
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: we will win the division. Okay, will you playoff game? Yes?

1066
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: I just I just feel it in my bones. A

1067
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: lot of folks would sign up for that right now.

1068
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think yeah, I think I think,

1069
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's it's very optimistic, but I can

1070
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: see I can see with you know, we've got a

1071
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: lot of depth, and I think we're gonna be really

1072
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: careful not to burn everybody out, and we've got a

1073
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: lot of different choices on the offense to move that

1074
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: ball down to the gold line. And and so I

1075
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: think I think we have a really really good chance,

1076
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: pending the fact that everyone's safe healthy. Thank you, Roy,

1077
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: would be great. I've never seen so much optimism after

1078
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: three thirteen seasons. Well, because it's not a typical three

1079
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: and I know they were better than they went from.

1080
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: I want to go over this John, because we were

1081
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: talking about Barkley at the beginning of the show. I

1082
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: think we should end with Barkley conversation. PF had some data.

1083
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: Now you know how I feel about their raw data.

1084
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: They rowed data is very good because they do keep

1085
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: stats and accumulative totals on different things. They're row data.

1086
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,479
Speaker 1: I I have confidence in it's other stuff that needs

1087
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: to be taken into account when you're talking about analysis.

1088
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: But raw data from PF on Kwon Barkley in each

1089
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: of his last two years, he had over seven hundred

1090
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: snaps a piece. At Penn State. They listed the number

1091
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: of snaps he played at running back, the number of

1092
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: snaps he was a slot receiver, the number of snaps

1093
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: he was out wide, and then the number of snaps

1094
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: he was doing something else. I'm guessing that was in motion,

1095
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: could be emotion, could be offset maybe somewhere. I don't

1096
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: think he was aged back much for them to be honest,

1097
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was probably motion. I would imagine that

1098
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: here's my point though, in each of these last two years,

1099
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: when he was well over seven hundred snaps per season

1100
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: with the Nitly Lions, in two thousand sixteen thirty nine

1101
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: snaps he was not lined up as a running back.

1102
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: That's it. Last year only a combined total of fifty

1103
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: one snaps where he was not lined up as a

1104
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: running back, twenty in the slot, four times out wide,

1105
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: seven is other. Again, I'm guessing that's motion, and that's

1106
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: about seven percent of the snaps. To me quick math,

1107
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: that is an exceptionally low number and I would be

1108
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: shocked if Pat Shermer uses him in this fashion. I

1109
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: think the number is going to be dramatically increased in

1110
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: terms of non standard running back formation uh snaps for him.

1111
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: So then you think you we'll get to see a

1112
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: lot of empty sets. I think we will see either

1113
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: sets where he's they're empty. Again, there are lot's gonna

1114
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: depend on how to pass protection asking you anything, and

1115
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: I think I think you'll see some empty sets. But

1116
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: I also have a hunch that you will see a

1117
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: lot of Barkley in motion and a lot in motion.

1118
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean that number is gonna go up a lot.

1119
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: I really believe that He's gonna be a lot in

1120
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: motion because teams will use your motion to decipher if

1121
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: it's gonna be man to man, or if there's gonna

1122
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: be zone coverage, or if there's gonna be a strong

1123
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: side or weak side pressure a lot of times too.

1124
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna see him a lot, him

1125
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: and Beckham. I think you will see both of those

1126
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: guys used more in motion, not the same time obviously,

1127
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: because you can't. This is in Canada. And by the way,

1128
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: we did see some empty sets um from the Giants

1129
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: in their veteran minicamp too, so that is something we

1130
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: did see some of them, and I do and I

1131
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: do think we'll see him some y two on occasion,

1132
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: because really do. Yeah, it was a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: back with you tomorrow and Giants dot Com for another

1134
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: episode of Big Blue Kick goes a lot and I

1135
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: think it's both of us again and then um we're

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Speaker 1: rookie mini caamp cover were John Friday and Lanson Jeff

1137
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: hosts on came Us more Over unders on Your Barkley.

1138
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: We didn't get to a lot of calls today. We

1139
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: had a lot of the good conversation, so hit us

1140
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: up with those numbers again tomorrow or any other ideas

1141
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: and concepts. Hit us up on giants Chat. Maybe you'll

1142
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: give us a topic for a show. We'd love to

1143
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: hear what you think for Paul Latino on John Schmilk.

1144
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Speaker 1: That's Big Blook kick off live for this Wednesday afternoon, Maynight.

1145
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Speaker 1: We'll see tomorrow on gihnants dot com